Blake (2:48)

This was rumored at the time.

Andrew (2:49)

Yeah. Along with 49 other members of the leadership structure within Iran.

Blake (2:57)

President Trump even said where this was misinterpreted by some people, where he was saying they had a list of likely candidates to succeed Khamenei, and it appears that their strikes have been so successful, they don't know who an obvious successor is at this point. I say misinterpreted because some people thought we killed our own candidates to replace them. Now it appears we're just talking about the hostile leadership.

Andrew (3:19)

We knew there was suspicion of who would be selected if the Supreme Leader was killed. By the way, there was another supreme leader briefly installed for 22 hours. He, too, is dead. Don't even know his name. I don't think we need to. But the point is, the ultimate secession plan remains pretty unclear at this point. It seems to be there was an indication from President Trump where he was saying, we'll see who they choose, meaning it does seem that this is not a regime change war. I understand that can feel like, you know, a distinction without a difference. Right. Because, yeah, the regime is going to change. These are targeted airstrikes to take out the leadership and allow the people of Iran to choose the next leader. And so we don't know how that's gonna play out. We were very reticent around here about regime change wars. We're very reticent about going into a country as large and as strong as Iran, and the unintended consequences are sure to be extreme. We don't know how this is gonna ultimately play out. And they can't say that enough. Charlie was very concerned about regime change wars, was very reticent about using kinetic force in this region. But at the end of the day, Charlie over and over and over again said, this is why I elected President Trump. This is why I fought so hard for the president.

Blake (4:39)

Yes, that's really what it is, is there'd be two competing impulses with Charlie. And the reason we cite him, a big reason we continue this show, a big reason it still has his name on there, is people. People looked to Charlie as a leader, as a leader in the movement, as a person who had wise perspectives, as a person who wasn't under the control of anyone else. And so he could be frank, he could be honest about things. And so we're trying to maintain that voice to the best we can so that people. Because that's what people are looking towards. And what I can say, and I think you agree, is Charlie would have two competing impulses. One is he was millennial. He Was a part of that generation very shaped by Iraq and Afghanistan, two wars that looked very easy at the start, but went on a lot longer than people thought, were more expensive than people thought they would be, and ended in ultimately either failure or at best mixed results in the case of Iraq. And that would have shaped his attitude towards this. You can say we, we agree. He repeatedly said he thought regime change in Iran was a bad idea. The competing impulse there is he was a supporter of President Trump and President Trump's judgment in international affairs. And he was also an American patriot. And so this war having started, his take would similarly be. I was very hesitant for this, but I also do trust the president's judgment that he must have good reasons for this and that he would have a plan to keep this from extending endlessly and escalating out of control.

Andrew (6:17)

Well, and to your point, you mentioned Iraq, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth addressed this very dynamic in his press conference this morning with General Kaine.

Pete Hegseth (6:26)

301 to the media outlets and political left screaming endless wars stop. This is not Iraq. This is not endless. I was there for both. Our generation knows better and so does this president. He called the last 20 years of nation building wars dumb. And he's right. This is the opposite. This operation is a clear, devastating, decisive mission. Destroy the missile threat, destroy the Navy, no nukes.

Andrew (6:58)

So he's getting to the strategic missional objectives here he continues on 302. He said this is our why 302.

Pete Hegseth (7:07)

Iran's stubborn and self evident nuclear pursuits, their targeting of global shipping lanes and their swelling arsenal of ballistic missiles and killer drones were no longer, are no longer tolerable risks. Iran was building powerful missiles and drones to create a conventional shield for their nuclear blackmail ambitions. Our bases, our people, our allies, all in their crosshairs. Iran had a conventional gun to our head as they tried to lie their way to a nuclear bomb. It almost worked under Obama and his terrible deal, but not under this president. Turns out the regime who chanted death to America and death to Israel was gifted. Death from America and death from Israel.

Andrew (7:58)

A lot of headlines about that final line. Basically, you know, and it's right, it was a bit of a mic drop moment because, you know, they've been chanting death to America, death to Israel for a long time. Turns out that the supreme leader met his end. His demise at the hands of CIA intelligence and an Israeli strike. So the full circle moment for the Ayatollah, certainly. But let's just wrap up this segment. We've got so much more to get to by saying that President Trump is now on the record saying that the big wave has not even commenced yet, which is something else. This is Jake Tapper, who he talked to334. I asked the President if US was doing more than these military strikes to

Charlie Kirk (8:44)

help the Iranian people regain control of Iran against the regime, to seize the country from the Iranian regime.

Andrew (8:51)

And he said, yes. The president said, yes, we are indeed,

Charlie Kirk (8:55)

but right now, we want everyone staying inside.

Andrew (8:57)

It's not safe out there.

Charlie Kirk (8:59)

And then the president said, it's about

Andrew (9:01)

to get even less safe. He said, quote, we haven't even started hitting them hard. The big wave hasn't even happened.

Charlie Kirk (9:08)

The big one is coming soon.

Andrew (9:12)

Ominous warning from the president. The big one has not even happened yet. It's coming soon. So take that as you will. There is a. A lot of speculation. I do want to just get to one of these. I'll never forget this clip, Blake. It was at the height of the base kind of having this public conflict about Operation Midnight Hammer. It was about to commence, I believe. And Charlie went on Jesse Waters in sort of an impossible situation. And I just felt like he just nailed this moment. And I want to play it because I remember it well. 309.

Charlie Kirk (9:49)

President Trump understands his base extraordinarily well. He knows that his base does not want another Iraq. He does not want Libya, does not want a civil war or bedlam where the United States is left carrying the bag. But also, President Trump has been morally clear for a decade. Iran should not have a nuclear weapon. And President Trump has the talent, the expertise to be able to thread that needle. The generation that I represent, Jesse, the. The under 30 crowd, they absolutely are very war weary. Many of them voted for President Trump on college campuses because they did not want to see a Joe Biden or George Bush philosophy where we get into this endless conflict where we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars. I think President Trump will be able to balance those two things while defending our allies, saying that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon without having to deploy a single American troop or even having America involved from the sky. President Trump can get that deal done while fulfilling the mandate that the voters gave him.

Andrew (10:46)

Pretty impossible interview. I remember that night going, Charlie went in and goes, well, say a prayer. Wish me luck. And I thought he did a tremendous job. But he made a point about how consistent President Trump has been when it comes to Iran. And we found this clip from 1980 of President Trump just talking about his posture about Iran in 1980. Remember, you go back to 1979. This is the hostage, the Iranian hostage crisis. And I think Trump was just sort of offended that we let this happen. 328.

Donald Trump (11:18)

When you get the respect of the other countries, then the other countries tend to do a little bit as you do and you can create the right attitudes. The Iranian situation is a case in point. That they hold our hostages is just absolutely and totally ridiculous. That this country sits back and allows a country such as Iran to hold our hostages, to my way of thinking, is a horror. You're advocating that we should have gone in there with troops, etc.

Andrew (11:48)

And brought our boys out.

Donald Trump (11:49)

I absolutely feel that, yes. I don't think there's any question and there's no question in my mind. I think right now would be an oil rich nation. And I believe that we should have done it and very disappointed that we didn't do it. And I don't think anybody would have held us in abeyance. I don't think anybody would have been angry with us. And we had every right to do it at the time.

Blake (12:11)

Held us in abeyance.

Andrew (12:12)

Yeah, he's got the best words. He's got the best words. Don't ever forget. Yeah, I mean, listen, so this is a very young Trump basically sounding the exact same way. And he has been consistent. And I think Charlie made this point that, you know, you've got the hyper interventional or anti interventionists and you got the war hawks and these are our sort of two extremes. Well, President Trump tends to defy both. And that tends to be the truth with President Trump. He does find a third way. And again, anybody that tells you that they know how this is gonna work out is completely full of it.

Blake (12:49)

A lot of people are, we'll be frank. A lot of people are smug at this point. They've acted like the war is already over because the Ayatollah is dead. It's not. Period.

Andrew (12:57)

There are.

Blake (12:58)

Iran has responded to this by basically lobbing missiles at seven different Arab countries almost at random. It seems their goal is to demoralize, break apart, you know, create a lot of pressure for peace because people start dying.

Andrew (13:11)

Well, their hope is that they'll just blame the US for all of that or Israel for all of that. And actually, so far we've seen a little bit of the opposite effect. Right where you saw Saudi Arabia is now going to participate in some of these actions because they got missiles dropped on them. And you know, listen, we've lost four U.S. troops. We have to pray that our U.S. troops would remain safe and that we have a minimal, minimal loss of casualty. But President Trump has already indicated that we'll probably lose more. That's horrifying. It's unfortunate, and it's horrifying. But he is also right in saying that this is what happens when there is armed conflict between militaries. And so, yeah, listen, I think all these things are important to hold all at the same time. You know, we pray for success, but we also understand that we don't know all the details. I warned repeatedly on Saturday, for those of you who saw our Saturday stream, I warned repeatedly that I made numerous calls ahead of our stream trying to gather as much intel as I could. And there was this repeat theme from multiple people that there was a very, very real concern that Iran was like a dog backed into a corner, a rabid dog, and that you could hold two things to be true at the same time. That, yes, the strikes against Fordo were successful. Yes, the regime was weaker than ever, but, yes, they could be more dangerous than ever. Why? Because they were pursuing hypersonics from China. Those are carrier sinkers, right? Those will sink one of our carriers in the region. 5,000 people on board of those. And they were working on dirty bombs. Right? Whether they were collecting materials from the FORD O sites or whatever that had been struck, or if they were just getting it on the black market, and they were working on their ballistic missile stockpiles really, really quickly, they were escalating really, really quickly. And so the reported numbers that you saw, how many ballistic missiles they had were probably an underestimation. I think they had far more. And I think we're sort of seeing that indication now. They were a dog backed into a corner and they were gonna bite. And so President Trump made the decision to hit them before they were ready to hit us. I understand that calculus. Again, we don't have to agree with it. You don't even have to think that Iran was a imminent threat to us to understand that reasonable people would come out on a different end of that discussion. So we're not a drums of war people. We're not excited, giddy. There's no sort of fervor here. There's no excitement at this. It's humility, terror, and prayer for our troops and wishing and praying for success that this would ultimately be a good thing for the world and it would be a good thing for the region. And by the way, if this does end in a positive way, it's undeniable that this. This could have massive upside. Okay, you're you're talking about choking off the energy flow to the ccp. Many other down downstream effects.

Blake (16:08)

Well we, we said this over the weekend, but I think it's worth repeating. I think the best possible outcome for this is that instead of being another Middle east war, it is the last Middle east war.

Andrew (16:17)

That would be the United States has

Blake (16:19)

to be involved in. We've been in here multiple times but at this point Iran, you can say is the last entity that is a ser, you know, a serious danger to anyone. Yeah, there's who, Houthis who shoot missiles at ships in the Red Sea. But the Houthis are not in any way a strategic danger to any entire country that matters. And so ideally once the Iranian regime is either removed or it is curtailed, which the President has said, he seems to be saying if we can destroy all their military capabilities and if they never try to rebuild them, we don't care what they do after that. They can be an Islamic republic as long as they want, as long as they're not a threat to anyone else. If we can create that reality, then we can leave the Middle east, you know, leave a few bases here and there. But most of the troops come home, most of the ships come home, most

Andrew (17:08)

of the planes go elsewhere and we

Blake (17:10)

can worry about that.

Andrew (17:11)

You've seen that commentary that this is in effect, if it works out, a reorientation of our focus on the Indo Pacific.

Blake (17:17)

America has had 45 years of conflict in the Middle East. It would be nice to not have any more. That is the best possible end for this.

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Eli Crane (19:24)

Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. Yeah. Last week, before this invasion took place, I was kind of banging the drum of caution when it comes to regime change, primarily because of my own personal experiences and playing a small role in the regime change efforts in Iraq and just seeing all the complexities that come with that. I know a lot of gold star moms. I have a lot of friends that did not come home. I know we spent trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We lost thousands and thousands of American lives. And when you look at those places now, it's very tough to make the argument that those places are better off now than when we went in there. And so I know if you look up research and analysis, only about 20 to 30% of regime changes are actually successful. And there's a whole list of places that this has been tried and it has not worked. And one of the biggest problems with regime change operations is the power vacuum that unfolds immediately. And so you've got tribes, you've got clans, you've got militias, you've got political parties that are all jockeying for political power and positioning. And that's just within the interior of the country. And then you have the exterior forces. You've got countries like China and Russia and the United States and Israel and so many others who are also trying to assert influence. And as Americans often, and Westerners, because we live in the countries that we do, we often have this flippant attitude that, well, you know, we've done our part. We've taken out the Atolla you know, we've damaged, you know, the military infrastructure there. So Iranians, just go do your thing now, right? That's kind of the attitude. The problem is, is that most of these people have lived under brutal, authoritarian regime for so long that there's got to be a certain calculus and a fear and, and many of them to, you know, almost to the point of if I step up and I back the wrong horse or if I back the wrong political party and the party that I back or the person that I back doesn't win, am I going to be, you know, thrown into a prison or a gulag or beheaded or hanged in the street? And so it's very dynamic. It's very hard to pull off. That being said, now that, you know, you know, this operation is underway, I'm hoping and I'm praying for not only the administration and the wisdom for their decisions going forward, but also for the people of Iran. But it's a very dicey, very dynamic situation right now. And I hope it works out. I hope it works out. And I will say this, guys, if we were going to, obviously, we made the decision to do it. I am glad that at least from the PR standpoint, this administration is not, you know, talking about we're going to, you know, be pushing regime change. At least they're talking about the Iranians stepping up and doing it themselves. Because if the United States was to insert, you know, a leader, you know, that has good relations with the United States, that leader would be seen as a puppet of the west and would have a tough time gaining legitimacy.

Andrew (22:56)

Yeah, he, the president spoke to Bret Baier about this exact issue. 331 I asked.

Unknown Interviewer (23:03)

So what you're saying is that, you know, there is somebody on the ground in Iran that is going to rise up, Quote, yeah, I feel there is. I feel that. And some of them are no longer with us, to be honest, because it was 49 leaders that were taken out that was going to take four weeks, we thought, to get rid of the Iranian leadership. And it's always, you know, if they hide, it's a lot longer than four weeks, weeks, and they would have been hiding. We were shocked when we heard what was going on. We knew exactly what was happening and where 49 leaders.

Andrew (23:35)

He goes on one more clip here. Elon, I'll get your reaction on the other side. 3:33.

Unknown Interviewer (23:41)

He said there is a plan. He points to Venezuela as a template, which means to me that going in, they had some sense on the ground of what was coming next. So from the president of the United States, he is pleased, does believe that this is going faster than they thought, and he believes that four weeks is something that they had put as a kind of calendar of what they were looking at as setting the table for the Iranians to do what they do.

Andrew (24:15)

So when you hear four, four, four to five weeks, he says, I'm open to changing that timeline. Could be moved up, could be moved back. What are you, does that give you the sense that regime change was the ultimate goal here? What do you interpret when you hear that, Eli Congressman CRANE yeah, I mean,

Eli Crane (24:33)

I do believe that that was definitely part of the plan. I mean, from the time that the president addressed the people of the nation initially, it was pretty clear that that was a part of the plan, even if indirectly. And, hey, we'll take out, you know, the ayatollah will take out a lot of, you know, the opposition will threaten, you know, the police to stay out of it or they're going to die. But now Iranians, you need to rise up, you know, and do your thing. So I do think that, even if indirectly, that was a part of the plan. Obviously, we wanted to take out the ballistic missiles. And I do believe that Iran is a massive threat and at some point was going to have to be dealt with. And I will say humbly, guys, that, you know, I recognize on the outset that I don't have all the information and intelligence that the president and this administration have. So I want to be cautious. I know tomorrow when we fly in at 5pm we're going to be briefed by Secretary Rubio. I believe Pete Hegseth, John Ratcliffe is supposed to be there. So, you know, we should be able to, you know, paint some of the color and understanding in, you know, for members of Congress. But I am glad that the president is at least speaking in terms of, hey, we've got to be flexible because, you know, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. And as somebody who's gone to war many times, I can tell you that often, you know, things don't go the way that you planned. And you've got to be able to be flexible. You've got to be willing and able to adjust. And I, I very seriously doubt the President of the United States, you know, who I think has a pretty good track record of trying to keep us out of prolonged military conflicts, you know, game plan this out with his senior advisors from many agencies on, you know, what next. That's always the question with regime change type operations. You know, the actual you know, toppling of a regime isn't the hard part. It's what comes next. And, you know, I'm sure the President had many, you know, plans, strategic plans, presented to him. And, you know, this is why, you know, Charlie and others have said that we voted for the guy because we did trust, you know, his instincts. And I'm hoping and praying that, you know, he's in prayer himself and, you know, making the best decisions possible for the country, because, you know, military operations like this can go sideways so fast, you know, it'll make your head spin.

Andrew (26:57)

Yeah, well, that's the question, Blake. And it's. It's. You know, you talked about how we don't want to put our thumb on the scale, picking the next leader of Iran, but then there is this vacuum, and you get this factions fighting. Everybody's wondering, if they pick the wrong horse, are they gonna be sent to the gulag? How do you install or not install? How do you achieve that without installing somebody? Because if I'm the Iranian people, I'm going, who's America gonna pick? Cuz that's probably gonna be the winning horse here. Like, how do you thread that needle? You know, that's. I don't know that you have an answer for it, but to me, that seems like the central tension then.

Eli Crane (27:32)

Yeah, you know, if I was working this problem, guys, I would be working with my coalition partners in the area to find somebody that we could all agree upon would be better than the former leadership, but at the same time, have some credibility with the Iranian people.

Andrew (27:53)

Yeah, I think that's probably smart. Even when you have other Arab partners that are now kind of at the table, the Board of Peace, it'll be interesting. You've also got the. You know, the Crown prince, Reza. Whatever his name is, Reza Pahlavi. Yeah. He's. Who knows, to be invited back. Who knows what his credibility is on the ground? I mean, but listen, you're hitting all the notes that we're hitting, Congressman. Listen, there's no eagerness here. There's no fervor to get involved in this conflict. But as you said, this is why we work so hard to get President Trump elected, is for tough decisions like this, and we have to trust his instincts. Ultimately, we have to pray for success and for peace and minimal casualties. And I think it's very telling that a man like yourself, Congressman, that has been in combat multiple times, that this is the tone you're setting. And you heard that as well from Secretary Hegseth. He said, you know, I was there For Iraq. I'm here for this. This is not Iraq. But the humility of going to war, I think we always have to keep that central while praying for our brave servicemen and women. Thank you, Congressman. God bless you. And I look forward to updates as you get briefed in D.C. tomorrow.

Eli Crane (29:06)

Thank you, guys. God bless.

Andrew (29:07)

We're gonna take just a quick detour here because we have to address this. Our friend Charlie was once again targeted by leftists, this time over a massive banner hanging at the Department of Education with his face on it. It was a beautiful tribute at the Department of Education.

Blake (29:24)

Yeah, it was. It was a banner. It had Booker T. Washington, it had. Who was the next one? Katherine Beecher. And then it had Charlie and it said, empowering our states to tell the stories of our heroes in American education. And so it's reflecting the agenda with the Department of Education, which is, of course, abolish it. Ultimately, we don't need a big federal Department of Education. And also. Yeah, so empowering the states and then heroes in American education. And so some very nasty people. I don't think we need to really pull any punches there. We're saying gross people, gross people.

Andrew (30:01)

They deserve to be absolutely excoriated for this insane attack against Charlie. And of course, we are talking about none other than Mehdi Hassan. Mehdi Hassan, the disgraced former MSNBC was. Because it was MSNBC then broadcaster. He's a foreigner.

Blake (30:20)

MSNBC. I can never remember Ms. Now.

Andrew (30:22)

Whatever, Ms. Now.

Blake (30:23)

They changed it because they were embarrassed about it.

Andrew (30:25)

Well, he had to say, first Democratic presidential candidate who publicly pledges to tear down this particular banner on day one of his or her administration gets an immediate bump in their presidential primary polling. Shut up. Mehdi Hasan. Yeah, shut up. Go back to whatever hellhole you came from and go terrorize the people there. That's my message for you.

Blake (30:46)

What stands out to me is Mehdi is of course a leftist and he's been freaking out massively about this war non stop. You can go to his X account and. Okay, well, Charlie was someone who opposed war, was hesitant about this war, and this is the grace we get, which is Mehdi Hasan goes online and you could even oppose it. You could say, I don't think this is who should be honored, but instead it's the visceral disgust. He's furious that we would dare commemorate someone who was heinously murdered by a left wing radical while he was on a campus advocating for American principles and free speech, engaging with people who disagreed with him. And then one of those people who Disagreed with him, shot him. And the that's his response is to say, we're gonna immediately support whoever tears down this disgusting banner. Yeah, he's just a repulsive creature, of course. And of course he, you know, is someone who was welcomed into this country from a foreign country. We gave him citizenship for some stupid reason and he rewards us by dumping on an American icon and an American hero. Yeah, you know what? I'll give my primary support to whoever says we're going to try to find a way to strip this person's citizenship and send him back to some dump.

Andrew (31:58)

Yeah, we should actually. We should. And you know, it's worth remembering that in a resurfaced clip from 2009, Mehdi Hasan, given his sermon speeches to Muslim student groups on Islam and extremism. He quoted the Quran to describe atheists, non believers, kuffar disbelievers, as cattle. That's what he said. Deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices. In a list of sins attributed to the historical tyrant Yazid, he concluded a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual deviant, alongside drunkard, dog lover, music lover, killer. So, you know, this is, this is Mehdi Hasan. He's a foreigner. That to Blake's point, for some reason in our stupid immigration system, he was allowed in then. He's allowed to come in here and smear the memory of Charlie Kirk. The legacy of Charlie Kirk. Listen, those are the freedoms that have been bestowed upon him by a superior country and culture than his own. And yeah, whatever, he's British or whatever his, you know, but he's a Muslim. He's somebody that is proudly in favor of the Palestinian movement and Hamas, anti Israel, anti American. And so, yeah, we have a superior culture than Mehdi Hassan's and yet he's come in here and he's been bestowed with the same freedoms that American citizens have long enjoyed. And we should find a way to stop that. We should absolutely find a way to stop that. That's my final feeling on this. I don't see much of a difference between him and many others there that are even more violent. Obviously there's another John Pavlovitz. This is a left wing Christian, apparently, if that's such a thing these days. 365, John Pavlovitz, who wrote a book basically saying, if you're a Christian, don't be a D word. And yet he spends all of his time on social media basically behaving like a D word. And I won't fill in the blanks.

Blake (34:09)

There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that.

Andrew (34:11)

Yeah. But he says left wing Christians are

Blake (34:14)

very often very messed up in the head.

Andrew (34:17)

Well, that's for sure. John Pavlovitz says Charlie Kirk was a horrible human being who despised diversity, empathy, and equality. No, he despised equity, which is a communist term. His face belongs nowhere near a government building, let alone one devoted to education. And then he pumps his sub stack where he says, the shameful Christian idolatry and fraudulent martyrdom of Charlie Kirk.

Blake (34:39)

Yeah, this also captures their values. They say charlie doesn't belong. They'll basically say, Charlie doesn't belong in an education building because he thought college was a scam. Charlie was a huge advocate for education. We would have people touting Christian education, classical education. We had Hillsdale here on all the time. He endlessly loved to talk about what you should learn throughout your life. He advocated education throughout your life.

Andrew (34:58)

He.

Blake (34:58)

He told people, here's how you can get the most out of college if you go. He loved education. He just thought colleges don't educate people. He thought it was a scam. He didn't say the education scam. He didn't say the learning scam. He said the college scam because he thought it was cheating people. He thought all of values that made it important were eroding away. He thought it had become a way for scammers to rip people off. And so these parasites go out and they say, oh, Charlie doesn't belong in the Department of Education building. You know, after we murdered him because he didn't think it was a good idea to spend $200,000 on a worthless degree.

Andrew (35:35)

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Andrew (37:08)

of we are joined by Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former Navy seal, former FBI agent. You can follow him on X. It's a good follow. Jay gilliamseal Jonathan, welcome back to the show. It's been a while since we had you on. I believe last time you were on you were on with Charlie. There is a huge concern with the strikes going on in Iran that it could activate sleeper cells here in the United States. Of course, we had this terrible shooting in Austin. Fourteen were injured, two killed when a 53 year old man from Senegal, Sovalese immigrant, naturalized citizen.

Blake (37:44)

And I believe his shirt said Property of Allah.

Andrew (37:46)

Yeah, and his T shirt had some sort of reference to Iran underneath that sweatshirt. So the question then becomes what do you do about this Head on a swivel, Stay frosty. There's multiple levels to this though. Jonathan, what are you watching and paying attention to right now?

Jonathan Gilliam (38:07)

Well, first of all, let me just touch on that head on a swivel stay frosty thing that people say a lot. So are either of you guys in finance? Do you study finance at all?

Andrew (38:18)

I'm not in finance. I study it as best I can.

Jonathan Gilliam (38:21)

Okay, so if I ask you what stock should I invest in today, are you going to give me an educated opinion or are you going to give me an opinion based on what you've heard?

Andrew (38:33)

Right, What I've heard.

Jonathan Gilliam (38:34)

Well, that's just. Okay. It's the same thing here. Just being aware is like saying, you know, I know that there's stocks in the stock market, right? So it's what you're aware of that that is. So as many people listen to this, this podcast and watch this podcast, especially people who are smart critical thinkers, they have to understand what to look for, when to look for it, and what is normal versus what is abnormal behavior in Any sector of their life. And I'll get to why this is so important now and what threats we're looking at. But this is the very first thing that people must realize is that I have to go study stocks and the market and all these things to get versed in when and how to invest. And it seems complicated, but for those who do it, it's not that complicated. Well, it's the same thing with attackers. That guy that walked into that bar in Texas and killed two people and wounded 14, well, he wasn't a rocket science. He wasn't a Navy seal. He was a guy wearing a property of Allah, which, by the way, he is a property of his Allah now, but he's actually property of our God. Now. He didn't have all this Special Forces training and things to walk in there and carry out a successful terror attack. He had the will. And the people that were killed and wounded did not have the awareness to see a guy walking in with a property of all a shirt, wearing camouflage pants and carrying a gun. So this is where he figured out the vulnerabilities and he exploited those vulnerabilities. And the interesting thing is the people that got shot and the people that were in that bar, they also know about those vulnerabilities. They just don't look at it from his perspective. So that's where I started out. That's why I started out with the comparison to stocks, is that we all know, and we've heard, that if you invest your money correctly, your money is going to make you money. And if we learn just a little bit about how the market goes back and forth, we can then start to develop more of an understanding of where and how to invest our money. It's the same thing here. If you look at how these attackers traditionally work. If you look at yourself, your life, your sectors, each sector of your life, your business, church, school, so on and so forth, and you say, if I was going to attack, this is why I would choose this. This is what I would exploit to get to that area effectively when it might happen. Because that bar is not a viable target Sunday morning at 12am it's a viable. Or, excuse me, at 12pm it's a viable target at 12am Sunday morning because that's Saturday night. So we have to look at our lives from the attacker's point of view and then turn around and say, now my awareness is heightened. I know to look in this area at this point in time. I know that the attack could come from this direction. It might be that type of attack. And then you can say this is normal, that's normal at that time in that place, but this is not normal. And so if people can do this using their knowledge, but looking at an attacker's point of view and then turn around and then eliminate vulnerabilities, develop plans of action, what they'll end up finding is that they, for instance, in the Ariana Grande concert that got bombed years ago, people who thought, you know what, I'm not going to walk out when everybody else does because that's an area that's ripe for an attack. I'm either going to leave early, which I would have if I was forced to go to Ariana Grande concert, I would have left early. Or you wait for everybody else to leave and then you go, because then you could have avoided, you would had a plan of action to avoid that critical time in that critical area.

Andrew (42:39)

So, Jonathan? Yeah, I'm just, I'm curious.

Blake (42:43)

Well, this feels spooky. It sounds like you're kind of in a roundabout way saying just avoid crowded spaces at this point.

Jonathan Gilliam (42:51)

No, what I'm saying is, well, yeah, if you don't have to go into those crowded spaces, then don't. But if you do, and it's not just crowded spaces, I mean, that bar was not the biggest bar, it wasn't the most packed bar, but it was a place in time that was, could have been ripe for an attack. And it was so not paranoid, but aware. And it's a huge difference. Being this aware frees you up. You're not going to worry, am I going to get caught? Because you're going to have a plan of action and then if it does happen, that plan is going to allow you to maneuver to safety. And so that's how we do threat assessments and that's how people should do that on their lot.

Andrew (43:30)

I'm just curious, when you go into a crowded space, especially right now, where we're under heightened security risk with everything in Iran, are you looking for an exit? As soon as you walk into a building? Is that like, what are the first three things you do? You say, where's my exit? How do I get immediate cover? What's the list that goes to your head?

Jonathan Gilliam (43:51)

Well, if I can choose where I'm going to sit or where I'm going to go, that's what I do. If I can't choose, then yes, I'm always monitoring exits, not just the exit, what are other exits, and you can kind of get an idea for the places that you're going to go. You go regularly. You know, I live in Arizona, so I'm familiar with where you all are at, and I've been there before, and I always have an understanding of the threats, as you all do. And. But I don't know if you all. But I definitely look at it from an attacker's point of view. So when I, when I walk up anywhere, I'm understanding, for instance, in a mall that there is places to exit in the back that take me to an alleyway that could lead outside of a building. I don't necessarily have to go out the front door. So that, that is the defensive side, the awareness, the attacker side is saying, if I was going to attack, I'll probably just walk through the front door with a knife or a gun. And if something happens as a defender, I'm going to avoid that and I'm going to go towards the back and go out. And so this is the back and forth, the switch, the on and off, the what if game, and going back and forth from the attacker to the defender.

Andrew (44:59)

No. And by the way, you know, it's a terrifying reality that we've all had to confront around here of, of just constantly being vigilant and constant. You know, it's. Understand you might have a tail.

Unknown Interviewer (45:10)

Where.

Andrew (45:10)

How do you, how do you shake the tail? You know, what do you do if you have an intruder? What do you have? Somebody who comes on campus, God forbid. We've run through all these scenarios because this is the world we live in, unfortunately. And obviously with what happened to Charlie, our awareness is even more heightened. Jonathan, how do people find you if they want to keep tabs on your advice and what you're putting out there?

Jonathan Gilliam (45:33)

Jonathan Gilliam, anywhere on social media, just look for this face. Face for radio. And. And if they DM me and they have a question, I can always get back to them if I see it. And listen, awareness is the name of the game. Awareness and thinking like they do, so you can avoid it. Yeah.

Andrew (45:51)

Well, Jonathan, thanks for making the time. You know, Austin really drove this point home. So thank you for helping us stay vigilant, giving us some pointers and tips and tricks. Thank you so much. Jonathan Gilliam, former Navy seal, former FBI agent here in Arizona. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do, not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells. You and I, we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And Once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with preborn and she sees her baby and hears her baby's heartbeat, you will double the likelihood that she will choose life. And 100% of what you give goes to providing ultrasounds. 100% preborn separately. Fundraises for administrative costs. $280 can save 10 babies. $28 a month can save a baby a month all year long. And a $15,000 gift. I know there's some of you out there that can afford this $15,000 gift will provide a complete ultrasound machine that will save thousands of babies for years and years to come. Call 833-850-2229 or click on the preborn banner at charliekirk.com today. Again, that's 833-850-2229 or click on the preborn banner at CharlieKirk.com so we're going to continue this conversation. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth says the US Is ready for possible Iranian sleeper cell attacks. On concerns about Iranian sleeper cells.

Charlie Kirk (47:35)

And kind of what has the Trump

Andrew (47:37)

administration been doing to kind of monitor

Pete Hegseth (47:38)

these all across the Internet agency in full coordination? Of course, we're paying attention to any potentialities there. This is a former regime, a regime that seeks to export that ideology and try to sow terror. We're ready for that. We've seen these types of folks before, and the American people can rest assured that were vigilant on that.

Andrew (48:02)

Let's do a little back in time here. This is Tulsi Gabbard. 366.

Tulsi Gabbard (48:07)

You revealed that the Biden administration, I didn't believe this headline that they deported only eight out of a hundred illegals

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (48:15)

with ties to isis.

Tulsi Gabbard (48:17)

It is inconceivable to me to have a commander in chief and a president who would knowingly return those who are either known or suspected terrorists or those who had very close ties with known or suspected terrorists back onto our streets in their country. But unfortunately, it's exactly what happened. There were over 400 illegal immigrants who came from Central Asia into our country. Of those, there were hundreds who had either ties to terrorists or were terrorists themselves.

Blake (48:46)

This is something I would truthfully tease Charlie about. He had a big fascination with sleeper cells, which I think was somewhat related to him watching 24 a lot when he was growing up. You have these espionage shows where there's a lot of them. But Tulsi's Getting at the heart of it, which is that for decades, really, and especially during the Biden administration, we really did just let anyone in at the southern border. It was so simple to just be let in. We had people not just coming from Latin America, but they're coming, as she said, Central Asia, the Middle East, China. And a lot of them are criminals, sex offenders. We don't know who they are. They don't have any real identification. And we've let them in for years. And we're just at the point where there are millions of people in the United States from foreign lands, where we don't know what motivates them, why they're here, what weird mental problems they might have. So some of them could be active agents of foreign governments, or they're just nutballs who obviously shouldn't be here. And both of those pose a real threat where they could react to this either because they're ordered to or just because they choose to. That property of a law guy, I don't think was sent here as anyone's agent.

Andrew (49:56)

He has a. He has a history or had a history. He's dead now, but he had a history of mental illness.

Blake (50:01)

Yeah. And we just let him in. He came in, overstayed a visa illegally. We just let him become a citizen anyway because he married somebody, which I think that would be a good rule. If you violate a visa to stay here, you can't use a marriage as a get out of jail free card on it. And, yeah, eventually just snapped and killed people.

Andrew (50:20)

Well, and this is millions who could

Blake (50:21)

do this, of course.

Andrew (50:22)

And by the way, they're not all Iranian nationals, although some of them are. This is a report CBS from June 2025, where the. Where ICE arrested 11 Iranian nationals, I guess, across eight states in 48 hours. This is real, this. That's why Interior enforcement is so important. 360.

Tulsi Gabbard (50:41)

The Department of Homeland Security says Yousef Maradeno had been living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application on Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national was added to the US's known or suspected terrorist list, he was arrested in central Mississippi. He's now in ICE custody pending removal proceedings. And he's not alone. Over the past 48 hours, ICE officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals spanning eight states nationwide. Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions, their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possessions. Also among those apprehended, Ribvar Karimi. ICE officials say they found his estate, Islamic Republic of Iran army identification card and allege he served as an Iranian sniper.

Blake (51:37)

Okay, just let these guys in super casually.

Andrew (51:40)

Just to remind you, this is. Go back in your head to Minneapolis, all these blue haired Karens using their cars as battering rams against ICE officials. These are the people that they're getting out of the country. This is why interior enforcement matters. This is why we can't give an inch to these crazy people. They think that their message is compassion. They think that they're trying to be inclusive or whatever. I don't want to be inclusive of people like that. I don't want to be inclusive of people that are going to turn the gun on American citizens and fire into a nightclub in Austin, Texas or wherever. And so this is a very real problem. I'm candidly, there's a big part of me that's glad we've had at least a year of ICE deportations under President Trump before this kind of action was taken in the Middle East.

Blake (52:28)

Yes. But we need a lot more. And it really, it is just an illustration of how badly we've harmed America. This 100% America last attitude, this attitude of everyone in the world has a right to come to America and stay in America. Like every single good idea I've heard is, you know, anytime a plane crashes, we have this board that comes in and they analyze every single thing about the crash. And, you know, how could this have happened? And we do new safety innovations to make sure and as a result, we have almost no plane crashes anymore. And I think it would be pretty reasonable for us to do that. The same way, like any time an immigrant to this country does something like a terrorist attack, a mass shooting, they're caught doing some really heinous crime. It should merit an actual, you should make someone have to write up a report. How did this person get into America? Why did they remain in America when they were obviously insane or a criminal and then make changes or a welfare thing? And how do we prevent this from happening in the future? And you should make it so someone is getting humiliated, someone is losing their job when this happens. Because we have done this over and over and over again. We've had it multiple times in the past year where someone who is an immigrant to this country just stabbed someone to death on the bus. Specifically on a bus. Lunatic immigrants of the country stab someone to death. The number of people who come into this country and then stab someone to death on a bus should be zero. I'm going to guess in a lot of countries it is zero. Somehow they don't have this problem. Even if they have immigration there. It is a choice.

Andrew (54:00)

Well, and you think about recreating how we got here. So you got a Senegalese immigrant who comes, not sure what was in the benefit of America to even let him in in the first place, overstays his visa, has a history of mental health issues, then gets married and we allow him to stay. This guy is a complete degenerate. That shouldn't have been allowed. And this country should have been deported. Candidly should have never been naturalized. The fact that we're just so knee jerk to extend our compassion to somebody that doesn't belong here, hates our country and by the way, worships, you know, has a Quran in his car. By the way, you know, there's I

Blake (54:37)

want to beat up on Mehdi Hassan more. He's also tweeted over the weekend yesterday. God help us if we're about to see a repeat of the post Iraq era. We illegally invade a midi's country, energize extremists, and then get predictable blowback terrorism in the U.S. gee, why is it predictable that there would be blowback terrorism in the United States? I don't feel that it was predictable that we would get blowback terrorism when we fought any of our wars 100 years ago. But apparently now it's a predictable consequence if we pursue any foreign policy. Yeah, where does that come from, Mehdi? Maybe people making that predictable shouldn't be in the country.

Andrew (55:12)

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Pastor Robbie Dawkins (56:28)

Thanks, Andrew. It's.

Andrew (56:30)

Glad to join.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (56:31)

I'm in Dubai, don't mind saying you're in Dubai.

Andrew (56:33)

So Dubai is actually there's been some missiles that have gone right to Dubai, really close to that. I forget the name of the building, but Khalifa. Yeah. It's the tallest building in the world.

Blake (56:44)

Are you hearing the explosions go off?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (56:47)

Yes, most definitely. They hit early this morning. They hit the airport. They had struck one of the malls here before that.

Charlie Kirk (56:58)

Also.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (56:58)

They struck a hotel yesterday or day before yesterday, rather. Yeah. We've got several videos that we've taken of missiles that have been shot down, drones that have been shot down. We're hearing mortar blasts here. Today was, was a little bit unusually calm for what we've been hearing over the past couple of days. But it, but it's definitely been very active. And my connections in northern Iraq and also the northern part of Iran have also been hearing active, you know, fighting that's been going on there, too.

Andrew (57:39)

So what do you think the goal is? And we're going to get into Iran in just a second, Pastor, but what do you think the goal is of the IRGC sending off missiles into neighboring Arab states?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (57:53)

Well, there's a couple of thoughts. My personal thoughts is I think they're trying to provoke Arab nations to participate very foolishly. I mean, why would they do that if they're being struck by the irgc? But that's, it seems to be that's something that they're trying to do. They're, they're in an active ploy to engage other Arab nations. You know, Iran is not Arab, it's Persian, but to engage them in engaging into the battle. And so that's something that they are heartily involved in doing and have been trying to do. But all of these surrounding nations, uae, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, have all given support to the US and IDF forces.

Andrew (58:37)

All right, so this is what I'm trying to ascertain and why I wanted to have you on, Pastor, is because not only are you a longtime friend of mine, but I know for knowing you for years that you have been doing ministry work inside Iran and Pakistan. You know this area very well and you know the people very well. So you know what this is. So there's conflicting reports Right. So I'm seeing these videos you could throw 376 on just without sound, please. But this is apparently pro government rallies that are taking place right now. They're saying no submission, no surrender, war with America. But you're hearing the other side of that story, which are people within Iran that seem to be very happy about this. What is your gauge right now about the actual sentiment on the ground? Are they for these strikes? Are they against them? What's the truth?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (59:34)

I did not know one Iranian that is not pro this war, that they are happy that Israel and the United States are striking them. I don't know one that is not happy about that. These rallies that are taking place, you have to realize this has gone on, I've worked in Iran on for over 20 years and also Afghanistan and Pakistan, as you mentioned. And let me tell you what they do is they force many of these students. There is a food shortage, there's water shortage. They are threatening students, they are threatening people that they will cut off their ability to get food, that they will cut off their ability to get supplies if they do not show up at these rallies. If you're a government worker, if you're idf, military or police, if you don't show up and your family doesn't show up, you could even be killed. They, they are taking this extremely seriously. So this is all propaganda. It is all under the threat of the IRGC maintaining control. And that is literally all that it is. They've even paid students in the past. Imagine George Soros and things he's done, you know, where they have forced them to come, or that they would be cut from the school, they would be cut from the education system and their food supply would be completely cut off. The that is what is happening. And that's not hypothesis, that is actual facts of what's taking place right now.

Andrew (60:52)

Well, and I've sent you just over the weekend, I've sent you a number of videos that have been circulating online. Some have been proven to be old videos of these IRGC rallies, but these ones do, the ones I just put on screen, they do appear to be current. So you're saying that you're hearing from the ground, your sources on the ground that, that a lot of these are coerced demonstrations. There's gotta be real popular support though, right? Even if it's a minority. I'm sure there's factions within Iran. I mean, it's a huge country, 80, 90 million people, various geographies, various ethnicities. There's gotta be popular support for the regime, I'm sure. Do we have any idea of what a percentage of support of the nation would be supportive of the regime versus supportive of overthrowing it?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (61:43)

There's not going to be any hard numbers regarding percentage of ratios. I can tell you right now, Like, I know thousands of Iranians in the country. I'm in communication with Iranians every day, all day long, and there is no one that is in support of the irgc. Literally no one. That's the reason why you're seeing all of these people shouting from their, you know, flats and from their balconies, you know, death to the Ayatollah. Deaf to, you know, the irgc. And they are just sick of it. So all of it is propaganda. If there is anybody that's in support, most of those people are in support because they've been told that if the US Comes in that they will be killed, even though the president clearly stated that they will give, you know, immunity to anybody who surrenders. They're being told, no, you'll be killed, and if they don't kill you, then they're going to be killed by the irgc. So this is like old school. Imagine old school Soviet, you know, way of dealing with things. That's what's happening right now on the ground in Iran. But the percentage I'm telling you now, there is vast, vast numbers. I know university students right now that are ready to take over, that are ready to do things, that are ready to step up, that they've been preparing for this for a long time. And, you know, we're my particular ministry. We're getting medical supplies into them, we're getting starlinks into them. We're smuggling those in. We have an active route for that. But there's so much demand right now because the vast population, they are ready to see this regime fall, and they are not in support.

Andrew (63:24)

So we had Representative Eli Crane on before, and nature abhors a vacuum, as they say. Right. And President Trump is telling people to stay inside. So presumably the supporters of the overthrow of the regime are still inside. They're hunkering down. It's still dangerous. The question, though becomes, is there any. You know, this. I always forget his name. Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi. Pahlavi, yeah. So is there popular support for him coming in to help usher in new leadership? You think so? Okay. Interesting. I was. Blake and I were convinced we were getting. There was like an op going on because we had a number one.

Blake (64:02)

I still think there's probably an op going on.

Andrew (64:04)

We weren't sure if that was sort of outside prep propaganda from expats that were all over the world, the diaspora of Iranians, Persians, or if that. So you're telling me your read on the ground because, again, you know, a ton of these people, you're saying that's actual organic support for this guy?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (64:22)

Yes. And the main reason why is because they do not trust anybody that has been in leadership so far coming out of the regime that would say they would switch sides or that they don't agree with it anymore. Pahlavi has made a commitment to a democratic government. He said he would only take the position if the Iranian people chose him. That's a big difference from everything else that they're hearing inside the country from the regime. And they also are people that are hoping for him to step in, even if it was in a form like a Prince Charles form, where it was a figurehead, but to come in and to be a stabilization and help set up a new government that is voted upon, which Pahlavi has committed to.

Andrew (65:01)

Fascinating. But the question then, your read on the ground is that because the brutal crackdowns on protesters, we're hearing reports of 20, maybe 30,000 were killed in the streets.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (65:15)

I believe it's more than 50,000.

Andrew (65:17)

You believe it's higher. Okay. Wow.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (65:19)

More than 50,000.

Andrew (65:20)

You believe that despite that crackdown, that the. The survivors of that movement are ready to come back to the streets and reclaim power when. When the coast is clear?

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (65:33)

Absolutely. You got to realize, Andrew, they can't even go to the hospital. They go to the hospital and they have wounds that are. Or they've been marked as being participants in those protests. They will be killed at the hospital. So there's underground clinics. That's the reason why we've been getting medical supplies in, because there's underground clinics, because people. People cannot show up to the hospitals or they'll be killed as soon as they arrive.

Andrew (65:55)

Wow. These are some videos that Robbie sent from, I believe, Dubai, which crazy. 378. This is actual explosions that they were able to see. 378 if you can throw that up, it looks like a high rise. They were looking down. One of these missiles landed in a civilian area. Pretty wild. And you can see them in 377, actually, the missiles coming down and tracking them. I mean, just wild to see that in the skyline of Dubai, which is one of the most famous skylines in the world. Just incredible. Robby. We're joined by Pastor Robby Dawkins. He's currently in Dubai, but He has a lot of long history of doing ministry work in Iran and Pakistan, Afghanistan. One of the things that people are not aware of, culturally, I think the American public has an image of Persian people, maybe whether through movies or just an assumption. But explain the difference between an Arab Muslim and a Persian Muslim or a Shia and Sunni. I don't know how you want to break that down, but culturally, give us a sense of what. What. What they're like. Are they pro Western? Are they anti Western? Is that too simplistic a framing? Please.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (67:19)

Well, you definitely have the. You know, the Persian people are very warm to the Westernization and warm to the United States. What you're seeing, even back in the 70s with the, you know, students that were taking over and all that, so much of those were people that were from the outskirts. They were from the country. The majority of people that ended up, you know, leaving here, fleeing here, you know, were leaving because they were having, you know, because the Shaw had been overthrown and the government was overthrown. Many of them worked in the government, and so they had to flee for their lives. Anybody with money, any. Anything like that, they had to leave. So Muslim. The Muslim population, I actually have. I'm. I'm quite sure that the Christian population right now actually outnumbers the Muslim population. I know that sounds extreme to say that, but I am in communication with numbers that are. They're extremely rough. There's no way to calculate it and be precise, but that they're very, very strong. And people are just sick of the Islamic republic. They're sick of Islam. They believe it's all lies. You have to realize even Muhammad was questioning at the end if Allah was a demon or was actually God. And he was struggling with that, even himself.

Andrew (68:39)

And I will say, Robby, that does sound extreme, and I love you, but I doubt it. But I have met a lot of Iranians, whether they're living in the UK now or in Los Angeles, that are actual Catholics or Christians. So I don't doubt that there's a significant population. One of the stories that sits in my mind is after Charlie was assassinated, you were telling me that you were doing evangelism in these countries. I think it was Pakistan at that point, but I think it's similar in Iran. And you were saying that Charlie, his legacy and his inspiration, his life, just spurred on a ton of conversions. Tell us some stories about that.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (69:22)

Yeah, we actually. We were in Hyderabad, Pakistan, and the police showed up and this. I had 300 people I was doing. We call them acts, which is Arab Kingdom training schools where we're training people how to live the book of Acts. Acts and step out to bring people into relationship with Christ. And the police showed up and they came to the front. I was up speaking, and it's the first time I've seen this in Afghanistan. You know, I've been arrested for four different times for the gospel, three times in Afghanistan, one time in Russia, and have been through all kinds of things. Incarceration overnight for days, torture, different things like that. But this is the first time I never saw any underground church leaders not run. They stayed, they were in place. And I was shocked. And then the next day the secret police showed up. Now, these are the guys that can torture you. These are the guys that can come in and do all this horrible things. I know because I was, you know, taken by the secret police in Afghanistan and held for several days, but they were, they didn't move. And afterwards I looked at them and I said, I've never seen people not run from the police or the secret police in these countries. And I said, why is that? And they said, charlie Kirk. And I said, what do you mean, Charlie Kirk? And this is right after his assassination. They said, when we saw that, we thought if that man could take a bullet and take his, his life be surrendered for Christ, then we can do it too. And we have courage and we want to actually dedicate this school in Hyderabad to Charlie Kirk. And it was just incredible. They were just fearless. And let me tell you something, I've been in that situation before. It's the first time I've never seen them young. Most of these are like university student age, young people. And so I was blown away. And they were so inspired. They were so touched. Just two days before the memorial service, you know, had, had, had aired, you know, for everyone to see. And they were just, they were so committed by Charlie's willingness to put himself at risk, knowing that he could have been killed in Utah and yet going anyway. And they were like, if he can do it, then we can do it. We're going to step out in boldness for Christ as he did.

Andrew (71:47)

Yeah. And that's amazing. You know, we, we often think in terms of Charlie's legacy in the US and, and rightfully so.

Blake (71:54)

It really was a global event, even outside of Christianity. I remember the memorial service they held at a Sikh temple in the uk, I believe.

Andrew (72:02)

Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (72:04)

So as I'm hearing from the Iranians, they're inspired. A matter of fact, I told several of them I was coming home on with you they wish they could get your the show, Charlie Kirk show, but they were like, man, please tell them we are so inspired by everything that we've seen by Charlie Kirk and, and they know you guys names and they're, they're very inspired by, you know, this encouraging program that's speaking to their generation. You know, that that transcends nations, it transcends spaces like that. It really, really does. People relate and they feel that some sense of purpose that's being communicated and being given and they want that, they want that for their lives.

Andrew (72:43)

Wow. Robby Dawkins, Pastor Robbie Dawkins, who I've known for years, has put his life on the line a lot to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Middle East. A place that you don't think is hospitable to it. It's really not actually because you've been in some dangerous situations, Pastor. So thank you for sharing, especially about Charlie's legacy in a place that we don't assume that's really powerful. And please stay safe and I'll be in touch with you giving us updates from the ground in that neck of the woods. So thank you, Pastor Robbie Dawkins. God bless you, my friend.

Pastor Robbie Dawkins (73:20)

It's an honor. Thank you so much, Andrew.

Andrew (73:22)

All right, we'll talk to you soon, brother.

Blake (73:24)

We're getting called out by some people online, we should mention it is primary day tomorrow in Texas.

Andrew (73:30)

Oh, yeah. We've got Paxton on the show tomorrow. We're going to be talking all about it. So please, yes, get out and vote.

Blake (73:37)

We're in Texas. Make your plans now. Make sure it happens.

Andrew (73:40)

Yes, good.

Blake (73:41)

We don't want to hear any of this nonsense about forgetting it drove Charlie up the wall.

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