D (7:55)

President Trump in helping Israel eliminate the nuclear threat. If we need to provide bombs to Israel, provide bombs. If we need to fly planes with Israel, do joint operations. But here's the bigger question. Wouldn't the world be better off if the ayatollahs went away and replaced by something better, wouldn't Iran be better off? It's time to close the chapter on the Iranian Ayatollah and his henchmen. Let's close that chapter soon and start a new chapter in the Mid east, one of tolerance, hope and peace.

Charlie Kirk (8:24)

Okay, that sounds good, but that's pathologically insane. I'm sorry. It is how do you know it's going to be better? Yeah, the Ayatollah is awful, but maybe he's one of the few guys that can keep that country together and not have a 90 million person civil war. Lindsey Graham is so consistently out of his mind, it's hard to even comprehend. Iran is hugely diverse. It is a massive country. Do the people agitating for war even know that? Because, be clear, regime change is war. Just to understand regime change is not like changing the head coach at the Chicago Bears. It's not how it works. Oh, we're gonna bring a new head coach. I think that some people think that it's as easy in, like, sports terms. Oh, we're just. Okay, Nick Saban is gone. We're gonna go bring in the coach from University of Washington. Sorry, Andrew. Oh, okay. Mario Cristobal, left, the University of Oregon. We're going to go bring in Dan Lennon, which actually ended up being very good. Regime change, it doesn't work that way. It's not like a clean transfer. Typically in the Mideast, it's very messy, creates a quagmire. And then there is civil war. Do you understand how large Iran is? It's massive. It's a very big country. It's mountainous. It makes Afghanistan and Iraq look like a cakewalk. Just look at this beast of a country with all the different regions, all the different dialects. And then you have a major refugee concern of Mohammedans that will come to Europe and endanger more Christians and Jews and Mohammedans that will come to America. No, that is wrong. So that is one extreme. Now, Donald Trump rejects that and he says, no, no, no, I don't want regime change. He's never ran on regime change. He doesn't believe in regime change. He. He is resistant to that. But there is another extreme. There is another extreme. And I get the temptation to be in the other extreme. I actually agree with a lot of this other extreme. A lot. I think it's healthy to have this other extreme more than the neoconservative extreme, because this extreme has been underrepresented in the public dialogue and discourse the last 20 years. The other extreme is one that I have deep respect and reverence for, because I actually think if we had that other extreme, we. We would not have invaded Iraq. This other extreme is philosophically important. It's important to consider, and that's the Ron Paul extreme. And I love Ron Paul. Ron Paul is awesome. I would have Ron Paul on the show regularly. He is a hero. Because Ron Paul had the courage to challenge old sacred cows of the Republican Party. He made people defend the indefensible. But the Ron Paul perspective is strictly isolationist. He would say, who cares if oil goes to $140 a barrel? That's not our role. We don't need to police the Strait of Hormuz. It doesn't matter if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Kind of fortress America. Fortify it and let the rest of the world do what it wants to do. Sounds good, but it doesn't work as the American economy is actually largely dependent on an intertwined global trait. You don't have to like it. It's the way it is. I'm going to keep on building up these two extremes because President Donald Trump actually finds himself in the arithmetic mean and a very prudent middle to weigh both options. He is not an isolationist nor a neocon. He's an American patriot. Also, let me add on the Lindsey Graham side, bombing the oil field sounds good, right? Okay, you want Summer gas to go to $180 a barrel and to go to $7 a gallon? I don't think so. The Iranians have said they have a couple red lines. Taking out the Ayatollah and bombing their economy is probably one of them. Why refi.com, private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion? Why? Refi has been an amazing partner of us and it's only getting started. 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So on one side he's getting phone calls from Lindsey Graham. Mr. President, we need to invade Iran and liberate the mullahs. Wrong. Like that's just, that's a non starter. I'm sorry, George W. Bush. That was an administration ender for George W. Bush. And the more that we remind people about Iraq and Afghanistan, I actually think it allows us towards a healthy way of viewing what's happening in Iran. And then the other side, which is the online MAGA base, especially the younger megabase, is very against US involvement in Iran. And I understand it, I share it, I get it. I totally understand it. We've known nothing but quagmire, lies, deception, intel agencies that have spied on Trump, intel agencies that lied about weapons of mass destruction, intel agencies that misled us about Libya, intel agencies that led us about almost every single corner of the region. We took an online poll, 90% of our audience and 400,000 people voted were against the United States getting involved in a war in Iran. President Donald Trump has been saying this for nearly 10 years. Here's a montage of President Trump saying Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Play cut 315.

Donald Trump (15:54)

You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. You cannot let it happen because.

Charlie Kirk (16:01)

Bad.

Donald Trump (16:01)

Things will happen if that happens. But everybody stop. They were ready to make a deal. We would have made a deal that was great for everybody. No nuclear weapons. You can't give them nuclear weapons. Now. They can have a nuclear weapon, but I wanted to make a deal with them. No nuclear weapons. You can't have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are the single greatest threat to this world, to the whole world. And Victor Orban understands that and some others do too. I just didn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I said, you know, we're going to make a great deal, everybody's going to be happy, you're going to be rich as hell again. Everything's going to be great. But you cannot have a nuclear weapon. You can't let Iran have nuclear weapons. Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Very simple. They cannot have a nuclear weapon.

Charlie Kirk (16:42)

And that's just a short little taste of what he's been saying for 10 years. It's the man in the arena that counts. It's easy to lob criticisms, easy to say, oh, why is it you are even mobilizing the USS Nimitz and we have no idea how this is gonna work out. But I encourage you, as you view the next couple of days, to not view things overly ideological. In fact, we should resist ideological fervor, saying, oh, take out the oil fields. No one wants poverty for the Iranian people. You take out the oil fields, get ready for $180 a barrel, gas, a lot of Iranians starting to starve, and potentially an Iranian civil war. Take out the Ayatollah. Resist that temptation. That's not, that's not prudence, that's not self control. That's something else talking. That's a zeal. That very same zeal got us involved in a pile of garbage in Iraq. It all felt good. With shock and awe in March of 2003. We're unstoppable. We're going to take Iraq in a weekend. Turns out didn't work that way. A lot of people died. A lot of Americans died unnecessarily. And so President Donald Trump finds himself in the decision making chair. President Donald Trump 10 years ago said two things and he ran on it. Not just recently, but he ran on it for a decade. And both these things can simultaneously be true only thanks to the real politicians approach of President Donald Trump and the MAGA agenda, a book that I wrote. These two things he said, 10 years. Iraq war was a bloody catastrophe and a disaster and it will never happen again. And Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon. Only President Donald Trump can hold both those things in his hands. Only President Trump with prudence and practicality and wisdom is able to weigh them both. Thread the needle and walk the tightrope. President Donald Trump is a man made for this Moment and we should trust him. The world is waking up to the power of gold. National banks are scrambling to secure it. According to the World Gold Council, central banks added 1,000 tons of gold in 2024, the third straight year of net gold buying. They understand what many investors don't. Gold is real money. Unlike paper currency, gold's value doesn't disappear with inflation, reckless government spending or market crashes. Now Noble Gold Investments makes it easy for you to claim your share as our new administration works to reverse the economic chaos of the past. Market swings are inevitable when uncertainty rises. You need something solid, something to keep you on the path to financial freedom. Gold can be that foundation. And right now, when you make a quick qualified investment, Noble Gold will send you a free 10th ounce of a cold coin. Visit noblegoldinvestments.com that's noblegoldinvestments.com the world is turning to gold. Shouldn't you be looking into doing that too? We have with us a great man from Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who is the liaison between the House and the Senate for the big beautiful bill. We're also going to ask about Israel and Iran as well. Senator, great to see you.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (20:04)

Hey Jerry, how you doing brother?

Charlie Kirk (20:05)

I'm doing great. First on the Iranian news, what is your analysis of what is happening, what is going on Iranian nuclear program and what is your thoughts on how Israel's been handling and brokering this war?

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (20:19)

Well, I think, I think it's interesting. First of all, let's take on the President's posture here. I want you to understand what you brought up, Nimitz, repositioning the President's posture. Here is the one word we need to take away is deterrence. The President is trying to prevent an all out war by deterrence peace through strength, which I think is very important here. As far as Israel, I think Israel is, is doing everybody in that entire region. I don't care if you're Egypt or your, your Qatar or your Kuwait, Iraq, uae, Saudi Arabia. I don't care who you are. If you're in that region. You do not want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon because they, they will, they will kick off a nuclear war if they have it. So Israel's doing them a favor by taking a fight to them. And, and I think they're doing a great job if, and it's systematically too right. So you think about it that the Iranians have, have not really committed troops for quite some time and the last time they did was in Iraq and it ended horribly for them. So they fight proxy wars and they fight proxy wars with Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah. And over the last year and a half, I mean, literally, Israel has decimated every one of them. And then they took out their air defense, which Israel now controls, the air defense over Iran, showing that they were just simply loud mouths, not able to back up anything. People worried about a full scale war. It'd be nearly impossible for the Iranian regime to actually be able to put troops into Israel. Now they can fight a covert war, which they are. They're shooting missiles, which they are. I believe that you're going to see a lot more terrorist style activity happening in Israel, God forbid. But what President Trump is, or President Trump has done here is he's positioning assets by warning Iran because there has been some credible information that they would like to hit, hit the United States because they feel like that we are supporting Israel, which we are. But, but at the same time, they don't want to draw us into the fight. And what we're doing is we're positioning ourselves so they don't draw us in a fight. And so I think Trump is handling this, President Trump is handling this very well. And Israelis are doing the Lord's work here by literally kicking the snake's head into the dirt.

Charlie Kirk (22:49)

And so what do you have to say for some people, and I share some of this concern that, that we do not want regime change. Is there something short of regime change, of getting rid of the nuclear program and not potentially destabilizing the country that could result in a civil war? I'm basically asking, in your estimation, Senator, what do you think victory looks like?

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (23:07)

We are absolutely not talking about regime change. The President hasn't talked about it. We are not. This is not Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State having Arab Spring. That is not what we're trying to do here. President Trump has made it extremely clear that he would love to have diplomatic relationships. He've even talked about trade with Iran. However, they will never be able to have a nuclear weapon. So what victory looks like is their inability to ever have a nuclear weapon or inability that we never want them to have a nuclear weapon. So when we can knock out their infrastructure and prevent that from ever happening, that is victory. And this is what prevents a forever war. By the way, when you don't know what victory looks like, if you can't define victory, that's how you have a forever war. So I'd go back and use the argument in Afghanistan, after we took out Osama bin Laden, we should have left. We shouldn't have dragged that on. And I think a lot of guys that fought there would feel the same. And so if you can define victory before it starts, which that's what President Trump has said. We will never allow you to have a nuclear weapon ever. Full stop. We knock out their infrastructure. We're done. As far as regime change, that's not on us. That's on the people of Iran to figure out what they want to do themselves. That's not our, that's not our, our fault, our fight, or our problem.

Charlie Kirk (24:34)

Yeah. And look, J.D. vance made a really important point. President Trump has been remarkably consistent about Iran not having a nuclear weapon. Ten years ago yesterday, Senator Mullen, President Trump, businessman Trump came down the escalator and a little buried nugget in his speech was I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. This was 10 years ago. He talked about the border, he talked about an invasion, he talked about trade, he talked about how we don't win anymore. But let's play cut 303. The consistency 10 years later, it's really something. Play cut 303.

Donald Trump (25:15)

I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And we won't be using a man like Secretary Kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who's making a horrible and laughable deal, who's just being tapped along as, as they make weapons right now.

Charlie Kirk (25:36)

Senator, that was 10 years ago. This is a through line of the MAGA movement. Thoughts?

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (25:41)

Well, that's what I think. You said it right, Charlie. President Trump has been very consistent. He has made it very clear we will not allow you to have a nuclear weapon, full stop. And that's what this fight is all about. Unfortunately, the Biden administration did not keep the Trump administration policies in place on anything, which is why you had a disastrous withdrawal out of Afghanistan. We had disastrous foreign policies all over the country. That's why the Ukraine war started. That's why, you know, we, we, we had destabilization around the world and aggressive China because they got away from it. But you also had an aggressive Iran.

Charlie Kirk (26:14)

Who.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (26:17)

Aggressively sought a nuclear weapon. President Trump, by the time he got in, unfortunately, diplomacy wasn't working. President Trump said in April that they have 60 days. They have 60 days. And I think it was April 12 that they had 60 days to negotiate doing away with their nuclear program. And by the way, at midnight on the 60th day, going in the 61st day is when the airstrikes from Israel started. So he doesn't bluff. Once he puts a red line out, he makes that red line very Clear and decisive, and he backs it up.

Charlie Kirk (26:57)

And so. And so, Senator, and for people that I represent in my generation, I share a lot of this. We're very weary of Long Quagmire's Iraq war, but President Trump has a different philosophy here. He wants violent, precise action. He wants to. He does not allow a publicly stated line to not have fulfillment. And what is the profundity and the significance of that when it comes to foreign policy?

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (27:26)

People know where he stands. It's clarity. He's made his point clear, clear in his position, and he's backing it up by repositioning our assets, by deterrence. He is not wanting to fight a war, but he is showing that he's prepared to fight if he must. But he's. At the same time, he's been through this whole bombing campaign, too. He said he's been saying, I wish Iran would have came to the table. I wish they would talk. We're still willing to talk, but you're going to have to come to, to our terms. We're not negotiating on your terms. He has been consistent through this, through this entire situation. And that hasn't changed when world leaders know that they can trust what you say. And you're also backing it up with Reagan foreign policy. Peace through strength. It gets people's attention. And there is nobody better than this. And by the way, there's nobody that wants peace more than President Trump as well. And you can achieve both by showing strength and having straight talk.

Charlie Kirk (28:31)

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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (29:41)

Well, they're fluid and the President is very, very involved in this, Charlie. What we don't want to do is get in the ping pong back and forth where the House sends, where we send this back, the House, the House amends, it sends it back to us and we end up going in to, to conference. And that would take weeks if not months to negotiate. What we're trying to do is work all the problems out now, like with salt, with the debt limit, with Medicare and Medicaid. When we start talking about some debt limit increase, that is a very sticky subject for some because there's a lot of people in both chambers that doesn't want to put debt limit increase in this. But understand that if we don't do this, this is a leverage point for the Democrats because we will have to raise our debt limit. If we don't raise our debt limit, then we default. And this is what I said on multiple places. Not raising our debt limit is like not getting a business loan when you're buying a felon business. You can have a business plan to make it profitable, but doesn't mean you're going to make it profitable the first day. That's why you have a business loan. I feel like if we follow Trump's economic plan, we raise a debt limit now, there's a good chance that we can be, that we can balance a budget in three years and this might get us to three years depending on how much growth we have. $4.5 trillion, huge debt increase, I get that. But we have to do it to get out of this problem. As President Trump said, he didn't create this problem, he inherited it. It's on us to fix it and we've got to try fixing it. And this, this bill moves us that way. But I think the probably two sticky points is the debt or the debt limit increase. Well, three, debt limit increase, deficit reduction and salt. And salt could be the poison pill here if we don't get it right.

Charlie Kirk (31:31)

And so, and yeah, so we can't allow a poison pill like. Senator, you're from Oklahoma. Oklahoma is well run. Governor Stitt is great. You know that I visited Oklahoma State University. You guys, I think balance your budget or get close to it, an approximation of it. You know, you guys are, have a great tax policy. I don't understand what is the argument from Republicans for salt other than they want to bring goodies home? They are subsidizing JB Pritzker and Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul. I know you got to be the negotiator. I know you got to try to make a deal happen on salt. But I got to be honest. It is a penalty for well run red states.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (32:07)

Sure. So first of all, every state in the union is supposed to pass a balanced budget. They're not allowed to carry debt. United States. That's why I say if, if we would actually bring on bring back line item appropriations where we had to appropriate every single dollar dollar instead of bundling dollars like states do, we could actually probably balance our budget. Because what Doge is doing is, is just exactly what states do every day. And is they they line item every single penny that is spent. Since we don't we bundle. You have wasteful spending that Doge is exposing. So get back to salt. Here's the problem with this is we have a very slim majority in and the in the House. Obviously we do in the Senate too. And there's five representatives that this is their big issue. And without their support, this bill doesn't pass.

Charlie Kirk (32:59)

No, I get that. I, I'm not minimizing that.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (33:02)

Yeah.

Charlie Kirk (33:02)

Yep.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (33:02)

So that there's that negotiation that they are they. It's what our founding fathers wanted. Right. They wanted people to represent their backyard. And I agree State of Oklahoma should not be subsidizing New York and California because they have high property taxes and poor leadership in their state. However, that's where we're at. Used to SALT was, you know, you could deduct all your, your, your property tax and you get a full deduction on it. We cut that down to $10,000. Your maximum was $10,000 that you couldn't, you couldn't claim more than $10,000 in these communities, which is the average household pays about 7,000amonth or 7,000 a year in property tax. That's across the United States that obviously in these blue ran states your property tax is much, much higher. What we're negotiating right now is like how can we get there? This, this the House Bill put in $40,000 as a cap that you can which is an astronomical amount for states that for people that live in blue states, you're like what are red states? You're like, well what you're paying $40,000 in property tax. That's crazy. But in New York that's actually pretty common because once again, they have a very poor ranch state and they spend way more money than what they should be. So they put it on property owners backs. What we're negotiating right now is saying, okay, we're going to have to do something. It's at 40,000 at the on the house, their numbers, 40,000. But what if we cap it? What if we just cap it for those that need the benefit the most? That's your teachers, your first responders, your factory workers, your line workers. I mean, lower income individuals.

Charlie Kirk (34:46)

Thank you, Senator Mullen. Got to go.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen (34:48)

Great.

Charlie Kirk (34:48)

Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

Donald Trump (34:56)

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