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'How We Win' — A LIVE Q&A on Vaccines, Confederate Statues, Courage, and Victory from Emmanuel Enid Church in Oklahoma
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Hey, everybody. Happy Sunday. No advertisers in this episode. And that's thanks to all of you that Support us@charliekirk.com support. If you're looking for somewhere to put some resource and you're like, man, I feel so helpless. Well, please consider supporting us and our team of researchers, of investigative reporting, of producers. Charliekirk.com support. I want to thank Mark from California. Thank you. I want to thank Bennett from Atlanta, Georgia. Thank you. I want to thank Shelley from New York. Thank you. And Deborah from Connecticut for your Wonderful support@charliekirk.com Support this episode. I have a freewheeling conversation with Pastor Wade Berlinson from Eden, Oklahoma. Then I take some questions from the audience about how Christians should be involved in the public square, the vaccine, and so much more. It is new commentary, new new ideas that we explore on this Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk show as we continue our barnstorm tour across the country. And if you want to get behind us, you're like, man, I want to be part of the team. Then Support us@charliekirk.com support. You can be partners with us to help save our country. It's Sunday. No advertisers. Enjoy. And send this episode to your friends. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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I want to thank Charlie.
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He's an incredible guy.
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His spirit, his love of this country.
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He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.
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All right, Mr. Kirk, it's Charlie Unchained.
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Okay. Everything earlier, was Charlie chained, especially the 7:30am service. Yeah, that's right, Charlie. Barely awake.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I joke around earlier. I'm gonna say it again. That is the earliest church service in the western hemisphere.
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Yes, it is.
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It really is.
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Absolutely. They're great people, too. Charlie, thank you for being here. Thank you, Erica. Thank you for coming. Your team is amazing. We're just going to dive right into it. We've got a lot of questions that have been asked. I'm just a moderator going to hear from you. And by the way, audience, we're going to give you a chance before we get done to ask a couple of questions. We've got some ground rules, but we are videoing this and Charlie and his team will be broadcasting it as well on their sites. So we're going to jump right into it. Now understand this if you're offended, okay, listen, dialogue is what debate is all about. We can't shock people down just because we don't like what they're saying. I want you to listen to Charlie because you heard him this morning. He loves Jesus. He loves the inerrant word of God. He loves this country. So let him speak. Listen to him. And I think you might even be inspired. So let's begin. You ready? All right, Charlie, I'm going to ask you a question. What do you think about vaccine mandates?
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Yeah. Let's start with the most non controversial.
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Okay, There we go.
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No, I actually love it. I requested it. So, yeah, look, I, I'll give you a little. First of all, let me just tell you, I'm not getting vaccinated. I'm not going to be forced to get vaccinated. I'm going to say that publicly. It's not going to happen.
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So.
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But I want to be very clear, don't. And just every single one of you, make sure you don't ridicule or mock or intimidate or make people feel bad if they made their own personal medical decision. I mean, this whole like new framing of that we're going to ask everyone their personal medical history and you walk into a place of business is not only immoral, it's really creepy, actually. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, I need you to show me your entire testing history. Like, that's really, that's, that's a bridge too far. We have HIPAA laws in this country and we need to defend, we need to actually enforce them. But look, I've never really been that interested in this issue. They made me interested in it because of how hyper aggressive they have been pushing this thing over the last couple months. And so back in November of last year, I sat at a church very similar to this, my friend Greg Farrington's church up in Rockland, California, said, charlie, you're going to get the vaccine. And we didn't really even know what we were dealing with back then. I said, no, I'm not. I said, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, not being overweight, you know, vitamin D, Zinc, and being 27 years old, I wouldn't consider to take some experimental vaccine for me. And my opinion has not changed on this. And then all of a sudden I started to realize their tone changed. It went from A potential option for people, which is the way they marketed it in March and April to all of a sudden, if you don't get the vaccine, we are going to reconfigure and reorganize society and, and we're going to punish you. So I started to see this happen in April and we did a podcast on it. Very few people listened to us and no one in the Republican Party listened to us. They said, oh, you're a fear monger, you're scaring people. I said, oh no, no, it's going to happen by the summer where they're not going to let you into bars and restaurants if you don't have proof of vaccination. We were called conspiracy theorists by the Washington Post, New York Times, Huffington Post, all these people. And so again, I really never was that this wasn't a passion project for mine, but I would always go to events similar to this and people would come up to me with these binders full of stories and testimony of very sincere arguments about how mass inoculation for children is having negative effects. And again, I really wasn't that interested in it. And I said, okay, yeah, thank you, it's great, I'll read it. And I did, and I really wasn't that moved. But then all of a sudden I got interested in this topic in early maybe my wife and I got married May 8th. The last podcast I did before going on getting, getting married, going on our honeymoon, was the least controversial podcast you could do. It's basically asking my audience, hey, can you tell me personal experiences of people that you know that have taken the vaccine, that have had an adverse event? Then I just turned off my laptop and went away for two weeks. Right. What a great. Don't do that. And so came back to 6,000 emails, comments, messages, personal testimony of the most unbelievable things you could read. And you know, after the 500th email of people that don't know each other from different parts of the country that are saying the same thing, you realize there might be a trend and a pattern behind this. And when you start to hear like, oh yeah, my dad was perfectly healthy and then he got the second moderna shot and he dropped dead. Huh, that's not normal. I was seven months pregnant and I got the vaccine at the insist of my doctor and I miscarried. And so you start to hear these stories time and time again and you say, okay, maybe it's a one off, maybe it's bias. It's sample bias is the way you'd call it. Then I really got my attention when I saw a guy who's really been mean to me over the years, Dr. Brett Weinstein, who's a secular atheist, evolutionary biologist from Seattle. He sends this video out and I said, okay, time out. And it says how I got red pilled on the COVID vaccine. I said, you would be the last person in the world that I would expect would ever speak out about the vaccine. You watch this video, he has it with the founder of the MRNA vaccine, Dr. Robert Malone, and they start talking about it. And basically his stance was that this vaccine was not like any others. It involved the spike protein. And you really should be careful before you take it. Of course, the video was removed from YouTube, you know, completely. Memory hold, right? Memory hole is a term from George Orwell's 1984. And I said, okay, something really sinister is going on here. The fact we can't even have dialogue, which is a great word by the way. It's the Greek word dia through logos, reason. So that's what we're missing in America today, which is our ability to actually walk through and have a conversation and a discourse about these things. So I said, okay, at Turning Point usa, we are going to be the only mainstream conservative organization, I guess, that's going to speak out against mandatory vaccinations and the kind of emphasis on mandatory. Again, if you think it's a great thing, then go do it. I'm not going to tell you what the best medical decisions are for you. The idea of personalization is what has always made Western medicine at least somewhat attractive to the rest of the world. So if you think it's your right decision, go do it. Just don't force me to do it. And so we launched this in early July called no Forced Vax, mostly to defend students on college campuses that were being forced to get the vaccine against their will. And I'll be very honest with you, I've been stunned at how the Republican Party has betrayed us on this, how the Republican Party has. And by the way, even if you're the biggest vaccine advocate in the world, you should be equally upset that they're willing to use the levers of corporate and government power to force experimental medicine on your children. That is evil. And so we put people in positions of political power to defend us against the abuse of power. That's why we show up in record numbers and go vote. Basically. We know Republicans are going to do nothing. Bold and ambitious, very least is like, don't take our guns, don't close down the churches. And if they try to radically alter our way of life. Get in the way. Okay? Do you hear me, Republicans? I'll speak in very clear words for you to understand. I'll speak slowly. I'll give you clear instructions. Don't alter our way of life. Right. We like the way we live, especially when it comes to experimental medicine. Right, Right. And instead you have the opposite and you have Republicans and again, I, I don't know state politics here in Oklahoma. You can comment on that, Wade. I can say in other states, you have governors forcing the vaccine, saying if you don't take the vaccine, you can't go to places of business, you can't go to school, you can't go to college. And then, in a stunning turn of events, you have Trump appointed Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who sees an appeal on forced vaccinations for the Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana, for forced vaccinations, which would have applied to 18,000, 18, 19, 20, 21 year olds that have such a minuscule chance of dying from the Chinese coronavirus. It's. You can't even measure it. And they say, well, it's to keep the children safe. I say, hold on. If it's to keep the children, first of all, they're 18, 19 and 20 year olds. They're not children. Second of all, if it's to keep them safe, why don't you go ban driving? It is more dangerous to go drive to Bloomington, Indiana than, than to get the Chinese coronavirus at age 19. That is statistically true. We lose 37,000 people on average on the streets every single year in America. We lose 1800 people a year a day to cancer. We lose 1700 a day to heart disease. We lose hundreds of people a day to suicide, and we lose hundreds of people to just accidents, suffocation and just unexplained accidents. That's part of life. Yet we've entered into this cult of safetyism where somehow the people in charge have made this false promise and this false bargain that is, it's, it's such against the American promise and our American contract. I wanted to say this. Amy Coney Barrett decides not to defend her voters. Well, no one really voted for her, but I guess we kind of did, right? We showed up in record numbers. We're like, okay, Republican senators, we'll give you the Republican Senate. Go give us judges that will defend our way of life against the metropolitan elite that are going to try to crush us. And what you're seeing is places where we are right now, in Eden, north in Oklahoma, Not North Dakota. Geez, I'm going there next week. Enid, Oklahoma, where they don't like your way of life. They want to destroy this. They want to crush you. They call you the smelly Walmart people, and they do. You should hear the way your leaders talk about you. They have contempt for you on the federal level and on the state level. They want to try to turn Oklahoma into nothing more than a producing colony for the rest of the country. And I want to be very clear. These people work for us. We put them there. And if they're not going to follow these clear instructions, then we have to start to resort to other means, which is recalling these people, primary ing these people until you have Republicans that you put in office that actually defend the voters that put them there in the first place so that we can pursue the American way of life.
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Amen. Okay, Charlie, a couple of things. First of all, here in Enid, the people who smell really good, go to Atwoods. Okay? I just want you to know I agree. Okay. There we go. Okay. Hey, listen, so if I hear you right, what you're saying is, look, you're not telling people who have chosen to be vaccinated because personally they've taken that risk ratio measurement and said, I think it's best for me. You're not saying, oh, no, no, shame on you. What you're saying is I resist the mandatory nature of vaccines.
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Yes. I mean, what I have is a rather moderate political position on this. And I'm called this, like, extremist. I say don't force people to take experimental medicine. How is that an extreme political position? Right. 19 year olds shouldn't be forced to take things that there's a lot of questions about, and somehow we've allowed ourselves get categorized. How did we allow that to happen? Well, because the. The metaphorical bodyguards for us, our leaders, to secure the blessings of liberty. That word secures, a really important word. Secure security. We elect these people to. To kind of make sure the threats don't hit us, to stave off the defenses. And so, yeah, and then I will also contribute to the conversation, which I have earlier, just to think openly about the vaccine and just go do your research. I am not an expert on the MRNA vaccine, but I have been completely underwhelmed by the experts talking about this. We know according to Axios, the Pfizer vaccine was 42% effective in July. 42% effective. The most vaccinated countries in the world are the ones that now have the greatest spike in the Chinese coronavirus. We know that's true. And we also know that other treatments like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine could be a great option for people. However, that's not a good business model for the main pharmaceutical companies. Mass inoculation is profitable. You might have a booster shot and it might create other issues. We don't know if it will or not. And so, yeah, that's my position. And I also think that if, if our leaders would have embraced this message, it actually would have been really politically popular. Instead, they went all in on this for whatever reason. Maybe it's because they're crony campaign donors and contributors and the flow of money or whatever, or just the lack of moral courage and the gutless wonders that run the Republican party in our country. And they basically said, oh yeah, just kind of eventually that number is going to go down. And so I'm willing to play out the consequences of this. And I said this at lunch. You can kind of go through the list, right? You can go through the list of people that would be considered high profile. I think I'm the most vocal person that has said publicly that I won't get vaccinated with multimillions of followers. I could be wrong. There might be other people. Candace Owens has said the same, but like, there's only a couple of us. And you know, Tucker has spoke out courageously on this. But if you go look at the other people, I mean, it is, it is conform at gunpoint. I refuse to do that for no other purpose than if your leaders are not going to defend you. I'll do my best to defend you. Like I'm not going to do this. And if they're going to have to, it will have to happen at gunpoint. I'm not going to do that. And so I'm. If your leaders won't be bodyguards for you, then you know what? The people in the public eye will. I will take the arrows for all of you that refuse to get vaccinated. Let them. And they do. By the way they write front page articles on the Washington Post that I'm somehow like a domestic terror threat. Because I'm, I say a moderate political position that you shouldn't be forced to take experimental medicine. That's what our own government says, by the way. Department of Homeland Security Terrorism Bulletin two days ago came out that the greatest threat to the homeland was people that asked questions about the Chinese coronavirus and experimental medicine vaccine mandates. Thank goodness for the founding Fathers that we still have some semblance. Imagine what they would do if we didn't have a fourth Amendment right. I mean, well, they really still do that, but at least we have the peace of mind that we could eventually, maybe sue eventually if they do this stuff. But yeah, this is. This is really dangerous times, Wade. And I refuse to conform at gunpoint and social pressure. You guys can all make your own decision. Obviously, I sense, you know, more sympathy than not here. But even if you're fully vaccinated, listen to this online on our podcast or right now. This should give you the chills. The way they are advancing, the way they think they can social control you and your children and that you will do what they tell you to do. That's not America. I refuse to abide by that.
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Charlie, great job. Very clear. Now, you mentioned something, you said the leaders, the powers that be. And at lunch you said something interesting. I'd never heard this before. The question is often asked, who's pulling the strings? Who's in power? What's going on here? And you gave a take that I thought was very interesting and like for you to repeat that.
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Yeah. So this is a really interesting question, which is, who's in charge of the regime? Right. So we know this regime and we should call them a regime, by the way. Use that word when you describe them. Don't call them the Biden administration. Don't call them the government. Call them the regime. Okay. And that's the accurate term. If you kind of go back to what government is, the way they're ruling and the way they're implementing policy. I'm trying. If I could have a couple impacts on the Zeitgeist, if all of a sudden I start hearing regime from everyday people, then I will have done my job, because that's what they are. So this regime, it's a really interesting thing. So, yes, it's true that there's crony corporate donors influencing. It's totally true that there's this mid level of the FBI and the NIH and kind of the scientists. You know, Socrates wrote a lot about this. Socrates said a civilization will destroy itself if you allow scientists to run your country. That's. What a beautiful piece of wisdom. Why? Because scientists don't engage in moral decisions. You cannot find morality. Just looking at cause and effect in the scientific method. That's where you need philosophers and theologians and pastors and priests to tell you right from wrong. So as soon as you give up the entire instruments of society, scientists watch out. It's not to say that scientists have no role in society. Obviously they do. But when you are governed merely by science, you will end up with eugenics. You will end up with population control. That is the logical conclusion of allowing scientists to govern you. Okay, so who's in charge? I have an interesting take on this, which I actually think the narrative is in charge and I'll prove it to you. So, so Fauci was on one of these shows, by the way, Fauci should have been fired on day one. He is the most disgraceful person in the American government. And what a real disgrace, honestly, to our country and the people that serve in our country so wonderfully in the military to have to be represented by this apparatchik who lies constantly and is so self interested. The highest paid employee in the entire federal bureaucracy is Anthony Fauci. Anyway, so Fauci was on one of these shows and someone asked him a good question. They said, well, Fauci, I refuse to call him Dr. Fauci, by the way. I just call him Fauci. So the doctor title has been gone in my. It's gone. It's gone. Fauci. Okay, so Fauci, like doctor. Doctor of what? Of destruction is what he is. Yeah, so they say. So, Fauci, is it true that we really shouldn't, you know, do warm embraces with our family members? You know, shouldn't kiss, shouldn't hug? He said, oh, yes, that's exactly true. No more kissing, no more hugging, nothing. Just bubble. And so then the host asked a really good follow up question, right? Which the host said, well, then why did you say that it was perfectly safe for teenagers and college kids to do hookup culture on Tinder? And he knew that they got him and he weaseled out of it. But he knew that the narrative on the left of premarital sex was so important that he couldn't violate that. That even if it was contradictory to the science, there were certain holy objects on the left, the narrative that you don't touch. I'll prove it to you again. Why is it that all of a sudden they said, you have to stop congregating, gotta slow the spread? And they allowed BLM to walk through the streets for months because that narrative was holy to them. Right? The narrative actually is running the country. Now, who actually designs the narrative is a completely different question. But they're all committed to it. And then. And no matter what the new narrative, of course, if you look around this room, that if you watch CNN and msnbc, they, they are committed to believe that the people in this room are the greatest terror Threat to our civilization. I want you to understand the significance of that. I want you to go reread Biden's inaugural address. He declared war on you. He. This is the first time a sitting president of the United States declared domestic war on the citizens he was just tasked with governing. They're not talking like people that want to run the country. They're talking about people that want to obliterate their opponents. This is a whole different way to talk about the citizenry. You go read that DHS bulletin from two days ago, they're saying that you are more dangerous at the 20 year anniversary than the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS or Islamic fundamentalism, that you are, that it's Trump voters and people in flight. How do they think this is going to end exactly? The answer to that is they want a confrontation. They want to try to provoke it because it justifies the security state, it justifies their own power. So, yeah, who's in charge? I would submit it's really the narrative. I think they are submitted. I think they are beholden to a set of unquestioned ideas and kind of holy relics on the left of mass movements of social protests, even if they're completely contradictory to what's actually happening. I'll prove it to you again. Right. They say for all summer, last summer, black lives matter. Black lives matter. Okay, well then why won't you ever comment about the fact that in the last month 75 black people were shot, killed in Chicago. Oh, no, we don't care about that. Right. So it's the narrative that is actually more important than the reality. And then there also is this managerial class, right? And this is the other part of it, which is a group of unelected, unknown and unchecked bureaucrats that are running our government. And this is another thing the Republican Party has refused to do through the Senate and the House is they have just completely and routine this nonstop delegated all their political power to this unchecked, unelected monolith of 5 million people in the federal bureaucracy that run NIH and CDC and the IRS. And they have created their own government and that own government is trying to now basically govern the rest of the country at full force extra constitutionally. And then the final point, I'll say of this of like kind of who is in charge. There is a small group of people that actually find this really weird sadistic pleasure in plundering the heartland of this country and actually pummeling us into submission. I mean, these are people that are worth $150 billion. Like Jeff Bezos, and the thing he is most concerned about is eradicating white supremacy in the American heartland. Like, really, that's the existential threat you're committing the rest of your life to through the Washington Post and all these other kind of. All these other kind of mechanisms. And so we can talk about, like, why this is the case and what we can do about it. But, yeah, I think that this kind of holy narratives that they have on the left, I think they're actually running the country.
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Wow. Video team, if you get a chance. I know this video is going to be watched a lot. Take a look across Spanish. This isn't flyover country. This is the heartland of America. These are men and women farmers. These are people who love their country. And it's a big crowd tonight. And we have a voice. Charlie, I didn't even tell you this. I'm on a board and I see several board members who are here. All these statues that are being torn down. We've created a park that we're trying to bring all the statues torn down and in America to Enid, Oklahoma, Patriot park and so on, and do some instructions on who these people are. And I've got a question for you. I thought your point this morning, I'd never seen this in Scripture when you talked about Genesis 6. Yes. And Noah being a righteous man amongst his contemporaries. And an incredible point that if you didn't hear, all he was saying was this. The Bible measured Noah in the context of the people with whom he was living. And you've got to measure people, their righteousness, their goodness, what they do in the context of the culture and the people living around them. So here's my question. What is your opinion? What is going on with this idea that the 1619 project, taking away the culture of America that we were taught growing up in school, the founding fathers and so on. What is happening?
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Well, first let me comment on the statue thing, which I've been really outspoken. And so I'm a Yankee through and through. And I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. My ancestors, Abner Abbey, fought on the Union side of the American state Civil War. And I say all this by saying we shouldn't take down one Confederate statue across the country. And so this is so sick and so evil and so wrong. And I'm going to prove it to you that history is a very complicated topic. So all of us have something in common. We all enter a world we didn't create. All of us, no matter how good of a person you think you are, no Matter how smart you are, you all entered in a world not of your making. So history is a three tied knot. It's the present that we care about, the past that we want to preserve and appreciate and glean wisdom from, and the future generations that we want to hopefully build something meaningful for. That's a three tied knot, as Edmund Burke would call it. And so when you start to pompously come into a region of the country that mainly erected these monuments as a way to heal past the war, to keep the Union together, that's why they were there. They weren't there to try to protect institutionalized racism. That is total and complete garbage is what it is. And, you know, obviously I sympathize with the Union side of the war philosophically, and Abraham Lincoln, however, the strength of the entire Union post American Civil War, especially in the 1900s, was the reason why we were able to fight and win two world wars, become an industrial power. It was the reason why we were able to beat the Soviet Union. If we were a fractured nation and didn't go through that process of healing, and we actually didn't have a proven way to do that where you could have people who had ancestors a couple generations removed, fight for a cause that lost and still want to be part of the broader project called the United States of America to thread that needle. The fact we did that was actually rather remarkable. Maybe we should appreciate how that needle was actually threaded. Maybe we should say that this was a specific reason why all of a sudden we have Washington and Lee University. And obviously I can go, you know, toe to toe. The things I think Robert E. Lee believe that were wrong. But he was a statesman, he was a. He was a gentleman, he was clear, courageous, and he was. He was an admirable man. Obviously, I don't share his views on a lot of different things, but that goes back to Genesis 6, doesn't it? In Genesis 6, it says, Noah was a righteous man, comma, amongst the men and women of his generation. That's interesting. If he was such a righteous man, why'd they have to put that in? It's because he was a relatively righteous man. Maybe if you compared him to Moses, he wasn't that righteous. Maybe if you compared him to Ezra, he wasn't that righteous. No, you have to look at people and times in the framework of where things are and how they are in the life and the custom that they lived in. And then also you have to realize the arc of history. And I call it a new founding after the American Civil War, we re founded ourselves. And Abraham Lincoln was very prudent in the way that he was trying to keep this union together. Together. A lot of the aggressive reconstruction that happened post Lincoln, he thought would have actually went too far too quick. He wanted to slowly reintroduce this idea of one country to a country that was bitterly divided and had resentment. He wrote extensively about this. You could argue Andrew Johnson and the presidents that followed didn't follow that advice, actually. And a lot of kind of the, a lot of the kind of quote unquote division that happened in the election of 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes, when he withdrew from the American south was actually because of the hyper aggressive action in the late 1860s, 1870s. So I just wanted to comment on that statue issue. I go to toe to toe with the media on this all the time. They call me this defender of Confederate statues. Which am I? Defender of history. I am a defender of history. And by the way, while they're at it, why don't they go rename Yale University? He owned slaves. Why don't they go rename Stanford University? Leland Stanford built the railroads with largely, you know, almost slave labor. The reason is you look in the context and the time that they were in, maybe they did something somewhat admirable that we can glean some wisdom from that we can. Look, honestly, do you want to erase and whitewash your history or do you want to tell a young person like here, you know, here's a statue of a man who is a complicated man. You're probably gonna have complicated moments in your life where you're morally torn about things. Here's what he did right, here's what he did wrong. Make a judgment on that. It's called humanity. Instead you eradicate it. You know what that does? It creates resentment and it creates radicalism is what it does, is it creates real radicalism where all of a sudden people then start to embrace ideas they shouldn't embrace. When I would argue one of the reasons why America was able to become, I think, more racially accepted, you know, accepting of other groups in the 60s, 70s and 80s, was because that balance was actually able to be struck at that time. Okay, enough on that. So now on the American founding. Yeah, the American founding man, we don't do a good job of teaching this at all. Was one of the most miraculous developments in self government in world history. It really was. The Constitution, largely written by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton. Madison really was the driver of it is the greatest political document ever written in the history of the world. And The United States Constitution is a gift and it's built on biblical principles of self government, consent to the governed, separation of powers, checks and balances, God granted rights. You read the preamble to the United States Constitution. There are seven action verbs in there which is to promote, preserve, secure, defend. I'll think of all of them. It's four out of six form, that's five with. There's this idea that we the people are the sovereign with rights given to us naturally by God to conserve things that are good, true and beautiful. To allow people to pursue righteousness without unrestricted power getting in the way. That has never been tried successfully before. That the Italian city states tried, republics fell apart. The Swiss tried a republic fell apart. The Italian, I mean the, the Romans tried a republic, went into an empire. The Greeks tried a republic fell apart. The fact that we have been able to have a superpower on a republican small R style of government is an extraordinary thing. And yet the, the people in charge want us to delete our history, delete, destroy our heritage and not have any sort of appreciation for the American story. And there is a great American story and it's a story of heroism, of grit, perseverance, self improvement, honesty, standing up for the little guy, sacrificing oneself, pioneering vacant and vacuous land. This is something that we need to teach our children honestly and directly. Talk about the failures as well. Of course you should talk about the failures. But if you take the scorecard of America, the triumphs and the victories so far outweigh the failures of America. And I'll prove it to you. Remember, we all as human beings have something in common. Washington, Adams, John Jay, John Adams. They all had Hamilton. They all had something in common. They all entered a world they didn't create. They all entered a world where slavery was universally accepted and they exited. A world where slavery was being questioned, was being eliminated, eradicated and abolished in sovereign states where 9 out of 13 of the states by the time the Constitution was ratified in 1787 had already independently abolished slavery. That there was an abolition clause to get rid of slavery, the importation of slaves into the United States. Twenty years after ratification that Thomas Jefferson signed on March 3, 1807, his first act as president after the inaugural, that Thomas Jefferson, in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, blamed King George for bringing the sin of slavery to our shores. It was only because a spirit filled activist Christians that reassessed the scriptures that all of a sudden they started to change the world that they entered, that they did not create Blaming slavery on the founding fathers is one of the most sloppy and quite honestly immoral arguments someone could make. They did not invent that, they did not perfect it and they did not even defend it. In fact, they all admitted that we got to find a way to get rid of this. In fact, the three fifths clause, which is commonly cited by sloppy, low IQ academics is like, oh, they didn't want to, to have, you know, black people have full citizenship. Why do you think that was? Actually that deal was struck. It was because the slave owning states wanted to have a permanent monopoly on political power to give black citizenship, but not voting rights so they could have an increased population so that they could control the United States Congress. It was actually to make slave owners less powerful, not more powerful. You know what that's called? Prudence, practical judgment, wisdom, craftiness. The ability to challenge evil through the institutions and eventually, hopefully be able to get rid of these sort of practices. So, look, the Amer. I could go on endlessly about the American founding, as you could tell. I mean, it's one of my most passionate things in my entire life because we are so lucky. We are so fortunate. We should thank the Lord that we live in the country that we live in. The sacrifices were made before us because we could live in a country that doesn't have that small R form of government where your rights are not protected by, that have been given by God and protected by government where you're not the sovereign and we are doing our best to try to destroy it.
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Wow, that deserves a round of applause. Now, Charlie, I'm going to ask you a couple of pretty tough questions. Okay. Simone Bowles. Okay, I know Simone, the Olympic. You said something about her. And I know in looking back, all of us who publicly speak, we say things that in reflection we're like, oh, I might could have said it better, but you explained to me what your heart was and it wasn't personal. You're questioning a philosophy. Could you explain?
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Yeah, I'm happy to do that. Now, where's the surprise question? So, yeah, look, I care a lot about the Olympics. I believe that we are losing duty in our country and duty to a higher purpose and a higher power. And so Simone Biles came and did a press conference where she said, I wanted the Olympics to be all about me and I wasn't having fun anymore and that I'm going to prioritize myself over Olympic competition. And so, yeah, I mean, look, when you do live radio, I do three hours of radio a day. You say things that sometimes you would have said the word select more precisely. I will go back and say I actually think that there's new evidence to show that I might been. Might have been right about that. But I will stand by my sentiment. I mean, I called her a sociopath, which is. I will stand by that, actually, based on new developments, and I'll prove it to you.
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What are those new?
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Well, so she came out and she said. And I only. I only said that because of the way she did the press conference. But, yeah, she came out and she said, look, I'm very, very, very pro choice and pro abortion. And she was a foster care kid. It's like, oh, okay, so it's cool for you to be born and be adopted, but not for other kids. That's sociopathic, narcissistic type behavior. Like, don't give me that. Don't like life for me and not for thee. Like, okay, it's cool that I got adopted and other people shouldn't. She went on a whole rant last week about the merits of abortion, about how we need to have more abortions in America, more accessible. So I'll go back to my original comments, though, which is this, which is when you're competing on the international stage and you're giving a press conference to explain your decision. Look, it would be one thing if she would have said, you know, look, I'm a mess. I need help. I don't want to talk to you right now. Please give me some sympathy and some space. Instead this brazen attitude that I'm not having fun anymore. I wanted these Olympics to be about me. That is the destruction of duty. When you put on Team USA's uniform and go compete internationally against our greatest geopolitical enemies, it might not mean this to us, but. But to the other world, these are theaters of war. The Chinese Communist Party was propagandizing their people that they were going to beat us in the gold medal count. Then if they did, that would be the turning point to show that the Chinese Communist Party was a greater strength than us. I know that it might not. It's like an athletic competition to us. No. Their generals and their military watch this with precision to try to propaganda, propagandize their public in that way. So when all of a sudden I hear the messages, you know what? It's all about me. All of a sudden I realized that sign that I have, that you have out here right before you walk on stage at this church, it says, it's not about you. It's not about you. And so, yeah, I stand by my sentiment. Sentiment, my comments. And I think that young people should realize that it's a moral thing to have an obligation to something bigger than yourselves, to understand your place in a transcendent order. And part of that especially is a duty and obligation to your fellow countrymen, your flag, your nation, the history, the heritage, and one other comment on this. Olympics have been, in the last hundred years, a place where Americans have shown the virtue of being American. It was Jesse Owens that won the gold medal against the evil Nazis. When Hitler refused to shake his hand. It was us that beat the East Germans and the Soviets in Olympic theater. That was a demoralizing blow to the soulless, godless Russians. So make no mistake, Olympic competition is not just like an NCAA competition. This is a chance for us as a people, as a country, to show the rest of the world who are our values, who are our morals. So, yes, I did get very heated, understandably, would have been more precise in two words. But I think I've been vindicated in recent events on some of them in the sense of this. If you're going to do a press conference wearing that beautiful American flag, I don't want to hear about yourself. I want to hear about our nation and a commitment to something bigger than yourself.
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B
Wow. And I'll just be candid, Charlie. The reason I ask you that question is that there's someone I've never met who sent me a public social media post that said, how could you give a man like Charlie Kirk a platform when he said this? And he gave your quote about Simone? And I'll have to be candid. I told my wife when I heard you, I was sympathetic. Let me tell you what my thought was. I am so glad my two great grandfathers, when they stormed Normandy, they didn't stop and say, hey, I'm coming for myself. I really don't like this. I want to get back on the boat. They went to the beaches of Normandy risking their lives for this country. And I think that was the heart of what was being said. Okay, let's come to a project that you're just starting and launching in Turning Point usa. Enid recently has gone through some changes. We basically, people here have said, look, we're not going to stand by and let local government, local school boards, local elections go by with our involvement. And so there have been changes. And. And these folks here are serious about local government and the liberty that we enjoy. So before you answer a question, I'd like for you to comment. My question will follow your comment. Can you tell a difference being in a city like Enid compared to other cities you travel to.
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Yeah. It's really important that you all hear this. I mean, I travel. We travel all the time. The last couple cities we went to, you would. You were not able to walk into a restaurant, a hotel, or a gas station without wearing a mask. And if you wouldn't, they will call the police in most cities in the western part of the United States. Yeah. I mean, just so you understand, this gathering you're having right now, the police would be here if it was in San Jose, California, just so you know. So why? What's the reason for that? Politics. That's why you made better decisions to elect better leaders and pushed back when they decided to do things that were wrong. San Jose made bad choices. It's easy to take that for granted. Right. But I'm telling you right now, the fact that you don't have the Oklahoma Department of Health right now writing you a citation of a fine you must pay is because you elected better leaders than California did. My friend, Pastor Mike McClure from Calvary Chapel San Jose, he's facing $3 million in fines because he opened his church on Easter and Pentecost because he wanted to save people. And he said, and this is what a hero says. He said, they can find me whatever they want on this earth. The souls that we saved and baptized are worth a lot more than the dollars and the jail time that they're threatening you with. And so you wanted to ask.
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Yeah. And here's the question. Is it important to pay attention to, to know what's going on? Your school board, your library board, your city council, your water board, I mean, we joked about that. Is that important?
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Oh, it's. It's incredibly important. And so if you actually look at the project of America, the journey we've been on, we've been looking at this all backwards. And I'm going to be very honest with you, your senators, your congressmen, and the president. United States is not going to save the lifestyle here. It's not going to happen. And we as conservatives had the pyramid completely upside down. We've been so focused on federal salvation. You know what I mean by that? Not eternal, but federal changes and federal adjustments that we really haven't done what we have to do on the state and local level. Now, part of this is understandable. Part of it is because we've been way more concerned doing things that are more important than that. Raising families, building churches, building businesses. Right. Helping out fellow friends. So we just haven't really always had the time or energy or commitment to do that. That has to change and it has to change quickly. The second thing I'll say though is that you have a lot more power on the local level than you realize. These are really low turnout elections with people. If somebody wants to be on the school board that doesn't have kids in the school district, they shouldn't be allowed to be on the school board. Those people, like, there's something wrong with that, right? If you don't have kids and you like want to be on the school board like really badly, like, hold on a second, let's take pause. I'm sure there might be an exception here somewhere, but generally in Phoenix, when we're dealing with these people, they're like these 38 year old, unmarried, kind of, kind of creepy people that like all of a sudden run for school board and like, yeah, this guy seems nice enough. Next thing you know he's pushing critical race theory, mandatory mask and mandatory vaccines. Like you don't even have a kid in the district and you're doing this. And so yeah, this is the call to action. People say, charlie, what do we do? And I'm writing a series of essays called How We Win. It's a three part essay of describing what winning is. The second one is describing the vulnerabilities of the current regime and the assets that we have at our disposal. And the third thing is kind of a call to action, which I'll kind of preview right now, which is just a realization of the cost and the time that this is going to take. You don't have. You have to recommit yourself, every single person here and watching online, to a completely different way of living than you have the last your entire life. I want you to think about this, your life. You were able to put politics on the back burner and not front and close and personal. You now have to become a political animal. You do. The things you buy and purchase have to be in alignment your values. No more credit card companies like American Express that are saying capitalism is evil. Cancel them. No more. No more beverage companies like Coca Cola that are saying that voter ID is somehow immoral and racist. We don't like talking like this, right? We're like, well, we want to be peacekeeping people. We want to have dialogue. They have declared war on your values. How much, how much more are you going to take? Stop buying stuff from people who hate you. They say they hate you. Stop buying stuff from them now. It's going to be a process at times. Right. Of finding other purchases, options. But that's only part of it. You know, Aristotle said that we are all political beings at nature, that we actually desire politics. Politics, he said, is the highest form of community because it combines morality and sociability. And you look at it, we as conservatives have actually not played into this for so long. And that is an unrealized political, you know, political power. I know you said you wanted to take, like a short breather, but I do want to make this point. And actually I could preview this so that no one will leave. There is this thing about the regime that is currently dominating us that should give you all hope. Say, Charlie, what is that? Do you notice how paranoid they are? They're almost super worried that white Anglo Saxon Protestant Christians are going to rise up in massive numbers in Oklahoma and Missouri. And all of a sudden, maybe we are the most powerful people in the country. Now. I'm not talking about, like rising up. Like they try to fear monger. No, no, no. I'm not taking back city councils peacefully taking back the instruments of government. All of a sudden. I want to. I think they're afraid. In a Coca Cola shareholders meeting, they're like, your profits are down 10%. Maybe we shouldn't have done that. That's what they're afraid of. Do you notice they are the first people to win an election that are constantly looking over their shoulder, worried about the equal and opposite reaction. You have to realize how much unrealized purchasing power and political power we all have. So part of how we win is that if anyone here is over the age of 35, you have to completely reorient your life. The days of America where you could watch baseball without a political message are over.
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Yes. Right.
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It's done. Stop complaining about it. Now you have to say, okay, I got to put on a New Jersey. I got to put on a new uniform. We are political animals now. Everything I will do will be in alignment with truth. What I buy, how I educate my kids, where I travel, the candidates I vote for, my free time, my prayers are all going to be in alignment with that. And guess what? As soon as that switches, their paranoia will become a reality.
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B
So, Charlie, a lot of these folks may not know kind of your background, how you got where you are today. It's a pretty remarkable story. You can't tell it all, but just kind of your start and how the Lord opened the doors. And then if you have a question, we'll set the ground rules right when he gets done. Sure.
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So, yeah, it's been really a story that could only be explained by the Lord and his grace and his infinite blessing. I wanted to go to West Point when I was in high school. I ended up not getting in, and I'll tell the shorter version of the story. And I decided to take a gap year before going to college. It's been nine gap years and so I never went to college. And if I can riff on that for just a second, college is the right decision for some people. It really is. It's actually the wrong decision for a lot more people than we ever recognize or realize. College can be a real big blessing for people and it can be a disaster for some people. And it is wrong the way that our leaders and the attitude of people in charge talk down to people that don't have college degrees. We need more people that work with their hands. We need to rebuild the muscular class in this country. We need more entrepreneurs, technicians, plumbers, people that work in H Vac. We need more people that are police officers and firefighters. We need more people that serve in the United States military. So I think it's so wrong and destructive. And quite honestly, it's really bothering the way that people that don't go to college are treated. So if you're young right now and you're thinking, man, should I go to college? Where should I go? Think to yourself, why should I go to college? Not where should I go to college? And every person out there, if you have kids or grandkids, that's the question, you should have enter into that conversation with a little bit of openness. Think to yourself, you know what? I'm going to be okay accepting if my son or daughter or grandkid, kid or grandkid will say, college might not be the best choice for me. Here's why. And so we have not done that. We have done this as kind of a social acceptance process that every single person has to go to college. It's risky financially, it's risky socially, culturally and spiritually. Okay, so I ended up not going to college. Started Turning Point USA in the summer of 2012. Our mission is really simple. We want to play a role in trying to turn the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world around. Specifically, first and foremost, by playing offense with a sense of urgency with young people and students in high school and college campuses. We are the largest conservative student organization in the country. We have well over 175 full time people on our staff. Now we have just launched Turning Point Faith, where we want to be an assist and we want to be. We want to be an active help to strengthen the church and to support pastors that stand for truth and try to build a broad based coalition to. For liberty. And by the way, you have a wonderful pastor here. Let me tell you, Pastor Wade does a wonderful job. And if there were. If there were 500 like you, the country would be in a remarkably better place. And I can say that as someone who has traveled the country extensively and seen all sorts of different aspects of what's happening. And so, yeah, we've been so blessed. We've had a lot of fun throughout the years. I've personally visited well over 100 college and university campus campuses and spoken on them. I'm happy to tell you how screwed up your universities here are in your state and in other states. I can have you guess which one is more liberal, OSU or ou, but we could leave that for question and answer. And so. But no, I've seen. Yes, it is ou, if you're wondering. And so. Yes. I knew it. Yeah, exactly. Stillwater still has its problems. Okay. Make no mistake. But yeah, this. It's just been a wonderful journey. And I also just want to be an example for young people that might not think college is the right choice for you, that might have a vision, something that you want to pursue. I want you to know that you. Your. Your worth does not decrease just because you don't have a piece of paper from some sort of Anti American Taxpayer Fund institution. That. And so.
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B
Yeah, excellent. All right, here are the ground rules. Mike's here, or Mike here, a mic there. Make your question as brief as possible so we can get to as many as possible. So anybody have a question you'd like? Brian, slip to the mic right there. Yeah, there we go. And Brian, we'll start with you and then we'll go. Bill.
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Okay. Hello. Hello, sir Charles. Thanks for being here. I wrote it down so I could be concise. First of all, this is not my question, but yes or no, were you homeschooled? No, I was. You sound like you were homeschooled. I'm just saying. Thank you. All right, I. Public education. So. Okay. All right, here's my question. On one of your podcasts, I think it might have been with David Hasbro, Project Veritas, I think that's his name. You mentioned an organization called Conscious Kid, and you referred to that organization as an offensive coordinator. Yeah, sort of for the current zeitgeist that we're seeing around us. So I would submit that while the offensive coordinators may exist, they don't have to. Because I believe that the only thing required for people to behave similarly is to have a similar worldview, specifically the secular humanist critical theory worldview. So my question, because you have this broader perspective than do I, my question is this. How much of our population do you think has actually internalized and actually believes that the deconstruction of America is a good thing? And how many how and what percentage is just Lenin's useful idiots? Yeah, that's a phenomenal question. Yeah, unfortunately, it's an increasing number. This is why one of my life's mission is to try to decrease college enrollment by at least 10 or 15% in the next couple years. Because if we keep on sending our most prized possessions to which are young people. Right. It's not our oil, it's not our natural resources, it's young people that is the future of your nation. And we keep on sending them to these universities that don't teach critical thinking, they don't teach the classics, they don't teach the great books, they don't teach our history. Instead, they come at it from a deconstructionist, humanist, nihilistic point of view. And all of a sudden you shouldn't be surprised when all of a sudden the country starts to kind of tear itself apart. I would say, look, it's hard to kind of do the percentage quartile in this state, it's obviously lower, but nationally there's, I would say 25% of our fellow countrymen really believe this country is a mistake and it needs to be burned to the ground and resurrected with something new. And unfortunately, it's not just about that 25%. This is the bizarre thing, is that it's the wealthiest people and the people that have benefited the most that are active participants in the this. These are the people that have dedicated their life and their resources to try and completely redefine what America is and what it means. This is George Soros, who dedicates 19 billion of his $21 billion to the deconstruction and quite honestly, the dismantling of the United States of America. It's Jeff Bezos, who has $150 billion, who buys the Washington Post. It's Zuckerberg, who put $400 million into our last election. And one thing that I could critique the Republican Party for, it's a lot actually over the last decade, is that we never should have embraced this belief that we should just cut taxes for the wealthiest people in the country. You know, I'm all for cutting Taxes for business owners and entrepreneurs. But quite honestly, Jeff Bezos, like, really, that's what our party's going to defend? People that use their resources and their assets to actively try to usurp and undermine the United States of America. America, like, no way, you know, we should stand for a vibrant and strong American middle class. The American way of life is this, and we've lost this. That you should not have to have both the mother and father in the workforce to be able to sustain a middle class family. That it should be optional if the woman wants to go in the workforce, but there should be jobs available and the social contract should warrant that if just the man wants to work, that they can support a middle class family of four to five children. That used to be the American promise. Now what happens is people either have less children, right, because they can't sustain it, or the woman goes in the workforce. If that's a decision of yours, phenomenal. It should not be mandatory because what ends up happening is they have to farm out the kids to daycare. Ends up happening. They have to go in debt because they can't sustain it. And the entire cycle of the destruction of the middle class way of life starts to go downward. This is something that President Donald Trump, God bless him, he understood through instinct. I really believe it very well might have been the Holy Spirit that spoke to him, because every single other person in the chattering class of the intelligentsia of the country said, oh, no, it's okay, let's just keep on sending our factories to Wuhan, China. We're going to bring in more mountains of plastic. It doesn't matter. We need to bring in limitless supply of illegals. And he said, you know what, this is a violation of our promise to our fellow countrymen. You know, wages are going down, the price of living is going up, our fertility rate is going down. We're having less children per family. This is not sustainable. And Trump was willing to say it out loud. And he has changed, I think, the entire American political conversation for good. I'm optimistic because I actually believe, deep down this kind of radical posturing by the elite class and their enforcers, their shock troops, which are kind of the BLM folks that go around, dilute, pillage and destroy. I actually think they're in a vast minority. I think that this country is more politically centrist and center right than we give it credit for. Sometimes there's an information loop, sometimes we're not able to communicate these values and these ideas. But deep down, a non radical position that we should espouse, which is this country is the greatest in the world, that we need to preserve and protect it. And we want to be a party and a movement that supports having lots of children, being able to put things that matter like the Lord and the church first and to defend the American way of life. If Republicans just said that and did a little bit, we win every single election in a landslide. People want representation right now. They want someone to challenge against the entrenched corporate interests, the entrenched government interests. And I'm telling you, I think there's a storm coming in 2022. It's not looking good for the other side.
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B
All right, very good. We're going to try to get to as many questions as possible. Bill. Okay, Charlie, here in Oklahoma, I believe we do a wonderful job of making sure that the voter that's voting is actually a real voter that needs to be voting. But that's not the case throughout the rest of America. The case. What can we do as Oklahomans to help these other states go ahead and be able to go ahead and realize we need to have people that are actually alive, actually, actually deserve to vote?
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What a concept, right?
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Being the ones voting.
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A
So it's a great question. I. On our show, our podcast, you will find we are one of the few that continue to talk about the probably the most important structural issue, which is the way we do elections in this country. If we do not fix the way we do elections in this country, everything I just talked about for the last hour is null and void. We have to structurally fix the way that we do elections, specifically in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. It is a joke. We are headquartered in Arizona. They have 72,000 more mail in ballots received then were sent out. They have signature verification problems. Takes them two weeks to count votes. In Georgia, they're running ballots of the machines multiple times, which is true, by the way. It is. You could, you could go through the documents they're running these ballots through. And so that's a really, really important question because your question was actually precise enough where I can give you a follow up. Your federal elected officials need to start actually doing something about this. Your federal elected officials need to start actually calling for commissions and investigations. They need to start to do something about this. And they have a lot of power as senators. They'll say, oh, we're not in the majority. That is a bunch of baloney. Okay, there's committee hearings. They can call witnesses. It's a 50, 50 majority. Okay. Schumer only controls it with A tie breaking vote vote of Kamala Harris. So your two U.S. senators, if they are not constantly having the drumbeat about voter integrity and all of a sudden, if they have a change of mind on that, they should hear from you on that. And you're a congressman as well. You know what's really interesting about Oklahoma is that everyone kind of knows, everyone goes to church and they shop and you guys don't have to just go through a portal. That's not the case, by the way, in California. Good luck finding your senator in California. Right. This is a little bit different type of state. You all know where these guys go to church. And I'm not saying harass them, but be clear about, be like, hey, did you explain to me why all of a sudden you're not calling for a huge audit investigation into the way these elections are done from the federal level? Well, we don't control the chambers of power. Well, you get to call some witnesses, don't you? I mean, you get to have some sort of oversight. Don't give me that. The Republicans are given plenty of power. Do not yield that. By the way you want, you have a couple very powerful senators in the state. Make no mistake. This is not Nebraska. Okay. Both your senators have a lot of power on Republican leadership. A lot of power. It's about time they start using it. Okay.
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All right,
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Doug, so you just led into my question. Oklahoma has an interesting election next year between an incumbent and an up and comer for the US Senate. So far, everyone that I've talked to, Christians and Republicans, are divided on who they would elect. And this is very critical. Can you, or will you develop an opinion or some kind of analysis that will help people? People next year in 22 in Oklahoma for the Senate race. We, we just talked to him on the phone, James and Jackson. That's what I just asked Jackson. I'm sorry. And yeah, again, this shows how much I know about this. I learned the hard way. I'm not going to weigh in on state party politics unless I know everything about it. But I could tell you I am really upset at your current senator right here in this state. And so I'm not gonna. I will do one of two things in this state. I'll stay out or I'll endorse the opponent. That's it. I get asked to endorse people all the time. It usually doesn't work well because I end up making enemies everywhere. Right. And so it's really kind of a. It's a net negative. I will say this, though. This is a beautiful state with really conservative people and your values are being steamrolled in Washington D.C. every day. And you do not have a fighter in D.C. that's defending you. I could tell you that firsthand. I could tell you the people who are. Senator Rand Paul is defending your values every day. Senator Rand Paul is going out and he is questioning the consensus from nih. Senator Ted Cruz is defending your values. Senator Josh Hawley is defending your values. That's what that looks like. No more policy wonkery or doing deals with the other side or multi trillion dollar infrastructure packages or whispering about amnesty. No, no, no, no. We need hearings, subpoenas, we, we need to play offense. We need to call out the other side for their deep state trickery every time it rears its head. And by the way, this whole idea like, well, we don't have power. They do understand like 90% of being in the United States Senate is show theater. Right? That actually matters a lot. You move the Overton window, you give validity to good ideas, you get rid of bad ideas, you show your voters that you're defending them. That's a really important thing. And so yeah, I'm really disappointed that this wonderful beautiful state is being represented by just another transactional kind of lobbyist supported person. That's not to say that I'm, you know, fully informed about the entire voting record there, but that, that's a letdown, to be perfectly honest, because I, I believe in this very simple idea that political power is given. Okay? They're not entitled to political power. You gave it to them, okay? And you get, it's the consent of the governed. So when that mandate is transacted, then those people need to realize like, wow, my voters are really upset about these sorts of issues. Why am I not speaking out on them and why am I not doing something about it? And that, that's a really, you know, important question. So anyway, that's, that's my, that's my current, you know, shtick on that. And I'll just kind of complete the point by also just saying that the Democrats in D.C. if I could just talk strictly political here. And Turning Point USA is a 501C3. So we're just on educational and cultural issues, but talking political personally here. They don't fear us. They don't fear any sort of retribution or backlash. They believe that they can crush us into submission and we are going to take it. They do fear Rand Paul and Josh Hawley. They fear them because they speak out and they're willing to Use subpoena power and call Fauci at these hearings. I want you to think for a second. Do you think they stay up late at night worrying about Oklahoma senators exposing their treachery? Maybe it's time for new leaders.
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Okay. Thank you for your patience. Yes, sir.
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Could you touch on Critical Race theory and the states that are embracing it, the states that are rejecting it and just kind of its agenda in schools? Yeah. I want to compliment your governor. I was really impressed when I spent time with him back in March. He signed a ban on critical race theory and got a lot of backlash for it. And I want to thank Governor Stitt. I think he's been very good on this. He really has. So I don't want to make this whole thing just a bash session of, you know, I think he's been wonderful on that. Yeah. Critical Race theory is an existential threat to the American way of life. And it's in every major school district across the country. We actually just came out today with our school. I can't. It's been a long week today. Wade, 6am Right? Trying to think, where was I? How long have I been here? Am I a citizen now? It's like resident of Oklahoma. It's a long trip. Anyway, so we came out this morning with school board watch list. You guys can all go to it. It's schoolboard watchlist.org of the hundred largest school districts across the country where we rate their voting records. Again, it's a 501C3 project. So it's not a political project, it's just a matter of information. But one of the highlighted school districts is Norman Public School District, and we have that prominently displayed on the front page of the website. I encourage you to check that out. You should see how the people in Norman, Oklahoma have been implementing mask mandates, entertaining Critical Race theory. And you could look at it for yourself. So what is Critical Race theory? You're going to hear about this a lot on television. It's really. We don't have to overthink it. If you guys want, I could do a 30 minute riff on it. I actually don't think we have to do that. It's super simple. It's teaching your children to care about race, hate themselves and hate the country. That's it. I grew up in an America where I was told that character, spirit and soul were the most important parts of a human being. I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic. English as a second language. I grew up around different cultures and backgrounds and races and Ethnicities. I, for a short period of time, believe that I lived through a moment in America that was de emphasized with race. It was beautiful, it was great. We got along. No one cared about if you look different. We are doing the opposite. We are now intentionally manufacturing racial division. We are intentionally manufacturing anti racist white sentiment. We are manufacturing this idea that the way you look, things you cannot change are necessarily immoral. Remember, a society that organizes itself based on things you can't change is immoral. We organized our society based on things you can change. That's what makes America different. In India, they've organized their whole society. And things you can't change. Pure caste system. Who. Who's your father? That's who you're going to be in America. It's now show me what you got. It's the pioneer attitude. That's the Western spirit that empowers the individual. Puts an emphasis on meritocracy, on choice, on action, on agency, which is what's called the Protestant work ethic. Every one of you need to be alert and aware that these insidious ideas are being implemented in your schools. It might not call itself critical race theory. Oh, we don't teach critical race theory. Here's what they will call it. Equity training, social emotional learning. There's all sorts of different things that are implemented. It's very simple. Are you teaching young children to care about race? Yes or no? Are you teaching a proper historical account of the United States founding and the American journey? Yes or no? Now, I'm sure there's any homeschoolers out there. Homeschoolers are going to save our country, by the way. Awesome. I want to give a. I want to give a plus plug to a partnership that we have developed with the Beacon of the North, Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan. If any of you. So people say, all the time, they ask me, they say, charlie, how can I save the country? What can we do? We have to learn more. We have to dive deeper into our ideas. We have to pursue things that are eternal and never change. So we have come up with a partnership with Hillsdale College. It's Charlie f o r hillsdale.com. if that interests you at all, feel free. Home. It's homeschool supplemental curriculum that you can go through. It's a full curriculum on the American story. And then there's 25 online courses you can go through, from Euclidean geometry to Aristotle's ethics to Sparta versus Athens to the Federalist Papers, Constitution 101. Every night my wife will tell you, I go through my own Hillsdale Online courses. People say, charlie, how do you know so much about all this stuff? I take these courses and I take the tests and I go through them. My. They are rigorous, but they are fulfilling. You will end up wanting to fight for your country more. You'll end up having more clarity the more you realize the history, the sacrifice, and the beauty of the tradition before us. So if that piqued your curiosity, it's charlieforhillsdale.com it's free of charge. You guys can go through it. It's a wonderful partnership with Hillsdale College.
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All right, here's what we're gonna do. We just. You're fine. We have about 12 more minutes or 13 minutes, and we'll. We're 20. We'll go as far as we can. Please don't be upset with me if we can't get to you, but let's go right here.
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My name is Rachel Yost.
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I'm a senior in high school.
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There are several young high schoolers in
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the room who are very passionate about truth and want to defend it.
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So my question for you is, how
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do you advise us as we go
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out into the world to defend truth? And where should we start?
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That is such a great question. Thank you for being here tonight. By the way, so. Says this in the Bible many times that when you proclaim truth, especially the truth of the gospel, you will be persecuted. It's a promise of persecution. There is no question about it. So I say this to our Turning Point USA students all the time. So we just had an amazing gathering in Tampa, Florida. 4,000 young students from across the country. If you've ever been to a Turning Point event, or if you haven't, you guys have to attend. It's the most fulfilling experience to see students from all walks of life and differences and backgrounds commit themselves to trying to save Western civilization. It's really a beautiful thing. But you know what I tell these students is I start with the honest truth, which is if you're going to stand for truth, you will lose friends, be kicked out of social groups, and you might have more difficulty finding jobs. But I can promise you one thing that no one else can promise you. You can be the same person in public that you are in private. That's a be. That. That is the promise I can give you. So people say, charlie, how do I change the country? Don't put on a camouflage uniform the day you. The minute you leave your. Your. Your home, be the same person. Say the same things you say to your friends. That you say publicly. And the other thing is this, which is if you want to pursue truth, dive into an intellectual tradition that has been rigorously. That has been rigorously defended around what is truth and where does it come from? I talk about this is one of the reasons why I partnered with Hillsdale. There is this very disturbing trend of children that are raised in evangelical homes that are defecting from their faith. One of the reasons, and this is the classical argument, is not all of them have been classically educated. Classical education will logically bring a child up to the conclusion of that there is an unmoved mover, that there is a creator to creation, and all of a sudden they will have the tools necessary to defend against Satan's attacks, to try to have them doubt their faith. So I tell young Christians, I want to pursue truth. Know your Thomas Aquinas, know your Aristotle, know the metaphysics arguments, because you're not the first person to wrestle with these. What I have found, and there's an example of this, of someone in a southern state. I won't say which one because they'll know I'm talking about it. But he was raised in an evangelical home. Pastor's kid, right? Bible is true, inerrant word, but never really was taught why it was true, never really taught. The metaphysics doesn't walk with the Lord anymore. Deconstructed, walked away from all of it. And I'm seeing that happen in disturbing numbers. And so I just want to make sure you're armed with the expectation and the ability to be able to contest and fight for truth. And then the final thing is this is commit yourself to courage. Courage is a choice. Courage is not passed in the bloodstream. Here's the cool thing about courage and that we saw this In World War II combat theaters are really interesting lessons for human behavior. Is that the tallest, biggest, and sometimes strongest man had the least courage. Courage is something that every single person has access to. It doesn't matter. Your intellect, your ability to reason. It doesn't matter if you're fast or you're slow. You can fly airplanes or not. It takes a conscious decision to be courageous. George S. Patton, one of the greatest figures ever to live in American history, said, moral courage is the most necessary yet absent characteristic in men. Aristotle said, courage is the virtue that ties all the other virtues together. You cannot have justice, contemplation, friendship, peace, or prosperity if you do not have courageous people that are willing to do something about it. What is courage? Doing the right thing when you don't know how it's going to end up. If we are a courageous people, our country will drown itself dramatically. Improve.
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Very good. Yes, sir.
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Charlie, earlier in your speech, you talked about the importance of having dialogue, which I agree that's something the right is often denied, especially today in the age of de platforming. I'd like to ask you about your debate that you had with Bausch a couple weeks ago for the audience. Bausch is a YouTuber. He's an open communist. He maybe not advocates, but apologizes for child pornography. He's very strange. And he. After the January 6 protest, he suggested that Trump supporters should just be executed. Now, my issue is, Charlie, in this debate, you let him do a lot of the talking and you didn't really push back on him that much. Why should we have dialogue with someone as disgusting as vouch who would like to basically, you know, kill someone like me and you? When vouch is disgusting like that, shouldn't we be more in the process of frankly humiliating these people and basically owning them? I do plenty of that, too, don't worry.
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Yeah.
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As you probably know. Yeah. I mean, you're telling me more about him than I knew. I mean, I just knew he was kind of a YouTube personality and kind of hadn't shaved in a while. I mean, look, I. I tend to try to have. Maybe it's idealistic, you know, this kind of Christian idea that dialogue is really important before we kind of descend into the lower rungs of humanity. I might be wrong. I should probably be more cynical, but, yeah, look, I'm going to go into a discourse that's set up by a neutral party like Tim Pool, as long as it doesn't descend into a direction I don't like, with at least the good spiritedness of trying to pursue truth and reason. You just educated me a lot on some of his views. I came in just knowing he was kind of like this weird libertarian socialist. And I felt, actually, I got lots of emails that people were persuaded by some of the questions that I asked and kind of the mannerisms that I put forward. So I'd actually ask you to kind of think about that and reflect on that. Because if I went in with a belligerent attitude, trying to just blow up the whole thing, I don't know if that would have been helpful to the cause. Maybe I should have been more informed with his prior weird remarks towards that stuff, I guess. But, you know, you're doing a lot of things at once. I don't exactly have a focus on trying to figure out every sort of opinion that someone on YouTube has ever held. But I will say this though, if you watch the entire thing, Watch the dialogue that I had with him on abortion changed a lot of people's opinions. Watch the dialogue I had with him on the American founding. And yeah, he did do a lot of talking and I did a lot of asking of questions. And I think that we should pursue dialogue while we still have it if we can. And I am a believer that through reason and through speech we can hopefully, you know, stay away from bullets. You have a follow up remark really quick. Oh, okay. Thanks.
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Good question. Yes, ma'.
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Am. I'm Brooke Sims and by the way, my great, great grandfather was George Patton.
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Oh, wow. I'd love to. Wow. I'd love to get your opinion on who killed George Patton, actually. So, yeah, privately, family secret.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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But I'm also a high school government and US History teacher and during our parent teacher meetings, I tell the parents we are going to have debate Friday. We will debate any topic. I have debated every topic you can think of, but we try to steer it more towards government. What does the law have to say about it? And is it in the Constitution? And I get it from both sides. You can't teach my kid that because I want to teach them that or I get it from the other side. 16, 19 is right and you're wrong. My I. My job is to arm them before they go to college because they're going to go in, especially from Oklahoma, and their mind is going to be blown and they're going to believe anything anybody tells them. But now I'm out of a job because I've got censored from both sides. So if I decide to go back into teaching, what does someone like me do?
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So wait, so did you have tenure
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or that's the school we were at? No.
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Okay, so what are the two sides again? One's the 1619 side. And what's the other side?
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We debate 1619. They want to know critical race theory. We debate climate change, abortion, marijuana, anything. Because they want to know. Your students, your children want to know what's going on. And so we debate it constitutionally. Yes. Opinions get thrown in there. I never share my opinion unless they come to me afterwards and ask. But I have got it from both sides. So I'm being censored no matter which way I go.
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Was it a public school or private school?
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Public school.
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Well, without tenure. That's actually a great concept. Yeah. Just other states, you know.
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I agree.
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Yeah, I kind of like that. Yeah. So I guess the question is what, what do you do about that? Or just look, I mean, this is a. This is an important thing, which is what is education? Which means to lead forth. Right. I don't believe students opinion should be taken seriously till they're 20 years old. Old. They have no idea what the heck they're talking about. Seriously, that. That's not what education is. You're there to tell them what's true. Right. So I want you to think about this. Like, yeah, they can share their opinion and stuff. Then you should tell them what's really going on. That's what you should do.
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I do. I get a. I give a set of facts.
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Yes.
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That I've gotten, that I've researched.
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Yes.
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But I. And I don't get it from the students because they want the conversation. It's the parents.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So is a parent saying, you're not doing enough or I.
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So if you're on the. Right, especially now with the new law about critical race theory is that they don't even want the kids to have a discussion in class. Well, if I don't discuss it in class, then they're going to go out into the world and they're going to believe something that's not correct.
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Yeah. I could see. I could see what you're saying. And I can also see where the parents are coming from. I mean, critical race theory is. Eugenics is basically. Basically the furthest extrapolation. There are certain things we don't teach in school for a reason. They have no place in an academic theater, especially in the development of young children. Happy to dialogue with you with this privately, but I will say this, that education exists to try to lead children to truth, to goodness and to beauty. It does not exist to try to give them kind of a portfolio of all the different opinions in the world. You know what I mean? It's kind of irrelevant what Nicole Hannah Jones says about 16, 19. We don't care. We care about things that are true. Right. We care about things that never change. So I'm happy to talk about that later. Thank you.
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Before you go, we've got time. I'm sorry for. Just a couple more questions. Paternal or maternal? Great great grandfather Patton.
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Father's side?
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On your father's side. So your maiden name is Patton?
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My maiden is Hoisington, but they married the patent line.
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Amazing. And which school do you teach at?
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I used to teach at a small school at Navajo, but I taught here at Enid for several years.
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Amazing.
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Wow.
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Okay. Yes, sir.
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Can you speak on the ATF's reach on pistol braces and frame receivers and how we as citizens continue to defend our gun rights.
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Yeah, same.
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The ATF or ats? The atf. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. So, yeah, I'm very pro Second Amendment, so, yeah, this is another example where Republicans need to stand up and defend their voters. I'm not libertarian on many issues. There is one issue which is guns. I think it should be easier to purchase guns in this country, not harder. And I think we should encourage more firearm ownership, responsible firearm ownership, for the citizenry to be able to protect themselves and their way of life. And we should resist the even notion of that. Guns are going to be registered and confiscated in this country. The government has no business doing that. But guess what? We were. We're losing that argument. You know why? They can mandate vaccines. They can come take your guns, everybody.
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Exactly.
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Make no mistake, they are related. A security state has many different. Has a character pattern, and that's one of them. So what can we do about it? Your federal elected officials better start making some noise because he's about to get confirmed as ATF chairman and he oversaw Waco. That worked out great.
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All right, last two questions. Yes, sir.
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All right, you. Earlier you said that there was the narrative wanted confrontation. Is civil war the end game or is there, you know, what do you see in your crystal ball? Yeah, I don't really have a crystal ball. No, I don't. I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think there will be a movement, though, of people that live in red states that start to come to the realization. I did a whole podcast on this and it was very controversial. I don't think it was, but I mean, people, you know, they. It was called slow motion secession, which is that we're already living through a secession movement. You just don't realize it. And I'll prove it to you. I mean, how many people are moving from one state to the other? How often do you feel as if you don't have one thing in common with people in San Francisco and New York? Not one thing. That's how I feel when I go to la. I feel as if I'm in a different country. When I come here, I feel like I'm back in my country. That's a really dangerous thing. I don't necessarily think it's going to lead to armed conflict or anything. I think the Civil War thing is kind of overdone. Could be true. I think that instead you're going to see a coalition of red states that are going to kind of say, outside of the unified currency. What exactly are we doing here and why are we cooperating to a federal government that hates us now? Be careful what you wish for. That is not a clean break or something that's easy to broker. Thankfully, all those states are contiguous, so there's something to that. Right. But yeah, look, there will be a breaking point where towns like this are basically going to say, what's the point again, for not allowing us to govern ourselves? Like, what do we get out of the people of San Francisco and New York? I think it's different, though. I think their end game is that they want to dominate the totality of the United States. They want to govern all of it. They want to indoctrinate your kids. They want to end homeschooling. This is where the founding fathers were so brilliant to have states rights. States rights makes it really hard to do this. It's easy to conquer France. France is done, by the way. Forget it. Why? They do not have a federated system. They do not have states in France like we do. They do not have governors or states rights. And they do not have a 10th amendment like we have. They have provinces and provinces, different area. They do not have states rights like we do in this country. They don't. So when, you know, the parliament in Paris says we're doing a lockdown, every part of France locks down. And the parliament in London says we're locking down, every part of London locks down. And here when Fauci says we're locking down, Oklahoma's like, yeah, not so fast. That's a beautiful thing.
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All right. All right, let's do this. Dana, you're very gracious. I think I'm going to stop with you. And that way, these who've been standing in line, thank you for your patience. But we're going to have to end it with one final question that I want to ask of you and then just some instructions before we dismiss. Yeah, yeah. I think we're going to stop with Dana. She's an employee. So this is actually. This is a question that was handed
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to me and asked if I would
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ask it for them.
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Okay.
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My question.
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Go ahead. So it's from a military wife and she says, as a military spouse, how
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do I support my active duty member who faces division and man mandates daily?
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We love living in Enid, but the
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base military life challenges our daily life.
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You know what? I'm glad you pressed and I understand why you were asked to ask that. Okay. So on behalf of a military couple here tonight who wish to remain anonymous. How can you support my husband who's really undergoing it?
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Yeah, so this is, this is kind of actually completes the point with the final part of the essay. I'm going to write how we win. And this is a perfect actual ending to all of this, which is the brutal realization of the moment that we're in, which is as I answered that question about the conversation I had with the libertarian socialist that was helpful in trying to change the zeitgeist of persuadable people. I'm telling you right now, the people in charge, they're not going to be convinced any longer. They are going to mandate vaccines for active duty personnel very soon. Unless all of a sudden the combined political power of the state and local level all of a sudden push back against this. This is where your governor needs to get involved. This is where your governor is like, hey, any state support for the federal military in Oklahoma is going to stop if you mandate vaccines. It's not going to happen. This is so I'll give you an example of a very clear way that this can work now. This, you start to, when you start to escalate this, it can go wrong. You can fracture the country. But they're trying to do this and they don't respect us. I'll give you an example. Biden says, I don't care about the eviction moratorium. I don't care about what the Supreme Court says. I'm going to do my own thing, right? He is the first president since Andrew Jackson in 1832, Worcester v. Georgia, just to say, hey, I'm going to kind of make my own laws up. Okay, then North Dakota, South Dakota and Oklahoma should say, okay, we're going to go build the Keystone XL pipeline. Thanks for shopping. That simple. If all of a sudden you're going to make an argument needs based moral argument, well, we can't kick people out of their homes because the Delta variant like, okay, well you can't cancel jobs in the pipeline and you can't sacrifice your energy independence. They're going back to work tomorrow by executive order of the governor. Oklahoma, South Dakota, North Dakota, the federal government has no say here. Now you can have a nullification crisis. If you do that. Make no mistake, they will back down. These are weak people that will shatter at the first point of I deal with these people all day long. Okay? These are paranoid people that don't think we're ever going to rise up and challenge them. So from the military side, it would be great if we had senators that actually decided to defend our military against forced vaccinations, I haven't seen their comments on that, but this would be a great kind of chance for Inhofe to kind of flex his muscle with all of the multi decades of credibility he's built on the Armed Services committee. If I'm not mistaken, that's been one of his highlights of his career. He could end this. He could. He knows every single one of these generals by name and has given them everything they wanted the last 30 years. Every stupid war that we've gotten into of rebuilding a country that falls apart in an afternoon, we decide to pull out. It's about maybe Senator Inhofe, with all the respect I have for him, which is a lot, he needs to stand up and say, my entire career I gave you every helicopter, every missile you asked for. You are not vaccinating active duty personnel in this state or across the country. It's not happening. He could end this tomorrow. It's like, well, I don't have that power. Like, yes, you do. You go to the Pentagon. You have been the piggy bank for them for, for years. He's given them everything they want. And all of a sudden we're supposed to believe these people have no political power. Like, cry me a river. You have our heroes at air force bases that are sending me these beautiful letters across the country saying, I am being forced to take a medical, experimental medical vaccine against my will. I want to sacrifice my country and my own leaders won't stand up for me. So they need to hear from you. The governors need to hear from you. And I don't want to hear we don't have power. Figure it out. Think like Lincoln. Okay? Lincoln was creative and crafty. They said, well, you know Lincoln, you can't abolish slavery. And he said, okay, give me an afternoon. Came back, well, I can't abolish slavery, but under act of war, I can say, you can serve in my military. If I abolish slave and emancipate those that might already be slaves in middle states, like, well, that's kind of unprecedented. Well, that's what I'm doing. And it's called the Emancipation Proclamation. Think like Lincoln. Republicans stop thinking like lawyers that are a bunch of yes men in the corporate class. Our voters are under attack. And let's forget voters. Our heroes are under attack. If we can't stand up for our veterans, what good is our political system? Yes, it's time to start raising the temperature. It start using time to start using political power. This vaccine is a trial run for Orwellian totalitarianism, and so your leaders in this state have a real chance in the next 60 days to find out what they're made out of. They've done a lot over the last couple years for this entire military industrial complex. I sure hope they start using that muscle. If this is not your home church and you have a pastor that might want to be part of a coalition for liberty, please contact us at Turning Point Faith. And talk to Jonathan if you're interested in the homeschool thing. If I could just summarize. Yeah, that's okay, charlie fo r hillsdale.com Finally, I've deputized all the teenagers to go subscribe all of you to the podcast. But I think you will enjoy. We do two podcasts a day. We talk about the gospel, we talk about what's happening in the world. We'd love to become one of your go to news sources and then finally everybody. You have more power than the media has led you to believe. This is still a citizen led project. Speak truth always. You know what Satan does really well? Disempowers you, makes you feel as if you don't have a voice. It doesn't matter what you do that is not of the Lord. What you do matters. The founders gave us a gift of this beautiful country and standing alongside of you, we're going to say to the for more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.
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