EXPLOSIVE Arizona Audit Update + the Human Toll of a Politicized FBI

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Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: EXPLOSIVE Arizona Audit Update + The Human Toll of a Politicized FBI

Date: July 16, 2021
Host: Charlie Kirk

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Episode Overview

Charlie Kirk discusses two major themes:

1. The alleged politicization and misplaced priorities of the FBI, with particular focus on its handling of the Larry Nassar case versus investigations into the Trump campaign.
2. Updates from the Arizona election audit and the latest revelations from the Georgia ballot review, including claims of election irregularities.

Charlie frames the discussion with his signature conservative, grassroots activism, emphasizing concerns about government accountability, law enforcement priorities, and election integrity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FBI Priorities & the Human Cost of Politicization

• Comparison of FBI's Response: Charlie criticizes the FBI for failing to investigate serious crimes, specifically referencing the egregious mishandling of sexual abuse allegations against Larry Nassar, former USA Gymnastics physician, while allegedly focusing resources on investigations targeting Donald Trump and his campaign team.
• Timeline of Nassar Case:
  • Internal allegations referred to FBI in July 2015, yet little action was taken for months ([04:40]).
  • "Our own government was too busy to actually investigate and prosecute Lawrence Nassar for criminally sexually abusing children." – Charlie Kirk ([05:04]).
• Political Distraction Allegation:
  • During the window when the Nassar case languished, the FBI was "concocting a plan using Carter Page and a FISA warrant to spy on Donald Trump" ([07:10]).
  • Charlie references Peter Strzok’s infamous texts and contends resources were inappropriately shifted to political priorities rather than pursuing “evil people like Lawrence Nassar” ([07:40]).
• Systemic Issue:
  • Kirk claims that weaponization of law enforcement has led to a lack of prosecution of serious criminals while agencies focus on political opponents ([10:00]).
  • "The opportunity cost is you destroy your political opponents, but then you allow evil people to roam free" – Charlie Kirk ([10:45]).

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2. Election Integrity Concerns: Georgia & Arizona

A. Georgia Ballot Allegations

• Tucker Carlson Clip (Cut 59):
  • “You can't have a democracy if the public doesn't believe election results. Increasingly, many people in this country don't believe them.” – Tucker Carlson ([14:33])
• Double-Counted Ballots:
  • Claims that 36 batches (over 4,000 votes) in Fulton County, GA were double-counted – primarily for Joe Biden ([15:34]).
  • “That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s a fact.” – Tucker Carlson ([15:34])
• Video Evidence:
  • Surveillance footage allegedly shows ballots being scanned multiple times by the same worker ([21:15]).
  • “There's a video of a woman in yellow just throwing ballots through the machine. That is in violation of state law, federal law.” – Charlie Kirk ([21:56])
• Audit Sheets Discrepancies:
  • Claims of fabricated numbers and unreconciled tally sheets, including batches where Biden’s votes were reported as higher than present ([22:52]).
  • “A batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden and 42 for Donald Trump was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump.” – Tucker Carlson ([23:32])
• Mail-in Ballot Issues:
  • Whistleblower provides images of unfolded mail-in ballots, suggesting they were never put in envelopes ([24:20]).
  • “Clearly have never been inside an envelope.” – Charlie Kirk ([24:47])
  • Whistleblower says ballots appear printed by machine/printer, many supporting the same Democratic candidates ([26:05]).
  • 200+ ballot images not counted in hand recount ([26:35]).
• Voter Residency Problems:
  • Data claimed showing 35,000 Georgia voters cast ballots in a county they no longer lived in, which is illegal ([29:27]).
  • “It is illegal. But things are only illegal if they're enforced.” – Charlie Kirk ([29:45])
• Water Leak Scandal:
  • Recounts the infamous ‘water leak’ that halted vote counting in Fulton County, later “a leaky toilet,” which Charlie frames as a pretext for stopping the count ([31:44]).

B. Arizona Audit Update

• Audit Team Introductions & Overview:
  • Doug Logan (Cyber Ninjas CEO), Ken Bennett (Audit Liaison), and Ben Cotton (Digital Forensics) introduce their roles and backgrounds ([34:36]–[36:30]).
  • Video and description detailing unprecedented transparency and procedural rigor in the audit, with bipartisan volunteers and careful chain of custody ([38:21]–[45:17]).
  • “The transparency, the accountability, the integrity and the overall chain of custody is something that is incomparable to any audit that's ever been conducted in the United States.” – (audit video, [38:21])
• Security Measures:
  • Badging, legal ID, controlled access, COVID protocols, and 24/7 live streaming for accountability ([45:17]).
• Chain of Custody Details:
  • Bennett describes how ballots and machines were received, inventoried, stored, and tracked ([50:32]–[59:58]).
  • Continuous armed security, two-person handover signatures for every movement of ballots, and full documentation to ensure tamper evidence ([55:54]).
• Missing Documentation & Challenges:
  • Audit team has not received complete chain-of-custody documentation from Maricopa County, despite subpoenas ([59:58]–[62:47]).
  • “I've received kind of the answer that we gave you, everything we're going to give you.” – Ken Bennett ([62:14])
• Ballot Handling Issues:
  • Inconsistent or absent batch sheets (“pink sheets” and “blue sheets”), loose procedures, and lack of serial numbers on duplicate ballots, hindering one-to-one ballot verification ([63:33]).
  • “We found, I would have to say, thousands of duplicate ballots where those serial numbers are not on them.” – Ken Bennett ([69:10])
  • Without serials: “If the corresponding numbers aren’t on there, how would you know whether it was duplicated once or ten times?” – “You wouldn’t.” ([72:18])
• Digital Forensic Process:
  • Ben Cotton details forensically imaging all digital devices with “zero changes” to the original media, underscoring standard of care and videotaped chain of custody ([74:31]–[78:21]).
  • Assurance that any claims the audit process tampered with equipment are baseless, as all steps are documented and auditable ([80:31]).
  • “We did not modify, we did not change any chips, we did not access anything other than the hard drives… So if there were any changes to the original equipment, those had to have occurred… in custody of Maricopa County, not with the custody of the auditors.” – Ben Cotton ([78:47])
• Legislative Suggestions:
  • Discussion about the need for legislative reforms concerning voting machine certification and ballot handling to address identified process gaps ([81:20]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On FBI priorities:
  “The Federal Bureau of Investigation, according to their own inspector general report, was more worried about putting a general of the United States who served his country heroically in jail than Lawrence Nassar in jail.” – Charlie Kirk ([09:20])

• On public trust in elections:
  “You can't have a democracy if the public doesn't believe election results.” – Tucker Carlson, via audio played ([14:33])

• On ballot chain of custody:
  “We have accountability in every action that took place on that floor.” – Doug Logan ([45:19])

• On duplicate ballots & serial numbers:
  “We found, I would have to say, thousands of duplicate ballots where those serial numbers are not on them.” – Ken Bennett ([69:10])

• On Georgia ballot issues:
  “Factually, at least 36 batches of mail-in ballots from the November election were double counted in Fulton County. That's a total of more than 4,000 votes.” – Tucker Carlson ([15:34])

• On government response to evidence:
  “If you did what they did with custody of devices, you’d go to jail.” – Charlie Kirk, referencing missing/deleted phones from the Mueller investigation ([18:30])

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Important Timestamps

• [04:40-10:45] – FBI and Larry Nassar timeline, politicization thesis
• [14:33-32:05] – Georgia election claims: double counts, video evidence, mail-in ballot issues
• [34:36-81:20] – Arizona audit panel introductions + full procedural breakdown, issues with documentation, audit methods, and digital forensics
• [69:10-72:40] – Duplicate ballot issues, challenge of verifying without serial numbers

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Final Thoughts

Charlie Kirk frames the episode as an exposé on government and media priorities, drawing a contrast between what he portrays as neglected real crimes and “politicized” law enforcement. The Arizona audit update is presented as historic in scope and transparency, while the segment on Georgia reiterates claims about election irregularities.

Kirk repeatedly appeals for further investigation and legislative reform, urging audience vigilance and further discussion, especially on conservative media platforms.

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Transcript

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Therefore, when we talk about when we allocate political power, we need to ask ourselves, what is the priority, especially when it comes to law enforcement? Now, the obvious is that we should care about the most heinous crimes. In particular, we should care about the types of crimes that are almost unspeakably evil. When we look at law enforcement, law enforcement should be first and foremost focused on making sure that child sex trafficking is not occurring, that gun smuggling is not occurring, making sure that foreign terrorism threats are not embedding themselves into our country. Very basic things. But as we have seen the American political landscape start to embrace and indulge this idea of using political power to try to destroy your opposition, we now see the brutal and human cost of politics. We now see what the cost of, of playing Republican and Democrat in our own government is. Yesterday a report was published that got very little coverage, which was an investigation and review of the Federal Bureau of Investigations handling of the allegations of sexual abuse by the former USA Gymnastics physician Larry Nassar. An absolute scumbag of the lowest possible order. But he credibly accused by so many different people, young ladies that were taken advantage of by Nassar. He was employed as a physician and associate professor at Michigan State University. Many of you remember hearing about this in the news and his pattern of abuse. And so he preys on young women. And where is law enforcement? Well, if you read this report, do you read what has now been published by the inspector general? You realize for years leading up to the eventual revealing of this pattern of behavior, our own government was too busy to actually investigate and prosecute Lawrence Nassar for criminally sexually abusing children. In July of 2015, a USA Gymnastics internal investigation into the allegations of sexual assault by Nasser against several gymnasts. It was referred to the FBI's India Indianapolis field office. The allegations, reported the FBI, came from Jet Gymnastics who were minors at the time. But almost no investigation followed. In September 2, 2015, the Indianapolis Supervisory Special Agent, another special agent from Indianapolis, conducted a field office interview by telephone. However, the FBI Lansing resident agency is never informed about the allegations at all. September 4, 2015, the FBI Indianapolis field office informs USA Gymnastics that information related to Nasser and the Nasser matter has been sent to the Detroit FBI field office. But that never actually happened. So meanwhile, he's allowed to continue to sexually abuse children, young ladies who are gymnasts. In May of 2016, USA Gymnastics officials meet with the FBI field office. Approximately eight months of inactivity by the FBI in investigating the Nassar allegations. May 11, 2016 as well, Le La field office finally opens an investigation into Nasser after months of doing nothing and ignoring these tips. In September 12, 2016, the Indianapolis Star publishes an article detailing allegations against Nassar made by four by two former gymnasts. So why was the FBI so incompetent? It's because they're actually not as incompetent as you might think. It's because they were distracted with things they cared about more during this exact period of time. They were too busy concocting a plan using Carter Page and a foreign FISA warrant to go spy on Donald Trump. This is the cost of politics. The cost of using government for your own political means means that scumbags and evil people like Lawrence Nassar are not going to be investigated and prosecuted. So beyond the illegal nature of spying on President Trump, despite the illegal nature of using Christopher Steele, I should say with the dossier spying on Carter Page, which we know happened during this period of time. Now, do you know what also happened in the summer of 2016 when this occurred? Peter Struck Stroke Smirk was texting his adulterous lover Lisa Page, saying we're not going to allow him to get elected. You see, Peter Struck Stroke Smirk was not worrying about criminal sexual abusers at Michigan State University. The FBI wouldn't be distracted by such means of protecting children. They wanted to destroy Trump. And so, as we recognize that there are limited resources and all things that involve human beings, limited time, limited money, why is it that our own government has been allowed over the last couple years to ignore legitimate crimes against our own citizens while entrapping a duly elected president and his presidential campaign 2016 and didn't stop there. In January of 2017, this continued and the FBI was still dragging their feet. And what was the FBI doing? The FBI was sending Peter Strzok into the White House according to his own three oh twos that have now been declassified to entrap. Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. The Federal Bureau of Investigation, according to their own inspector general report, was more worried about putting a general of the United States who served his country heroically in jail than Lawrence Nassar in jail. Our own FBI was more concerned about going after George Papadopoulos than a serial child sexual abuser in Michigan. Our own FBI was more worried about going after Roger Stone and Paul Manafort on half truths and rumors than people that are the lowest level of existence that we could possibly imagine. What I'm getting at is that there is a cost to all things in life. And the cost of politics in our government is very simple. The opportunity cost is you destroy your political opponents, but then you allow evil people to roam free. How many years have I been telling you about Relief Factor? A lot. Truth is, I know millions of people. In fact, some people say over 100 million people are struggling with some kind of pain, maybe from exercise or just getting older. Now, Pete and Seth Talbott, they are on a mission. You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment. They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and want to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year. And I believe they'll do it. So here's the deal. Go to relieffactor.com that's relieffactor.com or call 800-583-84. People ask me, tell me why Relief Factor is so successful in lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question. So maybe you want to be able to do cartwheels or be able to do back flips like producer Andrew. 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No. What's a priority is to make sure that that Donald Trump guy never becomes president. Because, as I quote, Peter Strzok texted Lisa Page and said, we are not going to allow him to win, that we are not going to allow Donald Trump to win. We have that in a text message. And so we have this new inspector general report that shows the brutal and human cost of politicizing everything. You walk through this, you realize that there wasn't just an indifference from the FBI. They just almost couldn't be bothered by it. And then it begs the question, how many criminals like Nasser are walking free and doing this right now in America that are currently not being investigated or prosecuted because the FBI is too worried about infiltrating or monitoring groups that they do not like? How many other criminals are walking free right now because field offices are too worried about the political nature of law enforcement? The more I dive into this, the more I realize that the intel agencies in our country have a disproportionate amount of power. There is no check and balance against the law enforcement agencies. People do not go to jail equally for doing the same things. They do not get even prosecuted or investigated equally for doing the same things. In fact, yesterday, Tucker Carlson had a bombshell show, as we predicted, where he dedicated serious amount of time about this new story out of Georgia that shows that thousands of ballots were put through the machine multiple times. Let's go to cut 59. Tucker Carlson says that without people trusting an election, you cannot have a country. And how increasingly people not trusting them. Before you play that, we've been saying this for the last couple months. I was at an event here in Fargo, North Dakota last night, and I asked the audience, I said, how many of you guys trust the election? No hands went up. And the other side is totally uninterested in trying to remedy that. They don't care. Instead, they say, no, no, we're gonna use political power to crush you. Play cut 59.

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You can't have a democracy if the public doesn't believe election results. Increasingly, many people in this country don't believe them. The solution to that problem, and it's a significant problem, is not to scream at these people call them lunatics or throw them in jail. The solution is to tell the truth about what happened. The only way to restore trust in our system is with facts. So what are the facts about the election in Fulton County, Georgia?

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What are the facts? Cut 61 Tucker Carlson said at least 36 batches were double counted. That's a total over 4,000 votes. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is not a conjecture. It's a fact. In fact, Brad Rothen Spurger, the head of the head, the Secretary of State of Georgia, who we've gone after quite a lot on this program, has now called for the Fulton county people to resign and Brad Rothen Spurger came out back in January and December despite all the pressure we put on him and he said there was no voter fraud. It was a perfectly executed election. Everything is wonderful and perfect. Play Cut 61 so here's what we know tonight.

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Factually, at least 36 batches of mail in ballots from the November election were double counted in Fulton County. That's a total of more than 4,000 votes. Those numbers come from a group called Voter GA, which along with Bob Cheeley, sued to get them. The final tally from the double counts we know about amounts to more than 3,300 votes for Joe Biden and 865 votes for Donald Trump. Now, before you dismiss Bob Cheeley and Voter GA as dishonest partisan actors, keep in mind that the strongly left of center Atlanta Journal Constitution appears to agree with this, at least in outline.

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So what's the explanation for this? Well, if you ask Fulton county, these discrepancies, the ones you just saw on the screen, were isolated incidents, just a handful of bad ballots. Happens all the time. The county claims that any errors were caught in previous recounts. The problem is that neither one of those claims is true. Surveillance footage obtained by Voter GA appears to show large numbers of ballots being scanned multiple times. Pay attention in the tape we're showing you to the woman wearing yellow at the desk. According to Voter ga, she slides ballots into a scanning machine, removes the ballots, and then reinserts the same ballots. This happens multiple times. The question is, how many times were those ballots counted? Was each vote counted more than once?

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Now, where's the Department of Justice, Bill Barr and the Department of Justice now run by Merrick Garland? They're too busy prosecuting Trump supporters and people in Trump's orbit. Did you just hear what Tucker Carlson said on national television? There's a video of a woman in yellow just throwing bouts through the machine. That is in violation of state law, federal law. If there's ever been a time for the Department of Justice to step up, it would be now. Don't count on it. Instead, they're gonna do the opposite. Remember, Biden's Department of Justice is coming after Georgia state legislators for passing a voter integrity bill. But it's not what you see. There's no voter fraud. Of course not. It's a lie is what we're told. But what about the tally sheets? As the Democrats say, the tally sheets, they correlate, don't they? Well, they were obviously falsified. Cut 63 now one way to know

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the answer would be to check what are called audit tally sheets. Tellingly, for months after the presidential election, Fulton county failed to provide more than 100,000 of those tally sheets, including 50,000 of them for mail in ballots. When voter GA finally forced Fulton county to turn over the tally sheets, the conclusion was stunning. Here's what the audit found. Quote, seven falsified audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals. For example, a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden and 42 for Donald Trump was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump,

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100 for Biden and 0 for Trump. Cut 64 Tucker on the whistleblower exposing pictures of unfolded mail in ballots that clearly have never been inside an envelope before. We play cut 64 I just want to re emphasize the obvious. We are dealing with an incredibly fragile situation here. We now have mountains of documented evidence that our law enforcement agencies are not interested in it at all. They could not care less because they want Biden to be president. That you are seeing that we are covering. The country cannot continue like this. It is not sustainable if people that are allowed to just run ballots with machines do that and then a political party protects them.

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Play Cut 64 We've obtained photographs showing what went on during the recount process for mail in ballots in Fulton County. These pictures were taken by a whistleblower who participated in the recount. She said she noticed something odd. As she did, none of the ballots that she saw had any creases on them. You can see the stacks of unfolded ballots on your screen. Now that's strange because of course mail in ballots need to be bent in order to be mailed in. These ballots clearly had never been inside an envelope.

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Clearly have never been inside an envelope. I want to encourage all of you though. We are going to win this fight. The truth is on our side. The COVID up and the action that went into it is now being brought to light. I know some people. I get emails. Charlie, I'm sick of hearing about this. It's over. Biden is president. That is not the right way to approach this. This was an injustice against our country. And by the way, you might not like Trump. Some people email us not liking Trump. But you might want, you want to have Chuck SCHUMER Run the U.S. senate if this Georgia nonsense was put in place, and maybe David Perdue would have actually understood the forces organized against him, the Senate would be in Republican hands right now. Instead, establishment Republicans have been perfectly fine sitting idly by while this injustice continues. We are on the razor's edge of totalitarianism. Cut 66 Tucker Carlson says the whistleblower tells us that the ballots were filled out by a printer, not by hand, and that there were over 200 ballot images that were not counted in the November recount. And the Atlanta Journal constitution, the Democrat New York Times equivalent in Atlanta, they agree.

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Cut 66 and then the whistleblower noticed something else. All of the ballots, the whistleblower tells us, have been filled out by a printer, not by hand. And many of them supported the exact same candidates. Democrats, including Joe Biden. Voter GA detected a series of other apparent irregularities in the recount. The group's audit found, for example, that quote, over 200 Fulton county mail in ballot images contained votes that were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election.

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200 Fulton County Mail and ballot images containing votes that were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election. We're on fragile footing, everybody. This is not sustainable when half the country is perfectly fine and they're perfectly content with all of this that has now been revealed and they just simply don't care. In fact, they're happy because they think they got away with it. They're chuckling at us because all they have to do is they have to just say it's the big lie. You Q A non person in the hills, if you dare speak out of line, we'll throw you in solitary confinement. You understand? That's the message that they're sending. If you don't have elections and all of a sudden the leaders that are in place are not actually a reflection of the people. They're a reflection of who can game the process the best. They're instead a reflection of who is able and willing to blur the moral lines to get into power. And I could tell you right now that the more pressure we put on the story, the more they are going to fight back. But God bless Tucker Carlson for using his primetime show to reveal this. And I have a very simple question and I would love to hear from you. Freedomarliekirk.com where are the other people on television and radio? Why are they not talking about this? Why? Now that we have verifiable evidence of this, it is radio silence on The Western front. Are you afraid that they might call you bad names? Afraid you might lose advertisers? God bless Tucker Carlson for having the courage and the clarity and the conviction to elevate this to the largest cable news audience in television history. Let's go to cut 67. Tucker Carlson on election election expert found that 35,000 votes voters moved out of their county and they still voted in their own county. That is illegal. And again, I want to just think about this. In 2016, when Trump won Wisconsin by 10,000 votes, do you think if there was a video of a Trump supporter in rural Wisconsin putting ballots to the machines multiple times, do you think that would have resulted in an investigation or questions from the Democrats? If there were folded up ballots that were never in mail in ballot envelopes in Michigan when Trump surprisingly won Michigan, do you think that would have warranted investigation? Do you think that the Department of Justice and the FBI would have went after those people that did that? Of course, that's not the way the country is currently configured. Code 67.

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And then there's this. An elections expert called Mark Davis analyzed data from the post office. He found that nearly 35,000 Georgia voters moved out of their county of residence more than a month prior to election day. They were ineligible to vote, and yet they did. They still voted in their old county. That is illegal.

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It is illegal. But things are only illegal if they're enforced. When they're, when people know that there is no punishment for your crime, why not do that? Remember, Biden only won Georgia by 12,000 votes. I put that one in quotes. Now we have this evidence of people throwing ballots to the machines. And for whatever reason, so many Republicans are silent on this, they're afraid to weigh in on it. Quite honestly. This is why when I asked the audience last night in Fargo, are you who here feels betrayed by the Republican Party? Every single hand went up. The Republican Party only exists currently as an anti Democrat party. No one actually goes and votes for Republicans. Cuz they're so enthused about them. Cuz they do very little to actually defend our values and fight for our country. They're just there because we know they're gonna get in the way of Democrats if we scream loud enough. And so here we have a series of our freedoms and our liberties being routinely and systematically destroyed. And quite honestly, silence from so many of our leaders on these issues. Remember the water leak? Because they said that that was what's happening in Fulton County. The water leak was a fraud and a scam to be able to have these people act in this way without oversight. The news let's play cut 70. The water leak in Fulton, Georgia actually ended up being a leaky toilet. Cut 70. There is now a hitch in the tabulation of votes. I'm standing in Fulton County. Fulton county includes a chunk of Atlanta. They had counted 86,000 absentee ballots. We don't know how many more they have yet to tabulate.

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But all the tabulation of those ballots

[D]

has now stopped, halted vote counts.

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Election night, it was later learned, was not in proximity to any of the votes being counted. It was simply a leaky toilet that became the pretext to stop the voting in that arena in the middle of the night.

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A leaky toilet in that arena in the middle of the night. If you wanted to turn this country into permanent discord, this would be a good way to do that. I'm telling you right now, half the country does not trust our elections and our leaders are doing very little to try to remedy that. And where that heads from here is you're going to have this country tear itself apart very soon. And that's an awful thing. In fact, I believe the American left wants that. Instead of answering our questions and saying, you know what, that is kind of weird that that woman on the video is putting those ballots through multiple times. They're saying, no, no, you actually don't see that two plus two equals five. Did you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode? It says that your activity might still be visible to your employer, your school, or your Internet service provider. How can they even call it incognito? To really stop these people from visiting from seeing the sites you visit, you need to do what I do and use Express vpn. Think about all the times you've used the WI fi at a coffee shop, a hotel, or even at your parents home. Without ExpressVPN, every single site you visit could be logged by the admin of that network. And that's still true when you're in incognito mode. What's more is your home Internet provider, I'm talking about Comcast, AT&T or whatever, can also see and record your browsing data. ExpressVPN is an application. It's an app that encrypts all of your network data and reroutes it through a network of secure servers. So your private online activity says just that. Private ExpressVPN works on all of your devices and it's super easy to use. So stop letting strangers invade your Online privacy protect [e-mail] Charlie use my [e-mail] Charlie that's expresvpn.com Charlie to learn more, we're about to take live the Arizona audit that is happening right now. Senator Karen Fann from Arizona. Let's listen in live

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the speakers who are here as President Fan said she's the Senate President. I'm the Judiciary Chairman, Warren Peterson. If we could just start with the three who are here to speak. If you could just introduce yourself and maybe provide us with some of your background and credentials. So we'll start here with Mr. Logan.

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Thank you Chairman Peterson. I want to thank you Chairman Peterson and Madam President, for all the support that you've given for the audit. I think it's transparency has always benefited our democracy and it continues to be an honor to work with you to bring transparency to our election process. As you know, I'm Doug Logan. I'm the CEO of Cyber Ninjas. I've held several industry recognized certifications such as the Certified Information Systems Security Professional, GIAC Web Application Penetration Tester and the GIAC Certified Incident Handler. I have personally done work for companies such as JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America. And my company regularly works with Fortune 500 clients and the federal government. Specifically our specialty is in application security which allows us to be experts in complicated application systems systems such as voting systems. For this reason, we're actually pulled into the work in Antrim, Michigan and it was my team that helped assist Matt DiPerno with a lot of the findings they've had associated with specifically election software.

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Thank you. Mr. Bennett.

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Yes, I'm Ken Bennett, the Senate liaison to the audit. I have an accounting degree from Arizona State University and have been a private business businessman for 35 years with a variety of companies including an 83 year old family business up in the Prescott area. Served as the Senate president from 2003 to 2007, also as a senator four years prior to that. So eight years in the state Senate from 99 to 2007. I also served as the Secretary of State for the State of Arizona from 2009 until 2015. And as I said, I have been asked to be the Senate's liaison to the audit. Thank you.

[G]

Thank you, Mr. Cotton.

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My name is Ben Cotton. I am a court recognized expert witness in digital forensics in incident response and I have over 25 years experience performing these tasks both for the US government and for private industries such as law firms. We have specialized in providing these types of services. Now as a private company since 2002, and we continue that support within the industry to this day.

[G]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you very much. Okay, Mr. Logan, I'm going to ask you to please open this segment up so that we can just walk through where you've been, where we're going, what you need to continue going and get to the end results of whatever those results might be. I know that from the get go and the very beginning we said that we were not going to release any information until the audit was completely finished. But we are at this juncture where I believe you want to share some information with us because of the reasons why we have not still received the things that were on the original subpoena that Maricopa county is withholding from us, as well as additional information you're going to need to complete this full forensic audit. So I will turn to get us kicked off here.

[H]

Awesome.

[G]

Yes.

[H]

Madam President, I think what I'd like to start with is we've actually put together a short video that gives an overview of what we've done with the audit and some of the details associated with it. So could we put exhibit A up on the screens, please?

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I think it's all my years as a county manager and working at the executive level in local government, I've never seen a process so unprecedented than this audit. The transparency, the accountability, the integrity and the overall chain of custody is something that is incomparable to any audit that's ever been conducted in the United States. It was an important part of the process in identifying the individuals to assist us in the audit. Background checks had to be done, social media vetting took place. But we didn't care what party you were, whether you were Democrat, Republican, independent, Libertarian, far left, far right. As long as you entered the building with good intention, knowing that you were going to follow a sense of accountability, that you had integrity and to do the right thing. This is what it was about. We wanted everybody in this building to be beyond reproach. With over 1500 volunteers and 200 paid staff. We had people from all over the country and all walks of life. It was important because our chain of command was vital to the structural management process of the audit. We had vice presidents, we had managers, and then we had table managers. But people came from all over, from Pennsylvania to Iowa, from Virginia, Washington, D.C. and of course, the state of Arizona. We had retired FBI agents, retired IRS auditors. We had technical professionals. We had CEOs of companies, election workers and supervisors. We had consultants. We had even a United States Air Force General who had retired, who spent every day working tirelessly to make sure the audit was done with quality. Although it was only Maricopa county residents who voted in the last general election that were able to count ballots and votes, it was important to know that everybody in that building was there for one common goal and that was to validate the election results and seek out and find any vulnerabilities to provide feedback that would enable Maricopa County's election process to get better or to provide findings to the Arizona Senate for them to take the necessary measures to restore confidence in the Arizona voter. We had many measures that were implemented to ensure the safety and security of the people within the facility. Badging was something that was very important where a person to get into the facility had to present their badge. Also a legal ID be on a list. Another important aspect to this was our COVID protocol that we ensured that we did not have any issues pertaining to Covid and people were required to wear masks while on the floor. Any visitors or state delegation personnel that came into the building were also escorted. We had first aid stations on hand and we had a reunification site set up in the event we had to evacuate. The premise training was very detailed and extensive. Everyone went through an orientation process before they broke out into their specialized training. If you went to accounting table, you learned what the spinning process was. You actually did a practice tally sheet. You learned what the positions were that were involved in processing ballots and taking ballots off, what table managers did and what pod managers did. If you went into paper examination, you went to a lab where you worked directly with the microscopes and the camera technology in processing the ballots, and the importance of making sure that qualitative images were taken while processing those ballots. In the paper examination area, buzzwords were often used such as integrity, accountability, chain of custody, beyond reproach, and transparency. And this was the culture that was developed for anyone that stepped in this building. The floor operations had many different moving parts. We had the ballot corrals that stored the ballots and staged the ballots in different ways from regular storage to staging for paper examination and for staging for further investigation. You had paper examination stations that would then take ballots from the box and process them to obtain the images that were necessary through DSLR cameras and four different microscopes that obtained information from from each ballot. You had aggregation that would then take the results of the counting tables and input that data into the system to ensure that the proper counts were correct. During that process, Ballots didn't move without three things. People, paper and observation. The people who moved them, the paper trail with the chain of custody that followed it, along with the camera observation that did not at any time allow box to not be seen. The handling of ballots was also very important. Once a ballot box was cut open and the ballots were removed, it was important that we ensured that the ballots were put back the exact same way they were pulled from each of the ballot boxes. Our goal was to make sure that Maricopa county received the boxes back with all the artifacts in it, along with the order of the ballots, the exact same way that we received them. I think with all the outcry of concern the election results displayed, it was important for the Arizona Senate to bring in an independent to evaluate the results. This was done in a way that was unprecedented, that had never been done before with the detail and the forensic side of the audit. But it was also important to be done in a bipartisan effort with the intent to provide feedback to Maricopa county to enable them to get better in their election process or to provide findings to the Arizona Senate to enable them to create measures that would ensure that in the future that the residents of Arizona could have confidence in the election process.

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Thank you.

[H]

That just gives a brief overview of really our heart in doing all this. We've tried to design everything to implement the biblical concept of beyond reproach so that we would not even have the appearance of evil in anything that we do did. The amount of live streaming we have there has been unprecedented. I do not know of another audit that has had so much transparency and video captured. We actually captured with all our data, over 2 petabytes of data for you don't know, 1000 terabytes ends up being a petabyte. And the vast majority of that was video footage. So we have accountability in every action that took place on that floor. There's a lot of great American patriots that are out there. They're part of this process who gave up time away from their businesses, who gave away, often putting in leaves of absences where they are, to make sure they be a part of this. I think in total, we had over 1,500 people involved in the audit process. Of those, about 1,100 of them were actually volunteers just doing there to do their patriotic duty to make sure that we have integrity in our election process. We had, I think it was over 80,000 hours, working hours or man hours of time that was spent in what we did at this stage in time. We have tallied all of the ballots, We've done paper examination on all of the ballots, and that data is still being worked through. The only thing that we have left is we're working through some of the last bits of aggregation to. To make sure all these numbers are perfect, because we totally understand how much focus is on us right now and how important this is to our country and really to our nation. And we want to make sure that everything we do is as spot on, as accurate as possible.

[B]

Thank you very much. I'd like to interject just something at this time that I wanted actually to say in our opening remarks, just for the record, because we do know that there's been some misinformation out there and we have said from the day one. And I'm glad to see some of my fellow senators here in the audience with us, because it is our entire Republican Senate body that wanted to pursue this. The important thing that we wanted to make sure everybody knew, which we told you as well in the very beginning, is this is not about Trump. This is not about overturning the election. This is never been about anything other than election integrity. This is the epitome of what America stands for. And if we do not have faith and confidence in our electoral process, then everything we do in life is jeopardized. There was a poll that was recently done that 45% of people in Arizona, according to that poll, believe that we have serious problems with our elections. Whether that is true or not, whether they are rumors, unfound accusations, or legitimate problems. For whatever reason, as a Senate body, we felt that it was our obligation and our duty to answer our voters, our constituents, answer those questions and either confirm what they were afraid of or thought or heard, or that we proved that those things were not true, so that they could go back to the polls and they could vote with confidence, knowing that their ballot is sacred. I just wanted to make sure that everybody is fully aware that this is all this is about, is an election integrity. And are we following the rules? Are we following the procedures? Have we done everything we possibly can to make sure these are fair, clean, clean, honest elections? If we do find anything, not us, but you as a vendor, if you do find anything, of whether we can pass laws that would help ensure that we have more integrity in the future? If our procedures perhaps are lacking in some way, this is a great opportunity for us to be able to say, let's fix that. Because that's what the Senate body does. We pass laws. We have accomplished this because the Constitution gives us the right to subpoena information for the purpose of passing laws. And with that Information gives us the tools to be able to either tweak existing legislation or create new legislation to make sure that the sanctity is always there. So I just wanted that on the record. Mr. Bennett, I am going to go to you next. I want to hear. Thank you so much. You have volunteered your time for many, many weeks here, free of charge. And with your past experience, it was great to have you step up to the plate and offer to be our Senate liaison, particularly since we were still in session and we could not be there because of your expertise as being a past Secretary of State of Arizona and. And a Senate president prior to me. I would like to get your take and we would like to know what happened when the ballots arrived, what was the process you observed, and help us walk through that stage. So I'm turning it over to you at this point.

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Okay. And I should start probably by thanking others who have assisted me in the liaison process. Julie Fisher, Randy Pollinator, John Brakey, Brandon Slayton and probably others have been a tremendous help in overseeing this process and interfacing between the Senate and the audit. So I'll speak primarily to the chain of custody. We received the ballots and the equipment on two days, April 22nd of this year. The equipment arrived mostly on the 21st. And I think there were a couple pallets that came with the ballots on the 22nd, compliments to Maricopa County. They were very professional in the transfer of the chain of custody from them to us. Co Elections Director Scott Jarrett was very professional, along with several of his staff that helped in that process. We received 1691 boxes of mostly ballots, but other items, Mr. Jarrett and his staff's help. We worked through every one of those and checked every box. We worked through some minor discrepancies that we resolved. There were 26 mismarked boxes. There were eight boxes present on the pallets that were not on the manifests. There were a couple boxes on manifests that were not present. I think there were three boxes that were on different pallet numbers than the manifest indicated they were. But we located them on other pallets. Of those 1691 boxes, they arrived on 46 pallets. Two of the boxes were data cards, hard drives, fobs, other things that we transferred over to Ben Cotton's group for the data analysis. In the process of doing the audit, some personally identifying information was discovered in two boxes kind of stuffed in with the ballots. I think it's the kind of the practice of a county as large as Maricopa where you have multiple, you know, Thousands of boxes. They have to make sure that those boxes are filled to the brim. So that if that box ends up on the bottom row of a pallet stacked on top of each other, that they can hold the weight. So they kind of build bricks, as one of my assistants kind of calls it, where you make sure that the boxes are full. And in a couple of the boxes we found a variety of counter slips. I think was the first box that ran into. And the auditors took great care in making sure that no personally identifiable information was compromised. So we took personally identifiable information out of two boxes and segregated those in their own two boxes. We found personally identifiable information in the spoiled ballot boxes. And that ended up creating. Creating 16 new boxes of PII, as we called it, in two of the braille uacava ballots and even some other ballots. I think Doug might talk to that in a little more detail of those. But so we separated those and that created two more boxes. And then eventually cipher, after going through the equipment, returned the two data boxes that they had. So we went from 1691 boxes at the beginning, 1711 boxes on 47 pallets. As far as the equipment, we received the nine volume scanner machines, four called HI Pros and five canons, 20 adjudication stations, four EMS workstations and the EMS server, along with some other miscellane equipment that was on 16 pallets. Again, we received that on April 21st. Box on the pallet was co signed by Mr. Jarrett and myself, as were the 1691 boxes that I mentioned earlier. We also received precinct tabulators. Those were on 24 pallets. Well, not pallets. I guess you would call them racks or rolling carts. And so we identified each and every one of those by serial number. The nine high volume machines, the 20 adjudication stations, the four EMS workstations and the EMS server. Mr. Cotton's company collected the forensic data off those and he'll speak to how they did that to make sure that.

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Mr. Ben, if I could just interject. Could you tell everybody what ems?

[E]

I'm sorry. EMS is the Election Management System.

[B]

Thank you.

[E]

Ben will speak to how they collected that data using equipment that could read only and do no damage to the original evidence that the copies were made from. But the high volume machines, the adjudication stations, the election Management system, workstations and servers were returned. So we had the equipment about nine days, or at least those pieces of equipment. We would have returned the other 385 precinct tabulators, but I think Ben will speak to that as well. We still do have the precinct tabulators. Both the equipment and the ballots were in locked cages. During the entire time that we have possessed the ballots and equipment with limited access. I think most of the time there probably maybe two people that had keys to the ballot corrals. We called them armed security outside every time. Yeah, we also had 24 hour guarded armed security both inside and outside of the building. We had 24, seven live stream on the ballots and the equipment during the entire time that they've been in our possession. Doug spoke earlier that that's a very significant part of the two petabytes or whatever you said was of data that we have collected. While we have had the machines and the ballots in our custody. We have continuous and complete chain of custody on every box and every machine, even and especially during the time when we had to move over to the Wesley Boland building and store the ballots and machines while the Coliseum was used for the high school graduations. The return back to the Coliseum and now we're back at the Wesley Boland. But during all that process we have had continuous and complete chain of custody while everything has been in our possession. It was shown on the video that every time a box moved somewhere on the floor, it was signed out by somebody in the corral to somebody who took it to a table. It was received at that table by signature. So every time a box moved, two people signed for it and then the reverse when it was returned. And just kind of for your information, when we returned these boxes, most of what we received were boxes sealed with regular packing tape. I think there were 52 boxes that were used in the hand count audit by Maricopa county that were sealed with tamper evident tape. But the other 1600 and some odd boxes were just sealed with regular packing tape. It's our intent and and commitment that when we return everything to Maricopa county that we will reseal the boxes. And as the video stated, we've gone to great lengths to make sure that the same ballots that were in the boxes when we received them are in the same boxes when we returned them. And I think in the same order that we found them. When we close these boxes in the next few weeks and return them to Maricopa County. County, we will do so with tamper evident tape to seal the boxes and then a numbered seal across the top opening that will be recorded with each box so that there's a tamper evident tape and a numbered seal that will be on every box that we return. And I think that speaks primarily to the chain of custody. At some point, when we talk about things that maybe we ought to be considering as far as statutory changes or improvements, I can talk about some of the things that the election Procedures Manual of the state of Arizona and our state statutes require as far as the storage and security of ballots.

[B]

Can we go ahead and since we're on the subject of chain of custody

[E]

and storage, well, one of the things that we subpoenaed that has not been provided is the chain of custody that should have been created when ballots were received by Maricopa county and while they were going through the process of the election. If you go to chapter 8,

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I

[E]

think it's V5, Roman numeral 5, subsection E, storage and security of ballots, it reads that official ballots must be inventoried upon receipt and prior to distribution to voting locations. Item three. Well, item two is they must be accessed by election staff only to the extent necessary to perform their authorized task. A key one though is third, they must be second, stored in locked secured location that prevents unauthorized access, as we have done. And in that number three, it says it must be documented with a written log or with electronic keypad access that indicates the date, time and identity of the person accessing the ballots. Fourth, must be witnessed by two or more election staff members of different political parties if possible when being moved or transferred, which includes an inventory of the ballots before and after the the move or transfer. And then the last item is very important as well since we use ballot on demand printers in many of the counties around Arizona, that the officer in charge of election shall also implement reasonable security procedures for auditing and accountability of blank ballot stock for use with on demand printers. So part of what we have been trying to get, in addition to

[A]

the

[E]

ballots themselves, is a chain of custody from the very beginning of the process when the county took ballot stock and or pre printed ballots from their vendors and a chain of custody ever since then, which is still forthcoming.

[B]

That was on the original subpoena and we have not received it.

[G]

Madam President, just If I may, Mr. Bennett, what's been the response when you've asked for that and you but what did they, what did, what did the county tell you?

[E]

They've provided us what they're going to provide us with.

[B]

So they're, are you saying they're refusing to give us that information at this point?

[E]

They every time I've tried to interact with the folks at the elections department, I've been told that I need to deal with the county attorney's office. And most of that time I've received kind of the answer that we gave you, everything we're going to give you. I'm trying not to be flippant, but that's.

[B]

We appreciate that. As a past Secretary of State, I know you're familiar with the handling of ballots. I know that. You know, a couple months ago, Senator Peterson and I had our first update brief and there were some things mentioned about bags that are sealed at some point and apparently unsealed at some point. There were boxes that you opened and there were broken seals at the bottom. Could you explain to the best of your ability how are ballots supposed to be handled and treated from when they're at the voting centers or at the polling stations? And when you received those ballots and you opened those boxes, what did you find? Could you walk us through what we should be looking for?

[E]

Well, in many of the boxes we found pretty much a very little existence of any ballot batch sheets that would describe how many ballots should be found in their batches. Maricopa county processed the election in 2,341. Excuse me, 10,341 batches. Most of their batches were right around 200, but they had 20 some batches that were one ballot per batch. And they had other batches of ballots, mostly from the voting centers that were around 1,000 in a batch. Some of the boxes you would see a batch number on the outside of the box identifying it as election day. So it came from a polling location. And if there was just one number, then you would infer from that that there's only one batch in there and it was a large batch from a voting location. As ballots are processed at the voting locations, I think Maricopa had 171, I believe, voting centers, when those are processed, they're bagged and locked in sealed bags and sent down to the central counting location. They are opened again there and when they are put in the boxes, we found some of the cut seals and things like that. So the fact that we found some cut seals was probably it was easier to throw them in the bottom of the box, then throw them in the trash can somewhere. And it doesn't speak to anything violative of state law or election procedures manual. But that apparently is the way that some of the people disposed of the seals. It came from the bags at the voting centers, the ballots that are handled at the central count, which is the vast majority of the ballots in Maricopa County's situation of the 2.1 million or actually 2,089,563 ballots that were processed, approximately 1.9 million were processed through the mail and therefore at central count locations. And about 168,000 ballots were processed at the other at the 171 polling locations when. When those ballots are put in those boxes. In some cases we found pink sheets. We and they Maricopa county called them that would say below this pink sheet there should be 200 ballots, but two were taken to duplication and show there should be 198 as was reported earlier. And I think Doug may speak to it again. There were some discrepancies earlier. There are quite a few discrepancies found. But it was later discovered that the county has blue sheets that are used at a different point in the process to identify a time in their process where ballots are again sent to duplication. And so the blue sheets explain that the pink sheets would go from 200 to minus 2 to 198. A blue sheet might get you from 198 to. We sent another six or seven to duplication, so the number would change again.

[G]

Madam President, Mr. Bennett, to that point, what were you given the blue sheets? Have we been given the blue sheets?

[E]

We were not given the blue sheets by Maricopa county, but we were able to get the blue sheets through one of the assistant liaisons organizations, Audit USA Attitude Tucson, who requested by public records request the blue sheets and then provided those to the audit. And I think they've been helpful. Doug may speak to that further as to explaining some of the discrepancies that are not entirely explained by the pink sheets that we sometimes found in the box. Sometimes we would open a box and all the pink sheets would be stuffed down the side vertically. And you really at that point had no idea of where you would insert those pink sheets in between batches of ballots to account for the sum of the ballots in the box. I think a lot of this may stem from standard procedure where we've not done many audits and most counties have put things in boxes knowing that they're going to be sealed up, put on pallets, shrink wrapped and put in a warehouse for 22 months and then destroyed. And usually nothing or nobody's ever being looked at or looking at them. In this case, I think we have discovered that we could probably use a little beefing up in our election procedures manual and or state statutes as to how things are documented and stored in an organized, consistent fashion in boxes in case other audits are done in the future. But there's no. I can find no election procedures Manual directives or state law that says you have to put them in the boxes in this specific way. But that may be something that we need to look at.

[B]

Anything else you want to add at this point?

[E]

Yeah, the only other thing, I guess, that I was personally involved in on a couple of, not the only other thing, but and other thing that I was called to one of the counting tables is when we started opening duplicate mallets, there was almost one whole pallet of ballots that were called original damaged ballots sent to duplication. And then there was quite a few boxes, mostly on one pallet, but scattered amongst three or four other ballots where the duplicates were supposedly there for the duplicates that were sent to duplication. So if a ballot gets damaged and has to be sent to duplicate duplication, there is a very specific process in the Election procedures manual, chapter 10, Roman numeral 2, section 3, procedures for duplicating a ballot. This stems precisely from Ars16621a, which says that they are to record an identical serial number on both the original and duplicate ballot, including spoiled duplicates. This ties the ballots together and creates a paper trail is required by the statute ARS16621A. We found, I would have to say, thousands of duplicate ballots where those serial numbers are not on them. And so it has created great difficulty to try to match up a duplicated ballot to its duplicate. And on thousands of the ones that a serial number was put on, they were put on by a, I guess you would call it like a dot matrix printer, very, very light. And unfortunately, they ended up being printed on the ballot on the top, usually top right part of the ballot where the black square alignment marks are on the ballot. And so if a very light gray number is printed on little black boxes that are a quarter of an inch apart, you see one number and you miss the next and you see the number and you miss two. And it made for some very difficult matching of duplicated ballots and their duplicates, which, as I just read to you, one of the most important things you need to do when you duplicate ballots is reflect a serial number on both the duplicate and the duplicated so that you can do two main things. One, make sure you have one for every one of the other, and two, make sure that you can look at the votes reflected on the duplicated ballot and make sure that they reflected those correctly from the ballot that was damaged and was duplicated duplicate. So without those serial numbers, it gets very difficult. We found some nice bright red serial numbers on many, but some very difficult to deal with light black numbers on many others and none whatsoever on many others.

[B]

If the corresponding numbers aren't on there, how would you know whether it was duplicated once or ten times?

[E]

You wouldn't.

[B]

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

[E]

Unless you meticulously kept track of the total number in each group, which I think Doug's organization has done, to see if the totals match at least.

[B]

You said that when we return these ballots, I am hoping that you guys and will help make sure that they are given to the Arizona county treasurer. It's my understanding.

[E]

Maricopa county treasurer.

[B]

Right, the Maricopa county treasurer. It's my understanding that our statutes say that they're supposed to be turned over to the treasurer at a certain point, and they were not. Are you well aware of that as well?

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Yes. Okay. When we return those, you mentioned that you were going to put tamper evidence tape with a number seal on that. You also mentioned that everything you have done, you have put back in order. And you mentioned everything has been filmed with all of these petabytes of stuff. So if anybody opens those boxes, we will know that somebody has opened those boxes and everything that you have just said. And if anybody needs to see that themselves, upon court order or whatever, we will be able to not only view that on film video, but we could also go to the physical evidence and break that seal, hopefully into court order and go directly to exactly where you have said this has happened. Is that correct?

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Great. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Peterson, Senator Peterson, I'll turn this over to you at this point.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Madam President, I'd like to jump into the cybersecurity, the digital evidence, if I may. If that's okay with you, Mr. Cotton. What so far has been completed for the digital forensics portion of the audit.

[C]

So we have completed the forensic acquisition of all of the items that Mr. Bennett just mentioned that were provided to us by the county. And I'd like to take a moment to walk through that process a bit to help everyone understand the forensics fidelity and the standard of care that we took to ensure that there were zero, and I repeat, zero changes to any of the original media or devices.

[D]

Okay, go ahead.

[G]

Go ahead.

[C]

So as part of the imaging process, first of all, chain of custody is extremely important. As we previously discussed with the ballots, that standard of care also was transferred into the digital imaging and preservation of that data. So upon receiving each of these digital devices, we filled out an evidence acquisition form that started the initial chain of custody for the acquisition within the digital forensics and analysis piece of this audit. On that form, we carefully recorded all of the serial numbers. We then leveraged what is known in the industry as a write block device. Now, a write block device is used

[G]

and as a matter of fact, how is write spelled?

[C]

So write W, R I T Wright.

[G]

As in right?

[C]

As in right.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

And the sole purpose of this device is to prevent any modification of the original evidence that is plugged into it.

[H]

Okay.

[C]

This is accepted within our judicial system as the methodology needed to be utilized for anything to be admitted into court and to maintain that standard of care for the digital forensics chain of custody. As part of that acquisition, we then took a bit for bit copy forensics copy of each of the digital devices. At the end of that copy, we applied what is known as a MD5, a machine digest 5/7 value to that acquisition. Now, when you think about that, it is a digital fingerprint of that evidence that we just acquired. If anyone changes even one bit of data within that evidence file, it will totally invalidate the MD5 and create a totally new signature on that particular piece of evidence. Okay? So for every device that Mr. Bennett mentioned that we imaged, we performed that exact process. We know who imaged it, we know when they imaged it, we know where it was imaged to, and that is a controlled item within our evidence and chain of custody handling procedure. We then took those digital copies and we maintain one of those digital copies as primary evidence. And so we lock that away in a US Government GSA approved safe to ensure that no one would access it and that it is there as the primary evidence. For the basis of our analysis, we then created examination copyright that we have used for the determination of the cyber security status and other aspects of those of those systems. So I must reiterate, not a single bit of data was ever changed on any device that came into our possession.

[G]

So, Madam President, Mr. Cotton, are you saying that the machines were not damaged or tampered with in any way where they couldn't be used again, and if they were, you have implemented, people could check and see whether that was done,

[C]

Senator? That is correct. So we have exactly a bit for bit image of these systems as we received them. We did not modify, we did not change any chips, we did not access anything other than the hard drives for those systems. So if there were any changes to the original equipment, those had to have occurred within the custody of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, not with the custody of the auditors.

[G]

Okay.

[B]

Mr. Peterson. Senator Peterson, may I ask a question? Yes, of course, Mr. Cotton. Well, we're trying to keep this official. Mr. Cotton. Recently in the news, I don't know if you have heard or not, but our Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, made a statement a few weeks ago that she would not allow these machines to be used again because she could not verify that we had. Not you, not us. You had tampered with them. I don't. Election goes on to make sure that those machines haven't been tampered with, that they are calibrated correctly. And I believe they do that also after an election. So I have this question. I don't understand. How can the Secretary of State say that she can't certify the machines weren't tampered with when supposedly we have people that certified people that come in to certify machines aren't tampered with? It doesn't make sense. Could you explain that to me, please?

[C]

Madam President, I certainly understand your confusion and I share that with you. I'd like to also reiterate that as part of our evidence handling procedure, we had cameras watching over our evidence storage facilities and our acquisition and replication procedures. 24 7. Okay. So any form of tampering certainly would have been caught on video. However, we did not do anything of the sort that would have interfered with any of the machine configurations or any of the allegated tampering that the Secretary of State has alleged.

[G]

Madam President, if I may just. This is more of just, I think, a comment or a statement along with your concern here. And I think this could be something we need to look at legislatively if we have a process. And from what I've heard, it's about $8,000. You know, the county did an audit for 8,000 or $20,000, whatever it was, to certify and make sure the machines were not tampered with. And this is also part of a process. But before an election, if that process doesn't work, then, and we're saying that is not valid because somebody doing an audit ruins that and you can't recertify it. It sounds like that we need to have something else. There needs to be another process that works that you truly. Maybe it's the truly certification and verification that machines have not been tampered with process. I don't know what it's called. But anyways, I share your concern. I think that's a good bullet point for us to be looking at for future legislation.

[A]

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