Polling the Peace + The War Against Teacher Unions

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show
Episode: "Polling the Peace + The War Against Teacher Unions"
Date: June 22, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Andrew, Blake, Rich Barris (The People's Pundit), Jenny Clark (Love Your School), Steve Dase (Steve Dase Show)

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Overview

This episode features two wide-ranging conversations central to current conservative priorities:

1. The public desire for peace in the Middle East and polling around the Iran conflict, featuring strategic analysis with pollster Rich Barris and conservative commentator Steve Dase.
2. The escalating battle against teachers' unions and the fight for school choice in America, with in-depth insight from school choice advocate Jenny Clark.

The tone is unapologetically grassroots, action-oriented, and focused on what Charlie calls "clarity in a sea of chaos." The episode is rich with data, policy implications, candid behind-the-scenes updates, and a few memorable moments of conservative camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

I. Father’s Day Reflections and Community Upkeep ([01:19]–[09:45])

• Charlie and the team open with personal updates about unplugging from social media, spending quality time with family, and the importance of not losing perspective.

  • Notable quote: "Buckle up, everybody. Here we go." – Charlie Kirk [00:59]

• Emphasis on Family, Faith, and Perspective:

  • Charlie underscores that life’s true priorities are family and faith, especially in the face of chaos, political drama, and tragedy. He references a tragic murder that affected their community, prioritizing remembrance and empathy for the bereaved.

  "If you are looking at everything online and that's all you can see, then you literally should remember that family is what's most important and that staying close to the Lord is what's most important." – Charlie Kirk [09:01]

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II. Case Update: Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing ([02:52]–[12:15])

• Legal maneuvering in a high-profile case:

  • Updates on the Tyler Robinson hearing, involving a contentious Daily Mail headline about ballistic evidence.
  • Judge Graff's decision to allow video testimony in lieu of in-person witness (Lance Twigs) and his deferral (“punted”) on a contempt ruling against a prosecutor until Friday.

• Frustration With Delayed Justice:

  • Commentary on the slow pace of criminal justice, particularly in capital cases, and the agitation this breeds in the online community.

  "We should consider: Do we need to change our laws...maybe expand the budget for them to make sure that trials can happen in a timely manner for infamous crimes?" – Blake [11:21]

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III. Iran Peace Talks and Polling the American Public

([12:15]–[36:03], anchors the episode)

• Peace Negotiations Update:

  • J.D. Vance updates: Iran making concessions, reopening to UN nuclear inspectors, using unfrozen assets for food purchase, not terrorism.

  • Skepticism among some DC establishment voices, but public polling shows strong support for peace.

  • Notable moment: J.D. Vance calls out Iran's classic "trash talk" in negotiations:

    "When you guys engage in what us millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the President of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record." – J.D. Vance [15:10]

• Rich Barris Polling Deep Dive:

  • Peace deal is 80–20 popular with the public ([19:41], [22:37])

  • Most Americans lack appetite for war or regime change and prefer domestic focus.

  • Vance's popularity increased post-deal; criticism is "loud but not real" (DC bubble).

    "His [Vance's] stock rose, he got more support as the days went on for this deal. And even though... it got pushback...the opposition...still lost the argument. What does that tell you?" – Rich Barris [21:31]

  • 78% want to end the war now, only 31% believe Iran's nuclear ambitions are fully stopped ([25:00], [69:35])

  • American public more pragmatic and "learned their lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan."

    “The only faction of the right-wing coalition that has a platform that appeals to Gen X and down is the populist anti-war base…If you go back, regress and redo this, this stupidity again, all over, you may not recover this time.” – Rich Barris [31:29]

• DC vs. Populist Conservative Rift:

  • Large gap between elite “war hawks” and ordinary Americans' priorities.
  • Debate on what counts as real leadership: measured peace vs. maximalist “victory.”

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IV. School Choice vs. Teachers Unions: “The Most Malignant Force”

([37:54]–[53:11])

• Charlie introduces Jenny Clark, school choice activist:

  • Arizona is a national "gold standard" for school choice, but faces a referendum threat from teachers’ unions.

  • Notable quote:

    “I believe that the teachers unions are one of the, I would say, most malignant forces in our country, and they hate school choice.” – Charlie Kirk [37:57]

• What the Unions Are Trying to Do:

  • National union efforts are attempting to force a ballot initiative that would roll back Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Accounts (ESA), threatening 100,000+ students.
  • The union’s plan would bar access to ESAs for families making over $150k, described as an attack on both middle-class families and basic fairness.

  “All [the unions] care about is having control of children…and their initiative…would roll back the Arizona Empowerment Scholarship Account Program.” – Jenny Clark [41:31]

• How to Fight Back:

  • Military Family Protection Act as a "poison pill" protection for scholarships.
  • Concrete call for Arizona listeners: don’t sign anti-choice petitions; vote YES on the Military Family Protection Act.

  “If you're in Arizona, vote yes on the Military Family Protection Act because…it actually…it stops the teachers unions initiative because it's constitutional.” – Charlie Kirk [45:53]

• The Bigger Picture:

  • The growth in school choice reflects broad frustration with union behavior during COVID and cultural battles in schools.
  • The expansion of alternatives—homeschool, private, micro-schools—signals a sea change in education.

  “Families…are just trying to do what's best for their kids. And sometimes that's the public school, other times that's home education, micro schools, private schools, all these exciting new things.” – Jenny Clark [48:30]

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V. “America’s Oxygen Mask”: Focus on Domestic Renewal

([54:03]–[71:55])

• Steve Dase weighs in on foreign vs. domestic policy:

  • Admits past hawkish instincts, but argues Americans can't fix the world until they “put their own oxygen mask on first.”
  • Regime change is a fantasy; unlimited bombing not a solution; US unity and domestic issues must take precedence.

  "We have to put our own oxygen mask on...Our way of life by a centimeter from Trump's brain nearly died in this last election." – Steve Dase [68:01]

• False Choices and the Critique of “Forever War”:

  • Panelists challenge those who demand more forceful action on Iran yet reject regime change as unrealistic—“What’s the alternative?”
  • Audience polling shows strong support for peace even if nuclear risks remain unresolved—reflecting a new national attitude.

  "We're either going to bomb them some more and continue to carpet bomb ourselves domestically...or we come home and...put our energy into our own domestic political situation." – Steve Dase [66:20]

  • Memorable: analogy to airplane oxygen masks and the necessity of prioritizing America first.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful." – Charlie Kirk [00:03]
• "I literally touched grass and hung out with my family all weekend." – Charlie Kirk [01:31]
• “That Daily Mail headline...was a complete terrible bastardization…The bullet was so badly damaged...they couldn't do the ballistic tests.” – Charlie Kirk [03:27]
• "I think the public needs to see justice done in a timely manner...Do we need to change our laws?...so that trials can happen in a timely manner for infamous crimes?” – Blake [11:21]
• "Iran will let UN nuke inspectors back in. Could buy US crops with billions in unfrozen assets." – Charlie Kirk [12:57]
• "When you guys engage in what us millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the President of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record." – J.D. Vance [15:10]
• "The Vice President had a stellar week last week. His stock rose, he got more support as the days went on for this deal." – Rich Barris [21:31]
• "The neocon faction doesn’t have a coalition. If you go back, regress and redo this stupidity again, all over, you may not recover this time." – Rich Barris [31:19]
• "If we’re going to save this country, not just in 2026 and 2028...then our education system has to be saved first, because that’s where they’re getting all their ideas.” – Charlie Kirk [38:12]
• "National groups are coming into Arizona to try and get signatures to gut school choice in Arizona, which is the gold standard." – Charlie Kirk [42:46]
• "School choice is a national security issue...Hundreds of thousands of kids...can't read well, can't write well, can't do math well." – Jenny Clark [45:05]
• "Our way of life by a centimeter from Trump’s brain nearly died in this last election." – Steve Dase [68:15]
• "I'm sorry, but Democrats are simply unacceptable at this point. They have proven they have rendered themselves...completely disqualified..." – Charlie Kirk [70:25]
• “Israel is an ally. But all allies to me are cousins. My immediate family is my country." – Steve Dase [70:41]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:19] – Show start, personal & Father's Day reflections
• [02:52] – Tyler Robinson case update
• [12:15] – Iran peace deal updates & polling
• [19:41] – Rich Barris polling deep dive
• [31:19] – Coalition politics and future of the GOP
• [37:54] – School choice battle with Jenny Clark
• [54:03] – Steve Dase: Home vs. abroad, the “oxygen mask” argument

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Actionable Takeaways for Listeners

• On Peace and Policy: Public wants negotiated peace, not endless war or regime change in Iran. Conservative movement must heed the popular will over elite hawkishness.
• On Education: In Arizona (and nationally), support school choice, reject union-driven rollbacks, and understand the union battle as existential for both parties.
• On Community: Maintain perspective, stay grounded in family & faith, and focus activism where it makes a direct impact.

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This summary highlights the episode's main ideas, memorable quotes, and core arguments. It allows listeners who missed the show to grasp both the substance and spirit of the conversation—whether they're following the news cycle, engaging in grassroots activism, or following the culture war in America.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold [e-mail] that is noblegoldinvestments.com.

[Andrew]

all right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew]

It's June 22nd Monday here at the Y Refi Studios. Blake, how are we doing?

[Blake]

Oh, we're doing splendid.

[Andrew]

I will tell you what. I completely logged off this weekend. Probably for the first time Charlie would

[Blake]

tell you to do.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was the first time that I went completely dark. There was no tweets, there was no checking the phone. I literally touched grass and hung out with my family all weekend.

[Andrew]

It was amazing. Absolutely amazing. So good for your mental health.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will tell you. And I will also tell you, when

[Andrew]

I did log back on, I was like, what, a dumpster fire?

[Charlie Kirk]

So social media is.

[Andrew]

So just remember, there is a world

[Charlie Kirk]

outside, and it is amazing and it is wonderful. I was actually in Colorado, went to Telluride, got invited there by some friends,

[Andrew]

hiked a mountain, went fishing, mountain biking. It was amazing. I haven't had a weekend like that

[Charlie Kirk]

in a long time.

[Andrew]

And then I said, blake, you need to go touch grass. And then you proved to me that

[Charlie Kirk]

you actually did in fact, touch grass this week.

[Blake]

I did. In fact, some children asked me to at a lunch after church. They asked me to roll down a hill for them. So I did. In my.

[Charlie Kirk]

I saw the video.

[Andrew]

It was a proper role in, like, a nice outfit.

[Blake]

It went pretty fast. And then I realized how dizzy you get at my age when you roll.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I was gonna say I could barely stand up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, good. Good for you. You need to do that. And that is the basic lesson of my weekend, is I had the most wonderful Father's Day. Thanks for asking. You didn't ask, but that's okay.

[Andrew]

And you guys did a great job on Friday.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got a lot of great feedback and I saw the emails coming through, so great job there.

[Andrew]

So the news today really is multifaceted front. It's multifaceted. We've got the Tyler Robinson hearing that

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm getting updates on.

[Andrew]

They're now deciding whether the defense can

[Charlie Kirk]

force Luna Lance Twigs, the boyfriend, to

[Andrew]

appear in person during the preliminary trial.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just to update the audience again, remind

[Andrew]

you, July 6th through the 10th is supposed to be the preliminary trial. They're also apparently, they were supposed to rule on a contempt sanctioned, potentially on one of the prosecutors.

[Charlie Kirk]

Remember, that goes back to the Daily

[Andrew]

Mail article that said the bullet didn't match, but it was a complete terrible

[Charlie Kirk]

bastardization of a headline. One of the prosecutors apparently said something

[Andrew]

to the press clarifying what that actually meant.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which. What does it actually mean, Blake?

[Blake]

It literally just means all they can say is the evidence does not conclusively demonstrate that it is a match because it was destroyed because the bullet was heavily damaged, as opposed to the way they. But it could be. It could be, but is not proven to be. And they're interpreting that as it is conclusively shown to not be from that gun.

[Andrew]

So that headline went viral from the Daily Mail and they have a thousand

[Charlie Kirk]

other ways to link the suspect to the gun and to the bullet. But the bullet was so badly damaged, they couldn't do what, you know, they couldn't do the ballistic tests like they wanted to be able to do because it was so destroyed. So it was a fake headline. And one of the prosecutors, you know, made a comment trying to clarify the record. And that came after a defense motion. Right. So they felt like they were, you know, needed to do that.

[Andrew]

Now they're going to rule on that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And basically what I'm hearing from an insider is he punted on it.

[Andrew]

The judge Graff punted on at the

[Charlie Kirk]

beginning of this hearing. He will announce a ruling date to be announced at the end of the hearing. And one of the suspicions here, and again, this is not anybody attached to this case. This is, I'm talking to people that know the, the way court rulings tend to work. And he said, let's see when he schedules the announcement.

[Andrew]

If after the preliminary hearing, then he's

[Charlie Kirk]

going to reprimand the prosecutor, what that could mean. It could be a fine, could just Be like a public reprimand.

[Andrew]

If he schedules, If Judge Graff schedules

[Charlie Kirk]

this before the preliminary hearing, he says, my gut is no contempt.

[Andrew]

So we'll see what happens.

[Charlie Kirk]

It could go either way. I don't think it's necessarily a huge deal anyways, so. But, but we'll. We'll see. It depends on what the sanction is that the, the judge decides if there is contempt and if there's not contempt. Good. Because I do think that there was a compelling issue. There was a compelling issue with that headline.

[Blake]

But the big, the bigger picture here is, however this happens, we're already seeing the case that the effort to get justice for Charlie's murder has already been mangled by people online. And you know who we're referring to who are obsessed with arguing for Tyler Robinson's innocence, who are going to run with anything they can grasp at to push this because they want to promote their alternative theories that endlessly revolve around attacking the people close to Charlie. And let's be frank, attacking is real because they're obsessed with doing that all of the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And that's why that headline went viral. That's why that prosecutor, if they'd made the mistake of breaking the rules and talking to the press, that's why they did it. And this is all downstream of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well, talking about how crazy the online space was this weekend and how I was woefully or I was blissfully unaware of it, Blake was getting into the fray there. But yeah, I mean, listen, here's the thing. There are a couple new updates. So they have a video of Lance Twiggs, basically that the prosecution wants to show during this preliminary hearing. The defense has asked that Luna, Lance Twigs or whatever needs to come in in person, and they basically said no in person. So the judge just ruled that he's not going to allow the defense to issue a subpoena and he is going.

[Andrew]

Judge Graff is going to allow hearsay

[Charlie Kirk]

at the preliminary trial. Trial. So it's not the trial itself.

[Andrew]

Yeah, so it's not the trial itself.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a whole. Again, you've got a preliminary hearing and

[Andrew]

then you've got the actual trial that's

[Charlie Kirk]

going to be much more involved and the rules would change. The preliminary hearing is basically laying out the case, the state's case against Tyler Robinson, which again, our perspective on this is it's overwhelming and multi fact faceted. There's tons of different aspects to it. There's DNA, there's video, there's all kinds of things. So Anyways, that's the update the judge

[Andrew]

is still reading apparently right now. So I will have more updates as the hour continues.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're monitoring it obviously very, very closely.

[Andrew]

And you know, we've got a whole

[Charlie Kirk]

bunch we're going to get into with Iran. Tons of updates there. But let's just end this by reflecting on the fact that this was Father's Day and you know, this was the first Father's Day that Erica and her children and Charlie's children didn't have their father around. So it was very, they were. That's all I thought about yesterday, besides my time with my own kids. It was a terrible reminder of what we have lost and what Erica has lost and what those children have lost. And so, you know, yeah, we've got court updates and we've got Iran updates and there's Internet drama and all these types of things. But this, what you're looking at on your screen right now is what matters is that Charlie wasn't here for his kids on Father's Day. And that's heartbreaking. And, you know, that's what's really important. I will tell you, this whole weekend, Blake, was like a reminder to me of what, what is really important. And it's family. It's making sure we can live in a country safely, that we can say what we believe in safety and not having to fear an assassin's bullet. It's making sure that this beautiful country that we have continues moving forward and health as a healthy democracy, a representative republic, a constitutional republic. And anyways, that's my big takeaway from this weekend is that if you are looking at everything online and that's all you can see, then you literally should remember that family is what's most important and that staying close to the Lord is what's most important. And just go touch grass, go roll down a hill because it will do you some serious good. And so anyways, we remember Erica and the kids and we pray for them and we're with them to have their back 100%.

[Andrew]

Update.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Lance twigs, the trans identifying lover

[Andrew]

of Tyler Robinson, will not be required

[Charlie Kirk]

to testify in person. So the defense, their motion did not succeed. I think that's a good thing for

[Andrew]

the prosecution in the state.

[Charlie Kirk]

And candidly, for the preliminary hearing, it

[Andrew]

might be different at the trial, but they've got him on video already and

[Charlie Kirk]

they get to show that it's just this.

[Blake]

It's so bizarre where this preliminary hearing is now this week long thing and it is not the trial, it is the prelude to the trial before a plea is even entered.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, the whole thing is infuriating. If you're on our end of it, I will tell you, listen, we want justice. We want the truth. But this is like it just.

[Andrew]

And this is what happens in a capital case, by the way, for the

[Charlie Kirk]

contempt, you know, the contempt against the prosecution. The defense is asking that they remove the death penalty as one of. As sanctioned.

[Blake]

That's one of the reasons.

[Andrew]

Not gonna happen. That's what we mentioned.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not gonna happen. It's crazy that they're even asking for that.

[Blake]

It is, but it's just everything about this, We've mentioned this before, that a big thing that's driving all of the weird psychosis around this case that you and I know exist is how incredibly long it's taking to do everything. And, And I'll be frank. I don't think this case. I don't think the details of this case require that it need a two or three year criminal justice process. I think the evidence is fairly straightforward. And I think the public needs to see justice done in a timely manner. And this is worth thinking about. That we should consider. Do we need to change our laws? Do we need to change our approach to prosecutions, criminal justice, maybe expand the budget for them to make sure that trials can happen in a timely manner for infamous crimes? Because otherwise you just have these people endlessly agitated and they want updates, they want developments, and it's taking a year to get anything done.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So just as we continue updating from this, the court is prioritizing matters that would impact preliminary hearings. So therefore, he punted on the contempt. He is announcing the contempt on Friday. Friday. So his decision on the contempt will happen on Friday. But the big. I think the big news right now is that Lance Twigs will not be showing up in person. The video will suffice for the preliminary hearing. That's what you need to know. So we are getting the video downloaded and we'll show you that as we. As we.

[Andrew]

As we get it again, all happening in real time. Want to talk about Iran? So there was this huge dust up

[Charlie Kirk]

over the weekend, but the big news

[Andrew]

is that JD Vance is out front and he is basically saying huge progress is being made. And I just can't help but notice, Blake, you and I, quietly behind the scenes, much like Charlie, we're kind of

[Charlie Kirk]

very skeptical about going in.

[Andrew]

You can always choose when to start.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can't choose when to end a war. Right. We've said that again and again.

[Andrew]

Now Iran is willing to concede on the nuclear. And they're going to be. That's the big headline that you see on your screen. Iran will let UN nuke inspectors back in. Could buy US crops with billions in unfrozen assets.

[Charlie Kirk]

According to to J.D. vance. So let's go through these details.

[Andrew]

So apparently J.D. vance, he gave a press conference earlier this morning kind of addressing some of the updates. Were the Iranians trying to walk out of the meeting? He said they threatened to, but they didn't.

[Charlie Kirk]

So they're still here.

[Andrew]

He called it talking trash, talking about if we unfreeze these assets, then what would happen with that money? There needs to be an inspection regime

[Charlie Kirk]

so they can't use them to, to fund terrorism.

[Andrew]

So what is the suggestion? That they use those billions of dollars of unfrozen assets to buy American produce

[Charlie Kirk]

to feed their people.

[Andrew]

So these are really interesting creative mechanisms. Now, none of this has been signed on the dotted line. There's still conflict going on in Lebanon, back and forth with Israel.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm telling you, the same people that

[Andrew]

are opposing this peace deal were the same people that were a really pushing

[Charlie Kirk]

for an escalation of this conflict.

[Andrew]

And the same people that did not want President Trump to run again, the same people that did not want him to run in the first time in 2016. It's almost like you've seen the roles reverse. And that is a very telltale sign that this is probably a really good

[Charlie Kirk]

deal for the American people.

[Andrew]

Okay, new polling has come out. We're gonna talk with Rich Barris in the next segment. That 70% of Americans wanna see peace. They think now is the right time to get to peace. And there's a lot of people really upset about that.

[Blake]

A lot of people are. And I think you're seeing a big split here. And we'll talk to Rich about that for sure. Which is, I think there's a lot of people who are, we'll be frank, they're big war hawks in D.C. they really want to take out the Iran regime. And any peace deal short of that will upset them. You have others who I think are very sensitive to just, oh, it's less than we could get. Like once we're in war, we shouldn't settle for less than a very clear cut, big victory. But I think the American people just, they want to be focused on at home 100% and they'll willingly take a deal that makes some concessions to the Iranians that is much more of a compromise look than a total unconditional surrender look to it. And I Think they'll be grateful for that, even if it's not what the DC people who are invested in Northrop Grumman want?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and I want to get into this trash talk thing. And it's well said. Blake Sat 26 what we told the

[JD Vance]

Iranians yesterday is when you guys engage in what us millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the President of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record. So when they say things that aren't true, the President is going to respond to it. I'm going to respond to it. Americans are going to respond to it. When they make threats that aren't rooted in reality, they have to accept that the President of the United States is actually going to set the record straight. That's all that happened. So, yes, there was a little bit of threatening, there was a little bit of whining, but at the end of the day, the talks continued and we made great progress.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So this is what Iran does, right?

[Andrew]

And the question is, does this mean they're ever going to be capable of behaving in good faith? They trash talk. I mean, during. They were literally getting the absolute crap blown out of them by the US military, and they were still on social media, you know, threatening the day of

[Charlie Kirk]

reckoning is coming and all this stuff. And they were gonna defeat.

[Andrew]

No, listen, this is what they do to save face. So if you're really interested in peace, you understand that you have to let them save face. President Trump's gonna. He's also gonna trash talk, let's be honest. And you gotta remember, we have not unfrozen anything. There is now oil, yes, Moving through the straits. That's a good thing for energy prices throughout the world. But you have to concede some things. You gotta actually kinda say, hey, you can do X, but we get Y. Right. That's the way a negotiation works.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Andrew]

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[Charlie Kirk]

set up this segment for us, okay?

[Andrew]

Now I wanna say I spoke with Batya this morning.

[Charlie Kirk]

She's very against it.

[Andrew]

Bhatia Ungar, Sargon, she's disappointed in this. Probably have her on the show actually probably tomorrow to talk with her about it. Cuz I mean I think she's sincere in her beliefs. But I'm gonna play the clip and then we'll talk about what the polling shows.

[Bhatia Ungar]

Sat 27, Vice President JD Vance has had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week. On a media tour for his new book about his Catholic conversion, Vance administration official defending the President's memorandum of understanding with Iran. And for five days straight, the vice president gaslit, sneered, prevaricated and straight up lied to our faces about what was in the MoU, why it wasn't being released and a host of other things. Here's the truth. Vice President J.D. vance just brought the great United States to its knees with a humiliating deal weeks before our 250th birthday. And he's decided to, like many before him, to blame Israel for the mess his administration created. If this was a dry run for 2028, it was at least very clarifying.

[Charlie Kirk]

So she didn't pull any punches there.

[Andrew]

And what was interesting, and this is why I called her, I said I really believe that you are saying these things sincerely. I just couldn't disagree with you. More like forcefully. I actually think that it was not a very bad week, Rich, for the vice President. I think if anything I've been hearing his stock has been rising. People are really impressed with how he's comported himself, how he's been engaging in his interviews and fighting for his viewpoint and making great case of the American people. That's my pov. What does the poll show, Rich?

[Rich Barris]

Look Yeah, I mean, there's a personal opinion and. Oh, by the way, of course, thanks for having me on. There's a personal opinion, Andrew, that, like, you may not agree with. And I think that's what she's getting mixed up here. There's your feelings and then there's reality and what the country thinks. And the reality is Vance's stock has risen as a, as empirically we can prove this. He's up 10 points in nomination polling, which we're doing. It'll probably be out tomorrow if I don't get it out later today. The peace deal is basically 8020 positive or popular. And we have to keep in mind that this war was not popular. And I think what people who support it didn't seem to understand is that this deal, whether we like it or not, it is a consequence of starting a war without the support of the American public behind you, which means that any military solution that you think you can achieve is not really a viable option. You're just completely duping yourself into believing that the United States of America and the voters of America are going to take thousands and thousands of casualties while armies of US Soldiers go marching into Iran to grab uranium that they don't care about. Andrew, like, this isn't. Come on. This is a little bit loony. Just to give you an idea, the President hasn't been able to creep above 42% since this war started. That's the reality of this situation. He's going to get about a 10 point net bump in approval in our poll from the last one that released last month. The generic ballot is already tightening. It's not where it needs to be, but the last generic ballot that we put out was the largest lead for any party in the history of our polling. Democrats had a 13 point lead, which was up from an 11 point lead the month before. This was all to punish the Republican Party and the Trump administration for starting a war they explicitly stated they did not want, period. So, you know, the Vice president, this is another thing I'd say about that with him specifically, is that when we started, right after the deal was announced, it was popular because people were knee jerks saying, yes, I support it because I didn't support the war. But as time went on, we were interested to see what would happen to that margin because it would tell us whether or not the vice President was effectively selling it and whether people were reacting in a positive way to what he was saying. The Vice President had a stellar week last week. His stock rose, he got more support as the days went on for this deal. And even though we can see, because you and I are in this business, we can see how much pushback, even from the president's own supposed side, how much pushback it got. So despite all of that pushback and despite how loud they were, the opposition to the deal was, they still lost the argument. What does that tell you?

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, what's interesting to me is I've had this suspicion the entire time that the loudest voice is pushing for escalation. And again, Bhatia is a friend. I believe she means this sincerely. This is not a personal attack on her at all. I actually sort of just mean the wider ecosystem.

[Andrew]

I've not been convinced that they have

[Charlie Kirk]

any real constituency, actually.

[Andrew]

I think they've. Yeah, I think peace is incredibly popular. And your point is well made. This was exactly my pushback. I said, listen, you guys want, like, a treaty of, you know, Versailles kind of, like, scenario.

[Blake]

They don't want that. They want the defeat of Germany and

[Andrew]

Japan in World War II. That's not what it's about. Yes, this was not what this is about. And I said this last week, and we're actually gonna talk about this now or two with Steve Dace. And he's, you know, Steve Dace is like a Gen Xer, like, you know, steeped in, you know, triumphalism Americana, let's blow up the bad guys. Like, he. He'll admit, like, that's the way he's kind of wired. And he's like, I don't know what the alternative here is, though.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, what, what?

[Andrew]

And I could make the case, though, and this is what I said last week, that a weakened regime remaining intact in Iran could ultimately be the best thing for the region because it doesn't fall into some sort of civil war, sectarian violence situation that we saw in Iraq. Right. So keeping the current structure in place, the Iranian people want to overthrow their government in the coming months. More power to them. But should that be our job? And I make the argument very much no. We've learned those lessons in the past, and the polling reflects that. The American people have internalized those lessons.

[Rich Barris]

Andrew, they're not ignorant here. This is what I think the pro war side never understood. The American public is not. They're not ignorant to the facts. The truth is they've been through this before and they don't care. The risks to them are not great enough to ultimately pay the cost that they're. They're being asked to pay, especially not after we've been down this Road before it was a Long Road to Baghdad, as the book is appropriately titled. And they learned a lot of lessons along that road. And now here we are after electing the peace ticket, you know, trying to repeat the same mistake. The alternative is what we all have been saying it is. This was, you know, never, in truth, we were never really having a completely honest argument with each other. And the fact is the American public knew that. They understood.

[Andrew]

Rich. I totally agree. There's this second poll that was part of the cbs. You said you got the similar numbers.

[Charlie Kirk]

Very similar.

Okay, yeah.

[Rich Barris]

When you sent that to me, it looks very similar.

[Andrew]

And then check this out, though. So make heads or tails of this. Yeah, 31%. So has the U.S. permanently stopped Iran's nuclear program? J.D. vance is making the case that, yeah, this will essentially stop. They're conceding so much on nuclear that we will effectively have rendered it an impossibility. Okay, but the American people don't believe that. They say, 31%, yes, this is done.

[Charlie Kirk]

69%, no, not done.

[Andrew]

How do you make heads or tails of the first poll that says, yeah, let's make peace, and the second piece of this poll that says, yeah, their nuclear ambitions are not done.

[Rich Barris]

Just to be clear too. So people understand when it comes out, we give an, like an unsure option. I don't know. And that's the only difference you'll see between our numbers and cbs, for instance, because they don't give an unsure. You have to pick one or the other. How do we make heads or tails of this? Actually, I think it's. I know it makes. It seems like it's inconsistent, but it really isn't because I think you have a certain group who is saying, no, not done, because they're looking toward, you know, the negotiation process and all of this being finalized before they're willing to say, yeah, I think we sufficiently curb their nuclear program. So they're waiting for the, you know, not a war ending here, Andrew. Right. But the, the negotiation process that the vice President's promising them. So I think some people are saying that. And then there is another group of people, which again, is a hard hurdle for this pro war group to climb. I mean, it's just a hard hurdle for them to jump you. It's hard to convince the country to do something like this. When you have an entire group, it's anywhere between 25, 35% at any given time in the country that basically says, what right do we have to tell another country they can't defend themselves with nuclear weapons? I Mean, they just, we're arguing a regime. Certain regimes aren't allowed to have certain weapons. And the fact of the matter is a very significant percentage of the American public doesn't even agree with that. So when they say, no, it's not done, it's because some of them think that eventually Iran probably will get a nuclear weapon. And it's not really our prerogative to tell countries around the world that they can. And to be clear, what do these people think when they see these things? Kim Jong Un was supposed to be a monster too, guys. I mean, he was supposed to be this irrational actor who couldn't get nuclear weapons or ICBMs because if he did, Seoul wouldn't exist the next day. Day. Japan wouldn't exist the next day. Meanwhile, here we are, he's got him Pakistan, obviously, in the region as well. They were supposed to. This is a country that housed Osama bin Laden a few miles from the main intel center for years.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, Rich, you know, this is

[Charlie Kirk]

why there was such a vocal opposition to Elbridge Colby. And Charlie really supported Elbridge Colby because

[Andrew]

Elbridge had published a paper, you know, sort of arguing that there could be a realism, a pragmatic realism approach to Iran, even if it had nukes. Right? Now President Trump has said that's not an option. Okay, so he went in and dealt with it. If you get that concession again, what is the alternative? 50,000 troops, 100,000 troops? How many dead Americans? Who's deploying where, how long, how much it's gonna cost? What's the price of oil gonna be? Nobody can answer those questions if the alternative is, I mean, how long are you gonna keep the blockade going?

[Blake]

I'm just thinking about that gap we saw in the numbers. 31% think the nuclear program is taken down. What was it? 78%? 75% say end the war ASAP without getting more concessions. That's Almost, that's over 40% of the country. That's basically by itself a chunk that could nearly win a presidential election. And I just think we wanted to talk about JD's presidential stock and I sense is in D.C. maybe it's falling. There's a lot of people angry. But I think dive into this, Rich. I just think they're going to get a rude awakening about what the priorities of the American people are. It's a lot like, it reminds me of when President Trump was saying stuff about Mexico, saying the stuff about people coming from crap hole countries and everyone's saying, oh, Trump's done now. And then it turned out, oh, it pulled great. All of his stuff was pulling amazingly. I think they're going to get a similar awakening on Iran here.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, you do you remember, guys, when Donald Trump said, you know, well, I like people who don't get caught or something with John McCain and everybody. Yeah. And everyone had this meltdown. Meanwhile, the rest of America was chuckling like, look, we honor John McCain's service, but that was kind of funny. And we got what he said. I do. They are going to get a rude awakening. And it's, it's honestly unbelievable to me that, you know what, holding the Trump coalition now for 10 years, it's honestly unbelievable to me how few people still get it, still really understand. They wanted to go backward, guys. They wanted to regress this coalition and go back to a brand of Republicanism that cannot, I don't mean has a smaller chance, cannot win a presidential election. I don't want to throw names out there because I like some of these people. But some of the alternatives to JD Vance that we hear from the more pro, you know, war crowd, they're living in their own bubble. They're delulu guys. There's no chance any of those guys will ever win Wisconsin, will ever win Michigan, will ever win Pennsylvania. They can't win a single one of those states, let alone all three, which they typically vote together. Regardless. These are anti war states. They're populous states. They're not Republican states even. We can see with the polling that's out now, states like Ohio and Iowa. Donald Trump won by huge margins when Republicans couldn't even win them. Let's not forget it was only a few years before Barack Obama humiliated Mitt Romney and he won all of those states. These are States that pivoted 31 counties in Iowa alone. It's got the largest number of pivot counties, 31 of them. When you look at those counties, why did they go from Obama in 08 to 12 and then to Donald Trump? You could almost dumb it down with one single sentence. Donald Trump wanted to prioritize the working man and woman in this country over what D.C. prioritizes and has for many decades, which is the war machine and whatever makes the ruling class rich. Let me give people a couple of numbers here. When J.D. vance, before the war, J.D. vance was polling typically between 40 to 55% in the nomination. Even when the war was going on and people were mad, he fell to the mid to high 30s. That's still a historic lead for a nomination for on the Republican side for any presidential candidate.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rich. Rich. When you're saying polling, you said like when you're talking about polling though, you're

[Andrew]

saying who, who do you think should

[Charlie Kirk]

be the standard bearer?

[Rich Barris]

The nominee.

[Andrew]

Yes, exactly.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah. Just to clear. Yes. Just to make sure everybody understands that for the nomination, the 20, 28 nomination. And you know, not to throw this out there, you know, to say, you know, we're not, you know, measuring here, but that is historic. His lead has been historic. And now since this peace deal, he's back up to where he was just below his all time high. So why? Because people were upset about the war. Just to give everybody some. This is a very important stat, or it's not even really a stat. It's, it's basic math that everyone needs to get through their heads now. Which is why by the way, Joshua and I wrote burn it down. You have a wing of this coalition that is very loud and has a lot of money. They're also dying. There's no other nice way to put it. They're dying and they're, there's no growth potential because nobody younger in younger generations sees the world that the way they do. And of course it's statistics. Not nobody. You'll find some people, but the tiny amount is not enough to replenish their ranks when the silent gen and boomer one dies. It's that simple. And the only faction of the right wing coalition that has a platform that appeals to Gen X and down is the populist anti war base. So this idea we're somehow going to return to Bushism and you know, there was this whole faction that opposes JD Vance and they're going to get him, they're going to get an alternative nominated. I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it. You're going to get a Ted Cruz or a Marco Rubio nominated over JD Vance and then they somehow have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a national election is not only laughable to people who actually understand the numbers, it's not only ridiculous and Democrats on the other side are just laughing hysterically at how stupid some people could possibly be, but it's actually insulting at this point. It's insulting to the voters that you would do this, this, that you would not see the ab comparison here. You couldn't win a national election to save your life, then you killed the party. Donald Trump came around and resurrected it like Lazarus walks it out of the tomb and makes it a national viable force. And your, your response is to what? Go back and start Another unpopular, stupid war in the Middle east and then trash everybody who represents the faction that's actually growing. This is basic arithmetic. The neocon faction doesn't have a coalition. If you go back, regress and redo this, this stupidity again, all over, you may not recover this time. I think a lot of people in America have this false sense of security where you can keep making the same mistakes over and over again. But we're so strong, we can weather them and we can take them, and there's not going to be any permanent or long term consequences for bad policy. Well, you better wake up. Because every nation is susceptible to the laws of nature and nature's God, and every nation lives in the international system.

[Andrew]

And I'll just, you know, I say

[Charlie Kirk]

this to, you know, like I said it to her. I don't think she'd have a problem.

[Andrew]

I said it to Bhatia this morning when I called her.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just wanted to understand her pov. And again, I hope she's gonna come on tomorrow and we'll talk about it.

[Andrew]

But, you know, if you care about peace in the Middle east, wouldn't you want to at least offer an olive

[Charlie Kirk]

branch to say, hey, Iran, if you

[Andrew]

act in good behavior, we will treat you as a sort of normalized country on some level. And by the way, if you want Israel to be safe, like them not having a nuclear weapon seems like a pretty big concession. And J.D. vance has announced that they're gonna be letting the UN inspectors back in, possibly

[Charlie Kirk]

even like this week or something. I mean, it could be really quickly.

[Andrew]

So anyways, I think you're right when it comes to coalition, and you're also right when it, when you take it to a moral level and what's right

[Charlie Kirk]

and what's good and what's actually the right decision. Right?

[Andrew]

Cause we could talk till we're blue in the face about coalitions, but then the other side will say, but what is right, what is good, what is moral, what is true? And in this instance, they align the coalition. Their instincts are right here. People want peace. We don't want to see the Middle east fall into another civil war sectarian mess. And hey, we don't want nukes. Okay, there you go.

[Rich Barris]

Guides. Even the upper class is getting anxiety. I don't know if anybody saw that in the Wall Street Journal last week. Even the upper class. Now, and we have seen this in our polling, and now the Wall Street Journal picked it up and they wrote a headline over it because they found it so interesting, you know, for many, many years, all of us, the three of us. Charlie. Many, many other personalities have been talking about the anxiety that the working class has felt in this country because their needs are not being met. And that working class base expanded for Trump beyond white working class people because they started to feel lit. Now even. We're making. Yeah, we're making, you know, we're, we're seeing that climb the economic ladder, which is concerning. So that is the moral decision.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Rich Barris, Great stuff, man. Morality.

[Charlie Kirk]

Really great stuff.

[Blake]

All the best.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Carry it forward. We have a guest in studio now. We have been talking about this a

[Andrew]

lot, and I just want to say why.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because one, I believe that the teachers unions are one of the, I would say, most malignant forces in our country, and they hate school choice.

[Andrew]

And if we're going to save this country, not just in 2026 and 2028.

[Charlie Kirk]

But if we're going to save it

[Andrew]

for generations, then our education system has to be saved first because that's where they're getting all their ideas. That's what's happening. And we have a great guest who is one of the most outspoken, accomplished advocates for school choice in the country. And that's Jenny Clark. She's the founder and CEO of Love youe School and she's the chairman of

[Charlie Kirk]

AZLovesASAS.com and if you could put that URL up there. Chairman of AZLovesASAS.Com Jenny, welcome to the set. Welcome.

[Jenny Clark]

Oh, I'm so glad to be here. And I'm so excited to talk about school choice. This is going to be awesome.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

By the way, just so everybody's clear, she's not just running like azlovesas.com is

[Charlie Kirk]

the main pack that's fighting the school, the anti school choice initiative from the teachers unions here.

[Andrew]

But you're also like starting your own school.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like you are doing the things that

[Andrew]

the bill that our school choice in Arizona allows for.

[Jenny Clark]

Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm an Arizona native. I'm a mom of five. I've been involved in this school choice movement since 2018 when we first attempted to get universal Empowerment scholarships here in Arizona. Of course, we ended up getting those four years later in 2022. And now we have over 100,000 kids on the Empowerment scholarship here in Arizona. And of course, 17 other states have joined Arizona. We led the fight as we usually do. We're the gold standard with some sort of other ESA program these other states. So very excited also to be launching a classical Christian hybrid school, School Redeemer. Classical Dot com. We're learning what it takes to go from parent to policy to creating a seat for a student. It's very exciting.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's awesome. I mean, and I've seen you in action. So that's why, you know, I was

[Andrew]

like, I want to hit this topic

[Charlie Kirk]

because we get a lot of emails from people in Arizona that are like, why aren't you talking about this bill or this?

[Andrew]

I don't even. You just give us the details. Is it a referendum or something? But the teachers unions are behind trying

[Charlie Kirk]

to gut the school choice bill that Ducey signed.

[Andrew]

It's his best thing he ever did, by the way. And you were a part of that. You were at like the press conferences announcing it. So you were, you were out front on that. And now the teachers union is trying to fight back and basically gut it.

[Jenny Clark]

Yeah. So here's what they're trying to do. It's so sneaky, but we are more strategic and that is why the teachers unions are going to lose and we quite frankly are going to win. So in January in Arizona, the National Education association just so ridiculous. If you go look at their Instagram account, it's just appalling the things that they put up there. Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are they the biggest?

[Jenny Clark]

They are the biggest NEA today is their Instagram. Yeah. And they are working with the Arizona Education association and Save Our Schools Arizona. They dropped a Protect Education act in January here in Arizona. The entire initiative is an attempt to roll back all school choice in Arizona, starting with Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship Account Program. So we saw right away that they gave $4 million, $4 million from these national special interest groups. They don't care about Arizona, they don't care about our kids. All they care about is having control of children. And their initiative. If they get the signatures which are due July 2nd here in Arizona, would roll back the Arizona Empowerment Scholarship Account Program.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it would go, it would go to the ballot then in November.

[Jenny Clark]

Well, if they get the signatures, we're going to challenge them, of course, because they've just spend a bunch of money with random signature gatherers and there's these

[Charlie Kirk]

people out of state and they're, they're

[Andrew]

going door to door, they're, they're harassing people at malls.

[Blake]

Let's put the numbers on here. What's the, what's the number that at stake? I was just looking at the enrollment figure for this and it was, it was really high.

[Jenny Clark]

Yeah. The enrollment for the Arizona ESA program right now is over 100,000 students. What they want to say, kind of the biggest thing in their initiative is that if you are a family, a hardworking family, a high paying taxpayer and your gross income regardless of family size is $150,000 or more. So that's like a hard working, you know, firefighter and a nurse. You no longer have access to Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship. But what we say to that is, is there an income cap to go to an Arizona public school? Of course not. Wealthy families go to public school all the time. And we have no problem with that because we all believe that education is a public good. But what they're saying is, oh no, if you're a hard working taxpayer, your kids should have to go back to the public school system and your child will no longer have access to this scholarship. I think that's appalling. I think that's absolutely appalling.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's just be clear. National groups are coming into Arizona to try and get signatures to gut school choice in Arizona, which is the gold standard.

[Andrew]

And if you don't live in Arizona

[Charlie Kirk]

and you're in this audience right now

[Andrew]

and you're like, why do I care?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, Arizona set the trend. I mean, again, Ducey did a really good thing, school choice.

[Andrew]

I mean, a lot of people, you know, more conservatives didn't like Ducey, thought he was too moderate, whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

He did a really good thing with this.

[Andrew]

And now Texas has they just rolled out their esa.

[Jenny Clark]

Oh yeah, Texas is esa, Florida's esa.

[Blake]

This is the best policy Arizona, almost any state has done in the country

[Andrew]

in the past five years. Now other states are following suit, but then the teachers unions, which is basically just a Democrat super pacific, that all their money goes to Democrats. This is Katie Hobbs getting all their money. And by the way, this is now coming into the governor's race here in Arizona. So because Andy Biggs, we have a clip on this and I'll show it to you. This is front page headline news because there couldn't be a bigger distinction between Andy Biggs and Katie Hobbs.

[Charlie Kirk]

Play SOP 30.

[Andy Biggs]

Katie Hobbs is trying to actually crush educational freedom in this state. And she's siding with unions and she's siding with administrators. She's going after educational choice. But every parent, I believe, has a, has a more special interest in that child's education than an administrator. I think the people that are most important are going to be your student, your parents, and they teach actual teachers.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. Everything that Andy Biggs says, like I'm four. Okay, just to be very clear, the

[Andrew]

guy is so spot on. He would be such an amazing governor in this state.

[Charlie Kirk]

I hope that the people of Arizona get their act together and understand it too. And by the way, turning point action is, I mean, we are going to be full force. That's mission critical. Get Andy Biggs elected. There's all this bad news coming out for Ruben Gallego, by the way, like

[Andrew]

we got to get rid of him too.

[Charlie Kirk]

But the point is it all starts with school choice.

[Andrew]

And if you can break the backs

[Charlie Kirk]

of the teachers unions, guess what that means.

[Andrew]

Less money for their super pac, which

[Charlie Kirk]

they call teachers unions, funding people like Katie Hobbs.

[Andrew]

They know this is existential to them.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is why they hate esa, they hate school choice. And that's why what you're doing is so important. But you're playing like 3D chess here. I mean, I don't know if you

[Andrew]

want to go into this segment.

[Jenny Clark]

Oh, no, I do.

[Steve Dase]

Let's go.

[Andrew]

We got a minute left. We got a minute left.

[Jenny Clark]

It's important. Well, you know, you got to fight on all levels. Right. And try to be more strategic than the teachers unions, because, as you mentioned, Blake, there's a lot at stake. So school choice is a national security issue. We have hundreds of thousands of kids in Arizona and then millions across the country. They can't read well, they can't write well, they can't do math well. So we have to be successful in Arizona. Thankfully, the Goldwater Institute's Military Family Protection act is the poison pill that Arizona voters need to know about.

[Charlie Kirk]

In a good way.

[Jenny Clark]

In a good way.

[Andrew]

This is a poison pill to the teachers unions.

[Jenny Clark]

The poison pill to the teachers union. Thanks, Andrew. Yes, it's going to the ballot. It is going to protect any scholarship program that military families have access to it, including Arizona's empowerment Scholarship. So we are going to be a yes on that on the ballot. We'll have the prop number soon. A yes on the Military Family Protection Act.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so if you're in Arizona, vote yes on the Military Family Protection act because it's a. It actually kind of like it stops

[Andrew]

the teachers unions initiative because it's a constitutional.

[Jenny Clark]

That's exactly right. Constitutional, not legislative.

[Andrew]

Blake, you brought up a good point.

[Blake]

Yeah, I just want it. So we mentioned the teachers unions as the foe here, but I want to remind everyone, big picture, why we're in this situation, why there's so much demand for these scholarships. Let's just take everyone back. What have we gone through through the last few years? We've seen unionized teachers fought to shut your child's school down during COVID and keep it closed as long as possible. We're teaching them by zoom. We're going to make them mask up. We're going to make them social distance. We're going to make them sit in those weird pods during band practice. And then on top of that, we had the LGBT insanity where they're gonna push trans lunacy in the classroom. They might transition. They might socially transition your kid at school. We had that guy, that lawyer in the LA school district where the teachers were fighting, the teachers union in LA was fighting so that they wouldn't have to be fired if they were negligent when your child got abused. They didn't have to be mandatory reporters for this sort of thing if they saw evidence of it, if they were being abused by a teacher in the school.

[Andrew]

These are the same lunatics that are

[Charlie Kirk]

Pushing things like in California, the trans sanctuary state, so that if you have

[Andrew]

a student and they run away and they go to California, you can't necessarily get them back. If you happen to be a parent in California and your kid transitions, they don't have to tell you. And by the way, if you are against that, then you could lose your child. This is like the mindset of these people. This is why this is so critical. Mission critical.

[Blake]

There's a line for, from the Jesuits, the Catholic order, because they ran a bunch of schools hundreds of years ago and they said like, if you give me the child to the age of, Give me a boy to the age of six and I will give you the man. And that's how the teachers unions are. They know they can control what your child is learning in the first grade, second grade. You're not paying too much attention. You think they're coloring, learning arithmetic and then they're coming out and they hate everything you care about because the people they're with more often than you are radically against everything you believe in.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I just want to show what this picture. Show the picture of the enrollment. So this got passed in 2022. Just to give you an idea of the demand that there is.

[Andrew]

So those three bars that you see there on the right, that was the law passed. Everybody gets a $7,500 credit if you

[Charlie Kirk]

want to send your kid to a private school.

[Andrew]

And look at that, look at the pent up demand that there was in one year. It's just incredible. And I think the bar goes even higher in the most recent year.

[Jenny Clark]

Yeah, it does. And this just shows how desperate families were for choices and for options for their kids. Listen, I grew up in Arizona. I was born and raised here. I went to public school here, kindergarten through 12th grade, and then on to the University of Arizona. Never did. I think that my kids might need something different than what I had in the public school system. But times have changed, values have changed. Nationally, when we look at the NAEP scores, the nation's report card, 26% or less of students are reading proficiently at grade level at fourth grade when they're tested. That's shocking. As I said before, that's a national security crisis. So many of these families, they come from all backgrounds, all political spectrums, all socioeconomic status. They're just trying to do what's best for their kids. And sometimes that's the public school, other times that's home education, micro schools, private schools, all these exciting new things that we have in Arizona. And that are now blossoming across the country. Families in states with ESA type programs now finally have access to do what's best for their kids. That's amazing. I think it's one of the greatest policy wins that we have seen in the United States in over two decades. It's really incredible.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got to meet the President too. We have this picture. I didn't even realize this when I

[Andrew]

was like, wait, you've met the, you've been in the Oval Office with the President?

[Rich Barris]

I've been in the Oval Office.

[Andrew]

Tell us about that and what you learned. Again, I want to nationalize this for the audience.

[Charlie Kirk]

So the local instruction is vote yes on. What is that?

[Jenny Clark]

The Military Family Protection act. If you're here in Arizona and then

[Charlie Kirk]

don't give your signature to the bad guys and then obviously vote for Andy Biggs. So if you're in Arizona, but like nationally, what did you learn when you went and sat with the President and the team about school choice? The priority that this admin is putting on it, Obviously we had the one big beautiful bill that had school choice in it.

[Jenny Clark]

I'll talk a little bit about that too. Yeah. So about a year ago I had just the amazing opportunity to have lunch with the President and some senators and governors from states that either have school choice programs or that are pushing school choice programs. Obviously the Donalds family, Byron and Erica were there, all of these amazing leaders across the country and, and everyone agreed, including our President, that school choice is one of the most important issues for our country. You talk about American reindustrialization, you talk about national security, any issue, school choice touches those issues. So at the time, the one big beautiful bill had not yet passed and we were all brainstorming what will it look like, what needs to happen, how will it get done. Had a great lunch. And then of course the President, just being the most amazing person that he is, invited all of us into the Oval for another hour. The President of the United States, you know, spending all of this time with just random constituents, it's just incredible. And we talked more about school choice. Of course now we do have this federal tax credit program currently in rulemaking. States have to opt in to that program. Of course Governor Hobbs has not opted in. She's planning to not opt into this in federal tax credit program that would be in addition to state ESA programs that President Trump and other leaders delivered.

[Blake]

It's just, it's such a great example because it really just gets at how much they despise you. It's essentially we will turn down Free money. Free money for parents to choose how to educate their child as they wish. And we're just going to spitefully reject it. This is such a big issue to me. It just you think about you lay it out. Do you want to have thousands of dollars for educating your child? And do you want it to be how the parent wants to use it? Or do you want it to be how a cancerous, parasitic blob that hates you and everything you believe in wants to use it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, this is what the commies want. The commies want the school system to look like a communist grocery store where

[Andrew]

everything is the same brand.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's no options. There's no choice.

[Andrew]

What we want is we want it to be. The choice is yours. You get to pick which brand, what ingredients, whatever. That is your choice as a parent. And the commies hate that because, again, it's their super pac. This is what keeps them in power. By the way, it's not just their super pac. They're the ballot chasers in the field. Like California. That's how Spencer Pratt lost. It's a teachers union going and collecting ballots. Tell people where to go to find

[Charlie Kirk]

your stuff and your school, all that stuff.

[Jenny Clark]

Absolutely. So you can Visit us at azlovesasasas.com loveyourschool.org that's my nonprofit. We help families one on one. You can also find us on X. And me personally, Clark Rimsa would love to have you guys give me a follow.

[Charlie Kirk]

Awesome. Love it.

[Andrew]

Thank you, Jenny. Clark, azloves.com check it out. Get behind this most important effort.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you so much.

[Andrew]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew]

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[Andrew]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew]

All right, Steve Dase, host of the Steve Dase show. And hold on. I want to get the book author of why Independence Day?

[Charlie Kirk]

Which is really important given that we just went through the Juneteenth stuff. Anyways, Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you.

[Steve Dase]

Good to see you guys. Thanks.

[Andrew]

All right, so Steve, this conversation is born out of a group chat that we were having.

[Charlie Kirk]

Text message chain.

[Andrew]

And we're talking, we were kind of theorizing that in some ways that, you know, this outcome could be very ideal. Right? Because let's talk about the alternatives. Right? And you are a guy, admittedly you're a Gen Xer. You were like, hey, there's a part of you that really wants to bomb the hell out of the Iranians. At least the regime, right. There's an instinct baked into you that is sort of like that. And yet you're looking at this deal and you're like, hey, actually this is pretty positive. And so explain kind of your thinking about it and why you have been more supportive than maybe some people might have anticipated.

[Steve Dase]

I think that we have to live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be. Right? And you know, the funny thing about war is the other side gets a say in how it turns out too. And so, you know, we're always going to reach this standstill. When we talked about this as it was kind of the drumbeats were leading into it. And I told you guys back then earlier this winter, I'm not for this. I detest the Iranian regime. But I we're going to come to a juncture where there's not really a way out. We don't want a regime change war. I don't think the president wants one. I know the American people don't. There might not be too many 8020 issues left in America. A regime change war. The opposition to it in the Middle East, I'm confident would be one of them. We can't afford it. The country doesn't want it. It would kill us politically. And that's assuming we could even do it. And we proved in Iran and Afghanistan, Iraq and Afghanistan were way better at deposing regimes than replacing them. And here we're dealing with way more complicated sectarian interests than you even were in Afghanistan and in Iraq. You've got the Kurds who want their own country. You have this. You have a large Shia public population. You have this. The young secularists that were, you know, going out in the streets and throngs and protesting this winter. You have two different large six figure standing armies. At least they were before we started Bombing them. You have the radical clerics. There's a lot of interest here right now. The Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are aligned in their disdain for the Iranian regime. But I cannot possibly believe, guys, that the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are going to agree on what should come next. And so who gets to determine that? I'm not even sure amongst themselves that all the Sunni Arab countries. Well, yeah, we want an El Sisi or Irwin, but we want our Erdogan, we want our lcc. There's, you know, this is a box of chocolates we cannot afford to open. I think the Iranian regime knew that they could just hang out and wait. And so we were always going to come to this juncture of they want to be, they want to be in Iran more than we wanted to be. So then what were we going to do? There's really only two options. There's only two options. Whenever they get out of line, we just bomb the hell out of them or we go back and do what Obama did. I resent, by the way, this idea that this is like the Obama deal. We've killed the first two strings of Iranian, of Iranian government officials. They're down to the third string here. Next are the walk ons. So Trump has taken his belt off and spanked the Iranian regime harder than any American president ever has. So already, guys, this is different than any other attempt to deal with the Iranians. They've never faced this level of corporal punishment from an American president before. Who will, who is willing, by virtue of what he's done before, I think demonstrated that he'll do it again if they get out of line. At some point, we have to face the reality of where we are domestically and come home and solve our own issues.

[Charlie Kirk]

I completely agree that the context is completely different than the jcpoa. The JCPOA was a weak leadership on the US Side that was begging and

[Andrew]

pleading and bribing so that they didn't

[Charlie Kirk]

have to do military conflict.

[Andrew]

And the Iranians read that like a book. They knew exactly the stakes and that they could play them like the suckers that they were. This is completely different because President Trump used force at the onset. You didn't have to like it, you don't have to love it, you could have been against it, whatever. But the mere fact that he's already shown he's willing to use force makes the two completely different. So now the credible threat of force is always on the table. And President Trump has been saying it. He's like, well, if they don't do it we'll just bomb them again. Let's keep bombing them. We'll blockade the strait again, and this time they will block it all the way to the point where those pumps stop working, and then you're really impacting the future viability of that regime and that country. So the point is, not only is it popular, the context is completely different. And you better believe that this negotiation is going to learn from the lessons of the jcpoa. So don't make those same mistakes. So I completely agree with you that this is nothing like the jcpoa, even if you end up getting nuclear inspectors. Okay? So there's going to be some things that are just. That's the way the world works. And who's going to inspect it? You got to have somebody inspect it. So maybe that makes your mind think, oh, this is JCPOA 2.0. No, it's not. You gotta. You know, and the fact that they're even getting creative about unfrozen assets being used to buy American produce to feed Iranian people as opposed to fund terror. These are good ideas and we should entertain them. Right?

[JD Vance]

I agree.

[Andrew]

I don't know if you have thoughts on any of that, Steve, but I get so irked by that. And last thing, this idea that J.D. vance is somehow looking weak in this. I totally disagree. I actually think he's looking like a

[Charlie Kirk]

rock star in this.

[Andrew]

I think his stock is rising. I think the polling shows that.

[Steve Dase]

I think. Let's do the latter first. I. I think some people are really hurting Marco Rubio, and, And I think Rubio is playing this all very smart. He knows that Trump's going to determine our nominee next time. He also knows that Trump's going to determine if we. If we even have a primary at all, whenever. If Trump could endorse someone right from the outset, there's no primary. Or, wait, let the primary play itself out and endorse someone when once there's, you know, they've been tested a little bit against their competitors. But ultimately, King Trump's going to determine who his successor is, like all kings get to. And I think Rubio understands this, which is why he's just doing his job. Well, he's doing 14 jobs right now. Right. The great meme that goes around, and he's kind of just focused on that. I think some people, and many of them are friends of mine and people that I agree with and broadly stand up with them against the anti Semitism infesting our ranks, but by kind of starting to try and have a shadow primary of 28 right now by saying, but like this weekend, they took this clip of Rubio from February and they tried to resurrect it. Like he just said this last week in the midst of the Iranian negotiations. I think that they're, they're labeling Rubio like he's Israel first. Like, that's the only reason you'd vote for Rubio over Vance in 28, is that he would cause more carnage in the Middle east than J.D. vance would. And that's exactly how you won't get Marco Rubio. 28. Not to mention, I don't know that King Trump will appreciate the fact that you think you're going to get him to nominate somebody for president who you think actually doesn't support even the very foreign policy that is Secretary of State he's charged with carrying out. The whole thing makes no sense at all. The other thing that doesn't make any sense to me at all is what these folks want us to do instead. And again, they're friends of mine. I keep asking, but I don't get any answers. So I'm like, okay, so you want us to keep. You don't like the deal. Right. Okay, so you want us to keep. And why don't you like the deal? Well, the Iranians won't keep any deal. I don't disagree. All right, so you want us to keep bombing him to get a better deal.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Steve Dase]

But you don't think they'll keep the deal. Correct. All right, so it sounds to me that then what you want is regime change. No, no, no. You're taking me out of context. Don't say that. So you want us to keep bombing to get a better deal that they won't keep, but you don't want regime change, but you want that. What, I'm confused. What is the alternative here that they want? It makes no sense to me. I don't understand. I want to understand. I don't.

[Blake]

And I love the. I kind of love the monarchical language here about it because it comes up so often. We saw where there was that quote that went viral a few days ago where allegedly they asked President Trump, are they going to remove the gold that you've kind of added around the White House? And supposedly he said there's no proof, but supposedly he said, well, Cubans love gold. And so they're, they're hanging on, oh, what did the King say that could hint at his intentions? And then on the other hand, the way there's been a lot of attacks on JD Vance for where he's been making the sell on the peace deal or the fact that he's doing it at all. And the blunt truth is he's the vice president who is selling a policy that the President chose. And they so collectively decide to ignore this act as though. J.D. vance, on this one issue is the president, and President Trump himself is out of the picture just so that they can attack him more. The whole thing has a very strange aspect to it. As though, yeah, like you said, President Trump is this constitutional monarch controlled by his different advisors. And if there's one thing we know about Trump, it's that he really does march to his own beat and he's not controlled by anyone.

[Andrew]

Yeah, and I like what you said, Steve.

[Charlie Kirk]

Steve.

[Andrew]

Cause a lot of the people that

[Charlie Kirk]

seem to oppose this deal are people

[Andrew]

that we stand shoulder to shoulder with

[Charlie Kirk]

when it comes to fighting anti Semitism. Right.

[Andrew]

It kind of is. Guys like us, we're in this, like,

[Charlie Kirk]

in between space sometimes where it's like,

[Andrew]

no, listen, we want peace. We don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, death to neocons.

[Andrew]

Okay?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, that's how I feel about it.

[Andrew]

But I also don't like antisemitism. So you're finding yourself with almost strange

[Charlie Kirk]

bedfellows, like swapping beds or something. I don't know what, it's just very strange.

[Andrew]

But, like, the times that we live

[Charlie Kirk]

in are very strange.

[Andrew]

And I think we're finding our groove here. But I will tell you, the peace proposal is widely popular. Why? Because Americans were not that supportive of

[Charlie Kirk]

the war in the beginning.

[Andrew]

Okay. What you're seeing is a referendum on the fact that we want peace. We deeply want to focus on domestic issues. So there's a lot going on here, Steve, and I just love the way you said it. And I wanna get into it more because I put out a tweet saying, what's the alternative? 50,000 ground troops? 100,000? Like, how much bombing? What are we gonna bomb? How many civilian death? And I actually got some good faith

[Charlie Kirk]

answers that I want to go through and I want to talk about that

[Andrew]

because none of the alternatives make any

[Charlie Kirk]

sense to me either.

[Andrew]

So, Steve, I asked this question. I said, those who oppose the deal

[Charlie Kirk]

should consider the realistic alternatives. How many ground troops would regime change actually require?

[Andrew]

50,000?

[Charlie Kirk]

100,000? Where would they be deployed?

[Andrew]

What would likely American casualties be? So I just asked a bunch of questions. Would it fall into a deadly civil war and sectarian message?

[Charlie Kirk]

How many migrants would the west be forced to absorb? And they say it's a fake choice that I'm Gaslighting.

[Andrew]

David Harsani says these aren't the choices, not even close. But even if we wanted to disengage

[Charlie Kirk]

from the war, we could leave it

[Andrew]

status quo, which would be better than a deal, not only not enriching and propping up the regime, but restraining Israel and Gulf states from fighting.

[Charlie Kirk]

So basically everybody in the comments disagrees with me that I'm presenting a false choice.

[Blake]

I think it is worth saying that there is a degree of false choice in that if we launch refugees we don't have, if we created a crisis, we would not have to let refugees into Europe or into America. But unfortunately, we've been around the block on this and, you know, some federal judge could require us to bring them in or just we lose an election and they said, throw it open. We have a million Iranian refugees, a million Kurds, a million Iraqis. Somehow Afghans get roped into this and, you know, why not half of Africa too?

[Andrew]

Yeah, so. And by the way, I'll read one

[Charlie Kirk]

more, Stephen, and I'll get your thoughts here, because people are engaging in good faith.

[Andrew]

This is Eli Steinberg. He said, happy to engage in this. The fact that every argument for the

[Charlie Kirk]

deal goes straight to regime change and boots on the ground when that's not

[Andrew]

what people like me are arguing for

[Charlie Kirk]

is the most distressing part of this.

[Andrew]

Why can't we have an actual argument

[Charlie Kirk]

about the deal on its actual merits? Why the need to light a field of straw men ablaze?

[Andrew]

So they're giving me a straw man arguments, but to your point, I play this out, I don't know what they want, then. I genuinely don't.

[Steve Dase]

David Harsanyi has been on my show numerous times over the years. Smart guy. Maybe I missed it and maybe I'm the one with the double digit iq. But he told you it was a false choice. Did he tell you what his other choice was? Did he tell you that in his answer? Because what you shared with me, what was the alternative? What was the alternative? So the alternative was not enriching the

[Andrew]

regime is his choice.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what he seems to be advocating for.

[Steve Dase]

All right, so we have to bomb him some more.

[Charlie Kirk]

Then he's saying he could leave it

[Andrew]

status quo, I guess, just keep the

[Charlie Kirk]

blockade going in perpetuity, which we.

[Steve Dase]

So, so we carpet bomb our domestic political situation and our own economy. Then you see what I, we're, we're back here over and over again. Which is why to me, you know what I loved? I loved Operation Midnight Hammer. Loved it. I, I love the idea of keeping these fools over there with their heads on a swivel, never knowing when we're coming. And. And no giant armada buildups, no huge signals to the. To the, you know, the global economic order. Get ready to screw the American people. Just in the dead of night, y' all wake up. And you know what? Oh, snap, that's gone. That's not there anymore. Anyway, back to normal order. Don't do it again. Yeah, we're going to come over. Just mow the lawn when you least expect it. How about opera? I'm for Operation Midnight Lug Nut. Operation Midnight Phillips Screw. Screwdriver. Just start naming tools. I mean, we can mow the lawn over there as many times as we need to in the dead of night. I'm all for it. And they. And that regime absolutely deserves it. And notice that we didn't do nearly the carpet bombing to our own domestic political capital and our own domestic economy when we did that last June compared to what this has done. So someone's getting bombed here, all right? We're either going to bomb them some more and continue to carpet bomb ourselves domestically and put our entire country on the line in these midterms over whatever we're trying to accomplish with this regime, which is not a regime change. Don't call it that. But even though that's really what everybody that's complaining wants. And, or, or we, or we. We come home and we start bombing our own domestic political situation. We. You know, I've used this analogy on my show, guys. I get a chance, thanks to organizations like tpusa, to get to speak all over the country quite frequently. Every time I'm on a plane, Right. They give you this, this little rejoinder at the beginning, you know, you know, in the. In the unlikely event that the plane may, you know, suffer something catastrophic or go down.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Steve Dase]

And your oxygen mask drops. What's the first thing they always tell you about your oxygen mask? Put yours on first. Yeah, put yours on first. Because if yours on, on, you are not in position to help out anybody else who can't get theirs.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Steve Dase]

We have to put our own oxygen mask on.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right?

[Steve Dase]

Our way of life by a centimeter from Trump's brain nearly died in this last election. I want everybody to stop and think about all the gay retardation you'd be watching Right now for America. 250. If that bullet is a centimeter closer to Trump's brain two summers ago in. In Butler, Pennsylvania. We have to solve our issues at home. And if we don't solve them here at home.

[Andrew]

We.

[Steve Dase]

We can't stand for any allies, let alone on our own. We have to, at some point expend our capital here at home.

[Blake]

100%. I love that you mentioned that. I saw something the other day. It was that image of where you can see the bullet going by President Trump's head. And one inch it says civil war, and the other says an entire summer spent arguing about the White House reflecting pool. But you're so correct.

[Steve Dase]

Exactly right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Yes, you're so correct. And this is such a concern of Charlie's that we know America has big vulnerabilities. We're still an immensely powerful, immensely rich country, but we have serious structural issues that need our focus. We need to. We need to repair our patriotism. We're a divided country, and one of the ways you heal that patriotism is you make it clear your government is focused on the home front. Improving the home front is not embarking on far off adventures that we can't afford because that divides your country.

[JD Vance]

Well.

[Andrew]

And this is this.

[Charlie Kirk]

This two polling graphs here from cbs.

[Andrew]

I've been thinking about it all morning.

[Charlie Kirk]

We played it earlier. The first one is 78% of Americans

[Andrew]

want to end the conflict now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, go to the next one.

[Andrew]

Has the U.S. permanently stopped Iran's nuclear program? Only 31% say yes, 69% no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not done. Okay.

[Andrew]

I just want to make the point that, yes, we do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. President Trump has made that extraordinarily clear. And yet the American people are so uninterested in that question that they still think that they're gonna pursue a nuclear weapon and they still want us to get out. That is, that is the way that a constitutional republic works with a representative democracy. Okay. They get a say. And to your point, you're either carpet bombing Iran or you're carpeting carpet bombing our political fortunes in this country. And I'm sorry, but Democrats are simply unacceptable at this point. They have proven they have rendered themselves. They are completely disqualified, let's just put it that way. Final minute and a half to you, Steve Dase.

[Steve Dase]

I love Israel. Israel is an ally. But all allies to me are cousins. My immediate family is my country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Steve Dase]

And so if your cousin wins the lottery, and you're very happy for them, except your spouse is sick and in the hospital, you're not sure when. When she's going to get out. And so you're happy for them, but your immediate family is your concern.

[Andrew]

Right?

[Steve Dase]

And that's where we are right now. We have to address our immediate concerns. And we are at an existential cliff as a country. We cannot afford to continue expending our political capital in Iran. And the alternative is, well, we need a better deal that they also then say Iran won't keep unless we keep threatening them militarily. At some point, we have to come home and start threatening Democrats politically.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. Well said, Steve Dase. Charlie loved having you on and I'm so glad that you still make the time for us, Steve, because I just think it's just great. You're a great thinker. You're super smart. And Charlie was. Was right to trust you and to believe in that and to see see that.

[Andrew]

And I see it, too.

[Charlie Kirk]

So does Blake, even though he's not as good at compliments as I am.

[Steve Dase]

Steve, thank you.

[Andrew]

Be well, my friend. Hopefully you had a great Father's Day.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was. That was phenomenal. Thank you.

[Rich Barris]

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