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Charlie Kirk
Hey everybody. Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. What should we think about the Jeffrey Epstein situation? Liz Wheeler and Mike Davis join us for two a little bit different views. And I Want your thoughts freedomarliekirk.com as we have a comprehensive conversation. All the Epstein stuff. Okay, everybody. It is the event of the summer coming up in Tampa, Florida. It's an event unlike any other. It is our student action Summit. All ages are welcome. It's sas2025.com we have Pete Hegseth coming, Kristi Noem, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Donald Trump Jr. Steve Bannon, Greg Gutfeld, Laura Ingram, Ross Ulbricht, Byron Donalds, Tom Homan, Ben Carson, Brett Cooper, Michael Knowles, Brandon Tatum, Benny Johnson, Jack Posobec, riley gaines, james o' keefe and more. That is sas2025.com youm can find your future wife, your future husband, your future soulmate, a future, future job and a career. Go to sas2025.com that is sas2025.com for this game changing, life changing event. So take a look at it right now at sas2025.com sas2025 com email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com, buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Liz Wheeler
Hi, Charlie. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah. This has been an unforced error due to choices that Attorney General Pam Bondi has made. And listen, let's go back to that day in February at the White House for a second. I was among those who was invited to the White House that day and given those infamous white Epstein binders. That's actually not why we were invited to the White House. We were invited a really cool initiative from the White House. They invited a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists, and they told us, listen, we're not going to be rewarding the mainstream media who are just propagandists for the opposition who lie and smear and try to take down President Trump. Instead, we're going to be giving access to you independent truth seekers who are actually committed to reporting honestly. And that's what we spent the day doing. We spent the day meeting with high level Trump administration officials, with the President himself, the Vice President, his Cabinet secretaries, and it was a, it was an incredible experience. During that visit, we met with Attorney General Pam Bondi for about 15 minutes. And as part of that visit or as part of that meeting, she gave us those Epstein binders. And of course, our first reaction, I mean, you look at that cover sheet and you think, wow, the most transparent administration in history. That's what the COVID sheet said. Epstein files, phase one. We were all like, oh, my goodness, what is this? Well, the Attorney General made it very clear up front that, you know, this binder does not contain the juicy dirty details that we might have expected. She said, actually, when I got into office, I requested the Epstein files and this is what was put on my desk by the FBI. And I thought, huh, that seems strange. That doesn't seem like the complete Epstein files. So she said she was going to release those documents anyway, even though there was nothing new in them. When a whistleblower called her and said, actually, the SDNY is hiding truckloads of documents from you, subverting the President, subverting the Attorney General, subverting the American people. And so she gave us, at that time at the White House, in that meeting, she gave us the letter she had written to Cash Patel, the Director of the FBI, demanding that those documents that the SDNY was allegedly hiding be delivered to her so that she could release them to the American people. And so that, of course, I mean, everyone remembered that infamous day in February when those photos emerged of us carrying those binders. And I think I was on your show shortly thereafter explaining, you know, there was a botched embargo that day where photos of us holding those binders leaked. But we had agreed with the White House that we wouldn't break the story of the SDNY hiding those documents until after President Trump had met with the UK Prime Minister. But since those photos leaked, it ended up appearing bad optics, like we were gatekeeping and engaging in clickbait. And it was a really nasty situation from a PR standpoint. But one of the things that I haven't talked about until this week, and the reason I haven't talked about it I'll detail in a moment, is during that meeting with the Attorney General at the White House, she actually bragged about creating that cover sheet. You can see the binder that's on the screen. She said she made that. She made that paper that said the most transparent administration in history. And she was proud of this, Charlie. She was proud of making that document. So we fast forward to Sunday evening when the Department of Justice posts this memo that says, actually, there's no Epstein client list. There's no blackmail operation. Epstein definitively killed himself. There's no homicide or foul play involved here, and you're not getting any more of these documents. And I think the collective feeling of many of President Trump's base is, what? What are you talking about? The Attorney General was on Fox News just a couple months ago saying, the client list is on my desk for review. She then, you know, gave us this. This. Not just the Epstein binder, but the. The letter to Cash Patel saying that there are more, there are more documents, truckloads of the really dirty, juicy stuff, photos and lists and all of this. And it suddenly became very hard to square her behavior and her actions that day in the White House, the day she gave us those binders with this memo that she received from the American people. And the reason that the American people are having such a visceral reaction to this, the reason that people are so angry, is because we voted for justice. When we voted for President Trump, we voted for, not just memory holding, the abuse that was inflicted on us by the Joe Biden administration, by the deep state swamp creatures in the FBI, who called parents domestic terrorists because we didn't want our kids learning about the transgender ideology in school. You know, the FBI that arrested people because we dared to say, hey, something fishy happened during President Trump's 2020 presidential election, or we don't want the transgender ideology and critical race theory being indoctrinated. Something was weird about the origin of COVID We were vilified and demonized, and the Government was weaponized against us and we voted for President Trump because he promised justice. And this does not seem like justice, what it feels like to the American people. It feels like we have this evidence, these anomalies when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and what appears to be a government cover up. We have this evidence before our eyes, and then we're being told by government officials, some of whom we like, some of whom we trust, but nonetheless, we're being told by government officials that we should discount and ignore what we're seeing with our own eyes and instead believe them. And they're telling us things that contradict the evidence that we've seen. And people, people don't like that. People don't, don't want to be told by government officials, ignore what you're seeing and believe us, even though we're not providing you any evidence to substantiate our positions. The simple fact of the matter is Pam Bondi said she had the client list on her desk and she promised to release it and then she didn't do it. And that's problematic. People don't like when politicians promise transparency and then don't deliver.
Charlie Kirk
So the audience and the base is right on par with you. They're following your tempo. So then I have multiple questions. Let me just ask you this one. What could make this right, in your estimation?
Liz Wheeler
Yeah, that's a good question. Because a couple of things could make this right. First of all, I think the American people voted for President Trump because we trust that he does deliver on his promises. He's always delivered on his promises, and we know he's going to keep doing that. So we expect justice to be served and justice for Covid. The origin of COVID and the, the lies we were told about the COVID vaccines and the lockdowns. We want justice for January 6th and the pipe bomber. We want justice for the Russiagate lies that were inflicted upon President Trump and his supporters early on in the first Trump administration. We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment. We want. There's something that we often say on, on my show, on the Liz Wheeler show. We say we want perp walks and jumpsuits. Not because we're vindictive, not because we want revenge, not because we want to target our political enemies, but because true justice means accountability for the people who committed crimes against us. And in order to have accountability, there needs to be indictments, there needs to be perp walks and jumpsuits. So job number one to make this right is just show us that you're committed to delivering the justice that we voted for. And to be honest, this should be somewhat easy because there were a lot of crimes that were committed against us. And I know President Trump feels those crimes deeply because he was often standing between us and those who were trying to assault him because they're trying to assault us.
Charlie Kirk
So this thing, number one, really quick. No, no, no, that's great. I want you to finish that thought, but I have to interject. Can you add some detail or just some contextualization? Because some people that I. Not a lot, not necessarily in our primary audience because this actually transcends generational lines in our primary audience, but I'd say in the non political audience, some people say no one really cares about Epstein. Can you just contextualize how big of a Internet deal this is specifically for those under the age of 40?
Liz Wheeler
Yeah, it is a big deal. I've seen a narrative on X specifically an allegation that it's only, it's only mega on X that cares about this. It's not real world mega that cares about this. And I, I believe that that's a misreading of President Trump's base here and the reason why there's this story that I love. Country singer John Rich once said that he was having dinner with President Trump and President Trump asked him, listen, why do people boo at my rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine? And then he listened while John Rich told him, because, Mr. President, people have been hurt by the jab. And this is another one of those moments. The reason people care so deeply about Epstein and the Epstein files is not actually because they care about Epstein the creep or Epstein the man. It's because they care about justice, because, because people have been hurt by the deep state. And, and we view the Epstein files as, as foundational. It's a, it's a litmus test. It's a canary in the coal mine of whether we are actually going to get justice this time or whether it's going to be another lock her up. But then Hillary Clinton doesn't actually go to jail again. And people feel this very, very deeply. And not just online. This is, this is across generations. Actually. It's not just young people and it is certainly not just online.
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Liz Wheeler
Yeah. Well, let me start with the first question and I'll tell you some of the things that my audience who are pretty representative of the base care about when they look at the Epstein case itself. There are some anomalies in Epstein's brother, Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark, after Jeffrey Epstein's death, hired an outside forensic pathologist to examine the autopsy and they. Michael Baden was his name and he found that all of the signs, the physical signs on Jeffrey Epstein's body were not consistent with what we had been told by the Bureau of Prisons, what we have been told by the government. In fact, Michael Baden found that it. The wounds on his body were more consistent with homicide by strangulation than by suicide. And this was not just an individual independent pathologist who. Who came to this conclusion. We had a toxicologist on the Liz Wheeler show as well named Chris Martinson who did a very detailed and thorough analysis of Epstein's bodies. The. Of Epstein's body, the photos that were released and showed that, you know, the marks of the ligature on his neck were not consistent with the type of hanging that we were supposed to believe Epstein committed. Against himself in addition to the broken hyoid bone and a lot of other physical anomalies. And people want answers to that. They don't want a government official to just say, actually, no, we think it's suicide. I've seen a million suicides. That's what it is. We want answers to, okay, but are you going to address these anomalies from these subject matter experts? That's just one example. Another example would be ABC's Amy Robach. This was a video that was released by Project Veritas a couple years ago. She was on set but recorded off air. You know, the typical hot, hot set situation here. And she was talking about how she had information that incriminated Prince Andrew and Epstein and Bill Clinton. But ABC wouldn't let her air this report, which she said was a very thorough report, because they didn't want to anger the Palace. The palace had threatened them that they wouldn't have access to interview Will and Kate. If ABC aired this, this investigation by Amy Robach about Epstein and implicated Prince Andrew in it, why would the palace respond like that? If this was total malarkey, why would they, why would they threaten access? Why would they do what they've done to Prince Andrew if there was nothing there, if he wasn't a client of Jeffrey Epstein? We don't want that to be dismissed. We want that to be addressed. I think a lot of us in the base are truth seekers. We're open minded. It's not like we have a preconceived conclusion about everything regarding Jeffrey Epstein. We simply don't have enough information to have a preconceived conclusion. But we're smart people and we see anomalies and we see that they, the evidence that's before our eyes doesn't add up to what the politicians are telling us. And they're not providing evidence to substantiate their point of view or debunk the evidence that's before our eyes. So those are just two examples among many that the base looks at and says, well, your, your memo didn't address any of these things that we see regarding why this is so important. The second part of your question, why this is so important to the base. I'll go back to what I said before. President Trump typically reads his base so well. It's one of my favorite parts of President Trump is he's very confident and he knows what he thinks, but he's also willing to listen to why the base cares. And there's an old phrase that says once burned twice shy and it's obviously self evident that it means once you've been wronged, you are doubly skeptical of being wronged again. And the mega base, those of us again, who have been censored on social media, banned, vilified, unfairly, falsely called, racist, targeted by the FBI, if we were traditional Catholics attending Latin Mass or pro lifers exercising our first amendment right outside of abortion clinics, or going and peacefully protesting around the Capitol on January 6th because we know why what happened in the 2020 election, or saying we don't want transgender ideology in our schools and we don't want critical race theory in our government because it's racist. We have been targeted and vilified and we know that it happened because of this group of deep state swamp creatures embedded in the federal government, in these intel agencies. Look at Russiagate. Russiagate came from the bowels of the FBI. We do not have trust in the FBI. We do not have trust in the CIA. We do not have trust. Look at what President Trump was able to uncover through doging US Aid. All of this corrupt, just disgusting use of our taxpayer money, funding leftist causes. So the reason that people are so viscerally stung by being dismissed over the Epstein files is because we don't feel that we're being told the truth. And it's sort of the same not to, not to malignant a fellow fighter in the conservative cause. But that's why people reacted so strongly to the daily wire drama a couple months ago, because for a second they felt that they were not being told the truth. They felt like the authenticity in that relationship had been tarnished. And that's what they're feeling now. President Trump can fix this easily.
Charlie Kirk
How do you think, in your estimation, this can be made right?
Liz Wheeler
Yeah. As I was saying, President Trump knows his base and respects his base. I always say he's a pro humanity president because even though he doesn't always, I mean, he's, he's successful, he's wealthy, he's experienced so many aspects of life in business and in politics, yet he cares about the McDonald's employees and you know, those driving garbage trucks, just like he displayed very genuinely during the campaign. He cares about us. And so he can fix this because it's an unforced error. Right. This was not something that had to happen. Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, didn't have to say she had the client list on her desk. She didn't have to say that the, the binders were the most, the phase one of the most transparent administration in history. She didn't have to give those to us. She didn't have to release them. She didn't have to make the claim about the SDNY before she'd looked at those documents. Charlie, I asked her that day in the White House, have you seen the documents that this alleged whistleblower is telling you that the SDNY is hiding from you? And she said, no, she hadn't seen them. So she was making this announcement before verifying any of this, which was a red flag to me at the time. But listen, I'm. I give the benefit of the doubt to people on my side. I thought, okay, maybe she'll deliver. Maybe she was getting a little out over her skis on this. But it's not hard to believe that the SDNY was stonewalling the president. It's not hard to believe that the FBI would hide evidence or even destroy evidence. And yet it's hard to square that behavior, even after giving her the benefit of the doubt for three months. When we see a document put on the DOJ website, like that memo that just says definitively, no list, no blackmail, he killed himself, and you're not getting any other information. She's a liability to the Trump administration. It's costing him tremendous goodwill among his base. And I say this sorrowfully because there's a lot of things Pam Bondi's done that I like and that I agree with, but it's time to not allow her to have this be something that tarnishes President Trump's legacy in office. It's time to move on from her.
Charlie Kirk
Are. Are you calling for her resignation? Is that right?
Liz Wheeler
Yes. I believe President Trump should give her the option to resign because she didn't tell the truth to the American people. It's the right thing to do.
Charlie Kirk
A lot of people in the audience feel that way, Liz, and I know you were personally wrong. I want everyone to understand this, that you were personally basically humiliated. I mean, Jack Posobiek is in the same category, and so I hope that that is internalized. Liz, thanks so much.
Liz Wheeler
Thanks, Charlie. I appreciate it.
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Mike Davis
Yeah. And I get that what Jeffrey Epstein did was monstrous. He abused children and he abused children systematically across many years. And I'm glad this monster is rotting in hell. And I don't say that lightly. Right. And so there is evidence that a lot of high powerful, high power people, very powerful people went to his island, maybe Bill Clinton, maybe others. And what Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and the Attorney General Pam Bondi inherited was a mess. And they came out and they tried to, they said that they're going to try to get to the bottom of this. They're going to be as transparent as they can. And I think they have. I mean, let me just tell you what they've done. The FBI under Cash Patel and Dan Bongino has looked at this very carefully. Over the last many months, they've looked at all of the evidence that the FBI has and what they've concluded is that they don't have the evidence to support the theories that were out there in the past. There's just no evidence to support it. And they've, they've tried to investigate this. And the problem is, is that, you know, the evidence that they have, they can't disclose because it's child pornography. And they can't put that out there. They legally cannot put that out there. They morally and ethically cannot put that out there because there are victims, there are child victims with, with these videos of this child pornography. There are not videos of high powerful, of the faces of high power, high power men raping children that those videos simply do not exist. The videos are of child pornography according to every report I've, I've heard from inside the Justice Department along with the news reports. And so it is very frustrating, it is very frustrating that we do not, that we, we cannot bring charges against these powerful monstrous men who raped children. The issue is, is they don't have the evidence.
Charlie Kirk
So I don't want to spend too much time on this. But let me just ask one final, one final question here. People are, and I don't have an answer. That's why I said I'm profoundly confused. What then was Maxwell, why is she in jail if the underlying evidence is not able to be released?
Mike Davis
I hear you. She should be in prison. And I think the problem is that she has kept her mouth shut. She has not revealed who these men were who came in with Jeffrey Epstein and raped these young girls, these kids. And so that's the issue. Look, everyone knows that horrible things happened with Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone knows this. We know that powerful men were doing this. The issue is they don't have the evidence to charge people right now.
Charlie Kirk
So Mike, now let's go to some of the more let's just say playing offense news. Mike, Yesterday Cash Patel or the FBI announced ongoing probes for Mr. Brennan and who else. What is the significance of this and will we finally see justice for what this gang of criminals that against our country?
Mike Davis
Well, you know, Charlie, we've been talking about this on your show for many years going back to the unprecedented unlawful home raid on the the office of former president Donald Trump to get back crossfire hurricane records and. Right, and this is, we're finally opening the investigation to go after these bad actors who lied to the FISA courts. They made up the Russian collusion hoax with the Steele dossier. They lied to the FISA court that got illegal spy warrants and they used this to take out President Trump his, his presidential campaign in 2016. This is an ongoing criminal conspiracy. They continue to lie. They continue to cover up. And if this investigation goes where it should go, justice is definitely coming. There is ev. There is, there is evidence that the most senior Obama administration officials participated in Crossfire Hurricane. This the biggest scandal in American history were the Obama White House, including President Obama himself, according to the evidence, politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to go after then candidate Donald Trump to take him out. In my theory has been for years that they did this because Hillary Clinton got caught with her illegal home server, not only with our nation's most classified secrets as the Secretary of State, but of the Clinton foundation pay for play foreign bribery schemes. She's taken money into the Clinton foundation to underwrite her lavish lifestyle for the Clintons. In return, they, they may have been doing official acts when she was the Secretary of State. They made up the Russian collusion hoax because they were afraid this was going to come out before the 2016 election and they didn't think that Trump was going to win. They thought they would run this Russian collusion hoax. It would, they could say that when, when her Clinton foundation pay for blade, pay for play foreign bribery scheme came out, they could say it was a Russian disinformation campaign and you have to ignore it. And the intel agencies and the FBI and the Justice Department were and the Obama White House were in on this. Look, this is again, this is the biggest scandal in American history. They, they politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to take out a presidential candidate and a sitting President of the United States. They did a home raid on him after President Trump left office because he declassified Crossfire Hurricane and they did the homebrew to go get those documents. Justice is coming.
Charlie Kirk
So, so Mike, two questions. Do the statute of limitations apply to a conspiracy charge and how do we navigate the D.C. jury?
Mike Davis
Yeah, it's, it's an ongoing conspiracy and the statute of limitations doesn't start ticking until the last overt acts. People have to disavow the conspiracy. Otherwise it is an ongoing criminal conspiracy. And you can charge for this ongoing criminal conspiracy. There may also be perjury involved. That's within that, that happened within the last five years. Maybe Clapper perjured himself. Maybe, just maybe. And so this is very much according to news reports, including According to fox news.com this is very much an active criminal probe. A criminal investigation. And as I've said to these officials for years, you better lawyer up because justice is coming.
Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so the D.C. jury, I mean, is there a way that we could get this in Virginia? Is there a way that we can get this in another jurisdiction?
Mike Davis
Well, remember that Mar A Lago is in the Southern District of Florida. And that was one of the overt acts in the criminal conspiracy was when they raided Mar A Lago, the office of former president, to get back the Crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via executive order the day before he left office. That, that, that was absolutely why they went into Mar A Lago. They didn't care about so called classified records or espionage. The, the office of former president is allowed to have those. That's why Congress gives them federally funding, federal funding for security clearances and skiffs and staff. They're allowed, the president is allowed to see his presidential records under the Presidential Records act. Whether they're classified or not in a presidential record is any document created or received by the president or his White House staff to advise them. And that's exactly what those crossfire hurricane records were. They were declassified presidential records that President Trump was allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act. And the Mar A Lago raid was to get back those records because Obama, Biden, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, so many other Comey, so many other officials have their fingerprints on this. There, there is evidence, we, we've pointed to this evidence where they green, they greenlit the Crossfire hurricane investigation in the Oval Office several days before President Trump was going to take office. This, this is again the biggest scandal in American history. And justice is coming and it's going to come, you know, eight years later, but justice is coming.
Charlie Kirk
One minute remaining. Mike, what other indictments and investigations do you want to start seeing from the FBI and the Department of Justice? One minute remaining.
Mike Davis
Well, I'd say this, I think the Senate needs to start confirming these US Attorneys because you can't.
Charlie Kirk
That's a big one. You're right. I just, I learned that this weekend that we still have dozens of US Attorneys that are not filled in slots like Denver. I mean, we still have Biden holdovers that we're trying to get rid of. Mike, continue. Yeah.
Mike Davis
Jason Redding quinones is the U.S. the nominee for U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida. He got out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He is sitting on the Senate floor. I don't understand why they won't file closure and have two hours of debate and confirm Jason Redding Quinones immediately so we can get moving on this Crossfire hurricane investigation.
Charlie Kirk
I'm actually tweeting right now because you're right. The U.S. senate needs to work weekends and confirm all of Trump's U.S. attorneys. This is ridiculous. I've heard this from three or four people. How many are there that the backlog do you. Do we know of.
Mike Davis
There's a ton. I don't think we've confirmed any U.S. attorneys. And here's the problem. Law resistance cannot resist long weekends. And so if these Senate Democrats want to block these U.S. attorneys, make them work past 2pm on Thursday. It's amazing how many people you can confirm by merely threatening to make.
Charlie Kirk
No, no, no, no, you don't understand. No, no, you don't understand. No, no, you don't understand. Lindsey Graham needs to leave every Tuesday at 2:00pm he's the worst, by the way. He's like the worst offender. I've done all the research on this Lindsey Graham. Every Thursday, he's like, I'm out. And all of a sudden they're like, well, you know, Mr. Graham had to leave, so we'll be back on to. Just so you understand, the scope of work for the US Senate is they start working Tuesday afternoon and they stop working Thursday afternoon. It's literally two days. That's the life of a US Senator. Mike Davis, thank you so much. Private student loan debt in America totals over $300 billion. About 45 billion of that is labeled as distressed. Why Refi refinances distressed or defaulted private student loans that others will not touch. Why Refi can reduce your monthly payment and guarantees interest rates under 6%, ensuring affordability and financial relief. 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But enough, okay, this hole that we're going to arrive on Tuesday afternoon and we're gonna leave on Thursday afternoon when Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees. Do you know Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees. Hundreds ambassadorships, U.S. attorneys. We have people that are very important mid level positions at Department of Justice, at Department of Labor. It is unacceptable to take a quarter of an entire presidential term to staff the president's picks. And John Thune, we're looking at you, John Thune, generally I think you've been doing a good job. But now enough. We have to get the big beautiful bill. Well, you passed it and these senators, we're going to start melting fold lines. We expect a vote. Arama, do you know you can do concurrent nominations? If we do not have every single one of Trump's nominees by Labor Day, we're gonna have serious problems. And by the way, Lindsey Graham, we're talking to you. That's Lindsey Graham. Why Andre Bauer, one of the guys that's running up against you in the primary in South Carolina, is coming to the Student Action Summit. This is why we're behind Nate Morris in Kentucky. We at Turning Point Action. We are going to be the vanguard. We are going to be the tip of the spear for, for replacing bad Republican senators. And Lindsey Graham is the worst offender of the Senate work week. I don't know what he does for this time. What is Lindsey Graham doing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday? Is he probably. Honestly, I think we know what he's doing. He's planning for another war is what he's doing. How do I try to get us for regime change? Look, the audience is ticked off and you should be President Donald Trump is working his tail off. And by the way, we do not have US Attorneys in a lot of these places. We have acting. Do you notice if you ever watch Fox News and I got a great relationship with Fox News, do you ever notice when you watch Fox News, do you look at the titles of their guests? Acting U.S. attorney. Acting U.S. attorney. Acting U.S. attorney. Do you know what that means? That means that the Senate has not lifted a finger to confirm them. Acting ICE Director. Acting U.S. attorney. Acting. Acting. Acting. Acting. Acting. And at some point we have to start to power through the U.S. senate. We need to really have a We need to have a come to truth moment, a come to Jesus moment. They have to do a vote. A enough of this. I'm only going to work two days. 1/4 of Trump's presidency is going to be taken from us. I know great people that are still not US Ambassadors to very important countries, places where we need a representative. And guess what? You know what happens when we don't have a US Ambassador to these countries? Some career Biden holdover is representing America. And in that country, in countries like Switzerland, in countries like Italy. Now, finally, some of those are getting through. Tilman Fertitta is getting through. Charlie Kushner is getting through. But still, there's major countries without US Ambassadors, major countries. And this is how the Unipart Party operates. I said this on Jesse Waters program recently. They operate by running out the clock. And it's time for the U.S. senate to get off their tail or else the grassroots is gonna roar. Oh, I wonder why the midterms were not as well as one of them. They because you guys do not work nearly as hard as your constituents do. They wanted us to feel sorry for them. Well, we pulled an all nighter for the big beautiful bill. Really? You pulled an all nighter? I know three dozen moms in Peoria, Arizona that pulled an all nighter. Blake pulled an all nighter to help prepare for our show. I mean, you pulled an all nighter? If this was a pro sports team, if this was the packers or the Bears or the Cubs or the Diamondbacks or the Cardinals or the Cowboys, there'd be no excuses. We'd say, fire the coach, work all night. We demand you make the playoffs. But for the US Senate, we say it's okay. You can work two days. It's disgusting. Get to work or feel the wrath. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.
Release Date: July 9, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Liz Wheeler (BlazeTV Host) and Mike Davis
The episode opens with Charlie Kirk addressing the controversy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's case. He introduces guests Liz Wheeler and Mike Davis to provide diverse perspectives on whether the Epstein files are in the government's possession and the implications of their availability or suppression.
Liz Wheeler delves deep into the mishandling and lack of transparency surrounding the Epstein files. She recounts her experience at the White House, where Attorney General Pam Bondi provided binders labeled "Epstein files, phase one." Wheeler expresses skepticism about the completeness and authenticity of these documents.
Notable Quotes:
[02:34] Liz Wheeler:
“Attorney General Pam Bondi gave us those Epstein binders and assured us that they represented the most transparent administration in history. However, it became apparent that critical documents were being withheld.”
[06:10] Liz Wheeler:
“Pam Bondi was proud of creating that misleading cover sheet, which falsely proclaimed transparency. This dishonesty has severely damaged trust among the American people.”
Wheeler highlights discrepancies between public statements and available evidence, emphasizing that the sudden dismissal of further documents without substantial proof fuels distrust. She connects this issue to broader concerns about government transparency and accountability, arguing that the Epstein files are a litmus test for whether the administration will uphold the promises of justice made during President Trump’s campaign.
[08:11] Liz Wheeler:
“We want justice, not just for Epstein but for all the systemic abuses we've faced. The handling of these files is indicative of a larger pattern of deception by government officials.”
Wheeler also addresses misconceptions about public interest in the Epstein case, asserting that the base cares deeply about justice and the integrity of government institutions.
[10:21] Liz Wheeler:
“It's not just about Epstein; it's about ensuring that those in power are held accountable. The anomalies in Epstein’s death and the suppression of information are emblematic of the broader issues we face with the deep state.”
Mike Davis offers a critical analysis of the Department of Justice’s handling of the Epstein case. He acknowledges Epstein’s heinous crimes but critiques the DOJ for lacking sufficient evidence to prosecute high-profile individuals implicated in the scandal.
Notable Quotes:
Davis discusses the broader implications for political trust, linking the Epstein case to other controversies like Russiagate and the impeachment of President Trump. He argues that these issues exemplify a pattern of politicization within federal agencies, undermining public trust in institutions like the FBI and CIA.
[26:33] Mike Davis:
“This is the biggest scandal in American history. The politicization and weaponization of law enforcement to target political figures like President Trump demonstrate a deep-seated conspiracy that demands accountability.”
Davis also explores ongoing investigations targeting figures like Mr. Brennan and emphasizes the potential for significant judicial outcomes if the DOJ continues its current trajectory.
Charlie Kirk and Mike Davis shift focus to the Senate’s inaction in confirming U.S. Attorneys, which they argue hampers investigations into matters like Crossfire Hurricane and the Epstein case.
Notable Quotes:
[29:22] Mike Davis:
“The statute of limitations doesn’t apply to ongoing conspiracies. As long as the conspiracy continues, legal actions can proceed. This underscores the urgency of confirming U.S. Attorneys who can drive these investigations forward.”
[32:50] Mike Davis:
“The Senate needs to confirm nominees like Jason Redding Quinones without delay. The backlog is unacceptable and impedes justice.”
Kirk criticizes the Senate work calendar, highlighting inefficiencies and partisan standoffs that delay critical appointments.
[33:03] Charlie Kirk:
“It is unacceptable to take a quarter of an entire presidential term to staff the president's picks. The Senate must expedite confirmations or face severe repercussions from the grassroots movement.”
The discussion underscores the tension between executive promises of justice and legislative inaction, portraying the latter as a barrier to achieving the former.
As the episode concludes, Charlie Kirk emphasizes the need for political activism to ensure that the Senate fulfills its responsibility in confirming U.S. Attorneys. He calls on listeners to engage in the political process to hold their representatives accountable.
Transparency Issues: Liz Wheeler highlights inconsistencies and potential cover-ups in the handling of Epstein files, undermining public trust in government transparency.
Judicial Challenges: Mike Davis points out the DOJ’s struggle to prosecute without sufficient evidence, compounded by legal restrictions on disclosing sensitive materials.
Political Accountability: The Senate’s delay in confirming U.S. Attorneys is portrayed as a significant obstacle to justice, necessitating urgent action from both lawmakers and the grassroots.
Broader Implications: The Epstein case is used as a focal point to discuss systemic issues within federal agencies and the politicization of law enforcement, reflecting broader concerns about governance and accountability in the United States.
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