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Charlie Kirk
My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Friday, May 15th. We're here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Got our merch. This is one of Charlie's favorite shirts, by the way. Never surrender. You can check it out. You get your own shirt there. But I want to get started right away. Here we got Andrew Ferguson. He is the FTC chairman and he's also the vice chair of the anti Fraud task force that J.D. vance is chairing. He's vice chair. And I want to get right into it because we have limited time. So welcome to the show, Mr. Andrew Ferguson, chairman of the FTC. How are you, sir?
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Graham Allen
Doing well.
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Andrew Ferguson
Thanks for having me.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, we are so proud to have you and honored to have you because you are doing the people's work. I think we are. When we look around the federal government, when we see what you are doing to counter fraud in states like Minneapolis and California and Maine and elsewhere, New York, it literally makes my heart happy. Because this is why we elected President Trump in November of 2024. To do the people's business and to take back what is being robbed and ripped off from us, the taxpayers of this country, oftentimes by foreign people that should not be here, that are taking advantage of our generosity. Sir, the floor is yours. Tell us why you agreed to be vice chair of this task force and what you guys are accomplishing. Spike the football, sir.
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Andrew Ferguson
Well, I think Generally, if the President asks you to help your country, you stand, salute and do your job. And when he asked me to take this on, you know, I said yes. And I think this is one of the most important initiatives that President Trump has put forth in either of his terms. Because this fraud is bleeding the country dry. And this isn't just a like financial issue. Our society, the society we inherited as part of Western civilization is premised on neighbors being able to trust each other on basic issues that we don't have to constantly check everything that everybody is doing that there has to be some level of mutual trust. The West, Western civilization requires high trust societies. If elements of society are bleeding the rest of us dry, we will lose trust in each other, we will lose faith in our government, and we will lose faith in the American experiment. And so this isn't just about putting money back in the pockets of Americans from whom it was stolen, although that's an important part. This is about restoring the trust that is necessary for American civilization, for Western civilization to survive at all. And that is why only President Trump could have done this. No other president has taken the civilizational mission of the United States as seriously as President Trump. And if we're going to continue carrying out that mission here and everywhere else, we have to restore trust. And so that just as much as the finances, just as much as going after the criminals, that's why this effort is so important.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I think that's so spot on. I think we don't give enough credit to the fact that our civilization only exists if the people have confidence in it. It Right. And that we trust that the system is being followed. I mean, Charlie used to talk about anarcho tyranny, where the state would go after the law abiding and they would allow the chaos agents to roam free with impunity. That is finally getting flipped. And I think it's critically important if you're gonna ask somebody to pay their taxes, you better darn well believe that that money's being put to good use and that the bad guys aren't getting free reign to rip you off and take advantage of your generosity. So I completely, I salute your ideological framework and the premise from which you're operating. Sir, I want to ask you, give us some examples because I've seen, I was looking at your X feed this morning. You've got HSI involved. I know Secretary Bessant has been involved at Treasury. You guys are using the doj, there's a task force there. Explain how the whole of government approach is being utilized and why that's so critical to success here.
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Andrew Ferguson
The only way to fix this problem is to have every element of the government with some responsibility, working hand in hand with all the other parts of the government. And that's why only the Vice President could lead this task force. You need someone with the gravitas and the capability to stand above everybody else and say, this is how it's going to be. Everyone needs to work together, everyone needs to share information, share resources in order to get this done. And that is why it is so important that Vice President Vance is doing this and only he could. And you really need to think about this as like a two prong approach. Prong one is bad guys go to jail, and that is DOJ's job, or DHS doing very important work on that front too, with hsi, who has remarkable investigators and lawyers at their disposal. But at the end of the day, people who steal from the citizens of the United States, especially if you are here as a guest of the American citizens, you are going to get caught and your butt's going to jail. And that's DOJ's job. The second thing we got to do is we have to stop the bleeding. It's impossible to stop fraud. If your theory of fraud stopping is let the money all go out the door and then we'll go chase the bad guys. There's too many bad guys. It's too much money. And a lot of that money just vanishes. It leaves the shores of the United States. It lines the pockets of the governments of our adversaries. And if we want to really stop this problem, we have to stop it in the agencies. And that means that the agencies need sophisticated, advanced, systematic fraud detection networks within their agencies that can tell when someone is probably making a fraudulent claim on a benefits program, whether that's unemployment insurance, snap, wic, tanf, Medicaid, Medicare, doesn't matter. All of that needs to be handled within the agency because once the money goes out the door, it's very hard to get it back. And that is what the task force has been doing. We have technologists that have been going to these agencies and saying, hey, let us help you harness the power of AI, harness American innovation and technology to build systems that will keep the money from going out the door and actually protect the American taxpayer. And then for that money that does escape, we have DOJ ready to go after these people. They got a huge conviction on a Medicare fraud scheme yesterday that is amounting to almost $1 billion. DOJ is ready. The task force is in all the agenc helping them build the systems treasury, where a lot of these payments happen as sophisticated systems. Treasury CIO is a former DOGE guy. He has built incredibly sophisticated systems to help the other agencies do this. We have. In the coming weeks, we'll be announcing a great incentive program for people to come forward as whistleblowers to alert the agencies when they're being ripped off by all sorts of fraudsters. This is going incredibly well. And again, at the end of the day, it's because President Trump stepped in the breach and said, this ain't happening to American citizens anymore, not on my watch. And Vice President Vance is the only guy who can bring all the agencies together and say we have to work together. We have to solve this problem and we have to solve it right now.
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Blake
Yeah, we love doing the calculation here. We just showed $6.3 billion in fraudulent payment stuff. That's what the graphic we had up. And we love the math of that's you pay about. The average person pays about $500,000 in taxes lifetime. So that's the just with that, the lifetime tax amount of 12,600 people. So a small town, all their taxes for life covered just by this fraud that people are.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I love when you bring it back to that. Mr. Ferguson here, chairman Ferguson, we talk about using the power of government. It's a constant theme that conservatives are too scared to use it. You guys just deferred 1.3 billion to. To California because they're refusing to play ball. 15 seconds. How important is that tool in your arsenal?
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Andrew Ferguson
It's critically important. And at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is save these programs. People have been paying into Medicare their entire lives. People have been paying the taxes that fund Medicaid their entire lives. Fraud is going to kill these programs because it siphons money from people who actually need it. The way we're going to save these programs is killing the fraud. That's why these tools are so important.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Final thoughts about where you guys are going to go next and what we can hope to achieve through this task force.
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Andrew Ferguson
Well, I want to draw your viewers attention to one thing that the vice president announced yesterday that is a little wonky, but is really important. All 50 states in D.C. are required to have Medicaid fraud control units. It's prosecutors and investigators whose job is to prevent, investigate and prosecute Medicaid fraud in their states. And we collectively as taxpayers send about half a billion dollars a year to these units. And the largest chunk of that goes to California. And for years, HHS was basically rubber stamping these units because HHS has to certify that these units are up to snuff. And we announced to all the units yesterday this isn't happening anymore. And the reason that this is so important is that so many of these units are falling down on the job. And this is a huge problem because part of the way Medicaid is supposed to work is that the states are supposed to partner with the federal government to stop the fraud. But if the states aren't going to partner with the federal government, we're basically giving money to ags to line their pockets. And fraud is just going unabated because the states aren't lifting their share of the burden. But the other thing that these units are supposed to do is stop elder abuse. It's specifically in the laws creating these units is that one of their jobs is, is to police elder abuse and elder fraud in facilities that are funded by Medicaid and Medicare. And that's like all of them. And so with these units, especially in states like Hawaii, which has not had a single prosecution in five or single conviction in five years, California, which gets five times as much money as Virginia did under Republican Attorney General A.G. miares, and he got five times as much money back for taxpayers as California did, stopping the fraud is about making sure that people who really need these resources, people who have paid for them, American citizens who need these resources in hard times, that generous Americans have agreed we're willing to help, can actually get them. If we don't stop the fraud, these programs won't survive. President Trump is trying to save Medicaid, Medicare and SNAP by stopping the fraud. And that's what this task force is all about.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
We have your back, sir. Andrew Ferguson, FTC Chairman and Vice Chair of the Anti Fraud Task Force. The work to eliminate fraud, it's so critical. I'm so glad you guys are diving in with just such earnest. I think it's so important and so needed. Thank you, sir. God bless you. We have your back. Thank you. All right, we gotta get to another clip. President Trump sat down with Sean Hannity last night, and it was quite the ranging interview. It was long, they talked about a lot of stuff, and I would say 99% of what they discussed I agreed with. There's one part, however, that I felt was central to some of the things that Charlie spoke about, some of the things that Blake and I both care a lot about that it's just a gentle, gentle correction. And I want to chalk this up to a generational divide, right? Because if you are President Trump, you grew up with the United States university system being the envy of the world. It is the gold standard. It still really is. In some ways. In some ways, it's not. In some ways, it's become corrupt and bloated, which we've talked about a lot on this show. But I want to play this clip, and I just want to offer our counterpoint here. Again, 99% of what President Trump said in that interview was spot on. No issues at all. He's on the point. He's on the game, this one. I just, again, I think it's a generational issue. Plays out one.
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Unknown guest (possibly a commentator)
As far as the students, it's 500,000 students. They come good students. I could tell them I don't want any students is a very insulting thing to say to a country. They would then immediately go out and start building universities all over China. But if you don't have those students, good students, by the way, I frankly think that it's good that people come from other countries and they learn our culture, and many of them want to stay here. I think it's good.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
All right, Blake, your initial, your initial reaction.
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Blake
It's a few things. Honestly, the best defense of what the President is saying is we have a really bad trade deficit with China. And one of the few things we export to them is college diplomas. So if they send students here and we can sell them a piece of paper for tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and, well, we're not selling them that many cars, we're not selling them that many manufactured goods. We're maybe selling them a bit of agricultural product. It's one of the few things we still export to China, so to speak.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Boeing planes, that was another deal.
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Blake
But the concern is, I mean, he points out, they'll start building universities in China. They've already done that. While we've had our universities be sinking under DEI and massive administrative bloat, China's universities are becoming the best in the world. Actually. Like, look up Peking University, Tsinghua University, those are absolute world class. The best students now stay in China. We're actually not getting the best students from China anymore. But the reason China really wants their students to keep coming here, the reason they don't consider that humiliating, the reason China could easily think we want our students to stay in China as much as possible. They like sending them here because they view every young Chinese person as a de facto spy, even if they're not in the direct employ of Chinese Intelligence, they can get on the staff of researchers. They can infiltrate organizations that do sensitive research, they can steal technology. They can take information and bring it back to China. Or even if it's as simple as they can fill a job that otherwise could go to an American who would learn this field, and instead it's being learned by a Chinese person who can go back to China. And America will not have a person capable of doing that. China does. And I think all of those factors make it a little worrisome, and it shows why China wants their students to keep coming here so much.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. So a country. This is what was going through my head the whole time, Blake, is that China, kind of like Iran, they will refuse indignities. They do not want to be humiliated. So ask yourself, why are they willing to sort of tacitly admit that, oh, America's universities are better. We're sending 500,000 of our students over to America because they have an ulterior motive. The ulterior motive is to take up space from Americans, spy, steal technology, steal research, and then send it back to China. So President Trump's answer to this was actually fairly interesting. He said, well, we spy on them too. So what do you want me to do?
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Blake
They're better at spying on us.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah. This is a massive insult to a country to say you can't send your students here. There was a time, and I would say the 50s, 60s, 70s, even the 80s was really big on this, maybe the 90s as well, where the idea was very optimistic in nature that we're gonna do these cultural exchanges. The students are gonna come to America, they're gonna see how amazing our culture is. They're gonna go back and they're gonna be diplomats on behalf of the United States.
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Blake
Now the opposite's happening. They come to America and they think this country is messed up.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, maybe, maybe not. I think there's some that's you being a little bit, okay, maybe I'm too black pilling.
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Blake
They're not making China democratic.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
The point is, when you're a young American and you want to get into the sciences, you want to get into computer technology, these types of things, robotics, and you go in and say you're a white boy from Omaha and you walk in and it's 98% Chinese and Indian, you think, whoa, I guess I'm in the wrong place. We don't want that. We are the nation that sent men to the moon. We're the nation that created the atom bomb. We are the Nation that has pioneered countless fields. Computers, robotics, it's AI.
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Blake
It's not just that. It's that because we bring in so many of these students and they fill, for example, graduate student slots at the school, they're bringing down the wages that the schools pay to those. So it doesn't pay as well to go into those fields, which keeps Americans from going into them at all.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
It crowds them out as well. It crowds them out.
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Blake
It crowds them out and it lowers the actual economic appeal of doing it. So someone who's good at math, who maybe we should pay them $400,000 a year to be a rocket scientist, they're going to go make $400,000 a year to be a quant on Wall Street. But a quant on Wall Street, I'll be frank, is not as valuable as a rocket science.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
No, because you're pushing around papers and financial instruments. Yes, there is some value. I'm not like a complete black pillar on financial instruments. There can be great creativity in the financial markets. Our capital markets are the envy of the world too. But when you actually make physical things, this is why Charlie loved Elon Musk so much. You're making physical things. You're creating and producing rockets and cars. There is incredible value to a country that can still produce and manufacture physical objects. Got to hit this clip really quick. This was about farmland and Chinese buying it up. Sat 10.
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Colin Plume
I would assume I'm in Beijing if
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Unknown guest (possibly a commentator)
I wanted to buy property near one
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Colin Plume
of their military installations.
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Unknown guest (possibly a commentator)
I don't think President Xi wouldn't let you.
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Caller Gracie
I don't.
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Unknown guest (possibly a commentator)
Look, it's not that I love it. You want to see farm prices drop, you want to see farmers lose a lot of money, just take that out of the market. But they've had a lot of land for a long time. Obama did nothing about it. They bought a lot of it during the Obama administration. He did nothing about it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
All right, so the fact that prices might fall could actually end up being an okay thing for the next generation that maybe wants to inherit the land or buy some land, become the next generation of farmers. I think you got to let the dust settle. You got to let the market settle where Americans are buying it up. We talked about this with institutional buyers with first time homes. I think you got to clear the field and let it be what it is. You cannot be allowing a flat foreign power that wants bad things for America to be buying up our farmland.
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Blake
I would much rather have China investment in America than Chinese students in America.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
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Graham Allen
Hey, thanks for having me, guys.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, I want to congratulate you. You have a new book out, and anybody who has never written a book doesn't understand just how excruciatingly difficult it is to write a book. And you've done so, sir. Tell us about it and why now. What is that? What. What is the premise?
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Graham Allen
Yeah, so I was challenged to write a book. It's called Stand Fight when our Battle for the Soul of America. So I was challenged to write a book that was not just, oh, Graham mad about something, and Graham's ranting about something. And ironically, I was challenged to be more like Charlie. And I know that sounds cliche, but. But it was. It was like, all right, everybody knows what the problems are. Everybody sees the issues. How do we actually move forward? And how do we actually win? And so, and I was also challenged for what does the midterms look like with Donald Trump on his last, you know, his last term as president? What does it look like, you know, moving forward in a, you know, a post Trump type world? And then September 10th changed all of our lives, changed everybody's lives. The world stood still literally in the middle of writing this book. And it put, it put to words this horrific thing that I saw coming. And even in the book, when people read it, I say in the beginning, a lot of this book was written before September 10th. And I chose to keep it the way that I wrote it originally because of, unfortunately and tragically, what unfolded with Charlie and the political assassination culture that we find ourselves in now and the character assassination culture we find ourselves in now. And there is an active effort to divide our side. There is an active effort to disenfranchise the American voter to show up in the midterms. And the whole purpose of this book is to hopefully ignite a spark back into the American people that the war for our country never ends. That's the biggest. That's the biggest lie. That's the biggest bad news is everybody thinks that one election and then it's over and then it's done, we won, and we don't have to fight anymore. And that's actually the exact opposite. Every single election, every single midterm, every single presidential cycle, it's another battle in the war that is to preserve our American way of life here in this country. And so that's why I wrote it. That's what I was challenged to do. And I feel pretty good about this one. I think people will see a different side of me coming from the admin side of this and seeing the real depths of the swamp, if you will. And I hope that it encourages a lot of people to show up in November.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I love that you chose to keep in the book what you wrote before 9, 10. Actually, I find myself as well, Graham, going back to that frame of mind when we were just day in, day out with Charlie and going through the messaging and remembering that as sort of a North Star for how to comport ourselves and how to behave, because some of the stuff that's happened in the wake of it, I mean, obviously you know this as well as anybody, Graham, you've been so outspoken, has been so extreme, has been so completely unthinkable before 9, 10, that I think some of the things that we knew that that can remain our North Star, the way that we did things, the way that we looked at challenges. I just think that that is a purifying thought. It is a clarifying thought because so much has been disorienting. Sense that almost going back to that time just before can be very focusing and I think healthy.
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Graham Allen
Yeah, no, I think so. And I was listening to the footage that you guys were playing of Charlie right before this, and just even what he was talking about then, how there are people trying to divide us and to get us to fight against each other, to lose focus of what the actual mission is. And the actual mission is in 2024, we had one of the greatest historical political comebacks in history. We defied all the odds, not just for President Trump's, you know, resolve, but also for Turning Point USA and Charlie and you and Blake and everybody else and Erica and so many people played such a vital role in that. And I refuse now to let that be thrown away because we have these instant gratification societies. We have these people that, that, that, that take the policies that Trump is doing that are actually very good policies. We have. Trump went to China just now in a position of strength. I talked about this China, seeing them roll out the red carpet for President Trump, I thought that was amazing. He's got 50% of their oil with the Strait of Hormuz. Like, the things the President is doing is going to make America better for generations to come. But you now have these victim mentality, chaos agents that are trying to convince the American people, even though we won, oh, we didn't really win. Like, oh, we thought that Trump was the guy, but, oh, he deceived us too. And all of this. And it's the next thing and the next victim and the next deceit and the next divide and the next chaos and the next confusion.
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Caller Don
And.
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Graham Allen
And again, that's the purpose of this book, is to reignite in the American people who, admittedly, I know you guys feel the same way I do. I'm tired. I know you guys are tired. I can't imagine, Erica, I can't imagine the President. I can't imagine how many of the American people are tired, maybe a little bit weary, maybe a little bit battle fatigued, but that's the whole point, is to keep pushing forward and to keep moving forward through the midterms. So these policies do have time to take effect and to educate the next group coming after us. Because we all can't fight for forever. No one can fight for forever. The. The goal is to keep reigniting the torch, to hand it off to the next younger, better Smarter generations behind us again, which is why I wrote the book.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, it's.
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Blake
It's so good. I think of some of Charlie's favorite lines that people would ask him what his favorite quote was and is. Lead, follow, or get out of the way, which is a very aggressive favorite quote to have. But it does tie in so much with what you're talking about, which is you are certainly not leading or following if you're just sewing discord, complaining, finding reasons to be aggrieved, ignoring successes, refusing to look for additional successes that are available. And Charlie was so good about identifying that that he would. He would tout the victories on the border, on. On trade, on whatever you want to find. And then he would also be finding new things to find victories on. He loved to lobby red state legislatures. He would love, for example, the redistricting fight going on, that he would be celebrating the states that get it done, like Tennessee. He would be nagging the states that are dragging their feet, like Mississippi right now, but in a way where it's not just, they've betrayed us, this party is dead. He would be saying, call your legislators. Get this done. We can make this happen. It's that he also loved to talk about having a growth mindset and an abundance mindset, that there's always improvements out there. There's things. Don't take any defeat too personally and find new ways to move past it. Don't settle on just whining all of the time.
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Graham Allen
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. You know, I did my best. It's a very horrific version. To try to channel Charlie's insight and his leadership in this book. Again, I was challenged not just to be the. The angry Graham that rants and. And, you know, calls out what's wrong, but to.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
We love that Graham, though. We love that Graham. I just want you.
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Graham Allen
I know, I know, I know. But. But, you know, at some point, you have to maintain that person, but also take the wisdom that we've gained along the way and hopefully channel it into a way where people. My hope is that people will continue to go back to this book. That's my hope, that they find, you know, lasting impact in this. Because, again, the biggest lie that people believe is that we only need to win one election and then it's over. The fight for America, the fight for our freedoms, the fight for our. For our faith, it never ends. It keeps going. And that's why I hope everybody will check out the book and they can go to gramalan.com to get the book. You can buy it wherever you like. It's on sale everywhere. I will be doing the audio version. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, if you like the audio versions of books. But, but I appreciate you guys so much and, and I stand with you guys, you know this wholeheartedly. And we literally are gonna stand, fight, win together in November. And I believe it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I'm going to take a page out of your book here, my friend. Make sure to check out his new book@gramalan.com, check it out. Just announced today. Congratulations again on that. But I'm going to take a page out of your book. You are a fearless voice in the space. You go straight for it. You deal directly with some of the main spreaders of disinformation and conspiracies, namely Candace Owens. Yesterday she did have an allegation. You went, I checked out your show this morning. You went straight for it. She was saying that at the White House correspondence dinner that we were, I guess, you know, complicit or coordinating with some like, campaign staged the whole thing. Yeah, tell us about it.
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Graham Allen
Yeah. Well, the thing I went after the most is anytime Candace has any kind of evidence of any kind, all watermarks are removed, all email names are removed. And what I love the most is of everyone who was at the White House Correspondents Dinner, and this is no disrespect to you or Erica Kirk in any way, but you guys were plotting and controlling the whole event, according to Candace Owens. So you've got the President there, the vice president, Secretary of State, Secretary of war, the whole line of secession for the presidency. But, but it was you guys who were running and pulling the strings to, to, to, to hoax this entire thing. And, and what I love more than anything else was Candace going on this, because this is what she does. She says something, people listen. Not very smart people listen, but people do listen. And then where's the evidence? Oh, well, the evidence. Something happened and now we don't have it. But what I'll do is I, I will, I will retype the most pertinent information. So the screenshot that she put up there about this whole conspiracy to boost Erica's, as she calls it, the I want to go home video. Even in her description, she says, this is not the email. I retyped what I viewed to be the most important points of all of this. And then I commented and I said, this is the most made up thing I've ever seen in my life. And then she Never provides any type of truth, any type of anything in that regard. And so I really hope the White House does respond. I would love nothing more.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
They did, Graham, actually, so I think we missed it.
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Graham Allen
I missed it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
We have their response. The White House military office has no knowledge of the communications alleged in this post, and they did not authorize, draft, or publish the content in question. Any attribution to them is completely false.
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Graham Allen
Completely false. Wow. Wow. Love it, love it, love it, love it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
That was.
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Graham Allen
And here's what, here's what.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Candy supporter Mark Caputo.
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Graham Allen
What I loved is Candace will say, go ahead.
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Blake
Sorry, just even the responses someone said someone was responding to Mark and, you know, why did you spend time on this? And he says, well, it just seems so outlandish and so verifiable. I decided to just send an email and then post it on X. Not a lot of work now, I will say. I mean, maybe it's real. I don't, I think Andrew and I could both say we have no idea what any of this is talking about.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
The text between Blake and I yesterday were hilarious. Blake goes, have you, Is this, Is this real? I was like, what if it isn't? I have no idea what, like, there's always, if I, if I can tell you the number of times that, like, allegations have been made, and I'm like, yeah, what on earth? Like, what do they come up with now? So this is, like, one of the reasons we don't play Whack a mole with this stuff, because, like, every day it's like something new that I've, that I, or the organization or Erica has been alleged of plotting. And it's so outlandish that I don't, I don't even know where to begin. But, you know, thankfully, the White House stepped in here and well, well, that
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Graham Allen
photo you just showed right there, that's what an actual inquiry and response actually looks like, Candace, by the way. So, so, so when people actually make an inquiry and people respond, that last slide you just showed, that's what it actually looks like in a real email thread or a text thread when people. So for all those that are watching of what actually getting evidence looks like, there it is. That, that, that. Well, it doesn't look like a retyped, you know, image.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
It's hilarious. I, I, I'm not sure on the exact time frame, but I will tell you, I was trapped in that White House correspondent's ballroom for, I believe, I don't know, 45 minutes to an hour, 15 before, like, I was trying to Text you? Yeah, before I got out, because they locked it all down. I couldn't even get out, like. And there was no service down there. Like, I got two calls that went through when I was down there. One was my wife, 10 minutes after, which I was grateful for. Cause I tried to call her immediately just to let her know I was okay. Cause I was hiding under the darn table. And with Harmeet Dylan, who got stepped on, by the way, by a Secret Service agent. They literally came by our table stepping on the chairs because it was so packed in there. Anyways, my wife got through to me, which was like a miracle, honestly, because it kept trying to dial out and it would just get stopped. Call failed. And then I got a call from Jack Posobic, I think. And then actually three. Cause then Tyler Boyer called me just to check on me. So those three calls came through. Nothing else would go through for me, so I had to get out. And then. They wouldn't let you get picked up in an Uber. I had to hike seven or eight blocks out of the vicinity before I could get an Uber to pick me up. I remember it was like. It was just a wild, wild night. It was terrifying, actually. And mostly because I thought the President had been shot. So I'm hiding under.
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Blake
You knew less than any of us watching at home.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
No, no, I knew nothing. Nobody in that room kn. Anything. All I remember seeing is, like, you know, there was reporters that were getting up on the stage, like, doing selfies, and I thought that was really inappropriate. But, like, when I was. When I was down there, I'm asking everybody that I'm huddled around the table with going, like, did they shoot the President? Was I just present at an event where the President was assassinated?
- [36:17]
Blake
But I just want to highlight a bigger thing about this. This is ridiculous. Because the central accusation, the reason she's running with this is the idea. Oh, the White. The White House went and they just. The military. It's so suspicious that they would just aggressively amplify this video of Erica Kerr to get lots of engagement.
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Colin Plume
Does that.
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Blake
Does aggressively amplifying videos of Erica to get his maximum engagement describe anyone over the past past eight months? Does it? I wonder.
- [36:43]
Graham Allen
Yeah. Yeah. I wonder who that could be.
- [36:45]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
It's final 10 seconds.
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Graham Allen
Graham, go check out the book. The whole purpose of it is to fight against what we just talked about. You can go to graham.com or literally anywhere your books. Thank you guys for having me. Love Turning Point. Love the show.
- [36:59]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
God bless you, Graham.
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Graham Allen
Always got your back.
- [37:01]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
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Colin Plume
Yeah. Good, good to be here.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
It's been a while. Yeah, it has been.
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Colin Plume
It's been a while. Yeah. Lots happening and yeah, I love everything. Money, you know, dollar, gold, finance, real estate.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I love that you're a nerd about it.
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Colin Plume
I like to dive into it. It's what I do.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So you guys can work with colin directly@noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk definitely add that. Kirk. So we get some credit for it. Noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk but tell us, just give us a bit primer and then we're take some questions. You've got a bunch of fun, beautiful things here.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, I brought some product I know everybody loves a gold kilo bar. So I brought this thing just because
- [39:09]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
the weight, it's really heavy. Like people do not understand how heavy this is. Blake, I could throw it to you, but it would probably the table.
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Blake
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a girthy gold bar. So how, how much is a kilogram of gold worth at this point?
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Colin Plume
It's around $150,000.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Okay, well, anyway, it's a little lower today.
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Graham Allen
Yeah, yeah, hand that back.
- [39:33]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
You just brought 100. What are you thinking? Have you not met our staff?
- [39:37]
Colin Plume
There's metal detectors here. Everyone will be safe. Yeah, it's an interesting day. Kevin Warsh, you know, today's the day he's going to be.
- [39:45]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Oh, yeah, he takes over.
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Colin Plume
He takes over today. So I thought that's why today was the day. I thought it was a good day to come in because what's going to. I mean, the Fed has such a massive job right now with everything that's happening. And President Trump has, has been, you know, sounding the bell. We want to lower rates. We want to lower rates. The problem is, is that inflation, you know, last month hit almost 4%. And the Fed has this mandate of keeping inflation down and trying to create jobs and create a sound economic policy. So today he's in office, and then he has about a month before he has his first meeting, and there's all kinds of speculation about what he could do. Can he cut rates, could he raise rates? I mean, all these different things are happening. So that's why I decided to come in today. A lot's happening there.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
It's huge. And everybody's always asking, what about the straight. What about energy? What about China? China's big in the news right now. So what are you, as somebody that studies this day in, day out, what are you looking for when it comes to the China diplomacy, the economic negotiations?
- [40:52]
Colin Plume
Yeah, well, I think that interesting, just in terms of finance, China has a very interesting thing that they have to tackle in that they have US$3 trillion. They also have a massive amount of US treasuries that they hold. They also have, you know, they say a small amount of gold. So they always walk the tightrope of they know the dollar's crashing, they know that the dollar's losing value. They know that they have to be sort of diversified from the dollar, but they own a lot of dollars, right? So they. So they're always walking that tightrope of what to do financially for them, what's going to be the best strategy. So they don't want to completely bash the dollar. But, you know, the BRIC nations have said repeatedly they want their own currency, they want it partially backed by gold or other currencies. So these are the things that I sort of look at is like, you know, China says, we don't have that much gold. 2300, 20, 400 tons. But then you've seen they've had almost, you know, five times that amount in China. But the government has been reporting that they. That they actually own it. That's just there. Interesting. So they're walking a tightrope is what China is.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, I mean, gosh, you have so many fun things here. I'm, like, tempted to just like, you know, what is this?
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Colin Plume
This is a gold back. So this was a. There was a guy about eight years ago, decided that gold used to be money and let's make gold money again. So he created this gold back. Very popular. And, you know, there are corporations that actually accept this.
- [42:23]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
That's actual gold.
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Colin Plume
This has gold in it. It actually has about a little over $4 of gold in here.
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Caller Anthony
Okay.
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Colin Plume
But it shows $1 on it. So this actually illustrates exactly the problem with our currency and why gold is so much more value. Because when he created this, it was actually less than a dollar of gold, just around that amount. And now it's $4 of gold. So that's how much the dollar has lost value over the last six or seven years since it's been. This has been created. So these are illustrations of things that are happening behind the scenes. Inflation eating away at our living and our cost of living. And it's something that, you know, we talk about a lot.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
We have a question from Gracie specifically, I think, tailored to you. Gracie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Unmute yourself. You are on with Colin, Blake and Andrew.
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Caller Gracie
Good morning. My question is, do you have any
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
financial advice for newlyweds?
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Colin Plume
For newlyweds. Well, first, congratulations. I mean, let's. Let's.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Thank you.
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Colin Plume
Let's talk about that. I think there, there's. The first thing is have you had an open and honest conversation about everybody's finances? I would say that's the first thing.
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Blake
Ideally, you had that before you got
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Colin Plume
engaged, but Ideally, but not always. So have you started there? I mean, is everything transparent between the two of you?
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Caller Gracie
Working on it, yeah.
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Colin Plume
Okay, so you haven't had that. So I would say that's probably the first place. So, as you said, I mean, sometimes you get, you know, you fall in love and finances come later. But now that you're going to build a life together, I think the first thing is to dissect what's there. Probably the first thing to do is look at debt.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
What.
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Colin Plume
What kind of debts both of you guys have, and putting together a plan to start to wind down some of that debt. Because at the end of the day when you get together, the debt's going to be, you know, together between the two of you. So that would be the first thing to do. Also, if there's any retirement accounts or any money that's available or anything that could kind of build your net worth, you should start talking about those things.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So I have a question for you. So if they say they've got $50,000 in savings and they got $50,000 in debt, when they're coming together as newlyweds, do you usually kind of recommend that you pay off all the debt first or do you simultaneously pay down some of the debt and invest some of the money?
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Colin Plume
You don't want to be, you don't want to have zero cash. So I would never say put all on the credit card unless you move in with your parents and they say, well, we'll take care of you guys, get to zero. But 100%, you pay off the debt first, you don't do any investments, anything. If you have a 401k of the job and they're matching a 401k and
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
there's a be a penalty for pulling that out.
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Colin Plume
Yeah.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So yeah, okay.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, but I'm saying if you're at a job and they have a 401k and you're putting 3% a year, you can, could continue that. But I wouldn't do anything drastic. I wouldn't buy a house, I wouldn't do any of those things until you're at zero debt.
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Blake
Yeah, I think, I think that's fair. I think a good rule of thumb also in terms of if you're a newlywed is to just to remember if you don't have kids yet, for example, anything you're able to save now, the compound returns on that are far greater than anything you save later. And once you have kids, it's going to be harder to save 100. And I always like to emphasize that. Just, you know, my personal story. I made very little money at my first job in Washington D.C. but I lived with a friend of my dad's for a while, spent no money. I think one year, one month I had a credit card bill of $116. And as a result, so I saved a surprising amount for the amount I earned. But that was happening. This was 2013. This was still the post 2008 stock market. And so anything I saved in that period basically has made five times return just from the market going up since then and never mind any other dividend stuff. So I always liked, you know, if you can, you just Moved in together, hopefully. And your expenses overall should hopefully go down as a result, and you can save tremendous amounts of money in that time period before you have kids and so forth.
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Colin Plume
Great advice. I love it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, you know, that's, that's an under appreciated aspect of when you do get married. Don't do it before. We're not like into cohabitating around here. But when you do get married, you don't have two rents anymore. You don't have a lot of duplicate expenses anymore, and you can really save more money.
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Blake
The guy's not spending as much on dates, though. You should still do dates.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, you should definitely still do dates. We don't want to, we don't want to encourage people not to. All right, next question. Who's up next?
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Blake
How about we do Michael?
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Michael, welcome. Michael, can you hear me? Yes, sir.
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Colin Plume
Yes.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Awesome. So you said financial topics, so here's one. I'm a truck driver and you know, both sides of the aisle keep inflicting money away. And you are talking about the Federal Reserve and all that stuff. I know it has to do with Congress, too. But when are they going to get serious about letting the middle class keep the value that we bust our butts for every day? Because I don't see any part of the federal government being serious about it. Yeah, I totally agree with this. This is one of the. And I really want to talk about the gold standard. What's happened to the dollar since then, because I think that's, you know, that's really hollowed out the purchasing power of the middle class. I just want to say that till the day I die, I will be a budget hawk. Because Bannon talks about this too. It's the lords of easy money, right? Where you get, they print all this money. It, it causes inflation. And really what's happening is it's eroding the working class's ability and their purchasing power of the dollar. And so until we get a balanced budget, until we get really serious about this, we're printing money and we're inflating the problem and kicking the can down the road. So I'm really, really big on that. And we haven't lost sight of that. And, you know, if you go back to the one big beautiful bill, the debates that we had about that, that was one of Charlie's biggest problems, actually, was that we wanted to cut more. Turns out it wasn't really a spending bill, but. And so you got to deal with it in chunks. And right now, divided government filibuster. We're not going to get those big cuts we want. We're not going to get those, that balanced budget that we need. But that's really what's going on here. I don't know if you agree or disagree, but that's a big part.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, you look at the government debt, you know, 39 trillion today. You look at when, you know, Ronald Reagan was in office, it was at a trillion, basically. So we, and now our, our interest on that 39 trillion is over a trillion. So we're spending well per year. Per year. We will never get a balanced budget. I'm just gonna say that now. I, I don't believe in it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Maybe they're saying, hey, we got one in the 90s, we got once.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, but it's, it's. I think we've, we've gone too far in terms of what we're spending, in terms of the question of, of how to do it. I think if you look at the opportunities that are out there, you know, you being a truck driver, hopefully there's, you know, extra income coming in to invest. You really have to do everything to start setting aside money to invest to grow, and you got to get your money there. You know, when you look at the stock market, say you're like, wow, stock market's so high. What is that saying to us? Is it. Are the corporations that much more profitable? I would say, no, they're not that much more profitable. I think it's actually saying that the dollar is so distrusted in the world that people are saying, well, I'd rather just put it in the stock market or I'd rather put it in gold or other things. They just don't trust the dollar.
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Blake
I think that's what to get around to. Another aspect of it, this gets at why it is important and valuable to get investments that are not just cash savings. Because one of the reasons inflation is most damaging to middle class and lower is they're more likely to just keep a larger share of their assets in savings. And some of that's because you need cash for emergencies, rain day and all of that. But sometimes it's just they don't necessarily know what else to invest in, or they distrust markets and all of that. And so they just sock it away in cash under the mattress, literally or metaphorically. And when you're in higher inflation times where they're devaluing currency, you are the loser in that situation, whereas the winners are people who are invested in things that just increase their cash value in response to inflation. Stocks, metals, what have you.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
That was one of the reasons that Covid created one of the largest wealth transfers in human history. And the middle class got screwed. And the incumbent financial class that owned assets, that owned properties, that owned stocks, bonds, precious metals, all those sorts of things, they made out like bandits because their net worth shot through the roof. Meanwhile, people holding savings or working wage jobs, they got absolutely short end of the stick. And that's why we're talking about you've got to put your money to work for you so that it's making money while you're sleeping, while you're not able to drive a truck. That's the key. While the government's just going to keep spending and spending and spending, devaluing the currency, debasing the currency, you got to get assets that are making more on the return on investment than, than inflation. Really?
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Colin Plume
Yeah. And one thing that fun chart is Odell Beckham Jr. I think we have this famous football player. He decided to take 750,000 of his salary in 2021 and put into bitcoin. And everybody thought he was a little crazy or a genius. And you look at what that 750,000 in Bitcoin has done relative to the dollar, obviously in dollar buying power, it's down to 525,000. So keeping in the dollar, Blake, to your point, is a terrible investment.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So it's lost 30% of its purchasing power. Right.
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Colin Plume
Bitcoin's up a little bit, 932,000 in value. But look at gold and look at silver. If you'd bought ounces of gold and silver in 2021, you'd have one point, almost $2 million in gold value. And then silver is the big winner, $2.9 million in value from 2021. This shows the ability of what gold and silver can do during heavy inflationary times. And, and I think today is an interesting example because gold and silver are down because there's some thoughts that the worst is going to come in and that he could raise rates or things are going to happen. In my opinion, he's going to do some kind of quantitative easing. He's going to, he's going to open up the money supply, he's going to figure out a way to do it. There's even been talks about changing how the CPI are.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
You think he's going to raise rates though?
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Colin Plume
No, no, no. Some people think he's going to raise rates, but that's a lot of the reaction today is that the tenure is up. So they don't think he's gonna be able to cut rates. That was the big thing, everybody. President Trump was hoping he comes, but
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
with Iran putting inflationary prices on energy, which trickles down through the whole economy, we've still got this inflationary pressure we've got to deal with. He's got to keep rates either steady
- [52:59]
Colin Plume
or, or, or, or find another way to get more money out there. And that's, and today's a reaction to that. So today is the day that I love in the metals market. You see this pullback and you know it's a buying opportunity to, to acquire precious metals because at the end of the day, when he's in, in a month, he's in today, he's got a month and then he's going to announce what he's going to do. I don't think he's going to sit on his hands. I think he's going to try to get rates down, try to get more money out there to stimulate the economy, because there's a lot of people out there that want.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
But this is a great graph, by the way. To the point of the question, it's like, okay, we are debasing our currency. If you kept it in cash, you're down 30%. If you invest it in silver, you're up almost 300% and your money's worth almost 3 million bucks. So that's how you do it. That's, you gotta, you gotta invest in stuff that's gonna earn a far greater return on investment than the value that the dollar's losing. Here's what your financial advisor won't tell you. By the time the news tells you to buy gold, it's too late. You're waiting. I get it. Everybody's waiting. Waiting to see if the ceasefire holds, waiting to see if the Strait of Hormuz reopens, waiting to see what happens next. But gold isn't waiting for you. It moves on fear, on instability, on the unknown. And it moves faster than you can react. So while you're waiting for certainty, the rest of the world is planning for what comes next. You can wait or you can get prepared. You can't do both. Remember, the best time to put on a seatbelt is before the accident, not after. If you're ready to act, reach out to my friends at Noble Gold Investments. They help Americans protect their savings with precious. With physical gold and silver shipped to your door or held in a tax advantaged IRA, no taxes, no penalties. To roll over a 401k or existing IRA, give them a call at 8776-465347. That's 877-646-5347 or visit noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk that's noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk for your free investor kit, five minutes today could protect decades of savings. Noblegold investments.com Kirk all right, next question. Don, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Please unmute yourself.
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Caller Don
Hi guys. I appreciate you taking my call and I just want, and I just wanted to say that I'm a proud member of Team Erica and I'm. And I've taken the Bible at 365 for the first time this year. I'm really.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
God bless you. That's awesome. I think she's actually recording an episode today of that, so. Oh, excellent. Yeah, very good.
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Caller Don
Yeah, yeah. And I apologize. I forgot today was supposed to be about economics.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
That's okay. No, no, no, that's okay.
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Blake
Yeah.
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Caller Don
All right. The question I have is, Andrew, you said, I think about a month ago that you were taking the Constitution 101 course from Hillsdale. And I was wondering if you would finish that and if so, what's your taking now?
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, so Constitution 101, the meaning and history of the Constitution. It's excellent. I'm about halfway through. And you know, actually the reason I took that was because I remember I was on a plane with Charlie and he was taking it and I was just blown away by it. This concept of how the founders spread out political power over not just geography, not just states, but over time and over, you know, function. So they did it intentionally. They spread and diffused power across not only different institutions. So you got the three legged stool, right? You've got the judicial, you've got the legislative and you've got the executive branches. Then you've got two year terms, six year terms, four year terms. And then, you know, so this concept that the founders really pioneered has swept over the world because it was so brilliant. You can't have the passions of the people be taken by imamdani or something. And then within like six months, the whole country has shifted irrevocably. And you can't get it back. No, that you have to sustain a movement. It has to prove its merit to the people over six years to fully turn over a government. Six years. So you think about the MAGA revolution that President Trump ushered in. That's been about a decade. Why? Because it actually has staying power. People like populism, they like nationalism, they like, you know, basically the industrial base reinvigorating the industrial base and tariffs, all these things. These ideas have staying power, and that is why it's lasted for a decade. But these flash in the pans can't take over the United States. That's why I love Constitution 101. Hillsdale does a great job on it. You asked, what would I do next? What course would I take next? I'm planning on taking the introduction to Aristotle's Ethics, how to Lead a Good Life. Charlie loved Aristotle, Socrates, Plato. Studied them a lot. And so I've committed myself to study them and become as good as I can at those. You're gonna have a hard time.
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Blake
The Nicomachian Ethics is hard to read.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, that's why Hillsdale's gonna make it easy for me. It's not easy. I will tell you, Hillsdale, these courses are actually really rigorous and the scholarship is really deep and it's profound and it's excellent, so you gotta devote yourself to it. But it's free and I recommend it. Charliefforhilsdale.com Blake, what do you think about my choice with Aristotle?
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Blake
That's a good one.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah. CS Lewis would be another fun one.
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Blake
CS Lewis would be easier, for sure.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
The Federalist Papers.
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Colin Plume
Could I do a Constitution reference here? Article 1, section 10. No State shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. So, I mean, listen, there's a reason why I was in there, right?
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Interesting. Now, did we know, because. Okay, hold on. This is actually, I don't know, this part of the Constitution. Do you know this part of the Constitution that's obviously no longer true?
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Blake
Well, the states don't make their own money.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Right. So what. What was the transition Constitutional?
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Blake
Oh, it was kind of a gradual. Was it an amendment? It's a. No, it's not so much that the Congress has the power to coin money. I want to say it was around the Civil War where we really transitioned to centralized US Currency being really dominant and having paper iterations of it. It's a complicated economic question, to say the least.
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Colin Plume
And we went to a central bank policy, so it changed. Yeah. So. But, you know, that's when people. You know, I know his original question was about talking about the Bible, and then we went to the Constitution, both places that gold was money. You know, there's. There's never been. People have been talking about how we're changing the currency, that the currency is going to change and the dollars and what? There's never been a currency that has. That has been a world's reserve currency that has not Been backed by gold.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Are you an abolish the Fed guy?
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Colin Plume
Listen, I love Ron Paul. Huge fan of Ron Paul. I think that it's how. What's the next. Who's in charge? This is my problem because the idea that the power goes back to Congress that's equally as troubling for me to
- [60:01]
Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
imagine AOC having a say in.
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Colin Plume
Yeah. So I don't like the alternative is unless somebody comes up with Blake, are
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
you, are you an abolish the Fed guy? It's a big step to take.
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Blake
I've not thought that hard about and I guess what I would say is as whatever the issues with the Fed, it has coincided with the period of absolute peak American economic dominance. So it's decline if it's true. But even the decline came in decades later. And I don't think it was because of Fed policy. I think it's because we decided to borrow infinity amounts of money and export our industrial base. And I don't think the Fed forced anyone to do that. What I do think is interesting with the, the gold and silver thing is it gets at something which is the sort of desire to debase currency for short term economic thinking has been around for a long time. That's why that's in the Constitution because they're worried about some sort of. They called them levelers. Then they didn't have instead of socialists they had levelers who wanted to level all economic differences. And so what levelers would do is they would want to, for example, they might introduce a paper currency and wipe out everyone's savings essentially by mass inflation, inflate everything away and use paper money. And of course we see that today there's plenty of levelers in today's terms who want to wipe out economic differences, who would happily tear down the entire economic structure to equalize everyone or elevate themselves. And the Constitution was aware of that risk?
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, yeah, I mean the British did this to the colonialists. I mean all the colonies used their own paper currency actually. And even after the Constitution a lot of them had their own paper currencies as you mentioned. Anyways, fascinating stuff here. Thank you very question, Dom. We're gonna go to. Who's next? Mary? Oh, Anthony. Anthony. Okay, Anthony, welcome back to the show. Unmute yourself. What's your question, sir?
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Caller Anthony
This is for Colin. So Colin, through my financial planner I have paper, gold and silver and I would like to add physical and I trust him very much but I also don't trust going to a pawn shop all the time. So would it be Best to talk with your company about this or what would you recommend?
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Colin Plume
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it. Well, people always ask me like what about paper gold? And, and, and I'd say if you're actively trading, I don't know if are you really hands on with your. Are you more of like you said it and forget it, set a plan. And then maybe every year.
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Caller Anthony
So mine's mine set for high risk and everything is. I like to high risk and everything. So I max out my investments each year. So I think which, like, which is like $7,000 I think according to government.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Right?
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Graham Allen
Yeah.
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Colin Plume
It depends on what kind of IRA you have or 401k plan you have.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Right.
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Caller Anthony
But my guy can only do like a paper gold and paper silver. And I would like to add physical because I have digital currency as well, like bitcoin and all that through him and everything. So I have a diverse portfolio. But I want something physical too.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, absolutely. And that's kind of how we came about is this idea that you want something outside of the system. And I do think in this time, this change when there's talking about CBDCs and there's a real shifting with AI to this, everything's digital. Gold really fits into that. And it's because you finally have something that's outside the system. Right. You know, at the end of the day, your 401ks, your IRAs are all a digit, unfortunately. And so if something were to happen, like what kind of control would you have over that? Whereas physical gold, you'd have some, you have it, it's yours, it's a. It's going to protect you against the system.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Do most of your clients, do they actually like have a safe at their home with a gold, like physical gold in it or do. Do you store it for most of your.
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Colin Plume
So I would say a lot of times it's both.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Okay.
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Colin Plume
Most people do both. Most people have a safe at home. We ship it to their home in a discreet package. We can also store. Most of the people that, that we store for outside of an IRA are a little bit older and maybe they're traveling, but usually younger people.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Those shipments must be heavy.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, they're heavy packages. So I would say absolutely we can assist you. We focus on bullion, coins and bars. So we don't get into the. Yeah, this is bullying. This is going to get you the most bang for your buck. The highest weight, highest purity. And the other reason you don't want to go to a pawn shop is that the problem is when you want to sell back. See, we sell the same items day to day, so we're going to give you a great buyback price. When you go to a pawn shop, they don't know how long items are going to sit around. So they have to mark put a premium on the back end because they don't know we're turning around products all the time. We've done almost $4 billion in sales in bars. So we have people coming, selling and buying all the time. So we're going to give you a good price coming in and also a great price coming out.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Okay, perfect.
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Caller Anthony
Because.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Go ahead, Anthony.
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Caller Anthony
No, I was just. That sounds more safer than going to a pawn shop. You know, it's.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah, yeah, don't go to a pawn shop. Yeah, yeah, no, no.
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Caller Anthony
Everybody up here where I live. Oh, just go to a pawn shop. They do gold and silver bars and coins. And I'm like. I don't know if that sounds really
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
safe to do price gouging. By the way, a lot of. A lot of people in this space price gouge. And that's, that's one of the reasons we're with Colin, because I did a whole study on this. I don't want to get into too much detail, but I did a whole study on all the, like, companies. And like some of these companies, like, legitimately, it's like highway robbery. And Colin is not that. He's the opposite of that. So. Yeah, anyways, I mean, I, you know, I think it's fair to say.
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Colin Plume
Right, yeah, absolutely. And we can definitely help you out. And also, you're gonna get a live person to talk to. It's not like a bot or anything like that.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So you can.
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Caller Anthony
Yeah, I already know because I've already. I actually downloaded your free gold investment thing already.
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Graham Allen
Oh, okay.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
By the way, you know what's funny about Colin? I actually thought this was kind of like. I didn't know what to make of it when I first met you, but you were like the big silver guy too. I mean, Obviously you do 4 billion in gold, so you do a lot of gold. But I remember you were like, really big on silver. And it turns out you were right. You know, like, if Odell Beckham Jr would have put it in silver, he'd have 750,000. Would turn into 3 million and not nearly as much in gold. Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, it varies, but time to time. But anyways, so Anthony, since you're asking it, that is noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk, do it. You got to do the slash. Kirk for me. Anthony. Mary. Mary, welcome to the show. Hi.
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Colin Plume
My question, or what are your thoughts on DEI and employers that still use this during their hiring process? And any advice for young adults that recently found out they were only hired because they're of their skin or, sorry, of their race?
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Oh, interesting. So you know somebody. Do you know somebody that found out they were only hired because they were not white? Essentially, I'm going through that.
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Colin Plume
Right. Going through this right now.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Okay.
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Blake
I mean, if you are hired for something, you're unqualified for one thing, is if you're not qualified for it, you should possibly look for another job, especially if it's something where, you know, maybe people are putting trust in you in lives that risk. But at the same time, we are aware people need to earn a living. It's strong to say, like, oh, quit your job because you don't deserve it, or whatever. What you should do is you should become worthy.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I was going to say that.
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Blake
Become deserving of it.
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Unknown guest (possibly a commentator)
Yeah.
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Blake
Good way. If you want a frank way. Clarence Thomas, our favorite Supreme Court justice, he's overtly admitted he received boosts from affirmative action throughout his life. He came from a very impoverished background. He spoke with a Gullah accent growing up. And let's be frank, he was probably put on the Supreme Court partly for affirmative action reasons, you know, by President H.W. bush. But he became an amazing Supreme Court justice. He's absolutely worthy of the seat. He's been an incredible jurist.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Yeah.
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Blake
And we can look to that as an example. So become worthy of things, but don't. And don't. Don't use it as a crutch. Don't be reliant on that sort of thing. If you're on the other side of things. If you are denied a job because of DEI stuff, the good news is, for ages in America, it was sort of treated as. We'd have these laws that say you can't discriminate based on race and hiring. And there's an implied, unless you're white or a white man, then they can flagrantly do it. And what this administration that we have has done is they've encouraged and opened the door and made it clear you can sue over these things. Right now, the New York Times is getting sued by a white male editor who's been there for ages, has never gotten promoted. And he says, I was not promoted because they were just endlessly promoting less qualified people to hit diversity quotas. And what's great about this is these lawsuits now that they're uncorked, they're going to be fish in a barrel. Because these companies routinely, they just have emails and text messages and communications that are like, yeah, no more white dudes, no more white guys. If you had that for any other race, you're absolutely vaporized. And you should get vaporized in the same way for doing it to white people. So if you've suffered that, consider looking for lawyers. You have a case.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Well, and so it sounds like you maybe are benefiting in this instance from this. Just to add on to what Blake was saying, become qualified. We had this great interview with Tucker and Charlie years ago. This clip went viral. And Tucker, it was a great line. He said, take a job you're not qualified for. Live boldly. So really dig into this. And Charlie used to talk about this all the time, that one of the victims of DEI are the people that get the jobs that then have to think about, was I actually qualified for this? Was I the best at it? And then you have this insecurity, this sense of inadequacy that hangs over your head. Do not fall victim to that. And when we're talking about getting rid of dei, we're talking about, in broad strokes, macro. As a culture, this is bad for our cultures, bad for our economy. But on the micro, if you find yourself in a position where you've benefited from that and you believe the right things and you have the right values and you're trying to do the best by your employer, then by God, take advantage of it. Make the most out of that instance. And so you never have to wake up another day in your life thinking, did I get this because of some racist system? You make the most of it. That is on you. The responsibility is on your shoulders. And so we pray for you that you will go boldly forward and you will take advantage of this opportunity. But on the macro, it's terrible for the society and we want it to end. Fair enough.
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Colin Plume
Also, I would say don't. I wouldn't. Don't live in the past. I mean, you're in the position right now. And the reason I'd say don't live in the past. It's not going to do you any good. The other thing to think about is that I know a lot of business owners that. That inherited a business, right? They're just nepotism is it is what you make it right and they jump into it and they figure it out and they don't feel guilty about it. I think you have a lot of awareness that maybe you didn't get a job that you should have and having awareness of who you are and learning about yourself is actually someone that's going to be very successful. Everyone that I know successful is a person like you.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I throw in the caveat.
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Blake
I did throw in the caveat about possibly mainly because we do have jobs where people, they're hired as like nurses or doctors and they're totally unqualified.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Electrical work. Don't get yourself electrical.
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Blake
Nothing that will get someone killed or yourself killed.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
I want to get to the last question here. Elizabeth. Elizabeth, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself. Yes, can you hear me?
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Colin Plume
Yeah, go for it.
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Caller Gracie
Okay, so quick question. I'm selling my house this year and we're going to get a house built somewhere else. And so I was thinking about putting half of that money into silver because I had made a lot of money in silver this year. But this is also a situation where, like, we can't afford to lose the money and I need it in a year. What do you think?
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Colin Plume
Well, you're planning to build a house. So I mean, obviously if you're planning to build a house, there's, there's other assets there too, I'm assuming. I don't, I don't know your financial situation, but, you know, houses.
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Caller Gracie
This is basically, we're selling the house and getting a new house built somewhere else in a different state. We're just moving. So this is, this is my major asset.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, I mean, listen, nobody has a crystal ball of what's going to happen in the future. I mean, I would love to tell you I knew it was going to happen in the next, you know, three to five years. But ultimately silver is a phenomenal investment. China and the US Made silver, a strategic metal last year. So they basically said we need to hoard silver, we need to keep silver. They've had five years of shortages of silver. So obviously I love it and I believe in it.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
You wrote a whole book on silver.
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Colin Plume
I wrote a book on it. And then the other thing to keep in mind with the wars that are
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Caller Gracie
happening, I made a lot of money in silver this year.
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Colin Plume
You made a lot of money in silver this year. So you obviously know what it can do. So. Yeah, I mean, I, I always say, you know it sometimes knowing something. My book is called Silver's a New Oil. You could read it and get more information. But I, I do think we're going to see a lot of inflation coming in. I think that's why we're seeing the 10 year go up pretty, pretty high. You know, it's high fours right now. The long term is that we're going to see more and more inflation. And typically gold and silver react very well. And if we do quantitative easing or any money printing, which I, I do think is going to happen, and if you look at the last time we did quantitative easing in 2009-2011, you can look at the charts and see what gold and silver did.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
So one question, though. She said, so she's going to sell her house. Let's say she has $500,000 and she's talking about putting half of that in silver. Do you feel like that's too much? What percentage of a portfolio would you,
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Colin Plume
I think that ultimately what it comes down to is I'm not a financial or, and I don't know what other investments you have, so I, I, I'm not going to say a specific number.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Okay, fine.
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Colin Plume
I, I think it's really important to give us a call. We can, you know, talk to you. We can learn more about you. I, I think you should, you pray on it. Talk to your husband or whoever's, you know, around you and let's take some time getting to know each other. Talk to somebody at Noble Gold. Let's build a relationship and then wherever it may, maybe you dip your toe in the water with us or you do more later, but ultimately I think it's, it's a personal decision.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
But you're bullish on silver.
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Colin Plume
Yeah, of course, of course I'm bullish on silver. I like it. And I think, you know, if you have some liquid cash, it might be a good place for you.
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Host (possibly Charlie Kirk or co-host)
Noblegold investments.com. kirk, if you want to work with Colin, this is great, man. We should do this again. Yeah.
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Colin Plume
I'll be back. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.