A (5:03)

One of my favorite parts of your program and of this book is how you are talking about how corporations in our country are no longer necessarily on the side of our country. This is something that a lot of conservatives have a difficult time talking about. You have really educated me a lot on this topic because growing up in the conservative movement in 2012, 2013, 2014, we were led to believe that corporations are always on Team Right. I'll never forget a show you did in July, just about two or three months ago, where you had the list of all the corporations that were funding blm, and then you talked about how this is nothing new, that these corporations have no allegiance whatsoever. Now, while there might be some good companies out there, you make the argument that the Chamber of Commerce, the supposed representative of these companies, has not been representing middle America for quite some time. Can you Talk about the Chamber, who they are, and also just Tom Donahue and how they've taken a direction to that none of us would have necessarily anticipated.

B (6:07)

Surely the Chamber of Commerce as the largest lobbying organization in this country, spending a billion and a half dollars on just illegal immigration over the course of the past almost 20 years. Think of that. A billion and a half dollars. That isn't exactly a slush fund. That is the intent of corporate America and particularly 135 US multinationals to assure that our borders are kept wide open, irrespective of what crosses that border. When I say that border, I'm referring, of course, to the southern border. And I remind people that Mexico is the primary source of all of the methamphetamines, marijuana, cocaine and heroin that enter the United States. And I'll also remind everyone watching, if they don't mind, that we have 70,000 people dying of drug overdoses every year. They are collateral damage. And by the way, those numbers are an understatement. The Chamber of Commerce has insisted on president after president and president after president, that they simply do what they're told, make certain that we harmonize our borders, our trading values, and listen to them give visas to all of the cheap labor in foreign markets so that they will come here and compete with the American worker, whether middle class or a worker aspiring to the middle class. The result was 20 years of stagnant wages for our middle class. That is a national disgrace. The Chamber of Commerce is a national disgrace.

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B (10:42)

Well, he has certainly met it head on and with that required great courage as well as vision because no other politician of either party was taking on that issue. He did, he has, and he will continue to do so. And when you talk about the borderless corporation, it is also, in point of fact, corporation without country. And that is a disgrace in of itself. When we watch a corporation fund an operation in China, for example, BlackRock just got a deal to open up a mutual fund in China. It'll be a $13 trillion market. This as the president of the United States is nose to nose with President Xi Jinping to hold him accountable for the deaths of 200,000American Americans as a result of the China virus that Xi Jinping unleashed on this country, knowing it was deadly, knowing that it was transmittable human to human, and that People would die here without a warning to a single government. Around the world. It is there is much for corporate America to answer for. And supporting Black Lives Matter, a Marxist organization. And now corporations have to turn to good old Tom Donohue, the cardinal of corporate America, to go to Capitol Hill to convince all of the senators like Dick Durbin and Mike Lee that, yes, you're right, to stand with the Chamber of Commerce and ask for more cheap labor to come in to compete with the American middle class so that you can tear down what Donald Trump has accomplished. Donald Trump has restored the American dream and has re energized the middle class, small business entrepreneurs. And there's a reason that we're looking at over 3% growth in this economy until the China virus hit. And that's because this president understands economics. He understands politics, although he may not be a politician. And he has held, in my opinion, the correct view on these issues for 30 years. And to now see him stand and lead the nation. He's not credited for being a great leader. He is the greatest leader the country has seen since, without question, Abraham Lincoln. He is not credited with his intellect. Instead, supporters and opponents alike like to talk about Donald Trump's instincts. You know, Charlie, he has great instincts. He has a good gut. The hell he has all of that. But first and foremost, he's got a great mind and he makes great decisions and great choices. And he is a great, great leader.

A (13:44)

And he asks great questions and he's always learning. This is something the media gets so wrong about him, is that he considers every person he talks to, from whether it could be a private in the United States military to even a secret service agent, to even myself, a subject matter expert in something that he can learn from. And he walked job sites for 30 years, and that's why he understands blue collar workers better than the Chamber ever will or people that say they represent those people. And so, Lou, I also want to get into something that I thought was very interesting. You talk about inflation in this book and how it actually never came, but how the President encouraged the Federal Reserve to expand the money supply and. And you applaud him for that. Can you dig into it? It's a little bit wonkier of a topic, but I was really fascinated by this because it is true, based on the metrics we have available, the President pushing the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates actually did not have the inflation effect that a lot of the experts said it would.

B (14:46)

Well, experts, when you say experts, you're referring to economic experts, right?

A (14:51)

I'M putting it in air quotes. That's right. Yeah.

B (14:54)

And those economists are seldom expert in their reasoning or forecast. They do their best. We're all human. But they have a wide margin of propensity for mistakes. To put it in econometric like terms, it is to me one of the most amusing things to watch the left wing go bananas in the national media because surely they. Oh, you can't, you can't. You can't argue with a chairman of the Federal Reserve. He's an independent force unto himself. Well, he sure as hell was because he raised interest rates four times in the absence of inflation. With a stable price and market that didn't require an increase in interest rates. What froth was there to. To subdue? Did Jerome Powell really want to shut down 3% growth? Did he really want to shut down the lowest unemployment rate for minorities in this country's history? Because that was the effect of where he was headed with these rate increases. And this president didn't persuade. He didn't even try to. He went straight at Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve and the wonks on Wall street who were paid for, for by their client base, that is corporate America. And he kicked them in the butt and told them what's what and to get their heads on straight. And you know what? He was right. And there isn't a single issue as between corporate America, Wall street and the President of the United States when they have been right and he has been wrong. Whether it's tariffs or whether it is on tax cuts, whether it is China, whether it's balanced trade, whether it's reciprocity itself in international relations. It's remarkable how right he has been on all of these issues. And even Jerome Powell has to tip his hat and say, Mr. President, he didn't do it this way, but I wish he would. You're right and I was wrong. And I was even really arrogant to suggest that you shouldn't be holding me to a higher standard like great public service.

A (17:22)

Well, and it's such double standard because Obama would call out the Federal Reserve all the time and so would Bill Clinton. The struggle between the executive branch and the Fed. It's nothing new. Just when Donald Trump does it, they consider it to be completely. You want to make a comment on that, Lou, or.

B (17:39)

No, no, I was just thinking, unlike those others, this president had the lowest unemployment rate in history for minorities, as I say, had achieved what Obama said could only be achieved with a magic wand. I mean, this is the president who's walking around pretentiously suggesting that Donald Trump doesn't follow science like he does and thinks deeply about things like CL change. This President knew full well what the trade offs were and what the cause and effect relationships were in the global economy and global societies. I don't believe Barack Obama or George W. Bush would even want to think in shallow terms about those issues. This president has it exactly right.

A (18:34)

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B (20:11)

Well, I'm glad you said America first because it is often attached only to foreign policy. It is also critically important in domestic policy, and this President preserves that value in all of his considerations about whatever decision he must take on both domestic and foreign policy. On America first, the idea of leaving our troops and I love this expression that you will hear from some generals over the years, or at least that I have that we have 30,000 troops along the DMZ posted in South Korea as A tripwire. Now that's a wonderful expression, isn't it? If Kim Jong Un, or whomever is leading North Korea decides to cross that frontier, we have 26,000 right now troops there, and they will be a tripwire to let us know that they've come. We have them under constant surveillance from imaging satellites. It's ridiculous. It's a preposterous reason. And others suggest that they're forward stationed so that they can react. There is not a chance in hell that those troops would be anything other than savage by the North Koreans if they were to carry out a straightforward frontal attack. It's just, it is just the reality of it. It's an ugly reality. And our troops shouldn't be there. Why have we got, why do we have so many troops in Germany, some of which are moving to Poland now, I'm delighted to say, because the President has chosen to do that. And they're coming home and leaving Afghanistan. The idiots who wrote the doctrine called the long war. That's not a doctrine, a military doctrine for the United States. Our doctrine should be short wars. And if there is a short war, as the President said the other day, talking about Iran, whatever injury you do to us, we will respond with a thousand times greater force against you. That should be the doctrine of the United States. Bring our troops home. That's what the President is doing. He is the only president to do so. And it is remarkable to watch the military industrial complex as Eisenhower warned us to warn us of a military industrial complex. Will they find a place to go to war, no matter how peaceful it appears to our lying eyes?

A (22:54)

And it just, it's incredible because now the Democrats who used to be the anti war party back in 2004 with John Kerry, they're upset that Donald Trump is ending these endless wars. They seem infuriated that President Trump is negotiating peace between Israel and the uae. And this entire kind of endless war lobby has dominated the Republican and Democrat foreign policy establishment where President Trump unafraid to act with decisive action against Soleimani or Baghdad. He doesn't want American troops or trillions of dollars being spent endlessly where there is no objective in sight. And it's a lot of young people that are fighting these wars that have had ptsd, military suicide, and all the other associated costs of this kind of endless conflict. Lou, you also talk about China in this book. You make the argument that this might be the greatest out of all of the accomplishments, this might be the most important, which is rebalancing the conversation and the landscape against China. We have now seen the malevolence of the Chinese Communist Party. We've seen the China virus. We've seen what they've done to our industrial base. For some of the to play devil's advocate, some people say, well, Charlie, we can't get into a trade war or a cold war with China. You had Mike Pompeo on your show, I think, last week, and you really pressed him. You really did. And it was awesome television because are we in a cold war with China? It seems like they're expanding their capabilities, building their navy. They don't seem like they want peace.

B (24:27)

They don't seem like it because they're not about peace in any way. The great characteristic of, of China over the course of since 1949 has been their capacity for deception and their capacity to use force. And they have survived so much. They are tough and smart people, and they understand at this point that if they are to dominate, we have to be dislocated, removed, and defeated. And they were well on their way to that until President Trump was elected because he recognized that they were expanding in the South China Sea and it had to be forestalled. He recognized the expansionary policies of Xi Jinping. And even though the two, it appeared, had reached an agreement on the direction of both countries, that could be one of coexistence, President Xi made it very clear that he, when he decided to let that virus leave China without warning the world and had every opportunity weeks later to warn the world and chose not to, that is ethically murder. And it is also revelatory. I would hope for everyone who thought, you know, the communist Chinese are just merchants and waiting capitalists to be developed, they can be a market based, free enterprise people. Well, they're not, they won't be. And they've made it clear they're communists, they're authoritarian, and there is no conscience when it comes to the decisions they make in their national interest. It is staring every American, everyone on this planet squarely in the face. Only President Trump saw it clearly years ago.

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B (28:06)

No. And high school institutes as well. They are attacking K through 12 as well as higher education. And when I say they're attacking, I mean those are foreign postings of surveillance and espionage operations of a foreign power, namely the People's Republic of China. And look at what we're now seeing unfold. Finally, we're seeing the number of Chinese nationals who are being sanctioned, who are being charged for spying, for taking. I find it stunning to think about this, professors at Harvard University, which is my alma mater, taking money from the NIH or for any number of federal funding sources, and at the same time taking millions from the Communist Party of China and not reporting that money, and clearly working to recruit and to deliver technology and intellectual property to them. And this on a scale each year that amounts to a half a trillion dollars that is being torn away from this country and building China. The fact of the matter is, Charlie, we built China. We built modern China in this country. And corporate America has a lot to answer for because instead of sending those plants and that production to our neighbors to the south in Central and South America, building those plants there, we built it in a communist nation, if you can imagine that which now threatens us militarily, economically, geopolitically, these are mad men who made those decisions for decades to build and to unleash Communist China.

A (30:06)

So, Lou, in a couple minutes we have remaining here, I want to get your take on the election. This should be A Trump landslide, if all things were, are equal. But we're not in equal times. We have the activist media that mistreats the president. Ballot fraud, I believe, is a very real threat. We have social media tyranny, where it seems Google and the social media giants do whatever it takes to try to prevent fair access to information. What is your analysis of this race? What does the president have to do to achieve victory? How do you see things trending?

B (30:39)

The trend right now is magnificent. We're seeing this president closing on every battleground state, without exception, and in some cases now moving into the lead. Important and important battleground states, including, by the way, Florida, which the most recent polling shows him moving ahead of Biden. I don't think there's any way in the world the American people would be dumb enough to put Joe Biden in the White House. Even if they don't appreciate what this president has done, they don't understand President Trump. If they're such buttercups and daffodils that their feelings are hurt when they read one of his, well, tough hewn tweets that somehow unsettles them even then. How could you possibly take and put a man who has lived and his campaign so far from his basement in Delaware against a man like Trump who has been in, what, 30 states in the last two months? He is a dynamo. He has more energy, more intelligence, more talent. And yes, I'll even say he's got great instincts, too, than anyone we've had in that White House in living memory. And it's that straightforward. Look at what he's done. He restored the economy. He restored American pride and confidence and optimism about their future. And, yes, he restored our ideals of, well, American exceptionalism. You know why? Because we are an exceptional people. I will put up the inventions and the intellectual heritage of this country against any other for all time. And we've only been around, you know, a little over 200 years. We're not doing badly, and we'll do even better in the next hundred, I'm sure.

A (32:37)

Yeah, the airplane going to the moon, being able to have open heart, open brain surgery. Pretty amazing accomplishments for a country. It's only been around a short period of time. Not to mention winning two world wars and creating the greatest political document ever, the United States Constitution. Thought on that. Lou.

B (32:53)

Just one thought. I was just thinking Obama was, you know, he impressed a lot of people, particularly on the left, when he was nominated for a Nobel Peace prize after only 11 days in office, having done nothing. This president, having done great things and for two achievements of extraordinary historic importance. Receiving Nobel Peace Prize nominations in one week for two separate successes. I think the contrast is pretty revelatory.

A (33:25)

I agree completely. The website to buy Lou's book, everyone go get a copy. LouDobbshop.com Lou, any closing thoughts on the book or the election or anything that we weren't able to cover?

B (33:38)

Well, yeah, and Amazon works too. Amazon.com youm got it. And two, I would just say, you know, Trump 2020, that sounds like the right time and the right man.

A (33:51)

I love it. Well, Lou, thank you so much. We love watching your program. We really appreciate your insights and thank you so much for joining our program.

B (33:58)

Great to be with you, Charlie. All the very best.

A (34:04)

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