MAHA in Big Ag + AMA 268

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – “MAHA in Big Ag + AMA 268”

Date: May 29, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Brooke Rollins (U.S. Secretary of Agriculture), with co-hosts Blake, Erica
Episode Theme: Examining the transformation and reform of the Department of Agriculture under the new administration, tackling fraud, tackling “woke” programs, restoring focus to American farmers and national food security, and a listener AMA (Ask Me Anything) on conservative activism and current politics.

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Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show features a detailed conversation with Brooke Rollins, the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, focusing on how the USDA is being overhauled to eliminate “woke” initiatives, cut fraud, and put American farmers and health needs at the center of the department’s mission. The discussion delves into the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, challenges with Big Agriculture and foreign ownership, and the use of emerging technologies in American farming. The second half contains the show’s recurring AMA, fielding questions from conservative activists and listeners about events, policy, and electoral activism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Introduction & Mission (00:03)

• Reiterates his mission of grassroots conservative activism, denounces college as a “scam,” and urges listeners to join Turning Point USA.
• Memorable Quote:

  “If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you’re gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.” (00:03)

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2. Brooke Rollins on Meeting Charlie & Early Activism (01:17–05:33)

• Rollins shares her personal history with Charlie and their parallel work in conservative activism.
• Describes the lack of a “lobbyist for freedom” during her time in Texas government.
• Story of how grassroots conservative think tanks and organizations like Turning Point USA started.
• Notable Quote:

  “Where’s the lobbyist for freedom? ... so I left Rick Perry’s office ... I couldn’t have articulated it then, but I fully understood the opportunity to go in and really make a difference in my state.” (03:06)

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3. Overhaul of USDA: Cutting “Woke” Contracts & Programs (05:33–07:39)

• Rollins lists contracts canceled for promoting “food justice” for queer and trans farmers, studying menstrual cycles of transgender men, and DEI in pest management.

• She argues these are wasteful uses of taxpayer money, with hundreds canceled.

• Notable Quote:

  “We’ve canceled a $300,000 contract educating on food justice for queer and transgender farmers in San Francisco ... another $600,000 contract ... for menstrual cycles of transgender men ... DEI in pest management. These are nonsensical.” (05:33)

• Hosts remark on how absurd these expenditures sound when recited aloud.

• Rollins describes embarrassment at having to report these at cabinet level:

  “I’m talking about queer BIPOC, transgender mice and menstrual pest control. And Mr. President, to the President of the United States in the Cabinet room. It was so bad, y’all.” (07:30)

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4. SNAP Reform & Fraud Crackdown (07:39–10:12)

• Extensive effort to restrict junk food purchases through 23 state SNAP waivers; $3 billion in fraud found so far in red states alone; blue states non-cooperative.
• Stats: 186,000 dead people still receiving SNAP, more than 355,000 cases of illegal double-dipping.
• Emphasis on restoring work requirements for SNAP, moving away from year-round welfare.
• Rollins touts reduction of 4.3 million people from SNAP since Trump took office, attributing to fraud crackdown, tighter eligibility, and wage growth.

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5. Cotton, MAHA Initiative, and National Security (10:24–15:46)

• Great American Cotton Plan announced, aiming to restore American cotton’s dominance against foreign synthetics.

• Links decline of cotton, beef, soybeans, corn exports to Biden-era policies and foreign competition (notably Brazil).

• Rollins ties reliance on foreign food, fiber, and fuel to national security risk.

• Discussion around stricter oversight on chemicals in clothing (laws not updated since 1940s); increased consumer demand for “clean clothing.”

• Notable Quote:

  “If we begin to rely on these other countries for food, for fiber, for fuel, we lose our country. So today we announced a big, big plan to take it back.” (11:51)

• MAHA (Make America Healthy Again):
  Central commitment to prioritizing real food and farmers in all policy. Rollins frames health of Americans as inseparable from supporting real, local agriculture:

  “The only way we make America healthy again is by putting real food, which comes from real farmers, back at the center of every conversation, of every policy decision.” (14:48)

• USDA spends $400M a day on nutrition programs—a massive lever for policy change.

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6. Glyphosate, Technology, and Big Ag (17:23–24:43)

• Rollins acknowledges glyphosate’s controversial role—calls for a technological "off-ramp” using AI, precision agriculture, and robotics to eventually reduce dependency.
• Explains that while glyphosate’s dangers are debated, abrupt bans would devastate agriculture, citing Sri Lanka’s failed ban as an example (20:38).
• Technological Solutions:
  Drones identify targeted pesticide needs, reducing overuse. Private sector, especially Silicon Valley, is investing rapidly in ag-tech.
• Dairy automation and robotic crop picking are highlighted as real advancements, but capital and knowledge gaps are barriers, especially for older, smaller farmers.
• Administration is pushing for deregulatory moves and investment to help farmers modernize.

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7. Foreign Land Ownership & Big Ag Concerns (26:38–29:54)

• China owns increasing amounts of U.S. farmland; Brazil’s JBS (tainted by corruption) controls significant U.S. meat processing capacity.
• Loss of U.S. market leadership in key crops attributed to foreign competition and regulatory neglect.
• Continued beef price challenges explained by historic lows in U.S. cattle herds and climate policy impacts.

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8. Lawfare Against Farmers and Eminent Domain (30:54–33:30)

• Rollins decries government "lawfare" and eminent domain used to seize generational American farms for projects like solar panels or low-income housing.
• Highlights MAHA incentives for new/young farmers with local/sustainable production.
• Notable Story:

  “There was [a] 175-year-old farm in New Jersey, sixth generation Andy Henry ... tried to take their land to build affordable housing ... in Arizona, the Casey Murph ranch ... to put solar panels on.” (30:54-32:02)

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9. Purging DEI Trainings & Deep Corruption (33:30–34:17)

• Rollins reports canceling 900 DEI trainings at USDA on day one.
• Ongoing efforts to obtain data from blue states, with intent to cut funding if necessary to compel compliance.

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10. Listener AMA & Grassroots Q&A (57:11–91:18)

• Student Action Summit and Women’s Leadership Summit logistics discussed.
• Encouragement for “ballot chasing” activism: Detailed signups at tpaction.com, open to all, including families and pets (86:23–88:59).
• Push to defeat “RINO” Republican Senators (Lindsey Graham, etc.) and analysis of shifting Senate dynamics (59:46–61:39).
• Security concerns and political violence:
  Hosts discuss rising violence against conservatives—advocate strongly for self-protection, cite need for individual readiness amidst law enforcement’s limits (63:14–68:53).
• Women’s vote challenge:
  Listeners question if radicalization of young women and men’s political apathy will damage GOP midterms prospects (83:00–83:39).
• America 250 Festival controversy:
  Several artists (e.g., Martina McBride, Bret Michaels) drop out after media labels event “Trump-aligned.” Panel recommends focusing on authentic, non-celebrity Americana to celebrate the country (74:23–80:30).

  “Screw trying to get in tight with these has-beens ... Get some people that celebrate the country ... Get line dancing, get banjo players, bluegrass, jazz ... We don’t care if we know your name. This needs to be about America, not about these losers.” (79:44)

• Conservative messaging on Epstein files and transparency: GOP’s released files compared to previous administrations (89:47–91:12).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rollins on USDA reform:

  “We canceled 900. Not nine, not 90, 900 DEI trainings, just at USDA.” (33:41)

• On foreign ownership:

  “China in 1983 owned about 2,000 acres ... today they own almost 230,000.” (26:56)

• On food security:

  “If we begin to rely on these other countries for food, for fiber, for fuel, we lose our country.” (11:51)

• Charlie Kirk on activism:

  “You do not fight because you know you’re going to win. You fight because it’s the right thing to do.” (89:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• USDA “woke” contract cancellations: 05:33–07:39
• SNAP fraud crackdown: 08:00–10:12
• American Cotton Plan & MAHA: 10:56–15:46
• Glyphosate, Technology & Big Ag: 17:23–24:43
• Foreign farmland, beef, Smithfield/JBS: 26:38–29:54
• Eminent domain and lawfare against farms: 30:54–33:30
• Purging DEI at USDA: 33:30–34:17
• AMA (“Ask Me Anything”): 57:11 forward

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Conclusion: Tone and Takeaways

The episode blazes with unapologetically conservative, reformist zeal: lambasting legacy “woke” programs, celebrating rooting out fraud, and pushing for assertive American policy in food, farming, and culture. Rollins’ tenure at USDA is framed as a “battle tank” operation, disrupting bureaucratic drift and foreign influence, all anchored by a narrative of national renewal (“Make America Healthy Again”). The second hour’s rapid-fire Q&A keeps the grassroots energy high—emphasizing activism, electioneering, and vigilance against both internal and external threats.

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For Listeners New to the Episode

This episode offers a panoramic view of contemporary conservative priorities in agriculture, government reform, and grassroots activism, punctuated by both policy depth and patriotic fervor. The language is direct, sometimes combative, consistently mission-driven, and assumes a strongly right-leaning, activist audience.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegold investments.com. that is noblegoldinvestments.com.

[Blake]

all right, well, welcome to the studio. We are so honored to have the United States Secretary of Agriculture here, Brooke Rollins. Welcome.

[Brooke Rollins]

Thank you. Feeling a little overwhelmed right now. As you and I talked about before, I first met Charlie when he was 18. Oh, yeah. We kind of grew up. I'm obviously older, but kind of grew up in the movement together, so this is sort of full circle.

[Blake]

Well, you know, I totally relate to that. When I first came into the studio, after everything that happened, it was overwhelming for me, basically, for the first, like, couple months, I'm sure. And I had to, like, you know, I had a job to do, and I had to sort of act like I was comfortable. And I. But, you know, now it's actually comforting. It's weird. I come in here, I see his chair. I see Gigi's, you know, beautiful presence for her dad and his hat and his book. Yeah. And it actually brings me, like, comfort. So I get, like. I try and relate to that as we have guests in the studio. And I know it can be overwhelming, but. But it's kind of just beautiful just to see all these reminders of him, too. So it is.

[Brooke Rollins]

And I tell you that the work has to continue. And I just. I feel. I feel his spirit. I'm so grateful to y'.

[Blake]

All.

[Brooke Rollins]

I'm grateful to Erica for being such a warrior for the country, but for him and his legacy and for his children. So to be a very small part of that is a real honor. Thank you.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

The work must continue. You might remember the first time you ran into him. He got to be. He had to be an insane go getter at 18.

[Brooke Rollins]

Can you even imagine?

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I only met him when he was 29 or 30. And everyone. I thought I ran into him. I just thought, this guy is high intensity. He's always doing anything. And then Andrew and everyone else are telling me, oh, he. He's massively chilled out. He used to be far, far more intense.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, let me, Let me. Do we have time for the quick story?

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Of course, of course.

[Brooke Rollins]

So at that point, let's see, I'm probably. I'm just 32. I'm probably a little more than 20 years older than him, but I always felt more like a big sister. And so he was just starting Turning Point. And we kept hearing about it. I was building the Texas Public Policy foundation in Texas. Really kind of the first of its kind idea that I didn't even know what a think tank was. But what I knew is I'd been Rick Perry's policy director and general counsel in my late 20s. And what I knew is that every day, all day, I would get lobbyist after lobbyist after lobbyist in conservative Texas. And it was never about doing what was right. It was never about, we're cutting taxes because it's for freedom or we're not going to regulate because we want to return power to the people. It was just, here's what I need. I'm like, where's. Where's the lobbyist for freedom? Like, I don't understand. So I left Rick Perry's office after a couple years. It was a great experience. Hit 29, maybe, maybe 30, and someone came to me with this idea of the Texas Public Policy Foundation. And I think because I had been on the inside of. I fully understand, stood. I couldn't have articulated it then, but I fully understood the opportunity to go in and to really make a difference in my state. And just representing freedom, like that was it. So I said, okay, so kind of that's where it started. So when Charlie came on the scene, I don't know, however many years later, 10, maybe 15, he, of course, I think somehow came to, ended up in Texas to raise money for this new concept from this new kid. And so all the people that he would go to and he'd get the meetings. I don't know how, but he'd get the meetings and then they would tell him, go talk to Brooke. Like, she's kind of a little bit ahead of you and, and, and go talk to Brooke. And you're wanting to build this thing. She's now built this pretty massive thing in Texas. But we want to see kind of how y' all can work together, what she thinks, et cetera. And so that's how we first met, was it? 18, 19 year old Charlie building Turning Point, coming to Texas, sitting down. And. And then of course, we became really, really good friends.

[Blake]

I remember talking to him about you and the way he would talk about you was always so like the big sister thing, it really, it, it's apt because I remember it was always like there was a level of comfort when it came to Brooke. I'll call Brooke, you know. Yeah, but, and by the way, like, so Charlie ends up creating Turning Point and building it into this machine. And now you're in the administration, you're a cabinet official. So I figured that's where we should start. Well, we started with the story, which is actually better, but this was just from yesterday or two days ago. If you're watching this live.

[Brooke Rollins]

The U.S. department of Agriculture. We've canceled a $300,000 contract educating on food justice for queer and transgender farmers in San Francisco. A similar contract we canceled in New York. Again, educating transgender and queer farmers on food justice and food equality. I'm not even sure what that means, but apparently the last administration wanted to put our taxpayer dollars towards that. We canceled a $600,000 contract out of Louisiana that was studying the menstrual cycles of transgender men. A $600,000 contract. We canceled another contract out of a university in the middle of the country that focused on getting more diversity, equity and inclusion into our pest management industry. Again, these are nonsensical. It makes zero sense to use taxpayer dollars to. I know. These are just a few examples of the hundreds and hundreds that we have found.

[Blake]

Unbelievable.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I looked that up and it's so funny because it just captures the moment so well where I guess the actual study was like, we're gonna see how feminine hygiene products, whether some are healthy or unhealthy. But then of course, it was happening in Peak Woke, so they had to go. And especially for the trans men who

[Blake]

need to use these.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

You had to throw this into every single grant application.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Just gotta vaporize. You just have to say that stuff doesn't.

[Blake]

But when you're saying it out loud, it's the most obnoxious, obscene, absurd, ridiculous. Like you just said those sentences.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake]

On national TV at a cabinet.

[Brooke Rollins]

What does even a bipoc former mean in San Francisco?

[Blake]

Like I'm so, like, take this cabinet

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

meeting and send it back to 1975 and see if anyone can tell what you're talking about.

[Blake]

This is obscene stuff. And I'm. I mean, I'm proud of you and the job you're doing, but I'm also really embarrassed for you that you had to say that. You're a professional, dignified woman.

[Brooke Rollins]

I'm talking about queer bipoc, transgender mice and menstrual pest control. And Mr. President to the President of the United States in the Cabinet room. It was so bad, y'.

[Charlie Kirk]

All.

[Brooke Rollins]

And just last week, we just got a court ruling down usda under the Biden, USDA actually prioritized grants and loans based on the color of your skin. How de you were. Illegal, illegal, illegal canceling all of that. It just is. And I feel like we're still just at the tip of the spear. I mean, the SNAP fraud, the food

[Blake]

stamp fraud, that's what I'm getting into here, because I have a list here of these fraud initiatives that you're leading. Okay, so 23 state waivers. You've gotten 23 states to sign on basically restricting junk food purchases. With snap, eight are already implementing. That's really good. This one blows my mind. You have exposed $3 billion in SNAP fraud across 28 states. And with national losses projected at over $6 billion.

[Brooke Rollins]

And by the way, those are the red states. Think about the blue states.

[Blake]

That's a whole other conversation. And they're just, like, not playing ball.

[Brooke Rollins]

The blue states are not playing ball.

[Blake]

We need to bend them to our will. This shouldn't be. Ok. You have to play ball.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake]

Can we stop the funding? Can we stop sending them?

[Brooke Rollins]

That's right.

[Blake]

I mean, I know it's a big political hot potato because it's like SNAP benefits or whatever. Well, fine. Play by the rules, and we'll give the people that need it the money. This is bananas. 186,000 dead people were still collecting SNAP benefits. And more than 355,000 cases of people illegally double dipping.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes. And these are in the red states. This is. We don't even have California's data or New York's data.

[Blake]

It'll be quadruple that. How did this happen? Since President Trump took office, 4.3 million fewer people. You say Americans, but we'll say fewer people are off snap. How are we doing that?

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, a couple of different things. First, I think this focus on the fraud has moved a lot of the fake people off of snap. But I also think, and this is the Dream right. The wages are increasing. There's more people working now than ever before. This is supposed to be the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. It's only supposed to last for a certain amount of time for for people that truly, truly need it. It had become a year round welfare program. Everyone qualified a way of life stack

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

it with it's SNAP with disability payments.

[Brooke Rollins]

Exactly.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Whatever we expanded during COVID we're now requiring work requirements.

[Brooke Rollins]

So you unless you have, you know a young child, you are required to look for a job or actually go find a job before you can get these these. So we've changed the whole game on the SNAP program and across the whole administration really.

[Blake]

And then I mean you combine that with Russ vote coming out just today he's overhauling a trillion dollars worth of federal grants mandating E verify. I have no idea how that will overlap with what you're doing at usda but it's all good.

[Brooke Rollins]

It's amazing.

[Blake]

It's all good and no more DEI nonsense and performance based reviews things can get you can actually end things which is amazing. So this is a really big story that I don't think a lot of people are yet talking about and I want to make sure people are taking note of it. And that is you are you have this the Great American Cotton Plan which people do not respect how big our cotton industry is and how under assault it is. So I love that you're doing this. I think we have some some graphics here we can throw up as you're talking about it. What what's going on here?

[Brooke Rollins]

Well first of all what I realized a year and a half ago when I very unexpectedly ended up in this job. This was not on my bingo card. Was not expecting it. The president made an announcement and off to the races we went. My background is agriculture. I grew up on I studied agriculture in college at Texas A and M but I had been doing really all policy in all those years and building policy organizations alongside Charlie. So this was unexpected what I We

[Blake]

were not a policy organization. We're not think tank. We're a battle tank.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah, I love it. Well I would say we're a battle tank too but part of the movement as we're building the movement.

[Blake]

I knew what you meant but changing hearts and minds.

[Brooke Rollins]

But I I the point well taken what I will say is I knew it was bad. I knew agriculture was bet was was in real tough shape Siege big Ag, foreign adversaries buying farmland. The consolidation of our food supply chain by foreign owned companies is insane how it happened. It still Blows my mind. But we're, we're rolling asleep at the

[Blake]

switch to let that happen 100%.

[Brooke Rollins]

So today in Arizona, we announced as part of that the Great American Cotton Plan for really the first cotton plant we planted in 1607 in a Virginia settlement. Our American revolutionaries wore cotton when George Washington was battling the Brits. This goes back to the very beginning and even before the beginning of our country. But what has happened over the last, we'll say decade or so is the foreign fake synthetic material has become so prolific and so cheap that we have begun been moving away from great American cotton for years. And then Joe Biden, of course, took his eye off the ball. Do you realize under Joe Biden's watch, we lost our market in soybeans, we lost our market in corn. We, we lost our market in beef. And then they took over. We used to be the greatest exporter in the world of cotton. Brazil took that over in 2022. This is national security level implications. This isn't just good for the farmers and we want good cotton. If we begin to rely on these other countries for food, for fiber, for fuel, we lose our country. So today we announced a big, big plan to take it back. And it's part of the Maha movement

[Blake]

too, I was going to say.

[Brooke Rollins]

So we're excited.

[Blake]

Hold on, hold on. Alex Clark knew you were coming on and she said, ask if this means. And we have this graph. The USDA is finally promoting natural fibers over petroleum based synthetics. So she took note of this from the Maha standpoint. She said, ask if this means the FDA might look into the laws about what chemicals are allowed in clothes that haven't been updated since 1940. She's saying the laws about what chemicals we put in our clothes haven't been updated since the 40s.

[Brooke Rollins]

Since the 40s. It's. It is. I know it's an FDA thing, but it's FDA. But from my perspective, this administration, our cabinet, is very unique and that we all sort of roll into each other's lanes. I mean, y' all have seen this with me and Bobby Kennedy for a year and a half now. I mean, who knew he was going to be my number one partner in all things? But he talks about, hey, I waived, you know, I granted 23 states waivers. They can't sell junk food anymore under SNAP. And I'm like, Bobby, that was actually USDA, but I'm very glad you take all the credit for that. It doesn't matter to me. And so even though that is fda, this will now be One of my top priorities is digging in and understanding it. Mother of four children, I couldn't agree more with Alex's focus on what we're doing on this.

[Blake]

She's saying, she's saying, I've been hearing from so many moms that they are really into clean clothing. Seems like we're on the brink of another big movement.

[Brooke Rollins]

We are.

[Blake]

So is this. But this could actually help cotton farmers, presumably.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Blake]

So if you're, if you start banning some of these petroleum based synthetics, if they're bad for people.

[Brooke Rollins]

Correct.

[Blake]

This would open up market space for cotton farmers.

[Brooke Rollins]

That's exactly right. And for the first time in 100 years, Cotton begins to do this instead of doing this as we've offshored so much to the bad guys, frankly.

[Blake]

We've got just a couple minutes left here in this segment with you. What is the most important thing that this Real America's Voice audience watching live needs to know about what you're doing?

[Brooke Rollins]

There are a lot of really important things. I mentioned national security. That's probably the most existential issue. But from my perspective, the biggest legacy issue is the work to make America healthy again. And I think a lot of people will be like, well, wait a minute, that's more Bobby. I said, no, no, no. The only way we make America healthy again is by putting real food, which comes from real farmers, back at the center of every conversation, of every policy decision. USDA spends $400 million every day. Just let that soak in. Every day on just 16 nutrition programs, school lunches, the SNAP program, the WIC program, etc. Imagine the market moving power just in that alone. Right? The Dietary Guidelines. Yes, we want people eating real food. We want to open the aperture for young farmers to get in and grow lettuce and sell to the local school. But the opportunity to really change the trajectory of the nation under the health. You know, putting farmers and real food back into the center of every piece of policymaking changes the game forever for our country.

[Blake]

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[Brooke Rollins]

That's right.

[Blake]

And Lee Zeldin over there. So this issue of glyphosate, to the extent that it overlaps with you, there's been. The allegations are, they vary, but it's basically like the admin has given, you know, a legal blank check essentially the immunity or something are working towards this for the glyphosate and chemical manufacturers at the expense of kind of what MAHA wants. And Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy's come out against glyphosate. The farmers seem to like it. Right. So what is the truth? What is fiction? Separate truth from fiction. Here are we, are we giving immunity to glyphosate manufacturers? How does that impact your goals at maha? How does that impact HHS goals at maha?

[Brooke Rollins]

You know, I think Bobby has talked about this in a way that is really focused on. You can't pull a crop protection tool like glyphosate and just go on as normal. It is decades, whether right or wrong. You know, it is decades of use that has underscored, underwritten and provided America's farmers and ranchers to become the breadbasket for the world. So if you are to just pull the rug tomorrow and say, sorry, no more glyphosate, right or wrong again. You know, EPA has now for decades approved it, said it's not harmful if used correctly. The EU uses it. It's actually one of the few things that the EU has approved. They, they disapprove almost everything that is one that has been approved again for right or wrong. I think the Questions are real. Who's funding those studies? Have they been updated? I mean those are all really important questions. But the studies we have to date would say that used correctly, it has not proven to be detrimental if used correctly. Having said all of that, the way Bobby has questioned it, I don't disagree with. We have to have an off ramp and a forward leaning plan that allows us to rely more heavily on technology, on AI, potentially to use as pesticides.

[Blake]

Explain that. How would AI so you can't believe

[Brooke Rollins]

the technology that's out there today. There are drones that can do one fly over say a 500 acre field of corn and can within half a second send the information back to the farmer and back to the tractor and say, oh, actually where a crop protectant or a pesticide may be necessary is in this one corner on row 57 at corn stalk six. And so instead of just blasting the whole field, you can go in and really focus on where it's needed, whether it's glyphosate, something organic or not.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

That's how it's always been. I believe, like even with a lot of the glyphosate harms, it's because people are using it at home in they're really overdoing it. They're not professionals, they don't know exactly how much they need. And this seems like an even more extreme case.

[Blake]

Well, listen, I'm, I mean my instincts say probably the world, like we'd probably have better overall health if we weren't using glyphosate. That's my general instinct here. But I also find the argument compelling that you can't rug pull the entire ag industry food supply overnight. I mean, the shock would be dramatic and prices skyrocketing. The country tried that.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Sri Lanka did a ban on glyphosate and everything else overnight. And food prices went up 50% in one year.

[Brooke Rollins]

And the leaders of the country were literally.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

The president had to flee the country.

[Blake]

They fled the country. So that's very compelling argument. But I love this idea of an off ramp. And so it kind of brings up this larger issue of tech. So one of my big pet peeves, and I mentioned this to you briefly in the green room before you came on, is this whole, I mean, I'm very aware that the President is being hounded by big ag, big hospitality. We need foreign workers. We need foreign workers. We need foreign workers. And he's a businessman and he wants the business and the economy to be rip roaring. I get it. So it's a tension I Believe that there should be a more concerted effort from the federal government to implement tech and robotics to pick crops so that we don't have to have so many seasonal workers, so we don't have to have illegal immigrants coming over the border and transforming our country. Which by the way, is not just a crop problem or a food price problem. It's a DMV problem, a schools problem, a hospital problem, it's a traffic on the roads problem, it's a housing problem. So it's all connected. So what can you tell me about how you guys are focused at the USDA to address the robotics issue? Is there a moonshot that we can get where we help with the capital expenditures to implement robotics or to train up farmers, local farmers, even big Ag, on how to implement this technology more successfully?

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah, there are a couple of different things. First of all, the USDA is a massive behemoth of an agency. The budget is astounding. A lot of it is food stamps and the welfare programs, but a lot of it is land grant research investments into these sorts of opportunities. But as in all things the private sector, this is where a lot of the guys in Silicon Valley have now pivoted to, is agriculture. And the idea that we can do what you're talking about, we're already seeing it in the dairy industry. If you were to go on MVP Dairy is one of my favorite. I think they have, I don't a lot, 5,000 maybe mama cows on milk. Those cows, they walk out to the pasture, they have their fun time. When they're ready to be milked, they kind of know in their head, well

[Blake]

they, they have physical pain that need to address and so they're motivated, they walk back in.

[Brooke Rollins]

They literally walk into a stall. The technology hooks up. There's no worker. The technology hooks up, they get on a carousel. It's actually amazing. Y' all need to look this up. They zoom around on their carousel. They eat their alfalfa, they eat their food. Then they finish. After one round, they back, back off, they go back out to the pasture. It's completely self regulated. Thousands of dairy cattle. So the technology is incredible.

[Blake]

I've seen robotics that go through these crop rows. They'll pick, that's right, arm, arm. They go quicker than, you know, some, you know, no offense, but like some Guatemalan that came over the border illegally, they're actually going quicker and more efficiently. And you don't have all these knock on downstream social impacts, school impacts, DMV impacts, so. But if I'm a farmer and I'm thinking, okay, I get it. I'm MAGA through and through. I voted Trump three times. And I want to be supportive of my culture, but I can't afford the local, at least not everybody for harvest season. I can't afford all Americans or whatever. Break the bank. I need to get some of these seasonal workers. I really am drawn to robotics. I want to try this. Maybe I can save some money. I'm thinking the main barriers are capital expenditure, learning. That's right. If you're a farmer, you're up from sun up to sundown, and the average

[Brooke Rollins]

farmer's 58 years old.

[Blake]

Yeah. So how are you going to teach. Teach an old farmer new tricks.

[Brooke Rollins]

That's right.

[Blake]

So, like, how do we bridge the knowledge gap, the capital expenditure gap? Because a lot of these guys are barely hanging on.

[Brooke Rollins]

Right.

[Blake]

And you know about this. I know it's near and dear to your heart. We have so many farmers that are folding, folding up, and closing up shop. So that seems to be. And I'm not talking about Big Ag, although Big Ag should be the first one that is forced to adopt this stuff or at least incentivize strongly. So, like, how do we bridge that gap?

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah, there's. There is a really important opportunity to meet this moment in American history. Everything you have just described is a formula that allows us to really run at full speed toward real, significant change. A USDA and an HHS and an FDA and a small business. You know, small business. Kelly Leffler has now started investing a bunch of money in ag technology. Another conversation for another time. But we've offshored all of our fertilizer for the last 30 years. So we're relying on China and Russia for fertilizer.

[Blake]

Now they're relying on the Strait of Hormuz.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, that's exactly right. We're now about to break ground on what will be the largest ammonia plant in the world in Louisiana in about a month. So we're solving for that, too. But the investment, first of all, deregulating, which would allow our private sector, these Silicon Valley guys, David Freeberg and others, who are all in on agriculture, and they see that as the next big frontier on how to fix that, while at the same time making sure usda, instead of spending money on transgender mental health, you know, the menstrual cycles, which you talked about at the top of our conversation, we're now spending money and investing on this sort of investment. It would be great if Congress wanted to lean in. And, you know, we're shrinking government, I think Our federal government is now the same size as it was.

[Blake]

But this is really important to spend money. If the ROI means that we don't have the need for 10 million illegals the next time a Democrat takes. That's exactly right. Like we got to cut off the incentive structure. Half of this is if the farms don't need the labor, they're going to come over the border and yeah, they'll get restaurant work, they'll get hospitality work. Again, this is all assuming a Democrats in office, but the farms won't need them and that cuts off a huge, huge incentive.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

And we already see that happening with other jobs. They would fill that. We brought in hundreds of thousands of truck drivers and now we're right on clearly on the brink of having a ton of self driving vehicles.

[Brooke Rollins]

That's right.

[Blake]

So we're just going to create this permanent underclass of people who can't get jobs for a job that doesn't exist anymore.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%.

[Blake]

Go on snap. Yeah, they'll go on snap. Yeah, and then we'll have to kick them off that too when we find out the fraud. Okay, you mentioned China and Brazil as, let's just say foes in the agriculture space or competitors. What are they doing that's so insidious and what are we doing to fight back?

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, we could start with farmland. China in 1983 owned about 2,000 acres of our American farmland. Today they own almost 230 acres of our American farmland. They purchased Syngenta, which is basically, there's no other purveyor of seeds and some of the other crop protectant.

[Blake]

How did we even look at that in the world?

[Brooke Rollins]

How did this happen? Smithfield, they purchased which was the largest pork company in America in the world. But in America that, that basically controls about a fifth of our pork in America now owned by the Chinese. Brazil, with our meat processing. We have a beef price issue today in America. But part of that is because only four control about 85% of the processing of our beef. Two of those are Brazilian owned. One of those is JBS and I will call them out. I continue to do so. They are a company that has faced 1900 indictments in Brazil for corruption. They are basically have child slave labor accusations. It's a couple of billionaires and it is a massive issue and they keep taking our market share. I know I mentioned Brazil's taken soybean, corn, now cotton and beef. These are really, really big nationalists.

[Blake]

There's pressure on President Trump to on the tariff front. On beef so that we lower beef prices. What's your position on that? I mean I understand you've got a boss but I mean that is a tension though, right? American ranchers are probably hearing that going.

[Brooke Rollins]

It is. The president is very focused on affordability and obviously we're all understand that's probably the top issue for the midterms. All other food prices have come down. Beef has not. Because we're at a cattle herd low of 75 years. Primarily because the left waged war on ranchers and cattlemen saying it caused climate change. Climate change took away grazing allotments, etc. Exactly. There are a lot. There are other reasons to drought and some other things. But, but, and it's a worldwide.

[Blake]

You see this for Tal Rico. He's like we have a moral obligation to get rid of meat. We're going to do the vegan thing.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, literally crazy.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I mean it'd be kind of true that this will probably just solve itself eventually. A lot of us is just you got to wait for the cows to be born.

[Brooke Rollins]

You have to wait for the cows to be born and then also not surprisingly you have to ensure you're protecting and upholding what the ranchers need to do just that. So on the one hand you've got the beef price issue and we're importing beef already. But how do you bring that price down and how much? I mean it's 656.70 a pound of beef. Trying to get that back down to normal prices which is $5.50. $5. The good news is unlike fuel there are other sources of protein. So it's not like families are starving because they can't afford 650.

[Blake]

You could relieve some pressure in the short term but in long term we got to keep our eyes on our

[Brooke Rollins]

own ranch and we have to incident. It's a national security issue. It really is. So that's what we're really working to do. The flip side, and this is good news for the long term, tough for the short term is with Make America healthy Again. Everyone's eating more beef and they want, they're willing to pay for it. So it's a supply and demand.

[Blake]

I want high tea, baby. That's what I'm, I want. You know I'm a red blooded American male. I ate a lot of beef. You need beef, I need beef. So do my, my kids just love beef? Oh yeah.

[Brooke Rollins]

No. And everyone's eating more beef and so that's been a huge.

[Blake]

Ranchers, good ranchers.com oh, are they supporters?

[Brooke Rollins]

Oh, I love those guys.

[Blake]

Ben's amazing.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah. Product of the USA for the first time. We two months ago said you can no longer you can sell in America, but you can't say you're a product of the USA unless you're born, sold.

[Blake]

Good.

[Brooke Rollins]

I was going to ask harvested, processed here. Whereas others if it was one of the five they could stick on a usa. So. So we're incentivizing our ranchers to build their herds every year.

[Blake]

So you're going after fraud, you're encouraging Maha. We're getting rid of synthetics, we're promoting cotton. Well, we're not getting rid of synthetics. We're creating a marketplace where cotton wins.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake]

And we should review some of the synthetics. And then we're also protecting our home turf. Right. With the ranchers and the farmers here. Brooke, it seems like you're checking all the boxes.

[Brooke Rollins]

Can we do one more that I think your audience will love?

[Blake]

Absolutely.

[Brooke Rollins]

So the lawfare piece of this is real. Obviously the weaponization of government. We've all seen it. Charlie, you guys, I the president certainly more than anyone. But what a lot of people don't know is that our farmers and ranchers with the Democrats at every level, federal, state, local have been under assault whether it's using eminent domain to take. There was 175 year old farm in New Jersey, sixth generation Andy Henry, the city of I think it was Cranberry, New Jersey tried to take their land, take it after trying to buy it and they said no to try to take their land to build affordable housing. This is 175-year-old farm before the Civil War in Arizona. I just two nights ago affordable housing

[Blake]

because we imported 75 million people in the country since the 1990s.

[Brooke Rollins]

Get this, there is a ranch I just posted about a couple of days ago, the Casey Murph ranch here in Arizona where the state of Arizona is trying to take to put solar panels on. Not try to buy, not try to say can we work with you? But to take his ranch, his sixth generation ranch to put solar panels on.

[Blake]

Imminent domain on that.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes, yes, it is one thing. It's happening.

[Blake]

It's such a scourge. It doesn't even look nice.

[Brooke Rollins]

Oh, it's awful.

[Blake]

What's more, beautiful farm or a big beautiful ranch?

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake]

And then you replace it with a freaking solar.

[Brooke Rollins]

And it's intermittent. It doesn't even work. You can't power a country on solar or wind. Like it is really massively problematic for so many reasons. But the Lawfare against our farmers and ranchers is real.

[Blake]

So how many farms are we losing on a annual basis? Well, has it slowed yet?

[Brooke Rollins]

It's beginning to slow. We've been losing tens of thousands on a yearly basis, but we are working. That's the other good thing about Maha, is that it incentivizes first generation or second generation. Have 50 herd of cattle, slaughter them, support and sell just to the local school or just to the local hospital. We've got a whole young farmer project that allows them to do that. I had two brothers in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in the desert, who got together, wanted to become farmers. Dad's a doctor, mom's a professor. They now grow, after 10 years, 250,000 leads of organic lettuce on three acres in the desert. They employ six people, legal workers, and they have made a life on three acres. 250,000 head of lettuce. It is the most righteous.

[Blake]

How do they. How do people plug into this stuff? They want to see how you could help them. Where do they go?

[Brooke Rollins]

They go to usda.gov there are so many programs. It's a little bit, you know, challenging from a conservative, free market perspective, but these programs are so important righteously now.

[Blake]

And I just can't imagine what it must have been like day one, where you open the hood at USDA and saw the woke and the corruption and the fraud and the waste. It must have been just shocking.

[Brooke Rollins]

On day one, we canceled 900. Not nine, not 90, 900 DEI trainings, just at USDA. 900.

[Blake]

We were. We were so. Things were way worse than I think people realized.

[Brooke Rollins]

We all knew it was bad. And I've been at this a really long time. No idea how truly corrupt and horrible it is. I know. We started the conversation on snap. What we found in just the red states is enough to make anyone weep. What we will find in the blue states when we finally get our hands on that data.

[Blake]

How are we going to get it?

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, we're in litigation right now. The next step is to cut the funding, and then. Then we have a real conversation.

[Blake]

Good. So I think we should go hard. Go.

[Brooke Rollins]

I agree. And the president really agrees with that, too, which is the good news.

[Blake]

Well, Brooke, I know you got to run. It's been wonderful having this conversation. People do not fully appreciate all that goes on in our government and especially at usda. So thank you for a little peek behind the curtain here. Well, really fascinating.

[Brooke Rollins]

I feel like we have and are honoring our friend Charlie's legacy. And this was what he dreamed for. What he worked for his whole life, his young life, but his whole life. And it's coming to fruition.

[Blake]

And he's a big reason that folks like you get a chance to.

[Brooke Rollins]

That's exactly right. I would argue. Maybe the biggest reason. I would argue. Yeah.

[Blake]

Well, God bless you and thank you for coming in and visiting us.

[Brooke Rollins]

Thank you. Anytime.

[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

I'm hopeful in the sense that I hope it happens. I'm skeptical in the sense that it's hard for me to see the deal that the president just outlined on Truth Social being agreed to by the Iranians. I've thought for a while that the words coming out of their mouth and a piece of paper saying they're giving up their nuclear program would be a bridge too far for them under the current circumstances where they don't seem cowed. And I would caution people that if the president does say, I met with my team, we're signing the deal, even if Iran says they're signing the deal too, although it would be a big step for them to acknowledge a commitment to get rid of the nuclear program, it's going to be hard to get that done, particularly when one of the first items in the deal is opening up the strait, which is great for the American economy and the American driver, but also takes that economic pressure off Iran. So I'm skeptical that the deal actually will be agreed to by both sides. But if that happens, we're all going to have to watch to see whether Iran will continue to negotiate the terms of the specifics on nuclear in good faith. And history suggests we should all be skeptical about that.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I mean, I think that's a really good point of caution here, Mark, because it is a step by step process. It's sort of like, hey, we're going to take one step of good faith forward. If you meet us, there's, we're gonna take another one and another one and another one. But if you don't, then the stick is waiting. Right? We can blockade the strait again. We could even use kinetic military force again. We could roll this all the way back to the start of the process. So I do agree with you. That being said, I have been told, sources have told me, that what's changed about this is that the moderates seem ascendant. The hardliners seem like they're getting more and more isolated. That could change. It's not that the hardliners are gone. And the other thing is that they actually are willing for the first time, talking about concessions on nuclear, talking about, okay, we'll stop, we won't pursue this and we'll create a plan for you guys to actually get the dust. Right.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

But I feel like we've been around the block on this a few times where it's the moderate rebels, the moderate extremists. We've seen that in Syria, we've seen that in Libya, certainly. And Mark, I think you've probably been around the block on hopes in the Middle East a few times and you might have some experience on how that tends to pan out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, historically in Middle east generally, as you suggest, Blake, and specifically Iran, it hasn't worked out great. But I think one of the encouraging things in the way the President has framed the deal and we'll see in the actual document if that's the case. If Iran is not getting financial concessions upfront, they're not getting any sort of unfreezing of assets, they're not getting sanctions taken off, they're simply being allowed to trade oil, which probably would involve some sanctions being taken off, but, but specifically for that purpose, then I think the pressure can remain on them. And the President and some of his advisors had dreamed from the beginning that the way to solve this is to get Iran into the community of nations to cross with. For a time they were calling the Golden Bridge. So you're right to be skeptical about the Middle east. We're all right to be skeptical about Iran. But this is the President who struck the deal between Israel and, and Gaza. That deal's been stalled out. But between that and the Abraham Accords, he's been made more forward progress in the region than any of his recent predecessors. And so maybe this will be a deal that the Iranians can be coaxed into and maybe if the so called moderates are ascended, there can be the kind of economic connection that really is the key for a lot of folks to say. You can never deal with Iran in good faith as long as the, the religious extremists are in charge. But maybe this can change things if their economy is offered kind of a tie up with the U.S. well, let's

[Blake]

talk incentives here then, Mark, because a lot of times deals get done when the incentives align. All right, so Iran's got these wells that if they have to shut them off because they run out of storage, you might not ever be able to turn them back on. Right. Okay. That's a huge incentive. Even if you're a hardliner and even if you sort of don't care about your own people, that is something to consider. It's a huge pressure point. So they're incentivized to at least open the straight back up. Whether or not they'll actually play ball in the nuclear, we don't know. All right. And that's the one thing I'm a little bit skeptical with this deal is like, okay, why don't you let us have the nuclear, then we'll open the straight. I Kind of want the points reversed. Secondly, though, politically here at home, we have to be realist about the political incentives. If we get gas under $3 on average across the country again heading into November, that's a huge boon to the, to the President and to the economy. Those things seem to be in alignment. Do you think that's enough to push this to the President signing it? You know what I mean? It's like he's got to be a realist about this. Are you hearing that he's as concerned about that as maybe I am or you might be.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean the order of operations is exactly what you said, but not only for the reasons you said, which is getting the nuclear done, some people think will take many months and some people think will take years. Okay. That's a much different timetable than the President needs to be on both politically and economically for reopening the strait. So this is why you're going to hear skepticism, including from some neocons and from some independent analysts, which is to say opening the strait has benefits for both sides. There's been a paradox that I think held up a deal. Both sides want the straight open long term, but short term, opening the strait is a disadvantage for both sides. Iran gives up its leverage over the President regarding gas prices in the midterms and the President gives up leverage over Iran for what you said, which is now they're, they're the pressure on them if to not have to shut down their oil facilities and do permanent damage goes away. So this is a sign of trust, a sign of good faith. Of course, even if they agree to it, one, one drone or one attack on one ship can make a big difference. There's lots of questions in the oil industry and the shipping industry about even if they agree today, how soon insurers and captains can get moving again to move ships through and how soon that will impact prices. But the nuclear piece is just very complicated and that's assuming that Iran is operating in some level of good faith, which the Vice President said last night. They are operating currently in good faith and be great if they do. But even if they want to get this done, it's going to be a complicated process. And that again assumes that the hardliners don't reassert their power over the process.

[Blake]

Yeah, and I think it's again, all this caution is super warranted. I'm not trying to be glass half full, rose colored glasses. I'm simply saying politically getting this deal done makes all the sense in the world. If it can be done Right. And the caution. Yeah. In the caution that you're mentioning, Mark, here about, you know, we're not sure if the chain of command is being followed strictly in an essentialized way. In Iran, you could have factions that are controlling different parts of the IRGC or the Revolutionary Guard. Right. And they could spring an attack on one of these vessels completely outside of the chain of the command that has been established in this framework. And then what do you do? So there's lots of questions remaining.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah. Look, you're right about two things for sure that I'll emphasize. One is these ships aren't going to just go through. They're going to need to be safe. And just saying the blockade's off and Iran is going to let free passage go doesn't help the insurers get insurance in place, doesn't reassure the captains and crews, and doesn't keep a rogue element in Iran from striking. And we don't know what would happen in that instance. The other thing is if the deal is anything like what the president said on truth social media, good for him. Because this is exceeds my expectations from a few hours ago about what the best possible deal would be for him and for the United States politically and geopolitically to get the process going because the status quo was untenable for the President. It was untenable politically and geopolitically. Diplomatically. He needed a change. And this is under the circumstances. Again, if the president's outline is correct, this is exceeds what I thought was possible under the current circumstances.

[Blake]

Well. And I think it could be legacy building, certainly, but also this political. The political ramifications are extremely huge. Blake, you have a question? I know we've only got a minute and a half left. We could take it on the other side if we need to.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Yeah. Well, I think another topic that's been taking up a lot of attention in Washington and online, but we haven't talked about it much on this show. And it's causing a rift between the president and Republicans in Congress. Is this effort to get an anti weaponization fund going via the courts. Obviously, we know President Trump faced a lot of legal attacks. A lot of his allies faced a lot of legal attacks and they've tried to engineer this. I think it's about 1.7, $1.8 billion fund for people who say that they have been the target of weaponized lawfare from the DOJ in the past. The president is hoping to get this. Republicans are pretty skeptical. Obviously, Democrats are saying it's completely beyond the pale as of this moment, a federal judge is holding it up. But I thought maybe going on the other side, Mark, if you have thoughts on the overall situation of him attempting to get this, is it as unprecedented as it looks? And is it going to be the sort of thing that becomes a distraction over the course of this summer?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like if your excellent summary and narrative of the situation left that one key fact, which is it's not just Democrats who object to this. A lot of Republicans object to it too, including Republican senators who are now holding up the President's desired reconciliation package to fund homeland Security because they don't want any part of this. And sometimes in an election year with an unpopular president, the President's poll numbers are currently not good. You see objections that are based on politics. And there's no doubt that Republican senators in the main think the politics of this are bad, but they also don't like the substance of it. For the reason you suggested. This is not normal, what was done here. It would take a while to explain all the reasons that are not normal. Have presidents controlled money before and doled it out to their cronies? Sure. But the nature of how this came about and the nature of what it is is politically toxic. Again, not in the view of Democrats, only not in the view of reporters, but in the view of a lot of Republicans. And so whatever the disposition of it is in the courts, and as you said, a district court judge has held it up, there'll certainly be appeals. I don't believe this thing will ever happen in anything like the form it's in. I believe Republican senators are gonna make the President either significantly change it or kill it.

[Blake]

Mark, I have to ask you about this. I'm sort of convinced there's not a whole lot of significance here, but I do find it interesting that Jill Biden is now trying to set the record straight. On the infamous debate night, she gets up on stage and said, you answered all the questions, Joe. Which was probably untrue. But she's now admitting that she was worried. Did he have a stroke? Was he drugged? Was he sabotaged?

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Which sounds equally implausible to me, to be honest. Cuz she had to see him every single day.

[Blake]

Yeah, but he was never like, oh God. She says, are they gonna think that he was always like this? Jill, we have news for you. He was always like this. And we saw it with our own two eyes. Your thoughts, Mark.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think the biggest thing that was revealed is the Bidens don't have C span, because if they did, Jill Biden would have seen this. I find this whole thing really troubling. It's a fun story. And I know I, I predicted you guys would ask me about it because it's fun and it's interesting, but they're two fundamental things. Jill Biden's job is to protect her family, protect her husband. So her lying about this, I just, I chalk it up to whatever. But it's, it's, it's troubling that she had an opportunity not to respond in the heat of the moment, but to write a book, to think about what she wanted history to think her view of this was. And obviously she didn't think her husband was on drugs or having a stroke or she would have done something differently on the night of the debate. So I find that all just kind of annoying. What I continue to be more troubled by is the dominant media's reaction to this is, oh, my goodness, look what Jill Biden is saying. And then say, well, it doesn't make sense because right after the debate she said, he did such a good job. No, the reaction should be, you know what, now it's time for us to come clean on the role we played in the COVID up. Because anyone who looked at that night and was surprised, or as Joe Biden said, oh, my God, he must be having a stroke. If that was the product of a stroke, then the guy had strokes on a regular basis for seven years, and he's a medical miracle for having lived through it. So, I mean, to me, that's just depressing to once again watch the media be like, oh, we're figuring it out now. We caught Jill Biden in a lie. She obviously didn't think he was having a stroke. No. It's an opportunity to say, once again, we failed you, the American people. We should have told you this sooner. But obviously Jill Biden's not telling the truth. And obviously we didn't tell you the truth because we act surprised on debate night too.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

And you're right, and we should come clean. Not just for moral reasons, but we really went through something incredibly dicey with that, which is, yeah, we don't. Who was actually the President in 2019, in 2023, 2024? President Trump has raised the question, did President Biden's pardons, was he actually aware of that? All of them at any point were his policies, were his executive orders, were they actually routing through the president or through this small cabal of people who had access to him? And I think we actually do need to get to the bottom of that, or it raises Serious questions about the nature of our system. Even if you, it's not just President Trump's jokes about having, you know, the auto signature machine in the Rose Garden. It really raises concerns about our system.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen. And it raises questions about the people around the president, the Cabinet, the senior White House staff, his family. It raises questions about the president himself. And I'll say again what I said at the time. Joe Biden was not as far gone as his critics said, but he was not as with it as his defenders said. And people in that state have good days and bad days. And he had some good days. He had good days. You look at the State of the Union he gave that very, the year, the presidential race, he had good days. But it also, I go back to the media, it raises questions about the media, about the American Medical association, about members of Congress. All these members of Congress say now, oh, privately, I saw how bad he was, or I had no idea. I'm sick of people being asked, did you have any idea? Of course they had an idea because they all have C span. So unlike the Bidens. And so it's troubling about the whole system. Not just that we had a commander in chief in place who obviously couldn't do the job and was inclined to run again, but about the entire society's failure to say the emperor has no clothes, you know, the emperor has no clothes is a, is a great parable and it's often used. I can't think of a more apt moment to use it. We all saw the president was naked. We all saw it. And yet, with few exceptions, conservative media being one of them, me being another, no one would say it. Even the congressman from Minnesota, whose name I always forget, who ran for president briefly, even he pulled his punches. He wasn't totally honest about what was happening. And then yet you know, every other member of Congress. And then only because he was a threat to the party's chances in the, in the election down ballot. Only then did Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and others speak out. Not because they said, oh my God, we're, yeah, oh my God, we're, we're endangering the health and safety of America. No, we spoke. They spoke out because, oh my God, we could lose to Donald Trump. And down ballot candidates could lose, too. It's a, it's just a horrible, horrible failure of accountability across the board.

[Blake]

Well, and Mark, I will just tell you, we had Brooke Rollins in studio yesterday and we played the interview earlier. When you hear their stories, not just what we shared on the show because, you know, they come in and we greet them and say, how's it going? And they're telling us, like, when we got under the hood here, the amount of fraud, mismanagement, and comp. It was like a bunch of kids running around with no teacher around. Like, I'm telling you, under the Biden. And obviously some of that is filtered through a political lens. I'm biased, I admit it. But it's crazy how much fraud was going on, how much grift was going on. And listen, I get that that's always sort of baked into the cake politically, but it's shocking. And when you hear stories like this and when you look back at the four years of Biden, you realize just how, you know, the country was not being run. Well, I think that's fair to say. Mark, I know you gotta. I got. You gotta dart here, so I'll let you go. But thank you for making the time this morning, and we appreciate it, as always, my friend.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks, guys. Great to see you both. Looking forward to being back.

[Blake]

All right, so a big busy hour. We got our eyes on President Trump and this Iranian peace deal. Listen, whatever you make of it, if you want to see regime change, you want to see, I get it. But this is a good deal if we can get it done. And so all eyes are on Iran, because all eyes will then be on the US where they should be.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right?

[Blake]

If you want to be focused domestically, if you want to be focused on the midterms, you want this deal done. Okay? So pray for peace. Pray for President Trump. Pray that the right people would rise to the occasion in Iran and they would come to the fore, and that the hardliners would be pushed out, the naysayers would be pushed out. On both sides, by the way, on our side as well. We want peace. We want domestic tranquility. We want to be focused on the issues that will drive out the vote here, right here at home. So pray for peace. Today. We're going to be watching it very closely. Here's what your financial advisor won't tell you. By the time the news tells you to buy gold, it's too late. You're waiting. I get it. Everybody's waiting, waiting to see if the ceasefire holds, waiting to see if the Strait of Hormuz reopens, waiting to see what happens next. But gold isn't waiting for you. It moves on fear, on instability, on the unknown, and it moves faster than you can react. So while you're waiting for certainty, the rest of the world is planning for what comes next. You can wait or you can get prepared. You can't do both. Remember, the best time to put on a seatbelt is before the accident, not after. If you're ready to act, reach out to my friends at Noble Gold Investments. They help Americans protect their savings with physical gold and silver shipped to your door or held in a tax advantaged IRA. No taxes, no penalties to rollover a 401 or existing IRA. Give them a call at 877-6465-3478-7746-5347 or visit noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk that's noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk for your free investor kit. Five minutes today could protect decades of savings. Noblegold investments.com/kirk if you are a member at members.charlie kirk.com you get to call in right here to this show and be a part of the show. Ask whatever questions you want. Seems like every week, Blake, we have some question go viral for good or for ill. This week we have Daisy with us. The one and only Daisy who takes good care of us around here. Yes, she did have a baby. And yes, the baby is exceptionally cute. And I'm like a tough grader on

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

babies phase of baby that like maximal cute phase. I like.

[Blake]

Yes, about. It's a. I'm a tough grader with babies. If I don't think your baby's cute, I probably just won't say anything. You know, Daisy's baby's pretty cute.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Erica]

I appreciate it. Unfortunately, none of these people will ever see what she looks like. But she is very cute.

[Blake]

Well, exactly. So we're gonna keep that to wraps. But that's all right. We are. We gotta ask us anything. So we have a first collar. Do we have it ready?

[Erica]

Jonathan is first.

[Blake]

Jonathan, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself.

[Brooke Rollins]

Yes.

[Blake]

How goes? Hey, it goes well. It's Friday. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I have a few questions here. First up, is there gonna be a Student Action Summit this year? No. Good question. We actually do Student Action Summit every other year so that people don't know that. And I don't know, it's come up before in private conversations, but it's an every other year thing. So this year just happens to be our off year. We're doing Women's Leadership Summit in what, just next week, right?

[Erica]

Yes, San Antonio.

[Blake]

San Antonio. So that's the summer programming this year, but. But it will be back next year, never fear. Okay, good. Can you set up tickets for us to get lunch, dinner with some of the speakers at AM Fest. Man, that would be interesting.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I would like to get lunch together

[Erica]

with some of them.

[Blake]

Yeah. What's that, Like a.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Like a VIP thing or something?

[Blake]

Well, yeah, Maybe there's a raffle or. Or some sort of. Say that again. Yeah, like some extra ticket we can buy to get lunch, dinner with some of the speakers. You know, I kind of, like. I kind of love this idea. Let. Let me kick it around. Some speakers obviously, would be more willing to do such things than others, but that's a fun idea. I like that.

[Erica]

We've done. In the past, we've done a lot of, like, win roundtables with speakers where you have.

[Blake]

But we like film conversations with them.

[Erica]

Right. And I think that. I think that a lot of them would be willing.

[Blake]

So I was gonna say, if you filmed it, would you be less inclined to participate in something like that or more inclined?

[Charlie Kirk]

I really wanted to be filmed.

[Blake]

I'd love that. Oh, cool. See, there you go. That's always interesting to kind of hear your take on it, the audience's take on it, if that something they'd want. Some people maybe want more privacy. I don't know. But I think that'd be really fun. Let me kick it around with the team, and we'll see what we can do.

[Erica]

Who. Who are you hoping to have at amfest this year? Who would you want. Who would you want to get lunch or dinner with?

[Charlie Kirk]

Probably Tucker Carlson and Officer Tatum.

[Blake]

Officer Tatum. Oh, wow. That's quite the spectrum you got there. Blake used to. Blake knows Tucker very well.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

He's very personable at dinners.

[Blake]

He's a very charming lad. Whatever you think. I mean, I know Tucker's made a lot of news for some of his.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

He will recent interviews probably continue to make news.

[Blake]

He is a remarkably charismatic and charming individual in person, I can tell you. His whole team.

[Erica]

You hear it throughout the entire. Wherever you are. Exactly.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Okay. I probably shouldn't do that.

[Blake]

It's. I think it's, like, trademarked at this point. Do you have any other questions, Jonathan? Yes. Is there any other big rhinos we're

[Charlie Kirk]

looking to defeat this year that we

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

really big rhinos we need to defeat? Oh, well, the big one we really want to take out. You're thinking the same guy as me, the lady Graham, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. He's kind of the white whale of rhinos. He survives every reelection bid. I think we've tried to take him out two or three times at this Point. But he's like a cockroach of Washington. He's very difficult to bring down.

[Blake]

Yeah, I think, listen, if Lady Graham went away, that would be great. I mean, and just a note of, you know, optimism and positivity. Right. We have all these priorities that we want to get past that we can't because of the 60 vote threshold in the Senate. But if you think about it, and really you need about 50 plus 1 with JD to nuke the filibuster. But we can't get there because we don't have enough votes. But think about. Tillis is going away, probably replaced by a Democrat. So that's not super helpful. But at least he's going away. He's a thorn on our side. You've got. Now you got Cassidy in Louisiana. He lost his primary. Cornyn, he lost his primary. So these are good developments. And the Senate is getting better and better. Now, I want to keep your eyes on Mike. Mike Rogers. No, no, Mike Collins. I was mixing two names together. And then Rogers, and that's in Georgia and then Rogers in Michigan. Those are two races that I am watching very, very closely. So we gotta, we gotta get rid of Ossoff. Now, the odds are not in our favor because it's tough to take down an incumbent. Georgia's basically a 50, 50 state right now, but that's a race that I would love to have. Same with Michigan. So we're keeping our eyes on those races. And you know what we've seen, though, another thing that we should mention is what happened in Indiana. You know, that was, that was a state level, state senators that had gotten the way of redistricting and we took out all the rhinos there. So it is, it is prime rhino season, rhino hunting season. And we got to keep our, our eye on that. And it just, again, to encourage the audience, we're getting better and better and better both at the House level and in the Senate level. So.

[Erica]

And we would be remiss to not talk about. Tyler mentioned. We really want people to travel here in October. Do we want to go into that a little more?

[Blake]

Yeah. Go to tpaction.com you can volunteer. We're actually hiring right now. I think we had a class of 32 new ballot chasers here in the office yesterday training up to become ballot chasers here in Arizona. We're also doing ballot chasing in Nevada. We're doing ballot chasing in New Hampshire. So three states you're gonna actually get full time work in. But if you can't do that and you want to Volunteer some time. We're gonna be doing huge, huge groups of volunteers. We'll train you up, we'll put you in the field, we'll give you a hotel room and you get to go be a ballot chaser for a couple weeks, a month during election month that we now unfortunately have.

[Erica]

I actually remember a couple, I think it was in 2024, there was a couple who called in and they were members. They called in on AMA and they were asking Charlie a question, but they told him about how they were coming to HQ to be ballot chasers from California. And Charlie was like, you have to come to the studio. Comes. It was there, I think their 20 year anniversary when they came. And so they, they got to come not only be ballot chasers, but they also had an amazing. Charlie gave them the tour, the studio. It was, they were so sweet.

[Blake]

I actually had one of them, one of the battle chasers came by yesterday that DM me and said, hey, I'm going to be training for battle chasing. Can I come say hi? Said, yeah, of course.

[Erica]

So you never know what happens.

[Blake]

Yeah, she was in the studio yesterday. We're willing to help come be a ballot chaser in Arizona or New Hampshire or Nevada and help us us win the midterms. All right, next question. We've got. Who is it? Is it David?

[Erica]

Yes.

[Blake]

David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself. How are we doing today? I'm doing great. How about you, sir? Good, I'm doing okay. My question is, we're in California. What do you think about the veteran who lost his life with the Trump flags and when we as conservatives kind of swing back and we run into violence? Because I see you guys deal a lot. Yeah, well, we just had a report yesterday of somebody was arrested in San Antonio for making threats against Erica Kirk in our event. We've been monitoring that very closely, I want to assure you. So if you saw those news reports, please know we have every confidence that that event is going to be extraordinarily safe. We've got great security precautions in place, monitoring all the threats as we always do. We've got great partners in law enforcement, federally and locally. So all that is good. But yeah, I mean, it's an unfortunate reality of our daily life that we have to be aware of crazy people doing crazy things, whether they're motivated from bad actors online or just political disagreements. There is no doubt that the left is getting more and more violent and the rise of assassination culture is ever present. David has asked about this incident that happened in Southern California, where a veteran who was sort of known, it turns out, in the neighborhood for what they called the Trump House. So he put lots of flags out, was very proud about his support of the president.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Pro Trump House.

[Blake]

Big pro Trump House.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

He got assaulted by an individual suspect. The suspect, also a veteran. They've been reporting on that fellow. It appears the suspect is Thomas Caleb Butler.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

And he apparently had a history of violence, including towards his own family. I'm sure Jack Posobic would make much of the fact that there's a photo of him wearing a Star wars shirt.

[Blake]

That picture, the one that's going around. And he played with Legos, apparently. So he was a big Lego guy and a big Star wars guy. I don't know that there's any connection to those things. Jack was calling for a boycott of Star wars, so he likes that fact. I don't see any necessary connection to it, but he was, he had a long history of mental health problems. And the other thing that's interesting about this story and why I'm not jumping to conclusions, why I'm not tweeting out a storm about it, is that apparently it's been reported that he, he liked the Trump House and was positive about the Trump House at some point and that he also was more on the conservative side, at least historically. Now the interesting part here is that he, the wife, guess the victim's wife tried to intervene. He started hurling abuse at her, shouting at her, and called her a pedophile or a pedophile protector, one of the two. So that makes me think it's all some sort of like Epstein brain warp thing.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

It could be. And a lot of these people, there's just a lot of very troubled people. And that's why we talk more generally, why it's so irresponsible, what a lot of leaders in this country have done. When we talked about this with ice, for example, when if Democrats or Republicans, but if individ politicians go out and say our leaders are the equivalent of Nazis, isis, Gestapo, they're trying to do a new Holocaust. This Epstein class, they're abducting children and they're cannibalizing them with some of the insane stuff they've said. They know that they're not being literal. Some, a lot of people know they're not being literal. But especially vulnerable individuals will take that a lot more literally. We've seen that with the transgender motivated shooters. That seems to have played a role in tragically what happened to Charlie, that these people hear these things, that if we don't want to mutilate kids. That means we're perpetrating a genocide. And when you say that to unstable people, they will think, well, I, I don't like genocide. I need to stop the genocide. I'm going to pick up a gun and use it.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

And we absolutely need to call out all rhetoric of that nature because it can destroy this country. As for ourselves as individuals, as always, there's no substitute for just being ready and being prepared yourself. In red states, you're allowed to.

[Blake]

I'm highly armed.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Yeah. Have. You're allowed to have guns in your home. You should have guns in your home because in the end there.

[Blake]

That fast.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Yeah. The cops. The cops might not get there. Or I, you know, I used to not have a gun. And what changed my mind was when the Floyd riots happened in Minneapolis and the police pulled out of downtown Minneapolis and they just ditched it and they let a few blocks just get burned down. People lost their homes, lost their business, and the cops just didn't show up. They gave up. They abandoned it. And I thought to myself, I thought to myself, I will never be caught in a situation where I am helpless because the police have abandoned me, period. And that's a good mentality to have

[Blake]

a big fan of the rooftop Koreans.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Rooftop Koreans. You know, it's not that you saw that we despise the police. It's not that we want to get rid of police, but we have to remember that the left does like to get rid of police. The left does like to create anarchy and to unleash mobs on people. And sometimes the only person who can stand up to a mob and protect your family is yourself.

[Erica]

Well, I will just say we already were armed in our home, but ever since bringing home our baby, I'm like, we have to have ready for any situation. If anyone were to come into my house, I know they would not be okay. My husband would not tolerate that.

[Blake]

She is a Taylor Swift fan, but she is based. Don't let that fool you.

[Charlie Kirk]

We exist.

[Blake]

Elizabeth, you're up next. Unmute yourself.

[Erica]

Michael said. My baby.

[Caller or Audience Member]

Hi, everybody. How are you today?

[Blake]

Doing well, thanks, Elizabeth. How are you?

[Caller or Audience Member]

I'm well, thank you. The reason that I was calling is the judge Diana Hagan in Utah stepped down on May 8. She was credibly accused of having an affair with lead counsel David Raymond. They were working on the redistricting case, and we lost the seat to Democrats in that. And also I had questions about Harkenrider v. Hochul, where they redid the primaries in August just for the congressional seats. So my first one is with the Utah case. That's obvious corruption. Can we get that overturned based on the fact that, that she was having an affair with the League Council and the Harkinder v. Hochul case, they found that the original congressional seats were wrong and they had to redo them. And so they did a second primary in August just for the congressional seats. Could that be something that we could do in other states?

[Blake]

So I've heard about this Utah. Yeah.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Very interesting.

[Blake]

Very. And that is all true what you said, that the judge did end up resigning in the, you know, their Governor Cox and a lot of other state level leaders, I think even Mike Lee have called for an independent investigation. But I am being told credibly that no, we cannot overturn the current court ordered congressional redistricting map for 2026. I don't know if that's a legal issue or a timing issue. You could expect that those will get redone for 2028 though. And so it's too late for 2026. For whatever reason. I will poke some holes in that and say, see, but that, but that's what I'm being told. Because when I saw that news come out, I instantly candidly fired off text messages to everybody in Utah that I knew and asked, can we, can we get this overturned? And they said it's too late.

[Caller or Audience Member]

They be disbarred.

[Blake]

Could she be disbarred?

[Caller or Audience Member]

And the lawyer.

[Blake]

Yeah, I mean, it's a process. Absolutely.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Depends on Utah state process.

[Blake]

Yeah. It's probably going through the process. That's why they want to do the independent investigation. Probably to come up with some findings that they could then leverage to exact some, some justice and accountability there. Yeah. And actually in a state like Utah, I would have some faith that it would actually get done.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Yeah. And even if we can't overturn it directly, it's possible that they'll. It seems like they're going to possibly just repopulate the Supreme Court, change their Supreme Court rules to get a new result if they can bring it before it again.

[Blake]

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[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

The Great American State Fair.

[Blake]

Yeah, State fair. And many of those names were from yesteryear. With your experience hosting the All American Halftime show, can you give some inside advice to those planning an event like that and keeping the artists on board? Okay, this is a really big topic right now on social media, so it looks like Martina McBride, Brett Michaels.

[Erica]

Brett Michaels, Commodores Morris Day, Young MC and Martina McBride have all dropped out so far. Flo Rida and Vanilla Ice are still in.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Oh, boy.

[Erica]

If you're interested in those, head on down.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Ice. Ice, baby.

[Blake]

Yeah. So my take on this is very simple, as we did host the All American halftime show. But I will tell you, it was hard. It was really hard. Lining up the artists was hard. We would get a yes from some artists, and then their managers would get involved, and they were like, don't go up against the big bad football league. And they don't want that because it could cause them problems down the line. So you have to kind of respect that. You have to work with the artists that you can work with. And I'll say it again, Kid Rock has my undying support. I'm a huge fan now because he just had the guts to do it, and not many people do have the guts to do it. Now, when it comes to this state fair, what really is appalling to me, to your point, is that a lot of these guys are washed up, has beens, stars from yesteryears, and we're still getting the run around from them. They're still telling us, oh, I can't get involved. I thought this was nonpartisan and all this. Well, it is. It's a celebration of the country, you idiots. And so we shouldn't have to be prostrating ourselves as conservatives before the altar of pop culture to like, throw us your co. Crumbs. Please, please, please. What we should do is it should be a celebration of Americana. I don't care if the artists are famous. Give me banjo players, give me bluegrass.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

They should just get not famous performers.

[Blake]

That's what I'm saying.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Just. I don't.

[Blake]

Screw these guys.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I don't think you need to get star power for something like this. I think, honestly, there's probably a lot of criminally underrated and underappreciated people, especially. Yeah, you mentioned banjo players. You can probably find a virtuoso banjo player, fiddle player, someone who just stuff that's very associated with classic America. And you could probably get them. Put them up there, and they'll just kill it, and everyone will think, that was awesome. That was really cool. I don't usually see something like that versus getting these guys out, but it's been part of the struggle with the 250th anniversary, and we got put in a tough spot. One of the things that we got stuck with is they started America 250 a decade ago. To prep for this. But then the lead up to this was we had four years of Biden during the George Floyd era. They staffed it full of people who. They're like, you know what 250 years of America should be a chance to do? Let's celebrate white guilt. Let's talk about how America is bad and everyone should feel really bad. So they created this Freedom250 thing to very accelerated. Try to make fun stuff people would actually like. Like the big state fair. They're doing that IndyCar race in D.C. the UFC. Yeah, the UFC. More fun stuff that really vibes with the American public. But it's short notice. They have less money than they really deserve to have. It's. It's a bummer. I talked to my parents about what the bicentennial was like in 1976, and they said it was like it was the 4th of July all year long. Just in the little touches that really stood out. My dad remembered that they painted the fire hydrants in his town, the American flag to mark the bicentennial.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Erica]

Well, I think that I have two things. One, I would love to know you talked about how this started under a different administration, if that was the situation we're dealing with. And they were posed to hoist Hosta America 250. Freedom 250. I wonder who would line up to celebrate there, because it's not even like they are wanting to celebrate America. It's a lot about we want to change America. We don't like the way America is negative, negative, negative. So I wonder who would even want to be there celebrating 250 years of America. It'd probably be a festival of crying liberal tears that get an invocation that only white people can succeed in this country.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

We could get a benediction from Reverend Wright and he could do his whole.

[Erica]

It'd probably be more of a repriman. Repro. Repriman. What. What word am I saying?

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Reprimand.

[Erica]

Yes. Then it would be a celebration.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Yeah.

[Erica]

So that would not be dodged.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I think whatever issues we have. One of the things, and Charlie was very excited about this, was that we were having the World cup. We're having the 250th anniversary. We're having the Olympics. It's a big run of big America pageantry celebration. And it would have just been excruciating to have Kamala Harris as president for all three of those things.

[Blake]

And we should say just really quickly, you know, Spin magazine seems to be the starting point for a lot of this controversy. They called it a Trump Sort of aligned event or Trump backed event. It's not to Blake's point. This is a commission that's been put together that has liberals on it, has Democrats on it, has conservatives on it. Right. And these were lower tiered people. Here's what I would say. I am not going to any of these. Name me all the acts that dropped out.

[Erica]

Bret Michaels. Martina McBride.

[Blake]

Loser.

[Erica]

Hey, Martina. I know one of her songs back in the day. The Commodore.

[Blake]

Losers.

[Erica]

I'm sorry. Morris Day and Young mc.

[Blake]

All losers. I will never. Not that I really do, dude, to be perfectly honest. But if you are a fan of these people, stop supporting their music. Absolute cowardice. Moral cowards. This is an event for the whole country. It's supposed to bring people together. Instead, you've used it as an opportunity to humiliate the country and embarrass everyone. Up yours. That's my personal opinion. But yeah, that's my. That's my big take. Screw trying to get in tight with these like has beens of these stars of yesterday. No, we're not going to be told what to do by you losers. Okay? Get some people that celebrate the country. Get. I don't care what it is like, get line dancing. Get banjo players, bluegrass. Get jazz performers. Get anybody that will do it and just celebrate great music. Get great, great music. We don't care if we know your name. This needs to be about America, not about these losers. That's my opinion.

[Erica]

Well, think about. It's called the Great American State Fair. There's so much more to a state fair than just like they might have a concert at night, but there's. It's about being together food. Yes. It's about family fun. Being outside, just tradition. It's. There's so much more to it.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

It's so last minute. But this is a nimble administration. They should do some sort of great American deep fry competition. What is the best food you can deep fry?

[Blake]

Deep fried butter.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Deep fried butterfly Oreos. Deep fried. Yeah, we've seen deep fried Oreos. We've seen deep fried hot dogs. But we need like deep fry an entire hamburger with all of the.

[Erica]

I'm sure. I'm sure that has already happened.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

Fry. Deep fry. Eggs Benedict. Deep fry.

[Blake]

I don't know what it is. Anyways, that's my take and I'm sticking to it. I literally have nothing but loathing and condemnation for the cowards that are embarrassing the country. But you know what? Moving on, moving on. We have an America to celebrate and this is still the greatest country in the history of the planet Earth. And I don't care that these people think we're systemically oppressed. They're wrong. They're illiterates. They're historically inaccurate. They don't know what they're talking about. So that's my, that's my spiel. Who we got next?

[Erica]

We have Maddie.

[Blake]

Maddie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself. Maddie.

[Brooke Rollins]

Hi. I actually have two questions if that's okay.

[Blake]

Yeah, sure.

[Erica]

So I'm actually going to WLS next week.

[Blake]

Great.

[Brooke Rollins]

I was just curious if you knew if there's going to be any like

[Erica]

Bible study or like worship event, something like that. Yes, I will be there. I'll see you there. I said earlier that none of these people will see my baby. If you're at wls, you might cuz she'll be with me. It's a girls event. It's her first one.

[Blake]

I have to bring her at this event. There are so many babies.

[Erica]

That's what I was like. This is the perfect conference to bring her to. It's so many moms, kids, friends. It's so sweet to just see everyone getting along together. But yes, there will be worship on Sunday morning and faith based speakers on Sunday. I think honestly I'm really excited. I'm also not only bringing my baby, I'm bringing my mom because I was like, mom, I have to work so you can take my baby and enjoy the, enjoy the conference. But you know, we have Erica, Kayleigh, McNaney, Judd, Janine, Alex Clark, Ali Baki, Riley Gaines, Dana Loesch, Savannah Chrisley, Kristen Hawkins. So many more. And it is so fun. Is this your first time?

[Brooke Rollins]

It'll actually be my second.

[Erica]

Okay. Okay. Well, I think it's. I really am happy with the way the event is going this direction. Yeah, it's, it's really holistic, empowered, redeemed. I think that's the slogan. And it's really being able to see the way that WLS has kind of transformed over the years. And I've been watching all of Charlie's speeches back the last couple weeks leading up to WLS and just seeing all the different topics that he covered and how the event has transformed. I'm really excited. I think it'll be great.

[Blake]

Yep. It's gonna be great.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

She had a second question, right?

[Blake]

Yep.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Blake]

What's your second question? I was curious.

[Brooke Rollins]

Do you think women voters are gonna hurt the Republican Party more than usual in the midterms? Just with how many men I know staying home instead of voting?

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

I mean it's definitely tough. This is. This is the thing Charlie always struggled about, fought for. He pointed out women are more likely to just. They're good at checking boxes, they're good at fulfilling obligations compared to men. And one of those obligations is voting. So young women are more likely to vote. And we also know they're more likely to vote Democrat. In fact, as much as, hey, we've made of young men turning to the right, a lot of it is young men have moved five points to the right. And young women, in some elections, they've moved 10, 15, 20, 25 points to left. If you're an unmarried young woman, they're very left wings. A lot of them still vote, and it could definitely be a hazard.

[Blake]

Well, and yeah, to Blake's point, they vote more often, more reliably, and they vote more and more left, and they've gotten more and more radical. So, yeah, it is a problem. It's a definite problem. And I think it's doubly compounded because a lot of young men, if you look between Epstein and what's happened in Iran, they're giving in. Denialism. And that's part of our job here, is to say, don't give in to the black pilling and the doomerism. Don't do that. Young men, things are progressing in many ways, and this administration is head and shoulders above what Kamala would have been. So don't give in to the black pilling. Stay the course. Keep the faith. This country is worth fighting for. So we need the men to show up because the women probably will. And that's the sad reality of it. And they're getting more and more radicalized. I'm telling you, one of the reasons I love WLS is, is because it's not a feminist celebration conference. There's some haters online that'll call it that. It's not that at all. It's like, how do I be a better mother? How do I raise my kids? How do I be more godly? And that's. And how do we be more healthy as a country? It's beautiful things. So anyways, come to wls. Check it out. It's going to be very, very worthwhile women to step up. All right, next up, we have. Oh, wait, I wanted to WLS question the wls.

[Erica]

We have some really, really cute hats and shirts that are going.

[Blake]

Brand new merch, Launching new merch.

[Erica]

There's going to be some WLS exclusive merch there, but we will have this hat there. God, family, country, and forever Kirk. Those are both on charliekirkstore.com and if you're not gonna be WS, you can still get one. They are really such nice quality. We literally just got the boxes in my office, like 10 minutes ago, so.

[Blake]

So if you're well wls, you can get these, but you can also get [e-mail] Charliekirkstore.com. right. I got the URL right.

[Erica]

Yes, exactly.

[Blake]

Charliekirkstore.com youm will not be disappointed, Heidi. All the work she can handle, she'll be getting those orders out to y' all very soon.

[Erica]

Yes.

[Blake]

So check it out. All right, Rain, you are on the Charlie Kirk show. Please unmute yourself. Welcome.

[Caller or Audience Member]

Hey. I'm so happy you called on me. Okay. Do y' all remember me? I'm the one that had the bracelet after the Charlie Kirk memorial.

[Blake]

Yes. Yes. Good to hear from you again, Rain. Yes. Hey.

[Caller or Audience Member]

Okay, so I can't believe I'm asking this question, but I want to get involved so badly. I want to help y' all with ballot chasing.

[Blake]

Great.

[Caller or Audience Member]

So what are. What are the prerequisites or what is the criteria? Like, okay, so I have an emotional support animal, A little cavalier King Charles spaniel by the name, by the way. So, like, would it be okay if, like, I brought my mom to the hotel room with Charlie?

[Blake]

Are you talking about volunteer?

[Caller or Audience Member]

I do. I want to stay as long as I can. I just don't want to be away from. From him. And I would bring my mom with me. I mean, we would drive from Baton Rouge, from Louisiana. I want to help. I want to get involved very badly.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

That's amazing.

[Blake]

I love that. So, yeah, we we're going to be doing our volunteer efforts probably starting in September, October time period. Would you want to come to Arizona? Is that kind of what you're thinking? Or Nevada or New Hampshire, probably with

[Caller or Audience Member]

y' all over there.

[Erica]

Your dog will love October Arizona weather.

[Blake]

Yes. So if you just go to the tpaction.com website, they have a fill out a sign up form here.

[Caller or Audience Member]

Can I write this?

[Blake]

Yeah. TPaction.com maybe our team, our crack team in the studio can put tpaction.com there and you just click that. Yep. Tpaction.com There's a kind of a hamburger menu bar in the upper right hand corner. Just click get involved.

[Caller or Audience Member]

Upper right. Get involved. Okay.

[Blake]

Yeah. And it has a little sign up form. And it. So it's what are you interested in the options? And I'm gonna read all the options just for those listening. All the things that you can get involved in, become a precinct leader, join a TP Action coalition. So we have like a moms coalition, a ranchers coalition, farmers coalition, Hispanic coalition, all those kinds of things. You could attend a Turning Point action event, becoming a poll watcher, joining younger Republicans club, getting involved with the county gop, knocking doors for local candidates. Become a precinct, register to vote, become a precinct chair. All these things. So you.

[Caller or Audience Member]

What would I register at to help y'?

[Brooke Rollins]

All?

[Blake]

Yeah, so you could do any of those, but probably knocking doors. It would be the box that you would check. And then we'll get you in our. Our volunteer pipeline. And then when we're ready to get you in a hotel room and get you out. And yes, you could probably bring your. I mean, I haven't checked with Tyler yet. I'm sure we've had this.

[Erica]

No, Tyler said yes. They're encouraged. Friends, families, babies, dogs.

[Blake]

Yep. So we'll take you all. Yep. So tpaction.com. it's right there on the screen. You can get involved. And so that is the same for Rain, but it's the same for all of you watching. We know that there is tens of thousands of you watching all over the country. Get involved today. Go to tpaction.com help us win. And just a note here. I love your spirit, Rain. It's so encouraging because if you log online, sometimes you get a bunch of the black pill Blake types and you get the people that are, you know, the country's lost and Blake's looking at me.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

All right.

[Blake]

No, but here's the thing. I was asked this question in an interview yesterday, and it bears repeating. The question was, you know, how do you filter through the noise online? And I would just simply suggest to you this. You know, the tree by its fruit, you know, who's doing good work because they want to build this country up. They want to fight for this country. They want to actually contribute to good things. They want to get out in the field and knock doors. They want to send text messages. They want to send postcards, cards. All of these things are tremendously important. Because if you're building, if you're working towards something, you're part of the solution. So be part of the solution. Do not give in to the nihilism. Do not give in to the dooming. Do not give in to the black pilling. That is one of my repeat messages here. You do not fight because you know you're going to win. You fight because it's the right thing to do. So thank you, Ray.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

All right.

[Erica]

Really quick.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

One last question from Sam. We're going to read it. I am a college student and many students I know hate the current administration. They blame them for covering up Epstein and they seem to forget the Biden administration held onto those files and did nothing for years. How can the administration and the Republicans message better on this topic? That's a very tough question because only a minute. We only have a minute and it is unfair. President Trump has released a huge number of files, vastly more than any administration did before. You can read incredibly embarrassing emails involving the former president of Harvard, involving Elon Musk, involving Les Wexner. They've actually a lot of people have been humiliated. Some people have lost their jobs. There's been a lot of transparency on this. And we know certainly that the president himself is not involved in anything untoward because the Biden administration and the Obama administration had all of these files and didn't release anything and didn't charge President Trump or Donald Trump when he was not in the White House. So we know there's nothing there. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people, it's just in the zeitgeist space, people will repeat things that are false just because it feels fun to say, I guess.

[Blake]

I mean, it is the number one accusation that gets hurled at everybody now. Pedophile, pedophile.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

It's critical pedo theory. Pedophilia pervades the universe and all of our leaders.

[Blake]

It's a new form of brain rot.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

It's a brain rot. It's challenging.

[Blake]

Yeah, it is challenging, but we do need to keep messaging on it because a lot of people believe it can't abandon it.

[Erica]

Do not black pill.

[Blake (co-host or guest commentator)]

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[Blake]

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