Steve Hilton (3:33)

You're exactly right, Charlie. It's making it worse. There's a famous phrase we have for exactly this moment, adding insult to injury. What an insult. They. By doing this ridiculous. Yeah, let's put them both up on the podium, acknowledge the unfairness, the ridiculousness, the absurdity of what went on here. And they refused to actually address the problem, which is the basic common sense position that the vast majority of Americans share. That to be clear, the vast majority of Californians in a recent poll also share, which is that biological men should not be competing in girl sports. Right. Everyone agrees about that. The majority of Americans, the majority of Californians. And Gavin Newsom agrees. Because that's what he told you, Charlie. He said it was, quote, unquote, deeply unfair. So what's he done about it? Absolutely nothing. A few weeks after your conversation, he had an opportunity to do something about it. There were two bills in the state legislature, bills put forward by Republican state legislators that would have banned this absurd cruel practice. And he did absolutely nothing. He did nothing to try and help those bills go through. He was then asked about it. He said, hang on a second. The reporters said, you told Charlie Kirk, you think this is deeply unfair. Why didn't you do anything about it? And this is when it got even more unbelievable. Newsom said, well, it's really difficult. We've been trying to figure this out for two years now, and I just haven't been able to figure out what to do. It's really difficult, Charlie, with this competition Coming up. I went to the event actually, and it's not. I didn't need two years to figure this out. I figured it out in two days with serious legal advisors who've been involved with former governors of California. I went to the track and field finals myself on Saturday morning to hold a press conference with the mayor of Clovis where the event was taking place. Many girls and former athletes. I was there to make the announcement that when I'm governor and this will be banned, and here's how you do it. The law that enables this absurdity was passed in California in 2013. It's AB 1266. It enables not just biological men to compete in girl sports, but also to have access to girls locker rooms. So we saw the obscenity just a few weeks ago of a girl in the central coast of California who went before a school board to say that she and her friends were in the locker room when a biological male was changing naked right next to them in the locker room. And she couldn't do anything about it. And her words were that I felt assaulted. That was the words that she used. And the school board silenced her for trying to tell that story. That is also enabled by the same law, AB 1266, that made possible what we see what you saw on Saturday. So here's what I will do when I'm governor. My legal advice is that this state law is violatory of the state constitution in two ways. Section 28 of California's state constitution guarantees students safe schools. Section 31 bans gender discrimination. What is this if it's not discrimination and against girls? So here's what I'm going to do on day one when I'm elected governor. I will demand that the legislature overturn AB 1266. If they refuse to do that, I will file suit against them on the grounds that this law is unconstitutional and we will overturn it one way or another when I'm governor. This absurdity, this unfairness, this cruelty will end.

Charlie Kirk (7:41)

And Steve, let's play that. We have the receipts here. Let's play cut 282 please. It's like you right now should come out and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that's that. That shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out, say no, no.

Gavin Newsom (7:57)

And I appreciate but like would you.

Charlie Kirk (7:59)

Do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports?

Gavin Newsom (8:01)

Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you but not always expressed?

Charlie Kirk (8:31)

I don't know what he's talking about at the end of that, but, Steve, he could have done something and he decided not to. Your thoughts?

Steve Hilton (8:38)

Exactly. This is what we get from him. What's he even talking about? He's the governor. He's not some passive bystander. But that is how he behaves on everything. He's done nothing. He says he's been working on it for two years and can't figure out an answer. As I said, I worked on it for two days and got a concrete legal answer about how we overturn the law that enables this and stop this happening in California. This is a pattern with Gavin Newsom. He said something similar on the absolutely outrageous situation we have in California where you have taxpayer money now funding illegal immigrant health care to the tune of $10 billion, right? And he said, oh, that's really unfair. We're going to rein it in. And then guess what happened when he published his new budget, the spending on that actually went up. It increased from 9.5 billion to 12.1 billion next year. Same on homelessness. He said, oh, I'm getting tough on homelessness now. Turns out what he actually did was issue a list of suggestions to local governments that wouldn't have made any difference at all. This guy is an absolute menace. Right? He keeps saying, I'll try, I'll do this, I'll do that. I'm moving to the center. I'm becoming more moderate. The whole country needs to understand this guy doesn't do anything to make anything better. In a practical sense, it's all words, mostly incomprehensible. And on this particular issue, America should not be fooled. He's done nothing about this. He told you he thought it was deeply unfair and then did nothing. He can't be trusted. That's why I'm running for governor. We got to get change in California. We can't go on like this.

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A.B. Hernandez (12:24)

Honestly, no. I'm still a child. You're an adult and for you to act like a child shows how you are as a person. Nothing I can do about people's actions. Just focus on my own.

Charlie Kirk (12:36)

On Saturday, other competitors beat Hernandez in two of her three events. She won first place in triple jump. She is not currently ranked nationally and she has been outperformed by over 2.

A.B. Hernandez (12:48)

Meters in her jumps by girls competing.

Charlie Kirk (12:50)

In states that have banned gender affirming care.

A.B. Hernandez (12:53)

All I thought was, I don't Think you understand that this puts your idiotic claims to trash. Now you have no proof that I can't be beat.

Charlie Kirk (13:06)

Yeah, you just won the triple jump and the high jump. Then here is 264. Here's the most amazing thing. This is the girl who then got the co medal that they're doing. They're trying to fix it which makes it even worse. But she's perfectly fine with it. This if you want a picture in. I don't like picking on minors but it is what it is. Playcut264 into a picture into the window of white liberal brain rot. Play cut264.

A.B. Hernandez (13:33)

They gave me the medal I deserve. They gave her the medal that she deserved. And sharing the podium was nothing but an honor as a part of the queer community. Like I want AB Hernandez to know that we all have her back. We all have her support. Although the publicity she's receiving has been pretty negative. I believe she deserves publicity because she is a superstar. She's a rock star. She's representing who she is. And to be up there with her like that was amazing for me. Honestly. Yeah, I'm really proud of us.

Charlie Kirk (14:02)

Even though she didn't win. Steve, how are we going to end this insanity in California?

Steve Hilton (14:07)

Well, it's just, you're right, it's insane. And I want to go back to the point I made earlier which is it's worse than even this. Yes. Okay. We can all see the unfairness and the ridiculousness of the competitive aspect in sports. The analogy I make often is imagine if we said oh, you know what we're going to do now is have 19 year old men competing on the 12 year old kids soccer team. People just laugh. Well that's ridiculous. You'd never have that happen. That's the equivalent of what's going on here. But it's also the violation here of girls spaces lock, access to locker rooms. And you had a girl who was. And you made the point that you know these, some of these girls seem to go along with it. One of the reasons is I had a professional athlete join me at my press conference to announce the action that I would take as governor. Sophia Laurie, great campaigner and all this. She said, look, so many girls privately tell her they are, they are absolutely furious about all this but feel they can't speak out because they're going to be silenced or victimized in some way for telling the truth, for speaking basic truth about what, what life is all about. Then they feel that they can't say that. But this Violation in spaces, in locker rooms. Naked biological men in a girl's locker room. I mean, a few years ago we would have considered that a crime, a crime. Naked teenage boy in a girl's locker room. And now the girl gets punished for speaking out against that. I mean, this is completely insane. Insane and offensive and cruel. And that's why I'm saying very clearly I have found the way that this will be overturned when I'm governor. The law that enables this is unconstitutional. So what are we doing? The law that enables this was passed 12 years ago by the California legislature. And this shows you what you get when you have one party rule. We've had 15 years of one party rule by the Democrats. And this is just one example among many of the insanity that have ruined California. But it ends when I'm the governor. That's why I'm running for governor. I'm not telling you exactly as you said. I will have the support, and I'm getting it right now of exactly as you say, particularly the Latino community in California who've had enough of it. It's the largest group in California. I was on with Steve Bannon the other day, said, how are you going to pull this off? How are you going to win in California? Two things turn out every Trump voter. There are more than enough Trump voters in California to help me win. And secondly, working class Latinos in California who know that this is nonsense, this kind of thing, and they know they've been hammered by 15 years of Democrat. Well, we're going to end it when I'm the governor.

Charlie Kirk (16:53)

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Alex Berenson (18:38)

Sure. So last week on my sub stack, my unreported truth substack, I wrote a piece about how much Pfizer essentially interfered in the 2020 election by almost certainly intentionally withholding its results of the main MRA vaccine clinical trial until after the election. And those results, as we all know, were very positive. Now we can have a different debate about the long term efficacy of the vaccines, the long term side effects of the vaccines, all that stuff. I want to put that aside. I certainly have lots of questions about that. I've done lots of reporting about that. You know, I think along with a couple other people like Robert Malone, I've been one of the big questioners on that, put that aside. On the day that Pfizer announced the results, which was one week after the vaccine. I'm sorry, one week after election day, six days after election day, Monday, Nov. 9, 2020, the stock market went crazy. There was a global sense of relief because the results were so positive. People believe that, you know, within a matter of months everybody, you know, or almost everybody would be vaccinated. And certainly, you know, people, elderly people at high risk would be vaccinated and the epidemic would be over. And you know, those are, look, there are a lot of us like me, like you at the time, who said this is a little bit of fool's goal because we don't really necessarily need to lock down. We're overreacting to Covid as it is. But obviously we all know there were a lot of people who weren't in that category and they were desperate for a vaccine. And so the public response on that November 9th was incredibly positive. And I don't think there's any question that Donald Trump would have gotten millions more votes had that been announced in late October. Especially because although Pfizer was outside the warp speed program, it was working very closely with the US Government and was using technology that was essentially the US Government's favored technology. So had Pfizer announced those results, I think Trump gets millions more votes. I don't necessarily even think the 2020 election is close. Okay? And at that time, you, Donald Trump himself, Donald Trump Jr. There were a lot of people saying, this seems really odd. It seems really weird that these incredibly positive results, which Pfizer said were going to be announced in October, suddenly got delayed just a few extra days. How did this happen? And of course, people like you, people like Donald Trump himself, got smeared as conspiracy theorists. This is a conspiracy. Pfizer did whatever they could. They did it at the speed of science. And it turns out this is just another conspiracy that turns out to be completely true. You were correct. Donald Trump was correct. Pfizer is no friend of Donald Trump's. Albert Bourla is no. Who's the CEO of Pfizer, no friend of Donald Trump's. And if you look at the timeline and you go into what Pfize actually knew and when it knew it, I don't think there can be any question that they could have announced these results possibly as early as mid October, certainly by about October 25th or so, and they chose not to do so.

Charlie Kirk (21:56)

So, I love this story, and I think you just handled that so perfectly. I want to dive even deeper into this, Alex, which is the efficacy and the problems with the vaccine, myocarditis, pericarditis, all that stuff. That's not even what we're talking about here. We're talking about a political moment. We're talking about how this impacted a presidential election. This is an inarguable fact that, remember, back during that time, a lot of people were bundled up, they were locked down. They were scared. They were afraid because of all the propaganda networks. And the news of a vaccine very well could have put President Trump so above and beyond any margin of tomfoolery and skullduggery during the 2020 election, as evidenced by when they did this. So I want you now, Alex, to make the case. What did Pfizer do exactly? How did they delay this? What was their internal rationale? Was it nakedly political? Because essentially, Pfizer, now, as it is clear in front of us, was now the most proven interferer of an American presidential election of my lifetime. Prove me wrong, Alex Berenson.

Alex Berenson (22:59)

So. So this is a great question. I can tell you what they did. I can't tell you yet why they did it, except that, as I write in this substack, Albert Borla in 2022 said some very negative things about Donald Trump. You know, he's a CEO. He's sort of cautious politically. But you got to remember, in 2021, 2022, Donald Trump was, you know, was not president. It didn't seem like there was much chance necessarily that he was going to become president. And a lot of CEOs, I think, felt freer to say what they really thought of him, and certainly Borla did. And beyond that, there's a guy named Jonathan Zenleman, Dr. Jonathan Zetleman, and Zettleman was. He doesn't work for Pfizer, but Pfizer hired him to be an independent data monitor for the trial. So, in other words, if the results were really good, he's the one who would tell Pfizer. So Pfizer runs the trial on behalf of itself and Biontech, which is a German company that actually developed the MRNA technology that's in that vaccine. But Pfizer theoretically doesn't know what the results are until this guy, Jonathan Zenleman, tells them. And he has the ability to what's called break the blind, to go look at the data. And Zettleman is openly a Democratic partisan. He donated to ActBlue in 2020. He donated to Obama's campaign back in 2008. His wife donated to Joe Biden himself. And so this guy and this guy wrote something extremely negative about Trump, Donald Trump in April 2020. And so this is the guy who, as much as Albert Bourla, has the ability to essentially let the world know what's going on in the trial. So as. As the trial is progressing, Pfizer starts this trial in July, and it's in a big race with Moderna, which was the other MRNA vaccine company. And both these companies know we want to get this out as quickly as possible because there's going to be big financial rewards, there's going to be big reputational rewards. I don't think it's wrong to say that Albert Bourla in 2021 was the most powerful private citizen in the world. You know, people were calling him up, begging for Pfizer's vaccine. So they want this out best. But then in September, when it's clear that there's a real chance that the results of this trial are going to be out well in advance of the election, people in the public Health community go crazy and they push back and they say if this scene isn't tested enough there, you know, nobody on the left is going to trust it. It's going to be Donald Trump's vaccine. We can't let Donald Trump interfere with science. We need more safety data. Okay? The FDA then essentially uses that as an excuse to say, we want two months of safety data. And guess what? Two months of safety data means that the, that the vaccine can't go into people's arms until mid. No, mid October, I'm sorry, mid November at the absolute earliest. In other words, because they demanded this extra data, which they hadn't previously said. They only said this in September. We're going to need this extra data. Okay. That's not the same as effectiveness, though. This is safety data that the FDA wants. Pfizer can still tell you the vaccine is working as they did on November 9th, without saying, we're going to apply for what's called an eua, actually putting it in people's arms today. So, but what this does what the FDA's move, which they did intentionally, and I think knowing that it was going to enable Pfizer to do this, this was sort of a hand in glove. Public health on the left, Pfizer on the left, game to deny Trump the fruits of how successful this vaccine was going to be. Pfizer says, okay, we need more safety data. What that means is that even if we announce that the vaccine is really effective in mid October, we're not going to be able to apply to put it in people's arms until mid November. Guess what this gives us control about when we actually announce that the vaccine is working. And they had very good reason to know that the vaccine was working because of. It gets complicated. It gets into when cases were quote, unquote, accruing in the trial. So in other words, the vaccine works so well early on. Again, we're talking about months here. We're not talking about years. We're not talking about whether the vaccine works in the long term. In the very short term, after you get that second MRNA shot, you have a very, very low chance of getting Covid. And so they can see that. And also, one thing that people don't realize, I think even people in the scientific community, is that in a big company like Pfizer, there are going to be a handful of people who have open access to the trial data, even when it's supposed to be blinded. And they kind of have to have that. Because if something is going terribly wrong with the vaccine Somebody inside the company needs to know that quickly. But what that means is that the company doesn't. This idea that the company doesn't know what's going on is not really true. So Pfizer had very good reason to know what was happening in October. And at the same time, it's clear that the guy who had the best access was vehemently anti Trump and that Borla himself, Albert Borla, the chief executive adviser, was also anti Trump.

Charlie Kirk (28:31)

Again, I actually want to trust my public health authorities. I want to trust the largest pharmaceutical company, but I don't. And I didn't trust them before any of this and now shouldn't trust them now through every prism. No, I mean, it's so repulsive and disgusting. And again, I will repeat this, that the 2020 election was so interfered with and Donald Trump still, after all of that, only fell 43,000 votes short. It's rather remarkable and thank you, Alex, for mentioning it. I was so condemned. I was so smeared because when this happened, I said, oh, they totally had the data earlier. Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. Turns out I was right. And we were right. America's small businesses rely on TikTok to succeed, helping them attract more customers and drive more growth. From small batch sellers to fast growing brands, 74% of businesses on TikTok say it's helped them scale. We go super viral on TikTok here on this program, reaching billions and billions of views. You see by hiring more employees, boosting sales and expanding new locations. Like AZ Taco King, who grew up from a mom and pop taco cart to two thriving restaurants in just a year. Or Coco Asante, who upgraded to a larger facility and brought on more staff, letting their handcrafted chocolates reach more customers. Or Dan O. Seasonings, who went from a one man show to team of 45, now supporting dozens of hard working families. With TikTok, small businesses are thriving. Ours certainly is. Again reaching hundreds of millions of people a week on TikTok. One of the reasons we're able to win the youth vote is thanks to what we can do on TikTok, finding their customers and expanding. Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the U.S. economy at Tiktokeconomicimpact.com so check it out. Tiktokeconomicimpact dot com Tiktokeconomicimpact. Com Portions of the Charlie Kirkshow are brought to you in part by Tiktokeconomicimpact.com okay, so Alex, Alex Berenson is here. Has anyone apologized, Anyone taking responsibility for this? Is there any contrition from Albert Boula, from Pfizer? Alex?

Alex Berenson (30:35)

I mean, why would there be contrition? They, you know, they haven't admitted the vaccine, you know, didn't work nearly as well as they expected. They haven't admitted that, you know, that lockdowns were a disaster. They haven't admitted anything. They never admit anything. These people, they all pretend that they are, you know, believers in science and truth and that, you know, anybody who opposes them is just some mouth breathing, you know, nut. And none of that is true. And when you catch them, they just ignore it, which is exactly what Pfizer's done. So Pfizer, instead of, you know, owning up to this, they'll never own up to this, you know, has spent a lot of its money trying to get back in good with Donald Trump. And as somebody I know who, you know, too, said to me, you know, Trump has this reputation of being such a, you know, such a retributionist. The fact is he's often too forgiving. He should, these people should not be anywhere near him. They, they made a decision, a conscious decision to sit on results that probably, as you said, would have made it outside the, any margin of error that would have, that would have, you know, definitely changed the national mood in October 2020. And, and, you know, because, because they're good at sort of spending corporate money. He, you know, he or people around him are still listening to Albert Borla. I mean, this is one reason I'm glad to be on with you, because I know people in the White House listen to you and see, you know, see you. And I just, I think it's crazy.

Charlie Kirk (32:05)

No, no, he should be totally cut off. I mean, first of all, just the whole Pfizer vaccine stuff in general is that deserves its own entire trek. What we're talking about here, though, is a interference of a major company worth hundreds of billions of dollars that says we do not want a certain political outcome and therefore we are not going to allow the trials to come out. And if anybody deserved to have that election bump, it should have been President Trump, because he actually ushered in Operation Warp Speed. There were a lot of problems with that. And I think he was taken advantage of and I think he was misled in that process. But if anybody deserved to have the political fruit and the political momentum, it should have been Donald Trump, not Joe Biden. Correct?

Alex Berenson (32:49)

Alex Berenson, you're absolutely correct about that. And again, I think it's been forgotten that in August, In September of 2020, there was a big push from the left to try to discredit these vaccines. And Andrew Cuomo at one point said New York State is going to do its own evaluation of the vaccines. We're not going to trust the fda, which was an absolutely crazy thing to say. And so, you know, there was a, there was a push on the left to discredit this. And then all of a sudden when, when, when it becomes clear that Biden is going to be sworn in in 2021 and the vaccine is, at least in the short term, a way out, the, suddenly everything flips and everybody on the left, everybody in the media, everybody in public health starts talking about how wonderful these vaccines are, how it really was astonishing to see and it has been forgotten. And, and you know, and the smearing of you and of Donald Trump himself and of other people as conspiracy theorists is just part of this. And, and you know, it disturbs me. It's wrong and it's, it's just part and parcel of what's wrong with the, you know, I mean this is, this is really, I hate to use the term the deep state. It's not a term that I favor, but this is the deep state in action. This is the FDA and the public health complex, the FDA of the time working together to try to keep a person they didn't like from getting the benefit of this good news.

Charlie Kirk (34:16)

Alex, excellent reporting. I hope you stay on these guys because they need to feel the heat from every possible direction. And some people don't want to cover the story. And our audience say, oh, you know, some people say, oh, you know, the vaccine, all these problems, that's not, we're talking about a political question. You can't, you guys can't under. It actually has very little to do with the vaccine, has to do with the psychological momentum of what that election was. This was direct, verifiable, proven transparent election interference by a multi hundred billion dollar pharmaceutical conglomerate. And they're supposed to get away with it? I don't think so. Alex Berenson, stay on them. You're welcome back anytime. Thanks so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, free to make charliekirk. Com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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