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Charlie Kirk
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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Megan Kelly
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are.
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Charlie Kirk
Lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com so, Megan, you're here on a slow news day.
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Megan Kelly
Nothing's going on. Anyone been on X in the past hour?
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Charlie Kirk
They're happy. That's why, you know, they haven't been on social media.
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Megan Kelly
We'll update you.
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Charlie Kirk
Why don't you update them, Meghan?
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Megan Kelly
Well, this is the first big scandal, I'd say, of the Trump administration that's on Team Rational. It's not a fake media scandal like the left tries to create for President Trump every other day. It's one of the right's own making, and it's not going well. And it has to do with Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. Let me just ask you, make some noise. If you care about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
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Charlie Kirk
Raise your hand. If it matters a lot to you, raise your hand. So every hand of 7,000 people, everybody cares a lot. I said a lot. Every hand.
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Megan Kelly
Here's what I think is happening. I don't think President Trump is focused on this. He's focused on a lot of other things which are going great, and he needs to be focused on those other things. Jeffrey Epstein is not the most important thing on his agenda by any stretch of the imagination. I mean, he's crushing it on the tariffs, foreign policy. Just got nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. If not Trump, then who? Honestly? Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize after nine months in office. He had done nothing. Nothing. He gave a nice speech about Muslims, and they gave it to him. So President Trump should be getting the Nobel Peace Prize, and there's all sorts of things he's focused on. I just don't think this has captured his attention quite yet. But it needs to. Because it's starting to create a real hornet's nest within the administration. And I've got to be honest, I blame Pam Bondi. I'll tell you why. Okay. I have nothing. Yes. Incompetence. Yes. I have nothing against Pam Bondi as a human being. I was fine with her nomination and her confirmation. And she's been loyal to the president. And I get that. President Trump needs a loyal attorney General. Look what happened with Sessions the first time he went away. And then the next thing you know, we had the Mueller investigation and it was a nightmare. But there are a lot of other people who can be loyal and competent in that job. Here she is the reason that things are unraveling around this story right now that virtually all of the Republican Party cares deeply about. It's. It's also true that Dan Bongino and Cash Patel had questions about Epstein before they took office. Okay. Before they went to the FBI. But once they joined the FBI, they said nothing. They've kept their mouths shut about Epstein. You have not seen them except for one joint appearance with Dan and Cash on fox, running all over the media looking for attention on this. Yes, click baity story. Who have you seen? Pam Bondi. She has never missed an opportunity to go on television and dangle sweet nothings that might be coming your way. Try to lead you to believe that she's got it. It's on her desk. It's coming tomorrow. You're gonna see something on Epstein and it was a tease. So you either believe that Pam Bondi was telling the truth then or that she's telling the truth now. But both cannot be true. She was either lying when she went on Fox News all those times saying, I've got it. I've got it. We're looking at it. Wait until you see it. It's horrible. Or she's lying in her two page memo that they released on a Sunday night at the tail end of a holiday weekend to Axios. As if Axios is where we all go for our news. Hell no. She went to someone she knew would not kick the tires on the story and without signing the memo, dropped it in the dead of night and said, that's it. Take it. Take the crumbs and be happy. Refuse to come out and give a presser. Come out to the and give a press conference. Stand there for six hours to the point where people are dying of boredom. They've asked all their questions, and that's how you put a scandal to rest. But she wouldn't even sign her name to it. And I'm telling you, I have dollars to donuts, it's going to come out that there was internal consternation over that memo and whose name did and did not go on it and who was and was not behind it. And so now you have a situation where her words on the record on Fox News are diametrically opposed to what she put in this memoir. She's embarrassed the president. She's embarrassed herself and Dan and Cash to the extent they've had to sign off on that. Let's understand the FBI is controlled by the doj. FBI is subservient to doj. She's their boss. That they're in this position where the only comments they've made on the record as administration officials have been, we don't think he killed himself and we don't think he got murdered. We think he did kill himself. We've looked at the tapes and cashed to Joe Rogan saying, if I saw all these tapes of Jeffrey Epstein with little girls, trust me, I would show you, but I haven't seen it. Okay, so what they're saying now is consistent with what they've said since they joined the office. And that is one of the many reasons why this scandal is squarely on her. And I'm telling you, I'm of the cable news universe. I've seen it happen a million times. People get thirsty. They love to see themselves on television. They love to see their names in the klieg lights. They love the attention. They love the little emails and texts and tweets and thumbs up they get after their appearance. And they can feel their star rising. And listen, internally, I'm told there's a bit of like a power struggle between Pam Bondi and another female administration official on who's going to be the top dog. You know, we've got a great bench behind President Trump. We've got J.D. we've got Marco, you know, we've got Hegseth. We've got a lot of people who could potentially be next up. But there are some women who got their eye on that role, too. And I've been maybe one of them.
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Charlie Kirk
Speaking at this event.
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Megan Kelly
Oh, hell no. Yeah, I'm too happy a person.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I, I know I was talking about someone tomorrow that might be speaking at this. But so, but Megan, you make a very astute point and let me add to it, which is that she also brought in some of our best influencers, people that I care about deeply. Jack Posobic, who's incredible libs of TikTok Chaya, DC Drano. And she gave them these binders and she humiliated them. And you guys know what I'm talking about. Or she did this stuff with your binders and you guys were upset, but you shouldn't be upset. The influencers, they were handed these binders like there was something incredible in them.
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Megan Kelly
It is what you would do to an enemy. It would have been a brilliant operation had she loathed them and been looking to undermine them. The trick would have been perfect had this been Joe Biden's White House doing this to some of President Trump's most loyal supporters and media advocates. You know, what happened was they invited all of them there to say hi to the Vice President. To say hi to the President. Sure. They all went. Of course, who wouldn't go to the White House to say hello to Trump? They didn't expect anything on Epstein. So they went, they said hello. And before they knew it, they were pulled into a room with Pam Bondi and Kash Patel. And she had made the binders. She bragged about making the COVID sheet that read Epstein Files Phase One. And she handed them out. And what Liz Wheeler, who was there, told me was that she told them, there's not that much in here, but, like, another trove is coming. I'm going to get it from the FBI. But, like, here's, here's phase one. Flash forward 14 hours earlier to when she was on with Jesse Waters on Fox News saying, oh, you're gonna see some Epstein documents tomorrow. You're gonna. She knew they were bull. She knew that there was nothing in there. She told the influencers when she gave it to them, there's really nothing in here. Gonna try to get you more. And in the meantime, then they funneled them out the back of the White House where all the press corps was, and the influencers are standing there with these binders. They didn't even know they were there for Epstein. And they looked foolish through no fault of their own. The only fault was they trusted her.
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Charlie Kirk
And these are some of our best people that got that. We, we should have their back. Liz Wheeler's amazing Jack Posobic. And they got.
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Megan Kelly
She dinged their credibility for no reason, 100%.
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Charlie Kirk
And did they ever get an apology for that?
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Megan Kelly
No. And the only way of making it up, trust me, as somebody in the media who relies on sources, the only way she could have made up for this enormous error. And truly, to this day, if you believe she knew there was nothing in there, then I don't know why she did it. She just did it to make them look like fools for fun of it. But the only way she could have made up for it was to give them a scoop. That's the only way of fixing it. When you have the scoop, when you do get the second tranche, you've got to leak something to them. You've got to let them break something. She never did. But she continued to tout that she had something. She was going to get that FBI file. Then she got caught by James o' Keefe on hidden camera saying she had tens of thousands of videos of Epstein and little children. It was like, what? Well, we never heard that. We heard he was into the barely legal type, you know, the like 18 year olds who look 14. But we didn't hear about children. And then because she was caught once again shooting off her mouth inappropriately. Attorneys General of the United States normally say nothing. They say nothing.
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Charlie Kirk
Merrick Garland had one press conference a year.
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Megan Kelly
Yes. Nothing. Bill Barr, you couldn't get him to speak or say anything. Even Eric Holder was less chatty than this. So she got caught on camera and she decided to cover up the James o' Keefe slip. By then running to a real camera and being like, there are tens of thousands of videos of the children and I'm announcing it all. So once again, she didn't give that to the influencers.
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Charlie Kirk
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Megan Kelly
Yes, yes. Now, she tripled up.
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Charlie Kirk
So Epstein was not the perp in every one of those videos.
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Megan Kelly
So because they've been so ambiguous.
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Charlie Kirk
No, but, like, think about this. Unless we're led to believe that Epstein himself personally raped all these kids. Children or whatever, then isn't the statute of limitations on child rape, like, basically infinite? So then why are we not indicting the people that were doing the raping that we have on video? Like, what's that all about?
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Megan Kelly
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
No, no. You know this better than I do. So Epstein's dead. He's, you know, he's met his hopefully, eternal fire where he deserves, in the pit of hell. But if it's true, the Attorney General, United States said. Just remind me, we have thousands of videos.
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Megan Kelly
She said that we've got thousands of videos showing child pornography.
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Charlie Kirk
And she doubled down on that. So tripled. So you have to infer Jeffrey Epstein was not the only person involved in that.
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Megan Kelly
Well, no, let me. So let me tell you what I've gleaned. But since she's been so ambiguous, take it with a grain of salt. Okay? She won't have a presser. She won't give an interview. She won't answer any hard questions. All we get is the unsigned paper memo, two pages to Axios, who won't ask any questions. So what I think she's saying is that she's found, allegedly, tens of thousands of screen grabs of child pornography. They call it child sexual abuse material now. It's C scan, and that's what she says they found on his, like, hard drives. Like, he was into this form of porn, like, off the Internet. But separately, they say he had at least 1,000 victims like, of his.
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Charlie Kirk
No. Okay, so. But a thousand victims. Unless we are to believe he personally was after every one of those victims, there has to be some other bad guys still alive that are powerful, that did something to these children. Why are we not in paneling a special prosecutor to find every single one of these powerful people that went after these kids? Like, what? Why are we putting up with this?
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Megan Kelly
Yeah. I don't know, and I think you'll.
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Charlie Kirk
Am I understanding this correctly? Because I don't even remember that. I don't even know. Pam Bondi said that. I thought, I can't even remember all this because it's all over. I got a thing on my desk. I got a truckloads of stuff.
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Megan Kelly
Yeah, no, we all have busy lives, and President Trump has a busy life. And I don't think he realizes how much she's humiliated the administration this is a self inflicted wound. She caused it. Again, I have nothing against Pam Bondi, but if you want to look for the villain in this story, we have found her. I mean, she is the person who's either she's either lying now or she was lying then. There's no two ways about it. And if you accept what's in the memo, that they don't have the goods on anybody, there's no one who can be indicted. They didn't find a trove of info on other people. Then why was she trying to titillate us over a child sexual abuse case? For months she was on the air repeatedly. In February, in March, again in May. It's completely inappropriate. You don't play cutesy with child sexual abuse material.
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Charlie Kirk
So, Megan, I don't mean to interrupt. I mean, first of all, you're totally right, but you know, the media, you know, you've been around the space of like, hyper ambitious women. What is, is this? Analyze her for us.
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Megan Kelly
Well, I think she wants to make a name for herself. What she really wants to be is a star. That's what I think she wants. That's why she runs to the cameras on Fox News. There's no other reason. Look back at the Attorney General. Seriously, do you ever remember knowing an Attorney General like this or like even having the Attorney General's voice in your head? Can you? I can barely remember Merrick Garland's weird little nasally voice, but I mean, it's in there. But the average person couldn't pick him out of a lineup because normally attorneys general are somber, serious people who are fairly annoying, but they're schooled in the law. Pam Bondi has one trait, and I think it's why Trump chose her. She's loyal to the President. And I get it. He does need somebody loyal, especially in that position. But he has a wealth of other options.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, I mean, I think Judge Jeanine is amazing. Do we like Judge Jeanine? I really like Judge Jeanine.
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Megan Kelly
Judge Jeanine would be brilliant. Harmony Dylan will be brilliant.
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Charlie Kirk
You're calling for Pam Bondi to resign or to go, but can you please tell people the breaking news? According to reports that you have verified Cash Patel and Dan Bongino will resign if what does not happen if she doesn't go.
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Megan Kelly
So I only have it on Bungino.
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Charlie Kirk
It's no, it's all over X though.
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Megan Kelly
I know, but here's. Let me just say what my, my reporting is. Bongino. It's Bongino or Bondi.
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Charlie Kirk
He's not who Would you guys prefer Bongino or Bonnie?
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Megan Kelly
Okay.
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Charlie Kirk
Seven thousand to zero.
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Megan Kelly
They want Dan. Of course, Dan. You know why? Because Dan understands maga. Dan's part of the MAGA movement. Dan's been an important piece of it and a mouthpiece for, like, really important ideas. An advocate and a fierce warrior. He's been in the trenches. I mean, with all due respect to Pam Body, she's been in Florida. She represented the president. It's nice, but do you think she really gets maga? I don't think so. She wouldn't have behaved this way if she did. And now it's a time for choosing. It's a time for choosing. We're about to lose Dan for sure, and maybe Cash too, if she doesn't go now. She's got. She's got some allies. I mean, I think Suzy Wiles is close with her, and Susie Wiles is amazing. And look, there's not that many, like, powerful women in the. In the administration. Maybe she wants to keep her. She's from Florida. Suzy, well, is from Florida. Trump lives in Florida. But this has gone well beyond this. Like, this could actually cost Trump in the midterms. We need to make a smart choice right now. We can't lose any of the MAGA base.
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Charlie Kirk
And let me just also reiterate this. And by no means did I want our very big student action. So I'm gonna talk about Epstein. The entire, like, of all the things. I'm not, like, Epstein obsessed. Some people, their YouTube channel, it's all they talk about. I think that the fact that young people can't afford homes is something we should talk about a lot more than these things endlessly. But this matters a lot. And so from a media standpoint, Meghan, you know the media better than anybody else. You've been in the media. You've been outside the media. What's the Sunday night thing? What is that? So you have a July 4th weekend after the big beautiful bill, and you leak it on a Sunday night to Axios. What is that?
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Megan Kelly
If you. You want to leak it, you want conservatives to see it, you leak it to the Daily Caller, you leak it to Fox News, you leak it to Daily Wire. You don't leak it to Axios. Our people don't read Axios. If we read Axios, it's under protest. Just to see what the left is saying. So it was like you. You saw it appear. It was like, this must be bull. There's no way this is real. There's no way I can tell you right now there's zero chance Dan Bongino's leaking to Axios. Zero. And cash. So. And yet today, as we came here, there's a piece in Axios that reflects very poorly on Dan, alleging Dan only freaked out once he saw in this memo that people weren't responding well to the missing minute of the tapes of Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Do you guys know this piece of the story? And that he went into a meltdown like a little child and then threw a hissy fit. So my point is not to weigh in on the truth or falsity of that. It's false, but it is to point out that's clearly a Bondi leak. Very clearly that's a Bondi leak. So what's clear to me from this, as a member of the media, is Bondi leaked the memo to Axios, and Bondi's doubling down by trying to get Axios to dump on Dan and trying to make him be the fall guy and. Or cash be the fall guy. And she will not face the cameras. If she means what she says, fine. Come out and defend it. To Dan's credit, he went on Fox a couple of weeks ago and he got beaten up pretty good for this and said, I think Epstein killed himself. And the base went nuts. The base doesn't believe that. But he's like, if you got other proof, show it to me. Well, if he faced the cameras and did it, she hasn't.
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Charlie Kirk
I'm open to it. If that's true, why don't you just tell us the prisoners names who are on the same cell block as Jeffrey Epstein.
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Megan Kelly
There's a lot.
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Charlie Kirk
No, that's B.S. i'm sorry. The President. United States figured out whether you have HIPAA for federal prisoners. Tell us. I mean, tell us who the other prisoners were if no one had access to it, because all of a sudden, if we find out some of these prisoners had suspicious intel ties. What I'm getting at is at some point, we want answers. At some point, yeah.
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Megan Kelly
Answer the questions. That's it.
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Megan Kelly
Charlie, wait. Let me just make the case for talking. Talking about it because I. It's funny because you look back at the past. Dan and Cash talked about Epstein all the time when they were in my business. That's.
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Charlie Kirk
The point is that hasn't been a shtick of mine.
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Megan Kelly
Mine either. Mine either. I talked about it. Same, same. But I am a lawyer by training and I can smell BS when it's being shoveled to me. And it's very obvious to me right now that we've got spinners trying to mess with us in Washington on a story that is important, and here's why. Yes, obviously child sexual abuse matters. And if we have some ring of pedophiles running around, I mean, outside of Hollywood, we need to know. But here's why. It's really why it does matter. It's worthy of discussing at a place like this. It's about transparency. One of the main reasons that we voted Trump in was because we wanted real answers on real stories. And we didn't want to be BS'd anymore with a bunch of nonsense from our government that treated us like a bunch of stooges. Right. Thank you. And I believe Trump is still loyal to that mission. And maybe, maybe the people who are behind that memo are loyal to that mission, too, but this ain't it. That would require. Especially on a story they know. They know the base has been led down with a trail of breadcrumbs to believe something else for years. This is a story. The only way to end it, if that's your goal, is you stand in front of those cameras and you take every single question your biggest critics have for you.
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Charlie Kirk
So let's go through a battle plan. Let's say you're senior advisor to the President. What is the 1, 2, 3, sequencing press conference. You would get rid of Bondi. What else? To get us back on track towards transparency. I think the DOJ should immediately move to unseal all the Epstein documents in the Southern district of New York.
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Megan Kelly
Yeah, everything. Everything except child sexual assault material.
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Charlie Kirk
I think every file should be released to the public the same way as the JFK files. Let the American people decide.
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Megan Kelly
Put them out there. Because if there's nothing in there, then we can see there's nothing in there. Now listen, people who are truly conspiratorial, who will just never believe anything other than Jeffrey was murdered, and there's a ring of pedophiles, they won't be satisfied. And that's fine. You're entitled to believe. That's like. That's fine. You're. You're entitled to your own beliefs. However, some percentage of skeptics will at least give them credit for opening the files. And we could have a situation where they open the files and Dan and Cash stand there and say, I don't know what was taken out of here before we got here. You know, it's possible that those files are rather disappointing and they're not to blame. I don't know. Or. And it's possible. I just got to say this for the record. It's. It's also possible that Jeffrey Epstein was an absolutely disgusting predator who loved just the barely legal types and did take advantage of them and didn't actually farm a bunch of girls out to a bunch of men. It's possible, and I'll say this on it, I know somebody very close to the case, very close to the case, who I trust implicitly. And that person has told me from the beginning that that's what happened, that Epstein was very into the girls who looked like 13, but he knew he had to hire the ones who were like 17, 18 to come in and give him massages that had the so called happy ending. And that was really his thing. And that's. And there are over a thousand of those.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I, I get that. But I think what people want to know is who. What other powerful people were involved.
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Megan Kelly
Yeah, we've heard all the names who went to Epstein island, who went to Epstein Islands. Who specifically went on the plane, Who. Who stayed for more than a night. Like, that's what Alan Dershowitz is saying. And he's so right about this. He was dragged through the mud by.
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Charlie Kirk
That Virginia Giuffre, and he won his case.
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Megan Kelly
He did not molest Virginia Giuffre. It was a lie. Okay? And I've done this in depth, the study of this. His name was suggested to her by somebody who thought she'd sell more books if she named a famous guy. And it was suggested to her. How about Alan, who Jeffrey knew because Alan represented him from when he got arrested for transportation of a. Of a minor in prostitution. And Alan, you know, he. Look, he did represent Epstein. That's not Great. He represented O.J. isn't that worse? Like, that's what criminal defense attorneys do. I don't judge it. We need them. We need them to kick the tires on the system. So in any event, that's how he knew Jeffrey. They weren't buddies. He wasn't like Bill Clinton, palling around with them everywhere. So she got accused. She accused him unfairly. But he is saying now he thinks the entire files should be opened, even if other men like Alan get swept up into, like, a web, a web of, like, you did it, you did it, you did it. And then let them rehabilitate themselves the way he did. Let them show the evidence of. I actually wasn't even in the country when I got accused. I was at a different place. I was at work. I'm on camera at the Starbucks, whatever. But why? Why not? Given the amount of, like, smoke around this fire, why not just open the files?
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Charlie Kirk
Do you think there's any intel, Community involvement in this?
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Megan Kelly
I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced, based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story, he wasn't one of ours.
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Charlie Kirk
So he wasn't American. Which leads Basically three options. MI6, Saudi or Mossad.
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Megan Kelly
Yep.
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Charlie Kirk
Which one would you choose?
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Megan Kelly
I guess Mossad, given his connection to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Charlie Kirk
So what does that mean?
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Megan Kelly
Well, I mean, it's possible that that's the reason everything's getting buried. That there is some treasure trove and it's getting buried because.
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Charlie Kirk
How many people here believe that? Raise your hand. Okay, I'd say about half. Half the hands think that it's being buried because of an Israeli thing.
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Megan Kelly
It could be. I really don't.
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Charlie Kirk
I have no evidence to suggest that I'm.
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Megan Kelly
Yeah, no, me neither. I did think it was very odd how look, half of you raised your hands because you've heard that theory, you've heard it debated. You have questions. But the one time Pam Bondi was asked a question about this at the. At the Cabinet meeting on Monday, she. She was like, and as for whether he was an agent, that, I don't know. I haven't looked into that. I'll get back to you. You haven't looked into it? What do you mean? So that was kind of a fishy answer.
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Charlie Kirk
And, Megan, remember Alexander Acosta in 2007, he said he was told to treat Epstein carefully because he was an intel asset. That was. That was one of Trump's cabinet secretaries who was literally a US Attorney three hours from here in Florida. He said that himself.
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Megan Kelly
Well, and let me tell you the consequences of that. His subpoena, his search warrant on Jeffrey Epstein's residence was very narrow. It. It was not the kind of like, let's get everything. Let's. Let's see everything inside this guy's, you know, dressers and so on. It was very, very narrowly tailored. And to this day, that's what the FBI is stuck with. So it really is possible that Dan and Cash got in there and, you know, in like, a Geraldo and Al Capone's vault situation, opened it up, and we're like, oh, my gosh, there's nothing in here. Like, we did not find the magic documents or photos or evidence of anything. And why not? I don't know we'll ever know why not. I'm not sure we'll ever know, but I guess I care less about that than I do about. Just open the books and be fully.
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Charlie Kirk
No, again, I don't want to. I don't want to feed into any of the, let's just say, speculative theories. But Alexander Acosta himself talked about intel asset. And you have to wonder that the timing of all this Sunday night. So you have the big beautiful bill. You have Independence Day weekend. Why are you doing this on a Sunday night?
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Megan Kelly
Was it bury it?
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Charlie Kirk
But you don't bury things on Sunday night.
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Megan Kelly
You do on a holiday weekend. You do. Like, they're traveling back from the beach on Sunday night. They're dealing with traffic. They knew they were too smart to think that they could get away with doing it on a Saturday night or on a Friday night. So they wanted the COVID of, like, we're doing it on, like, the night before a real news day. But Monday after July 4th is not a real news day. Everybody's still in transition.
- [28:49]
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Megan Kelly
If we just what?
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Charlie Kirk
Just try to proceed? Don't address this. If the administration just tries to power.
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Megan Kelly
Through, her days are numbered. She can't recover from this. She's shot herself in the foot on her own credibility. I just don't think she's going to recover. And I'm sorry to be ungenerous, but I just don't think Pam Bondi is skilled enough to avoid making another mistake very soon. And so that will probably be the one that gets her. Because President Trump, I understand fully, he doesn't want to offer a scalp in response to this. And I get it, he doesn't want to. And I understand why. Even though it's his own people, he doesn't want to look like he sold out his people. And he's loyal, too. He really is. He's very loyal to the people who are loyal to him, to his credit. But I think he's also extremely smart and he can read a room better than anybody. And I think once he realizes thanks to an event like this, etcetera, that this does matter with the base. This is not a nothing burger for them. For all the reasons we've discussed, I think he'll decide she's a goner it's just a question of what the excuses, more time with her family. Right. And she'll. She'll be sayonara.
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Charlie Kirk
And so from a PR standpoint, what. So you would do an open press conference, take every possible question.
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Megan Kelly
If I were Trump, I would say all three of you are going out and holding a presser. Everybody's welcome, all comers. And you're not leaving until, like, we're down to the Jim Acostas of the world. Like, you will stay until those kinds of people have gotten to ask questions. Because let me tell you something. This another thing that's irritating about the whole way they've handled is they're embarrassing other good people. Like, did you see Caroline Levitt out there trying to answer questions on this?
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Charlie Kirk
I think Caroline's great. Don't we like Caroline?
- [31:38]
Megan Kelly
Same.
- [31:38]
Charlie Kirk
She has nothing to do with this.
- [31:40]
Megan Kelly
Nothing to do with it. I love her, and she has total credibility. And I watched her try to, like, spin that memo, which is her job, and I felt nothing but empathy for her.
- [31:50]
Charlie Kirk
And I agree.
- [31:51]
Megan Kelly
And I also felt like, how dare you put her in this position. This is your stink over the doj, once you get your own spokesperson out there to deal with it. But don't make poor Caroline sacrifice the president's credibility and hers on this dog turd of a story. So they do need to wrap it up. It should. Well, it should be wrapped up. And in a perfect world, Trump will say, all three of you, get out there, have an open presser. Anybody can take. Can. Can answer questions and just answer them all honestly. Short of that, like, we could get to today's Friday. We could get to Monday. With Dan gone, possibly Cash gone again, my reporting says Cash is staying. Others says he'll go if Bongino goes. I think one of them knows we have a country to run and we really do need one of them there.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I think we need both. I mean, I'd hate to lose them both.
- [32:34]
Megan Kelly
I do, too.
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Charlie Kirk
And let's play this out for a second, though. Let's say Bongino leaves. Well, he's not going to keep its mouth shut.
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Megan Kelly
So he's got one of these, too.
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Charlie Kirk
He's got a big one of these. He will come out immediately and he will tell his side of the story, which will not help the integrity of the administration. Right. So if you, if you let Bongino walk, you will have somebody for years that will be bitter towards the administration and all of us.
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Megan Kelly
He's not gonna want to hurt Trump.
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Charlie Kirk
No, no, no. But he'll tell the truth and we will lose. We will be like, if Bongino can't go and fight and solve this thing, then like, I mean, what are we doing here, right? If Dan Bongino, who's like one of the greatest patriots we have, cannot go and reform the FBI with Cash Patel after we win a popular vote majority.
- [33:23]
Megan Kelly
Right.
- [33:23]
Charlie Kirk
Then I'm not. I'm like, I will never give up. But I know for millions of people that will be met with just a sigh of cynicism.
- [33:30]
Megan Kelly
Think about it.
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Charlie Kirk
You know what I mean?
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Megan Kelly
Yes, 100%. You think about. Like, you mentioned Jeanine. Jeanine Pirro would take no prisoners. She's. She's totally confirmable, too. She's. She'd be great in this role. Like, it's not like there's no bench behind Pam Bondi. Like, there is a bench. Jeanine could do it. Harmeet could do it. Even Matt Gates can't do it. Yeah, I mean, he could do it.
- [33:50]
Charlie Kirk
But he's not confirmable.
- [33:52]
Megan Kelly
Yeah, he's not confirmable.
- [33:53]
Charlie Kirk
Matt Gates for a special prosecutor. That would be very.
- [33:55]
Megan Kelly
Now that would be fun to watch.
- [33:57]
Charlie Kirk
Matt Gaetz with a government corruption special prosecutor.
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Megan Kelly
Anyway, there are other people who could take over that role and just think about it, because I can see the untenability of Dan and Cash staying effectively working for Pam. Right. Like they're working for her. And she seems feckless, except she seems somewhat petty and personal given the leaks I'm reading. And she seems way too focused on being a star. It reminds me of Brian Williams of NBC. Remember how it was? Like, it turned out he was more interested in seeing his mug on television and telling fake stories about what a badass he allegedly was. And like Abbottabad, you know, with Seal Team 6 practically raiding the compound. Then he was in. In being taken seriously and being a credible, credible news anchor. And I'm sorry to say I think she suffers from that same disease. And so she has to go.
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Charlie Kirk
Megan, last question. There's 7,000 people here, most of which are students. What advice do you have for them? Fighting on campus, trying to figure out what they want to do with their life. Let's do a non Epstein end to all of this.
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Megan Kelly
That awesome. Be who you are. Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor. He's not worth it. Get your D on your paper because you refuse to argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a badge of honor. Bring it with you into your job interview. And that will make sure you align with an employer who's right for you. Right? Don't say that you support Planned Parenthood the way they want you to. Don't call yourself a feminist because your teacher will give you pats on the head. Stand up for what you really believe in. And that's how we spread the good word. That's how we convert others over to where we stand rather than just get ahead pretending we're with them and then only once we have power tell our true feelings. It's not worth it. Anybody who came to me with a crappy GPA from one of these elite universities and then showed me all their papers that spoke up for conservatism and America and God Faithful, I would hire them in an instant over somebody who emerged with a perfect gpa who went along to get along. That's not a leader, that's a sheep. Don't be like that. Stand up for your beliefs now when it matters.
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Charlie Kirk
Megan, you are amazing. God bless you and Turning Point you'll say. Thank you.
- [36:08]
Megan Kelly
Thank you so much you guys. It's great to be with you.
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Charlie Kirk
Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedomcharliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.