How the Big Beautiful Bill Affects Our Big Beautiful Border

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show Episode Title: How the Big Beautiful Bill Affects Our Big Beautiful Border
Release Date: May 20, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Tom Homan, Border Czar

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Introduction

In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk, while traveling in the United Kingdom, delves into the intricacies of the "Big Beautiful Bill" and its profound impact on U.S. border security. With guest Tom Homan, the Border Czar, the discussion centers on the bill's provisions, funding requirements, and the broader implications for immigration policy and national security.

Overview of the Big Beautiful Bill

Border Security Enhancements Tom Homan provides a comprehensive breakdown of how the bill aims to fortify the U.S. border. Key components include:

• Increase in Border Patrol Agents: The bill allocates funds to hire more border agents, addressing the current shortfall.

  "It's going to add more border agents, border patrol agents to the border..." [02:42]

• Technological Upgrades: Implementation of advanced technology at ports of entry to enhance drug and contraband detection while expediting legal trade.

  "It's going to add more technology to port of entry so we seize more drugs, more contraband coming through." [02:42]

• Wall Completion: Funding to complete several hundred miles of the border wall, complemented by water buoys to prevent illegal crossings via rivers, thereby saving lives.

  "It's gonna save a lot of lives. Because once a lot of illegal aliens see that buoy that you can't get over you, they won't risk getting in the river and drowning." [02:42]

• Communication Improvements: Investment in technology to enhance communication among border patrol agents, especially in areas lacking radio towers.

  "There are a lot of areas on the border where there is no radio tower. There is no capability of a repeater system." [02:42]

Interior Operations Funding The bill also focuses on strengthening interior operations by:

• Increasing ICE Personnel: Funding for an additional 10,000 ICE agents to address the vast number of illegal aliens.

  "It's going to increase ICE by 10,000, which we need right now." [02:42]

• Detention Facilities Expansion: Allocating funds to build more detention beds, addressing the current capacity issues.

  "We need 100,000 beds... It's going to let us find beds because every person we arrest, we got to admit them before we get travel docs and send them home." [02:42]

Funding and Budget Discussions

Andrew Colvett and Tom Homan engage in a detailed discussion about the bill's financial aspects. The conversation highlights the urgent need for funding to implement the bill's provisions fully.

"I'd like to see more, but right now we're hurting for every dollar that we can get right now." [06:01]

Homan emphasizes the critical necessity of immediate funding to maintain and expand border operations, citing current deficits and the pressing need for resources to handle the detained individuals.

Deportation Goals and Challenges

The bill sets ambitious targets for mass deportations, aiming for half a million to a million per year. Homan discusses the feasibility of these numbers, acknowledging both the potential and the obstacles.

"Half a million is absolutely realistic. We're shooting for a million." [07:40]

Challenges include:

• Manpower Shortages: The current ratio of ERO officers to illegal aliens is inadequate.

  "There are 6,000 ERO officers compared to 20 million illegal aliens." [07:40]

• Sanctuary Cities and Political Opposition: Sanctuary jurisdictions impede enforcement efforts, and nationwide injunctions slow down operations.

  "Sanctuary cities... make your community safer and not assist us with criminals, public safety threats in your community." [09:28]

Messages to Opponents and Law Enforcement Support

Homan addresses representatives opposing the bill, emphasizing accountability and the rule of law. He underscores that no one is above the law, including elected officials.

"Shame on you. You can support sanctuary cities. Shame on you. Sanctuary cities." [09:28]

Homan articulates a firm stance against those who impede ICE operations, asserting that criminal actions against agents will be prosecuted.

Legislative Process and Challenges in the Senate

Andrew Colvett outlines the legislative hurdles the bill faces, particularly in the Senate. The key issues include:

• SALT Deductions: State and Local Tax (SALT) deductions remain a sticking point, with certain representatives holding out for more substantial reductions.

• Budget Deficits: Concerns about the bill increasing the deficit due to expanded Medicaid spending.

Colvett expresses skepticism about the bill's passage in its current form, predicting it may face significant challenges and potential amendments before moving forward.

SALT Deductions Debate

The debate around SALT deductions is a central theme, with representatives like Rep. Andy Harris highlighting concerns over Medicaid spending under the bill.

"If somebody's able bodied and they can go get a job and they're living in their mom's basement playing video games, I'm sorry, you got to go get a job." [22:44]

Harris argues that without significant spending reductions, particularly in Medicaid, the bill cannot move forward effectively.

Medicaid and Medicare Reforms

Discussion shifts to Medicaid reforms, focusing on eliminating fraud, waste, and abuse. Key points include:

• Targeting Fraud: Efforts to remove individuals unlawfully claiming Medicaid benefits across multiple states.

  "We were able to determine that there are a million people who are claiming Medicaid from multiple states. That's illegal." [16:31]

• Spending Increases: Despite reforms, Medicaid spending is projected to increase by 25% over the next decade.

  "We're left with at least a 25% increase in Medicaid over the next 10 years from the current spending level." [22:08]

The conversation underscores the complexity of balancing Medicaid reform with budgetary constraints.

Criticism of Media and Joe Biden's Health

The episode concludes with a critique of media figures like Jake Tapper and discussions surrounding President Joe Biden's health.

"He is one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical, garbage people on television." [31:51]

Andrew Colvett questions the transparency and accuracy of information regarding Biden's health, suggesting that reports of his cancer diagnosis have been mishandled or concealed.

Conclusion

The Charlie Kirk Show episode provides an in-depth analysis of the Big Beautiful Bill, focusing on its implications for border security and immigration enforcement. With expert insights from Tom Homan, the discussion highlights both the bill's strengths and the legislative challenges it faces. Emphasizing the urgent need for funding and comprehensive reforms, the episode underscores the broader political and social stakes involved in passing such significant legislation.

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Notable Quotes:

• "It's going to add more border agents, border patrol agents to the border..." – Tom Homan [02:42]

• "Half a million is absolutely realistic. We're shooting for a million." – Tom Homan [07:40]

• "Shame on you. You can support sanctuary cities. Shame on you. Sanctuary cities." – Tom Homan [09:28]

• "We're left with at least a 25% increase in Medicaid over the next 10 years from the current spending level." – Andy Harris [22:08]

• "He is one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical, garbage people on television." – Andrew Colvett [31:51]

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for listeners and non-listeners alike.

Transcript

[Andrew Colvett]

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show from the Bitcoin mobile studio, Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who's traveling in the United Kingdom. We talk about the one big beautiful bill, what's in it, what's good, what's bad, what needs to be corrected, and how can we get to the finish line? Also, we have border czar Tom Homan, who says why he loves the bill, why he needs the bill, more internal enforcement, more border security, more tech. That part is key. If President Trump was elected for any reason, it was because of immigration. He was elected for a lot of reasons. But that issue is key. And we have Borders art, Tom Homan himself coming on to explain why he needs this bill to get his job done. Let's dive into it. Buckle up. Here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are.

[Tom Homan]

Lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Andy Harris]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Mike Johnson]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who is traveling the globe. He's in the United Kingdom today. Lots of fun stuff he just debated at Cambridge yesterday about. It was legitimately about 400 students to one very raucous crowd. I'm excited to hear his feedback on that. Today he's going to be at Oxford, so say a prayer that the truth would get out and the conservative values would continue spreading across the globe. The revival that we see in the United States would happen abroad. But I do not want to waste any time. We have a very special guest, Borders r Tom Homan joining the show. Mr. Borders are welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Tom Homan]

Hey, thanks for having me.

[Andrew Colvett]

So want to jump right in this big one, Big beautiful bill, one of the Main priorities is securing the border, but mass deportations as well. Tell us what's in the bill that you love, that you're excited about, that your border agents need, the border security needs.

[Tom Homan]

Well, look, it's going to add more border agents, border patrol agents to the border, along with ofo, which are the people working the port of entries. It's going to add more technology to port of entry so we seize more drugs, more contraband coming through. Still speeding up the legal trade, but having the most recent up to date technology to move traffic quicker but still catch the contraband. It's gonna help us finish the wall. I mean, not only finish the wall, several hundred miles of the wall, but it's gonna also run several hundred miles of water buoys, buoys placed in the river that are actually very, very effective. And it's gonna save lives. Because once a lot of illegal aliens see that buoy that you can't get over you, they won't risk getting in the river and drowning. It's going to save a lot of lives. But the technology, even the existing wall, the new wall that President Trump built under 45, Joe Biden came in and not only ended building more wall, but ended the technology that went into the existing wall that allows agents to have. If you touch the wall, we know. If you dig under the wall, we know. If you climb the wall, we know. Because there's all sorts of technology within that wall, but most importantly within that technology give border patrol agents ability to talk to one another in dead areas. There's a lot of areas on the border where there is no radio tower. There is no capability of a repeater system. So when agents got to have an emergency talk to another agent for backup. There are some dead areas on the border that's going to improve communications all across the border. So that's there's going to fund that in borders. We can finish what we started. The border is more secure in a lifetime. We got to finish the job. This could be the first administration ever to have total operational control of our southern border. So we need to finish it. We need money to do that. As far as interior operations that funds more ICE agents, it's going to fund more detention beds, which we really seriously need right now. We got about 50,000 in detention. We need 100,000 beds. Even put a dent in what we're trying to do here. So it's going to let us find beds because every person we arrest, we got to bet them before we get travel docs and send them home. So it's going to buy us more beds. It's going to buy us more vehicles. It's going increase ICE by 10,000, which we need right now. There's 6,000 ERO officers compared to 20 million illegal aliens. You know, so we got a big hill to climb. So it's going to add more agents, it's going to add more money for more beds. It's going to add money for more transport, both over the ground, bus transport in the interior, plus international flights is going to add money to that. It's also going to allow us to build out more contract work. So rather than a badge and gun with Title 8 authority, immigration authority sitting doing administrative job, let's get a contractor to do that job and put that badge and gun on the street. So allow us for all these things so we can continue doing what we're doing. Increasing interior enforcement arrest as the American people have mandated President Trump to do. It's going to let us finish the job we started. We're doing great, but we need more money. The more money we have, the more good stuff we can do.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And Mr. Homan, you have come on this show before and you asked for about 150 to 175 billion. I've heard you use both numbers in passing. So this allocates 150 billion via defense spending, but then another 70 billion for border security funding. Is it enough?

[Tom Homan]

I'd like to see more, but right now we're hurting for every dollar that we can get right now. This morning I woke up, looked at empty beds. We got about 2,800 empty beds right now. We'll fill them in three days. So we need money quickly. Buy more beds or everything stops. So I'll take whatever we can get because every dollar we got means we're going to do more work. I'd like to see, like you said earlier, 150 billion just on border and interior enforcement, but we'll see where the final number comes out. But, you know, we need desperately need the money right now. I think ICE is in the hole. You know, half a billion dollars. I think they're in the hole, almost $500 million because we got over 52,000 in detention. We're funded at 34, so we're already in the hole. So a lot of this money is going to be, you know, getting ICE out of the hole plus adding beds to get above the line. So we desperately need money. So I hope the final number is bigger than that, but I'll take what we can get.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, Mr. Homan, you are. You've come on this show before in the past as well, and you've, you've said, hey, listen, we're doing the first. Worst we're getting the worst are getting out first, but we got to do more. And I believe I've heard numbers around 100, 150,000 that have been deported so far. What is. I've seen that you've been frustrated that you couldn't get that higher, faster. But again, this, this resource crunch that you're experiencing at ICE and dhs, will this deliver, let's say, half a million to a million deportations a year? Is that a number that's realistic if this, this budget gets passed?

[Tom Homan]

Well, half a million is absolutely realistic. We're shooting for a million. But a half a million is realistic. And look, with sanctuary cities, they're, you know, they, they put, you know, speed bumps in on us. Yes, because, you know, red and wrestling bad guy in the county jail. Now we gotta go to community and find him. Somebody don't wanna be found. That slows us down. We judges issuing nationwide injunctions against our enforcement operations. That slows us down. But again, it's all about manpower. It's all about more money for manpower, more marketing for targeting. Look, there's a lot of smart companies out there, a lot of smart businesses out there with the most recent technology to help us find those people that don't want to be found. So bring some of these contracts up, help improve targeting. But the most important thing is resources. Beds, Planes, buses and boots on the ground. And this bill will get us there. It'll get us the resources we need. I'm looking to do three times more than we're currently doing. So the numbers are hard. Biden's numbers, I should be happy with that, but I'm not.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we love.

[Tom Homan]

I'm not satisfied. We got a lot more.

[Andrew Colvett]

We love that about you, Tom. We love that about you. That you are never going to be satisfied until every person who broke the law to get into this country is held accountable. Put to the back of the line, gone through the legal process. Now, I wanna bring this up. I debated whether or not to, because I think it's ridiculous. But this Rep. Lamonica McIver, she was just charged yesterday. Alina Haba, acting U.S. attorney in the Newark area, charged her. President Trump says, give me a break. Did you see her? She was out of control. What's your message to representatives like Lamonica McIver that are actively assaulting ICE agents and the people that work under you?

[Tom Homan]

The same message I've used since January 20th with sanctuary jurisdictions and politicians. I said, you know, I've been saying a thousand times, you cannot support ice. Shame on you. You can support sanctuary cities. Shame on you. Sanctuary cities. You can step back and watch us do your job, make your community safer and not assist us with criminals, public safety threats in your community. But don't cross that line. I've used the term don't cross the line since January 20th. If you cross a line of impeding our enforcement efforts, that's a felony. If you cross that line annoyingly and harboring or concealing an illegal alien from mice, that's a felony. You can't criminal trespass in our facilities and you certainly, certainly can't put hands on an ICE officer. And that's what she did. So she's being held accountable. Remember, we got two judges being prosecuted, we got a mayor that's arrested, we got a congresswoman. And look, they're not above the law either. They've been preaching four years. Trump wasn't above the law. Well, either are they. And we're going, I wasn't bluffing. We're going to hold people accountable. You break the law, we're going to seek prosecution.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think I join with millions of Americans around the country and say, Mr. Borders are, you are a breath of fresh air. You're a national treasure. We have your back 100%. Thank you for coming on the show. We hope that this bill gets passed. If there's anything that needs to get fixed, we wanna see em fixed. But we hope this bill gets passed and you get the resources you need to protect this country. We're honored that you're serving in the way you are. Thank you, Jay.

[Tom Homan]

Thank you for having me.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie Kirk is on assignment in the United Kingdom. We're excited to hear updates as they come. I'm your guest host, Andrew Colvitt. Honored to be with you as always, when I get the opportunity. So today the big news, and we just had Tom Homan on a great American, absolute patriot. But the big news today is that President Trump visited Capitol Hill to go whip votes for his one big beautiful bill. Now, if I could lay out the landscape for you, it's essentially this. You've got the salt holdouts. Now, this is despite the fact that they've increased salt deductions from about 12 to $30,000. New York Congressman like Rep. Lawlor are saying that's not going to be good enough. Lalota the same. I think they're out way over their skis on this. If somebody lives in California would personally benefit from something like this, they're way out over their skis. And I'll tell you why, because this is going to get to the U.S. senate. And there are approximately this many senators that care about these salt deductions. It's different than the House. In the House, you can have conservatives that are elected in districts that are conservative In a blue state. That's not the case with the, with the United States Senate. Those are statewide races. And if you are a conservative, you're not going to win those races. Right? So that's why it's going to go and die in the U.S. senate. And so the salt folks need to take a win, they need to take a middle ground and get to a point. Now, Speaker Johnson offered a 40,000 for four years deduction and then it would revert back, they say that's not good enough. They're asking for 50 over 10 years guaranteed or something. Approximately. At that point, when the, when, when we're dealing with a bill where the math does, does not work out, where the, the ends do not meet and we're looking at a deficit increase, not a reduction, that dog ain't gonna hunt. So I wanna just, you know, echo President Trump and say that the salt deductions, it's helping blue state governors. Now we wanna help all states. But we don't wanna encourage blue states that are taxing at a huge high rate and then they get rewarded for it and the federal government bails them out. We wanna encourage good behavior, we wanna incentivize. The other issue is Medicaid and Medicare, okay, Medicare. The Democrats are going out there and they are saying that Republicans are going to cut Medicare, they're going to cut Medicaid. That's not true. There's a lot of waste, fraud and abuse. There's illegal aliens, there's murderers, known murderers that are taking Medicaid. Now Medicaid is designed to help those, it's mean tested. So that means it's designed to help those that need it, right? The poor working class, pregnant mothers. And there's a lot of waste, fraud and abuse. So let's hear it in President Trump's own words so we can get this out of the way.

[Mike Johnson]

The only thing we're cutting is waste, fraud and abuse. We're not changing Medicaid and we're not changing Medicare and we're not changing Social Security. Security.

[Andrew Colvett]

He says it very clearly. We're not changing, we're just getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. That's a, that's a really big thing to get rid of. And by the way, that there is a, there is so much waste, fraud and abuse in Medicaid that I don't think the average American can fully appreciate. And the Democrats are hopping up and down, screaming, crying. That is misplaced outrage. That's a lie. That's fear mongering. That's not what's happening here. Let's get to another person that you may not, may not expect to hear from in the Medicaid debate, and that's RFK Jr. Now, obviously, as Secretary of Health and Human Services, he knows a thing or two about what's going on in the health space. So do you disagree with the cuts.

[Charlie Kirk]

That are being proposed for Medicaid right now?

[RFK Jr.]

Oh, the cuts. You know, this is a, I don't know if you understand this or whether you're just mouthing, you know, the Democratic talking points. Cuts to Medicaid are for fraud, waste and abuse. And I'll tell you what that means. We were able to determine, and it's about 8 million people who would be affected because of Doge. We were able to determine that there are a million people who are claiming Medicaid from multiple states. That's illegal.

[Andrew Colvett]

A million people claiming Medicaid from multiple states. Obviously that's illegal, but I just want to Be very clear, I'm sympathetic to the budget hawks. We want to see the budget balanced. We want to see the spending go down to pre Covid levels. This bill does not do that and we have to be very clear about that. Now the question then becomes, does the bill deserve to pass at all? I believe yes, it does. I believe there's a few cuts, there's a few tweaks that need to happen. President Trump is saying this morning that he wants to see this bill go over to the Senate. He likes what they are proposing even more than what the House has. He says they have a few things that he likes even better. Now they don't have a bill written, but President Trump is behind the scenes. He's working on some of these negotiations. He sees some of the stuff and he likes it better. So this bill is gonna be tweaked between now and then. In the next segment, I want to get in touch to some of the comments Rep. Andy Harris made on War Room yesterday with Steve Bannon. I think they are legitimate and I want to dive into them.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so this one big beautiful bill. Let's give it some do. I do have some notes? I have some notes. That's okay. We support the President's agenda. We think this is going to get passed. It has to get passed. You heard from Tom Homan, he needs every dollar he can get to get these mass deportations up, which I believe is the one main reason Trump was elected. For a lot of reasons. It was a large coalition with a lot of priorities. The border was number one. We got to get this passed, even if it's just for the border. By the way, we tax remittances. That's when foreigners, often illegals, send money back to their home country, the place where they should go be living right now. We tax that. It's good. It's an incentive to say, hey, you're not going to get away for free here. All right, we're either going to deport you or we're going to tax you. No, no free rides, folks. But let's give the bill its due. All right, this is Mike Johnson talking about some of the good things in the bill.

[Mike Johnson]

We're repealing and rolling back over $500 billion in funding for the radical green New Deal policies from Biden's so called inflation reduction act. We call it the inflation Act. We're ending Biden's war on American energy. We're banning Medicaid dollars from going to transgender surgeries for minors. We're canceling Biden's student loan repayment program. We're increasing university endowment tax for these big WOKE institutions. We're revoking tax against status for nonprofits that materially support terrorism. We're doubling the jail time for leaks of confidential taxpayer information. We're eliminating big businesses ability to engage in WOKE PR campaigns to facilitate refundability for green energy projects. We're incentivizing federal workforce to be at will employees. And we're repealing Biden's disastrous EV mandate.

[Andrew Colvett]

So let's give it its due. This bill is beautiful. There is a lot of big beautifulness in this bill. We like this bill directionally. This bill is great. Okay? What we're talking about is fighting over the edges. But those edges can have massive implications, especially when it comes to Medicare. Medicaid. Pardon me, Medicaid. The Medicaid scam that some of these states pool is incredible. Now we're getting rid of these able bodied subsidies, right? So if somebody's able to work and they're not working and we're still funding them, this is the number one area of expansion of the federal budget. And nobody is seriously trying to fight this except for these four holdouts. So my sympathies lie with them genuinely. And I want to hear from Rep. Andy Harris here.

[Andy Harris]

Bottom line is if we don't get significant spending reduction, this bill is not going anywhere. This week we were warning about it in the Freedom Caucus for, for really years that we have to get our debt and deficit in order. You know, they're whistling past the graveyard. It's like that never happened. But it did happen and we have to get back to pre Covid spending levels wherever we can. We certainly can with Medicaid because the fraud, waste and abuse, the gaming of the system, the giving benefits to, you know, two and a half million, two and a half million illegal immigrants, I mean this is ridiculous. It has to stop. We have a long way to go. We don't get there by Wednesday and the word is they want to have this vote Wednesday. There's just no way it's passing on Wednesday.

[Andrew Colvett]

He continues.

[Andy Harris]

This is the graph of what the Republican plan is for Medicaid spending over the next 10 years. This assumes that we actually get all the able bodied single people without children on Medicaid to agree to work 20 hours a week or volunteer at a church or train. And if we eliminate all the fraud, waste and abuse and there's plenty of it, we're left with at least a 25% increase in Medicaid over the next 10 years from the current spending level. Only in Washington could anyone claim that's a cut.

[Andrew Colvett]

So that was obviously from the House floor. Now there is a scam here where and people this is gets wonky. I don't want to get too into the weeds but it's called fmap. It's the, it's the federal I'll get the acronym for you in a second. It's the Federal Medical Assistance percentage. So basically it's a mean tested program meaning that the poorer states get more federal matching dollars than the rich states. But what the states do, and this is one of Chip Roy's big problems is that they, they charge a provider tax on it. So if we send $10,000 to California they'll bump it up by 5% and then there's little carve outs and then they take that money and they fund medical and they give it to illegals or different things or Planned Parenthood. That stuff needs to stop. And Chiproid's 100% right on that. So where we stand right now on the big beautiful bill, Chip Roy is probably a no. All the salt guys, that would be Stefanik Garbarino, Lawlor Lalota Young, Kim tong, Tom King Jr. Langworthy, those guys are all probably a no because they're going to hold fast in their coalition for these SALT exemptions. Now, again, I think that that horse ain't going to hunt. They've already gotten a concession, maybe albeit a small one. That's what you're going to get when it goes to the Senate. That's not going to, that's not going to pass. And a no for now. These are people that I believe will support the bill. They're speaking in such a way that says that they are going to support the bill, but they want to hold out for some additional tweaks. And again, Trump has said he's open to tweaks. He wants tweaks, but he wants this to pass and he wants to pass soon. That's Ralph Norman, Eli Crane, the great Eli Crane From Arizona, Rich McCormick, Eric Burleson, Mark Harris, Andrew Clyde, Tim Burchette, Keith Self, Warren Davidson, Andy Biggs, Andy Harris, Andy Ogles. Now, these are a lot of the Freedom Caucus guy, the budget hawks. Trump said in his presser this morning, he said, lay off my Freedom Caucus guy. Those are my people. So there's no beef there. Now. Now, Thomas Massie and Trump, that that relationship is basically done. He wants, Trump is saying he wants Thomas Massie out. He doesn't understand government. Thomas Massie's and always know there's nothing I can do to win their vote. Okay, well, that's one. We don't have much more to give than that. All right. And we were going to have Chip Roy on this morning, unfortunately, schedules, everything's going crazy. But he was scheduled to be on right now, explaining some of his holdouts now some of his reservations. But I think he's, he's making some good points that we have to stop the expansion of this Medicaid graft and spending and abuse. Illegals have no place on this on Medicaid that we need to get them all off. I think everybody's united on that. We have to stop this FMAP stuff where we're paying way too much to the states and we're incentivizing them to expand the amount of spending in this way. So, all in all, there's a lot to love in this bill. It is 95% of the way there, maybe 98% of the way there. But the devil is in the details. These last 2% are important fixes. I do want to see them get, get fixed and hopefully we see some progress on them. Now you've got this bill will now have to go to the Senate. Okay. So we don't know how this is going to happen. We are told that we're not going to have a CBO score until after they vote on this bill. So that to me is a little bit fishy as well. Now I get the urgency that we want to push this forward. We want to push this forward, we want to push this forward. We want to get Trump as win. We all agree, we love 95%, 98% of this bill, but we got to make sure that we bring these no votes into the fold. Listen to some of their pushbacks. Now this salt thing I think is dead on arrival. I told you that multiple times. But what are we going to do here? Is Steve Scalise admitting that Medicaid is in fact going to grow? 207.

[Steve Scalise]

Medicaid still grows under this bill. If somebody's able bodied and they can go get a job and they're living in their mom's basement playing video games, I'm sorry, you got to go get a job. This program was designed for the truly needy. The disabled people, pregnant women, seniors. Those are the people we're going to help more by shoring the program up.

[Andrew Colvett]

So there's no cuts. I would like to see more cuts, but the fear mongering from the left is just simply not true. Even Andy Harris admits it. This is going to grow by about 25% over the next couple of years and we're going to see what happens. These are going to be high drama if you are a fan of Congress, which would make you in the minority, but if you enjoy the way the sausage gets made, these, this is high drama stuff. You're going to, you're going to be glued to your X feed and to your television screen for the next couple of days. But this, this is high drama stuff. Again, the SALT caucus is breaking. They have reached out to the speaker to tell him they are a no on the bill after the Trump speech at the conference. So again, SALT caucus, that would be the Stefanik, Garbarino, Lawler, Lalota Young, Kim, Tom King, Jr. Langworthy. Those, those guys are all no. So there's still no. They're holding out for more SALT reductions. Trump told Lawler this morning during, during his session with House Republicans. He said, I know your district better than you do and if you're going to lose because you don't get salt reductions, you were going to lose anyway. I think he's probably right on that. But it is very possible that Trump's tough language could have driven a wedge even further, made them dig in even further. Here we're going to see how that plays out. But we don't have a bill yet. We love most of it. We want to see it get passed. We want to see the president's agenda. These tax cuts. He's 100% right. Nobody's fighting the tax cuts. By the way, there will be a massive tax increase if this bill does not get passed. We got to see it get passed. But in the meantime, few little tweaks, few little things here and there. All right, folks, that's probably going to be the gist of my coverage on this one big beautiful bill. I want to get into some stuff that I saw Pete Hegseth say about the DoD. There's also some breaking news that we want to get to in some other areas of the news this morning in our final segment of the hour. So if you also, if you think about it, please say a prayer for Charlie Kirk. He is out in the uk. He's going to have a big debate at Oxford today. So say a prayer. We'll be right back.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Why refi.com so let's talk about Joe Biden. So this is the piece that just like drives me nuts. Let me just tell you, Jake Tapper has a new book called Original Sin. Now that's an ironic title because he's talking about the COVID up of Joe Biden's mental decline. And now, of course, Joe Biden has been diagnosed with cancer. Really aggressive form of cancer. He's an old man. It's not surprising. A lot of men get prostate cancer later in life. And Jake Tapper is making money off of this book and acting holier than thou, getting ahead of the narrative, as they say. Now, it's good, it's a good calm strategy, but essentially Democrats got caught hiding the unhidable. So it's so brazen, it's so extreme that in this case, I think it's a terrible calm strategy. Instead of trying to get ahead of it and writing a book called Original Sin and making money off of it, maybe you should have just said, sorry, Jake Tapper. This is Jake Tapper in 2023, dressing down Lara Trump for daring to question the cognitive and mental abilities of Joe Biden.

[Jake Tapper]

How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?

[Andrew Colvett]

I think what we see on stage with Joe Biden, Jake, is very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to. It makes me uncomfortable. You are.

[Jake Tapper]

No, that's so amazing. It's so amazing to me that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Try and figure out an answer.

[Jake Tapper]

A cognitive decline.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're trying to tell me that what I was suggesting was I think you.

[Jake Tapper]

Were mocking his stutter. I think you were mocking his stutter. And I think you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline. I would think that somebody in the Trump family would be more sensitive to people who do not have medical licenses, diagnosing politicians from afar.

[Andrew Colvett]

He is one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical, garbage people on television. I have zero patience for Jake Tapper. I actually think he is a scumbag play. Cut 222. This is President Trump now questioning, openly questioning the doctors for Joe Biden.

[Mike Johnson]

And it takes a long time to get to that situation. Now I think, you know, to get to a stage nine. I think that if you take a look, it's the same doctor that said that Joe was cognitively fine. There was nothing wrong with him. You know, the auto pen is becoming a big deal because it seems like that maybe was the president who ever operated the auto pin.

[Andrew Colvett]

Maybe it was the president who was operating the auto pen. Did we elect them? No, I don't think we did. Cut 206. This is Dr. Zeke Emanuel on MSNBC on Morning Joe of all places, saying that he definitely has had this cancer for a long time.

[Tom Homan]

This is, this is not speculation. If you have prostate cancer that is.

[Andrew Colvett]

Spread to the bone, then he most certainly, you are saying, had it when he was president of the United States. Oh, yeah. He did not develop it in the last hundred, two hundred days. He had it while he was president. He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021. Yes, that. I don't think there's any disagreement about that. So are we supposed to believe that Joe Biden, with the best medical care on planet Earth, the best that money can buy, is provided for the president, that they missed this aggressive cancer since that he's probably had since the beginning of his presidency? Absolutely no way in hell is that true. And here's what I'll here's what I'll also say, I thought the auto pen thing was kind of a distraction. It is taking on incredibly increased meaning now. And this is a huge story. Watch this space. We don't know where it's going to go. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. If you get something out of the show, if you love what we do here at the Charlie Kirk show and you are not yet a member, you need to become a member. You get to join our Friday Ask Me Anything calls. You get to go on our podcast. If that's you, you get to. You get to star in our podcast and our radio show and our streaming show. We also have excellent, excellent added goodies and benefits if you come to our live events, merch discounts and so much more. Please consider joining members.charliekirk.com that's members.charliekirk. com thanks so much. Talk to you soon.

[Mike Johnson]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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