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all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is June 24th here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Honored to be with you. And boy, we have quite the moment, quite the reaction this morning. The socialist sweep in New York City. Mamdani's DSA machine flexing its muscles and portending bad news.
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An Islamo socialist.
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It's an Islamo Marxist takeover of New York City. It is not too crazy of a thing to say that New York City is now a post American city.
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American. It's the first outpost, frankly we should say it European style. Leftism, Third Worldism.
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Third Worldism.
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We have, we've reported how on Britain, they have people running for parliament in Britain whose main issue is Palestine and basically promoting Islamic radicalism. Now we have that in the United States. A state senate seat in New York elected a person whose platform is basically I'm going to speak for Palestine.
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Yep.
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In a state senate seat in the United States.
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Yep. So we've got Darializa Avila Chevalier. So she beat incumbent In New York's 13th congressional district, Adriano Espilat. And the chair of the Hispanic.
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The chair of the Hispanic caucus just lost.
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She wants to abolish everything she wants. She's a 32 year old DSA community organizer and pro Palestinian activist. She was one of those ones that led those chaotic Columbia University protests. She founded a group called Quad which is basically pro Palestine, pro dsa. She is A Muslim convert. Okay. She's against all deportations even for criminal criminals. She wants to seize private property, nationalize industries, wiping her hands on the American flag as violent excrement and questioning of Israel has the right to exist. That's one. She mocked US service members as war criminals and attacked Democrats like Joe Biden as rapists. So that's one right. It's pure radicalism, anti American rhetoric, pro genocide and Gaza talk while dodging full Hamas condemnation. You won't condemn them at all. And she has basically said she hates America. Okay, so that's one. How about Claire Valdez? She beat Antonio Reynoso. So that's another. That's New York's 7th district. Claire Valdez, she's a full DSA union, radical, state assembly member, proud Democrat, socialist, labor organizer. She wants to abolish ice, give voting rights and citizenships to all illegals. She wants to fund transgender treatments on taxpayers dime. She wants to push Medicare for All, kill private insurance. She's all in on taxing the rich to oblivion. By the way, I don't know what rich people are gonna be left in the city.
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Well it's funny we say that because that is who is voting for this. If you look at the numbers in New York, the old just traditionally black or Hispanic working class bases of the party are not voting in favor of this. The reason these candidates are winning is young college educated people who've moved to New York and like rich young. Rich young and middle aged progressives, far left progressives. That's who's voting for this one of these districts. I believe the district, the one you were just citing is, is the most gentrified district in the United States. So that is what the Democrats who lost are pointing out. That this is a result of gentrification is not that they're becoming more moderate, it's that it's actually becoming much more willing to vote for what Rob Henderson might call luxury. Beliefs that these people who frankly are bigger winners from the US economy than most, are voting in favor of radical, burn it all down socialism.
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Yep. Which is pretty incredible. Brad Lander, New York's 10th beat incumbent, Dan Goldman. Now I have no love for Dan Goldman. I think he's a douche. But his big sin seems to be that he believes Israel has a right to exist. He is a Jew after all. So is Brad Lander. So they picked a Jew to beat a Jew. Except this Jew doesn't support military aid to Israel, prioritizes social spending and aligns with Mamdani's machine In a big way. Again, Mamdani endorsed. This is a Manhattan Brooklyn seat. And so, you know, he's all about the dsa, big government handouts, more free stuff, taxing the productive members of society into oblivion, seizing the means of production, the whole bit. So another triumph of ideology over reality. Cozy up with the radicals who think your tax dollars should subsidize failure, lack of productivity, laziness. But that's. I mean, this is the New York. Right. And we haven't even gotten to Aberra
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Abercroy, that's the state Senate leader, and she's basically. Actually, we have video of her. Let's just play it.
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Let's play her in her own words.
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Let's go for it. This is her talking about 91122 and
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finding that like, you know, the system of capitalism and racism and white supremacy, et cetera, have all. And Islamophobia have all been used, you know, to colonize lands. Right. To take resources from other people. And so this is like a long trajectory. And we're just seeing the manifestations of that continuation. Right. With 9 11. And so a lot of times when people are asking us to respond about, you know, attack, right. When if we look back, like, historically, right. You know, a lot of us come from lands that were colonized, lands where wars are being waged. Right. A lot of times because of U.S. policy or the policies in Europe. And so I find that we can connect over that. But then also that the idea that we have to apologize for like a terror attack that like couple people did, and then there is no apologies or reparations for genocides and for slavery.
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So let's unpack that there. She says that 911 was the result of racism, white supremacy and capitalism. That there should be no accountability for Radical Islam doing 911 unless there's reparations for colonialism. And she threw in slavery there as well. And that's. That's who just won.
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That's.
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That is the person running for Senate. If you weren't able to see the video there, we also had an image next to it where she was holding up a green headband. I'm told that is a Hamas fighter headband like the ones that they would be probably wearing during the 107 attacks, many other terrorist operations. That is now a person headed to a safe seat in the New York State Senate.
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Well, and Amber Kwas is apparently, she's born and raised in New York to Palestinian refugee immigrant parents. You could define them as illegals. She's a very proud Democrat socialist community organizer, which Is just code for radical Marxist, vocal pro Palestinian activist. As you just heard, she is the first Palestinian Muslim woman elected to the New York State Senate. She's in the primary at this point, but she's gonna win. So Mamdani endorsed her heavily. They teamed up on not on our Dime campaign to target and tax New York groups supporting Israel. So this is all. I wish I could make any of this up, but I wish this was a joke. It's not. This is reality. This is the first major city being completely colonized by a foreign ideology, largely powered by foreign born, naturalized. That means we blessed them, we put our hands on them and said, yes, you are part of us now. Foreigners that do not represent American values. Not the founders values, not traditional American values, not Christian values by any means. And we let this happen to us. We let this happen to us. You know, one of the things I often think about is Charlie would always say we have two roads to choose in front of us. We have Mamdaniism, Luigi Magionism, or we have Maga. And the choice is very clear. The fork in the road is very clear. Because when you see what's happening in New York, a place that used to be considered America's best city, most important city, the city that embodied the spirit of America the most being taken over by a foreign ideology. Radicals often born in far flung places, you realize that that is a really true thing that Charlie said. Because we have. One is going to be some tough medicine, but we're gonna get through it and we're gonna see the re emergence, the re industrialization, the greatness of America re emerge. The other is going to be something completely different and foreign and awful. Socialist experiments that have been tried all
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over the world and have failed everywhere. I mean, that is. That's really the important combination and why we talked about that socialist Muslim axis. It's not that the red green axis. It's not even that Islam is a particularly socialist religion. In fact, I'd guess a lot of these Muslims are not particularly Muslim. Much like Zoran Mamdani. Zoran Mamdani is a guy, he'll say inshallah. He'll say Allahu Akbar. He'll kind of wear it performatively as an outfit. But he's clearly not a guy who's passionate about the teachings of the Quran. But what it is is. It's essentially a great shorthand way of saying I am not American in the traditional way. I reject the traditional values of America. I embrace this third world immigrant, anti Western religion. The reason there's a red green axis is they're both just anti west, anti American. Why wouldn't we just team these together? It's a nice blunt way of saying, I support the dissolution of Western civilization.
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Well, and by the way, to your point, I think nobody embodies this red green axis more than Chevalier. She is a converted Muslim. Okay?
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Reverted is the word they like to use. Everyone's naturally Muslim. You're in rebellion.
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This is a clip of her before she became a Muslim. And she's describing herself that she operates within the black queer feminist lens. Okay, this is before she converted or whatever. 24.
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We chose to tackle the issue of permanent exclusion for many reasons. As folks who operate within the black queer feminist lens, we know that the most marginalized should always be at the center of our work. And we see this as part of our ongoing work to end broken windows policing, which criminalizes poor communities of color for merely existing.
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Oh, you mean it actually criminalizes criminality. Okay, whatever. Imagine that crazy person. All right, but this is after she converted. 21.
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I'm also the only Muslim in my family. I reverted three years ago. Actually. The friend who pushed me to do it asked me, why have you fasted for four years and yet you haven't take your shahada? When she asked me that, I thought, that is a great question. And I thought for myself why I hadn't taken the step yet. But it was seeing how all of my friends who were showing up to organizing, who were Muslim, were showing up in the space and the grace and love and passion that they had in these spaces of social justice that really pushed me to join the faith and wanting to make sure that we are reflecting that in that. I'm reflecting that in every space that I'm in. And that, inshallah, if we make it to Congress, that we're reflecting that in the halls of power as well.
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Inshallah.
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Inshallah. That's how it is. First, she has the black queer feminist lens. That's a way of saying, I'm not with the program that has traditionally made America successful. Reject America. And now she can go a different way. She can don the hijab. She can say, actually, Muhammad the warlord who married a six year old, he had it the right way. And that's the new cause. I'm going to hitch up, by the
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way, anybody that is against colonialism, whatever the hell that is, and then converts to Islam. They were the original colonialists. I mean, look at their conquering history throughout Northern Africa, the Middle East, Southern Europe. Just saying Little bit of a Hippocratic
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fact that they're basically just colonizing America today because there are 55, 56 Muslim majority countries out there and none of them are really worth living in.
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It turns out they are the actual colonialists and they're trying to. To conquer the West. They don't make any ifs, ands or buts about it. They don't try and hide that. They say it out loud. They say they're gonna outbreed us, they're going to run for office, they're going to be in positions of power, they're gonna bring over their family members and they're gonna keep coming. An endless stream of foreigners with foreign ideology, a foreign conquering cult religion. That's the plan. And anybody who's not telling you that is lying to you. Anybody who's not telling you that is being politically correct. They're being cowards. Charlie talked about it extensively, probably the. And I. Would you agree with the clip if we want Charlie, would you agree? The thing he talked about the most in the last year was Islam. And he warned about it. And we should heed his warning. Yeah, play the clip.
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Clip 40.
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And people say, I like Mamdani because he's authentic. But authentic to what? And what is he aiming towards? He's aiming towards a devolution. It's bad either way. By the way, if he eats with his rice with his hands, whether he means it or not, he's either authentically gross or he's being a fake, disgusting person. And in some of the comments of a TikTok video I made, people said, but Charlie, who are you to judge other cultures? No, no, no, no. That's the point. We in Western culture believe that our way of life is the best. We're better than Mohammedism. We don't do female genital mutilation. Well, I guess the trans people do, but we don't do female genital mutilation. We in the west don't have child marriages. We don't believe in honor killings. We don't believe in polygamy. We believe in American exceptionalism. We believe our culture is better. You see, in the modern world, happiness is the goal. Feelings are the guide. Judgment is the ultimate sin. And God is the ultimate guess. And let me say that again. Judgment is the ultimate sin. You're not allowed to judge others. Guess what? I'm going to judge you. If you eat rice with your hands. That's bad, that's wrong. Assimilation is a necessity, not a suggestion.
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Yeah, I mean, I think he's a formidable politician, and he did, which I can just appreciate as an advocate, that something that's just incredibly rare in politics, which is he both had the perceptiveness to kind of know where he could get wins, and then he had the boldness to push for those wins, even if he made a bunch of power brokers in his own party happy. And I mean, obviously I hate the radical ideology that he is expounding, but I think he gets a great deal of credit for kind of understanding where the movement in his party is going to.
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Yeah, and I think you're right. And I want. I want to just use that as a jumping off point here for something Charlie said. We played another Charlie clip, but he was so prescient on these issues. I want to play 39.
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Look, you got two options. You can go maga or magionism. You can go maga or you can go Mamdaniism. You can go maga or you can go Mohammedism. It's very funny how all the M's. Maga is the Only option on the right. Neoconservatives are not coming back. The corporate oligarchs. We're not going to let him. So Maga has cemented the worldview of the American right, but the left, we don't know. It could go Maggione, which is the most extreme. You could go Mamdani, which is very, very extreme. Or you go Mohammed, Mohammed ism, which is just, you know, Muslim, Islamic takeover. You get reform or you get revolution. We at Magawana, reform stuff, political undercurrent underneath Maggione that cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed. And that political reality is that is
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on the American left does seem like our future has a fork in the road and we get to choose reform or revolution. Mamdani is a force for revolution in a very, very serious way. And so while I agree with you, I give him begrudging respect, it's also terrifying. But do you think as well, Jeremy, that it is terrifying for the Democrat Party in some way?
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Oh, I think absolutely. I mean, they've been sort of pushing the elites, the quote, unquote, intellectual leads the Democrat Party, this abundance liberalism idea, which is this kind of techno wonkery. And then we actually had an election and no, it was really just about who could hate Israel the most. I mean, that's what really determined it in all three of these elections in many ways. I mean, there were other issues at part. Now, I mean, that's totally crazy, right? Because Israel should not be the central issue for anybody pro or con in America. But. But it's sort of indicative of some of the radicalism that has overtaken the party. That, that kind of, that was probably the central issue in, in all three of these races.
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Yeah, and that is, I mean, you, you mentioned in your tweet that aipac, anything to do with that, Dan Goldman was, I think, denied service. Dan Goldman is no establishment. The guy is a radical and he's a total douche. I mean, he's a very hateable person. And yet this guy who has been like a dog with a bone trying to get Trump for however many years, even that's not enough anymore. They want seizure of the means of production. They want anti ice, abolish ice, abolish the police. They want all of that stuff. And if you're not going full commie, you're basically unelectable now in some of these districts in New York.
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Yeah, I mean, I want to. As you said, Mamdani is politically savvy, canny, talented. Axios has been interviewing Democrats in the House. And they're being almost as apocalyptic about this as we are. A centrist Democrat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the results were an earthquake and a huge defeat for Democratic leadership. It was a tough night. People who do not support the dsa, they're wringing their hands at cocktail parties. The DSA is organizing. I feel like Democrats in Washington are realizing their brand of the party is dying. And while that's a little satisfying to see, it's also scary, Jeremy, because we have gotten by on there being Democrats who they like holding power, they like not killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. And now we have. We have to deal with radical socialists who might blow up the whole country. And if you think that's impossible, go look at Britain.
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Yeah, no, absolutely, Blake. And I think one of the interesting things, right, it's not just in New York City, we're seeing it most dramatically there, but we've literally got a situation in Los Angeles now where the choice for mayor is between somebody who is literally kind of working in Castro aligned brigades back in the day, and that's the more moderate choice versus the absolute socialist. And, you know, I think Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, I mean, he doesn't call himself a socialist, but he might as well be. So these people are radical in every single respect. Seattle, absolutely same thing. And I think the business communities that have sort of aligned with the Democrat Party have got to be having a little bit of buyer's remorse at this point.
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Yeah, I mean, it's been very interesting watching the, the more establishment Dem reaction to this. And I think it's going in one of two ways there. You know, you got Joe Scarborough, who's in complete denialism. Cut 28.
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I believe the Democratic Party overall is
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going too hard left.
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I believe there is anti Semitism in there.
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We'll save that for another day.
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But I believe this is a branding issue for the Democrats that they are going to have to answer for. So this will agree to.
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It's obviously a challenge. It's obviously going to be a challenge. Obviously he's saying, well, Democrats just elected a moderate like Spamberger. Spamberger. You never go full Virginia. You never go full Virginia. She's no moderate. I mean, anyways, so that's interesting. Then you've got the other reaction, which is like Cory Booker, which he's trying to say, oh, it's a good thing we're a big tent party. SOT 30, what did you make of your fellow Democratic Senator John Fetterman today when he was Asked about these New
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York primaries, he said the dirtbag left is surging.
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I believe is how he described it.
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Again, for me, if you want to heal a country, you can't be picking fights. I think we need to understand that our party is not homogenous. One of the things that makes the Democratic Party great is it's a big tent party.
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We need to stay that way.
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Right. Okay, so it's various forms of denialism, if we're being honest about it. But Jeremy, I'm gonna play one more clip and get your reaction to it. This is CNN's Harry Entin talking about how much more popular DSA is over Dems in Congress. 29.
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The Democratic Socialists of America have a higher net favor rating than the Democratic Party does. At least those who members of Congress. I mean, just take a look here. Dems, Dem Socialists of America plus 17 points. Democrats in Congress plus 4 points. No wonder that Dem socialists are getting nominated across the political map in different primaries. But because simply put, they are more popular than the Democrats currently in charge. Match up. Socialism, capitalism among Democrats. You go back 16 years ago, 2010, capitalism and socialism right there. Favorable rating 51%. 50%. Look at it now. Socialism clearly in the lead among Democrats. 66% of them view socialism favorably. Just 42% view capitalism favorably. No wonder Mamdani had no problem blasting it.
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I think that clip is interesting, Jeremy, because it gets to root causes and we have to be honest about the fact that for a lot of people, and people on the right feel this as well, they feel like the system is not working. And so the question to you is, what is driving this?
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Well, I think it's a lot of things right. And I wrote about the centrality of immigration here, even though I think just like a lot of revolutionary vanguards, and you go back to the communist Chinese, it was the the same way. It's elites who are maybe not from the peasantry, so called lead the revolution, but you can't do the revolution without that kind of mass base of immigrants. If you look at Mamdani in his election, he was overwhelmingly supported by people who were not born in America and he lost the votes of people born in America. I think you're probably going to see a lot of the same things if we get good exit polls from here. So that's some of it. The opportunity is an issue. But of course, every single thing the Democratic socialists want to do is simply going to make that a much worse situation than it already is. So they don't have any solutions. I Think the GOP has solutions. We need to be a little bit more aggressive about pushing it. We need to be more aggressive about reaching out to young people. Charlie did an amazing interview, actually. I think a discussion, ironically, with Tucker. I think maybe, maybe about just a few weeks before he died. I'm sure you guys remember it, where he really talked about the centrality of young people and their issues and how everybody was sleeping on this as an issue and how he had really been trying to make this put front and center for the administration. And I just hope that message is getting out.
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Yeah. And that's kind of where I was going with this, too, Jeremy. I think there is a. Obviously, we hate this radical leftism. It will destroy the country. It is a ticking time bomb. But we have to, as conservatives, also look in the mirror and say, we're given a mandate in 2024, and can we honestly say that we've delivered on it? I don't think we can. And that's a big problem. This is what's crazy, Jeremy. I'm about to play this clip of These activists, these DSA activists threatening Hakeem Jeffries job, saying, you're next. Play Cup 41.
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You're next, you're next, you're next.
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You're next. You're next, you're next. Wow. I mean, again, Hakeem Jeffries is no. Is no moderate. I just. Here's what I think is happening, Jeremy, is both the GOP in Washington underestimates how radicalized we've become, actually. And the Democrats in Washington have underappreciated just how radical their base has become. What's your take?
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No, I absolutely agree with that. And I think not just Hakeem Jeffries has gotta be very worried looking at some of the things that you're just showing, like that video. But I think Chuck Schumer, who's going to be 78 in 2028, when he's up for reelection and staring down a potential primary versus aoc, he's got to be looking at all this and kind of wondering, again, as somebody who moderate establishment, very pro Israel, you know, does he want to end his career in ignominious defeat in a primary? Because I've got to be honest, you know, that's probably where this is heading, given where his party is. So, you know, I think there's a lot of people who are going to be looking over their shoulder, particularly on issues of aipac, but also on issues like affordability, universal health care, you know, rent control, all these sorts of things. That the Democrat socialists are campaigning on and are maybe not all in the complete mainstream of the Democratic Party.
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Yeah, I mean this, this has been a wake up call for me. I've already been advocating for an immigration moratorium and I will not stop doing it. We needed an immigration moratorium 20 years ago. We needed it 40 years ago. And the chickens are coming home to roost. And you write about it brilliantly in unprotected class. What is the racial dynamic of this? Jeremy, I know you've caught a bunch of heat for this, but you've also been a truth teller and I so respect you for that. But it really is becoming a situation where they don't like white people. They're pretty open about it. They certainly don't like Jews, but they don't like white people either.
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Yeah, no, that's right. And a lot of this is really downstream of that, whether it's said explicitly or not. And we've talked and everybody's talking about the three congress people for good reason. But there were also six Democratic socialists who won in the New York legislature yesterday. At least six, maybe even a seventh pretty. All but one minorities, all from immigrant backgrounds. In fact, several of them like involved as immigration attorneys or whatever. There is a huge immigration element of this. There is a huge ethnic element and racial element of this. There's a huge anti white element that is lurking just below the surface. And I think one of the things that will be interesting is as some of these guys have to get out of their districts and explain some of their quotes to the broader electorate. I think a lot of normie Republicans or even normie independents are going to be kind of shocked by what some of these Democratic socialists have been saying. Yeah.
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And but I'm actually just looking here, we're having John Doyle on later in the show and he just pointed out a few minutes ago, you just look at the poll, the shift Democrats in 2010, when people were screaming about socialism then, but Democrats were 50, 50 then on socialism versus capitalism. They had about that clip.
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Yeah.
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And now it's just everything is a mess. It's like. And if they just say, and he says everyone thought we could just read Marx or something and we could debunk this with debate. And it's much more important now that we recognize they are just sold this narrative because of mass immigration that say the reason your own, your old countries weren't nice is because of white people. And now if you vote for this and we'll call it socialism, but we could call it any number of things will take their stuff and will give it to you.
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Yep.
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And like, that's really what's appealing in New York here.
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Well, and listen how. Listen how Hasan Piker sells this. This is what's crazy, how they launder these very violent ideologies. I mean, because eventually when you want to seize the means of production and you want to kick out landlords and give it to poor people, I guess, or whatever, some of them are not going to put up with that, and it becomes violent. This is the classic cycle that we see with the socialist revolutions, these takeovers.
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And.
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And yet this is what. This is what Hasan Piker says. It just sounds so reasonable. Right? 26.
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I wish they stopped calling me a terrorist. That's what I wish. I wish they stopped calling me a radical. None of these people are radical. They just want healthcare. They want to end American militarism. They want to spend money on roads, on infrastructure, on schooling, on healthcare, rather than bombs overseas.
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They're not radicals, Jeremy. They just want health care. They just want roads. They just want to stop carpet bombing foreign countries, which, you know, if they
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don't want to be called terrorists, they should stop cheering for people who fry, who fly hang gliders into concerts to murder people.
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Yeah.
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Which they do. They stop waving Hamas headbands, which they do. We're having someone going to the New York Senate who waves a Hamas headband. They like that. They like Hamas because they like to imagine Hamas doing Hamas things to people in America.
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No, that's absolutely right. And I think, you know, one of the interesting things I think you guys were getting at just a little bit earlier that's important is that when we talk about socialism, that's kind of an area ideology. It can mean a lot, but when you kind of get down to it, it is. We want to take the stuff of the people who have it. Well, if you're new to this country and you're typically not white, you don't necessarily have it. And the people who have it tend to be older and whiter. That's not a coincidence. In many ways, socialism is kind of just a coverall here for anti whiteness, for anti white rhetoric. There are degrees to which it's just bad for socialism, too. And again, if you look at that 66% approval for socialism, look at what that number would be for Democrats under 40. I bet it's closer to 80%. So that's where the center of gravity of the Democrat Party is. And some people who are sort of sitting on the fence right now are Going to have to make some choices. And you alluded to this earlier. Is it MAGA or is it political Islam? Is it socialism? Is it mamdaniism? Is it mangionism? Because those are really the choices on offer. It's not this imaginary abundance agenda that the Democrats are pushing.
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C
We have to take it seriously. America was blessed, and as bad as Democrats could be. We were blessed for a long time that we didn't have a major truly socialist party. If you go back to about World War II, America and Britain were similarly rich. And now we're way ahead of Britain. Why did that happen? Because Britain had a real socialist party that did. Socialism ruined their economy for two decades. We got way ahead of them. We used to be tied with a lot of Western Europe around the time of the Great recession. Now we're 50%. We're way ahead of them. All these World cup guests are noticing how rich America is. Why are we so much richer than Europe? We don't have socialism ruining our growth rates. That actually socialism sucks, as Charlie said.
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B
And by the way, New York has been falling on hard times the more socialist it's become. You know that 42% of New York residents are on Medicaid. One in five are on food stamps. One in three live in rent stabilized apartments.
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C
One in eight of their jobs are those fake Medicaid homeworkers.
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B
And that's what happens once you get in. It just becomes this spiral deeper and deeper. Jeremy Karl, thank you, my friend. Good to see you.
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F
Thanks so much for having me.
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B
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I
I'm doing good. I, I was just on the other line with Students for Justice in Palestine.
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B
Oh, I wanted to. What did you learn?
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I
Pure sarcasm, but that's what it feels. I, you know, I never have time to watch your opening segment, but I did today. I watched the full first hour and that's what it feels like to me. It feels like SJP all grown up. Like all the freaky crazy people from. Yeah, they were on. I mean even when I went to college 35, 40 years ago, they were around, you know.
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B
Yeah, well, listen, yeah, as Charlie said all the time, he said what happens on campus doesn't stay on campus. It goes and it spreads into the halls of Congress, into corporate boardrooms all across the country. So yeah, they are coming. The march is coming. The long march institutions was remarkably successful.
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I
Yeah, they were practicing. It was like college. They were. I mean these people were heavily, heavily involved in college government everywhere. It doesn't matter if you went to the University of Virginia like I did or Dartmouth or University of Washington. Like they were everywhere and they were practicing, they were cosplaying and none of, I don't know, I didn't pay attention to them. I did student government my first year at UVA and then I just could not standal. Excuse me. I could not handle the, like, the egos of these people that took themselves so seriously on these incredibly stupid issues, stupid social issues. But anyway, they took themselves seriously and they never stopped. And then now they're, you know, winning, winning elections in New York City. So it was a pretty crazy night.
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B
Well, I mean, look at this. One of the, I mean this is not why we had you on, but it is still very newsworthy. Said we are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization. We seek community and instruction from militants in the Global south who have been on the front lines of the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order. I mean, these people have been completely and utterly ideologically captured, and they have zero gratitude for the blessings of living in the United States, which affords them the luxury to have such retarded views.
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I
Yeah, that. I mean, your last point is the really good one. And that's. What if I ever really. I don't. You know, I'm stuck in headquarters here, so I never get to interact with these kind of people. But that. Your last point is, what I'd want to talk to him about is like, hey, does it ever occur to you that you're only able to say these things and have these things because of, you know, because of the special, special conditions that exist here in the United States? And, yeah, there's. It's. There. They're 100% captured. It's. It's whatever. They never shut it off. Like, it's. It. This is like, this is who they are. So, look, it immediately makes me think of midterms, Right. And how do we defeat this? You know, is this really just New York City or is it other places? Obviously, we're seeing it in Los Angeles. So I immediately. I think of midterms and I think of turnout. Right. That. That's really all this is going to be about. If we get crazy turnout, we can still. We can still. So, anyway, I try to be positive.
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B
I want to. Let's talk about turnout, because that's where I was going to go as well. So I mentioned it briefly with Jeremy Carl. But we have to look in the mirror as conservatives and ask ourselves the question, did we deliver on the promises of 2024? And I think for a lot of people that that answer is no. Right. But there's some signs of hope. And I texted you, Kane, I said, how's the base vibe? How's everything going? And you said, based on the Iran potential peace deal with Iran, things were looking up. The base was loving it. Right. And now you've got President Trump this morning who just said, hey, I'm not gonna sign this housing bill, which probably is popular, something we care about. Right. But I'm not gonna do it unless the leadership within the Senate actually gets serious about the Save America Act.
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C
He says, I am canceling a Senate signing of it until we pass the desperately needed Save America act, which I consider to be a national emergency.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Thank you for your attention.
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B
And by the way, I got feedback instantly from some of these staffers with these senators, and they're all loving this. They love that he's playing hardball. Multiple people sent me texts going like, we couldn't have imagined he would take it this far. We're so excited. This is going to be a huge shot across the bow for Senate leadership. Tell us what the base wants here, Kane.
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I
Well, so you started this off by saying, is, you know, is it that the promises that were made in 2024, do we not fulfill them? And is that part of the reason that we lost last night? And my. Here's my theory on that. Sure, we. Maybe we didn't deliver on everything, or we haven't yet, but I don't believe that's it. I really, truly believe that these elections are decided by the independents. Right. I really, you know, and that's why I tend to post those whenever we get new numbers on independence.
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G
So.
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I
So I feel like this is where the media is killing us. The media, they did this after 2016, and they're doing it again now, where they completely, you know, turn everything about Trump and about the American First Movement into. Into something evil. And they convinced. And you've seen the numbers, and they convince independents not to vote Republican. So just on that little point, I'm not so sure. I don't really think it's promises not kept. I really think it's just the media is killing us and turning independents against us. Now, back to how the base feels, the vibe, you're right about Iran. You know, look, I've got a wide, you know, every. It's not just me at Citizen Free Press, but everywhere in the Republican Party, there's a. There's all kinds of different views on the Iran war. And so, yeah, there are people who say, why are we even negotiating with them? We need to, you know, continue to bomb them. I've got other people saying, no, this is a good thing, but maybe let's try not to fund them too much or at least help. Help them get these reconstruction funds. But the overall vibe is positive. Yes. I mean, I noticed, for example, you guys didn't even talk about it in the first hour of the show. So that's a good sign, right? We aren't even talking about the Iran war. So hopefully Vance and the team, Witkoff and Kushner, they can. They can, you know, we can get the things we want. And hopefully, you know, I mean, look, if, for example, the thing that freaks people out the most, I believe, about all this, are the Billions that are talked about. Right. And so that $300 billion fund, I heard someone talking about it, and I want to point out this is going to be probably money from the Gulf nations, and it's. These are going to be loans even from them that are going to be backed by oil revenues, future oil revenues. So even if US Dollars were not going to be involved in this, or even if US Dollars were going to be involved, we're. We're going to get our money back. So I want people to, you know, I put those headlines up a lot about the billions involved, you know, and I want to make sure people understand that, you know, Trump and Vance are on this. So back to the vibe. The vibe is good, man. We just got to. It's buckle down. Time for the midterms. If we. If we somehow come up with the theme that these are the most important midterms of our lives and Trump and Susie Wiles and everybody gets involved, I feel like that's our only way. So I'm hoping we can have some crazy momentum.
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B
Yeah. And to underscore your point, I mean, check out the poly market odds. We're not paid by them or anything like that. But I do think it's interesting that poly market odds for JD Vance becoming the nominee in 2028 shot up instantly as soon as he started negotiating this peace deal. I mean, that is a very telltale sign.
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C
We've talked Kane about. Is there a split between D.C. where I think D.C. has the people who are certainly most enthusiastic about war, but also most. They're most worried about the idea that if America is spending taxpayer dollars on this or if we do look like we're getting the bad end of the deal. Whereas my sense is, in a lot of America, they really do just. They want peace. They will like it. If JD Vance is associated with the peace deal, they want out. They want the war to be over, and they don't care nearly as much about what the details are.
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I
Yeah, I agree with that. And Vance just looks so damn presidential. He was out there. I couldn't believe. Look, when you're like me and you watch somebody's media performances all day, right from morning till night, and see all the different shows that he's doing, it's just stunning to me that he could hold it together at the end of the night, and he did it for like 48 hours straight, and he was always good, and he was smiling with Joy Behar, which was just astonishing to me.
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B
That's the real miracle, Kane. That's the real Miracle.
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I
It really was.
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B
And by the way, Kane, Kane, look at this. Gas prices below $70 right now. Throw that grass.
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C
Oil prices, oil prices.
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B
Oil prices.
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C
$70 a gallon, that'd be scary.
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B
Oil prices below 70. All right, Kane. Little bit of a curveball here. Little bit of a curveball. I know you're a big sports ball fan. You enjoy the sports. We've got Euros from overseas apologizing to Americans right now. This is a true thing. They say we were wrong. We are seeing your country with fresh eyes. And they're helping us see our country with fresh eyes.
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C
America rocks.
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B
America rocks. It turns out we're not poor like the uk. We actually have capitalism. So they're seeing that with their own eyes. We've got the Knicks winning their first championship since 1973. We've got baseball hats causing controversy with the LGBT. It is pride Month after all. Actually, it's nuclear family month. Kane, are you just enjoying this sportsball summer like the rest of us? UFC 250.
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F
Yeah.
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I
UFC 250, yeah, I'm enjoying the summer. My own sports ball summer, too. I'll get to the professionals, but, you know, some might call me a golf professional that was never able to completely dedicate his life to the task. So I've been able to golf a bit myself on weekends. The next thing you know, mixed feelings because I'm. I grew up, obviously, in the heartland of basketball in the Hoosier State, and so I've been a Pacers fan and I remember. And Reggie Miller was doing these games. Yeah. And so I remember. Whatever. So it's like Patrick Ewing and John Starks and all those. All those Knicks guys that were villains for me, but I was happy, you know, whatever. It's mixed feelings. Like, I wanted to make fun of them for their celebrations and the fights and the brawls, and I wanted to bring him down, but I was happy they won. And OG Anunoby, he's. He played for Indiana University. He played for Tom Crean. Recruited that guy. He was a two star recruit. You'll be interested in this, both of you. He was a two star recruit out of. Out of Missouri. And he comes to IU and a 6, 7, 2, 15 and he could guard. He could guard the 5 and he could guard ones. He could, you know, and so he only lasted two years at IU and then was drafted by Toronto. And then. Anyway, so I was happy for OG Anunoby. As far as baseball, I'm a Cubs guy.
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B
But they come back the other day, didn't they What?
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C
Say that they had a big comeback the other day. They scored eight runs or something in the eighth, something like that.
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B
Yeah. Well, the Cubs are either hot or they're cold. Don't get Danny started on the Cubs. Yeah, yeah.
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I
Well, I know Charlie loved them. They were my whole life. My first game, I was like age 4 at Wrigley Field. But at the same time, my favorite player in baseball is Kyle Schwaber. Mr. America, Kyle Schwaber. And it's because when he was 21 and he was a baseball player at IU, I was golfing at the IU course in the summer and he joined us at the turn. So I golf with him from hole 10 to 18. And as you know, Schwaber is like 511 and a half, 230. He was a middle linebacker in Ohio, you know, played in middle and. And the dude is just all hips and pelvis and he could. It was just insane. So, anyway, it is such a guy.
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B
I can hit a baseball 500ft. It's just insane. He's going to be. He's going to be the backup D in the All Star Game, by the way, because Shohei Ohtani's got like 2.5 million votes. He's the top vote getter, but he could make. You could make a case that he should be starting. Okay, hold on. I have to pivot back. I have to pivot back here, Kane, because we only got three minutes left. Danny is telling me that a lot of emails that we're getting are a bit negative on Vance.
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C
They're anti Vance. They want Rubio, they're pro Rubio and they're pro war generally, a lot.
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B
So it tends to be a certain part of the audience that reacts to certain way. What is your vibe on Vance, Rubio and how does the. How does the base feel about Vance, especially on the. With the backdrop of these Iranian peace talks, it's.
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I
To me, it's a dream team. I want them together. But it's interesting that you asked that because there have been battles in the open threat and CFP about this. Half the crowd just loves Vance and thinks that J.D. excuse me, thinks that Rubio doesn't quite have it. And then there's the other side that thinks that Vance doesn't have the charisma and that Rubio's got it all. I think they both have the charisma that they both have the Riz, as the kids say. And I think they both can be presidents. And I don't know how they decided between them. I feel like, you got to be deferential. Like, you ended up Secretary of State. You weren't chosen as the vp, so you're going to have to be the VP when JD Runs. And I really. That's what I mean. Personally, I want JD at the top of the ticket and Marco right beneath him. But in terms of like, sort of emails and the pro. I have that sort of pro bomb, pro war crowd, like, they want to finish off Iran. I never really associated that with Rubio so much. But obviously, we do know those of us who are junkies, we do know that Vance was against the war from the beginning. So maybe that's why the pro war crowd, you know, feels more aligned with Rubio. But. But hey, for me, I want them both on that ticket. I think they would be fantastic. And Rubio is young. Like, he'll. He won't even be 60 if he served as vice president for eight years under Vance. So that's the way I would do it.
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B
Yeah. And I will tell you, Charlie did put out one tweet. He said, I remember it, I remember it well, but it was like, Vance Rubio, I'm going to give myself one minute to just daydream about how great a ticket that would be. And then he was like, okay, onward, enough of that. You know, we got work to do. But it was, you know, Charlie was supportive of that ticket, too, and a little bit inside baseball, you know, for those who are curious, what I have been told and these things change. Rubio's allowed to make up his mind and change his mind as time goes on, is that he did not like running for president now. Fair enough. He was running against Donald Trump. Who would like running against Donald Trump? You know, calling him Little Marco and things like that. Obviously, that's all water under the bridge now. But he didn't like it. And I think he has endorsed J.D. vance publicly at least two or three times.
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I
Yeah.
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B
But I do hear behind the scenes that he is putting out a few calls, few feelers, just to. Just a temperature check with some of the people, some of the power players that could make that happen. So it's not over. But those are the outward indications that we've got from Rubio.
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C
We'll see. But I did check the Charlie thing, and we have to remember, we have more than two years. He says, let's stay focused on the work in front of us. You know, what's better than daydreaming about our ticket in 28 getting so many wins that whoever we nominate is going to romp yeah, that's what we should aim for.
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B
Citizen Free Press. Check out the stack today. I check it multiple times every day. Citizen Kane. God bless you, my friend. We'll talk to you soon.
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I
All right, talk to you guys. I enjoyed it. Thanks.
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B
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H
Thank you for having me. You guys have some excellent microphone taste over there in studio.
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B
Well, you know, we have Charlie to thank for that. We tried out a bunch of microphones. It doesn't sound right. It's too tinny, it's too light. Gave our production team quite the run around for years.
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C
It's so funny you mentioned that, just because I was watching one of your clips last night and I did think, oh, that's the same microphone we have. And I'm not usually a microphone noticer.
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B
No, but these are good. These are actually the same one Rush used. That was what Charlie wanted. Give me the ones Rush uses. So, and actually, you'll appreciate this. When we had Glenn in the studio, he brought the golden EIB microphone, put it on the set. It was cool. It was very cool. Very touching. All right, so John, I wanted to talk to you about something because you've been really outspoken on a topic that I think, you know, we just had Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Pass on. We're talking about turnout. We got this DSA thing going on, you know, but our right wing coalition is fraying at the edges and you've been outspoken about it. And so I'm just going to, I'm going to go ahead and play a montage here of people saying they're leaving the Republican Party, they're done with the GOP. South34 I would not support the Republican Party.
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H
There's no chance I would support the Republican Party, not going to support the Democratic Party. I don't know what I'm going to do. But at this point, you know, how
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A
could you support, how could I or
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H
any American voter support a political party that's not loyal to the United States?
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B
Iran left stronger, we are left,
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we
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F
weaker, our allies are left weaker.
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B
I do not think we should be sending money to the Ayatollah.
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A
That money will be used to murder Americans.
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C
I'm afraid we'll look back on this
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B
and see a missed opportunity to basically eliminate the threat. The details that I've seen so far
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look like, look, look awful.
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B
This will go down as a tremendous foreign policy blunder. I think it's a deep mistake. Wicker also said the 300 billion dollar
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reconstruction fund to help Iran recover from
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B
the war make Iran's payoff Under President Obama's 2015 deal look like a pittance by comparison.
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C
You get an interesting contrast there because it really, I think it gets at Tucker there is saying he's extremely angry at the gop. It's putting America last. And then we actually have this giant parade of Republican senators saying they're very angry that we're getting out of the Iran war, that this deal is, is, I guess not putting the war first.
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B
Foreign policy is by far and away the most controversial issue on the right. So, Jon, what do you make of what's going on currently in our movement?
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H
I just don't understand. I mean, I understand why like the neocon class would be upset about that decision. I don't understand why somebody like Tucker Carlson would be upset about that decision necessarily. And I don't even think that clip was what he was responding to initially. I think it was just sort of the vague, you know, the GOP is controlled by foreign interests and therefore I'm not going to align myself with that political party because they're not refuse or they're refusing rather to put America first. But the problem with that is I remember, and I'm sure you guys remember Tucker Carlson was the guy who in the height of neocon control over Washington was going to go on Fox and wear a bow tie and talk about how much he loved the Iraq war and defended the actions of George Bush. And it's only now, after what did he say, like 35 years, that he's deciding that, you know, the party is too controlled by support for foreign countries and so he can no longer participate in it. And literally, in the span that he has been involved in politics, that has never been less accurate than it is now. I mean, Donald Trump is the guy who got on stage in 2015 and said to Jeb Bush's face, the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake. I mean, arguably, if not for immigration and trade policy, it was the repudiation of this exact kind of like, neocon era foreign policy that animated his campaign originally. And he's actually stuck to those promises, like, fantastically well, I think. And so I don't understand why now, if not, you know, over the past 20, 30 years, you would want to make a move like that. I can only assume it's because these people just basically want to ensure Democrat victory so they can get more engagement. Because, you know, it's the famous adage, right? No one wants to read a headline about a plane landing safely. It actually benefits the influencer class when things are going very poorly because they have more to talk about. Because Americans are terrified that their children are being propagandized and their grandmothers are being mugged. And so they tune into people looking for answers. And so there is a very actually perverse incentive structure, I think.
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C
John, there was a tweet of yours yesterday that you're kind of referring to with what you just said, and it's not even just the neocon aspects of thing. In the same interview there, Tucker also complained that the administration hasn't taken action on, for example, like anti white sentiment in America, that there's anti white racism, anti white bias in the government. And first of all, as you say, are we perfect on this issue? Not yet. And yet you're allowed to talk about it. When I was working with him at Fox in 2017, 2018, Fox would like not let us say anti white racism on the air now. Politicians talk about it. It's a live issue and the DOJ has taken action. They are suing people over this. And I especially want to highlight what you said in your tweet where you just say the people who do like neocon stuff would like nothing better than for a bunch of people to rage. Quit the gop. Yes, please pack up and leave. You can even, you can be based if you want to, but whatever you want to do, just quit.
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H
Yeah, yeah. They're just better at politics than, than a lot of these people. Who think they're better on the issues are. And ultimately that's what's important. And so I just don't, I'm not impressed by that. You know, people who just like found out about like ideas that you weren't allowed to say on Fox News, for example, five seconds ago, and now they think that, like, it's enough to simply be like, correct about the ideas. And that thinking has actually been the problem that, you know, conservatives have had in government forever. I mean, we believe that we will win because our heart is true, we have the correct ideas. We simply know better and so we'll win the argument. The left doesn't play that way. They play the real politics game and that's why they lap us at literally everything. And so what was the old, you know, thing people would say and make fun of the old GOP for my principles, right? I'm not going to play politics because I have principles. I will be a beautiful loser. These people do the same thing where they say, I'm not going to play politics, I'm going to opt out. And they won't say it's my principles, but they'll say it's because I'm just base. I'm just too far right.
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G
Right.
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H
For these people. And so I'm going to wait, let the country collapse and then once it gets harder to win, it will actually become easier to win because like my niche political ideology will ascend from the ashes and stand atop like the Phoenix.
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B
Yeah, well, I'm not accusing Tucker of accelerationism, but I do think it would be helpful to lay out this basic taxonomy of the right because I think it's important for our audience to understand that within the coalition there are these factions and they're of part pulling at one another and they're trying to sway one another and label one another to different things. So let's just start with the neocons. You got the neocons over here. That would have been the Cornyns, the Senator Cruz in that picture. Then you've got the plan trusters, right? Those are people that are die hard maga. They trust the President no matter what he does. You might think of it like a Michael Knowles. Some people put Turning point in that category. I would slightly disagree with that, but whatever. That's kind of the perception. Then you've got the dissidents. This would be people that would never vote Democrat, but they want to keep the administration accountable. Right. They want to criticize what they want to criticize and that sort of thing. So you're not always going to get favorable treatment from them, but they're definitely not Democrats. That would be like kind of like a Matt Walsh if you would. Then you've got the small L Libertarians. These would be the Massey supporters. Josie, the red headed libertarian who was on the show, these people. And Josie warned us, these people will just opt out. They will just stop voting if they get demoralized, if they feel like their pet issues are not getting serviced sufficiently. And then you have over here on the far end, the accelerationists. And the accelerationists are saying, don't vote for Republicans. We want to purify the party. We want them to lose terribly so that we can build something more ideologically pure in its place out of the ashes, out of the rubble.
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C
John, you would agree with that acceleration, whatever its emotional appeal is. Basically, let's win by jumping off a bridge.
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H
Yeah, yeah. I mean, like me, when the originally leftist political theory seems to only benefit the left, like the right does not do better in times of chaos. I mean, that kind of like stuff only seems to benefit the left. And also it seems that right now we have a very rare opportunity to actually like stop the decline of our country and make real material progress. And so it's very dishonest to me when I see people who are just casting arrows at the gop, broadly speaking, which for virtually our entire lives has been disappointing to say the least. But for the last few years, it's actually started to improve in a very positive and actually kind of like incomprehensible direction. And so it's not honest to write off the whole GOP and use vague language like, look at, they failed to do anything. That said, I'm finally quitting. And it's like, dude, we've never had a better opportunity to actually address the issues you claim to care about so much than we do right now. And I have friends, we all have friends in D.C. we all kind of know what's going on there and how hard these guys are working and how they're totally aware of what's going on and how to fix it. They need now more than ever actually like support. They need to understand that they have friends out there who will support them if and when the imminent leftist counterattack comes. Which, by the way, they're quite openly advertising that, you know, when they get back into power, they're going to prosecute people, they're going to dox ICE agents. Like, now is not the time to signal that we are not all unified collectively against the global left. Now is actually the time while we control the federal government to actually like dig our heels into the sand and say, no, we're not going to retreat because we sense the potential threat for like an imminent counterattack. We are actually going to stay in this fight because, yeah, the enemy, be that, you know, the establishment, gop, the left, they don't care why you leave the fight. It can be because you're so ideologically pure. It can be because you're a coward. It can be for literally whatever reason, they are happy when there are fewer people throwing their weight behind the political project of Donald Trump. It's as simple as that.
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B
Well said, John. And I totally agree. You know, we often make the point here that if you just took an image of the Senate now versus 10 years ago, there's so many better representatives there.
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C
Everything is getting better. One election at a.
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B
One election at a time. We just have to stay the course. Because as you said, it's unimaginable how far we've come. Actually, when you just took a snapshot 10 years ago to now, it's incredible. I gotta tell you about it. Cause I'm so proud of the team. They've come out with this whole new merch line, America 250. And yeah, you might recognize Russ in that video. I don't know who the gals are. That's Russ from Thoughtcrime and other different things we do around here, modeling these beautiful shirts. So check it out right now. Go check out our store, TheCharlicirkStore.com and get yours today. Special America 250. And by the way, the fabric on this, they've like upgraded the fabric. It's very nice, it's very, very quality. So check it out today. Good job to the team putting that out there. So special America 250 merch collection. Check it out today. John Doyle, welcome back. You know, so what's interesting right now in this coalition is that they are that taxonomy of the right that I laid out. It's like the accelerationists want to peel off the small Ls and the dissidents and the neocons want to label the plan trusters, if you will, as neocons. And it's like that's not true at all. Right? So if I give the President the benefit of the doubt, all of a sudden I'm like wanting to lob bombs on foreign countries all day long. That's not at all true. Right. But it's just interesting how the factions are trying to pull the coalition apart right down the middle. And really we need to Keep everybody together. How do we do that?
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H
That is a very good question. That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I feel like we just kind of have to keep our head down and keep telling the truth. I mean, people seem to really just want the blood and the drama and all of that. But I would hope that the higher quality people who are more interested in just like actual solutions to the problems that we face and that literally threaten our entire civilization, I would hope that those heads can ultimately prevail though. I'm a bit jaded these days. But I think that really like all of that conflict, I mean really the neocons stand to benefit more than anybody from that. I mean, these are people who are still very well entrenched into positions of power in Washington and throughout the party. They stand to benefit if we do not have momentum behind like the sort of ascendant America first cause. And I think that the maybe accelerationist types is perhaps is implied by their title being acceleration is they're very happy to just burn everything down so they feel like they can take a victory lap on social media. And so the first step is I think just like ostracize those people. I really think that any organization that takes itself seriously, be that an institution or even just a party or a movement, you can't tolerate low quality behavior and you can't tolerate low quality people. I mean if you and I were trying to prepare a meal and I was in the kitchen just like, you know, throwing eggs around and like, look, it breaks if I throw it. Like you would kick me out very quickly. And that's for something extremely low stakes, like a dinner party. I mean we're talking about the future of our nation, a country that we will continue to live in, our children will live in. Like we have to actually take this extremely seriously. And people I think have a tendency maybe well meaning to you know, indulge a lot of this stuff from people and say, well yeah, they were lying and they were wrong and they're accusing people of like taking money and being compromised. But can you at least understand that they're only doing that because they're really concerned and it's like, dude, like no, I'm not going to excuse like low quality behavior because of socioeconomic factors or something. Like we're right wing, we're supposed to understand that. And I think when we stop, you know, rewarding this behavior and indulging in it, we can all operate as a much more well oiled machine. Because right now there's way Too much of that. Well, you got to hand it to him. He may have lied about this thing the Trump administration did, but it's only because he really cares about the issue of immigration. And what you don't. It's like this is not, this is not how adults engage in politics. This is just like unproductive and stupid.
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B
Yeah.
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C
John, I've really appreciated on your X account you've had pinned since September 10, Charlie there, never surrender. And that's one of the big lessons all of us, all of us take with from Charlie. He was such a builder, he was such a relentless growth mindset. He would always be. He would tell us no black pilling, even if the news is bad. No black pilling. And he would always be fixated on these little. There we go, there we go. We have the no black pilling image on screen right now. And he would always be telling us he loved the executive orders that the Trump administration is doing. You know, the attacks on dei, the new focus on housing, these little wins that we're getting the border secured and is it sexy to talk about that? No, they'd rather talk about whatever the new thing is. And yet here's this big enduring win that will last for years to come.
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B
Your colleague actually over at The Blaze, Orrin McIntyre, had a great tweet sort of on this. He goes again, I've had plenty of issues with the admin's current foreign policy decisions, but you would never see another GOP president discuss these realities. The Overton Window has forever been moved by Trump and whatever his faults, that should be appreciated. And he throws up this truth social from Trump where he goes, lifetime contributions per immigrant. I think we have this image and it's that it is extraordinarily based for a president.
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C
Yeah. That immigrants from Scandinavia are great net contributors and refugees that we take from, from the Horn of Africa tend to not be long term contributors. Where we've come so far from. I remember when Trump said, why are we taking people from bleep hole countries? Apocalyptic response. It was the biggest story for several days in a row. People thought we might have to impeach him over this. And now the President just throws it out on truth and everyone's like, that's awesome.
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B
I often think about this. Do you remember the battle in Trump 1.0 to get Wall funding? And it was like the wall was this symbol of racism and bigotry and hate. And we don't build walls, we build bridges. Hysteria and dunks.
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C
Now CNN dunks that he's not building it as fast as he's promised. He says they could get it done by the end of next year, but they'll have to speed it up to get that done. CNN dunking on us for not building the wall fast.
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B
He sent hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, and they threw such a fit about $20 billion for the wall, and now you don't even hear about it. It's just getting built. That's progress. Yeah, yeah.
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H
And you can even tell in the sort of messaging they deliver. You know, for 10 years, I remember, we would always try to invoke hypocrisy. We would say, you know, the left says this, but they do this. And that would be what we were doing. You know, we were CNN talking about the wall. It's like, now they have to do that because they're losing their grip on power. And when you don't have power, all of a sudden, the only thing you can do is point out the standards and how you know your enemy's not following them or something. When you have power, you can do whatever you want. You can set the standard. You can hold your enemies accountable to the standard, but not follow it yourself. And, you know, that's a little ugly, but that's just sort of how the game is played. And so I saw that for so long, conservatives couldn't actually do anything to stop the decline of our country. But we could say, well, the left says this, but they're doing this. They want socialism for everybody, yet they have three homes. And it's like, that's true, but ultimately, that doesn't solve problems. What seems to be working now is actually occupying institutions and wielding the power of the government, as we're supposed to be doing. And so now the left is on the back foot, and they can't do anything to stop it, despite literally everything that they have tried. And so now all they can do is just impotently whine about standards. You know, you say funding for this, yet you do this. You're concerned about a ballroom, yet we have poor people. It's like, yeah, please, let me fill up my liberal tears. Tumblr. I hope that you continue that. I hope that you don't regroup.
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B
I love what you just said. Like occupying institutions, using and wielding power. We have to be bold in the use of power. Listen, I've got complaints. I want an immigration moratorium, like, 20 years ago. I don't hear anybody really talking about that yet. And I'm gonna keep banging the drum because I know it's popular and I know it's needed. But that doesn't mean you give up on the whole project just because you're not getting the thing that you think is the most critical. There's only one team that could deliver that. There's only one team, and we gotta keep holding their feet to the fire. But no black pilling. We are making progress. Final 20 seconds to you, Jon.
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H
There's literally no reason to ever black pill anything, whether you're playing a sport, playing a game. There's no reason to ever give up. People think optimism is like lying. People think I'm optimistic, so I'm gonna, like, delude myself about the reality of the situation. Being optimistic literally just means not giving up and thinking, okay, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll figure it out. And people who tend to have that mindset tend to curiously outperform people who just look at the negative and everything.
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B
We're gonna keep building, we're gonna keep fighting, and we will win. John Doyle. Thank you, my friend. God bless you.
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H
Thank you.
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C
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