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How One Awful Headline Fueled Countless Conspiracies In the Tyler Robinson Case
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all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's March 31st. Blake, welcome.
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Hello.
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We had quite an evening. When we got home, there was a breaking news story about the Tyler Robinson trial, which some breaking stories it wasn't actually breaking.
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That's really what we actually want to emphasize because there's several pieces of it. And what people decided to run with online was pretty different from what you and I actually think is the biggest reveal of it.
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There was actually a lot of reveals, but people should know this. So essentially, the Daily Mail comes out with an article that says, the bullet does not match the gun.
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This is the literal headline that the Daily Mail used and which got millions
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of views on millions.
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The headline was, bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not. All caps match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson. New court filing claims. Now we're gonna have to unpack that.
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We're gonna unpack a lot of that. But here to help us do it is somebody that I've been watching online for a while now. Been really impressed with his takes. I've never met him in person before, but he agreed to come on because he was instantly on top of this story. His name is Justin Nazaroff. He's the CEO of Phoenix Ammunition. Welcome to the show, Justin.
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Thanks for having me, guys.
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Yeah. It was the first time I've ever seen you, Justin, so it's great to see you. So let's just take apart this headline from the Daily Mail, I saw you criticizing it as sort of an egregious misrepresentation of the facts. They're saying the bullet does not match the rifle. You know, court filing, claims. Right. What's your read of what actually it says?
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Well, I mean, it's one of those headlines where they can say something that's true, but because they leave out the context, as soon as you read the article, you can see why it's false. And so what they did was they analyzed a bullet jacket fragment and were unable to determine that it came from the shooter's rifle. So unfortunately, ballistic science is in a lot of cases, a best guess and in many other cases, pseudoscience. But what we know is it doesn't work like CSI Las Vegas. When a bullet hits something and deforms, which is what we've been talking about the whole time, we're assuming that the shooter probably used a hollow point or some other bullet that is. Is functionally intended to deform when it hits something. And so when it does that, it doesn't come out in a nice perfect form where you can see all the lands and grooves from the barrel and make a positive match. So in this case, the. They can't determine whether the bullet was fired from the rifle, but they also can't determine that it wasn't fired from the rifle. That's effectively all I'm saying. They're saying that there's some reasonable doubt that it could theoretically have been something else. Now, and I'm not making an affirmative declaration one way or another, I want people to understand that this has nothing to do with what I think happened or what anybody else thinks happened. All I'm doing is looking at the facts.
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And.
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And as somebody who's been doing this for a very long time, knowing that most people just really don't understand much about firearms generally, and even people in the firearms community who do understand firearms generally don't really know a lot about ammunition.
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Yeah. And so you're saying basically because the fragmentation of the bullet was so severe. I don't mean to sort of infer by your tone here, but you're saying, of course, this would be one of the options, that of course you wouldn't be able to necessarily identify it via forensic evidence with the gun. There's other ways you could. Now, the caliber matches all of these kinds of things. But, you know, I think what people expect is sort of the CSI version of reality.
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A lot of people think, and I think this is a graphic. You can see In TV shows or movies where they'll take, like, bunch of little pieces of metal out of, like, you know, and then they'll, like, put them all onto, like, a little, you know, machine. And then, like, the computer will assemble all the bits and they'll just see it. Oh, they'll like, bend the bits and reassemble the bullet. And then, like, green text will pop up that says confirmed.
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Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, yeah. I'm just gonna read one of your tweets. I'm not gonna put it up on screen because you used some colorful language here, Justin, but you say completely and utterly misleading garbage about this Daily Mail headline. You say the bullet is unable to be identified because it's fragment. You use more colorful language here. It's fragmented into a bunch of pieces. And when that happens, they don't do some magic CSI Las Vegas animation where they manage to reassemble the bullet and perfectly align the lands and grooves to match a barrel. None of that is real. That is not how science works. And then it was interesting to watch the Internet last night. This story hits all the usual suspects take it and run it. And then a bunch of saner voices come in and say, this is not something new. We've known that the bullet fragmented. We knew that, like, lining it up. We knew in the first days afterwards lining it perfectly up to the rifle was gonna be a challenge. But there's other ways that you could match in theory, Right? And again, I respect that. You're not trying to say this happened or that happened. You're just giving us the details, you're giving us the facts. There's other ways you could match a gun to a bullet. Correct? Like this match.
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Or they could test the metal and show this is the same metal as the rounds that were recovered with the rifle. Which, remember, we have a rifle with rounds that have political messages engraved on
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them, and the casing that they have from this also has a message engraved on it. Apparently that matches.
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I mean, I guess I'll even walk that back a bit further. It's actually very difficult to match a bullet to a rifle. So, for example.30 06 as a cartridge uses the same bullet that's used in.308 Winchester. So even if you recovered a.308 diameter bullet that was perfectly intact, if you didn't have the rifle that it was fired from to match the lands and grooves, there would be no way for you to determine that it was fired from a rifle chambered in.308 Winchester or.30 06. And so then when you start mangling up bullets that are roughly about the same size. A lot of medium to large caliber rifles use projectiles that are roughly the same length, roughly the same weight, roughly the same diameter. So if you smash those up into pieces, you may not. Even if you didn't have. If they didn't have a rifle to compare it to, there's no guarantee that they would even be able to know what the caliber of the car cartridge was beyond reasonable doubt. So it's a very inexact science. And in case. In this case, you know, Candace, actually, Candace Owens, I hate to bring her up, but she mentioned on her podcast on September 25th that the. The bullet was fragmented into pieces. So this is something that, you know, the people on that side of the. Of the fence have known for a long time, and this is. They're just basically milking more. More views and more audience out of the same information we already had. It's. It's basically like Schrodinger's bullet, right? If they had. If they had managed to recover a fully intact bullet where the lands and grooves matched perfectly, people on the other side would say, well, it's obvious that the bullet was planted, because you're telling me that a bullet was fired through a human being and it was. It was in perfect condition. There's no way that that came out of Charlie Kirk. It must have been something that they fired in a test range, and this is what they're using to frame the shooter. Right. But in this case, because it's broken up into pieces, they can say, oh, we'll see. We can't even identify the bullet. So it's. It must not have been Tyler Robinson. It has to be somebody else. It's just. It's nonsense.
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Inconclusive or unable to identify is not the same as does not match.
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So it's a reckless headline. They know what they were doing. It's despicable.
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So here's. Here's the interesting thing. So if you looked at all this documentation, and again, this was not new news. There was a court filing, actually, I think by the media that confirmed the fragmentation of the bullet and the ATF report a couple weeks back. But somehow this became the headline the defense also referenced. So they used this to say, hey, we're gonna try and delay this trial even more, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I think the country. There's a void that's filled. The legal system does not move at the speed of social media, and we see this causing problems all the time. But it's Interesting. In this same document, they say the defense also referenced the massive size of evidence amassed by 28 law enforcement agencies in the case. According to the motion, the discovery in the case includes 20,000 files, 61,500 pages of documents and images, and over 700 hours of video. Not to mention, we also find out that the parents and the trans identifying boyfriend, Lance Twigs, are going to be prosecuted or going to be testifying on behalf of the prosecution. And yet this is what becomes the headline. What do you make of all of that, Justin, when you kind of take it all in together?
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Well, it seems obvious that there are people who will latch onto the piece of evidence that they think can be most easily used to confuse people. Like I was getting at earlier, this is a situation where no matter what they said about the bullet in particular, there would be a way for them to spin it to either prove or. Or disprove what they think happened. So unfortunately, all the other evidence, the videos and what have you, none of that has been viewable by the public. And I think once that does become viewable, it will answer a lot of these questions and, you know, ideally get everybody on the same page. But for the time being, most of the theories on the other side of the table revolve around the idea that it could not have been Tyler Robinson because there's no way that a 3006 could have caused the damage that it caused without causing more damage. And so.
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Well, yeah, a pause right there because a lot of this has, and I hate going into it on this, but, like, at some point we have to. Charlie was my friend, was Blake's friend. He sat in this chair for years. And it's hard to even talk about this because it is graphic in nature. But, you know, a lot of this conspiracy stuff goes around no exit wound. Well, there's different types of bullets, and I'm getting educated on this. And when you see fragmentation like this, what does that tell you about the nature of the round itself? What kind of, you know, there's hollow point, there's full metal jacket, there's. Does it tell you something about the type of round and why there wouldn't be an exit wound?
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Yeah, it tells me that somebody wanted Charlie Kirk dead. I mean, that's really the long and the short of it. If you're going to assassinate somebody, you would most assuredly use some sort of a hollow point projectile or some other type of projectile that's designed to break into pieces because that's what causes the most terminal damage on the target. You would not want to use something like a full metal jacket bullet where it would pass all the way through the target and leave a relatively small entry and possibly small exit wound. So this is exactly what I would expect. I mean, you know, you hate to say it, but if you are in a position to politically assassinate somebody, that's exactly the round that you would choose. So it tells me that this is somebody who thought about it a little bit and decided that they wanted somebody dead. It's consistent with somebody that knows enough about firearms to understand that you're using a hollow point round for things like hunting and self defense specifically for that reason. Because they expand, they unfold, they break into pieces and generally leave no exit wound. Because in those cases, the idea is to prevent hitting somebody that's, you know, behind the person that you're, you're trying to defend yourself from, or causing it to pass all the way through an animal and perhaps endanger somebody behind it, or just at worst, passing through and not causing enough damage to, you know, either eliminate the threat in the case of a self defense scenario or in the case of hunting, you know, to cause the animal to die quickly and humanely. So this is, this is 100% consistent with what I would have expected to hear.
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What I've gathered is that apparently in 40% of cases involving high velocity rounds, they're unable to match a bullet to a weapon because of this fragmentation that happens. Apparently it's very common. Almost, almost half of the cases you can't match it because the bullet is so badly damaged.
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Which I want to really dive into that because, okay, we are still able to, you know, make conclusions in cases where they can't make that match. And that's what we really should emphasize. The real news of the past few days from these filings from the defense is they're reacting to evidence that the prosecution is planning to present, including at the preliminary hearing, that they want pushed back by six months because they're trying to drag this case out as long as possible. At the preliminary hearing, it is reported that the prosecution plans to call Tyler Robinson's parents and Tyler Robinson's furry boyfriend to the stand. So we've seen over and over, it's actually, it just gets wildly alleged on social media that actually his parents didn't turn him in. Actually, his parents don't. They're not cooperating with police. They've just lied about these things, when in reality, we know from endless documentation they were involved in turning him in. And now it appears that they're ready to Testify in the case.
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Right.
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And that is how we're able to reach conclusions about this case without a bullet match.
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Yeah. And you can say the casings match, the DNA's match, the markings on the bullet casings match, the text messages match. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of other.
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His location matches.
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Yeah. Justin, final 30 seconds to you. What do you want people to take away from what we believe is a misleading headline from the Daily Mail?
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Yeah, I want people to take away the fact that, again, ballistic science is very inexact at best, and you're dealing with a lot of people on the Internet who have no knowledge of it whatsoever. And so it's very easy to. Even in court cases, it's very easy to confuse a jury. You know, they discussed ammunition in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and a lot of the information that they presented was false on both sides, actually. So this is not an exact science. This is not something that you can draw 100% conclusions about. This is but one piece of evidence among many. And I wish people would just take a breath and relax.
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Yeah. Did you see what I. What headlines I gave it?
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No, no, I didn't. I've had a busy couple of hours. Like 24 hours, I would say.
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Yeah, I gave Cane. There's this. There's a. An ex guy, a Twitter guy. Kanakoa.
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Oh, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. So I found that tweet, and it was a really good sort of breakdown of why the Daily Mail headline is ridiculous. And so, yeah, so I've got Twitter
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clowns fall for Charlie Kirk assassination subplot the bullet, misdirection play. That is a good headline. Thank you for that one, Kane.
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There you go.
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And then you have Tyler Robinson, DNA fall found all over rifle. Furry boyfriend Lance Twigs called to testify. Thank you very much. That's very appreciated.
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I didn't even know. You know, we booked this before this whole story dropped. And it's been a busy. Like I said, let's just say 12 to 18 hours. So I usually. I'm like, I've got your. The. The stack on my desktop, just constantly refreshing. So, you know me. But no, that's great. Headlines.
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Yeah. There was another one where I think I just went. I gave it a third headline to the Kanakoa tweet. Ridiculous headline from. From the Daily Mail. I didn't even want. I didn't link to the Daily Mail story. I didn't even really want to because it's so confusing. You know, I had to read it a couple of times. First of all, just the way the, you know, the visual. The graphics of Daily Mail are horrible. So they make reading stories difficult to begin with. And then when you go with a misleading headline like that, you know, it makes it even worse as you sort of. Go ahead.
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No, no, I was just gonna say I didn't mean to cut you off. I just think it's worth reading Kanakoa the Great's tweet here. Cause it was good. He says. What a misleading headline from the Daily Mail. The ATF ran a tool mark analysis on a bullet jacket fragment recovered from Charlie's autopsy. The result was inconclusive, not no match. The jacket was too fragmented to compare. Which also partially explains the lack of an exit wound. The bullet shattered on impact. Inconclusive means insufficient evidence to draw any conclusion. It doesn't mean the bullet did not match the rifle. Like the headline says, the defense wants to use inconclusive as exculpatory evidence, but the prosecution wants to Run chemical or molecular analysis comparing the jacket alloy to ammunition recovered with the gun. Unlike tool mark analysis, it doesn't require an intact bullet. The defense is trying to block that testing from happening. That's the nuance of the real story. That's very well said and very concise.
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Yeah, he's good on everything, that guy. He had a substack for a while that he was keeping up with, but he writes fantastic stuff. That's why I actually put the Tyler Robinson DNA post in there as well. Was just. That was one. You know, some of the best stuff is often found in the replies, the top replies on Twitter. And you know, it was just some. It was actually grok, I think, pointing out that, that. That Tyler Robinson's DNA was found on the trigger. It was found on multiple, multiple parts of the rifle. So anyway, it's just ridiculous to me. I, you know, I'll just say this because I want to hear your and Blake's thoughts because I don't really live in this world, as I've told you. I'm too busy sort of on the stack juggling tabs. Right. So I'm not able to spend time on X and follow what's going on in the machinations. And it's just, it always. It's just insanity to me that this entire subculture has built up around, you know, an actual belief in an alternate shooter. So I'm just not going to say any more than that. Just. But it's just other than. It's shocking to me, like every time I venture like I did yesterday, I'm just stunned that people actually believe this stuff. So.
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Yeah, well, it was interesting too, to kind of see the. It was a bit of a back and forth, right? You see the headline, massive amount of, you know, we told you so. You know, I think people kind of in a weird, sick way rushing to Tyler Robinson's defense.
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People want Tyler Robinson to be acquitted. In the case of some people, I think it's just because they actively like the idea of Charlie's killer getting away with it. Yeah, I think that's cool. Clearly the case, the motive with some of them, some of them are just so addicted to their particular conspiracy, hobby horses, that they, you know, it's the, you know, every single thing looks like a nail to a hammer.
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And I think some want to have part of like an inside knowledge that they know better, that you can't trust the authorities. What's interesting to me though, and I made this. I haven't said this out loud yet, but that line of thinking of that. You can't trust our authorities. Well, hold on now. You're trusting an ATF analysis that came back inconclusive. So if they were just trying to conspire to get Tyler Robinson convicted against the real truth that some other person did it or he was a patsy or whatever, why would the ATF not just come back with a, oh, it's conclusive. So on the one hand, you don't want to listen to the feds, but on the other hand, you're very willing to believe that this bullet was the inconclusive findings from the atf. So it kind of defeats their own argument if you think of it that way. But listen, I think what was interesting from a media perspective, and I think you would appreciate this, Cain, is that it felt like this headline was engineered to get this reaction. That's what bothered me the most, because it was so reckless, it was so irresponsible. I call it media malfeasance. It was engineered to play into this cottage industry that's developed online.
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Yeah, there was a lot of interesting stuff that both of you said, but I'll start with the last part. Yeah, it complete. Look, Daily Mail editors know what the heck they're doing with these headlines. That's. It was. It was. They know what's going on in the subplot, as you said, and they just. It was manufactured for them. That's why I, you know, I believe in free speech. But there was someone who had made a comment that Daily Mail should actually be blocked from X for a week or for two weeks as punishment for such a horrible headline saying that the bull, you know, the bullet didn't match. And then, you know what? Going into what you guys said before, it is just. Look, it's, it's. It's weird. Anytime you try to get into the brain of a conspiracy theorist, right, how do you go into all of the reasons that maybe, you know, they get a thrill out of it. They want to know stuff that other people don't know. All of that is true. And it's. And it kind of sucks. I mean, I want to, you know, part of me always feels like, you know, it sort of sucks that it's allowed to be out there, that this kind of stuff is allowed to, you know, get seep into the subconscious of what happened surrounding Charlie's assassination. But at the same time, it's free speech and you can't, you know, you gotta allow everything. But, but this is really one of those examples where I wish certain people could have been, could have been gagged. You know, just maybe if there was a stupidity meter for speech, that your speech has to pass a sub level bar before it's allowed in, you know, for the rest of us to hear. But anyway, I don't know how you guys deal with it. There is a don't know how you deal with it.
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Yeah, you know, listen, the only way through is through Cain, I will tell you. And God gives us enough grace for each and every day. I will tell you. And you know, here's the encouraging part though, and I didn't really finish my thoughts, is that it was like a seesaw. So you get this first wave and then you have this army of people, most of whom I have no idea who these people are, rushing to Team Sanity, basically saying, you guys are taking this in a misleading direction. It's a misleading headline. You guys are being idiots. We had Phoenix ammunition, who's a guy I've just seen on Twitter and X, you know, basically trying to talk sense into people for months. And I finally was, I reached out to him, I was like, hey, man, I saw your comment on this. Would you come on and just say that on the show if you feel like it's true? And he was like, absolutely. You know, it's just some new friends, you know, just through the mix of this. And I've seen so much of this online where you're seeing the emergence of new, like, powerful, confident voices rushing to team sanity. So it was actually kind of cool because you saw, like the vibe shift in real time last night.
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So there's the positive benefit of free speech right there, even if it's ugly and stupid.
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Yeah, there's a cost for free speech. There is a cost for free speech, and the cost is that sometimes stupid people say stupid things. But hopefully courage and wisdom, prudence will rush in and fill the void. So it's not just one side winning the day, if you will. Kane, I have so much more I want to get to besides the Daily Mail story and that. We've run through most of our segment here, but I'm going to keep you for the next segment so we get to it. But let's just start here. Vibe check on Citizen Free Press. How. How are, how are the troops doing? How's the base feeling right now? We got a final 30, 40 seconds here.
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They're hanging with it. They're hanging with it. You know, we're still. This is day 31. I think people are giving Trump six to seven and a half weeks to finish this thing. Yeah, the netanyahu comment that we're beyond the halfway point from Israel standpoint. I just put up the Jamie Dimon people should go to Citizen Free Press. Find that Jamie Dimon quote where he says, regardless of whether you think we should have started this war, now that we're in it, ignore the freaking market, screw the markets and finish the war correctly. Logistically, it's much better just to finish the thing. So I think that's. But to answer the basis is still hanging in there with Trump.
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Well, that's good to know. I mean, nobody knows the base like Kane at Citizen Free Press. You guys have a massive, massive audience. Millions of people. Check it every day. And I recommend everybody check out Citizen Free Press every day. I usually am like, I know your stack as well as you do usually on most days, but it's been a busy one here.
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when it comes to Iran, you're saying that the base is sticking there with Trump. They're extending him a bit of trust, a bit of leash because they know that he's not gotten us into forever wars and quagmires in the Middle east like so many other presidents before him. Question, though, what happens if President Trump uses boots on the ground? Do you see that? That trust and that confidence, that patience would fade.
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It'll cause a massive freak out on X, that's for sure.
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I mean,
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you know, all of this is sort of relative, right? They've laid the groundwork. Hegseth talked about it this morning. There's 15 different ways they could use combat troops and then yet they might not need them at all. He's trying to keep the enemy guessing. But, but it's also, I don't.
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Did we lose him? Oh, no. We might have lost Kane for a second. See if you guys can get him back. I want to play this. He mentioned this Jamie Dimon clip that was kind of an unexpected take on Iran, saying you got to get the job done right.sop15 I think the market, you know, looks, the markets are unpredictable and it's hard for me to tell you exactly what. But I think they're just looking at, is there a chance something can go wrong now? We should all hope nothing goes wrong. We should all hope that these bad people are, you know, that we win this thing and clean up the straits and that Iran is no longer a threat to everybody. But the markets will be Concerned until it's over. It's much more important that this be
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successfully completed than what the market does.
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Yeah. And let's play another clip while we're waiting for Kane to get back. Connected. This is Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. It seems like the misdirection here is part of the play. They want to keep the Iranians guessing, the regime guessing, Sat two President Trump and boots on the ground. We're not going to foreclose any option.
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You can't fight and win a war
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if you tell your adversary what you are willing to do or what you are not willing to do to include boots on the ground. Our adversary right now thinks there are 15 different ways we could come at them with boots on the ground and guess what? There are. So if we needed to, we could execute those options on behalf of the president, United States and this department. Or maybe we don't have to use them at all. Misdirection. Is that the point?
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Oh, sir, for sure. I mean, I'm, you know, I've. You guys have probably read the Art of War by Sun Tzu. I don't think I ever. Maybe I did read that in college. So, yeah, keep them guessing. You know, your original question was how will the base react? And so my quick response is certain people will freak out, but I think it's going to be limited and contained. And I also think it's possible that we may not know about it in real time. It's possible that an operation can occur in 12 hours, 24 hours, and then we'll hear about it. Obviously, that changes if we're talking about occupying Carg Island. There's a lot of other things like Trump talking about wanting control over a certain amount of the, of the Iranian oil. And that would mean probably occupy, you know, holding the occupation of Car Island. So there's a lot of, a lot of, you know, a lot of variables, let's put it that way. But how will the. The overall, the base is going to respond positively as long as there aren't a huge number of American deaths. I think that's really the barometer.
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Interesting.
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Yeah. So go ahead.
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Well, I just, I find that interesting. So I think we've been talking about it, Blake and I, you know, yesterday I said very clearly, I don't support boots on the ground. I think, I think there has to be. Because, listen, once you do boots on the ground, then there's a reason to send more boots on the ground. Then lives are on the line, casualties mount, and there's always, yes, there's always going to be an excuse to, to expand the operation where there's always going to be, well, we're this committed, we're this pot committed. Keep putting more troops in. Well, we got to get, if we just, if we do a little bit of a surge over here, then we're going to be able to get this. So listen, I hear Jamie Dimon's point and I sort of agree at some level. Right. If you're going to do this, the die has already been cast. Get the job done. Right. I understand that when you go boots on the ground, that's another level. You're saying that the vibe from the base, as you're perceiving it at Citizen Free Press is that you think that they will continue extending patience for the president, trust in the president, so long as the casualties don't match amount. That's actually the dividing line that you are perceiving.
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Well, that's the one thing you can't really argue against. If you're trying to say give the president time, give the president time, and then someone says, well, there's 100 deaths. That's a very difficult thing to argue, to say that 100Americans should have lost their lives in this war. I'm, I'm against boots on the ground as well. I think the boots on the ground ought to be somehow an Iranian force and, or a Gulf nation force. I mean, if, or let the lead
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the charge if they want to do that.
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Yeah, all of that. Look, I certainly don't think we should have, we should take Carg island just so that we end up with control of a certain percentage of Iraq of Iranian oil. Like that's not a good enough reason. I think the whole point of this is get rid of their ballistic missiles, get rid of their uranium and, and if you can, if you're lucky, allow for a regime change where the theocracy is gone. You know, getting Iranian oil is not the fourth pillar of this thing, and that shouldn't be the reason for truth. But, but when you ask how the base, I feel like deaths are really going to be the thing. If, you know, we'll see it's there. I would say it's at least a 50, 50 chance that we are going to have boots on the ground. So we're going to find out.
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Blake, any thoughts on that?
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I mean, I think, I think he's correct. I think the base has clearly shown they're willing to trust President Trump. But I think who was it just the other day who argued the support is there but it's soft. It's soft. It's thin support.
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Knowles.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not. I don't think it's the sort of thing that will survive a really severe stress test. And if it starts to be hundreds of casualties or if there starts to be really serious economic consequences as a side effect of this, I just think a lot of people are going to say, I support getting on now. They might even say, I support the President's strategy, while also saying, end the war immediately.
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Yeah. Kane, do you feel any consternation because he's now talking about France and the uk, how they haven't been helping us and, you know, they can come get their own jet fuel, they can come get their own oil. You know, some are reading that as, like, an end to the American empire, end to the global world order as we've known it. Other people are like, screw these European people because they're weak and they're feckless and they're useless. What do you think the base is perceiving that as?
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I would say the latter. Those were some funny comments from Trump. I mean, we all can sort of tell when he's being tongue in cheek and when he's being completely serious. And there was definitely some. Some sarcasm there. But it's nice, you know, it's nice for a president to have, like, have no concern for norms of communication and just sort of speak the way he does. I, you know, going back to the, the boots on the ground thing, you had, even Lindsey Graham, I haven't put it in the stack yet, but he's got that quote out there. Yeah, he's got that quote out there saying that we ought to, we ought to get close to wrapping this thing up. So I think you're going to see a lot of pressure, and I think Trump knows it.
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Citizen Kane, Citizen Free Press. Great job as always, my friend. We'll have you on again soon. Be well. Check out cfp. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do, not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells. You and I, we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with preborn and she sees her baby and hears her baby's heartbeat, you will double the likelihood that she will choose life. And 100% of what you give goes to providing ultrasounds. 100% preborn. Separately. Fundraises for administrative costs. $280 can save 10 babies. $28 a month can save a baby a month all year long. And a $15,000 gift. I know there's some of you out there that can afford this $15,000 gift will provide a complete ultrasound machine that will save thousands of babies for years and years to come. Call 833-850-2229 or click on the preborn banner at charliekirk.com today. Again, that's 833-850-22291 or click on the preborn banner@charliekirk.com right now, I want to kind of change gears here, and I want to bring on Ellie Hirsch. She is the Brightcor senior health advisor. So what is Brightkor? They have a bunch of these products, supplements, whatever, that help deal with your gut with microplastics and so much more. There's a lot of reasons this ties in. We got the whole Maha crowd. Maha is a completely different part of the coalition. And we need to be talking about Maha. We need to be talking about making our food healthier, making our bodies healthier. If we're going to keep the coalition together. I'm just going to be honest. We're not doing a good enough job about that. So that's why I wanted to bring on Ellie. Ellie Hirsch, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. So I am very passionate about Maha. Charlie was very passionate about Maha. Make America healthy again. And so this was this product you guys have, and Blake was all into it, and I was like, we gotta do this. So Blake went to Korea with Charlie, and apparently all they did was eat taste.
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All they eat is pickled vegetables.
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Pickled vegetables.
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If you go to East Asia, it's their staple. Take every single vegetable, they pickle it, and they eat it at every single meal.
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And apparently they're so healthy because of it, which is frustrating because I eat zero pickled anything. I actually don't like the taste. Taste. But then I was talking to Kathleen.
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What's wrong with you?
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Who? Yeah, so Kathleen was like, this stuff, this. This thing is actually really intense. So why don't you just, like, start there? Like, microbiome, microplastics. Give us the whole, like, pitch.
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Yeah, it's a lot to cover for. Sure. I really want to start, though, with what's happening in the world right now and how it's affecting Our bodies and. And how kimchi is solving the problem. So, you know, we're talking about.
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That's a big statement, Ellie. That's a big statement. Just for the record, when you hear that kimchi is solving somebody's problem, solving all the problems, it doesn't naturally follow, but I've actually become convinced this is true. It's why we're here. So continue.
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Yes, yes, I am proof. Our customers are proof. I'm telling you, and we'll get to that in a little bit, that kimchi is the answer to a lot of these things. And, you know, war, things like that, that are happening around us, okay? It's affecting everybody. Okay? Obviously, it's affecting our soldiers and people on the other side of the world, okay? And war. We know this. It hurts everybody, right? And what's happening is bombs and fires and destroyed buildings and vehicles and damaged factories. They're releasing dirty smoke, toxic chemicals, heavy metals, tiny plastic particles in the air, water, and soil. So I want to start there because it's what reality is, Ellie.
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I was looking this up. So this is actually true. And by the way, even if it wasn't a war, it's like China's doing this all the time anyways, just through their factories. But this goes up to the upper atmosphere, the higher levels of the atmosphere, and then it travels all around the world. So even though we are so far removed from what's happening in Iran, this stuff actually affects the entirety of the population on planet Earth.
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Correct. So no matter where you live, these microplastics and toxins, they are having a significant impact, negative impact on your health. And for those who may not know what microplastics are, I think we all do. But they're tiny plastic particles that form when larger plastic items break down because there's sunlight, there's heat, there's friction. Right? And they are found everywhere. Our oceans, rivers, soil, food, drinking water. We're breathing it in. It's in our air. And because they're so small, Andrew, they are able to easily move through the food chain and enter the bloodstream and our organs. They're absorbed, they're ingested, and they're inhaled. Every time we take a breath, we are inhaling microplastics. And I have a couple of really scary statistics here. So did you know that microplastics are found in 94% of US drinking water? Okay. And for those who say I would
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have assumed it was 100%, I would have thought 100. I just assume I'm swimming in a sea of microplastics at this point.
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You are. You are basically. And even if you're a bottled water drinker, which people aren't, because of the plastic, 80 to 93% of bottled water globally. And I don't know if you're a meat eater, a seafood lover, or maybe you're a vegetarian and you have other protein sources, but 88% of our meat.
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Yeah, definitely not a vegetarian. Definitely not a vegetarian. So I'm getting lots of plastics. Okay. But here's the thing.
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You are.
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You're telling me that Kim. So this is. Okay, you have to. I want the audience to fully appreciate this. I am the chief of skeptics here. I mean, Blake might be slightly chief of skeptics here. Blake calls everything woo woo. But then, like. But then you see Koreans, and all they do is eat kimchi. And so. Yeah, and apparently there's, like, kimchi.
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They are very fit people. They're very healthy people. They all seem to live to be
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a hundred years old, but kimchi, exactly. Kimchi is actually this, like, crazy, like, superfood. And I had. You guys had to prove this to me kind of extensively because I didn't believe it, but. Okay. Because I get probiotics through, like, yogurt. Right. Compare yogurt to a kimchi. Just like this was like. There's some stats here that kind of blow your mind when you realize kimchi is legitimately this crazy probiotic food.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, probiotics are great. There's so many on the market, whether you're eating it through yogurt or what have you. But do we really know what's in it? Okay, we don't. And so the reason why I'm sort of backtracking, going through all these scary statistics is because people like you and me kind of know these statistics, but a lot of people don't. And. And I don't wanna scare people, but I wanna present the facts and then show how Kim Chi and all the studies to back it up. Your viewers will leave this and say, oh, my God, like, I need to get this now. Okay, I take the product. We'll talk about what that product is. But. And going back to your comment on the Korean staple diet, did you know that Koreans live six years longer because they are eating kimchi? And we all know about glass skin, right. And how beautiful they are, and it's because of this fermented food. So, you know, there are a lot of things that are going on inside our bodies right now because of these plastics. So early onset Dementia, Alzheimer's disease, mental health issues, okay? 9 out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples have microplastics in it, okay? They cause oxidative stress, they alter our DNA, so it increases our risk for developing cancer. And, you know, people with microplastic plaque in their veins and arteries, 4.5 times more likely to die from a heart attack, okay? So they, thyroid, hormones, metabolism, obesity, energy levels, bone density, muscle mass. This is what we're dealing with. So when I share with you what we're solving and how we solve it, you know that, how scary and how truthful this is, right? So there's just a rapid rise in plastic production and consumption. It's a profit driven industry. You can't avoid it. Some people say, oh, I don't drink out of plastic bottles, I don't use plastic containers, I'm not really wearing polyester, and blah, blah, blah. But the truth is, is they are everywhere. And limiting the use of plastic is not enough. It'll never be enough. So we must take active steps, right, to remove these toxins, including pesticides, from the body before it does irreversible damage. And so to get to your point, our first line of defense is your gut microbiome. The gut microbiome is so important for your overall health, right? It's having that balance of good and bad bacteria, and it actually determines the health of your entire body.
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Noah on our team says fun fact. Consuming hot beverages from disposable paper cups results in the ingestion of thousands of microplastic particles and associated chemicals. Starbucks paper hot cups or any. It doesn't have to be Starbucks. It could be any of the ones. I mean, got them in here at the office. These blank ones. And plastic cold cups can leach thousands of microplastic particles and plasticizer chemicals into beverages. Basically, the long story short is you. This is like a huge issue in modern living. And that's why we want to call attention to it, because, yeah. Scientists found microplastics in 9 out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples. Like, we know something is happening in our modern environment. Blake thinks it's all woo, woo, science, a lot of it. But microplastics, we know something's changing. We know something's changing in our environment. And whether it's war or it's factories in China or what we're doing here, how we're consuming our food. I mean, they used to deliver milk to your front door in glass bottles, and then they would pick them up. We don't do that kind of stuff. They come in plastic all the time. So I think this is really key. And like, by the way, Ellie Hirsch, we're joined. Senior health advisor from Brightcor. There's this document that I have here and I just want to. I know I don't want to do your job for you. I'm sorry, but it's crazy. It's like. Studies show that eating kimchi every day for 12 weeks can do far more than improve gut health. It can train your immune system to fight smarter. That's from nature. Cancer preventive potential of kimchi Lactic acid bacteria. That's from the National Library of Science. Bioactive chemicals in Kimchi improve cognitive and memory function. Kimchi linked to enhanced immune function improved gut like it's. Kimchi reduces body fat by 31.8% in pre clinical study. That's from Science and Tech Daily Anti Aging effects of Kimchi. Like.
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So I wanted, I guess a natural question to ask is what can you get from what we're talking about here that you can't just get by going to the store and buy or just going to H Mart down the street here in Phoenix and buying a case of kimchi, which probably does come in a plastic container.
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I'll be really honest. So after I talked with these guys, sorry, you're going to your next Sally, I promise. I tried kimchi and I can't eat it. I do not like the taste of it.
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What's wrong with you?
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It gives me the gag reflex. Sorry.
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A lot of people don't love it or like it because it's not a staple in the American diet, right? But you can go into the supermarket and buy it. You're gonna get a lot of salt intake and you'd have to eat quite a bit to get out of it. What you can really get out of it. And, you know, you've talked about a bunch of studies. And I think what's important to point out is that kimchi can actually eliminate and extract microplastics from the body. That's what I want people to get out of this. Studies have proven it. Researchers have proven it. And, you know, there's certain strains that it has, you know, we talked about, has 900 unique strains of bacteria. Sauerkraut only has, I think, what, 18 or something. So it is huge, right? And you know, another strain, Bacillus pumilus, right. It degrades bpa, which is the most toxic chemical in plastics. And the reason it's effective, you know, Andrew, is because of the direct impact on the gut microbiome. It's Antiviral, antifungal, anti parasitic, antibacterial. And that's why there are so many health benefits. And that's why we have created this amazing product. And we know it works. Kimchi Won is a deli capsule that we've created. And whether you like the taste or not, you can't eat it every day, Right? But now you can. We use a cold process drying method. It retains all the fiber, all the nutrition, low in sodium, like the store bought, 100% made in the U.S. all natural, non GMO. And I know it works because A, I take it and B, the success stories from our customers. And we love talking to our customers. Digestion regularity, no longer a problem. Immune system. Right. 70 to 80% of our immune system is housed in our gut. They're not sick anymore. Diabetes, sugar levels, high cholesterol, they're no longer taking antibiotics. So that's why we created this.
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Yeah. And we'll flash the graphic in just a second because. So I just want to reiterate, I am like the hardest sell on this stuff. But I read this article, I think it was from the Atlantic. My mom sent it to me a few years ago and it came up in this whole conversation with Breitkor. So the premise was why your dad could eat a Big Mac in the 80s and not gain any weight. And why you now in 2020 when the article was written, can't. And the whole point was your microbiome, like your gut health. So your dad had better gut health than you because of the quality of the food. Our food quality has deteriorated and all this stuff. So you just have a crappy gut. And this is why a lot of people gain weight when they eat the same things your dad did back in or the food quality. So I was really like fascinated by this because I think, I think and I have a doctor that's like really into gut health. He thinks it's like the root of all health basically in your body.
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It is.
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So like, if you got all these plastics, your food sucks. We can't. Nobody can police it all the time because we have to. We're on the road. We have to eat what we eat. And you can't. It's just not as good for you as it was in the 80s and 70s or whatever. We should address that. It's part of Maha is addressing the food quality and the plastics in our food and all this stuff. But if you can't get to it, it's like you can't fix it all. Then you need something to supplement this and take care of it. So I think it's phenomenal. By the way, Kathleen, who's on our team, she was taking this, and she was like. Her body's reaction to this was immediate. You know how some supplements, you take
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B
them as in the next day or the next minute?
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The. No, no, like the next day or two. But it was. But you know how like, sometimes you're like, I think it's working. This is not one of the work.
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I'm not sure if it's working. This works, Andrew. I'm telling you, I take it myself. And I have to be honest with you. I am turning 50 in two months, and I truly believe the health on the inside is reflected on the outside. And it's things like kimchi one and other things that, you know, collagen supplements that they offer at Brightcore. It's just. Just unbelievable. And they work, and the proof is in the pudding.
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All right, so let's. Let's throw this up. Ellie. We got this graphic, so we got a special offer for our audience. You can get 25% off brightcore.com Charlie. Thanks for making this for us, by the way. Or you can call 888-317-9258 brightcore.com Charlie get 25% off. So that's awesome.
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E
But you know what?
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I'm actually, like, legitimately a believer in this stuff. Okay. What's that?
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Oh, yeah, for sure. I was gonna say that, you know, you can go online and get your 25% off, which is great. But I would advise you call because, like you said, you get up to 50% off free shipping. And the first 100 callers gets another one of our products, which is a free bottle of vitamin D3 plus K2, which is fantastic. And that number is 888-317-9258. We also donate a portion of all of our proceeds to Wounded Warrior Project because we really want to show our support for the troops who fight for our freedom every day. We appreciate all the sacrifices they make, and we love to talk to our customers. I mean, that's the feedback we get. So please call. We want to take your health journey with you, want to make sure this is the right product for you. And that's 888-317-9258.
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Awesome. Ellie Hirsch, Senior health Advisor. This is great stuff, legitimately. I think it's really important stuff, actually. So that's why we wanted to do this. Thank you for making the time. We appreciate it so much.
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Sure.
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Thanks for having me.
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Hi folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Yrefi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Yrefi can help. Just go to yrefi.com that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember, Y Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. Selena. Zita, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's so good to have you. You have a new piece in the Washington examiner talking about this surge of faith among Gen Z. And I thought with all this, like heavy news from this Daily Mail headline about, you know, with Charlie's story. The other part of Charlie's story that we cannot lose touch with, we can't lose sight of is that it birthed this revival that we've seen with young people. And I think the question a lot of us had was did it stop? And your reporting is basically, no, it hasn't. It's continuing to go. Please tell us about it.
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No, it hasn't. It hasn't at all. And I've written about this several times. This isn't the first time I've written about it. Began with it. I noticed it first of all in my own parish. I'm Catholic. The week after the Sunday after Charlie was killed, my church was jam packed. And that hasn't stopped now at that point. You could still get a pusey. Well, not anymore. You have to. I'm always notoriously just running into mass when the bells are ringing and, and I'm almost always standing. But it's also happening among evangelical Christians. It's not just Catholics. The day after. No, the day Charlie was shot, these young people gathered at this, at this church in the city of Pittsburgh in kind of a dodgy neighborhood. And they came by the bus load of public transportation. They walked from colleges all around Pittsburgh. There's eight colleges in Pittsburgh. And they needed to feel something right. They needed to be part of something bigger than South. He is someone that. Who motivated them. I talked to a lot of these young people in the lead up to the 2024 election, and they talked about how Charlie brought them to understanding why that election was so important and why their voice was so important and their belief in God was so important. And so that happened the first day after Charlie was killed, happened again the following Sunday, continued to happen so much that the football team at the University of Pittsburgh, led by the captain of the football team, Jake Overton, who by the way, is going to be in the draft in Pittsburgh in a couple of weeks. And he led this thing called Pit Purpose. And they showed up at the Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh, if anyone's familiar with it. It's a beautiful structure. And There were about 600 kids there and there were about 100 baptisms. And the movement continued to grow and it led to what happened last Thursday. I think it was Thursday. Wednesday or Thursday, I can't remember. There are 5,000 kids that filled the Peterson Event Center. And it wasn't just kids, it was families. There were people of all ages, but it was, you know, predominantly youth driven college students, but also young families. Right. With young kids. And there were over. I forget how many hundreds of baptisms done in pickup trucks, which was my favorite part. But it was just. It's not something that's going away. And it's really interesting to me to watch my profession not understand how to cover it. Right. They don't understand how to grasp this growth and this movement. But it's not just in Protestant evangelical churches, it's in the Catholic Church. My diocese alone, there will be 200 people baptized this week during Holy Week. And that is significant.
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Well, so I want everybody to just grasp what you said, the contrast. So the week Charlie's killed, you had 5, 600 people, about 100 baptisms. Just last Wednesday or Thursday, this event center had 5,6000 young people and hundreds of baptisms getting baptized in pickup trucks. And I just hope people are grasping this. And I've said this to so many people that have felt bad for me with some of the conspiracy stuff or whatever we're going through, just losing Charlie, which, yeah, like I, you know, I get it and it's awful. But what I always say to them is what God has unleashed, man cannot stop. And if God's ultimate purpose here is to unleash a tidal Wave of young people coming into faith in Jesus Christ, then so be it. I will suffer every single day. Charlie suffered greater than any of us. I will, I will. I will walk through this day in and day out, taking the punches as they come. The Daily Mails was just the latest because what God is doing, he is doing a work in this country and he's doing it in Gen Z. He's doing it with young families and it's so awesome. And like, when I saw this story, you know, you could attest, as soon as you said this to me, I was like, you need to come on today. And like, we need to talk about this.
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Yeah, we see a lot of young families too, not just Gen Z. We see, you know, I see a lot of millennials there with multiple children, three, four, five kids in the pew and the priest every Sunday. It never fails. We have a younger priest in my parish, little country church. But he always says, don't anybody be offended by the sound of the noise of children because there goes our future. This is our future. We need to welcome these children and these families and we need to welcome them into our hearts and show patience. And that's a beautiful thing because, you know, a lot of parents, when their kids are young, it's. I remember it's not fun to always go to mass every Sunday because you don't know what the two year old's gonna do. Right? But, but it is, it is across denominations and I think that's really, really important.
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Well, and you included this in your piece, Selena. You said Ryan Berg or Burge, the research director at My Faith Counts, a non profit, non denominational organization, noted that new data showed that the share of Americans who are non religious has dropped for the third straight year in a row, with atheists and agnostics down to 5% each. I mean, this is an amazing trend that started, frankly, when Charlie was still with us. And I think his assassination lit that spark and poured fuel on the fire. And I was just so encouraged because I think it is the answer to the question a lot of us have, Is it still going? Is it still building? And this is such an important data set that you've presented and anecdotes and stories of how this movement of God is still growing in the country. Blake, you're Catholic, so I want to make sure I make.
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B
Well, I mean, it's the New York times. They call 12 dioceses. All of them have more catechumens than they had the year before. I know, I heard about this from my parents. I think there were 50 people in the RCIA class in Sioux Falls. That's not a huge city. And you see all these anecdotes, and I know there's some pushback. I think even Burge has pushed back on that, where he says, if you look at big surveys, they don't show a big surge. If anything, they do show either flatline or the decline is still ongoing. And so I'd actually like to touch into that what. What could be going on where maybe we are seeing a general. Like we might be seeing the kernel of a big revival where people who are really on the ball, people who have high agency, they're embracing faith. And what we're seeing is something that will really explode in the months, in the years, in the decades to come.
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A
Interesting.
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B
And I think that'd be an interesting thing to talk about.
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F
Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, a lot of. Here's the thing about data and people responding to it. They don't always respond to it truthfully or. They always look at data. Sometimes it's with skepticism. We've seen that in polling with politics. I don't think religion is much different. Right. And so what you see is the contrast what Ryan is talking about, where they're, you know, it seems as though there's a decline, but then you see 200 baptisms in a western Pennsylvania, not even in this. In Pittsburgh. It's outside of Pittsburgh. It's in the rural country part. Right. And you see that growth, and it tells you they might not tell a statistician about their faith. Sometimes people think faith is something very private, but they're still get there. They're coming, they're getting baptized. You know, I saw it at the Peterson Event Center. Pastor Howard is amazing. I saw it. I see it in my own parish every week. We didn't have these kinds of numbers last year at this time, you could sit anywhere you wanted in a pew. Now you squeeze into the choir loft or you stand on the sides. But there's.
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Yeah. And Selena. Yeah. And there is anecdotal evidence, a lot of it. I do think it's showing up in some data as well. Let's go ahead and play Kayleigh McEnany. She's touching on this. In February, sot 16 of the day,
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a surprising revival in religion underway right now for the first time in decades. Research suggests that the decline of Christianity in the US has now slowed down and may have actually leveled off. And the return to religion is trending among Gen Z men and those with higher education. Now, the reason, according to a new report from Chapman University center for Demographics and Policy is this quote. Many young men report feeling culturally dislocated or villainized by progressive secular discourse regarding masculinity. Traditional forms of Christianity, particularly Catholicism and orthodoxy, offer a narrative of responsibility, sacrifice, and hierarchy that appeals to men seeking a defined role in a fluid.
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D
All I'm preaching is about Jesus Christ. And they.
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A
They waived me.
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D
They say.
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A
They say I'm crazy, right?
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D
I'm psycho. I don't.
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A
That don't. That don't. That don't add up.
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D
That's not adding up, right? God let these happen. God like God let these things happen for a reason.
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A
His will be done. May his will be done.
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D
Not my will. My will is done. When I came into the league, all I wanted to do was win Championships and. And get millions of bucks until the.
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A
What good is it to gain the world your forfeiture soul?
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D
What good is it? What good is it to not follow the Lord, to not obey his commandments?
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A
Pretty strong question. Pretty strong stuff. So, Selena, obviously, this is the big news story today. It seems, though, in the NBA, you could do just about every terrible, other terrible thing imaginable. Gun charges, murder charges, drug charges, and you get left back on the team. But criticizing the lgbtqia, whatever, Pride Month, is against the rules. Your take?
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F
Oh, you know, this is part of the problem that people have with our cultural curators, right? People in corporations, institutions, and national sports organizations is that there's two different roles. One is it is you can abstain from, you know, standing for the national anthem. Right? But. But you can't, and that's okay. Right? And you can have some pretty strong, nasty things to say about people that are conservative or have faith, but if you profess something about your faith, and you are a Christian, you're. You're suspended. You are a non. You're not wanted. You're not. You're not allowed to be part of this. We can't see this because these institutions do not know how to process faith. They don't understand people that have faith, and therefore, they need to shun them as opposed to being welcoming. I think one of the things that's really important about diversity. Cultural curators always talk about diversity, but they don't really talk about cultural diversity. Right. They don't really talk about people of faith. There are people that sit in a pew every Sunday, people that say a rosary. Right. They aren't allowed to be part of their institution.
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A
Well. And they're calling him crazy. That's the thing. I mean, he's definitely radical about his faithful. Yeah. But, yeah, I find this. I mean, maybe he is. I don't know if he's got a screw. I don't see that. I think he's. From what I can tell from the video, he's preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Unashamed Blake.
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F
Yeah.
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B
I mean, so it looks to me, and it's like, I just think of all the players they have in the NBA, and if you followed it even mildly. I'm not known for being a big basketball fan, but there's NBA players getting in trouble for actually objectively bad stuff.
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A
Strangulation.
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B
Yeah. So Latrell Spruill, I believe, strangled his coach. He got suspended, but came back, run our test, assaulted a fan in the stands, got suspended, but came back, had A long career.
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A
Jason Kidd.
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B
Jason Kidd, domestic violence, I believe pleaded guilty to. Had a dui. He's been an NBA legend. He's been around forever. And I'm not even saying like, Jason Kidd needs to be banished from the league, but if you're going to banish a guy for making an Instagram where he doesn't like Pride Month, I think it would make sense to have standards
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A
on those sorts of things. Right.
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F
You know, and it's really an odd line for them to draw because we see so much with our athletes that an expression of faith in this country. I don't know if you guys saw this last. Last year. No. The end of the beginning of the year when the Pittsburgh Steelers were in the playoffs and they have a priest that comes and blesses the field every week. Right. And. And it's a very Catholic organization. The new coach today said about faith, I got to read this quote to you because it's awesome. Mike McCarthy said, I am aware of that. He said, this is a Catholic operation. You say three Hail Marys and everybody has a clean slate. And let's go to work. Right. So there's a lot of organizations that embrace faith. So I'm not quite sure what's going on with the NBA. I'm not an NBA fan. I haven't watched them. Michael Jordan. So, you know, I don't know what's going on there.
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A
No, I mean, it, it seems very wild. It's wild. Like we've. Our team put composed or comprised a list of all the different, you know, substance abuses, gun charges, drug related felonies, domestic abuse, domestic violence, assault cases. It's really wild.
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B
And we shouldn't forget this is the league that most has like, most prostrated itself before China, for example, where they've just overtly fired people because they've said things critical of the Chinese government. A foreign authoritarian regime in rivalry with the United States. I think the NBA leaned hardest into 2020, into woke stuff. I think. I just think it's. It's the most aggravating league. It's the most off putting one. It's the one most hostile to Americans, which is why people shouldn't watch pro basketball. That's my pitch to everyone. I'm not a big basketball fan.
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D
Yeah.
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And I guess there's clips have surfaced amid this controversy with this LGBTQ stuff with Ivy. Some people have clipped it and shared these clips as though he was admitting to being an abuser or some sort of thing. And the context from the clip, he frames it as emotional Verbal patterns tied to his own trauma and anger in his heart. Not as repeated physical beatings or something like that. No criminal record for domestic violence appears in any reporting. He has a wife and kids and speaks positively about her.
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B
It's so clearly mild. It's a guy doing faith testimony. And so, you know, it's almost certainly vastly more mild than all this criminal stuff that passes. Raised his voice to her.
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A
Yeah. And by the way, he's also said, like, the old Jaden Ivy is gone. I'm a new creation in Christ. You know, he's, like, very proud about the fact that he has been transformed. And I just say to the NBA, if there is a team out there willing to bring this guy on, just enjoy and reap the benefits of all the jersey sales. I'm told the Bulls have already sold out his jersey, like, something crazy. 20,000 jersey sales overnight. I kind of. It's frustrating because they're getting rewarded for the jersey sales, but, like, take a chance on this guy and bring him in, because I just have a feeling like, you'll probably be blessed. Selena, Zito, God bless you. Thank you for this story of the faith revival that is continuing to grow and spread behind the headlines. Thank you for making a headline about it. It's great to see you.
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F
Nice to see you guys. Have a great day.
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A
You too.
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B
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