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My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegold investments.com, that is noblegoldinvestments.com
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all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is July 8th and we are in the midst of the preliminary hearing week. And as the schedule goes, they're taking this morning off. So we have a normal show, which is actually kind of nice in the middle of the week because there's a ton of other news going on, going on.
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C
The world has not stopped.
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B
Nope, to say the least. Even though it feels like that a little bit for me personally, because we. What do we do? We do the show about the preliminary, preliminary hearing, and then we get done with the show and then we watch the preliminary and then we do a post show.
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C
So. But it is. But actually, in fact, more news than normal is happening. And it's even occurred to me in it's a lot of stories that I think a mix of ones Charlie would have found very important, like with Iran, and also ones he would have found pretty entertaining. You know, Charlie would really love laying into Graham platner.
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B
Is Mitch McConnell dead?
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C
Yeah, we'd get all over that.
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B
We have a great series of guests today, by the way. We got going to start out the gate strong with Shaun Davis, one of our absolute favorites. Then we've got Scott Jennings, who we're going to ask, is Mitch McConnell dead? Is he. Are we Weekend at Bernie's kind of thing or whatever. Got Cam Higby and then we got Alex Marlow. So just a total amazing run of show today. Sean, welcome back. To the show, my friend.
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D
Good to be back. Thank you for having me.
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B
So, listen, you know, you're welcome back. You are one of those people, if you say, I want to come on, which you never do, I'm always the one asking. But, you know, I would just find a place for you. So it's great to have you. I want to start kind of with the biggie on the eye chart here, which is the preliminary hearing. I've seen you active on social media, so explain to me how you think that's going. And then I want to get into the Iran stuff.
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D
Yeah, the whole hearing thing is a little weird because I guess they don't do the grand jury thing in Utah. So it's kind of wrap your head around it when you're used to someone being indicted and then they just end up being tried on the case, you know, it's a little quirky. So we're seeing a lot of very preliminary stuff. They're having to clear this bar of, is there enough evidence to charge this guy? And, you know, from what I've seen so far, I thought it was a pretty strong case before all the proceedings started this week. And I've moved from, yeah, it's a pretty strong case to kind of. It's like it's not just open and shut. It's a slam dunk case. They know exactly what Tyler Robinson was doing. They know where he was, they know when he was. They've got his DNA on everything. I don't expect it's going to be a long trial once the actual trial begins, but I've actually been surprised by how overwhelming the evidence is against Tyler Robinson.
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B
Yeah. I mean, there's also kind of the social media of it. All. Right. It's something that we've had to kind of be forced to experience firsthand. Right. With all the conspiracy theories, with all the noise it feels, and I've gotten so many texts to this effect, it feels like the tide is turning. It becomes incredibly difficult to hold certain conspiracy theories when you find out there's video evidence of him being on campus four times that day, or when you find out that his DNA is on all the objects that were found on the rooftop, where we have video of him going up on the rooftop and dropping down and so on and so forth. What do you think of the state of the Internet right now and the social media of it all? And what has been the most, I guess, breakthrough, bombshell piece of evidence that we've seen so far from your eyes?
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D
Yeah, you know, the Internet's a weird place. It's so hard to tell if what you're seeing on it is representative everyone or whether it's just a particular corner of the Internet is really loud. And there was a corner of the Internet that was super, super loud. These are the people who just, like, think everything they see in real life is true crime and they're a part of the case. They get to go solve this case, and they can go a little crazy. You know, I think the crazy was running rampant for a little while, just with bonkers theories everywhere. And look, I don't have a problem with people being skeptical of an official government story. I think that's generally pretty healthy. But at some point, you actually have to use your brain and be like, well, do the facts fit the case here? And in this one, they absolutely do. I think the DNA evidence is pretty overwhelming. Not surprising, but overwhelming. And then just the way they were able to track him kind of casing everything moving about, the meticulousness with which they have tracked him, I think is pretty amazing. That was stuff we hadn't seen so far. And so I think, as far as, like, some of the crazies, you may have had, people who are thinking like, yeah, yeah, you know, I assume Tyler Robinson did it, but I have some questions about this and about that. I think you're going to even see that level of skepticism start to fade away as people are like, yeah, this was an interesting thing to muse about when there was a vacuum and nothing big going on. But now that the rubber has met the road, that we're actually to the point where we're gonna be able to convict and then hold accountable the person who did it. I think you're gonna see a lot of the nuttiness and a lot of the craziness kind of just melt away.
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C
I'm hoping you're right, Sean. Although I'm also paying attention, and it's very easy to see there are a good number of people where I just think they come in with motivated reasoning they've always been committed to. I am not going to believe the case against Tyler Robinson, and they will find whatever they possibly can. So, for example, yesterday we had, as we mentioned, the footage on campus four different times on it, on campus, wearing normal clothes, so you can easily tell who it is. And they're still running with, oh, actually, we think this is the wrong height for that person. We think they're wearing the same shoes, but different clothes we're wearing. So how do we know it's not. They didn't switch out to an entirely
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new limp in a different leg.
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C
Oh, the limp is slightly off.
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We don't.
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B
And Sean, they're saying a bald man was driving the car late that night, which means it was either you or Blake.
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C
Yeah, I mean, we can joke about that, but they're really doing that. Or they're saying he met with Turning Point people. And I'm pretty sure they just meant he talked to the people who were setting up the event because he was planning a shoot.
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B
Can you say that really quick? This is the silliest thing ever. Turning Point staff and students are out on the. Where they're setting up the event. They're out there early in the morning and lots of people come up and talk to them and they go, what time does it start? Sure, I'll come back. They're asking and by the way, they want to encourage people to come. You should check it out. Come back when we're doing this. That's the way this works.
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C
Yeah, that's clearly what happened. And instead people are. I mean, we saw this with Candace. She's demanding, who was the person that he was meeting with? I can't wait to find that out. Oh, so you're going to go find another person that to loop into your theories, Another person to harass, another person to dig into every single one of their family members. It's disgusting. And it gets back to the key thing, which I've said, is these people, I don't think they're motivated by wanting to find the truth. They're actually just motivated. They want the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.
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Yeah, you know, it's so I've worked, you know, in investigative journalism for 15 years. Before that I was an investigator on the Hill for an investigative committee. And then one thing you really learn as someone who investigates stuff and gets into it is you have to learn not to get too bought in to a particular theory because this weird sort of confirmation bias kicks in and then it becomes its own echo chamber and kind of self fulfilling prophecy. It's something you learn over time. You'll find this little tidbit and you'll get super excited. But you have to learn at some point the facts need to fit the theory instead of looking constantly for ways to make the theory fit the facts. That's obviously what Candace is doing. That's what a lot of these people are doing. Whether she's nuts, whether she's dishonest, whether she's dumb, whether it's a combination of all three. A lot of people don't have the discernment or self control, once they kind of reach the point of no return, to just be like, I was wrong. I thought it was this. It's not that I'm moving on. She clearly doesn't have that. But thankfully, most people are not where she is. She's not representative of the Internet or everyone is.
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B
Well said. Well said. All right, Sean, One of the stories that is now happening as we speak, President Trump is in Turkey for a NATO summit and we're bombing Iran again. So that's fun. He's now saying, you know, straight up to him, he says to me, the MoU is done. I don't want to deal with these scumbags anymore. What do we make of this? Cuz, I know you and I, Blake included, we are skeptical about this war, but we were excited about the prospect of peace. Is peace achievable?
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D
Oh, I think peace is always achievable. And, you know, with Trump, it's hard to know when he uses that rhetoric. Is he trying to scare them? We know he's not bluffing because he's more than happy to just bomb the crap out of them back into good behavior. Is he bluffing? Is he trying to get them to come to their senses? And you also have the question of, like, what is actually going on in Iran? Who is in charge there? Who's making the decisions? Was this a deliberate government effort to go and try and blow up the MoU? Is there a faction in there that wants to keep the war going, that doesn't like the prospect of peace? And so they thought, oh, Trump is in Turkey, let's go harass some ships on the Strait of Hormuz and, you know, show him who's boss. I think what's probably likely going forward is just a very, very low level simmer, you know, potshots here and there. Iran doesn't really have the capability to do much beyond that. They've, they've been bombed back to the stone age. They have no, they have no navy. They have no ability to really mount war against us. So it's kind of just like these little pot shots from the woods that they have. And when you take that into account, of course peace is possible as long as you have a president who is willing to have peace, as long as you have people over there who are willing to have it, it's possible. Possible. And so I think you have to understand that it's possible going forward. If you just throw up your hands, you're like, oh, it's all over, everything's done. It's going to be war forever. I think that's probably a self defeating thought, probably a self fulfilling prophecy. So we'll see what happens. I think they can probably be bombed back into good behavior, but who knows? We'll see.
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B
Yeah. And so we'll just play a little cut here from President Trump because he, like I said, he's meeting with all these world leaders, NATO summit, Turkey, you know, how about this? SATS 6, you said that dealing with
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the Iranians is a waste of time. How do you plan to get the
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nuclear material and the nuclear assurances that you want? Well, we've already got the nuclear material
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because it's so far underground, nobody is
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going to be able to get it except us because we have the equipment that can get it.
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But I call it the nuclear test.
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The, the nuclear, nuclear material is so
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far down underneath the mountain. And now it's, that's been determined that
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it would take massive machinery that we
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have that no other country has.
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I feel like that's a, that's a perfect encapsulation of how President Trump can pivot a little bit because he's really talked about getting the nuclear dust and now that the war is back on, he's. Well, actually it's, you know, we're the only ones who can get the nuclear dust anyway. So it's a nice, it's a nice to have, not a need to have.
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Yeah, I agree. It does sort of seem like you're dealing. You mentioned this, though, the commanding control apparatus within Iran. It's difficult to know when there are these little strikes against these vessels. Like is that coming from one kind of rogue element within the decentralized command structure within Iran. Now, it's hard to understand. Is a peace deal even doable? Do you even need one at this point? That's the question. Obviously you want the Strait of Hormuz open and you want the energy flowing freely to the world. But there is this other thing where our production has ramped up. The other regional partners in that area have been rerouting oil and gas around Iran. They're currently constructing pipelines. Is this something we could just outlast them on?
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D
Yeah, that's a great question, especially in light of what's going on in Turkey with NATO. So I think the first question you ask is, does the US need the Strait of Hormuz? And the answer is not really. That's not where we get the bulk of our oil from. And so the next question is, who needs the Strait of Hormuz open, it's Europe. They're the ones who need it open. They're the ones who are getting hurt the most. Now, obviously there are spot price impacts that affect the overall global price of oil there, but it's Europe that needs that oil. And so with Trump being there with NATO, I think he's going to go in and make the case like, hey, Europe, hey, NATO. Remember, you exist to protect NATO, to protect Europe. That was the whole purpose of NATO is to protect Europe from the Soviet Union. So this seems to be like maybe your problem to solve. Europe and NATO, you know, we went in there, we removed the bomb, the crap out of the regime, made it impossible for them to go after their neighbors, and now that the only thing left, that is the really major point of leverage is the Strait of Hormuz. It's probably a good idea for you, NATO and you Turkey and you Europe to take some ownership and accountability here and maybe you go and work on fixing this problem because it's actually not a big deal from the US we can go and bomb Iran whenever we feel like it with impunity, but until that strait is totally open, it doesn't impact us all that much. It impacts Europe. So the fact that all of this is happening and this escalation is kind of occurring as Trump is in Turkey, dealing with NATO, I think is a really, really fascinating aspect of the ongoing hostility over in Iran.
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I don't want to, I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far down because we're using that language of accountability. This is a war we did launch. This is a war that strikes. We launched in concert with Israel. And would we like NATO's assistance? Would we like the assistance of the rest of the Middle East? I think we do, but I think, I think there would be long term consequences if we took the attitude of we bombed it and now it's your problem. I think there's other ways we could look at going about this. If we're not willing to do boots on the ground, which I don't like, Andrew doesn't like. One of the ideas is just what if we made a war winning level effort to build pipelines so that doves don't have to go through the Strait of Hormuz anymore. I feel like if you look at America and World War II, we could build things still. We could expand the Panama Canal, we could, we could build thousands of ships. I think we could build pipelines and say, you know what Strait of Hormuz doesn't matter anymore because all the gas is just going in a pipe to the Red Sea, to the Indian Ocean, wherever we need it to go.
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I don't disagree with that. Shaun Davis, you are a great friend. I know you've got a busy day. Thanks for fitting us in here, man. God bless you. And we'll definitely have you on again soon.
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D
Awesome. Thank you for having me.
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B
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F
Hey, Andrew.
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B
So I was tempted to do a little joke at the beginning of this segment and talk about one of my favorite movies, Weekend at Bernie's, but it would have been in bad taste. Don't get mad at me. I'm kidding. You have gone out on social media and you have. You've said you spoke with Senator McConnell and that he was sharp. Just tell us about that, cuz I'm still seeing it online that people think
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C
we should set some context here just because people who've only been watching us that Mitch McConnell has been in the hospital and there's been rumors, conspiracy theories. If you want to say online that he is literally brain dead. He's dead and they're hiding this. And so you did say that you've spoken to him, which would seem to be in conflict with that theory.
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Yep, exactly. So the floor is yours, Scott.
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Well, as you all well know, a lot of people say crazy things on the Internet that simply aren't true. And so look, the senator and I think for the audience's context, we go back over 30 years. As a teenager I met him for the first time and I was a McConnell Scholar at the University of Louisville, which is a scholarship program. And you know, I was a reporter when I was in college. And then I became a political operative. I worked on his campaigns. I mean, I've known and been having an ongoing dialogue with this man for 32 years. That's number one. Number two, he has been in the hospital for several weeks. And of course, when you, you know, I've known someone for so long and they're at this age and they're in the hospital, it's quite concerning. And, and the truth is I hadn't spoken to him. I've gotten a few text messages, but I haven't spoken to him. So when he called me yesterday morning to chat, I was heartened by that because I had also seen the same things you all had seen. And so I just put out a quick report, you know, hey, talk to Mitch McConnell and you know, here's some of the issues he was discussing. I'm a little surprised everybody lost their minds over it because I was just kind of reporting on, you know, what had happened. But we talked for about 17 minutes and, and it was sort of a normal chat for us. He, he, you know, he talks about politics and public affairs. That's what we, we tend to talk about. And, and then I also saw that he talked to Senator Barasso and Senator Thune. So he was clearly working the phones yesterday. I think a lot of people are upset with him for one reason or the other, and they want to, frankly, in a very macabre or terrible way, just sort of wishcast his demise. But my report was basically that he was up and about making calls and able to chat about some of the issues of the day.
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Well, and listen, Scott, I certainly have my political differences with Senator McConnell, but I do not wish him ill. I wish him a speedy recovery. And I completely respect that. You are not Senator McConnell. Your politics are different. You have a great long history with him and he means a lot to you on a personal level and your career and how you got here. And so I'm heartened as well to hear that he's doing better on the mend. I mean, I know it's no, it's no secret that he has been kind of going through a series of health scares in recent years. I mean, he's getting older, he's getting up there. Does this, did you get any insight or do you know anything about this? Just as far as kind of the future for him or how that will work, Is this, the plan is still to kind of serve out the term?
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Good question. I think also for context, we should tell people about Kentucky politics. McConnell is retiring. He was. His term is up at the end of this year. He announced, you know, way back last year, he wasn't running again. There was a primary. The Republican won the primary, named Andy Barr. He'll Most likely replace McConnell in November. So at the end of this term, McConnell is done. His career will be over. He'll have been the longest serving senator in Kentucky history. It's a great achievement right now. As far as I know, he plans to continue to serve out his term. I didn't ask him specifically about that, Andrew, but as far as I know, he, he intends to serve out his term. I think in Kentucky, if you get past a certain date in August, if there were to be a vacancy, they would just have the election in November and then the term would, you know, the new senator would take over in January anyway. So I don't really have anything to say about it other than, you know, he seemed like he was, you know, sort of engaging in the news and issues of the day, which sounded to me like someone who intended to, to come back to work as soon as he's able to do so.
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B
And Scott, I just want to just give you just a vote of confidence in the fact that you would be willing to step into the breach and say something true and to do it fearlessly, even though the usual suspects online are going to cry foul. And I love that about you because my experience with you and my friendship with you has been that you are a fearless truth teller, even if I disagree with you on something or whatever. I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying it doesn't matter to you. You're gonna speak what you believe to be the truth and you're gonna do it fearlessly. And you've been excellent on the whole Charlie thing as well. And the incoming that we've had and all these crazy, zany conspiracy theories and the attacks on Erica and the attacks on the org and turning their attention now on, I don't know, what is it? Ben Shapiro is the new thing this morning. But just explain from your vantage point. I don't talk to you every day, your vantage point, what you're seeing out there. I keep getting a lot of people that are texting me saying the tide has turned. I think the evidence has been overwhelming. I've seen people, truth tellers on social media get louder and more bold. What has it been like from your pov?
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F
Well, first of all, I'm enormously frustrated for you and for the Turning Point team because of what you have to deal with. And I'm enormously frustrated and frankly angry for Erica because the things that are said and the people who are doing it for self aggrandizement purposes, for monetization purposes, for engagement farming or whatever, I just think it's awful what they have done. So I get, I get very, you know, emotionally frustrated on your behalf. And I'm not the one that has to deal with it every single day. I think this hearing this week, from my perspective though, has sort of, you know, the conspiracy theorists and the people who've been trying to create false narratives, I mean, they've kind of run into a brick wall the this week. And because evidence is evidence, testimony is testimony, facts are facts, and when those things show up and blow up your conspiracy theories, I think it's quite embarrassing for these people. So do I think that you're ever going to get rid of all these people who are, you know, trying to do what they do for their own, you know, personal reasons? No, but I think every rational person out there is looking at the facts and the evidence and saying, okay, we know the truth, we know what happened, and this process is now playing out as it should in a court of law. And you know, that's what you're dealing with. You got a court of law where facts matter and you've got this court of social media where nothing matters. And you all are now getting the facts out in a venue where conspiracy theories have no quarter, only facts do. And I think that's helping turn the tide. I tend to agree with that.
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B
Yeah. And we have this great clip from Don Jr. Who I think is really representative. I mean, he was in the courtroom with Erica and her, you know, and Rob and Kathy, Charlie's parents. And I thought it was a beautiful that he decided to go. I mean, Don is extraordinarily busy. People probably don't fully realize just how busy his life. He dedicated the better part of this week to go be in Utah with Erica. And this is what he told Fox News this morning.
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I haven't been that vocal because I haven't known what's real and what's not. But having literally been there in the room, seen the evidence with my own eyes, you know, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty.
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B
I think that's representative a lot of people. Scott. I think, yeah, go ahead.
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F
Well, I mean, I saw his interview as well and I thought it was so great that he went and then made that statement because a lot of people listened to Donald Trump Jr. And when he speaks and does so with such clarity, you know, hopefully all the people that see the things that's being served to them by their algorithm understand that, you know, this is a credible voice. Someone who loved Charlie, took the time to go and review what was happening in person and he's giving you an actual report. And I think that's really, you know, what's unfortunate here is a lot of people who are making a lot of money for themselves and a lot of attention for themselves. They have no idea what the facts are. They're not in the courtroom. All they have are conspiracy theories and lies and things that further a narrative that is for them. And then you have Donald Trump Jr. And others going to the courtroom saying, here are the facts, I'm reporting them to you. I think the people who are out peddling the conspiracy theories are going to be outraged by this and they're going to lash out and they're going to say mean things about it. But Donald Trump Jr. Did what I think any good friend would do. And that's to say I wanted to get the facts for myself. I saw them, I'm telling you what they are. And it's clear to me that Tyler Robinson is the murderer. That is as clear and factual as you can be based on witnessing in the courtroom what's happening. And I would hope most people would take his word for that versus some of these lunatics on the Internet.
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B
I totally agree, Scott. You know, I'm tempted to ask you one last question about Graham Platner if you have any top line thoughts. We haven't got there yet, but the floor is yours if you want.
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F
You know, here's what I am marveling at. The Party of democracy Democrats, they're trying to throw Platinum out. He won a primary and 98% of what we know about Graham Platner was already known when he won his primary. People voted. It's just like Biden, you know, people voted for Biden and then they came along and threw him out too. I mean we're lectured by the party of democracy all the time. There's no democracy in the Democratic Party right now. The only thing that happened was, is that they all got behind a scumbag. They knew they got behind a scumbag. And his poll numbers have now fallen to the point where he's no longer viable. I don't, I mean Graham Platner, I mean he's apparently some ne' er do well, you know, fake oyster farmer who works for his mom. I don't know why, what else he has to do with himself except hang on to this nomination. I guess we'll see what happens today as well.
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Said Scott, there's a reason CNN keeps you on. I will tell you. Scott, go get ready for your own show. Great to have you. Thank you for being a good friend and for stand by Charlie and the Truth and your other good friend Mitch McConnell, which, you know, I think that's actually really commendable. We could talk about his policies some other day. We could disagree. Yeah. But have a great show today Scott and we'll talk to you soon my friend.
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F
Thanks Andrew. Good to see you brother. Take care guys.
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B
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C
This has been the big story unfolding the past two days while we've been covering the trial. The big national story. Graham Platner, the communist adjacent lunatic, the Nepo baby fake oyster farmer, pathological, very nat, very bad guy in essentially all ways. So naturally, he won the. He ran away with the Democrat nomination to challenge Susan Collins in Maine. And he has the Nazi tattoo. I mean, there's so many things. He basically has every possible scandal you could have adultery, abuse, sexual assault, weird Nazi connections. But now, but now he has, he has a cool mustache. But Democrats seem to have been realizing over the course of time they think this guy is going to lose. And so a new hit piece or a new attack piece has just dropped on Platner. I believe it was published by Politico, had it first. And it's another one of his girlfriends. We've already had attacks from other girlfriends. This is another girlfriend who claimed that about, I want to say six years ago that he entered her house by force and forced himself on her sexually and that she's concealed it until now. But she has text messages where she's warning her friends about Platner. And so now they're lining up all of the Democrats. Ro Khanna has retracted his endorsement studies to drop out. Bernie Sanders has here. Okay, well, throw them out.
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B
That image, please. It's, I mean, it's Schumer, Gillibrand, Pocahontas. Ruben Gallego has pulled. Okay, Ruben, me thinks those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mr. Gallego, you got Mark Kelly. I mean, there's a ton of them. I mean, they all just, all of them. I mean, it's like the memo went out. This is what's.
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G
Wow.
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C
That's literally what it is. The memo clearly went out. Where we've seen this with Democrats. They'll have that cascade. They don't split into a never Trump and always Trump camp. The way you'll see in the gpa they are, they had this guy, they were lining up behind him even though he seemed disgusting. And now they've suddenly decided this guy is too dangerous. We're going to lose a winnable seat. Get him out. This attack ad, this attack story almost certainly came from Democrats. It's not Republican oppo. And there's even threats that more is going to drop. But the, and it's all perfectly timed because they want to get him out right now. Because if they get him out right now, they can basically put up a new candidate, some random flunky, and then they probably think they can beat Susan Collins with a warm body. As long as it's not Graham Platner.
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B
Yeah, so that's how it works. Graham Platner is now Persona non grata with the group of people that embraced him, even though there have been allegations from. For a long time. And by the way, I love the fake oyster farmer thing. I gotta hit this because it's too good. Graham Platner, they say he's just a working class Mainer. Oyster farmer. No, no, no, no, no. His like family is very wealthy. His mom owns a high end restaurant and I believe like kind of a hotel or bed and breakfast or something that's attached to it. But the details on that are whatever. The high end restaurant. So when he's an oyster farmer, he's literally a hobbyist. He's a hobbyist. And guess how much he pays himself from his own business? Zero. Do you know why he doesn't pay himself anything from his own business?
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C
Because it makes no money.
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B
Well, that too. But he's. He has one client, over 5,000. That's his mom's restaurant. But I will tell you the other reason is because he's getting VA benefits. He's getting, he's getting over. It's almost like $70,000 a year, tax free. As long as he doesn't make more money. So he doesn't pay himself anything from the business. He's a hobbyist because he's got one client, essentially, and that's his mommy. And I think his family's like famous architectures. Architects.
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C
Architectures.
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B
I was thinking about a joke in my head. Sorry. And it screwed me up. Architects. Anyways, so this is. He's a total joke. And he's a total phony. And he's a fraud. And he's been pulling the wool over everybody's eyes because he wears like flannel shirts and he's got a big walrus mustache. And that's what they want. They want a guy who is right coded, who says really radical things. That's essentially the model to be a Republican. You see this all over the place. Where? This is the Tim Waltz playbook, right? Let's go put them out with a shotgun and some camo and act like he's just one of us. He's one of the boys. In truth, he's a total flaming radical left wing lunatic. You see that in Minnesota. You see that in Graham Platner in Maine. And that's the model. Anybody that Hasan Piker is like, yeah, put him up there is probably a degenerate person who probably does awful things and who probably wants to destroy the country. That's their model. That's their model. And guess what? The Democrats are all complicit in this because they pushed him and pushed him and pushed him. They excused, they ignored, they gave license to this. They created the permission structure. And then when the polling fell, they finally decided, oh, we're not going to get the power that we thought we were going to get politically. And so we're going to toss them overboard because they're a bunch of frauds and phonies. An absolute, absolute indictment of the moral bankruptcy of, of the Democrat Party. And these are all the same people, by the way, that say that this, you know, E. Jean Carroll is a reason that Donald Trump should be thrown out and all this stuff. Well, they were silent until the polling drop for Graham Platner. E. Jean Carroll's another fraud.
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C
It's deeper. It's not even just that he's a fraud. It's like it gets at. Democrats have realized they've been losing the white working class for ages because they are a party that hates white men, straight white men, and they're always desperate to get them back. And they very easily fall for a person like Graham Platner because he's the kind of guy that a lot of their voters fall for. These disgusting phonies, these rakish guys, these damaged guys. And they think, I can fix him. And now the entire party is paying the price. It's entertaining to watch. I'm glad he's not in our camp.
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B
Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at yrefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Yrefi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Why Refi can help just go to yrefi.com. that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember why Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. We have the great Cam Higby. You want to know a fighter, a fearless guy that's willing to go into the breach, say hard things, go into hard places, puts himself at risk sometimes, and I hope he stays really safe. That's Cam Higby. Cam, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you.
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H
Hey, thanks for having me, and I appreciate that.
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B
Yeah, absolutely. I have. We haven't talked actually, much. I. We texted briefly last night. We were talking about coming on the show, but I've been watching you just kind of be so loud and proud and fighting back some of the crazies here, and you have my appreciation, and it just seems like you've taken it upon yourself, and I really admire that. You sent me this clip as an example of what we're up against here. When confronting real evidence in the court of law about Tyler Robinson, it just doesn't seem to even be able to. It doesn't even go through for some of these people. Saw 35.
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C
It genuinely blows my mind that people still believe that Tyler Robinson is fully
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D
responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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C
Truly like the people that believe that narrative, I have to believe that they have just not done their own research, because how can you.
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D
How can you believe the narrative that they are pushing?
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C
It makes no sense in any type of world ever.
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D
It makes no logical sense.
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B
What are we dealing with here, Cam?
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H
I mean, it's total brainwashing. It's like we've got video of the guy on the campus. We've got his DNA, his DNA on the screwdriver on the blanket, the gut the gun was covered in. We've got him placed on the roof. We've got him arriving in his vehicle to the campus. We've got him on the campus twice before it happened during and once after, I believe.
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B
Yep.
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H
The evidence that Tyler Robinson is the shooter is mountainous, by the way.
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B
The defense is even admitting he turned himself in when they didn't even know. They didn't have a name for the suspect.
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C
Yes, they. They had a person of interest. They had no named suspect. And it's almost like they're setting. They're already setting the stage for you should show mercy on Tyler Robinson because he cooperated with the process by turning himself in before he was a named suspect. And meanwhile, you have People online who are going to seize on everything. A very popular one now seems to be it was actually Lance Twigs who did it.
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B
Right.
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C
Someone asked me about that last night and I just said, you know, at a minimum, if it's Lance Twigs, that just means Tyler Robinson colluded with him in this murder, and at least we have one of them.
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B
Well, exactly. So let's go through some of these conspiracy theories that are popping up in real time. They're getting swatted down pretty aggressively, which it's fun to see. Let's talk about this bullet that was found elsewhere. It was an unused bullet, right? Unspent bullet. 37. The unfired bullet that you refer to. It's your understanding that that bullet was accounted for?
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G
That's my recollection, yes.
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I
Okay.
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B
And it possibly belonged to an officer that could have maybe been clearing his weapon.
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G
Yes, that was. That was the. That's what I recall being told about that particular item. Yes.
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B
When you said that it was possible that that round was from an officer clearing his weapon, what. What exactly do you mean by that?
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G
Our standard practice in our department is to carry a rifle cruiser ready. We carry our rifles in a situation which is called cruiser ready.
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B
What does that mean?
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G
Means we don't have a round chambered. So if an officer deployed with his rifle, he would chamber a round. Once he had done whatever task it was that he was doing in order to put that weapon back, he would eject the magazine and eject the round. Sometimes in doing so, rounds are dropped or not accounted for.
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B
So it sounds pretty simple. Cam. Somebody on campus probably double racked their gun to get cruiser ready. And it was a crazy chaotic scene, and they didn't collect the bolt they're supposed to, but accidents do happen. Your thoughts?
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H
Yeah, I mean, there's. There's a lot going on. I mean, you can just observe from the footage right after the shot was fired, everybody is running around, and then the police are chasing down potential suspects. The initial guy who came forward and said he did it, and then they find out, oh, maybe it was somebody else that was up on the roof of this other building. And just like he said, they cruise without a round in the chamber. So if you've chambered a round because you're ready to fight somebody, because there's just been a shot fired, you're going to eject that so it can be put back in the vehicle for procedure afterwards. If you eject the round and it kind of flies out and you miss where it landed, it's perfectly plausible justification. Or explanation for how a stray round could have landed on the ground. I mean there were plenty of armed people there. The good guys, right? So in the other thing that I noticed too is people were actually taking out of context the officer's testimony about when he went up on the roof. And he said, it's just a little sidebar when he went up on the roof and he said I don't think that we've got our guy or we don't have the right guy or whatever it was. Because that initial guy came forward and said, I'm the one who did it.
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B
I'm the one who did it.
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H
And they detained him. But it turns out that he wasn't the one who did it. I forget his name.
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B
George Zinn. Is George Zen about, by the way, on the George Zinn thing? I just want people to know this. I early days I was like what the hell is this? I mean I asked around, I was like what? Cuz this is crazy to me too. And basically this guy was a very well known psychopath.
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C
Campus gadfly, banned from campus.
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B
I believe he was banned. They tried to keep him out of these GOP meetings. I believe that certain high profile politicians in the state basically said this guy's gonna get somebody killed because he's such a loon. And I think they arrested him, they found some, you know, child stuff right on his. On his computer. Whatever. The point is he was a known bad actor crazy person in Utah for years. Okay, next one Cam. So this is. I had the team pull just some random DNA conspiracy tweet. This one's from Deligent Denison, FBI DNA examiner says DNA on screwdriver and towel were almost entirely lance Twiggs. Only 5% Tyler Robinson on one to Twiggs, 95%. And the other was 11% Tyler Robinson and 89% Lance Twigs. DNA is Twigs, the real assassin. Okay, let's deal with that one. Here is a clip where the cross examination of this DNA specialist from the FBI. So the state cross examines her 38.
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E
You testified about exhibit seven and eight, that they both had mixtures. Excuse me. Yes. Item seven and eight in your testing of these items that they both had mixtures. And you state. I want to make sure I understood this. You stated, I believe that the minor sample, the minor contributor, was less than 20% and that it was actually 5%. The ratio was 5% to 95% for one of the symbols.
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D
Yes.
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E
You remember that? Yes. Does that mean the 5% was from twigs and the 95% that that 95% is assumed from the defendant.
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B
The.
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E
The Robinson. When I calculate the statistic. Twigs. DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor. Ms. Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor. Okay, same question with regard to 8. I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and 89% from the major. Is that twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%? Yes. Twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor.
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B
All right, so there you go. That's on cross. Put up Liz Wheeler's tweet just so we can see it. DNA on the towel and screwdriver. Lance Twiggs, 5%. Tyler Robinson, 95%. Lance Twiggs, 11%. Tyler Robinson, 80%. 89%. So I don't know. I don't even know what they're doing here. Cam, do you have thoughts?
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H
They're doing what they've always done. They're making stuff up a trial, and they take it out of context and they try to spin a certain way. Same thing that I was just talking about. They tried to say that when he said they don't have the right guy, that he was actually talking about Tyler Robinson, not Zinn. And they've done this with a number of things, including the compilation. They said that there's no footage of the shot being fired or of the shooting when they were just talking about one specific exhibit. We don't necessarily know if that exists yet, but it doesn't really matter either. There's almost never footage of the murder. There wasn't when Carmelo Anthony got killed. There was no footage of him or. Sorry, when Austin Metcalf got killed. There was no footage of Carmelo Anthony stabbing him. But everybody still believed it. And the same people, by the way.
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B
Yeah, it's such a good point. You rarely have video of a murder,
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C
so you rarely have as much evidence as we have been fortunate enough to collect in this case of a confession of DNA of video footage of them at the scene of.
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B
But he's just a patsy. He's a patsy. And you know why I know this, Cam? Because his different legs bend in the video. All right, so let's look at this. This is the bending of the knee one, which is. Which is a lot of fun. 39. This is actually the surveillance footage that was presented at court. This massive, massive bombshell footage of Tyler Robinson. Once he comes back in the long pants and different legs are bending, I guess, sot.39, he heads out of the
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G
Parking garage on foot into the campus and actually goes to the quad area of the campus. At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from TP usa. Like, quad area, Sorry, the amphitheater as what I previously referred it to.
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B
All right, so that was actually a different one. I apologize. This is the referencing the makes contact with Turning Point. That was another big one I saw online. I'll handle this camp. But you've been at some of our tabling events. You've tabled. When you're setting up, there are dozens of students, volunteers, a few staffers, the tech people setting up. They're there. You can just walk right up to them and say, hey, how you doing? What times the events start? And that's apparently what happened here. Does this shock? Does it. Does this prove there was coordination between Tyler Robinson, who they say didn't do it, by the way, and. And Turning Point staff?
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H
When I table, I get people that come up to me and they start trying to debate me while I'm setting up. So, like, definitely half the time when those people are kind of just around you in the setup phase and I set up my own tables with. With whoever I'm with, whether it's Turning Point people or my people or whatever, people just come up all the time. And most of the time, you don't agree with those people. Most of the time, those people are not conservatives who just want to root you on, you know, so it doesn't surprise me at all. Anyone can just walk up at any time. It's a public campus, and we already know that Tyler Robinson was moving around the campus all day.
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C
Everything about it is setting up, as you said. People get tethered to their particular weird theories. Everything sets up as you would expect. A person who wants to do a shooting, he shows up the first time to confirm the event is on, make sure, find out what time it's all going to start. Shows up a second time to scope out where he plans to commit the crime. Shows up a third time to commit the crime. Shows up a fourth time to try and retrieve evidence. All of it is laid out very clearly. And instead, some people are, I've said earlier in the show, Cam, think some people, they really are just motivated by a intense desire to see the killer get away with it. I don't feel like they're looking for truth. When they decide to fixate on, oh, who's this Turning Point person that the suspect spoke with? We better find them and harass them. I suspect police know who they spoke with. I suspect police have Spoken to them. I suspect that evidence will be presented at the trial, and I suspect it will have nothing to do with any theories people come up with this time around.
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B
I genuinely find this one, you know, ridiculous. But they're gonna hook their, you know, claws into it anyways. Okay, this is another one. So did you want to say anything else? Sorry. Sorry, Cam.
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H
Yeah, I just wanted to say real quick. A lot of times the people around the tables, too are like college chapter people. I mean, it's not like, you know, direct report to you, Andrew, or they're
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B
Just for the record, I have none of those.
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C
That only makes it more appealing to these people because they'll think, oh, a college student, that's an easier person to bully, harass. They had an inside man. They had an inside man in the campus. That's what they'll run with. They'll do that with every opportunity they can get. Because I think most of these, a lot of these people are just motivated by being bad.
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B
Okay, so here's the next one. The bending of the legs. This is when Tyler Robinson comes back to campus to actually commit the crime. This is a gentleman named Matt Kester. I'd never heard of him before, but he did a demonstration on his YouTube page showing what happens when you disassemble a rifle into two pieces and you stick one down either leg and you sort of use your armpit to kind of keep it in place. SOP 40. Well, my 18 year old, 6 foot something assistant here. Who weighs how many pounds?
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D
140.
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I
140.
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H
Ish.
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B
Okay, I don't know what the killer's
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C
weight was, but we do know that
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B
based on the mug shot, he was
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C
about 72 inches tall.
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B
The change was carrying the stock in the front. You can see down here, the jeans are a little bit baggier, but if you pull them back, you remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh? That's your stock. That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in. Walk towards me. Everybody walk that way. Walk straight at me. So he's actually got the barrel and the stock in. One of the theories is that they had it down either leg. Right. And depending on the fabric of your jeans, you could bend one or the other going up and down the stairs. So that's what's been described on some videos. There's actually a video I'm thinking of right now that we should have probably pulled. But this is their newest theory, is that one leg bends and the other doesn't problem is he's probably got something down both pant legs, actually. Cam, any thoughts?
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H
Yeah, totally. I mean, they act like this is not possible, even just the putting the rifle down the pants thing. But I've seen multiple variations of the same video that you just showed where different people are either shoving a whole.30 06 down their. Their pants, or they're disassembling a 3006 and putting the barrel down one and the stock down the other. And they have close to full motion in both cases if they really want to do full motion. Now, Tyler Robinson might have been a little bit more skittish because he's going to assassinate somebody. So he might not have bent his legs as much just because he didn't want. Maybe the barrel would poke through his legs and somebody would realize something's off. But totally possible.
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B
Totally possible. All right, so the. The other thing that we're still going with is that it was. There's a height difference. So there's an allegation that the person in the video was actually 6, 2, 6 3. This is coming from Candace herself. But as you heard in that clip, by the way, he referenced directly 72 inches, which is not 5'10, 5'11, it's 6' so there's that. And then we've got that. We'll play a clip from her. This is that she doesn't believe that he was on campus that day. Which one is that? All right, we'll see. I think this is it. 41.
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C
I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase.
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B
So real quick, obviously, that was before the preliminary hearing, but that's still a large degree of their allegations online.
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C
It's just silly. They're saying he has to be way taller because he has. He looks lanky. So I guess they're unfamiliar with the idea of a twink who's not very fit, doesn't have a. Has an elongated body, even if they're not that tall.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Okay. Tyler Robinson didn't lift.
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B
So my response on social media was like, I remember when I first heard that Tom Cruise was only 5 7, 2, looked a lot bigger on all those movies for a long time. Final 15 seconds to you, Cam.
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A
Yeah.
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H
I mean, it's just ridiculous. They desperately want Tyler Robinson not to be the person. What's the evidence that's not Tyler Robinson? There is none. And they say, well, we haven't been presented with evidence that this is Tyler Robinson. Well, that's probably because we're not in the trial yet this is a preliminary hearing where they're just admitting evidence and probable cause. And then in the actual trial, the defense and the prosecution are going to
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F
argue with each other about whether or not that actually.
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B
Cam Higby, my man, keep up the good work. We'll talk to you soon. If you're about to turn 65 and you're already on Medicare, this message is for you. Charlie cared about America's seniors. He was outraged that so many were paying too much for their Medicare coverage and getting less than they deserved in return. That's why he partnered with Chapter, and we're still partnered with Chapter. Chapter's licensed advisors search every Medicare plan to find what's actually best for you. The call is 100% free. No pressure, just honest. Help. Seniors save an average of $1,100 a year with Chapter. They've already helped hundreds of our listeners enroll in better plans, and they can help you, too. So if you're nearing 65 or already on Medicare, make the call today. Dial pound250.250 and say Charlie Kirk. To make sure you're in the best available plan. That's £250 and say Charlie Kirk or go to AskChapter.org Kirk. All right. I have to just play this clip because the team showed it to me and it was. It was too good. Alex Marlowe joins us, though, right now, and he is, of course, the editor in chief of Breitbart. He's got the Alex Marlow Show. It's good to see you, my friend. It feels like. It feels like one of those weeks. We're only on Wednesday, but I feel like I've lived two weeks this week. Your POV from the outside looking in.
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I
Are we talking about the trial?
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B
Yes, sir.
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I
Yeah, it seems like we're getting more kind of excruciating details about stuff that I think people who are Occam's Razor people. I'm an Occam's Razor people. I always kind of default to the most obvious explanation is the explanation. And there occasionally it's not occasionally, it's very complicated. There's a very conspiratorial web that is actually worked its magic and somehow pulled off some sort of unbelievable thing and pulled the wool out from all of our eyes. It just seems like we're getting a lot of confirmation of the most obvious explanation about what's happening and is deeply painful to watch. And it's hurtful. And I think that a lot of the conversation online is exposing a lot of people who I'M sure are going to come up in the course of this conversation who have gone out of their way to try to, I think, obfuscate and to cast doubt upon getting clarity for the true victims of Charlie's death. And I think it's all just so horrific, but hopefully there'll be some closure involved at the end when the dust settles.
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B
All right, so you want to name names? All right, well, here's one. This won't be the first time we've mentioned today, but whatever this is. Candace, stop. 45, who do you think is behind this?
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C
I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.
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G
This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot.
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C
I do not believe the person walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof.
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B
Were you able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure?
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G
Yes, we were able to.
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B
What are we seeing now?
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G
Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Losey building onto the grass area.
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C
I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof.
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G
It's just after noon, about 12:15.
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B
On what day?
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G
September 10, 2025.
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B
So that. So that's. That your reaction?
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I
It's just so devastating to the conservative movement, to Turning Point usa, to Charlie Kirk's family and his legacy, to those who actually did know Charlie and love Charlie and work with him closely for so long, that this individual has gone out of her way since his death to try to destroy his family, destroy his organization, and is so willingly lying through her teeth saying things she knows nothing about. And even though there's overwhelming evidence portraying one narrative, to go out of her way to suggest that actually that's all fake, that's all smoke and mirrors. And this other narrative, of which I have no evidence whatsoever, that's the real narrative. And to continue to peddle this over and over again and to be able to garner attention for it, it's very upsetting. And it comes from a very dark place. And it's a place that we're all gonna have to explore, unfortunately.
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B
Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Cause there was this expression. Blake and I were discussing it yesterday. It's a medical expression, I think, where they say when you hear the sound of hooves approaching, you probably should look for horses, not zebras. Right. It's kind of a weird one. I hadn't heard it before, but somebody brought it up to me yesterday, and I was like, man, that's so true. What do you think it is? About the online space, the social media of it all, that seems to incentivize people looking for zebras. Anything other than Tyler Robinson being the murderer here, they want anything else to be true. They've even said they would be willing to go on stand to defend Tyler Robinson despite DNA evidence, despite turning himself in, despite the defense not even arguing that he didn't turn himself in, despite the defense not even arguing shaped charges or exploding mics or anything like that. Why this incessant demand to look at any other potential reality other than the one that's staring them right in the face?
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C
I think we know why, but I'll let Alex answer.
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I
Yeah, I think there's a few potential explanations. There's the darkest one where there's literal demonic possession of that individual that you're playing. And that's one that I think a lot of people wonder, like, what's going on? How could you behave so evilly so publicly? The other thing is, of course, clout chasing is just. It's very addictive to get online views, as people know, and people follow their traffic very closely. And that's a very simple answer that could explain some of this. But I think what's more compelling is Candace is really operating as like a cult leader. If you look at the hallmarks of what a cult leader does, they keep things very vague, but also simple. They provide answers that other people don't, even though there's really no evidence behind the answers. But they're very convincing in the way they portray it. They emphasize in this sort of sensational. Over what's intellectually available to people. And it just does feel like there's almost like a religious nature to some of her followers. It just makes me think that that's what's going on. Also, she kind of disguises, I think, how much she makes. She's getting very wealthy off of this process, and that doesn't seem to come up at all. And she accuses all sorts of people. You, Andrew, I heard. I heard you've been just printing money since Charlie got assassinated, even though you start all these businesses with him and your financial future was tied directly to Charlie. No. You've been the greatest beneficiary financially at all. All of that's classic projection because she's getting rich doing this stuff, and it's just. It's all so sick. And I can't believe you got to keep doing it over and over again. We got to keep watching this stuff.
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B
Yeah. You know, it's interesting, though. It does feel like the tide is Turning really. I've noticed a massive uptick in brave voices stepping forward and confronting it, and I'm super encouraged by that. This week has been incredibly hard because we're forced to relive this awful, awful moment. But it's also been really encouraging to see people look at the evidence, react the right way. You know, that you would think people would react and then actually speak up and say, guys, what are we doing here? And so I don't know if you've noticed that too, but I have been personally encouraged to see people moving in the right direction.
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I
At the very least, it's very tough to maintain any credibility when you go on one of the biggest podcasts in the world and say, I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. And then a week later, you see actual footage of him being there specifically, plus more details about, you know, walking with a limp, things like that, that are also pretty compelling. It just. It's shredding of credibility. There's no credibility left at that point. But for I think most people who've been observing this, there was no credibility left weeks ago. And still it goes on. The charade goes on. The reality TV that takes place on YouTube goes on. So. But I really wanted Blake's explanation to Blake, dive in. I want to hear what you have to say.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I. The psychology.
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C
I mean, I'm just on. I think, first of all, I think a lot of leaders I've asserted, I think. I think Candace, for example, was resentful of Charlie while he was alive. I think she was resentful of Erica for being someone Charlie loved more than her. I think she took an ego injury when she was not immediately asked to take over Turning Point. I think all of those things play a role, and I think. I think she just genuinely wants the person who killed Charlie to get away with it. I think she wants that to be the case. And I think a lot of her followers are committed to a similar thing, a similar attack, because the way they act, they don't act like people who are really interested in the truth. They act like people who are interested in hurting people. That's why I flagged. When they're. They're now really interested in the idea of identifying who at Turning Point spoke to Tyler Robinson, whatever random Turning Point volunteer or staffer was helping set up the event. They want to find this person so they can get claws into them, bully them online if they have social media, bully them in real life, if they can get away with it, dive into their family members, make these People feel miserable and attacked. Andrew, you and I, we've gotten attacked for a while. We're used to it. We're used to what it is. But if you're not a public person, that's a really unpleasant process to go through. You feel terrorized. And they like the idea of terrorizing someone, even if they're not fully just thinking, oh, I'd love it if the person who killed Charlie got away with it. A lot of people, they find it very addicting to find some excuse to be cruel to somebody, to be nasty to someone and tell themselves, I'm doing the right thing. I'm a crusader for justice. You always have to look out for that. This is why. This is why lynch mobs are bad. This is why mean girl stuff is bad. It's very intoxicating to be evil and clothe yourself in the mantle of righteousness. And so I think that's part of driving this.
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I
I think it's part of why. I think my cult point is worthwhile. Because a lot of the followers, it's very hard to pull yourself away from cults when you're so invested. You've been spending all this time, these hours, trusting this individual to bring you the truth, and you realize it's. It's all completely false. All of it's completely bogus. It's very hard for you to admit to yourself that I've been misled, I've been led astray, and I've been wasting a bunch of my time. And people don't necessarily respond to that by saying, well, now I want the truth.
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E
No.
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I
People get very angry. They get angry with themselves. They get angry with people surrounding them. And that's what we're witnessing. That's what we're going to witness.
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B
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C
They've made it take an hour for one of the witnesses to identify the defendant in the courtroom.
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B
They took an hour to establish Charlie's Christianity.
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C
Yep, they are. They're taking their time on every aspect of this. But that's one reason we're doing our shows with this focus. We want to make sure people are able to see and digest everything that happens.
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B
Yeah, you're, you're. What are you most anticipating, Alex? That's for me, that's what it is.
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I
Yeah, it's a great point and I thought of it that way. But it does seem like they're really making sort of pro forma stuff take forever, which is. I don't understand the strategy, but I guess maybe that's all they got because there's so much overwhelming evidence against the defendant here. But the twigs, the twigs angle is very interesting because it just seems implausible that Robinson would have done this without twigs coordination. It just seems like that he would do this on behalf of twigs and then that's it. Just like as a favor or something. It seems like there had to have been some sort of deeper connection to it. And just simply saying he had an opportunity to take out Charlie, I'm going to take it. It just, it seems very Thin to me. So there's obviously more there. The question is, what is the more there? And how much did they bond over hatred of Charlie, which I'm guessing is more substantial than we've known to this point. So I'm definitely curious to see where that goes because of course, Twigs is a bad actor in this. Did Twigs specifically do anything illegal? Everyone watching here would bet, yes. So the question is, what is that? Can we figure that out and have him held accountable as well?
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B
So Last year, a YouTuber named Turkey Tom had a whistleblower come forward, identify himself as either a roommate or like a friend that lives.
- [68:35]
C
He was in the same friend group.
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B
He would come over to their house a lot. And I really recommend people check this out. Jack Posobic tweeted about it and linked to the episode. And I have been told that credibly, that this person checks out, that this actually was somebody in their friend group, their friend orbit. And the story that he tells is one of absolute manic depression of rampant drug use, black market hrt, extremely graphic and sort of like, I want to remember that there's 11 year olds watching this, but sexual acts, sort of like in the house between Twigs and Robinson. And remember that Robinson was an LDS kid, He's a Mormon kid who strayed from the Mormon Church. His first, I guess, lover, if you will, was this Lance Twigs character who was very manic, was very all over the place and kind of had a really dark side and was trying to transition.
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C
Well, it's what we were discussing earlier. The way you can construct this, you can choose to fixate on everything that can possibly undermine it, or you can look for the horse hooves or the zebras and the horseshoe. Here is. Okay, well, what would drive, what kind of person would commit a heinous, out of the blue political assassination, basically throw their life away for this sort of thing. And you, you'd probably think, oh, let's find someone who's living a very bizarre life where they would be marinating in strange online stuff that, that would radicalize them ideologically. It would make them think insane violent actions are suddenly more comprehensible. They might have a partner or a friend who's driving them onwards. And lo and behold, this is what we are finding in the case.
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B
Yeah. And Tyler Robinson sort of is painted in this as this quiet person that was the only person to comfort. I mean, we're talking images of him coddling him out on the couch, rocking him back and forth, trying to make Lance Twigs okay. And you could see how all of those elements combined would lead somebody like Tyler Robinson, who had been living in this very dark place, detached from reality, disassociating from normal morality, could think that doing something so heinous was actually an act of love for somebody like Lance Twiggs. Those are just thoughts. But Alex final.
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I
Yeah, I think it's the. Yeah, the radicalization arc is something I think all of us are very curious about, those of us who neutrally in care about him, that how could this guy do this and play God in this way? And what was the process for him, seeming like a normal guy with a normal family, to get to this sort of level of evil? And what connection does Lance Twigs have in that is a curiosity among many others. So any more that can be done on that front, hopefully, from a legal standpoint, we all want justice. That's number one. But also, I think a lot of people love Charlie would like some clarity. I think that would help us find some peace. We start to understand more of those
- [71:32]
B
details, Man, I certainly would count myself among that group. I mean, that's what's so frustrating about this whole thing. We've been swatting away the gadflies here, and we haven't gotten a chance to be the ones to express our questions because we're constantly trying to, you know, deal with the crazies out there. Like, there are legitimate questions. I want to know answers. And by the way, I have been pushing behind the scenes, and so is Blake and so is Erica. Like, I'll go on the record.
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C
I don't feel we ever saw a full satisfactory accounting for the weird videos.
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F
Totally.
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B
Who else was in the discord chat? I want answers to all of this stuff, and hopefully we're gonna get it the right way. Alex, Marlo, you're a good friend. It's good to see you, my friend. Thanks, guys. I'll talk to you soon.
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C
For more on many of these stories
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I
and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.