Charlie Kirk (4:52)

And I will say this, that I think deep down he wants to find what is true. And he's been a big critic of organized religion. And part of my conversation with him was very focused on that.

Megyn Kelly (5:03)

I saw.

Charlie Kirk (5:04)

And it was. We don't see eye to eye on that.

Megyn Kelly (5:06)

You did so well. It was very interesting.

Charlie Kirk (5:08)

Thank you.

Megyn Kelly (5:08)

No, but I love listening to you on that because I always learn something.

Charlie Kirk (5:10)

Thank you. Thank you. And I felt I even had more to add. But on the second part of the conversation, I'll do that with him. But to his credit, he went after the woke stuff. I mentioned this in the discussion as hard as he did other organized religion because the woke stuff turned into a pseudo counterfeit religion. You talked about this, you saw this in your kids schools, you saw this in the community, that it was spreading with almost evangelistic zeal and to his great credit and great personal cost to him, kind of losing his liberal card. He spoke out against that. And I think that tells us a lot about somebody's character.

Megyn Kelly (5:44)

I think Bill Maher is fearless. Like he. Let's not forget why he got canceled the first time. When he was hosting the show Politically Incorrect, you were still in your cradle, but it was right after 9, 11. And he said he wasn't defending the Islamic terrorists, but the question was, were they brave? And Bill said, well, you can't say they're not brave. I mean, it's, it's pretty brave to drive fly planes into the World Trade Center. He in no way meant to compliment or support, you know, the, the Islamic terrorists. He was just making like this sort of, you know, sort of controversial, obviously observation on what they were and what they weren't. Now that, that is a courageous remark to make even by Bill. He's always called it how he's seen it. And even if he gets canceled, the next show comes and he does the same thing and he net net over time, I think he's proven to himself that his audience will stay with him even if he offends them, even if he's not totally lined up with them. They appreciate his honesty and truly, it's overused, but his authenticity. And that's what I love about Bill too. He's. I mean that to a fault. Yes, but we love that about like our side of the aisle loves that. And one other point on the wokeness and you mentioned me and we pulled our kids out of the schools and all that. I was talking with your producer before the show and we were talking about how the young people, like the 18 to 21 year olds are going to be the most conservative generation we've seen in decades. And 100% that is due in part to Charlie Kirk. Everybody watching the show knows that it's one of the reasons you're sent from God. But it's also as much as I love to pat the right on the back, it's also because of those schools. We should pat them on the back too. You know, as the mother of three, well two teenagers now and an 11 year old boy, they are so sick of sitting in, you know, Pride month, Women's history month, Native American month, all the, I mean my 15 year old said why? Why did the gays get a whole month and the veterans only get a day?

Charlie Kirk (7:46)

Smart, smart young man.

Megyn Kelly (7:47)

That's a really good question.

Charlie Kirk (7:48)

Brilliant.

Megyn Kelly (7:49)

But it's driving them, it's just the left is driving them into the arms of the right.

Charlie Kirk (7:54)

And look, I don't know how old your son is, but he also probably asked the question says is there any day for me or any recognition of my existence or am I just the villain? In every possible story in every meta narrative that is presented in academia, it is that the white man is the problem and it is the, the arch villain on the top of the pyramid. And so, so Megan.

Megyn Kelly (8:19)

Yeah please, just to remind you, in the school we pulled them from in New York, which is one of the best schools in the country, private boys school, the final straw for us was they were there was a mandatory reading circulated amongst the faculty and the, the position by the author. This woke leftist black professor at some no name college that was now mandated reading. Was it posited? And I'm quoting here, in every classroom where white children learn there is a future killer cop. This okay, goodbye. I mean that, that's child abuse. That's what that was. And it was the reason that we ultimately pulled the kids. You know, a year earlier when he had been in third grade, they had unleashed the gender madness, asking each boy how sure he was he was a boy. Everybody in the whole third grade class, they had to raise their hands and on a one scale of one to five, how sure are you you're a boy? That's fine. Not at all. Very confused. Most of the kids are just confused of why they're asking these questions. So all of that is terrible and abusive as it is is having exactly the reverse effect of the one the left hoped for.

Charlie Kirk (9:24)

Yeah. And the pendulum is shifting and they don't seem to be adopting and just that that's such a great example. Adapting, I should say. Where from? The pride month, Native American month. It's so within the fibers of our school system. It's within the coding of all higher and lower education. It is turning young men especially to the right in massive numbers. Charlie Kirk here. The spring home buying market is happening right now and if you're getting ready to purchase your first home, welcome to the club. Thousands of millennials and gen zers are doing the exact same thing. With the shortage of inventory, you need to have a game plan. My friends Andrew Del Rey and Tada Vakian at Sierra Pacific Mortgage can help you get ready to get your finances in order with a great home loan ready to go. So when you find that perfect house, you're ready to throw down and make the purchase. They helped me. They're amazing. It was very complicated deal and they were phenomenal to work with. Andrew and Todd are like minded people, experts who know the market. They've been helping people like you and me buy houses for over 40 years. When you call, you'll see they're not a call center. They work with you on a personal level. They handle everything in house so there's no guesswork. Interest rates are coming down. So start now. Don't get left behind. Call Andrew Del Rey and Todd Avakian with Sierra Pacific Mortgage and get ready to be a homeowner. Call 888-8-1172. That's 888-1172. Go online at andrewandtod.com andrewandtod.com There's a new article in the New York Times. Larry David writes, quote my dinner with Adolf, of course making fun of Bill Maher's conversation with and his dinner with president Donald Trump. Now I can't help but think this is the guy who used to make fun of how society would over ascribe the Nazi term too flippantly. Remember of course the episode soup Nazi in Seinfeld or Uncle Leo who'd say oh my toast is burnt. It must be an anti Semite. Larry David has become the monster that he once mocked on Seinfeld. What's going on here? Megan? This is I would say extraordinary but par for the course.

Megyn Kelly (11:37)

Yeah, I mean he's got a long history, unfortunately, of doing this to people. Alan Dershowitz has been railing for years about how Larry David and he saw each other in Martha's Vineyard. And they used to be friends, apparently more than friendly, just actual friends. And he screamed at him. He got in Allen's face because Alan defended Trump on the first impeachment. I mean, Allen's a constitutional lawyer and he defended Bill Clinton on his impeachment. He defends the law irrespective of who's got gotten caught up in it. He defended O.J. simpson, for God's sake. So. But this was a bridge too far for Larry David. And so Bill Maher, who is critical of Trump every episode. He has literally every single episode and says very nasty things. In fact, one of the things Trump was so happy about when I saw him after my Bill Maher appearance was how much I gave it to him. I got right right back in his face because Bill was saying terrible things about Trump when Trump was watching it, thinking, this is very irritating. Every night he's out there. That's not enough for Larry David. You have to hate him in your heart. You have to always telegraph that he's at all.

Charlie Kirk (12:42)

Exactly. Keep going. Yes, that's exactly right.

Megyn Kelly (12:45)

Yes. And so, and then Larry David reportedly, you know, Cheryl Hines, RFKJ's wife, works on that show. She played his wife and now his ex wife on that show. And there were rumors, this is not confirmed by me personally, but there were rumors all over the Hollywood press rags that she was getting blowback when he came out and endorsed Trump and when he first threw his hat into the political ring at all because, you know, wasn't going to hurt Joe Biden or Kamala Harris as when he was running as a Dem, because that could help Trump. And God forbid. And that Cheryl had to be sure to like play it right down the middle, like, oh, that's just my husband, that's not me. Kind of having to disavow her husband because she's on Larry David's show. These people are sick. They're sick. I talk about this all the time. For 17 years I lived on the Upper west side of Manhattan. I did not have a friend who was a conservative. You know, my friends at Fox. Yes. But no one in my neighborhood or from my kids schools, nobody. They were all leftists. If you made politics the stakes of your relationship, you are going to have zero friends. In where I lived on the Upper west, it was just the most convenient place to get my kids into school. And for Me to work at Fox. How. What kind of a freak is like this where you can't privately have your own views, like in the case of Cheryl Hines, or publicly be an one of Trump's chief antagonists, but have one night where you try to see his humanity. That's all. Bill Maher did such a risk that Bill Maher could be co opted, you know, that he actually could, as I said in four years, vote maga that they have to start training him now. He's gotta be beaten and demonized and get the Adolf.

Charlie Kirk (14:19)

I totally agree, but I think Bill Maher's got a little Joe Rogan in him. I think he's gonna, he's gonna only go closer to team reality. I think he's not gonna be bullied. I think the more you antagonize him, he, he kind of says the fu. I get that kind of energy from him. Very similarly where they're going to push him more into our arms. Let's play again. This was Larry David's creation. He used to make fun of the flippant use of Nazi this and Nazi that. Play cut.215.

Megyn Kelly (14:50)

Medium turkey chili, medium crab bisque. I didn't get any bread. Just forget it. Let it go. Excuse me, I think you forgot my bread. Bread. $2 extra. $2. But everyone in front of me got free bread. You want bread? Yes, please. $3. What? No soup for you.

Charlie Kirk (15:26)

And of course it was a comical look at the soup Nazi. And this was the idea that you don't call everyone Adolf. You don't call everyone Hitler. You shouldn't throw. That was kind of the undercurrent that Larry was getting at. But this op ed, I'm reading it, Megan. My Dinner with Adolf and the New York Times ran this trash 45 seconds. Comment on that. This is like a screed that you would find on the dark deep bowels of discord or Reddit.

Megyn Kelly (15:50)

I mean, to his credit, he's sticking with the message that the Democrats were peddling before the election. He's just the only one, right? Barack Obama tried to tell us this. Kamala Harris told us this. All these Dems. Michelle Obama, at least she didn't show up to the Trump inauguration. She stuck by her original accusation too. They all told us he was Hitler and then they're out there glad handing with him showing us that it was all bull. None of them believed it. Now Larry David believes it. He's actually sticking by. I have people I know from NBC who would say to me back then, it defines your entire character. Whether you stood up to Trump or not, he's an existential threat to the country. He is a Hitler esque character. And your whole character is defined by whether you're for or against.

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Megyn Kelly (18:21)

You know, if they were really looking for a poster boy to support one that would work politically, why haven't we heard more about the gay hairdresser? Right? We heard so much. Like, look at there's a gay hairdresser just cutting hair, minding his own business and they shipped him off to this prison in El Salvador. Weird how they haven't gone back to him. Weird how they decided to cash in all their chips on an MS.13 gang member. Something tells me something's off with the gay hairdresser story too, because this appears to be the best they could find. Let me just make something clear. If the Trump administration had sent this guy to Colombia, to North Korea, there would be zero problems. He already had a notice of removal. He already had due process that. To which he's entitled before we deport him. It happened in 2019. He went before an immigration court, and then he went before an appellate immigration court, and they both said, you're out of here. We've seen enough. They discussed the gang ties because they were trying to figure out whether he should be held on bond while they tried to figure out what to do with him. And they said, oh, he's a ms.13 gang member. We're gonna. We're gonna hold him. He should not be roaming while we try to determine this. But they decided, you need to go home, sir. Get out. He said, oh, no, not home, not home. It's dangerous for me there because this other gang wants to kill me. So he said, okay, you don't have to go back to El Salvador, but you do need to get out. And at that point, it was up to him to either get out.

Charlie Kirk (19:43)

My goodness.

Megyn Kelly (19:43)

Or take his chances that he would be plucked out at any moment by any president's ICE team and sent out, including back to El Salvador. If just one thing happened, if the gang that was out to get him, which was a different gang other than Ms. 13, if that threat were eliminated and that threat has been eliminated under this new president there, Bukele, all these gangs have been eliminated. So, okay, at worst, what the Trump administration did here, at worst in the Democrats argument was he didn't have a judge say, okay, that gang is no longer around. Gavel clicked, get out. That's literally all this guy would be entitled to. That's it. But it's so much worse than that. All right, so, yes, and I agree this is a terrible, terrible political thing for the Democrats are so dumb. Wife abuser and ms.13 gang member. They never tell you he was caught with two other MS.13 gang members. I mean, I'm not like a gang expert, but all the gang experts I read about on online tell you, Ms. 13, it doesn't hang around with the Charlie Kirks of the world. If you wanted to go up on the street corner, Charlie, and just like, shoot the, you know, no. It would be a no. You'd have to prove it. His Chicago. He was just wearing a Chicago Bulls sweatshirt. That's it. Like that was just totally out of context. Yet he was wearing MS.13 gang colors as they all do. They wear those same red and black colors. Chicago Bulls sweatshirt in this context is very common. And had the tats and was with two MS.13 members and had testimony by a confidential informant saying he was Ms. 13 and this is the rank he held and this is the nickname. All of which is irrelevant. We don't care. We don't have to prove he's a gang member at all. It's totally irrelevant. It's only relevant to the public fight over whether the Democrats should be defending this guy. But he's gone. He's already been adjudicated. Removable. The only problem is we didn't remove him. And then when we did, we technically weren't supposed to remove him to El Salvador without saying that that threatening gang, which by the way sounded like total bull anyway, but let's just pretend it was real, had gone away. So that's him. Here's the bigger problem. We had 10 million illegals in this country according to like CPB back in 2020. Back in 2020. And they always underestimate it a little. But according to CPB, we had over 8 million come in under Trump. Not. Sorry, under Biden. Not under Trump. Under Biden. The four years of Biden. So now we're at some 18 million rounded up to 20. Just so it's an easy number. 20 million illegals in this country. We just saw the latest numbers on the Harry Anton data drop. Analyzing all the polls, 56% of Americans, this is cross parties want all illegals gone. All. Not some, not just the most dangerous. All. We've got about 500,000 who committed additional crimes when they were here. So Tom Holman has said we're starting with the worst first. Those 500,000 are our number one priority. Everyone can agree on those. And yet what have we seen from day one? Obstruction, lawfare, PR wars by these Dems trying to stop even just the 500,000. And by the way, he's only on like 22 to 25,000. Trump is. He's only gotten about 22,000 of them out so far. Tom Homan and he's doing his level best, but he's being fought by sanctuary city mayors, by the aclu, by woke leftist court judges. He's. He doesn't have enough money. He's begging for more money. So that we can house them because he's running out of jail space to put the ones he has caught. So he's been hampered and fighting with his hand tied behind his back from the start. But they're going truly for worst of the worst. We're doing criminal gang members from Ms. 13 and Trenda Iragua and the ACLU is pretending like Joe Biden's daughter Ashley just got deported on each one of these. So it's a massive war that Trump has taken on here. And you know, it goes without saying, but every single one of these guys came into this country and many committed additional crimes without any of us getting due process. Lake and Riley had no due process. Jocelyn Ngaro, 12 year old girl killed at the border in Texas by Trenda Aragua members. No due process for her. No one even asked a single question about whether she could go on living. But these guys get all the due process in the world and each one gets his own. Aclu, district court fight, appeals court fight, Supreme Court fight. And now culminating in overnight on Friday, the Supreme Court halts all deportations under the Alien Enemies act until further notice. Just none.

Charlie Kirk (24:02)

And so none. So, yeah, let's be clear about that. So the Supreme Court has paused the use of the Alien Enemies act, is that correct? And so, yes, to deport people. But is that going to be heard in greater length and decided upon hopefully this summer session?

Megyn Kelly (24:18)

Yes, yes, that will be decided. That's not yet been finally adjudicated on the merits, but it's just yet another hampering of what Trump's trying to do. And they appealed it from the, from the lower court, the circuit court of appeals, before it had even been fully briefed, before they even had had a ruling from that court, they brought it up to the Supreme Court saying, we think that he's going to deport more. We need you to weigh in immediately. And without briefing, without anything, the Supreme Court's like, you're right. Okay, hold everything. Which was not, not the right thing to do. I mean, it's. Somebody tweeted this out the other day and I totally agree. If you are a Trump appointed justice or even just a so called conservative justice on the high court and you find yourself on the wrong side of Alito and Thomas, you've decided the case wrong, you're doing it wrong. Those two are the most conservative stalwarts. The Trump justices so far haven't been that dependable. I got to be honest, these are not our best. You got to go back further and get the most Conservative. And by the way, they're not getting any younger, Alito and Thomas. So it's somewhat disturbing in any event. So he, he lost that fight for now. The problem is he can use other methods, but they all clearly require a level of notice, an opportunity to claim asylum, like immediate removal, expedited removal, which is what you know when they say, oh, Biden deported 450,000 illegals. Biden really? No, that's not what he was doing. He was turning them away at the border. That's the very limited border enforcement he did. He let in over 8 million. Okay, that's a minimum he let in. But some half a million got turned away at the border because they must have been like breathing fire to get turned around under Biden. In any event, you can do that with expedited removal and you really don't have to provide any due process. Unless they're claiming asylum, you don't have to give them any due process. Well, Trump enlarged expedited removal to the whole US saying I can remove you from anywhere under this procedure. But if they claim asylum, they get a notice, they get a hearing, they get the chance to plead, oh poor me, poor me. So he switched to Alien Enemies act to try to expedite the process to get these people out of here. The clock is ticking. You know, he, he, he's thinking I have a hundred days, maybe two years at the outset, and then the House is going to come in to enact my agenda in this department. If we're really lucky, he has four years. But we've got, what do we, we have about 11,000 removed per month. We are not going to get rid of even a million at this rate, never mind 18 million despite the fact that the majority of Americans want it. So Trump is trying to find ways to put the pedal to the metal. Use the Alien Enemies act, then they can't claim asylum. Very minimal due process, kind of if any. And at every turn the aclu, which has declared itself co president, is shutting it down thanks to the help of these leftist judges.

Charlie Kirk (26:58)

Declared themselves co president is a phenomenal way to put it. And was it even in our founders intent, in your belief, your legal opinion, that a district court judge can issue a nationwide injunction? Shouldn't this be focused where. Okay, if you want to do an injunction, have it pertain to your district or even your circuit, not what happens in Maryland. Needs to pertain all the way from Guam to Seattle to Dallas where they can enjoin the whole nation. All it takes is one Trump hating judge to Slow down. What the people voted for. That is not quote, unquote, democracy.

Megyn Kelly (27:34)

Megan, My view on that is, look, it's worked on our side too. That's how we shut down Title ix. Joe Biden's changes to Title IX under his presidency. And I was all for it, totally all for it. But what needs to happen now, as the high court, the Supreme Court, can see that this is clearly being used as a tool to stop the entire political agenda. The democratically voted for agenda is they need to act quickly and more judiciously on all the cases coming up before them, not just the ones that the ACLU say are emergencies, because Trenda, Aragua and MS.13 members are about to be shipped off to El Salvador. That that'll get him out of bed. How about some of the Trump requests to enlarge his powers or to recognize his valid powers under, for example, the Alien Enemies act or to act more swiftly, those they slow roll on, those they want, full briefing on, those they really want to kick around for a while. So what the Supreme Court needs to do, I think is issue a powerful order very soon on the merits, especially on Alien, Alien Enemies act. We already have an opinion on the books. It was passed in 1798. On the books in the late 1940s is a supreme Court opinion saying this statute is barely reviewable. Like we really. This is clear that the founders didn't want judges to second guess a president saying we're in a war and these people have invaded us and or these people have invaded us or conducted an incursion and they need to be thrown out. They did not think that because it's called a political question which judges cannot decide under our Constitution, they did not think judges should be having the final say on those. So they created very limited ways to review things done under that act. And the sooner the Supreme Court gives a serious brush back to lower courts on the merits of that thing, the better off Trump will be.

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Megyn Kelly (31:08)

We're making massive progress. And yes, we're winning. I won't say we have won that it's over. It's not over, but we are definitely winning. We are light years ahead of where we were even just three years ago. You saw last week, the UK's top court ruled only a woman is a woman, not a man pretending to be a woman. Sorry. I mean, that's huge in the uk. They're more woke than we are. So that was a big, that was a big moment. And by the way, hat tip to people like J.K. rowling, without whom it wouldn't have happened. You know, you do need these strong. And it's, it's helpful, I think, if it's a woman, but strong female characters to stand up and say, no, what we're arguing over is men invading women's spaces. The, the leftist pro trans crowd would like you to forget the fact that we're arguing over men. Men trying to argue women's spaces. They want us to see a dress and like a Dylan Mulvaney Adam's apple shaving and just say, that's the same as me. And that's not the same as me. Just ask Riley Gaines who had to get naked in front of a fully intact Leah Thomas formally will with his penis hanging out in her locker room. While you know he was clearly. You look at his social media, it's very clear. Go read the Daily Wires report that this guy's an autogynephile. Meaning he gets off 100 sexual that is fetish.

Charlie Kirk (32:26)

That is a vast majority of men to female masquerading as autogynephilia. Please continue.

Megyn Kelly (32:31)

Who wants their daughter or to themselves be a part of some strange man's sexual fetish? I don't want to be there when the guy's want to be carried around like a baby in a diaper. I don't want to be there when they want to get whipped in chains with the S and M. I don't want to be there when they're having their autogynephilia. Philia fulfilled with hard ons in the women's locker room. When I'm trying to get ready for my swim meet or my daughter's trying to get ready for her soccer game. It's grossly inappropriate. Look at that guy in Canada. That shop teacher Kayla Lemieux with the enormous fake breasts. He tried to claim that he grew them. That he actually has some male conditioner that forced them to grow. And our friends up north in the evil top hat as Michael Knowles refers to it, allowed it. They allowed this guy to wear. They allowed this 50 year old to swim against 12 year old girls and change in their locker rooms. It's gone too far. The girl in Massachusetts who had all of her teeth knocked out by a boy pretending to be a girl playing girls field hockey. You know the thing that never happens according to Megan Rapinoe. Tell it to the girl who now has no teeth and all of the girls on her on her field hockey team who had to watch it and broke down screaming in horror. You know how much blood and bone came out of that girl's face on the field hockey field? And they had to keep playing against this guy who was taller than all of them and stronger than all of them but said he was a girl and grew his hair a little long. So we had to pretend. You just have to reframe the debate into actual facts and then we win. And, and I've said this before. We cannot cede the language at all. We can, believe me. I started. I was saying all the preferred pronouns. I thought it was mean not to. I didn't want to be rude. I Couldn't imagine myself looking at somebody like a Caitlyn Jenner, who's been kind of on our side even on these issues and being disrespectful enough to look at Caitlyn and say he, well, I can do it. And I actually believe Caitlin would be okay with it because he understands what we're arguing for here. You can't win a debate about her not being allowed to come into the locker room that she shouldn't be able to play on girls sports, you've already lost. You've ceded the language at the top. So we have to maintain our factual adherence. And by the way, it applies to your children, too. You know, I've told all my kids, if anybody ever tries to make you say your pronouns, you just tell them you're not comfortable with that language. You're not going to talk about yourself like that, period.

Charlie Kirk (35:03)

That's right.

Megyn Kelly (35:04)

Don't let them suck you in or your kids in, especially at the college level, because it really is a slippery slope. And not only do we not need to get sucked down, but we need to telegraph to everybody else, this is dangerous. And actually it's, it's really disgusting. And I know, Charlie, the thing to say, the thing to say, the proper thing to say is I don't care what you do in your, in your, you know, private life. Well, I do care. I actually do have an issue. Women are not a dress, they're not a costume. And I don't appreciate looking at somebody pretending they're me with their.

Charlie Kirk (35:33)

You can't approach womanhood. Megan, God bless you. Thanks so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomcharliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

Megyn Kelly (35:44)

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