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Charlie Kirk
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Jay Beecher
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All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Hour two is now underway, and as promised, we are going to dive headlong into everything Epstein. And we told you yesterday we wanted to do it right. And I had been hearing this gentleman's name mentioned in multiple different places as the guy that's been working on this for years and has interviewed all of the main players. Maybe not all, but darn near all, including Jeffrey Epstein's brother and many of the alleged victims and so on and so forth. And so without further ado, we're gonna welcome him onto the show. His name's Jay Beecher. He's an investigative journalist. He's British, so he also has an accent. You can find him@substack.substack.com.
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Charlie Kirk
There's a lot to talk about. So welcome to the show, Jay. Honored to have you.
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Jay Beecher
Thanks for having me.
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Charlie Kirk
From the mother island there in the uk. So just by way of introduction for our audience that doesn't know who you are and what you've been up to, how long have you been working on investigating the Jeffrey Epstein saga and maybe just some of the people that you've interviewed along the way?
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, sure. So I got into the story by reading just a generic article about one of the allegations made by Virginia Giuffre, one of the most vocal Epstein accusers. And I was just gonna write a basic article and, you know, sort of copying what she said. And then I started to find some contradictions in there, and it led me down a rabbit hole. And six years this is six years ago. So for the past six years I've been traveling the world really interviewing Jeffrey Epstein's brother, some of the Maxwell family, but also Professor Alan Dershowitz, Virginia Giuffre's inner circle, and the accused and the accusers. So at the moment, the media just go one side and have only really. They'll interview the accusers, they'll print the allegations verbatim. There's very minimal fact checking involved. They're just looking for sensational headlines. So I wanted to get both sides of the story so that people can make up their own minds and see the full facts.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, so, you know, we talked. I did a little bit of a pre interview call with you just because I wanted to understand where you were coming from on all of this. Your substack goes into great detail. I encourage people to check it out there. What brings us to this point now there was a transparency act passed. President Trump signed it despite some of his misgivings, which I feel a lot.
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Blake
Of his misgivings have played panned out because what he said when he was opposing it, he said there's going to be a lot of stuff in this that's going to hurt innocent people. Hurt innocent people kind of lead to a lot of wild allegations and certainly embarrassing true stuff for a lot of people. We've seen that about Bill Gates, we've seen that about Larry Summers, Elon Musk, for example. Certainly some people have had real things embarrass them. But it also, at least you can correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, but I don't feel that it's blown open what some people were saying would be revealed, like a massive blackmail ring or the like.
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Charlie Kirk
And let me put a pin on that, because at fine point you said something, you said, we don't need to sensationalize the lies because the truth is sensational enough. And I think that's a really good guiding principle for this whole conversation again, the whole hour about it. So explain how we got here and what some of the new evidence is. And then I want to go through name by name, allegation by allegation, litigation.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, sure. So, you know, it stems back to a man being arrested for having sex. Well, he didn't actually have sex, but having a sexual encounter with underage girls. So this took place because originally Jeffrey Epstein was a typical sort of Hugh Hefner type. He liked to be surrounded by attractive women and he was a creep. Let's not. There's no whitewashing of Jeffrey Epstein. He was an absolute creep and a pervert. But he did surround himself with girls between the ages of 18 and around about 25, some of them a bit older, so nothing illegal there. It wasn't until Virginia Giuffre came onto the scene. And Jeffrey at this time was well known for telling the girls, if you bring me more girls, I will give you extra money. It's sort of like a finder's fee. So we use this term recruitment, and it's quite sinister. It was more of sort of introductions. Sleazy as hell, obviously. But Virginia took it upon herself to. Whereas Jeffrey Epson didn't actually ask to get underage girls, Virginia went into her local community and got vulnerable schoolgirls who were around about 14, some of them were 16, 17, et cetera. And all of this is documented in the police reports. Virginia got them to lie about their ages. Another girl called Haley Robson, who was recruited by Virginia, got these girls to lie about their ages. So she would put them in makeup, she would put them in clothes that made them look more adult, and then she would drive them to Jeffrey Epstein. And once in the house, Jeffrey is actually documented as asking, are you over 18? And the girls admitted to the police that they had lied and said that they were over 18. So, long story short, one of them spilled the beans. Jeffrey Epstein was arrested because he had committed a felony, even though he didn't know their age, you know, and he took a lie detector test. The lie detector test proved that he was telling the truth, that he didn't know that they were under 18. But either way, he committed a crime. He went to prison. The story would have died there if it were not for the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was friends and associated with some of the most famous and richest people in the world, some of the most influential people, from presidents to prime ministers, Hollywood stars, directors, all sorts of people. And so the media wanted to latch onto this. Then at this, halfway through the time, that the story actually did go quite quiet. Then you had the QAnon, you had Pizzagate shortly before that, talking about elite trafficking networks at play. Then you had the MeToo movement come up right in the middle of all of this. And so people were focused on Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Again. You had the original victims, and they are victims because they were underage, you know, these school girls, although they lied about their ages, they still were vulnerable young schoolgirls. They started filing some lawsuits. There was about six different girls, maybe a few more. And then the lawyers thought, this is a great way to make some money. And then all these salacious stories came out. So you had Alan Dershowitz accused, falsely accused by Virginia Giuffre, and this is the lawyer of Donald Trump. You had Donald Trump falsely accused by a woman. And it turned out to have been orchestrated. It was a hoax that was orchestrated, actually, by a producer of the Jerry Springer Show. But then Virginia had fed into this narrative, this Pizzagate conspiracy of a global trafficking network. She accused, said that she'd slept with foreign presidents and then later admitted that she'd never met any in her life. But that. That wasn't picked up by the media intentionally because that destroyed the narrative. And so it's dragged on and on and on, and then it became heavily politicized because it's. It's become a great smear campaign. Anybody who was ever, you know, snapped with in a photograph of Jeffrey Epstein, anyone who had a cup of tea or a coffee with him or some of his friends who had business dealings with him, they were suddenly targeted via guilt by association. And then there was a big buildup. How can we turn this against Donald Trump?
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Charlie Kirk
Exactly. Yeah. Well, and that's.
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Jay Beecher
I've been critical of him either.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. Of course. I don't consider you to be some fan of President Trump. It's interesting because I do think that you mentioned The Pizzagate, the MeToo, QAnon, all of that stuff, and the confluence of those stories mixed with President Trump coming into power. And everybody understood that President Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein and associated with him. So we really have to sort of start there with the President Trump allegations, because that was long. The assumption is that we were gonna find that President Trump had done some untoward things with underage women, you know, yes or no, and then expound on it. Did President. Has President Trump been. Is there anything in there that would be criminal, that would be salacious, even embarrassing?
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Jay Beecher
Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. And I think it's very telling. So the reason, only reason, I agree with Donald Trump on certain policies. I disagree with him on others. I think that's healthy with politicians. I'm not one of these, you know, believe them in everything. But I have not found a single piece of evidence to suggest that Donald Trump has done anything wrong at all. He was bound to have been in the. He was in the same social circles as Jeffrey Epstein. We know that he had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein at one time, and then he ended that relationship. And what's very telling is that from the very beginning, none of these vocal accusers and some of the genuine victims, absolutely none of them have accused him.
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Charlie Kirk
Of.
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Jay Beecher
Of doing anything wrong. In fact, Virginia Giuffre herself said that he was a gentleman, you know, that he didn't do anything bad whatsoever.
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Blake
Jay, I will let you continue here in a sec, but it's very funny to me that I feel like that's a pattern we've had for over a decade at this point. Like, when you think of how scrutinized Donald Trump's entire existence has been. Every business relationship he's ever had, every political engagement he ever had, and now this. It kind of is remarkable how clean he ends up coming out of everything. They couldn't get anything on his business other than, oh, he, like, he lied to get a loan that no one complained about other than the state of New York. I don't know. I'm digressing here, but, yeah, it's funny here. Even on this, you know, he could have had something like Bill Gates, where it's not necessarily criminal, but it's, like, highly embarrassing. And they don't even have that, it seems. And you're, I believe you're, as you said, a man who's criticized the President a lot.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah. So with regards to Ukraine, I criticize him heavily, and I have criticized him quite heavily in the past. I've supported him in the past in certain things. I do it with all politicians. I'm not really a, you know, sort of a. I pick a team and stick with it no matter what. But on this 1 million percent his, they are just weaponizing it to try and attack it. And I think they're devastated that they found no ammunition against him and it sort of backfired. I really do.
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Charlie Kirk
So, Jay, I. I asked you a very pointed question, and I said besides, when we were talking before, I said, besides Jeffrey Epstein, because I do believe Jeffrey Epstein is a creep. He's a sleaze. He was a crook and a fraudster, actually, and we can get into that. But who. Who are the villains of this story? Because that is what's driving a lot of this. They want to see the list. They want to see who is sleeping with underage girls. And you gave me a very surprising answer. What was that?
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Jay Beecher
If people want to. So I do not victim shame or anything like that, because what I'm trying to do is expose the genuine victims in all of this. And there are genuine victims, and those victims are the people who were recruited by adults. They were adults at the time, Virginia Giuffre, Haley Robson and a couple of others. And yet that's the backwardsness in all of this. They have been projected as the heroes of the story, when in fact they were the villains. And they have admitted that they went out of their way to target, groom and recruit underage girls, school girls, get them to lie about their ages and take them to a rich guy who they knew would then abuse them. And yet the media, because that does not fit the narrative, they refuse to cover that. They have just canonized these people and anybody who criticizes them is called a victim. Shamer. I've interviewed Virginia Giuffre's ex partner and he's openly admitted that whilst he was over 18, he was hunting down schoolgirls to sell to Jeffrey Epstein.
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All right. More with Jay Beecher. Jay, I asked you who the villain was and you said that there are real victims. These underage girls that were recruited, they were dressed up in fancy clothes and makeup and they were told to lie about their age. Apparently. It sounds like Jeffrey Epstein asked if they were over 18. I'm not saying what Jeffrey Epstein was doing is okay, by the way. That's, that's gross, that, I just don't think that's even up for debate. Like, I don't. Jeffrey Epstein's a creep, a crook, a fraudster. And what if I want to get into this?
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Blake
It's only been up for debate.
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Charlie Kirk
That's never been up for debate. But how did this happen and who else was involved is really the central question. And you're telling me that Virginia Guthrie, I believe I'm saying her name right, is implicated, the police know it, that she was the one that was going out grooming these, these young women and she had an accomplice. I forget the name. And then that begs the question, what was Ghislaine Maxwell doing? Was she aware that these underage women were getting recruited?
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Jay Beecher
Well, that's the travesty in all of this is that the media just refused to report the truth because it doesn't fit the narrative. And it was Virginia Giuffre and a girl called Hayley Robson who Virginia had introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, who were going out of their way to find schoolgirls to make money. It was all financially motivated. They knew what they were doing. I, I, I have interviewed the mother of one of Virginia's victims. So Carolyn Anduano, sadly, was groomed by Virginia, given drugs, put on this life of prostitution and eventually she was found dead in a hotel room, allegedly of a drug overdose. And so she destroyed Virginia, destroyed a lot of lives. But at the time, the MeToo mantra was believe all women. And the media were very adamant that they didn't want to deviate from that whatsoever. So they. Virginia's story was newsworthy, it was brilliant for journalists because here she is saying that she'd slept with foreign presidents, that she'd slept with a prince of England and just making all of these wild, headline grabbing, sensational claims that they didn't want to fact check it, they didn't want to fact check any of it. So if you, if you want to look at the villains in this story, it is Virginia, it's Haley Robson and a couple of others. So if I, and Virginia's ex partner, who I interviewed, and he quite casually just talks about how he went out of his way to find schoolgirls and, and girls to recruit because he thought, well, that's an extra $200 and there's no shame there. The police know about it. He's admitted it on record to me and also in his affidavits, you know, his depositions, and yet he's never been prosecuted. Virginia has been been acknowledged with foolproof and has admitted that she recruited schoolgirls whilst she herself was an adult. But they refused to prosecute her. The police wanted to prosecute Haley Robson, but then it went higher up and they decided to drop it and only go after Epstein. Now, Epstein did take a lie detector test. The police were quite annoyed because the result came back that he was telling the truth, that he didn't know that they were underage. Fast forward 10 years or so and suddenly you've got all these lawsuits coming in. You've got journalists who want to write stories because it's making them a lot of money and you've got lawyers who want these articles and headlines out there because it's making them a lot of money. They've made over a hundred million so far. Just the lawyers alone. Because what they were doing, the lawyers, and this is well documented, they would get an accusation, they would approach the person who was accused and then they would try to say, if you don't want this going into the press, don't want to be smeared, pay up. And that's well documented. There have even, there are emails in the Epstein files of the lawyers discussing this and they've even talked about how they can first represent the accusers and then represent the accused and make sure that they keep these stories out of the headlines. I've listened to a secret recording taken by Alan Dershowitz where David Boies, who represented Virginia, admitted to him that he knew that Virginia was wrong. In his words, wrong, completely wrong to accuse him. But he said, if you pay up, find some, in his words, Jewish lawyers, some rabbis. Those were his words. Pay it, pay up and this will go away. Now, that's blackmail. It's extortion. And they would use the press, weaponize the press. With Prince Andrew, that catapulted the story back into the headline news across the world. Because here you had.
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Blake
I want to come in there, you just mentioned David Boies. That's not going to be a name most people are familiar with, but that.
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Blake
He's been involved, among other things, he represented Theranos, which was that blood analysis company that was a huge scam. He's represented Harvey Weinstein. So he's certainly not deeply motivated, I would say, by, you know, protecting victims necessarily. He can play both sides of that. He represented Al Gore in Bush v. Gore. Like, this is a celebrity guy who's certainly been involved in hyper high profile, and frankly, he's worked for some sinister actors, as we know, with Theranos.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Blake
And so it would be entirely believable for him to be a sinister actor in this case as well.
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Jay Beecher
And in the Ferrinos case, he was found, him and his team to have intimidated the whistleblowers. He. In this instance, what his MO seems to have been is to say, let's take the Prince Andrew case, the allegations, as an example. He knows that they're not true. Virginia had originally claimed that she didn't sleep with Prince Andrew at all. Then she claimed that she had sex with Prince Andrew in New Mexico. She wrote three pages going into Laura details saying they went horseback riding together, had sex in the bathroom with champagne. Then, under oath, she admitted she had never happened. She'd never been to New Mexico. Prince Andrew. Then she changed it to that she'd had an orgy with Prince Andrew on the island. But then it was shown to her that she'd already written about this orgy, and it was actually, she claimed, with Jean Luc Brunel, not with Prince Andrew. But they knew this, the lawyers, and yet they don't want to drop that. The journalists want to keep it going because they're making money from producing clickbait and the lawyers want to get money from it. Now, Prince Andrew, when it comes to him as well, what David Boyes would do is, and he said this during an interview with Piers Morgan if he doesn't settle out of court, if he doesn't pay up, I will depose Meghan Markle, I'll depose his daughters, I'll depose all of his family. Knowing that that can't happen because the royal family wouldn't allow it to happen. The judge at the same time refused to allow him to submit certain evidence from proving that Virginia had made false allegations against him. And the lawyers have been working with politicians even now to get all of this together.
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Charlie Kirk
Jay, we've got so much to get to here. I want to make sure we're moving quickly. So I have thousand questions for you did. And we've got this. We've got boys with Guthrie here, a picture that we could throw up here just to kind of add a visual element to this so everybody can see this. Do you believe that Virginia committed suicide? I know her dad has said that he doesn't think that that was the case.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, you just never know what to believe anymore with this, if I'm honest. So you've got. She. I think she likely did. The reason that I believe that is because her web of lies was so. She'd stacked a lie upon a lie upon a lie. And I think it was slowly beginning to collapse because she was about to be deposed for the very first time. She was going to have her very first court appearance because she was being sued by Rena Rowe, who I've. I've interviewed quite a lot. And because she. She'd made a false statement against Rena. And so whereas she, if you look into her past history, she's always settled out of court. So with Alan Dershowitz, she settled out of court, not financially, but she admitted that she was mistaken in accusing him. Now, she wasn't mistaken. She. She lied. But with Rena, she was trying and trying to prevent herself from being dragged into court. And the judge two weeks before she committed suicide had ruled that, no, whatever happens, you must come into court and. And testify. Now, under, while she's in the courtroom, the defense lawyers, Serena Rose, lawyers, sorry, would have grilled her. And I know this for a fact because I helped them with certain information they were using. There's a photograph of Rena Road leaving the courtroom with a 200 page report that I did, just compiling all of Virginia's lies with the evidence. And so what they were preparing to do was to use that as an opportunity to finally, under oath, force Virginia to admit the truth. And she would have been shown all of this evidence and she would have been confronted with it. And now it would have been covered by the newspapers. You also, at the same time had her marriage breakdown, her kids were taken away from her, which is very rare. You know, you don't often see children being taken away from the mother and the mother losing custody. So her life was sort of caving in.
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Blake
Yeah, it does seem. That's a, I think a strong narrative, but so bigger picture, I think an issue I want us to talk about. When people do push the idea that there's not as much here as people thought, it's kind of a more mundane guy who had relations with underage girls, got caught and then he also knew a lot of people. But there's not a bigger conspiracy or bigger behind the scenes thing. One thing people fixate on a lot is just Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. Even the vice president the other day was saying it should be investigated how he became so wealthy, because that seems very mysterious to people and that it must have some sort of dark explanation. Do you have an explanation for that that would be satisfactory? How did Jeffrey Epstein become this super rich and connected person like that?
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, because I had the exact same thoughts. How the hell did a mathematician, like just a low level maths teacher without any degree, become so wealthy? It was actually through fraud. A lot of it was through fraud. He was arrested in the, I think it was the late 80s, early, very early 90s. He was involved in a. He'd left Bear Stearns, so whilst he was a teacher, he'd been poached by one of his students father who, who was high up in Bear Stearns and saw that he was very good with numbers, got him on board, he made quite a lot of money there. But then he went and left and made his own company with a partner. And now the both of them were arrested because they said it was a pyramid scheme and they were engaged in fraudulent transactions. And Jeffrey Epson made a hell of a lot of money, millions from that. His partner was sent to prison and Jeffrey Epstein, for whatever reason, managed to get out of it. They didn't have enough evidence. Now his partner squealed like a pig and said, Jeffrey was just as guilty as I am. You know, he was just as, as guilty as this, but he got away with it. Then he got as a client for his next company, Leslie Wexner. And Leslie gave him the keys to the kingdom because he was helping people to avoid paying taxes. And he did that by setting up offshore offshore companies and shell companies in the U.S. virgin Islands. And so Leslie Wexner saw, wow, this guy's good. He's running my companies. Well, he's saving me a hell of a lot of money. I'm going to sign him power of attorney. And he did that. But then later on, it turned out that Epstein had stolen tens of millions of dollars from Leslie Wexner. Enough. Actually, just about 25%. A quarter of the money that he stole from Wexner was enough for him to buy his island. And with, with more money that he'd stolen, he bought his place in France, his ranch, and he'd already got the house in New York from Leslie Wexner. And then also Leslie Wexner gave him sort of this era aura of credibility. You know, he's representing Wexner. He could do me. So.
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So you're basically laying out a case, Jay, that he was good at one thing financially and that was shielding people from tax liabilities. He was a tax evader, essentially.
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Blake
I'd say two things. A tax evader and also kind of a confidence game, man. Like he just, he wormed his way in with Wexner and maybe did valid work for the first couple years. And then after that, it just seems he was soaking him. You mentioned he got that place from him. He basically got it for what, a dollar? He took a free 20 million dollar home in New York off of him.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, exactly. You know, he was rewarded. He was seen as this great genius, sort of some asset. I think he exaggerated Himself, to some extent. He'd lied on his CV to get to Bear Stearns. But regardless, he knew how to get rich people to pay less taxes. And that was making those shell companies in the U.S. virgin Islands his. His island people think that he purchased this to. To have secrecy and to, you know, run some sort of strange operation. Well, no, it was originally just for the fact that if you're in the U.S. virgin Islands, you get certain tax exemptions. You. You'll. You pay so much less tax than you would in the US So he set up all of these companies, and then he was approached by Nam Chomsky, by Woody Allen. He helped Woody Allen, he helped Leon Black. He had all of these different people who he would help pay less taxes by. They would filter their money into the US Virgin Islands, into his shell companies, and then obviously, they avoided paying millions and millions of tax. So they're going to like him. Then he built up all of these connections through. Through that and through political donations. His political donations were not really because he believed in the politics that he was supporting. It was because he coveted, you know, famous names and famous faces, because that gave him more credibility, that gave him more access, and having that access and that ring of circles attracts more people to him.
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Charlie Kirk
Jay, I gotta. So let me just challenge the premise here, though. I mean, is there any indication that he was a Mossad agent, that he was working with CIA? Because you say he didn't get arrested, but his partner did. Okay. Was somebody protecting him? Then he's connected with Ehud Barak. Later on, you sort of start wondering, why is this Charmed man so charmed? And does he have a handler? Does he have people that are greasing.
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Blake
Someone looking out for him? That's how he gets out of things.
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Jay Beecher
Things.
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Charlie Kirk
You know, Leslie Wexner is a. Obviously a Jewish American. Was there a connection there that he was, you know, was he blackmailed? Did he blackmail Wexner? What. What is. Is there any indication? Because this. Some. Sometimes it feels a little too convenient.
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Jay Beecher
I know what you mean. No, I know what you mean. It's sort of like this is the luckiest guy in the world, right? You know, gone from being a humble maths teacher. But there is no evidence that he was involved with Mossad, that he was in Intelligence. His former girlfriend used to joke that, you know, his son, he's so quiet and mysterious that he must be in the CIA. And then it sort of snowballed from there. But he did help. When. So he doesn't need to be a member of an agent to influence world politics and influence, you know, some of the most influential people in the world. Because we can see that in his email exchanges, he's being contacted by some of the most powerful leaders asking him for advice. But that tends to be more, if you read between the lines of the emails, it's more the fact of his connections. And they're always asking him, can you connect me with this person? So one of them, I think it was the Sultan of wherever, asked him, how do I talk to Donald Trump? That's because he was associated with Donald Trump. Another one asks them for an introduction with Clinton, and they are talking about, in what we would deem intelligence, he was definitely the Russia angle needs more explanation and more investigation. And you will start to see that over the coming weeks, you know, is in any involvement with Russia. But I, I have not found any genuine evidence to prove that he was a member of Mossad. And when Jeffrey Epstein was asked. So he was asked when. Let's, let's think we talk about him escaping from sort of dodging one conviction early on for fraud. But he didn't con. He didn't escape two major convictions. So the first one being, obviously when he was arrested in, I think it was 2007 and for sleeping with an underage girl. And he was asked during that time by Professor Dershowitz, do you know, are you a member of any intelligence thing? Do you have anyone who can shut this thing down? And he didn't. He said, I don't. I'm not like, you know, I don't have any of those connections. And they would have exploited that. They would have shut that down. And then years later, again, no one came to his defense. No one came to help him. If he had all of this information to blackmail people, he wasn't able to pull any strings.
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Charlie Kirk
But Jay, and just again, to keep pressing the point, so you spoke with Jeffrey Epperstein's brother. You've interviewed him. He does not believe Jeffrey committed suicide. I guess the question would be, what do you believe after speaking with Jeffrey Epstein's brother? And if he didn't commit suicide, then it's apparent that there would be forces that wanted him dead.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah. So when this is coming out, there are a hell of a lot of people who are associated with him. Now, some of these, I, I've, though I say some of these powerful people, you know, have done nothing wrong. They are still likely, some of them may have slept with some of the women, because you've got to remember that 99 of the women that Jeffrey Epstein had, were over legal age. Some of them are registered escorts. They're fully documented as being escorts at the time. We don't know if he, if, if some of them had slept with them, we just don't know. There's no, no way of, of telling. But with regards to his death, going back to his death, I believe that there are some. It still needs a proper investigation and that is for my next book. I have been investigating the death and enough a few things that I can't go into right now to be honest. But there are too many unanswered questions, too many coincidences from that night, his final night. We forget that there was an original incident where Jeffrey Epstein was found. There was a commotion in his cell. Suddenly he wakes, suddenly they burst open the door, they find his cell mate. So they, they, the cellmate who they put him in with, Nick claims he's innocent, etc, I'm not going to touch on that right now. But why did they put him in with somebody who is supposed to have committed multiple murders and yet they chose him as a safe and non aggressive. That's the term they used. This is a non aggressive, safe cell mate. And on this incident, the guards, the, the prison officers burst into the cell. Jeffrey's snoring, the noose has been taken off of him and he's gone unconscious. The first thing he says when he wakes up is Nick tried to kill me. His cellmate tried to kill him. Excuse me. Now he, he went back on that later on and said, oh, I'm confused. But they, you know, they, they think he might have been frightened into, into talking about that, but he had mentioned that before that people were going to harm him. So then you've got the CCTV cameras not working at the same time, you've got the, the prison guards falling asleep on the watch. Conveniently you've got one who allegedly claims that a prisoner, potentially Epstein was shipped out shortly before. Now that needs exploring properly before it's completely debunked or proven. You never know. But Jeffrey Epstein is a man who had the means to organize an escape if he wanted to. But I don't believe that happened. I believe that he died. We just don't know if it was suicide or not. There are multiple reasons why we shouldn't close the book as case solved on the death of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I mean if people wanted him dead, I mean, maybe it was just they were embarrassed. Maybe they did sleep with some of these underage girls that were recruited by Virginia. And I believe you said Haley, if I'm not wrong.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah. Haley Robeson.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So, okay, question. So there's a lot of names that were mentioned.
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Blake
Sorry, we might have the same question, which is just there has been millions of documents that have come out. There is new stuff coming out. Whatever it is, have we learned anything from it? And is there anyone who actually might be criminally implicated, even if it's just on the level of what Epstein himself was.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah. No. You've got sort of things that you could highlight as fraud, potentially fraudulent, that have been raised from the documents. But I think the people who. So let's look at why these were released. And again, it goes for political and financial. It's political and financially motivated. You had the lawyers who need this to be released because they have. They still have ongoing lawsuits. They've got them against institutions like banks. The last one paid out over $100 million. And they get up to 40% of the lawyers. So it's good for them to keep this story alive and to keep these bankers and targets trembling. And then, of course, you have the House Democrats, and I'm sorry, but they do not give a damn about justice or victims or they only care about going after Donald Trump. And yet nothing has been found in them. That's why they've been pushing for it. The lawyers, if you look into it, the David Boys, etc, have admitted that they've been working with. With the House Democrats pro bono, and they've been helping orchestrate this entire smear campaign. And yet what has been revealed is really disappointing for them because there isn't anything. There are. Don't get me wrong, there are some fascinating things in there, some really interesting scandals and things that arise and connections that we didn't know about, but none of them are illegal. What you're seeing is guilt by association. They're looking for photographs of, and it's the way that they portray them. So they get the media to put out the headline, a victim of Jeffrey Epstein was in the presence of Donald Trump. But then they admit intentionally, they redact the name of the victim, and yet we know the victim was Virginia Giuffre, and that Virginia Giuffre had said, well, no, I met Donald Trump. He was a gentleman. He did nothing wrong. So they're weaponizing the Epstein files. They want to use it to keep the story alive, to confuse the hell out of the public and to make money. And that is what most of this is about, making money. And from the politician side, it's about using this to keep the heat and the pressure on Donald Trump and yet they are really disappointed because they've not been able to find anything explosive and they've definitely not been able to find anything damaging against the president whatsoever.
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Charlie Kirk
So I want to go through rapid fire, name by name that have been implicated in this recent drop. And so we've got to keep our answers tight here because we're running low on time here and there's so much to go through. But just touch on the pizzagate thing. They mentioned pizza. They mentioned. So, so obviously this makes us think back all the steak mentions a lot of people. Is there anything there that you can see?
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Jay Beecher
People like pizza, people, People like pizza, people like steak. We've got. I worked in politics before. Where do you go for a campaign meeting? You go to a pizza house, you all meet. It's the go to thing. The problem is when you take thousands, tens and tens of thousands of emails and only pick out the emails that say pizza. I bet if we looked through your emails or my emails, we would find references to pizza. We might find some to stake. And when they're put out there without any context, then you can spin this whole conspiracy theory and all these.
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Charlie Kirk
So you've looked at the emails in context. You're saying you've looked at them 100%.
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Jay Beecher
And many of these emails, we've got to remember about 90% of what we're, what we're seeing in the Epstein file so far is already out there. So I have seen them, I've seen the context. There is nothing sinister.
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Blake
I just checked 94 emails about pizza in my Gmail.
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Charlie Kirk
I probably, I, I don't think I have any.
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Jay Beecher
I'd keep that quiet. We're gonna end up on a list, Jay.
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Charlie Kirk
We see references to goyim. Goy. Is there any indication, I mean, obviously you think Mossad, you think Israeli connections, Ehud Baragi, any of that stuff. Obviously Jeffrey Epstein's Jewish.
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Blake
That's not what I think.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, is there anything there? Because that's a term that would be offensive. That was.
- [42:16]
Jay Beecher
He.
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Charlie Kirk
Did he sort of see himself as a us versus them, you know, anything there?
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Jay Beecher
Well, if you go back to the context and read it in there, he's actually joking when he mentions that goyim. I can't remember who it is now. Who asks him a question, are there Jewish people there? No. She says something like, oh, that'll be a predominantly Jewish event. You know, it's like a dinner party or something. And he said, no, there'll be a lot of goy in There, but it's tongue in cheek. When you read his emails, and particularly the emails that he's had in exchange with this person before, they joke and banter a lot. So it is just a tongue in cheek comment. You know, it's not. There's nothing, you know, sort of like they're the master race or, you know, there's no, there's nothing like that in there at all. Once again, it comes down to context and reading. When you learn, spend years reading how Jeffrey Epstein talks. He did actually joke quite a lot. He did make a lot of sort of tongue in cheek.
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Charlie Kirk
Did he make any references of killing people or offing people? I've seen rumors of that, yeah.
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Jay Beecher
So. So, you know, there were some. There's a couple of emails where he jokes about killing people and they're clearly evidence as jokes. But then there's some accused. There's an accuser who accused him in the documents of killing certain victims. And yet this accuser, because her name's redacted, the public don't know. I've already looked into her and she was debunked many, many years ago as a complete fantasist. She was found to have had a history of serious mental health problems and of making false accusations. And those investigate. Those claims were investigated and found not to be credible. So it's not like, you know, this is anything new.
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Charlie Kirk
Rapid fire here. Peter Thiel. What did we learn?
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Jay Beecher
Not much about Peter Thiel. There's not much. I focus less on Peter Thiel at the moment. Focus. I've been focusing more on Prince Andrew and on Peter Mandelson and people, people like that. And of course, Elon Musk.
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Charlie Kirk
Elon Musk. What did we learn?
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Jay Beecher
Elon Musk. So I had known when I very first saw Elon put out, you know, this claim that he'd photobombed Ghislaine Maxwell. Had photobombed him. I knew that to be a lie anyway, because I'd already interviewed some of Ghislaine Maxwell siblings and this. He was close friends with Glenn Maxwell. But they wanted to distance themselves. You know, Elon Musk and other people wanted to say no idea. I wasn't very close with them at all. But there isn't anything damning against Elon Musk. Again, it's guilt by association. Of course he knew Ghislaine Maxwell. He knew Jeff, you know, he knew Jeffrey Epstein. He was invited to the island but didn't go to the island. So there's absolutely nothing in the Epstein files that is critical about Elon Musk.
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Charlie Kirk
So he basically just wanted to go to a party. And by the way, Elon Musk has been public. He wants to see Jeffrey Epstein, the accusers and the actual victims, these underage girls, wants to see justice for them. Obviously, Jeffrey Epstein's already dead, so there's only so much you could do. But if anybody else was involved. So Prince Andrew. You mentioned Prince Andrew.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
What did we learn and are learning about Prince Andrew?
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Jay Beecher
So a lot of what you're seeing now that, you know these headlines are saying this new revelation has been found against Prince Andrew in the Epstein files. It's a lie. There are allegations that have been public for many, many years and available people just haven't looked for them. Like I say, going back to it with Prince Andrew, Virginia is the only person who has accused him. He was originally. She originally claimed she didn't have sex with him at all. Then she claimed that she had sex with him in New Mexico. Then she claimed a few other things and admitted that it was a complete lie. So I think that whilst he has made some, you know, made some mistakes in the past and has not helped himself with regards to this, he is innocent. And he was just cheating, though, right?
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Charlie Kirk
I mean, he was going. He was. He was essentially going outside of his marriage. We know that much. Correct.
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Jay Beecher
Well, you've got to remember he was divorced by the. Long, long before he ever supposedly met Virginia Giuffre. He was already divorced. He lives still with his wife, Fergie, but he was here. We have. So the latest revelation that the headlines are going mad about is that a new woman has accused Prince Andrew. She said that when she was about 24, she met Prince Andrew, she slept with Prince Andrew, that this following morning they woke up, had breakfast together and he gave her a tour of Buckingham palace and then she said goodbye and left. Now that's seen as a big scandal. But here we have a single divorcee supposedly sleeping, if it's true, with an adult woman of her own free will. And suddenly you've got the lawyers saying, you know, he must pay up more money to help her get over her trauma. I don't know what trauma. I think he should be invoicing her. You know, I had to pay for a tour of Buckingham Palace.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, fair enough. Bill Gates.
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Jay Beecher
Bill Gates is the, the obviously the damning email about him can supposedly getting an STI now. I don't know if that's true. Nobody knows except from Jeffrey Epstein, who's dead, and Bill Gates, who is alive, but he isn't Going to go on any shows too soon. So it could be true. I, I don't know about Bill Gates, but it's very damaging for his reputation. Not because he was associated with Jeffrey Epstein, but I think that that one claim about him in the email from Jeffrey is going to stick with him and smear him for a long time.
- [47:49]
Charlie Kirk
So there is something you told me about that I actually found surprising and I think it gets lost in all the noise here. My assumption was that Jeffrey Epstein was sleeping with all of these women. This is going to be a little graphic. If you have young kids in the room with you right now, please earmuffs or take them away. Do your best to not be so graphic. But that's not the case, apparently. Can you explain? He had some deformities. Do your best.
- [48:19]
Jay Beecher
So Jeffrey Epstein has admitted this himself. Ghislaine Maxwell has testified to this. And 99% of the victims have all corroborated each other when they say this. And yeah, apologies for being 18 plus here, but he was proven to have erectile dysfunction. He couldn't get up, basically. He was taking medication for that. It wasn't working. He was taking testosterone for that. He was very frustrated man. The victims have all stated that he had a deformity as well, that he wasn't exactly the biggest of chaps, let's just put it that way, and that he would not have sexual intercourse with them. If you read the lawsuits themselves and read the testimonies, you'll see that 99% of the time he did not have sexual like full sex with these people. He was a person who would get. That's why the massage table was there. He would be massaged and whilst the massage was happening, he would use a toy on one of the girls and he would masturbate. That. That's the clean. But that's the cleanest I can put it, Andrew, I'm afraid.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, but, but that's what we do. This is. I think people have it in their mind that it's. Yeah, there were these girls around. People would want to party with Jeffrey Epstein and, you know, they might have done other things, but him particularly. That was a revelation to me because I just was assuming.
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Blake
It's interesting how the same thing has come into play with the Harvey Weinstein case that he also apparently had deformities down there that hinder a lot of the allegations.
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Jay Beecher
Well, we were talking about this earlier. There is a lot of psychology that's been into this and some of the biggest people who have committed sexual assault or prolific in committing sexual assault. A very high portion of them have found to have had erectile dysfunction or some sort of deformity. And it internalizes their sexual frustration and then they lash out on or try and do it other ways or they. They're so sexually charged. And Jeffrey Epstein was the most sex obsessed person I think I've ever read about and looked into. And yeah, yeah, that's not talked about, but it wasn't sex. Um, he was into bdsm. He was into, you know, think. But his main thing was self pleasure because he couldn't get anyone else to bring him to that point of satisfaction.
- [50:37]
Charlie Kirk
That's. I just, I know it's graphic and I apologize to our viewers. I think it's important though to get the truth. And the truth is it's some sort of mix between the lies and the headlines and, and I think it's interesting we kind of end where we started that President Trump was probably proven right in a lot of it. I do not support the messaging necessarily. I think it was counterproductive. But President Trump knew this guy was just a creep that was leeching off a lot of people and a fraudster. And he was a kink. Sexually charged certainly, and has done a lot of bad things. But a lot of people are getting smeared by guilt, by association in this story and I think that's interesting. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi? For some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Yrefi can help. Just go to whyrefi.com that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember, Y. Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. Blake, please, if you have any other final thoughts here. I'm not necessarily convinced he wasn't working as sort of an agent of Israel. I'm still very curious about that. And I have questions about Russia.
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Blake
Sure, sure, we should do that. I guess my cards on the table here, but people who've followed us a long time should know I was always a bit skeptical of this. I talked to Charlie about. Charlie was. Charlie was much more open to a lot of theories on this, on jfk, on a lot of stuff. And it was always my role to kind of say, yeah, I'm the. I'm the Spock of the relationship, I guess, if he's Captain Kirk. And I. So I've always been a little skeptical on this and I guess so I would just say there's been a lot of stuff where people have run ahead with assumptions. And I remember even something that always stood out to me was when it was repeated over and over. Well, they told the U.S. attorney in Miami when he was being prosecuted that Epstein belongs to Intelligence. And it was so revealing to me when I'd heard that over and over and over again. And I kind of just assumed, oh, that must be a stone cold fact. And instead it was a hearsay claim. And one of the things we got from all these documents was we got into what that youth attorney said when he was asked about it in the first Trump administration. He said, no, I actually never said that. So it's not nearly as ironclad that that was true. And I guess I. What I liked with all of this is it let us pause and say, what do we actually know? Stone Cold for a fact versus what is stuff where innuendo has greatly outrun what you can see in heart.
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Charlie Kirk
And I have a question, I have a question related to that, please. But go ahead.
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Jay Beecher
Well, I would say, and honestly, as a journalist, I lost my job for covering this and for putting out this, you know, looking at the other side of the story. But I would say I became very disillusioned with the media. So when we say what is established, I would say start at the beginning with a fresh mind. My book Naked Lies is coming out soon and that contains a lot. But let's just look at how the media are reporting on just very basic things. If you were to Google right now, you will find out that there's a viral claim that Jeffrey Epstein had a baby and that Sarah Ferguson emailed him to congratulate him and the BBC, which is a very trustworthy organization supposedly. If you say so. Yeah, Yeah, I don't believe that, but it's considered, considered to be. And yet I proved that. Actually, Sarah Ferguson wasn't congratulating Epstein at all. That email is to some, one of Jeffrey Epstein's friends and then he forwards it on to Jeffrey Epstein. You know, in other words, look, what Sarah Ferguson said to me, I've located the mother, I've located the father and I've the identity of the child and even the baby scan, that sounds a bit strange. That's how obsessed I get. And yet the BBC have acknowledged that it's not accurate and they haven't corrected it. And so if that's just one thing from just yesterday, We've had nearly 20 years of this case and the media dominating the narrative. And I promise you, there are thousands of examples that I could pull up that show that what, 99% of what you think you know about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal is a lie.
- [55:34]
Charlie Kirk
So I have a question related to. Again, so I still think, I'll just be honest. I'm still sort of convinced that he was either, you know, in cahoots with the CIA or, you know, working, working on behalf. Because I just do think that, you know, Israel, you have, you've got these, you know, Jewish Americans. Jewish, there's French Jews, there's UK Jews that, you know, they feel a kindred spirit with the homeland. I have zero problem with that necessarily.
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Blake
Jay, my idea on that, which I've shared with a few people, and I.
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Blake
I've had the thought, what if Jeffrey Epstein insinuated himself with Ehud Barak and others because he himself believed in sort of the myth of Mossad and he thought maybe this would protect me in some way, like almost get it backwards. He wanted to be associated with it.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah. And we know that Jeffrey Epstein lied about a lot of things. He lied in his cv. He would tell people certain things, say that he was something that he wasn't. So he could very well have been, you know, that we can't prove either way that he will never find out if he was or wasn't a member of Mossad or he was working for intelligence. We can't 100% say he wasn't. But I tend to go with the evidence and there isn't any evidence so far that states or would suggest that he was. We're going by how connected he was, but there are people very, even more connected than he was to Israel and to other organizations. And yet we know that they're not members of Mossad. So we don't know, but it's unlikely.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I think your point was well made earlier, though. It's like why would he have to be connected with Mossad when he could just go over the top of the intel and go straight to sort of influence world events? And he was a very curious person, very gregarious. Interesting, apparently, to be around. But I do have more questions here. So when he gets arrested in 2007, 2008, time frame, he basically gets put on, like, the most Kush house arrest imaginable. Again, that's just one of these clues where I'm like, who's looking out for this?
- [57:39]
Jay Beecher
I'll tell you why that is. I can tell you why that is. So they had. When they first were putting their case together, it was based on this school where they thought, right, we've got him. This is slam dunk. We've got him, that he had a sexual encounter with multiple underage girls. But then what happened was they interviewed the girls and you can read all of their. Their testimonies under oath. They admitted that they'd lied about their ages. The focus shifted originally onto Sarah Kellen, one of his assistants, but she was found to have asked about their ages and said, make sure they're over 18. To Virginia and Hayley Robson. And then the. The focus shifted back onto Epstein. But his lawyers did a very good job. Alan Dershowitz was one of them in pointing out the fact that, well, he's taken a lie detector test. It's proven that there are mitigating factors. He's not innocent. He. He has broken the law. Even if he didn't know he was breaking the law at the time, it's irrelevant.
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Charlie Kirk
He's also soliciting sex. Right? I mean, if you. If you're paying soliciting for sex and these girls were getting cars, college tuition. Yeah, I mean, they were getting that. That's illegal. Right? Okay, so, yeah, yeah, but. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's. Okay. So Alan Dershowitz is a good lawyer, is the explanation, basically. Not that, not that.
- [58:57]
Jay Beecher
And the fact that they were mitigating factors in that, you know, this wasn't just a first. They thought, right, we've got a paedophile here who has targeted young girls. That is very easy to send him into prison for a long time. Then when they realized that, actually, no, he didn't target young girls, he didn't say, you know, I want to find some under 18. When that was established, that's when they were mitigating factors. And the crime, although serious still, it was enough to get him a reduced sentence and to sort of give the. His defense Ammunition to get a lesser charge, was he?
- [59:33]
Charlie Kirk
So Ghislaine Maxwell was his girlfriend at one point and he sort of loved this about himself. He was proud that he maintained relationships with his ex girlfriends. Ghislaine essentially is described as his madam. That. Is that a proper description of her then or.
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Jay Beecher
No, not at all. No, no. See that? I've interviewed most of the so called victims in all the elder. The women who were overage at the time that they met Jeffrey Epstein, went to the island, et cetera, had their cars and apartments paid for. Them are documented as asking to go back to the island. Every single one of them has told me that they didn't see Ghis do anything wrong. And two of them have previously told the press that Ghislaine was part of this massive sex trafficking operation. During her trial they wrote in victim impact statements, Glenn destroyed my life, that she was the madam, she was running all of this. And yet when I've interviewed them after the fact that they've admitted to me, when one of them went crazy when she realized she'd slipped up, that she never once saw Ghislaine Maxwell recruit anyone, groom anyone or abuse anyone. So the police, when Jeffrey Epstein died, not the police, sorry, the authorities, they were hugely humiliated and prosecuters, etc, they had to get nail someone in her place, in his place. They had to find someone else for the tug, for the public to drag onto the pyre and burn as a witch and you know, this massive witch hunt and she, they couldn't go after Virginia or the people who had actually recruited these girls. They couldn't go after Sarah Kellen and some of his assistants who are proven to have arranged and organized the massages because they weren't big names and nobody knew who they were. But here you had Ghislaine Maxwell, a famous name, a socialite, well known practically around the world. And she fit the bill, former, former girlfriend of his. And she was perfect. If you look into the actual timeline, you'll see that Glenn is more or less a blip to some extent in Jeffrey Epstein's life. And she was absent completely through a lot of the period, quite a large chunk of the period when some of these victims say that they were abused by Jeffrey Epstein. She was in other relationships. She broke contact briefly with, with Jeffrey. And the evidence, so part of my, the evidence that I found has been included in her habeas corpus, for instance, that her trial was a complete travesty. And that's a different. You could have a whole show just.
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Charlie Kirk
Talking about, do you believe she was guilty. Do you think she's guilty of some wrongdoing?
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Jay Beecher
I, I originally, honestly and I get slated for this, but I originally went into this believing that everyone was telling the truth and that Glenn Maxwell must have been guilty and must have known. But the evidence that I've unearthed, all the evidence that's already in existence and anyone can examine it, you know, the other stuff and people, if they went and read some of the stuff on my sub stack, they will see that I don't defend her. I just say the evidence shows that she did not commit the crime. She's not guilty.
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Charlie Kirk
Did she, did she have, accusing her, did she have a relationship with President Bill Clinton?
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Jay Beecher
I think she's a very flirty person. I think she's quite, you know, her family, if they were listening, wouldn't like me saying this, but I think she was quite sexually active and flirtatious. But there's no evidence to say that she had a sexual relationship with, with Bill Clinton.
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Charlie Kirk
She referenced his, you know, private areas.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, yeah, but she, she, she talked about that, she mentioned that about many other people. I think in some of the emails she said you're well hung, you're hung like a bear. And, and, and things like this, sort of like jokey things. We know that she was associated with Clint Clinton, that she had a friendship with Clinton, she went swimming with Clinton and, and, and things like this and they were at the same events together. But there isn't actually any evidence. One person did claim, but this person was Virginia. So you can't, you can't, you have to take it with pinch felt that she had given oral sex to Bill Clinton. But as I say, Virginia has been found to have lied about most of her allegations. So you just don't know. That's the, that's, that's the thing about this. There are certain things that I can prove 1 million sentence. Some that you can't.
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Charlie Kirk
So that the final thing I'll ask you about is the Epstein's links to Putin and the Kremlin spies. What do we know about this now from this latest email dump?
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, so he's referenced throughout Putin and I think now that is going to spawn a massive investigation into potential connections with the Kremlin. We know that Jeffrey Epstein liked to have the control over people in the sense of manipulating politics, attacking Donald Trump. He helped one of the Democrats, he was texting her at the time and telling her how to grill a witness to go after Donald Trump. So he was very keen on feeling powerful, being connected to Powerful people. And the documents clearly show that he was coveting a very close relationship with people high up in Russia. And he had a fascination with Russia. People don't mention this, but Jeffrey Epstein was Russia obsessed. He was particularly obsessed with Russian women, young 18 to 20 year olds, and that's because he loved the book Lolita. That doesn't, doesn't ring. You know, it's not very good in his defense, but he was fascinated with that. He was fascinated with Russian culture and politics and the documents that are being unearthed now. I'm gonna be putting out a series about his Russia connections, but they do show that his ties to Russia run far deeper than we thought.
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Charlie Kirk
Interesting. So there is potentially, in your estimate, you and Blake are like the wet blankets of Epstein conspiracies. So there is. But even you will admit that there is a thread to pull that still needs polling when it comes to Russia. Okay, fair enough. I have to ask you, because it's another name that's being asked about Steve Bannon. What was Steve Bannon's connection to Jeffrey Epstein? And is there any indication from the email and the new files that have been dumped that he did anything untoward, wrong, illegal?
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Jay Beecher
Absolutely nothing. So Steve Bannon, they're going after Steve Bannon because of his past connection with Trump. Trump. Steve Bannon did nothing wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever to show that he did anything wrong. In fact, if you read through the. The Epstein files and all of the evidence that's come before this, you'll see that his part in all of this is. Is very minor and that he didn't. He wasn't as close to Jeffrey Epstein as anybody assumes. So he did after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction. Jeffrey Epstein was naturally a great person to interview. That's a scoop to get, to get hold of him. Jeffrey Epstein at the same time wanted to exploit that because he wanted to reinvent his image and try and try and correct some of the negative publicity that was being naturally and understandably directed at him. Steve Bannon approached him. They were talking. They'd already, you know, had a connection in the past, very brief association. And then we're seeing now you can go and watch the interview of that Steve Bannon conducted. And that was. Steve Bannon does not hold any punches back. He does. It's a fascinating interview, but he does say, you know, you're a convicted sex offender. He gets Jeffrey Epstein a bit uncomfortable. But as far as any guilt, it goes back to that guilt by association. Again, you, you know, you, you are photographed here or you're documented as having an association with a guy who turned out to be a criminal, ergo, you must be a criminal. Well, that's completely nonsense. You know, it's complete nonsense. And there is no evidence to show that Bannon ever did anything wrong.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, and that's, I've, I think that's a fair assumption. I've always been told that it was sort of like post Bannon being in Trump world. He went to go interview and wanted a scoop, wanted a documentary. You know, it seems, seems like it, you know, checks the smell tests. But we'll see.
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Jay Beecher
As we have to remember as well, we have to remember that Epstein was very keen to go after Donald Trump. They'd had this fallout. You can read the emails where he's really criticizing Donald Trump. He helped actively the House Democrats try to smear Donald Trump. Now if Epstein, that goes to another point we were talking about earlier. If Epstein had any information that was damaging against Donald Trump, he would have released it. He didn't have any, he didn't have anything against Donald Trump to release. He was trying to find other ways, trying desperately scraping the barrel just like the lawyers and the journalists are doing now to attack Donald Trump. But he didn't have anything damaging.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, and it, you know, it could, I've also heard the theory floated that, you know, Steve was also doing some counterintelligence to see if, if there was, you know, what, what the attack vectors could be. I, I, I haven't spoken with him about it. I have no idea. So that's another, another theory. Jay Beecher, please let everybody know how they can follow you, how they can follow along in your, your upcoming book.
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Jay Beecher
Yeah, sure. So if you head over to my substack at J. Beecher or go to the, the rebeljournalist.com and you can subscribe to me there, it's riddled with exclusive interviews with most of the key players, with Donald Trump's lawyer, with the Maxwell family, with the accused and the accusers. And my book Naked Lies is going to be covering my six year investigation and there are some really, there's some evidence that I've had to hold back for the book. So there's some, some really explosive things that when the book comes out, it's going to, going to, there's going to be a mini earthquake I think in this, it will make some headlines and change some minds as well. So it should be coming out at the end of this month at the very latest, the, the first week of, of next month. But it's looking to be the end of this month.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, congratulations on the book. That's always a huge undertaking. So, Jay, thank you for your time. Thank you for, you know, I'm sure the emails are going to be very upset at us, but that's doesn't matter. We're asking you the questions. You're giving your pov.
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Jay Beecher
It is what it is. Just direct the hate to me. Don't worry. Just say, you know, don't shoot the messages.
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Blake
Listen, one of them says you're full of poop emoji.
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Charlie Kirk
But yeah, you know, get a few of those every day. All right, Jay Beecher, thank you so much for your time. Looking forward to Naked Lies coming out at the end of this month, early at the latest, early next month. Thank you for your perspective and all of that hard work that you've done. You've interviewed a ton of people.
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Jay Beecher
Thanks, guys. No, I appreciate you having me on.
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Charlie Kirk
Absolutely. Take care.
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Jay Beecher
Thanks very much. For more on many of these stories.
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Blake
And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.