Hillary Clinton Is Back, And She's Going After Allie Beth Stuckey

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Podcast Summary: "Hillary Clinton Is Back, And She's Going After Allie Beth Stuckey"

The Charlie Kirk Show | January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, tackles two major storylines embroiled in America’s contemporary culture war: the media firestorm following Don Lemon’s high-profile arrest at a Minneapolis church protest, and Hillary Clinton’s public criticism of conservative Christian author and podcaster Allie Beth Stuckey. Kirk and co-host Blake dissect the narratives emerging from both events, arguing they reveal manipulative trends in progressive activism, the power of emotion-driven social media campaigns, and the ongoing “assassination culture” stoked by the political left. Allie Beth Stuckey joins the show to discuss her book, "Toxic Empathy," and responds to Hillary Clinton’s attacks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Don Lemon’s Arrest & The Media Backlash

Segment: 01:27 – 08:57

• Overview of the Arrest: Don Lemon, prominent journalist, is arrested in Minneapolis while participating in a left-wing church protest.
• Kirk reads a statement from Lemon’s lawyer, which claims Lemon’s First Amendment rights were violated and frames the arrest as an attack on press freedom.
  • Charlie Kirk (Host): “None of this is true. None of it is remotely true.” (02:01)
• Blake debunks the lawyer’s narrative, asserting Lemon was not simply reporting but actively collaborating with protesters by disrupting a house of worship.
  • Blake: “This guy went and joined a group of people who busted into a church during worship to harass a worship leader... That is helping a bunch of people harass someone.” (03:11)
  • Charlie Kirk: “He actually on video kissed the lead protester, said thank you for your service, cheered them on. There he is kissing the protester.” (03:50)
• They highlight what they see as routine media hypocrisy—comparing American law enforcement actions to Russia and China—by quoting media figures like Brian Stelter and Molly Jong-Fast.
  • Brian Stelter: “A disturbing escalation against reporting in America... this is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding.” (04:31)
  • Molly Jong-Fast: “Think about the countries where journalists are targeted... Russia, China, Turkey. They're not democracies.” (05:14)
• Kirk and Blake assert Lemon violated laws (18 US Code 241, 248) and is not above the law, mocking Lemon’s prior statements:
  • Don Lemon (2019, soundbite): “Nobody is above the law. Nobody’s above the law.” (07:06 & 07:18)
• They critique protesters’ claims of oppression, with Blake calling comparisons of being handcuffed to slavery “the closest she’s ever been to slavery,” and Kirk saying this just demonstrates her “privilege.” (08:22-08:51)

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2. "Assassination Culture" & Leftist Martyr Narratives

Segment: 09:38 – 13:00

• Kirk paints a broader context, alleging a new culture in which people are willing to die (or kill) for ideological causes like immigration activism, equating it to martyrdom but for “illegal immigrants.”
• They discuss the Luigi Mangione case, noting media sympathy for left-wing violence while warning about “jury nullification” trends favoring leftist offenders.
  • Blake: “We've seen this with the attacks on [ICE] where the left will basically do jury nullification...” (11:00)
  • Charlie Kirk: “Let's hope that doesn't happen. But you're absolutely right to flag it as a concern.” (11:19)
• Kirk laments how the left has, in his view, hijacked patriotism, faith, and family to fuel these new movements, creating an “ideology” that turns empathy into a weapon for “assassination culture.” (12:34-16:19)

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3. Social Media Manipulation & The Propaganda Machine

Segment: 16:19 – 18:56

• Kirk and Blake argue social media algorithms promote rage and divisiveness, even targeting conservative-Christian users with anti-ICE and anti-enforcement content.
  • Charlie Kirk: “What is she seeing? Even in her Instagram feed, she's seeing rage-bait, anti-ICE slop... it's leading to kamikaze Karens in the streets of Minneapolis...” (15:26)
  • Blake: “It's an extremely powerful emotional manipulation machine...” (16:19)
• They reference escalating activism and violence as being egged on by emotionally charged narratives that build up over years (George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, BLM), culminating in what Blake warns could be future attacks on law enforcement. (16:19-17:35)

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4. Interview with Allie Beth Stuckey

Segment: 19:11 – 37:54

Introduction and Context:

• Clinton’s Critique: Hillary Clinton calls Stuckey the “Commissar of MAGA morality,” criticizing her book “Toxic Empathy” for allegedly warning evangelicals against compassion that leads to liberal policies.
  • Charlie Kirk: “She called you... the Commissar of MAGA morality, which goes so hard.” (19:52)
  • Stuckey: “I just appreciate that she gave me two blatant examples of toxic empathy...” (20:45)
• Stuckey’s Response:
  • Explains that real compassion doesn’t require supporting destructive policy—seeing the humanity in migrants or victims does not mean, for her, supporting open borders or abortion.
  • “That compassion should not lead us to affirm sin or support really destructive policy...” (21:08)

Manipulation of Outrage & Emotional Imagery:

• Kirk and Stuckey discuss the selective outrage illustrated by tributes (like a new Bruce Springsteen song) for left-wing martyrs, contrasting it with lack of attention for victims of illegal immigrant crime.
  • Charlie Kirk: “We have no songs for Lake and Riley. We have no songs for Rachel Moran...” (22:05)
  • Stuckey: “They now have victims that they can venerate as saints and as martyrs... They are going to leverage your natural compassion...to manipulate you...” (22:23)
• Stuckey traces this to Instagram “rage bait” and recounts the emotional, viral black square movement during BLM, emphasizing the challenge of competing against an emotionally compelling photo with facts or reason.
  • Stuckey: “Imagery is compelling...When that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it, it is really hard...to compete against an image with logic...” (29:01)

Addressing Propaganda and Solutions:

• Blake advocates “abolish all social media”—a tongue-in-cheek push for radical solutions—but Stuckey opts for careful, truth-based messaging and a revitalization of critical thinking.
  • Stuckey: “Sometimes it doesn’t matter what the facts are, I was told verbatim, multiple times... you just have to express your empathy. And that is where I was like, nope, that is leading us in a really, really bad direction...” (34:36)
• Stuckey finds hope in a “growing resistance” among Christian and conservative women who are now more skeptical of viral narratives and more willing to ask what’s true before joining social media campaigns.
  • “Now, in 2026 ... I see more people like me who have platforms who are willing to say, I'm not going to join in with that. At least I'm going to take some time to figure out what's really going on...” (34:36)

Concluding Calls for Moral Courage:

• The hosts and Stuckey warn listeners to cultivate “moral courage,” to “not allow their emotion to arrest their critical thinking,” and to push back against rage-bait narratives online.
  • Blake: “That flattening of virtue and morality is why empathy should not be your guide. Why moral truth has to be your guide... Allowing your compassion to be guided by what is true, what is logically, factually true, but also what is biblically true...” (37:21)
  • Charlie Kirk: “The truth is unchanging. Stay anchored to it.” (37:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk (on narrative manipulation):
  “The left has managed to hijack traits of patriotism, faith and family, three things that they actively oppose. Yet they still understand the power that could be wielded by these ties.” (13:29)

• Blake (on media amnesia):
  “You could, like, even move on and change your views. And it's like total amnesia that it ever happened...” (28:10)

• Ali Beth Stuckey (on virtue signaling):
  “If you can't be fair, just be quiet.” (27:54)

• Charlie Kirk (on critical thinking):
  “We are losing our ability to think critically, and we have to call it out and hopefully see a revitalization of critical thinking skills and independent thinking.” (18:56)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Don Lemon’s lawyer reaction & arrest facts: 01:27 – 07:45
• Discussion of protest organizer’s “slavery” claims: 07:45 – 08:51
• Leftist martyrdom, assassination culture, and global trend: 09:38 – 13:00
• Social media rage-bait and manipulation: 15:26 – 17:35
• Pattern of emotional activism campaigns: 17:35 – 18:56
• Allie Beth Stuckey segment—Clinton’s attack, empathy debate: 19:11 – 21:26
• Selective outrage & legacy of viral image narratives: 22:05 – 29:01
• Propaganda cycles, solutions, hope for resistance: 29:01 – 37:54

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Conclusion

The episode weaves together media criticism, culture war analysis, and a direct response to progressive critiques led by Hillary Clinton. By highlighting the dangers of emotion-driven activism, the hosts advocate for biblical moral grounding and critical thinking as antidotes to “toxic empathy” and social media manipulation. Allie Beth Stuckey’s interview grounds the discussion in practical strategies for resisting viral outrage, culminating in a call for moral clarity and courage in the digital age.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Blake]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. January 30, 2026. Just as an aside, my Twitter did get hacked yesterday and.

[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

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[Blake]

Assault on their democracy. My do. No, our democracy.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

That this is something you see in Russia, that this has been imported by the fascists in the White House, and everything's out of control. A high escalation. No. Okay, guys, none of this is true. None of it is remotely true. But shall we just start with reading Don Lamond's lawyer statement? Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for 30 years, and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists, whose role it is to shine light on the truth and to hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters. The Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention and resources to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. The unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly.

[Blake]

You can unpack like three or four different lies in this two paragraph statement. Statement like so. First of all, just that line really galls me. To protect journalists whose role is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. This guy was not haranguing a lawmaker. This guy was not disclosing classified documents. This guy went and joined a group of people who busted into a church during worship to harass a worship leader they say is involved with ice. That is not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone. And he's. And he's cheering it on as like, oh yeah, let's. That's the price of protest as all these kids sob. That six year old who's crying in church. Yeah, you're really holding the powerful accountable, Don.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Yeah. And there's that instance. But he actually on video kissed the lead protester, said thank you for your service, cheered them on. There he is kissing the protester. This is before.

[Blake]

Stress him out a little bit.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Yeah. She's now claiming that when she was arrested that she was like a slave because she studied this in school. Blake, you know, the power of a college degree.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I don't know, I kind of just doubt these people studied much.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Yeah, I don't know if they studied anything. So predictably, the media freakout is real and it is being led by none other than Brian Stelter fuming about his former colleague at CNN being arrested.

[Brian Stelter]

503, a disturbing escalation against reporting in America. And I would also put it in the framework of protests. You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests, especially the kind of provocative anti Trump protest action that we have seen makes the administration so uncomfortable. This is an action, this arrest of Don Lemon, this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting in Minnesota. This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding. They've been wanting to see it happen. When Trump promised retribution. This is the kind of retribution that some of his voters, not all, but some of his voters were wanted to see. And I think that is, for better or for worse, some of the context, what we're seeing this morning.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Molly Jung, fast, very, very upset if you don't know who she is, consider yourself lucky. 498. Think about the countries where journalists are targeted by the federal government, by their governments. Russia, China, Turkey. They're not democracies. I mean, this kind of thing, it's a. It's a shot across the bow right towards the free press. And it's scary.

[Blake]

I feel like I was time warping back to 2014 with that.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Countries where journalists are.

[Blake]

Has she ever worked at National Public Radio? I need to find out. National Public Radio doesn't pop up. That's impossible for me to comprehend.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Well, guys, he was just arrested for doing his job. 495. And again, I keep coming back to this, and the context here is that.

[Blake]

You know, Don Lemon has been an enemy of the MAGA movement for quite some time.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

He's disliked by the Trump administration. That doesn't matter.

[Blake]

What matters here is he was being.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

A journalist who was doing his job and has now been arrested for doing his job. Like, the reactions were so predictable.

[Blake]

So predictable. And just. Yeah, like, you know, I think he might have a defense if it was a 100% neutral report. And he's like, this mob is going in and, like, I think people should see what's going on. It still might rub a lot of people the wrong way. But, like, he would have a defense. But he's clearly on Team Protester. He's kissing the protesters. He's cheering them on as these children sob in his immediate vicinity. And he was told to leave and refused to do so. He is a collaborator with the forcible disruption of a worship event, which is illegal.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Yeah, well. And so he is facing, just to be clear. 18 US Code 241. Conspiracy to deprive rights. 18 US Code 248. Violation of the Faith Peace Act. Terrorizing Christians is a mistake. It is illegal to do so, especially in their home and their place of worship. Don Lamond, you are not above the law. Which leads me to the final quote that I would like to play, which is from don Lamond in 2019. 515. Nobody is above the law. Nobody's above the law. Can I get it again for the people in the back? 515. Nobody is above the law. Nobody's above the law.

[Blake]

We should have that as a sound bite. We can just, like, have them, like, chime that in every time I need a soundboard. We should do that. We should have that. Anytime one of these goons gets arrested, we just have Don Lamond's nobody. Heavenly voice. Hellish voice. Whatever descend upon us.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

I agree. We played this. This is Nikima Levy Armstrong. This is the organizer of this very ill advised protest. No, this is harassment. It's illegal. You can't do this in a house of worship. 506. We had belly chains around our waist and we had handcuffs with bars in the middle. As someone who majored in African American studies, I can tell you that that is the closest I ever felt to slavery in my life. Being shackled as if I was a slave.

[Blake]

Yeah, I'm actually gonna, I'm, you know, I'm gonna do something surprising. I'm going to agree with her. That is the closest she's ever been to slavery. Because America is not the insane.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Good take. She says good take.

[Blake]

She's not a slave. Thank goodness. Thank heavens for the Christian crusaders who made that reality.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Amen. And that's a good take. It's a really good take. It just proves that your whole life has been really, really privileged and really, really redeemed from previous eras and epics in which black people thank God.

[Blake]

The closest any of us will ever be to slavery is being handcuffed in.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

The back of the crime.

[Blake]

When we commit crimes.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

So. But here's the other thing. We just have to call it out. I studied African American studies and I know. And it's like, stop. Just anytime you start a sentence with here's my degree. This is why I, you know, I can have this opinion. You, you just need to stop because nobody cares. And by the way, if you're gonna claim that you got an African American studies degree or whatever, we're gonna really judge you because that's a stupid degree to get. I'm just gonna say it. You don't commit crimes. You don't break into churches. It's pretty straightforward. Okay. All right. I want you to consider the different situations where people would be willing to die. People would, would be willing to die.

[Blake]

In war in the past, maybe now people don't really commit themselves to things that often.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

People would be willing to die in war. Secondly, it's still happening. That's how I know it's true. People would be willing to die for their family, for their kids. Right. We commend a mom that would be willing to run in front of a bus to save her child. And people would be willing to die for their faith. We call them martyrs. Charlie was a martyr. But that's what makes what's happening in Minneapolis and around the country so disturbing, is because people are apparently willing to die to protect illegal immigrants that have no business Being in this country because they are brown coded and the law enforcement are white coded or imperialist versus colonialist versus oppressor versus oppressed. All of these frameworks are at play. It's an ideology, it's a cult. So assassination culture is one thing and we should talk about that with Mangione.

[Blake]

That's the other. That's the other news today. If people haven't heard, while we have had Don Lamont arrested, also today in federal court, they dismissed the highest murder charge against Luigi Mangione. That would have left him open to the death penalty. So death penalty is off the table for a guy who went and hunted a father because of the job he had and assassinated him in cold blood.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

So at the very least, we know he's going to live out the rest of his day.

[Blake]

I'm worried, you know, I'm actually worried on that front. It's just been one thing after another. The left, we've seen this with the attacks on ice where the left will basically do jury nullification for someone who does a ramming attack on ICE officers. It's 12 people. You need unanimity. You only need one of them to decide. Actually, I like what this guy did.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

It's true. Let's hope that doesn't happen. But you're absolutely right to flag it as a concern.

[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Today. And listen. Assassination culture is terrible. We've warned about it. Charlie warned about it, which is one of the tragedies of tragedies but for the ability to convince other people to sacrifice their lives for by death by suicide would be one thing, but death by suicide by law enforcement is a whole other thing. So this is what's interesting. So we commend martyrs in a faith sense. Christian martyrs are heroes. Charlie was a hero. We commend people that die in war for a righteous cause, and then there's people that will die for family. And what's interesting enough about this is that, you know, the left is a godless movement. They have abandoned God, they have distanced themselves from any types of traditional spirituality in the most part. And what's fascinating is that they have been convinced to do so for immigration, for illegal immigrants, for illegal immigrant criminals that have been oftentimes found guilty of homicide, child rape, trafficking, drug trafficking. And it is a fascinating show because the CIA would be jealous of this. The color revolutionists that we have talked about in foreign countries would marvel at the ability to get so many people en masse to believe a lie. And that is what we are watching. The left has managed to hijack traits of patriotism, faith and family, three things that they actively oppose. Yet they still understand that the power that could be wielded by these ties is so powerful, its motivation is so deep, that they come from these natural structures, these God given structures that we are all supposed to be behind. And they've hijacked them. And so they believe that they are in a literal physical war. Their religion of tolerance is under attack by the rule of law, by law and order. And they have substituted what is a real family, the nuclear family, the God given family. And now they talk about their comrades, the movement, the global citizenry, the oppressed, the marginalized. That's their new family. And so I just think it's a really fascinating thing. And where does all of this happen? It's happening on social media. The algorithms are designed to divide us. The algorithm on your social media is going to be different than mine, different than Blake's. The algorithms are going to give you what you want to see. They're going to reinforce your biases. They're going to reinforce the things that you already think, feel and see. So even when you see a counter opinion, that opinion is supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to send you off a cliff and think, how could these people be so ignorant? It's not gonna give you the content that maybe would help you see things from a different perspective. It's supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to make you hate those people. And Our next guest is going to be Ali Beth Stuckey from the Blaze. She's been calling out and warning about the Instagram slop that she is seeing now. She is a conservative Christian woman. She's one of the leaders of that space. And what is she seeing? Even in her Instagram feed, she's seeing rage, bait, anti ice slope. Even in her self selected conservative Christian female American algorithm, it is being inundated with anti a slop. And what is it leading to? It's leading to kamikaze Karens in the streets of Minneapolis that are willing to sacrifice their lives. It's leading to walkouts at high schools all across the country. We're seeing that here in Phoenix today and across the country. It's leading to a degradation and a delegitimization of law enforcement.

[Blake]

It's this. It's really scary if she's. And I'm not surprised at all because I remember George Floyd in 2020. I remember huge amounts. It wouldn't be slop at that time we didn't have AI, but it was the extreme vulnerability of people who should know better to this emotional manipulation of the left. It's an extremely powerful emotional manipulation machine to present you with images to make you feel bad, to really reinforce them with a lot of people all freaking out and at the same time. And you get in this bubble that can last really until everything boils over. And with Floyd, with Floyd Palooza, you remember, it took years to build up to that. It started like with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and they would come and it would go and it would come and it would go and it would get more and more intense. And finally they burned down half the country. Well, then people got a little over it. And we're seeing it with this ice where I think they're building up this bigger psychosis. And I'm very worried about where that might end up. Where they'll just get whipped up until finally some lunatic who sees, oh, Luigi Mangione is a hero and he's not even going to get executed. Or frankly, Tyler Robinson. Some people think he's a hero and they'll think I can be like that person. And they'll go and they'll buy a gun and they'll go and try to shoot a bunch of ICE agents. I think that is what they're building towards.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

I completely agree. And it's a pattern. They're playing us off the same pattern. It's the same people that believed and fell for the BLM and the Black Square hoax. Same people that believed in the pronouns in the bio, the believe all women, the defund police, the vax and mask. If you love your neighbor, all of the same things, they're falling for it again. And those same people are falling for it and spreading their influence all over Instagram and TikTok. Brett Kavanaugh's a rapist. Trump is a racist. Trump's Hitler. It's the same pattern to enrage, divide, to spread lies without anybody pushing back against them, because the algorithm has already decided that that's not gonna happen. Do not fall for the pattern. Do not fall for the rage bait, build up immunities. Think critically. And I really believe that that's the key. We are losing our ability to think critically, and we have to call it out and hopefully see a revitalization of critical thinking skills and independent thinking. We are joined by Ali Beth Stuckey, host of relatable podcast Blaze tv. Check it out there. Also, she is the author of a book called Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion. And that has been targeted by none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Remember her? Which is. Yeah. Which is so cool. Viewers, I am so jealous of Ali Beth Stuckey for getting targeted by Hillary Rodham Clinton. So without further ado, Ali, welcome back to the show.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Blake]

Can you introduce Hillary Rodham Clinton to our younger viewers? They may not be familiar with her at this point.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Hillary Rodham Clinton, back in the day. You know Trump. Everyone knows Trump, right?

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Well, yeah, I think we got that much.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Kamala Harris. But long, long time ago, when a lot of you were maybe just being born, he went up against someone named Hill. Hillary Clinton, she's not a newbie. She's got a long and storied history in American politics. And I was not expecting this new burst of publicity for me and my book that came out over a year ago from none other than Secretary Clinton, but here we are.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Well, congratulations. She has a lot to say about you. She called you the, I think, the Commissar of MAGA morality, which goes so hard. So hard. Very good. I mean, I love how she sort of filtered in her own little communist language there, her vocabulary. She says. The author of Toxic Empathy, who styles herself a voice for Christian women, has more than a million followers on social media. And it goes on. This Commissar of Maga morality targets other evangelicals whose empathy, she warns, has left them open to manipulation. Maybe they recognize the humanity of an undocumented immigrant family and decide that mass deportation has gone too far.

[Blake]

Or.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Or they make space in Their heart for a young rape survivor forced to carry a pregnancy to term and start questioning the wisdom and morality of total abortion bans, it's all toxic. To Stuckey, your response?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah, you know, I just appreciate that she gave me two blatant examples of toxic empathy. We should see the humanity in an illegal immigrant because they're made in the image of God. That should not lead us to. To want to prohibit deportations or the enforcement of our common sense immigration law. We should have compassion for the rape survivor who is now pregnant. That should not lead us to support the death penalty for the baby. So this is exactly my point, that we should be having compassion for all different kinds of people. But that compassion should not lead us to affirm sin or support really destructive policy, both for our families and for our country. So thank you so much, Hillary, for being an example of that.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

So this reminded me of a rant that. Please get me the clip, guys. The Greg Gutfeld rant. I can't find it right now, but it is so spot on. And actually, I said something similar yesterday, reacting to the Bruce Springsteen clip. He's got this new song out in the streets of Minneapolis, and he's talking about we won't forget their names as they roam and kill the ice agents, and we won't forget Renee Goode and Alex Preddy. And it instantly occurred to me, Ali, that we have no songs for Lake and Riley. We have no songs for Rachel Moran. We have no songs for Jocelyn Nungaree. We have no songs for Molly Tibbets. We do not have any of that. And yet the selective outrage is such that we have a song now for what's happening in Minneapolis. What do you think it is about Minneapolis that is so enraging for the progressive left?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Look, I think it's exactly what we're talking about. They now have victims that they can venerate as saints and as martyrs. We saw that. Of course, y' all talked about it with Anna Navarro saying that Alex Preddy was the kind of guy that you would want to bring home for your daughters. Just absolutely absurd stuff. You can debate what actually happened when he lost his life without elevating him to this level that they elevated George Floyd, which was basically that he was a perfect person sent by God to show us what injustice really looks like. And they're not going to waste a tragedy. They're not going to waste a loss, a loss of life. They are going to use it to advance their cause, which is chaos, open borders, destruction. This audience knows everything about that. But they are going to leverage your natural compassion, your instinctive empathy to manipulate you into believing that supporting their policies is the only way to be a good person and advance the cause of justice. And I just want everyone, this is the whole purpose of what I do, the purpose of my book, to step back and say I can see the humanity and Alex Preddy and Renee Good without supporting a policy that would lead to defunding the police or defunding ice. That would lead to more Lake and Riley's and more Molly Tibbetts and more Kate Steinle's. Because I love my neighbor. And by the way, Lake and Riley was my neighbor, too. And because I care about her and I care about innocent life, I'm going to continue to support immigration enforcement.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

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[Charlie Kirk]

How did we get here?

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Pull back. How did we get here? An open border that let millions in and you guys didn't give two Out.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Okay, not great.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

All right, all right. We had dozens of deaths where you didn't say Jocelyn Nungaree Lake and Riley. Rachel Morin, Molly Tibbets. Here's three pages of women who have been murdered by illegal aliens in the last, like seven or eight years. The seven or eight years that we've been here talking about this and mocked over it. He goes on. And I put it on my X page, so please check that out. It was vintage Greg Gutfeld. You have been calling out where a lot of this rage is coming from, though, and it's on Instagram. Now, you are a conservative Christian. You probably follow a lot of conservative Christians, and yet you have been observing a trend on Instagram. What is it? And why are you sounding the alarm?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

It's 2020 all over again. I remember when I Woke up on June 2nd or 3rd in 2020 and I thought my Instagram was glitching because I saw these black squares take over my feed, even from people who call themselves Christian conservatives. And maybe they had Bible verse underneath, but some of them said, you know, black lives matter. And the underlying common assumption in all of that was that George Floyd died because of systemic racism, because Derek Chauvin was racist. And the only question that I asked in my head and then later publicly was, how do I know that's true? How do I know that's true? And frankly, I had read too much Thomas Olen, Walter Williams at that point to be duped by all of it. So I just started pointing out that your compassion is lopsided. You don't have any compassion for all of these innocent people who are being killed by the rioters. That's the definition of injustice, punishment, punishing someone for something that they did not do, which is exactly what happened with the chaos of 2020. And the same thing, of course, is happening today. Everyone feels the pressure to signal their virtue. And what bothers me is that people who never pipe up about politics, who never say anything about what's going on when Biden or Obama is president, all of the so called kids in cages, the minors separated from parents and lost under the Biden administration, now feel the urgency to say, oh, I've got to pipe up about politics. I'm like, look, there's a long list of injustices that occur when Trump is not president that I and others would have loved your voice on. I never hear you talk about abortion. I never hear you talk about the kids whose bodies are being chopped up because they've been told that they are the wrong gender. I Don't hear you talk about any of those injustices. So at least be fair. At least be fair. But you should ask yourself, why is your public outrage completely dictated by what the liberal media says is wrong? And if you can't be fair, just be quiet.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Blake.

[Blake]

It's. There's something about this, like. It's that ability to just get. It's like a. Hitting a light switch. The ability to get whipped up entirely, selectively, based on who's in office, who, what's on the news, and it cries out for a better social, like, psychological explanation. And I'm not entirely sure what it is because, like, what's going on in this person's head, where you didn't care about these things until 10 minutes ago, suddenly it's all important. And then you. You could, like, even move on and change your views. And it's like total amnesia that it ever happened, which we've all seen. We've seen the people who were entirely whipped up, for example, in Florida Palooza. And then today, it's like it never happened. It. What? Why do you care about that? And it happened so many things.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Imagery is compelling. And when you put up a picture of a child in his little blue toboggan looking sad, standing alone with, you know, federal agents, that evokes something in you. And by the way, it should. That's something good in your heart. If you saw that picture and you're like, oh, my gosh, that poor child. But when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it, and that is what first circulates, it is really hard for me, for you, for anyone else, to compete against an image, to compete against a picture with logic, with questions. Telling people to not allow their emotion to arrest their critical thinking is really hard because we are all, especially women, emotional creatures. And as we've talked about, as Charlie talked about so often, the progressives don't have the same moral limits that we do. Whereas we don't want to lie, we don't want to misrepresent, even if it advances our cause. Progressives have an ends justify the means mentality. That means if this lie gets ICE agents off the street, then it'll all be worth it. It's just hard to compete with. Not impossible, but difficult.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Well, you think about it, Ali, because you think. Remember the Nicholas Sandman instance?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Where it was, it looked like this young maga. Young.

[Blake]

You know, they said a mob surrounded an Indian elder and harassed him for no reason.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

And it took years in a Massive lawsuit to clear his name. And I bet despite that, there is still millions of left wingers and progressives that only get their news from one or two sources that still believe that he was attacking an Indian elder. And you think about that, there are.

[Blake]

Still people who think Hands up, don't shoot was true. That was fake.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

And by the way, there's still people that think that a lot of people, by the way, that think it was somebody from MAGA that killed Charlie. Because these lies are allowed to be perpetuated and they're not corrected. But it's the first lie, the first image that ends up making the biggest impact. And right. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants. And that is really, I think, a tactic that is being weaponized and used because they know that it's effective. And to your point, they don't have the same restraints. I remember during some of the conspiracy theories that we were confronting, which by the way, you've been amazing on with Ali, I got a question from a very prominent person online and we were talking about, well, what do you do to confront them? And the question was posed to me, how evil are you willing to be? And I said, I'm not. And they said, well, that really limits your options here. I was like, okay, there was a piece here in the Federalist by Kylie Griswold and she's talking about the same phenomenon. I don't know if you've seen this piece of. She's talking about Instagram and she. Specifically for young women. She says the information is low, but the emotion is high. On Instagram. You'll learn that Immigration and Customs Enforcement used an innocent five year old as a bait and then arrested him. And she says, false. He was abandoned by his own illegal alien father. You'll learn that mother and legal observer Renee Goode was gunned down in the streets. False. She says the ice watch agitator aimed a weapon, aka her 2 ton SUV at a federal officer who had previously been run over by an illegal alien and then accelerated, hitting him and reportedly causing internal bleeding. You'll learn that the traumatic city's church disruption was First Amendment protected speech. And on and on it goes. What do we do? I mean, what can be done about this proliferation? Almost got it. Of highly emotional propaganda.

[Blake]

Abolish all social media.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Abolish social media. Well, you know, I've had an Instagram for about 10 years now and man, I feel like every two years it's another propaganda battle. 2016, of course, it was Trump 2018, it was Kavanaugh 2020, it was Covid and George Floyd. 2022, it was Roe v. Wade being overturned. When we had that flurry of lies about, oh, because of pro life legislation, women are dying in emergency rooms, we had to debunk that. 2024, we had the election. And now here we are in 2026, and we've got a similar situation. And so I feel like I've been through the ringer here. But the hopeful thing is that back in 2020, I felt like I was one of the only white female evangelicals who was like, oh, actually, I don't think I want to post a black square. And I was confronted by prominent Christian leaders that this is the wrong move, this is divisive, this is racist. You should be, you know, a part of reconciliation. You should have more empathy. That's what inspired my book. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the facts are. I was told verbatim, multiple times. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the truth is. You just have to express your empathy. And that is where I was like, nope, that is leading us in a really, really bad direction, because public messaging affects public opinion, which affects public policy, which affects the public. It affects people like real lives are lost when we defund the police, when we exacerbate the riots and things like that. So the encouraging part, though, is that now, in 2026, six years later, I do feel when I look to my right and left, not politically, but when I look around, I see more people like me who have platforms who are willing to say, I'm not going to join in with that. I'm not going to repost that. At least I'm going to take some time to figure out what's really going on. And then you've got other people who are, you know, courageous, being like, no, that's not. That's not the right narrative. And actually, like, there are other circumstances going on here. And I don't think that that's true. So I'm encouraged by that. There are more of us now than there were six years ago. And so we just got to keep pushing. Obviously, it's working, or Hillary Rodham Clinton would not be taking out 6,000 words and the Atlantic to try to urge women back into her folds of toxic empathy. By the way, giving a full response to Hillary Clinton later today on on My ch. But obviously they're scared, and so we gotta keep slugging.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

Yeah.

[Blake]

The best hope I can have is maybe you think of how, like, television impacted people when it first came along and it fried a lot of brains. You look at an old propaganda reel in World War II, and if you watch it today, you think this is really stupid. It's really in your face. And it just would not work anymore today because people have gotten used to it. And maybe that's the hope is with social media.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

It.

[Blake]

We're still in the first generations to encounter this and it cooks our brains really bad. But people who maybe entirely grow up in it will hopefully get used to the manipulation tactics it uses. And we have to hope that because as you say, it's not just that they're easily propagandized, it's also a really dark thing, is the flattening of what maybe we call it like flattening of your moral register, where it's very common on. For people on social media basically view a bad social media take or something they disagree with as equal or worse in moral heinousness to actually killing somebody, to actually committing a real life atrocity. And we've seen that over and over. There are people who have gotten canceled off social media who faced far worse effects on their lives than someone who committed a crime in real life where they'll get a moral cause in their favor and, oh, we need to make sure this person gets back on their feet. It's really.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

That's a great point.

[Blake]

It's very interesting. And it really drives home the importance of having good moral cultivation. I think we live with an ideal that it's like very easy. You can have naive morality and no, it has to be cultivated. It's why we need good pastors. It's why we need good religious leaders, because a big part of their job is to have that level of moral cultivation to get past that first hurdle of what's your immediate visual emotional response?

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

I totally agree. And we need moral courage from you in the audience. You listening to Ali show, listening to this show. We need you to get in the comments. When you see people manipulating you, propagandizing you with slop, you have to be brave. You have to be brave. And it's now where I think we're now at a iteration of this, where we need more and more voices to rise up. Ali, final 30 seconds to you.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah, you know, Blake, you just made such good points, both of you. But that flattening of like virtue and morality is why empathy should not be your guide, why moral truth has to be your guide, why virtue has to be your guide. It's not about getting rid of compassion. It's allowing your compassion to be guided by what is true, what is logically, factually true, but also what is biblically true. You can get exhausted by over untethered empathy, but God's ways stay the same and if you follow that, you'll be headed in the right direction.

[Charlie Kirk (Host)]

The truth is unchanging. Stay anchored to it. Ali Besta you. Thank you so much.

[Blake]

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