A (2:37)

Well, thank you so much, Mr. Hamm. I wanted to have you on the program because there's been a lot of chatter in the last week about fracking, oil and natural gas. Joe Biden was kind of tricked into telling the truth in the debate when Joe Biden said, well, I'm for fracking. And then President Trump continued to ask him questions and he said, well, I want to phase out oil and natural gas. What would this mean for energy production in this country, for middle class jobs and for this incredible industry that has seen a renaissance in the last couple years?

B (3:12)

Yeah, Charlie, that was really something to watch, you know, Joe getting caught in a big, undeniable lie. I mean, he's been lying to the American public forever and finally got caught in it. But, you know, if you go back and look at his voting record, in 1977, he voted for the Carter Energy Plan to basically, you know, eliminate natural gas at that point, gas and coal. Of the two, he chose coal and for all the electricity generation in the US that 1977. And basically, you could not use clean burning natural gas for the next 10 years. I mean, this is the same guy that did that. You know, everybody knew that was wrong. EIS said that, you know, you're going to put all these pollutants in the air in America and it's going to cause all these disastrous effects to the climate. And yet that's where he voted. So he caused the same thing that now he's saying we have to eliminate. But really it's all political. He wants to eliminate oil and gas because we're conservative business people in America. We've done wonderful things.

A (4:27)

Absolutely. And so when he talks about banning fracking and also banning oil and gas production, what does that mean for tax revenues? What does that mean for the funding of our schools? What does that mean for the middle class way of life that people in West Texas and Oklahoma and North Dakota and Pennsylvania have been able to enjoy?

B (4:48)

Well, actually, you know, Joe Biden doesn't even know enough about our business to know what's happened. Really, it's all about horizontal drilling. You know, putting long laterals in this tight rock that full of oil and gas in America that we have so much of. You know, that's what's made it possible to have the energy renaissance that we have. They use the F word because it's derogatory. You don't want to put us down, put us out of business. And so that's where that comes from. But we're talking about something that's going to touch everybody's life here in America. First of all, the direct jobs and any indirect jobs. We're talking 19 million people. This has driven the economy that we've had, you know, through the Trump administration. It's been fantastic. You stop that, you gonna plunge us into a depression here in the country. Plus I wrote an op ed the other day, talked about $6 gas, gasoline at the pump and you could definitely have that. I mean, he wants to take you back to a Carter like administration that scarcity versus abundance. We have abundance today. You know, it's brought us peace in the world, brought all these things. And Joe Biden, he hates us. He always has. So anyway, he wants to eliminate, but it's political. He wants to knock out all the Republicans and he thinks oil and gas is made up of Texas Republicans. Let me tell you, there's some Democrats on this thing too and it's going to affect a lot of Democrats consumers out there in America. So the voters know better than that. And they're not going to believe as sleight of hand that Joe Biden has had, you know, because he does want to knock out our industry. And let's see, he's going to knock out an industry that he thinks is unfriendly to them. Let's see how that works for him. I don't believe that American voters gonna go for it.

A (6:53)

Yeah. And he was so just upfront and brazen and saying, well, we're just gonna phase it out as if it's just so matter of fact that the incredible blessings that we have in this country should not be utilized for jobs, for tax revenue, for lower energy prices. Studies show that the American family saves hundreds of dollars a year thanks to oil and natural gas advantage that we have in our country. Not to mention that we're finally energy independent. Can you talk about how our energy independence helps us geopolitically? It makes us less reliant on Middle east oil, allows us to export oil, and it finally allows us to make foreign policy decisions without having to think that we need to have a stream of energy from the Middle East.

B (7:37)

Well, heretofore we had to count out to the Arab sheiks over there, instead of using normal diplomacy, we had to count out to them. And today we don't have to do that anymore. I mean, we're free. So he wants to trade these hard hats. So we wear an oil field for helmets again. So we're going to have to go over here and start fighting again. You know, we could never had peace break out in the Middle east, you know, under his policies, it could never have happened. So it's been amazing turnaround. What's happened? Joe's wrong all across the board. He's talking about subsidies paid to oil and gas. Oh, come on. There's nothing paid oil and gas. You know, I've drilled my share of dry holes, unfortunately, and nobody ever wrote me a check. But they do write checks for all the solar and wind, all the renewables. They get checks. They're paid to do that. So he's all messed up. Then he talks about stopping permitting on federal lands. Now, some people don't realize what that means. That means if you bought good leases from the government, paid them for those leases on federal lands, you can't drill. So you're going to lose all that. Now how fair is that? And I mean, we're not talking about fracking, we're talking about drilling. And a lot of these states, Wyoming, the Powder River Basin, that's all federal lands. Some of the Permian, New Mexico. Wake up, New Mexico. You know, pay attention here. That federal lands, you know, that's going to cease. And so, you know, it just goes on and on and on with Joe and Kamala Harris. They got caught and the president was so good to force them out. And the voters are listening and he's not gonna get by with it.

A (9:46)

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B (11:37)

Well, first of all, the young people, they need not to buy into this apocalyptic terms. You know by AOC. The world's going to end in 12 years, two years ago, so 10 years now it's gone. Let's pay attention here, you know, and don't buy that. You know, China is one putting in all these coal fired plants right now in the worst error possible. They're putting 300 of them in this year in those areas. The US has got the cleanest air ever since 1977. So don't pay attention to these apocalyptic terms. The world's not ending so we don't need to go to these extremes that they're talking about. And you couldn't do it. We're going to be run on hydrocarbons the next 60, 80 years regardless and we stop it here in America. Guess where you're going to be buying it. It's going to be the Middle East. You know, we produce cleanly. You know, we don't have the pollution that you're going to have in Russia and other parts of world for energy production. But that's where we're going to be getting it because people still have to have it and for lots of reasons. And you just can't do it. You don't need to do it and you don't need to believe them. And 100 trillion dollar plan AOC come up with. Come on. I don't blame Joe for saying no, no, we can't do that. But he's got one worse or just bad or worse, so you can't buy into it. And you're doing a great job, Charlie, talking to young people and making sure that they understand the ramifications of what he's talking about.

A (13:30)

Well, thank you. And we're doing everything we can to try and give a much more accurate picture of America's energy needs and the incredible assets that we have. We are the only major country on the planet that has private ownership of minerals. And because of that, we are more efficient, we are more innovative, we empower more entrepreneurs like yourself. Actually, I would love to have you talk a little bit about that before I ask another question about politically.

B (13:55)

You.

A (13:55)

Can you just tell your story very quickly? Because I think a lot of young people would be inspired by it. You started with nothing, and you have grown your company to be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the entire country in oil and natural gas. Can you just talk about how your story in energy is uniquely American story, whereas in other countries they have government ownership of minerals, it's just the government owns it. No entrepreneurs. But you really found kind of a niche and you were able to succeed.

B (14:24)

Well, land ownership here in America is unique. And you know, thank God the owners out there, the farmers, you know, that we deal with. But you know, I came from the drilling side and you know, technical side, I'm a geologist, you know, so find oil and gas real important to me and how we did it, but was able to perfect horizontal drilling. That's the ability to go down two miles, turn sideways and go another two miles. So was able to do that. Very fortunate. And as people like myself that did that. It wasn't anybody else, it wasn't the majors. It was the independent producers like myself that made that happen. So we found the huge Bakkenfield in North Dakota. We had a big find with Cedar Hills Field in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, you know, huge find up there. And actually those. I'll just give an example what that did for consumers at that time. Diesel cost was 450A gallon. With the prolific Bakken that had all these metal distillates in that oil, it drove the price down on diesel to 225, 50% of what it had been. So it's been a complete boon to the consumers. Let's think about what it does for farmers with all the natural gas we found in shale production. In Marcellus, Barnett had a farmer call in last week and he said, my God, if Joe gets his wishes, you know, we're not going to be able to make fertilizer out of natural gas. And so our price going to double. And that's exactly right. And so anyway, but it does. There's a lot of wealth that's created here in America. We've tripled crude oil production and more than triple natural gas production. So it's tremendous. But, you know, I did start from nothing. Our family had energy poverty. We didn't have electricity. When I was growing up, I remember seeing Rea come over the hills, put the poles in the ground, so we had kerosene lanterns. So I can appreciate having energy and what it means to everybody. There's still a billion people in the world that doesn't have electricity, for instance. So, anyway, I'm very fortunate. I, you know, grew up. I love the oil field. It has been very good to me. Fortunately, I contributed to what we have in America today. And with energy independence, it's been something. But I say that this is. This is bigger than all of us. It's really made America. We're a strong economy. We're at peace in the world. So I'm glad that I could play just a small role in Charlie.

A (17:36)

Well, it's very inspiring. And can you talk also about how petroleum does not just impact energy? I got a chuckle when Joe Biden said that he wants every restaurant to have plexiglass. Where does plexiglass come from? Not to mention your iPhone. So many other things in our life actually come from our oil advantage. Can you talk about how it's not just in energy, but in all walks of the American economy?

B (18:05)

Yeah. If we didn't have petroleum today, we wouldn't have his clothes on. We wouldn't be able to do this on Skype. You know, it be gone. You know, everything, all the plastics, you know, would be history. So it affects everything we do in a big way. So, you know, it takes a big part of our production goes into materials for everyday life that improves the quality of life for people.

A (18:44)

Yeah, that's very well said. So, in closing, are you seeing on the ground people that work in the fields and people that are involved in the industry? Are they in agreement that President Trump is the right choice for four more years? Is there a growing sense of anxiety in your industry about what Joe Biden would do, especially after the last debate?

B (19:06)

No, I think everybody got real serious. You know, the facts finally come out. This sleight of hand that they played, you know, they finally got caught, and thank goodness I got caught. You know, can you imagine if they hadn't what an administration would be with them in there, holy cow, America be forever changed. And it wouldn't be for the better, it'd be for the worse. And, you know, we've got to beat this guy. And everybody's working real hard to do it.

A (19:42)

Yeah, and I was just in Lubbock, and I was in West Texas, and right after the debate, you could see people all of a sudden, far more alert and engaged. You really could, because it's real. I mean, you're talking about the end of Midland, Odessa, you know, the end of, you know, these West Texas towns that have been incredible success stories thanks to the Permian Basin and a lot of the work that you have done. So My final question, Mr. Ham, is what is your specific advice in the next seven days to the President or to people out there that are trying to persuade energy voters? They might say, I don't know if I think Joe Biden might talk a good game about this. For example, in Pennsylvania, what do you think our closing argument around energy has to be?

B (20:34)

Well, they have to remind us, people, particularly in Pennsylvania, you know, that so much depends on this. They have to remind him of his voting record, what that has been, how he's precluded the use of natural gas in the past with the failed Carter administration. I know a lot of you young guys don't know what that is. All of us older guys do, and it was horrible. You know, you can't have that. And also the people that depend on us so much, the folks that in Wisconsin, Minnesota, that have the white sand mines, that we use their product, there's people all over the nation, all the manufacturing jobs is so much, you know, and they try to make it about personalities, you know. You know, try to run the President down. It's not about personalities. It's all the things that he stands up for, you know, and it's. It's everything. The economy, my goodness, how could you want a better economy than we've had peace in the world? How good is that? Is that. Is that not something. I mean, here's the. The prince of peace and prosperity. That's what he's been. So anyway, don't go for that kind of stuff. I mean, the President's done a wonderful job and, you know, stand up for him and make sure that you go out and vote. You know, we can't just have 137 million people vote in this election. They've tried to rush everybody out early before they got figured out and had a vote. So we've got to get everybody to the polls. You know, Everybody. We need 250 million people in this country to vote yes to overcome this surge that they put out there. And, you know, don't believe everything that they're telling you. You know, American people are very smart. The voters are very smart in this country. Figure it out. This time, make sure you vote for President Trump.

A (22:53)

Well said. Well, thank you so much, Mr. Ham, and you doing amazing work at Continental and hoping for the best this upcoming Tuesday. And thanks for informing our viewers. And we need to save our oil and natural gas. It's one of the greatest gifts our country's been given. So thanks so much for joining us.

B (23:11)

Thank you, Charlie. Appreciate being here.

A (23:15)

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