D (3:31)

Right.

C (3:32)

I mean, this is all, all the stuff we've been, people have been talking about and debating on, on social media and it's there, that relationship is there. But I think also too, the left feels, and I don't think they do, the left feels that it's acceptable to commit acts of violence on their political opponents, people they just disagree with because they view speech itself to be violence. Andrew. And that is the big difference between the left and the right. The right views violence to be violence and that's it. Right. You can hurt sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. You remember that saying? Does everybody remember that? Because I was thinking about that when I was processing this, you know, when I was a kid. That's what people said and it was a way to differentiate that. You know, somebody says something may hurt your feelings, whatever. There's a big difference between that and actual violence. Right. And we're just not teaching people this today. We're not. And so many of these left wing demographic groups have come up and have come to the conclusion that it's all right to physically hurt somebody that you disagree with. And that's stunning.

B (4:43)

So it's just, yeah, Rich, I'm going to show you. This is that we talked about it a lot on this show, but I'm going to put it back up again. This is image 31, is it? This is from YouGov, the economist, right after Charlie's assassination. And the question was posed, is it ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? This is the percent responding, yes. And you look at that aged cohort, 18 to 39 year olds it's at 30% of liberals in the 18 to 39 bracket believe that violence is justifiable to achieve political goals. And then it goes down somewhat in the 40 to 59 year old bracket. Are you seeing similar results to this in your polling?

C (5:28)

The age signal is definitely there. If you're, you know, if you're 45 to 64, you're certainly more left wing than you were 10 years ago in that age bucket. But they, there is still a disconnect with the left's younger cohorts where they just, like I said before, were not taught this very simple lesson that actually, I mean, let's be honest, Andrew, they were taught the opposite. They were taught about microaggressions and they were taught about that speech actually being violence. So they have this completely different worldview. So if, if you come to understand that, then it makes. I'm not saying it's rational, I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying it makes sense that they commit so many acts of violence. We asked similar questions that's such as we were trying to elicit an honest response from people. And one of the ones that was most illuminating was asking whether or not some people hold such beliefs or beliefs that are so bad that acts of violence are justified against them. Well, if you have a telling you that this one's a Nazi, this one promotes this, this one does that, and you believe that, well, then suddenly, Andrew, you become the hero in your own story. You're putting down this bad element. And honestly, we can go back to even this, the shooting of Steve Scalise. We don't talk about this guy enough. This guy worked for Bernie Sanders, then he worked for Hillary Clinton. He fully believed in the Russia hoax. He believed Donald Trump was a traitor. And he looked at Steve Scalise and other Republicans on Capitol Hill as enablers. And in his, in his own mind, he wasn't a bad guy. He wasn't a guy who got a gun and committed a mass shooting. He was a guy who was saving the country from this infiltration. So, you know, I think the lesson here is that we all really do have to be a little bit more careful with our words, but we have entire institutions that are pushing these kinds of messages. And, you know, it's sad because we started to follow this trajectory to have this discussion in the wake of Charlie's murder. And we were, you know, my opinion, so close to holding certain people accountable for their reckless, reckless disregard for anyone's safety when they use certain words to label their political opponents. And we got completely sidetracked from that. And we have to get back on it because it exists. It's real. It's d. It's dangerous to be a political voice in America. That's a fact.

B (7:58)

Yeah. You look at what happened with Tim Pool. His house got shot up. That's been confirmed by his team. He's been saying that he doesn't even know if his show can continue on. So my heart and genuinely my prayers are out with Tim Pool. I mean, this stuff, you talk to Steven Crowder. Steven Crowder literally goes around with armed security everywhere he goes. This should not be the way that we have to live our lives in America if you're gonna be a conservative. And the reason you have to is because of that poll that you are conducting right now, the poll that we saw from in just the immediate aftermath. So Blake has a theory with this YouGov poll that had Charlie not been assassinated, that number actually would have been quite a bit higher, that people were probably.

B (8:41)

Maybe moderating themselves a little bit, and so that it would actually. You would have seen a higher number there. So there's this whole thing.

C (8:47)

I agree with that.

B (8:48)

I agree with that. This whole thing is insane that you can't disagree. And I just really wonder, you know, what are the threats that they think are going to happen? You know, what. What voices are spreading this on Discord chats? What voices are spreading this on Twitch? What voices are spreading this anywhere? That it's like, okay, that like, some conservative's gonna bust down your door and like drag you out because you're brown or something. I guess that's like the message, right? That they need to do this because of ICE or because of DHS or cuz Trump's a totalitarian or whatever.

A (9:19)

Right.

C (9:19)

And I. We asked about social media use as well, and I, you know, I don't even know what to call these demographics, but these, you know, they're almost hysterical, right? These hysterical demographics, their use of things like Reddit and. And definitely discord and blue sky. Of course, they're on blue sky a lot. I'm not calling for shutting anything down here, guys, you know, just to be clear. But they're in their own echo chambers, so they're not interacting with other people to dispel these myths. Right? So if I was told constantly by somebody and we didn't talk, Andrew, that, you know, you were this big threat to me, right? And we never eng. And we never interacted with each other, I would never know. That's not true. And I'm just hearing from the same voices over and over again telling me that that's the case. So the more we retreat to our own corners, to our true socials and our blue skies and whatever it may be, the worse this is going to get.

B (10:14)

It's the echo chambers. It's the echo chambers. Rich, you're totally right.

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E (11:34)

With Erica Kirk sharing her journey with America and the world. We are grateful at Fox to have her here to shine a light on healing as we all miss and mourn the loss of her beloved Charlie Kirk. Not all of her journey has been without, well, hate, conspiracies and oddly, speculation about where her husband is buried. Now for the first time, Erica, who's with me now, addresses all of it from the perspective of a grieving widow, a mom and a battle tested American. Good to see you again today. Talk to me about this part of the conspiracies that are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is.

F (12:21)

Can I have one thing?

F (12:24)

Can I have one thing? Can my children have one thing? Everything was public.

F (12:35)

We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA and it will Be for the world to see. And it will be spectacular and it will have basically museum style for our Charlie. For my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can my babies have one thing? Where we hold it sacred? Where my husband is laid to rest. Where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying. One thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was Charlie Kirk to the world. And I know so many people love my husband and I am grateful for that. But this is my husband. And I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family, to my in laws, to my babies and to my parents. One thing.

E (13:26)

What are they taking from you right now? Nothing.

F (13:30)

But I will tell you what they are doing. It reminds me so much of chapter six in the book of Nehemiah. He is building a wall and the townspeople are at the base of that hill saying Nehemiah, calling him all these names, saying all these things. Come on down. Every single time, he had the same message four times in a row. I cannot come down. I am busy building. That is how I feel. I do not have time to address the noise. My silence does not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not mean that somehow Turning Point USA and all of the hand picked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow in on it. We are busy building. And you know what I thought? I thought these people are human. We are all grieving in our own way and they are trying to find the answer to something that happened that was so evil. They are trying so hard. And I get that we're doing the same. Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we hear anything, we send it to the authorities. Please dig into this. No rock will be unturned. I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family, more than anyone else out there. So for me, you want to keep telling me to come down while we're building, I don't have time for that. But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me. Call me names, I don't care. Call me what you want, go down that rabbit hole, whatever. But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode, going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this. No.

E (15:21)

You know, I have to say it. I've never seen you like this.

F (15:24)

No, I'M I'm there. I. This is righteous anger. Because this is not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes. I believe in our judicial. Judicial, judicial system. I do. We have a hell of a team working on this. Excuse my French, but this is not okay.

E (15:44)

So you want to put these people back in the box where they've been creeping from?

F (15:49)

I don't care what box you're in, but just know that your words are very powerful. And we are human. My team are not machines and they're not robots. They are human. We have more death threats on our team and our side than I have ever seen. I have kidnapping threats. I have. You name it, we have it. And my poor team is exhausted. And every time they bring this back up, what are we supposed to do? Relive that trauma all over again? They watched my husband get murdered. I have no idea how I would have reacted if I was there that day. And thank the good Lord that I did not have to see that happen. But my team, they are rocked to the core. So why every single day do they have to be dragged through the mud?

E (16:34)

Analyzed, hyper analyzed, you know, the conspiracies that are out there, all of the like. Do you think that there is more of it now? Because you do shine your light. I mean, did people just expect you would just go away?

F (16:50)

I don't know what they expected. I don't know what they expected.

E (16:54)

They pick on you because of your accessories? I mean, I've seen some of it.

F (16:57)

Oh, yeah. No, at this point, it's what? The conspiracy collection. Get it before Christmas. Like, seriously, if you want to find and pick me apart, go right ahead. I do not care. I don't. This was happening before Charlie was murdered. Both of us have been through the ringer of people will call you whatever they want to call you.

B (17:15)

Quite the clip. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Very proud of Erica. Well said. So much grace, so much courage, so much strength.

B (17:25)

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B (18:27)

I want to bring on our next two guests here. We've got Gabby Stout, who's a high school student, as well as Tyson Langhofer, who's a senior counselor with Alliance Defending Freedom. The good people over at Alliance Defending Freedom. And this is an incredible story because, well, I'm going to have them tell the story, actually. So, Gabby and Tyson, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

G (18:52)

Hi. Thank you for having me.

B (18:54)

Yeah. Honored to have you both. Gabby, why don't we start with you? Just tell us what you tried to do to honor Charlie and then tell us what happened next.

G (19:02)

Yes. So I painted the spirit rock at my high school, which is a large rock that you can paint to express your opinions and beliefs. And I painted the rock to honor and memorialize Charlie Kirk's life, as well as to honor God. On the rock, I painted a heart, an American flag, Freedom 1776, and live like Kirk, John 11:25. I painted these things because Charlie Kirk loved our country and he wanted our generation to also be proud of our country. I painted Live like Kirk, John 11:25, because I wanted to give people hope that life doesn't end after death and that Charlie Kirk is living eternally in heaven. Which is why I wrote John 11:25, which says, I am the resurrection in the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall live. Only hours after painting, my rock was covered up by the school, and I was accused by the school as committing a crime and that I vandalized the rock even though I had permission from the school.

B (20:07)

Wow.

H (20:08)

The education system strikes again.

B (20:10)

Yeah. Can you tell me where your school is located?

G (20:13)

Yes, My school is located in Charlotte, North Carolina.

B (20:17)

Unbelievable. So, Tyson Langhofer, your senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom, how did you guys hear about this incident and why did you choose to get involved?

D (20:28)

Well, because, you know, high school students should be encouraged to share their beliefs and opinions on really important topics, but they shouldn't be censored by government officials who disagree with their opinions. And the school here has created an opportunity on their spirit rock for students to share their beliefs. Yet they didn't like what Gabby had to say. So because of that, they not only censored her by painting over the Rock, but they then sent out an email to the entire school community accusing her of vandalism and saying that they have started a criminal investigation. The next day at school, they called her into the principal's office, and they demanded that she write out a statement without, you know, reading her rights or telling her she's under criminal investigation, telling her that she has the right to an attorney or telling her she has a right to remain silent. That's a problem, right? Because the school officials have created this forum, yet they're saying, because you share this opinion, we're not gonna let you participate in that forum. That's a violation of the First Amendment. It should never happen in America, and we wanna hold these school officials accountable for doing that.

B (21:29)

I just. I don't understand how this becomes a criminal investigation. Has that been ceased? Have they stopped that? Because that's patently insane.

D (21:38)

So after they interviewed Gabby and verified, yes, that she did have permission, eventually they silently closed the investigation and said, well, she didn't do anything wrong. The problem is, this had gone out to the entire Charlotte community. It was on the news that she had been accused of vandalism and that they were having a criminal investigation. And instead of clearing her name, they just silently closed it and acted as if nothing happened. But it's not nothing when the government actually puts their foot on the scale and silences a high school student who simply wants to express her opinion and treats her like a criminal simply for expressing her views. That should never happen in America at.

B (22:20)

A public school, of course. Of course. So, Gabby, what did it feel like.

B (22:26)

When you just expressed your admiration for Charlie? You took part in. Seems like a civic ritual at the school. You expressed your pride. It was a traumatizing event, I know, for high schoolers all across the country, and then you get treated like a criminal. Tell us personally, like, what did that feel like? What was that experience like for you and your family?

G (22:47)

I was extremely intimidated. I don't get in trouble often at school, and so I was very scared that I could be getting in trouble for sharing my views and my beliefs. And this has never happened to any other student for such causes. And so my family and I. I was very scared to go to school the next day, and my parents were scared to send me as well, as I had no idea if I could go to jail or what would be waiting for me as I got to school.

B (23:16)

I just find this so unbelievable. You're obviously a very bright student. You're obviously well intentioned. You are the exact kind of student that we should be hoping is the product of our school system. And yet you are getting targeted and called out and singled out for doing something beautiful to honor Charlie. I just have to wonder, and maybe I'll throw this to you, Tyson, because I don't want to get Gabby in any more hot water here. I have to wonder, are there examples on this spirit rock that maybe celebrated lgbtq? Are there examples of things that maybe conservatives wouldn't find so appealing, and were there any consequences for those demonstrations?

D (24:01)

So, several years ago, during the BLM movement, there were blm. There were paintings of expressing support for blm, and in fact, some other students, you know, ended up painting other messages on that. And the school officials, you know, stepped in and actually, you know, supported the supporters of BLM and encouraged them to go back and repaint that over. So obviously, they allow political messages and they allow messages that, you know, are on important topics of the day. And they actually, again, you know, are weighing in, putting their foot on the scale for certain views and trying to stamp out other views. And that's the exact opposite message that we want our government officials sending to the next generation. We want them to understand that the government allows all viewpoints, that they can't censor certain viewpoints. But, you know, in fact, after Gabby did this, they changed the policy. They now have a policy says no religious or political messages. Right. And we know who gets to determine what's religious and what's political. It's these same school officials who've already shown that they have a bias against people like Gabby who just wanna share their support for Charlie Kirk and their support for Christian values.

B (25:21)

Yeah, I find that really appalling, actually, that their reaction to this would be to say no religious or political.

B (25:30)

Spirit rock demonstrations. I find that appalling because especially in Charlotte, North Carolina, I'm going to wager a guess here that would say that most people are Christians. Most people worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior in this part of the country. And that is a very key part of their personality, of what makes them have spirit in the first place. I find that actually a really appalling thing. And to your point, who's gonna determine what's acceptable on that rock? What are the rules? This is why censorship is a terrible thing in the first place. But I don't want to get bogged down on the negative here. I'm so glad Alliance Defending Freedom has stepped in. So thank You, Tyson. And thank you to ADF for being a voice of common sense and having Gabby's back. We have your back, Gabby. I'm told, Gabby, that you are considering starting a turning point chapter in the future. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if you do, we will 100% have your back on that as well. Gabby, the floor is yours here. We got about three minutes left in the segment. Tell us what it was about Charlie that so moved you. Tell us what he meant to you, what he meant to you and your friends.

G (26:37)

I enjoyed watching Charlie Kirk. I've watched him for many years, and I admired him as he went across campuses speaking to students, even people he didn't agree with, just having conversations with them. And I was absolutely distraught when he died, as I have never seen someone assassinated on social media because of their faith. And he was trying to teach people truth, which is the Bible, and he wanted people to be able to stand up and defend their faith.

B (27:07)

Yeah, really well said. Tyson, final question to you. What do you hope comes out of this? What does victory look like here in this Charlotte school?

D (27:17)

Well, one, we want them to change their policy. We want them to have a policy which allows all viewpoints, and we also want to hold them accountable for silencing Gabby because of her viewpoint. They need to understand government officials need to understand there are consequences for violating our most deeply cherished rights, such as the freedom of speech and free exercise of our religious beliefs. And then I hope we inspire. I hope Gabby's courage inspires students across the country to wade in, to engage in discussions on important topics and to do it in a way that Charlie did with grace and winsomeness and doing it in a way that encourages people to engage with people across the aisle.

B (28:00)

Yeah, well said. I'm just. I'm so proud of you guys, honestly, for standing up for what you know is clearly right. Gabby, you have been egregiously wronged, Charlie. The legacy of Charlie Kirk has been egregiously maligned and unnecessarily. So. What you wrote was beautiful, and thank you for doing that. And I just want to say that, you know, thank you to your parents who raised you, to the community that brought you up and gave, instilled those values in you. And God bless what you wrote. Freedom 1776. Live like Kirk John 1125. That is exactly what a spirit rock.

H (28:36)

Is, not a mostly peaceful rock.

B (28:39)

You did everything right, Gabby, and we bless you for that. We say God bless you. Please let us know. I know our team Obviously, we got in touch for this interview, but if you want to start a Turning Point chapter, we will work extraordinarily hard to help you make that a phenomenal chapter. So let us know if you choose to do that. God bless you guys. Tyson, thank you. And God bless the ADF as well for stepping in.

D (29:02)

Thank you so much.

B (29:03)

Thank you guys.

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B (30:12)

The team really loved that segment, by the way, with Gabby and Tyson. I just. Blake.

B (30:19)

The world feels so freaking upside down sometimes. It's really frustrating.

H (30:23)

I really, we said this yesterday. We love seeing the chapter heads. We love seeing the rank and file turning point enthusiasts because they're the people Charlie cared so much about. They have that enthusiasm, they have that forthrightness.

H (30:38)

They haven't had the chance to frankly be jaded by, you know, we know there's so many difficulties and troubles. It's never, it's never easy. But they're always earnest. They're always happy to go. They honor Charlie with everything they do.

B (30:49)

Email us freedomarly kirk.com do you like when we bring these students on? Do you want to see more of it? You want to hear more stories from these schools? Because I think it's important and it's one of the ways that I know how to honor Charlie is to show you the faces and hear the stories directly of the students that are on the front lines doing it. And Charlie was always so good about this. He was always so good about giving those students all the credit and saying they are the front lines for freedom in this country and they're the tip of the spear and they're doing the hard things, and we need to have their back because they're standing up against. Against backward school districts like that one in Charlotte. Shame on that school district. Blake, you got a clip lined up for us?

H (31:25)

Yeah, I just. I think we should hit more of the Trump rally. I think it's good. It's Trump on brand, and we really want to highlight things where.

B (31:31)

Yes. You said this in the break, actually. And I was like, why'd you say it? You got to say it to the audience.

H (31:35)

Yeah. So let's tee up this bit here with let's do Trump when he's talking about our favorite representative, Ilhan Omar.

A (31:43)

Let's play it.

B (31:43)

Ilhan the ingrate.

H (31:44)

Let's play 222.

B (31:46)

Do we have any individuals from Somalia in the group? Please raise your hand. That's for Minnesota. You know, that's called the great big Minnesota scam with one of the dumbest governors ever in history. I love this Elon Omar, whatever the hell her name is, with a little ching, the little turban. I love her. She comes in, does nothing, but she's always complex. I love it. She comes to our country and she's always complaining about the Constitution allows me to do this. We ought to get her to hell out. She married her brother in order to get in. Right? She married her brother.

H (32:28)

Now, I should clarify what it specifically was is the Powerline blog. Those guys we had on last week, they were the original guys who broke it. What it seems she did is she was already married to her real husband, only religiously, and then she legally married her brother. And it seems this was a scheme to just get more benefits from the University of North Dakota while she was going there. Like, you could get better housing if.

B (32:51)

You weren't familiar with Dakotas, Blake. It was just. It was just pure.

H (32:53)

Oh, it's another way to get more crap from the taxpayers for free. And then as soon as that was no longer useful, throw it aside. Her brother, I think, might live in the UK Now. I would really love the Trump administration. It would be a dream if they could denaturalize and deport her over this. But. But even if that's not possible, it should just be public. We should know what the truth there is.

B (33:14)

Here's my message to Ilhan Omar Keep doing exactly what you're doing. You are a walking, talking disgrace to Somalia. You are a walking, talking billboard that will only further our drive and our desire to stop the runaway, unchecked, unfettered migration into this country. So keep being you, Ilhan Omar.

C (33:36)

I hope.

H (33:36)

And you too, Jasmine.

B (33:37)

Soak it up.

H (33:37)

We're pulling for you in this nomination race.

B (33:41)

No.

H (33:41)

We would never want to get rid of.

B (33:43)

No.

H (33:43)

Make more videos of you standing.

B (33:46)

Jasmine, go all out. Be the most Jasmine Crockett you can. Crocket, I want you to be the most famous.

H (33:53)

We don't want Jasmine. We want Jazz. Max.

B (33:56)

Jazz, you can go.

C (33:57)

Max.

B (33:58)

Jazz, you need to go. Max. You and Ilhan Omar need to do a tour. I want you to sell the tickets. I want you to go to every deep blue district you can find, and I want you to sell those tickets. Go to Berkeley. Go straight up to the in.

D (34:11)

No, no, not Berkeley.

H (34:12)

Go to the big. Go to every swing state.

B (34:14)

Go to the swing state tour. Swing state tour. Jasmine Crockett and Ilhan Omar. You can bring Rashida Tlaib if you want. And you just tell everybody we need more of you, that we need to open our borders and more green cards and more visas for all of you because you are such a disgrace to your countries. And we. And I tell you what, everywhere they go, Blake, we are going to be flocking to the polls to vote for no more unfettered mass migration. The globalists are gonna lose every time you open your mouth. So please, just be extra special this Christmas.

H (34:50)

Yes.

B (34:50)

Be extra special this Christmas we'll call it.

H (34:52)

We have 40 seconds left. I think this is a good day to highlight. There are good people on the base who are honoring Charlie getting involved like that student. And there are real wins. We're dismantling disparate impact. We have literally secured the border. We've secured it so hard, we can't even report on it anymore because nothing is happening there anymore.

B (35:12)

And by the way, I just want to say, this holiday season, my prayers are with the brave men and women at DHS and ICE that are leading the mass deportations in places like Minneapolis. God bless them.

C (35:30)

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