Charlie Kirk (8:11)

So the audience and the base is right on par with you. They're following your tempo. So then I have multiple questions. Let me just ask you this one. What could make this right, in your estimation?

Liz Wheeler (8:26)

Yeah, that's a good question. Because a couple of things could make this right. First of all, I think the American people voted for President Trump because we trust that he does deliver on his promises. He's always delivered on his promises, and we know he's going to keep doing that. So we expect justice to be served and justice for Covid. The origin of COVID and the, the lies we were told about the COVID vaccines and the lockdowns. We want justice for January 6th and the pipe bomber. We want justice for the Russiagate lies that were inflicted upon President Trump and his supporters early on in the first Trump administration. We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment. We want. There's something that we often say on, on my show, on the Liz Wheeler show. We say we want perp walks and jumpsuits. Not because we're vindictive, not because we want revenge, not because we want to target our political enemies, but because true justice means accountability for the people who committed crimes against us. And in order to have accountability, there needs to be indictments, there needs to be perp walks and jumpsuits. So job number one to make this right is just show us that you're committed to delivering the justice that we voted for. And to be honest, this should be somewhat easy because there were a lot of crimes that were committed against us. And I know President Trump feels those crimes deeply because he was often standing between us and those who were trying to assault him because they're trying to assault us.

Charlie Kirk (9:47)

So this thing, number one, really quick. No, no, no, that's great. I want you to finish that thought, but I have to interject. Can you add some detail or just some contextualization? Because some people that I. Not a lot, not necessarily in our primary audience because this actually transcends generational lines in our primary audience, but I'd say in the non political audience, some people say no one really cares about Epstein. Can you just contextualize how big of a Internet deal this is specifically for those under the age of 40?

Liz Wheeler (10:21)

Yeah, it is a big deal. I've seen a narrative on X specifically an allegation that it's only, it's only mega on X that cares about this. It's not real world mega that cares about this. And I, I believe that that's a misreading of President Trump's base here and the reason why there's this story that I love. Country singer John Rich once said that he was having dinner with President Trump and President Trump asked him, listen, why do people boo at my rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine? And then he listened while John Rich told him, because, Mr. President, people have been hurt by the jab. And this is another one of those moments. The reason people care so deeply about Epstein and the Epstein files is not actually because they care about Epstein the creep or Epstein the man. It's because they care about justice, because, because people have been hurt by the deep state. And, and we view the Epstein files as, as foundational. It's a, it's a litmus test. It's a canary in the coal mine of whether we are actually going to get justice this time or whether it's going to be another lock her up. But then Hillary Clinton doesn't actually go to jail again. And people feel this very, very deeply. And not just online. This is, this is across generations. Actually. It's not just young people and it is certainly not just online.

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Liz Wheeler (13:18)

Yeah. Well, let me start with the first question and I'll tell you some of the things that my audience who are pretty representative of the base care about when they look at the Epstein case itself. There are some anomalies in Epstein's brother, Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark, after Jeffrey Epstein's death, hired an outside forensic pathologist to examine the autopsy and they. Michael Baden was his name and he found that all of the signs, the physical signs on Jeffrey Epstein's body were not consistent with what we had been told by the Bureau of Prisons, what we have been told by the government. In fact, Michael Baden found that it. The wounds on his body were more consistent with homicide by strangulation than by suicide. And this was not just an individual independent pathologist who. Who came to this conclusion. We had a toxicologist on the Liz Wheeler show as well named Chris Martinson who did a very detailed and thorough analysis of Epstein's bodies. The. Of Epstein's body, the photos that were released and showed that, you know, the marks of the ligature on his neck were not consistent with the type of hanging that we were supposed to believe Epstein committed. Against himself in addition to the broken hyoid bone and a lot of other physical anomalies. And people want answers to that. They don't want a government official to just say, actually, no, we think it's suicide. I've seen a million suicides. That's what it is. We want answers to, okay, but are you going to address these anomalies from these subject matter experts? That's just one example. Another example would be ABC's Amy Robach. This was a video that was released by Project Veritas a couple years ago. She was on set but recorded off air. You know, the typical hot, hot set situation here. And she was talking about how she had information that incriminated Prince Andrew and Epstein and Bill Clinton. But ABC wouldn't let her air this report, which she said was a very thorough report, because they didn't want to anger the Palace. The palace had threatened them that they wouldn't have access to interview Will and Kate. If ABC aired this, this investigation by Amy Robach about Epstein and implicated Prince Andrew in it, why would the palace respond like that? If this was total malarkey, why would they, why would they threaten access? Why would they do what they've done to Prince Andrew if there was nothing there, if he wasn't a client of Jeffrey Epstein? We don't want that to be dismissed. We want that to be addressed. I think a lot of us in the base are truth seekers. We're open minded. It's not like we have a preconceived conclusion about everything regarding Jeffrey Epstein. We simply don't have enough information to have a preconceived conclusion. But we're smart people and we see anomalies and we see that they, the evidence that's before our eyes doesn't add up to what the politicians are telling us. And they're not providing evidence to substantiate their point of view or debunk the evidence that's before our eyes. So those are just two examples among many that the base looks at and says, well, your, your memo didn't address any of these things that we see regarding why this is so important. The second part of your question, why this is so important to the base. I'll go back to what I said before. President Trump typically reads his base so well. It's one of my favorite parts of President Trump is he's very confident and he knows what he thinks, but he's also willing to listen to why the base cares. And there's an old phrase that says once burned twice shy and it's obviously self evident that it means once you've been wronged, you are doubly skeptical of being wronged again. And the mega base, those of us again, who have been censored on social media, banned, vilified, unfairly, falsely called, racist, targeted by the FBI, if we were traditional Catholics attending Latin Mass or pro lifers exercising our first amendment right outside of abortion clinics, or going and peacefully protesting around the Capitol on January 6th because we know why what happened in the 2020 election, or saying we don't want transgender ideology in our schools and we don't want critical race theory in our government because it's racist. We have been targeted and vilified and we know that it happened because of this group of deep state swamp creatures embedded in the federal government, in these intel agencies. Look at Russiagate. Russiagate came from the bowels of the FBI. We do not have trust in the FBI. We do not have trust in the CIA. We do not have trust. Look at what President Trump was able to uncover through doging US Aid. All of this corrupt, just disgusting use of our taxpayer money, funding leftist causes. So the reason that people are so viscerally stung by being dismissed over the Epstein files is because we don't feel that we're being told the truth. And it's sort of the same not to, not to malignant a fellow fighter in the conservative cause. But that's why people reacted so strongly to the daily wire drama a couple months ago, because for a second they felt that they were not being told the truth. They felt like the authenticity in that relationship had been tarnished. And that's what they're feeling now. President Trump can fix this easily.

Charlie Kirk (18:16)

How do you think, in your estimation, this can be made right?

Liz Wheeler (18:19)

Yeah. As I was saying, President Trump knows his base and respects his base. I always say he's a pro humanity president because even though he doesn't always, I mean, he's, he's successful, he's wealthy, he's experienced so many aspects of life in business and in politics, yet he cares about the McDonald's employees and you know, those driving garbage trucks, just like he displayed very genuinely during the campaign. He cares about us. And so he can fix this because it's an unforced error. Right. This was not something that had to happen. Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, didn't have to say she had the client list on her desk. She didn't have to say that the, the binders were the most, the phase one of the most transparent administration in history. She didn't have to give those to us. She didn't have to release them. She didn't have to make the claim about the SDNY before she'd looked at those documents. Charlie, I asked her that day in the White House, have you seen the documents that this alleged whistleblower is telling you that the SDNY is hiding from you? And she said, no, she hadn't seen them. So she was making this announcement before verifying any of this, which was a red flag to me at the time. But listen, I'm. I give the benefit of the doubt to people on my side. I thought, okay, maybe she'll deliver. Maybe she was getting a little out over her skis on this. But it's not hard to believe that the SDNY was stonewalling the president. It's not hard to believe that the FBI would hide evidence or even destroy evidence. And yet it's hard to square that behavior, even after giving her the benefit of the doubt for three months. When we see a document put on the DOJ website, like that memo that just says definitively, no list, no blackmail, he killed himself, and you're not getting any other information. She's a liability to the Trump administration. It's costing him tremendous goodwill among his base. And I say this sorrowfully because there's a lot of things Pam Bondi's done that I like and that I agree with, but it's time to not allow her to have this be something that tarnishes President Trump's legacy in office. It's time to move on from her.

Charlie Kirk (20:09)

Are. Are you calling for her resignation? Is that right?

Liz Wheeler (20:12)

Yes. I believe President Trump should give her the option to resign because she didn't tell the truth to the American people. It's the right thing to do.

Charlie Kirk (20:18)

A lot of people in the audience feel that way, Liz, and I know you were personally wrong. I want everyone to understand this, that you were personally basically humiliated. I mean, Jack Posobiek is in the same category, and so I hope that that is internalized. Liz, thanks so much.

Liz Wheeler (20:34)

Thanks, Charlie. I appreciate it.

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Mike Davis (23:02)

Yeah. And I get that what Jeffrey Epstein did was monstrous. He abused children and he abused children systematically across many years. And I'm glad this monster is rotting in hell. And I don't say that lightly. Right. And so there is evidence that a lot of high powerful, high power people, very powerful people went to his island, maybe Bill Clinton, maybe others. And what Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and the Attorney General Pam Bondi inherited was a mess. And they came out and they tried to, they said that they're going to try to get to the bottom of this. They're going to be as transparent as they can. And I think they have. I mean, let me just tell you what they've done. The FBI under Cash Patel and Dan Bongino has looked at this very carefully. Over the last many months, they've looked at all of the evidence that the FBI has and what they've concluded is that they don't have the evidence to support the theories that were out there in the past. There's just no evidence to support it. And they've, they've tried to investigate this. And the problem is, is that, you know, the evidence that they have, they can't disclose because it's child pornography. And they can't put that out there. They legally cannot put that out there. They morally and ethically cannot put that out there because there are victims, there are child victims with, with these videos of this child pornography. There are not videos of high powerful, of the faces of high power, high power men raping children that those videos simply do not exist. The videos are of child pornography according to every report I've, I've heard from inside the Justice Department along with the news reports. And so it is very frustrating, it is very frustrating that we do not, that we, we cannot bring charges against these powerful monstrous men who raped children. The issue is, is they don't have the evidence.

Charlie Kirk (25:23)

So I don't want to spend too much time on this. But let me just ask one final, one final question here. People are, and I don't have an answer. That's why I said I'm profoundly confused. What then was Maxwell, why is she in jail if the underlying evidence is not able to be released?

Mike Davis (25:42)

I hear you. She should be in prison. And I think the problem is that she has kept her mouth shut. She has not revealed who these men were who came in with Jeffrey Epstein and raped these young girls, these kids. And so that's the issue. Look, everyone knows that horrible things happened with Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone knows this. We know that powerful men were doing this. The issue is they don't have the evidence to charge people right now.

Charlie Kirk (26:15)

So Mike, now let's go to some of the more let's just say playing offense news. Mike, Yesterday Cash Patel or the FBI announced ongoing probes for Mr. Brennan and who else. What is the significance of this and will we finally see justice for what this gang of criminals that against our country?

Mike Davis (26:33)

Well, you know, Charlie, we've been talking about this on your show for many years going back to the unprecedented unlawful home raid on the the office of former president Donald Trump to get back crossfire hurricane records and. Right, and this is, we're finally opening the investigation to go after these bad actors who lied to the FISA courts. They made up the Russian collusion hoax with the Steele dossier. They lied to the FISA court that got illegal spy warrants and they used this to take out President Trump his, his presidential campaign in 2016. This is an ongoing criminal conspiracy. They continue to lie. They continue to cover up. And if this investigation goes where it should go, justice is definitely coming. There is ev. There is, there is evidence that the most senior Obama administration officials participated in Crossfire Hurricane. This the biggest scandal in American history were the Obama White House, including President Obama himself, according to the evidence, politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to go after then candidate Donald Trump to take him out. In my theory has been for years that they did this because Hillary Clinton got caught with her illegal home server, not only with our nation's most classified secrets as the Secretary of State, but of the Clinton foundation pay for play foreign bribery schemes. She's taken money into the Clinton foundation to underwrite her lavish lifestyle for the Clintons. In return, they, they may have been doing official acts when she was the Secretary of State. They made up the Russian collusion hoax because they were afraid this was going to come out before the 2016 election and they didn't think that Trump was going to win. They thought they would run this Russian collusion hoax. It would, they could say that when, when her Clinton foundation pay for blade, pay for play foreign bribery scheme came out, they could say it was a Russian disinformation campaign and you have to ignore it. And the intel agencies and the FBI and the Justice Department were and the Obama White House were in on this. Look, this is again, this is the biggest scandal in American history. They, they politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to take out a presidential candidate and a sitting President of the United States. They did a home raid on him after President Trump left office because he declassified Crossfire Hurricane and they did the homebrew to go get those documents. Justice is coming.

Charlie Kirk (29:14)

So, so Mike, two questions. Do the statute of limitations apply to a conspiracy charge and how do we navigate the D.C. jury?

Mike Davis (29:22)

Yeah, it's, it's an ongoing conspiracy and the statute of limitations doesn't start ticking until the last overt acts. People have to disavow the conspiracy. Otherwise it is an ongoing criminal conspiracy. And you can charge for this ongoing criminal conspiracy. There may also be perjury involved. That's within that, that happened within the last five years. Maybe Clapper perjured himself. Maybe, just maybe. And so this is very much according to news reports, including According to fox news.com this is very much an active criminal probe. A criminal investigation. And as I've said to these officials for years, you better lawyer up because justice is coming.

Charlie Kirk (30:09)

Yeah. And so the D.C. jury, I mean, is there a way that we could get this in Virginia? Is there a way that we can get this in another jurisdiction?

Mike Davis (30:20)

Well, remember that Mar A Lago is in the Southern District of Florida. And that was one of the overt acts in the criminal conspiracy was when they raided Mar A Lago, the office of former president, to get back the Crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via executive order the day before he left office. That, that, that was absolutely why they went into Mar A Lago. They didn't care about so called classified records or espionage. The, the office of former president is allowed to have those. That's why Congress gives them federally funding, federal funding for security clearances and skiffs and staff. They're allowed, the president is allowed to see his presidential records under the Presidential Records act. Whether they're classified or not in a presidential record is any document created or received by the president or his White House staff to advise them. And that's exactly what those crossfire hurricane records were. They were declassified presidential records that President Trump was allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act. And the Mar A Lago raid was to get back those records because Obama, Biden, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, so many other Comey, so many other officials have their fingerprints on this. There, there is evidence, we, we've pointed to this evidence where they green, they greenlit the Crossfire hurricane investigation in the Oval Office several days before President Trump was going to take office. This, this is again the biggest scandal in American history. And justice is coming and it's going to come, you know, eight years later, but justice is coming.

Charlie Kirk (31:59)

One minute remaining. Mike, what other indictments and investigations do you want to start seeing from the FBI and the Department of Justice? One minute remaining.

Mike Davis (32:09)

Well, I'd say this, I think the Senate needs to start confirming these US Attorneys because you can't.

Charlie Kirk (32:13)

That's a big one. You're right. I just, I learned that this weekend that we still have dozens of US Attorneys that are not filled in slots like Denver. I mean, we still have Biden holdovers that we're trying to get rid of. Mike, continue. Yeah.

Mike Davis (32:26)

Jason Redding quinones is the U.S. the nominee for U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida. He got out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He is sitting on the Senate floor. I don't understand why they won't file closure and have two hours of debate and confirm Jason Redding Quinones immediately so we can get moving on this Crossfire hurricane investigation.

Charlie Kirk (32:50)

I'm actually tweeting right now because you're right. The U.S. senate needs to work weekends and confirm all of Trump's U.S. attorneys. This is ridiculous. I've heard this from three or four people. How many are there that the backlog do you. Do we know of.

Mike Davis (33:03)

There's a ton. I don't think we've confirmed any U.S. attorneys. And here's the problem. Law resistance cannot resist long weekends. And so if these Senate Democrats want to block these U.S. attorneys, make them work past 2pm on Thursday. It's amazing how many people you can confirm by merely threatening to make.

Charlie Kirk (33:24)

No, no, no, no, you don't understand. No, no, you don't understand. No, no, you don't understand. Lindsey Graham needs to leave every Tuesday at 2:00pm he's the worst, by the way. He's like the worst offender. I've done all the research on this Lindsey Graham. Every Thursday, he's like, I'm out. And all of a sudden they're like, well, you know, Mr. Graham had to leave, so we'll be back on to. Just so you understand, the scope of work for the US Senate is they start working Tuesday afternoon and they stop working Thursday afternoon. It's literally two days. That's the life of a US Senator. Mike Davis, thank you so much. Private student loan debt in America totals over $300 billion. About 45 billion of that is labeled as distressed. Why Refi refinances distressed or defaulted private student loans that others will not touch. Why Refi can reduce your monthly payment and guarantees interest rates under 6%, ensuring affordability and financial relief. 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But enough, okay, this hole that we're going to arrive on Tuesday afternoon and we're gonna leave on Thursday afternoon when Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees. Do you know Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees. Hundreds ambassadorships, U.S. attorneys. We have people that are very important mid level positions at Department of Justice, at Department of Labor. It is unacceptable to take a quarter of an entire presidential term to staff the president's picks. And John Thune, we're looking at you, John Thune, generally I think you've been doing a good job. But now enough. We have to get the big beautiful bill. Well, you passed it and these senators, we're going to start melting fold lines. We expect a vote. Arama, do you know you can do concurrent nominations? If we do not have every single one of Trump's nominees by Labor Day, we're gonna have serious problems. And by the way, Lindsey Graham, we're talking to you. That's Lindsey Graham. Why Andre Bauer, one of the guys that's running up against you in the primary in South Carolina, is coming to the Student Action Summit. This is why we're behind Nate Morris in Kentucky. We at Turning Point Action. We are going to be the vanguard. We are going to be the tip of the spear for, for replacing bad Republican senators. And Lindsey Graham is the worst offender of the Senate work week. I don't know what he does for this time. What is Lindsey Graham doing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday? Is he probably. Honestly, I think we know what he's doing. He's planning for another war is what he's doing. How do I try to get us for regime change? Look, the audience is ticked off and you should be President Donald Trump is working his tail off. And by the way, we do not have US Attorneys in a lot of these places. We have acting. Do you notice if you ever watch Fox News and I got a great relationship with Fox News, do you ever notice when you watch Fox News, do you look at the titles of their guests? Acting U.S. attorney. Acting U.S. attorney. Acting U.S. attorney. Do you know what that means? That means that the Senate has not lifted a finger to confirm them. Acting ICE Director. Acting U.S. attorney. Acting. Acting. Acting. Acting. Acting. And at some point we have to start to power through the U.S. senate. We need to really have a We need to have a come to truth moment, a come to Jesus moment. They have to do a vote. A enough of this. I'm only going to work two days. 1/4 of Trump's presidency is going to be taken from us. I know great people that are still not US Ambassadors to very important countries, places where we need a representative. And guess what? You know what happens when we don't have a US Ambassador to these countries? Some career Biden holdover is representing America. And in that country, in countries like Switzerland, in countries like Italy. Now, finally, some of those are getting through. Tilman Fertitta is getting through. Charlie Kushner is getting through. But still, there's major countries without US Ambassadors, major countries. And this is how the Unipart Party operates. I said this on Jesse Waters program recently. They operate by running out the clock. And it's time for the U.S. senate to get off their tail or else the grassroots is gonna roar. Oh, I wonder why the midterms were not as well as one of them. They because you guys do not work nearly as hard as your constituents do. They wanted us to feel sorry for them. Well, we pulled an all nighter for the big beautiful bill. Really? You pulled an all nighter? I know three dozen moms in Peoria, Arizona that pulled an all nighter. Blake pulled an all nighter to help prepare for our show. I mean, you pulled an all nighter? If this was a pro sports team, if this was the packers or the Bears or the Cubs or the Diamondbacks or the Cardinals or the Cowboys, there'd be no excuses. We'd say, fire the coach, work all night. We demand you make the playoffs. But for the US Senate, we say it's okay. You can work two days. It's disgusting. Get to work or feel the wrath. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.