President Trump's Peace Conditions

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — President Trump's Peace Conditions

Date: March 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show explores the unfolding possibility of a peace deal between the U.S. and Iran under President Trump. Charlie and co-hosts break down Trump’s “doctrine of unpredictability,” discuss the details and speculation around a supposed “present” from Iran, and unpack the reported 15-point peace plan. The conversation also shifts to recent domestic debates on the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) funding, the SAVE Act, and broader cultural issues, including campus conservative activism, masculinity, and political identity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump's Doctrine of Unpredictability and the Iran Deal (01:15 – 09:06)

• Uncertainty Over the Deal:
  The hosts discuss mixed signals about a U.S.–Iran deal—officials in both nations contradict one another, fueling speculation.

  • Charlie Kirk: “President Trump says it is. Iranian officials deny it.” (01:15)

• Trump’s “Present” from Iran:
  Trump claims Iran sent a valuable “present” related to oil and gas—a “significant prize”—but details and motives remain murky.

  • President Trump (clip): “They gave us a presentation and the president arrived today, and it was a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money… It was oil and gas related.” (02:17)

• Doctrine of Unpredictability:
  Panelists dissect Trump’s high-stakes, opaque negotiation posture—always “on the brink of a deal but ready to go maximally hard.”

  • Co-host: “It’s Trump's strategy of the doctrine of unpredictability.” (01:44)

• Skepticism Toward Media Narratives:
  Initial media denial shifts with emerging evidence of U.S.–Iran outreach, highlighting media hesitance to credit Trump.

  • Co-host: “Legacy media was forced to walk back those claims.” (03:28)

2. War Dynamics and Details of the Peace Plan (05:02 – 09:06)

• Trump’s Assessment of Iran’s Military:
  Trump asserts that Iran’s military and infrastructure are in ruins after U.S. action: “their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone.”

  • Trump (clip): “Most of their missiles are gone. We shot, either shot them or they shot them and don’t have them anymore.” (05:02)

• Shifting Tone Toward Optimism:
  Charlie notes a recently positive tone among U.S. officials and in oil markets, suggesting a deal could be near.

  • Charlie Kirk: “There’s a note of positivity… Oil markets have edged down, which is a good sign.” (06:10)

• Reported 15-Point Peace Plan:
  Co-hosts outline the likely components being negotiated, drawing from multiple news sources:

  • 30-day ceasefire
  • Dismantling Iran’s nuclear facilities (Fordo, Isfahan, Natanz)
  • Permanent Iranian commitment against nuclear weapons (points 1–3)
  • Reopening the Strait of Hormuz
  • End to Iranian support of proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis)
  • Possibility of U.S. assistance for civilian nuclear power in Iran
  • Iran’s counter-proposal: control of the Strait of Hormuz
  • Co-host: “There's reporting... that would include a 30-day ceasefire, dismantling of Iran’s nuclear facilities at Fordo, Isfahan, Natanz. Permanent commitment from Iran to never develop nuclear capabilities.” (07:13)

3. Domestic Politics: DHS & Immigration Debate (09:06 – 16:12)

• DHS Funding Showdown:
  Republican leaders accuse Democrats of protecting criminal illegal aliens by blocking DHS funding, focusing on the aftermath of Sheridan Gorman’s murder in Chicago.

  • Tom Emmer (clip): "Democrats want to return America to the days of the Biden border crisis, but that's not going to happen." (10:23)

• Defunding Immigration Enforcement:
  Hosts argue Democratic calls to defund HSI/ICE equate to de facto open borders.

  • Co-host: “When you’re defunding Homeland Security investigations… the policy intent… is make it so anyone in the world can come to America.” (11:29)

• Progressive District Attorneys’ Stance:
  Criticism of DA Larry Krasner (Philly) for his attitude toward ICE—accused of prioritizing criminals over citizen safety.

• Media & Language on Immigration:
  Discussion on student newspaper apologies for using “illegal immigrant” in context of a murder case, with hosts decrying what they see as cultural irrationality.

4. Congressional Conversation – Rep. Chip Roy Interview (17:40 – 35:58)

• TSA Waitlines as Leverage:
  Rep. Chip Roy discusses record TSA delays during the government shutdown, blaming Democrats for holding the process “hostage.” (17:40)

• SAVE America Act and Voter Integrity:
  Roy details efforts to require proof of citizenship for voting, noting support from Elon Musk and bipartisan grassroots momentum.

  • Chip Roy: “When a guy like Elon looks at the data… and says, this is existential, you should probably take his word for that.” (23:30)

• Three Strikes Rule & Crime Policy:
  Roy introduces his “Career Criminal Accountability Act” to toughen sentencing on repeat violent offenders, recounting the resurgence of crime due to “watering down” of sentencing laws and cashless bail.

  • Chip Roy: “We now have increased crime... 220 Houstonians who were murdered by multiple time felons who have been in and out and in and out of jail and being arrested and let free by judges.” (29:28)

• Death Penalty and Law Enforcement:
  Roy affirms the importance of capital punishment for heinous crimes and asserts the need for strong action against criminal activism and organized groups “trying to Islamify Texas.”

  • Chip Roy: “I’m in favor of capital punishment for our worst offenders... Texas is not going to become an Islamic state. Texas is going to be safe and secure.” (34:29)

5. Campus Conservatism & Cultural Commentary (37:34 – 53:26)

• Student Activism at University of Wyoming:
  Interview with Gabe Saint, President of the TPUSA chapter.

  • Wyoming: ‘deepest red state’ but campus is more hostile to conservatives.
  • After controversial moments, the chapter grew, even comprising 25% of the student body at one event (39:19).
  • State-level tension: “Our Supreme Court just made abortion legal up until birth.” (40:07)
  • Campus reactions to national events: Op-eds openly calling for violence against conservatives following the assassination attempt.

• Younger Conservative Tensions:
  Students have difficulty defending ongoing U.S. involvement in Iran; skepticism abounds due to America’s history in the Middle East.

  • Gabe Saint: “We've just gotten nothing but trillions of dollars in debt, dead soldiers, soldiers that come back with PTSD… We haven't gotten any oil.” (42:58)

• Debates about Masculinity & Gender Roles:
  Discussion over campus climate and the “simpery” among young men. Consensus that men should bear responsibility and leadership, but divide exists between the sexes, even among conservatives.

  • Co-host: “Men are like trucks… you need to be loaded up with responsibility.” (48:27)

• Cultural Phenomenon of “Simps” and “Trad Wives”:
  Gabe Saint: “A lot of the young men question whether it’s worth it [marriage]. And the young women, they expect like their men in a weird way to be simps.” (49:21)

6. DEI, Identity Politics, and Candidate Endorsements (54:49 – 63:42)

• California Gubernatorial Debate Canceled Over All-White Candidate Field:
  Critique of left-wing obsession with diversity at the expense of excellence and other values.

  • Alex Marlowe (Breitbart): “If you don’t have brown skin, or you’re not LGBTQ… then you should not be in a position of power in this country.” (56:20)

• Charlie’s Classic DEI Challenge:

  • Charlie Kirk (clip): “Show me one institution that got better, the more it embraced DEI… It doesn’t exist. DEI will destroy an institution from within.” (58:05)

• Texas Senate Race – Endorsements and Electability:
  Discussion about why Trump may support Ken Paxton over John Cornyn, describing Paxton as a “true fighter” and Cornyn as part of the out-of-touch GOP establishment.

7. Iran, Troop Movements, and War Politics (65:54 – 72:53)

• “Ground Invasion” Chatter and Public Wariness:
  Daily Mail reports U.S. troop buildup near Iran as Iran rejects Trump’s 15-point plan. Concern grows that, unlike Trump’s previous military posturing, this time may involve actual ground troops.

  • Alex Marlowe: “If he’s building up ground troops, don’t doubt him. He’s clearly willing to use them if he’s building them up.” (68:46)

• Political Risks and Polling:
  AP polling shows the war is deeply unpopular—even with some Trump voters—posing a risk to his “peace president” brand, especially among Gen Z.

  • Alex Marlowe: “Most Americans are saying the military action against Iran has gone too far already… and that’s pre–any boots on the ground.” (70:06)

• Advice for Defending the Trump Doctrine:

  • Alex Marlowe: “Nuclear war is a legitimate threat… Trump really does not want to be a wartime president. He wants to be a peace president. He’s earned a lot of trust in this regard… He wants to wrap this thing up and get us back to building and prospering.” (71:39)
  • Charlie Kirk: “President Trump is very clear-eyed and open to this getting wrapped up very, very quickly. He understands the political dynamics, the economic dynamics and he wants to nation build here at home.” (72:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Trump on Iran’s military state:
  “Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their communications are gone. That’s the biggest problem… Pretty much everything they have is gone.”
  — President Trump (05:02)

• On Democrat border policy:
  “The illegal alien who killed Sheridan Gorman is exactly who Democrats are fighting to protect with their needless shutdown.”
  — Tom Emmer (10:23)

• On DEI’s impact:
  “Show me one institution that got better, the more it embraced DEI… It does not exist.”
  — Charlie Kirk (58:05)

• On campus gender dynamics:
  “A lot of the young men question whether it's worth it [marriage]. And the young women, they expect their men in a weird way to be simps.”
  — Gabe Saint (49:21)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 01:15 — Introduction of Iran peace deal rumors, Trump’s unpredictability
• 02:17 — Trump’s “present” from Iran (oil and gas related)
• 03:57 — Media reactions and corroboration of deal negotiations
• 05:02 — Trump’s assessment: Iran’s military “gone”; war status
• 07:13 — 15-point peace plan rundown (Iran negotiations)
• 09:06 — Discussion pivots to DHS funding, Sheridan Gorman’s murder
• 17:40 — Interview with Rep. Chip Roy: shutdown effects, SAVE Act, three-strikes crime bill
• 37:34 — Campus segment with Gabe Saint, University of Wyoming TPUSA
• 42:58 — Young conservatives’ skepticism of Iran war
• 54:49 — Cultural/diversity critique, DEI discussion with Alex Marlowe
• 65:54 — Reports of impending ground invasion, public polling, Iran war’s unpopularity
• 71:39 — Advice for defending administration policy on Iran

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Conclusion

This episode offers a comprehensive, unapologetically conservative look at the current state of U.S.–Iran negotiations, U.S. domestic political contests, and young conservative activism. The hosts maintain an urgent, occasionally combative tone, expressing both optimism over the U.S. position abroad and frustration with progressive domestic agendas. The show closes with a warning about the political risks of escalating conflict with Iran and emphasizes Trump’s desire for quick resolution and renewed American prosperity.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is March 25th, 2026. Welcome, Blake.

[C]

Howdy.

[B]

So the topic at the lead here of our show is to make a deal or not make a deal. It seems to be something of a mystery whether or not one was even taking place. President Trump says it is. Iranian officials deny it. But I think we've.

[D]

We're in a permanent state of maximum excitement. We're maximally open to a deal. We're always on the brink of a deal, and yet we're also permanently ready to go maximally hard. It's like, listen, it's gotta be Trump's.

[B]

This is what they're calling Trump's strategy of the doctrine of unpredictability. And, you know, it's kind of the point. I think it's kind of the point. So let's. What are the deal parameters? And let's get to the clip that is kind of split, spurring a lot of this discussion. This was a wild moment from yesterday. It happened after our show wrapped yesterday. And President Trump hints that. Well, he doesn't hint. He says directly that Iran sent him a present. And it has a lot of people speculating what that present could be. Sat 13.

[E]

They're gonna make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually. They gave us a presentation and the president arrived today, and it was a very big president, worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that president is, but it was a very significant prize, and they gave it to us, and they said they were going to Give it. So that meant one thing to me. We're dealing with the right people.

[F]

Was that nuclear related?

[E]

No, it wasn't nuclear related. It was oil and gas related. And it was a very nice thing they did. But what it showed me is that we're dealing with the right people.

[D]

It's so funny how he phrases that, because the description, even though your mind goes to, you know, it's President Trump, so you picture him getting, like, a giant medallion he could hang in, you know, the Oval Office or something. But the implication I got is it could even be. It could be something more abstract, like, worth a tremendous amount of money. Oil and gas related? Well, we already saw the damage. We saw the damage, for example, when Iran lobbed those missiles at that gas facility in Qatar. Maybe they got evidence that an attack on a similar target got called off or got blocked.

[B]

It could be anything. It could be straight a Hormuz. It could be Carg Island. It could be that. It could be a number of things. Trump's not giving us any details, but what was interesting about the way this played out yesterday was that the other legacy media outlets were denying Trump's claim that there is. We're not getting any reports from Iranian sources that there is actually a peace deal in negotiation. And then eventually, the legacy media was forced to walk back those claims. Sat 21.

[C]

We're now learning from a senior Iranian source that there has been an outreach between the US And Iran.

[G]

The source tells CNN that this was initiated by Washington.

[B]

All right, so CNN's only point of differentiation here is that Washington reached out to Iran first. President Trump says, oh, they're desperate for a deal. And so it remains unclear. Then there was this whole story that Iran did not want to work with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff. They only wanted to work with J.D. vance. Now, J.D. vance and the White House are denying those claims, calling it foreign disinformation. So take from that what you will, but it remains that it does look like, you know, based on President Trump's earlier warning, he gave them five days or he was going to start striking their energy facilities, their oil and gas infrastructure. He says he's got four days left and that they want to make a deal. We'll see. Yeah. Let's play another clip from President Trump. So to give more flavor here,

[F]

I

[E]

can tell you they'd like to make a deal. And who wouldn't if you were there? Look, their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their communications are gone. That's the biggest problem. It's Very hard to communicate them between themselves. All of the anti aircraft is gone. Most of their missiles are gone. We shot, either shot them or they shot them and don't have them anymore. They're down to a trickle. They're pretty much everything they have is gone. I don't know, can you name one thing that's not gone or can you name one thing that's doing well? You know, if you read the papers, you think we're tied, you think we're in a tough battle, we are roaming free over Tehran.

[D]

It is really, it does drive that point home. I saw a good comparison. It's like imagine we were in a war with China and three weeks in, the President was dead, the Vice President was dead, A bunch of Congress was dead, a bunch of the generals were dead. No one knows who's in charge of the U.S. military. All of our boats sank, all of our planes blew up. They can fly wherever they want. Everyone's terrified of where a drone would strike. But we did close the Panama canal and maybe 20 Chinese are dead. And who would you say is winning in that arrangement?

[B]

Well, it's interesting because I gave you guys a note of warning. There was a strike in Israel from Iran near a nuclear facility there that was a warning. There was also reports potentially that Iran had stockpiles that were not previously known of even more advanced missile stock. I have been calling around a lot of sources on this and I will tell you, just as somebody that's an objective observer of this situation, the tone behind the scenes seems to have lifted. I'm hearing a lot more positivity about the potential outcome of this war. Speaker Johnson is now saying he thinks Operation Epic Fury is about to get wrapped up this week. I don't know, maybe that's wishful thinking, maybe that's glass half full, rose colored glasses. But I will tell you just the tone of people that I'm speaking to has shifted. There is a note of positivity. Oil markets have edged down, which is a good sign. And if we can get a 15 point plan over the finish line, that would be good.

[D]

That's what's going on right now. Reportedly a 15 point plan was sent by the US through whatever I think through Pakistan, Pakistan, whoever in Iran we are currently negotiating with. And we don't have the list of the 15 points, but there's reporting from the New York Times, from Al Jazeera and others on what it probably includes. That would include a initial 30 day ceasefire, dismantling of Iran's existing nuclear facilities at Fordo Isfahan, Natanz. A permanent, we're demanding a permanent commitment from Iran to never develop any nuclear

[B]

capabilities, which President Trump has said over and over. They've already agreed. Trump has said they've already agreed to that.

[D]

Reopening the Strait of Hormuz. An end. This was a big one. An end of Iran supporting these military proxies across the Middle East. That's like Hezbollah in Lebanon, that's the Houthis in Yemen. Those have constantly been this kind of soar that's caused tensions and problems all over the place. I mean, we have separately from the Iran war. There is a war going on in Lebanon right now that has killed as many if not more people than the one in Iran. And that's because of Hezbollah existing in southern Lebanon. And so they have similar demands. And they. We even agreed apparently that we would have a US Support for electricity generation at a civil nuclear plant if they're really insisting they need some sort of nuclear power. So far, Iran's propaganda has said they're rejecting all of this and instead they have their own five point plan, which would include that we give them control of the Strait of Hormuz.

[B]

Permanently legal right to do.

[D]

I think we're unlikely to make that agreement.

[B]

Yeah, they've got no cards on that. I don't think they have some cards, but they don't have a lot of cards. But yeah, listen, and by the way, President Trump has said that point 1, 2 and 3 of his 15 point plan is no nuclear weapons.

[D]

And it's Trump. So you can imagine 1, 2 and 3 all just literally Iran will have no nuclear weapons.

[B]

But listen, there, I, I'm just, I'm calling balls and strikes here. I'm telling you, the tone has shifted with many people that were very negative just a few days ago, there seems to be a sense of optimism. Let's hope that that holds. Let's hope that this ends quickly. All right, I want to pivot our attention to what's happening with this DHS funding fight because it's all happening upon the backdrop of the Sheridan Gorman killing in Chicago. Right. So you have DHS to defend and protect the homeland. One of those jobs is, yes, deport illegal aliens, deport criminals. Some of that is FEMA funding, some of that is tsa, A lot of these different agencies. DHS is huge. And now you got Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who's just been sworn in. Congratulations to Secretary Mullen. He's been a friend of the show and been on many, many times. And so I think he's the perfect guy for the job. We had Tom Homan on yesterday saying that he was the perfect guy at the perfect time. So let's hope that his tenure is a successful one. But listen, I don't typically play clips from Tom Emmer. I got some history and scar tissue just from some of that stuff. But he did say this very well here. And so I'm gonna give the man his due. Cut 12.

[C]

The illegal alien who killed Sheridan Gorman is exactly who Democrats are fighting to protect with their needless shutdown of the

[G]

Department of Homeland Security.

[C]

Their absurd list of demands paints a clear picture. Open borders, limited deportations, and violent illegal aliens roaming free. Democrats want to return America to the days of the Biden border crisis, but that's not going to happen. We're not going to go back. This week, the House is going to

[G]

vote once again to fund all of dhs.

[C]

We will vote to end this shutdown, pay the frontline heroes, Border Patrol, TSA and the Coast Guard, and put the security of our nation first. But Democrats will continue to obstruct. Why? Because they'd rather protect violent illegal aliens over the American people.

[B]

I mean, and that's really what it comes down to. They want to protect illegal aliens. I don't know why. Now, their newest demand is that they want to remove funding from hsi, which is the investigative arm of Homeland Security.

[D]

It's exactly as we said yesterday. Which is the problem with talking about so much of the left is when you honestly describe their policies, you sound insane, because it is unfathomably deranged and evil. But when you're defunding Homeland Security investigations, when you're defunding ice, the policy intent of this is make it so anyone in the world can come to America and it is impossible for them to be taken out. They'll say, oh, we want the worst offenders to be deported. But they do not believe it. They are lying.

[B]

You obviously don't want that. If you want to defund hsi.

[D]

Yeah, if you're defunding that. If you want, if you're going to make it. It's like when they say, we know voter fraud doesn't exist, so we're never ever going to investigate it or indict anyone or look at it, total see no evil. Because if these people are showing up at the border and you're going to let them in, and then if they blow off their hearing, you're going to. You're not going to find them, you're not going to have any ICE agents to make the arrest and ship them back. You're going to bar agents from even going to courtrooms and prisons to pick up the ones who get caught committing crimes. Your position is anyone, especially criminals, has the right to come to the United States and stay here forever.

[B]

Well, what's interesting is we have this clip from none other than Hakeem Jeffries in 2015 talking about plain politics. With DHS funding SOP4, we are here today to do a single job, and that should be to fund fully the Department of Homeland Security. Anything else is an abdication of our responsibility. Anything else is an act of legislative malpractice simply because of the inability of my friends on the other side of the aisle to satisfy the thirst of the extreme right wing, anti immigration base of the party. And so we're playing political games at a time when the safety and the security of the American people is being threatened. Ah, well, that's a far cry from the modern Democrat Party. Let's go ahead and play. This is Philly DA Larry Krasner. Soros funded Larry Krasner. He is now threatening to arrest ICE agents if they come to his airport to help, you know, lessen the security lines. Sat 9.

[G]

This is how it works. You commit crimes within the jurisdiction that is the city and county of Philadelphia. I prosecute you. That is how it works. No, I don't take a phone call from the president saying, let him go. No, the president cannot pardon you.

[B]

I'll say it again.

[G]

The president cannot pardon you. And yes, I will put you in handcuffs and I will put you in a courtroom, and if necessary, I will

[B]

put you in a jail cell. It's infuriating. They treat ICE agents like they are the Gestapo. That's why they describe them like the Gestapo. This is the same Krasner, by the way, who was promising to hunt down ICE agents like Nazis a couple months ago.

[D]

It's just despicable. He is a man who loves criminals. He supports criminals. He celebrates when criminals are able to kill Americans, period.

[B]

Yeah, that's what's hilarious. He's. His comment is that he's saying, I hunt down criminals and I prosecute criminals. Well, no, you don'. Larry Krasner. No, you don't, actually. You get to pick and choose which criminals you want to hunt down.

[D]

And we have one more blast from the. It feels like a blast from the past to me, but it really is indicative of the values of the left that persist. There is no moderation on the immigration issue from them. And this is. So we were talking About Sheridan Gorman. She was murdered. She was a student at Loyola in Chicago. And this is how her own student newspaper wrote up what had happened. They wrote an article about it that had the title immigrant man charged in murder of Sheridan Gorman, DHS involved. And they have updated their story and issued a lengthy apology because they say they didn't write about it in the way that reflects their standards and values because they described the man who murdered Sheridan Gorman allegedly as an illegal immigrant.

[B]

Yeah, go to that headline again. That image of it.

[D]

So that language does not align with Associated Press style, nor does it align with the values of this newspaper. No human's existence is illegal. And we quickly changed our wording to reflect that. We acknowledge the harm such language can cause and the power and importance of the words we choose to use. We deeply regret these errors. How about we deeply regret that an illegal foreigner came to the United States and murdered a woman in a robbery. A woman who did nothing wrong and was basically executed by someone who, who should have never been here.

[B]

That's a truly offensive, disgusting, gross headline.

[D]

From the student paper, the Loyola Phoenix. Yes, I believe so.

[B]

Dear God. I mean, you know, we're not dealing with sane and rational actors here. You know, there's been a lot of talk. Is Iran a rational actor? We have very irrational actors right here.

[D]

Iran has to be more rational than the person who wrote this article.

[B]

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[C]

Hey, great to be on, guys. Hope you're doing well.

[B]

Absolutely. I want to read a tweet here from Bill Malusion. He said, breaking Acting TSA Administrator Ms. Ha Nguyen McNeil testifies that currently TSA is suffering the longest wait lines in agency history, with callout rates hitting 40 to 50% at some airports. And more than 400 employees have quit since the shutdown began. There is over $1 billion in paychecks outstanding. What are we doing here, Chip?

[C]

Well, what's happening here is Democrats are trying to leverage and hold hostage the American people to try to score political points, which is somewhat ironic because I don't know how they're scoring political points with anybody other than the very invaders and proponents of sanctuary cities that they're standing alongside. Look, my only gripe is I think Republicans need to do a better job on the Hill of painting the picture that it is Democrats that is causing this issue. We've got to go on offense that Democrats are making the lives of the American people miserable. I have friends in Houston I think you saw probably on social media. Hopefully you didn't experience it yourself. Friends of mine did in Houston that were four and five and six hour waits. They missed their flights spent overnight in the airport. This stuff is having a real impact on Americans. Meanwhile, Democrats are wanting to saddle up with the very people who are causing the issue. So we've got to just keep our foot on the gas. I don't really love what I was hearing come out of the Senate about some sort of, well, let's fund dhs, all except for ice. Look, Democrats are saying that we shouldn't have ICE out there enforcing the law and removing dangerous aliens. And for that, they want to make Americans wait in line and not be able to go travel around the country. Let's make them own it and let's stand up for ice. Let's not try to give them a hall pass and an off ramp to deal with ice.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, you keep hearing from the Democrats that, hey, we've offered these standalone TSA funding bills to get that off the table. What do you make of that? That allegation that, that approach that they're taking, Is it true? What's not true? Why would we not take that, et cetera.

[C]

Well, look, first of all, we isolated DHS when we funded government, except for dhs. Right. And then now you're getting into DHS and So they're, they're leaving all these other things unfunded. Thankfully, we had money sitting there in the big, beautiful bill. We thought ahead last year, had the money they were able to use for ICE and Border Patrol, but that's leaving TSA and FEMA and Coast Guard, other entities, Secret Service, other things that are left holding the bag. So, look, my view is the more you keep isolating it down, the more you're giving Democrats the ability to say, yeah, we're going to hold ICE hostage. Right. We're going to stop enforcement and Interior enforcement. I think we need to say, wait a minute, our job is to fund the Department of Homeland Security. Don't let them whittle that down. We should be standing up and saying, look, we're going to fund dhs and we're doing that. We're sending them bills, and the Senate ought to just keep forcing the votes on them and make them own it. I'm not in favor of whittling it down. That being said, whatever we need to do to try to do our job to make sure we keep people safe and get TSA doing their job, I'm willing to have all the conversations we need to. We're trying to responsibly govern. The President's trying to make sure we're, you know, dealing with Rand, that we're doing our job here, that we're defending the homeland and Democrats playing politics with it. So we're all trying to figure out how to break them.

[B]

Yeah, and I completely agree. You give them so much leverage, by the way, Chip, if you give them, if you start whittling it down and giving them one other pet project to then debate that. So I completely agree with you, Congressman. So let's turn our attention to the SAVE Act. You've been one of the leaders on the Save America Act. It seems like I called it failure theater in the Senate. I feel like that's where we're still at. You got great patriots like Mike Lee that are fighting with everything they've got, and I think he's coming out looking like an absolute rock star here. What is your assessment of the progress being made or not being made on the Save America Act?

[C]

Well, I think you were about to say fighting like heck again. And look. Yeah, and that's perfect for my good, my good Mormon friend Mike Lee, who's the only time he gets salty language is when he's around bad influences. But, but Mike is a great American, one of my best friends here. He's doing a fantastic job along with our Mutual friend Cleta Mitchell is one of the great minds behind this bill. He and I worked together two years ago. I think I remember I saw earlier somebody retweeted one of Charlie's tweets from the summer of 24 where he said he agreed with Elon. And Elon Musk, supporter of the bill we'd introduced to say, guys, we should just guarantee that we know that only American citizens are voting, clean up the voter rolls, ensure we have processes to check citizenship. And Charlie was an early supporter and adopter of promoting the SAVE Act. We obviously added voter id, made the Save America Act. It's a great bill. We've got it through the House. Mike is pushing it hard. And is it failure theater? Yes. Right. Now, if you look at what they're doing, there's a certain element to that. But I would say the fact that we've now been on it for eight, nine days in the Senate and we forced them through the weekend, and we've got the leader and everybody trying to figure out what to do means we're actually forcing them to do their job. Normally, they just kind of shrug it off and go give a press conference. So all of the work, all that Scott Pressler is doing, all that you guys are doing, all the effort by Elon and everybody to elevate this and Mike Lee and then us in the House and the president. Let's be very clear, the president has been a loud voice for this. I think everybody in America is saying, guys, get it done. And look, I made message to Garcia Guy. I don't know if you've read that old piece. It's a great piece about, hey, get it done. I don't care how you do it, get it done. That's what the American people want. They don't wanna know about all the mess, just deliver it. So that's my message to senators. You figured out how to get it done. Let's go do it. But no more excuses.

[B]

Yeah, I agree with that. And it's interesting you brought up Elon, and maybe people would find this interesting. But I've heard stories of Elon being presented some of this data behind the scenes. Elon's a guy that's used to looking at software. He's used to looking at data. He's used to looking at physical hardware as well. And he's assessed it. And there's a reason why a guy like Elon Musk knows that this is existential to the future of the Republic. I don't have any more details to share than that other than when a guy like Elon looks at the data and the information and the evidence set and says, this is existential, you should probably take his word for that. And so, yeah, we gotta get this done. You know, one other question on this, cuz I wanna pivot to. We'll keep this short, but I know Senator Mike Lee is not in favor of doing this via reconciliation. You're not in the Senate, but what's your take on reconciliation? Something that Senator Kennedy is pushing versus getting it done. Talking filibuster, whatever again, I'm somebody who's

[C]

always willing to sit down at a table and find a way to succeed and to deliver. We did it on the big beautiful bill, right? There are a lot of things in there. Moving parts. I fought hard to get rid of green new scam subsidies. Side note, by the way, a bunch of leftists from Burbank, California ran a million dollars of ads against me in a Republican primary because they wanted to end my career because I was fighting so hard on the green new scam subsidies, which is one of the key things the President ran on. I bring that up because, look, when you go through all of this, I will find a way to get it done. If we can do it on reconciliation, great, but color me skeptic, right? Because last year we got shut down by the rulings of the parliamentarian in the Senate that you can do this kind of thing through it. I think Republicans in the Senate are looking for an off ramp to move down the field and then say they did something when they tie some issue with voter id. Or they say, well, we'll only give you a certain amount of funding if you do xyz. And none of that will force the recalcitrant blue states to actually do their job of ensuring that only citizens are voting. None of it will, I think, clear it up so that we can overturn the ruling that says that states like Arizona can't check voter rolls. You all know Arizona well. They actually have to run two election sets of data. They're able to check for citizenship for state and local elections, but they can't for federal. So they have to run two because of federal rules and regulations in the law. So we need to change the law. Hard to do that on reconciliation. I think that's sort of a, you know, I don't wanna say gaslighting, but I do think that a little bit of it is finding an off ramp to say, oh, yeah, we'll do that. And it's a little bit of a head pat.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to me how much of the power rests with the Senate parliamentarian. And there is a, seems to be a divergence of beliefs of whether you could get it through the parliamentarian, you could structure it in such a way that it would get through a reconciliation bill. But then if it goes through reconciliation, there's no chance of getting this implemented in time for the midterms. There's a lot of questions of whether or not it could be implemented for the midterms. Chip, where can people go to support your campaign?

[C]

Yeah, chiproy.com, chiproy.com, where you can follow me on X Twitter on chiproytx C H I P R O Y T X

[B]

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[D]

Yes, yes indeed. I mean it's, we've seen over and over. I was telling Andrew There's a classic headline, I think it was from New York Times, but I'm not sure, but where the headline was prison population surge despite fall in crime. And I think we were going through another wave that's happened two or three times even in our lifetimes of us reminding ourselves that the best way to stop crime is to put a pretty tiny number of people just behind bars for good. Because there are some people who, if they are free, will do crimes bring

[B]

back the three strikes rule. That's what I'm about.

[D]

But anyways, so, yeah, tell us about your bill.

[C]

Yeah, well, first of all, you know, look, I'm 53 years old. I grew up in the 80s in high school, 90s in college. I saw D.C. when it was just an absolute cesspool, you know, and then New York City, obviously, when it's very dangerous. And then we actually, through broken glass, through all the different policies that Mayor Giuliani and others carried out in D.C. we actually started getting this country into a pretty good spot. And we were putting criminals in jail and we were going after ways to stop judges who were putting people back out on the street. Right. So that's what happened. When we came in and we had three strikes. You're out. We had mandatory sentences in order to step in front of judges who weren't doing their job well. Then, you know, things got pretty good. It's pretty safe country. And then you heard and you just noted it. It's really important you noted about, you know, well, who's in jail. You kept hearing people say, well, gosh, 3 million people in jail in the United States, more than any other country. Like, well, yeah, that, that might have something to do with why we're a pretty safe country. So what happened was everybody said, well, let's start letting some of these folks out and let's go back to sort of stopped on crime policies. Well, guess what? Crime's been spiking. Now we've got judges putting criminals on the streets. Crime Stoppers in Houston said that there have been 220 Houstonians who were murdered by multiple time felons who have been in and out and in and out of jail and being arrested and let free by judges. 220 Estonians murdered. That's insane. That's Texas. That's not D.C. that's not San Francisco. It's not New York, it's Texas. This is one of the reasons I'm running for Attorney General. I introduced this bill federally to restore three strikes, which been watered down through various sentencing guidelines changes over the years. And I want to restore a really better model for three strikes and you're out that really focuses on fe. Felons who engage in dangerous criminal activity.

[B]

So what's the point? How does it work? The, the point?

[C]

Well, what we do is we change the point system so that now it's structured so that if you've got, you know, significant felonies and, and you've engaged in dangerous crimes, then you get a full point point and then there's quarter points for other criminal activity misdemeanors and other things to try to account for the concerns that people had raised. Like, well, we have people who are three strikes because they just, you know, sold some pot. It's like, hold on, we're going to minimize that relative to the, you know, more dangerous crimes and the, you know, you know, where you're engaging in crimes with a weapon, where you're engaging in dangerous crimes. And then we will change the model so that we can have an actual return to a three strikes type policy. So it's basically going after the career criminals in a way that will restore it. Cuz it's been getting watered down by virtue of people saying, well, don't go bust them because you know, they had, you know, one pot sale once.

[B]

Well, I mean, I completely agree. And by the way, cashless bail is an abomination, sir. So we gotta do something about that. Does your bill address that?

[C]

This bill does not, but we absolutely need to deal with cashless bail. And that's, you know, more of a state and local issue on that issue. And it's one of the things that obviously Attorney General that I'd be fully supporting changing.

[B]

You're reminding me of this clip and I don't have it loaded yet, but there was a 2023 clip from MPD Chief Robert Conti. So out of D.C. he's now retired. But he said the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times prior to committing a homicide. 11 times in D.C. well, it's one

[C]

of those things, you know, my first legal job was actually in the office of Attorney General and I worked in the Prosecutor's assistance division. And I worked in what we call the, it's now called the Habeas division, which is where we would go to appeals and we'd fight to leave, you know, keep people in jail or to go ahead and execute them through capital punishment. And people ask me all the time, well, what do you think about that? You know, what if you get the wrong guy? I'm like, okay, look at their rap Sheets. Like, I'd go through and look at these guys, I'd pull out their rap sheets and they would be this long, right. Of just felony assault, rape, you know, theft, you know, maybe a previous murderer that they've been released on. Like, these were the worst of the worst. And, you know, at that time, the early 2000s, we were doing a pretty good job of keeping them in jail or carrying out capital punishment. We moved the other way even in Texas. And as a result, we now have increased crime. And I saw that clip before, before we, over the segment Change of Charlie, talking about, hey, I think DC Will be a safer place if we get the National Guard in there, if the President gets his way. And guess what? DC Is a much better place than it was a year when we had spiking crime and we had members of Congress, staffers who were getting assaulted, some of, you know, getting shot and killed.

[D]

It's such a basic thing. Very rarely does someone start with a severe crime. They start with lesser ones. If you enforce your basic laws, you'll have fewer murders, fewer rapes, fewer severe assaults. And I'm glad you mentioned the death penalty, because I know, frankly, that's an important dimension of this as well. We've seen, as Attorney General. Yeah, we've seen the pattern of the left, which is, among other things, just, if you get rid of the death penalty, they immediately move on to what we've seen in California, where now anyone with a life sentence who's over 50 can get parole for being elderly. And so we're seeing these serial child abductors and rapists being released at an age where they could still easily offend again. So even in Texas, though I know the number of executions has gone down over time. Can you tell us, do you have any plan to make sure that when someone is sentenced to death for a heinous crime, they will actually face accountability for it?

[C]

Yeah. One of the things you do as Attorney General is you're in charge of the Capital Litigation Division, the habeas division, to ensure that bad guys stay in jail or their, you know, the execution is carried out. When I was the first Assistant Attorney General, I went down with the Attorney General and we witnessed an execution of a cop killer, met with the families, met with the police officers who all came there. And it's important, and people don't understand this is an important part of punishment, and it's where it's appropriate. It should be carried out. Look, we need bad guys to be in jail. We need the worst offenders to be removed entirely. I'm in favor of capital punishment for our worst offenders. We need to make sure that we secure our border regardless of who's in the White House. That's another reason I'm running for attorney general. You can't assume Donald Trump in perpetuity and all of that stuff added up with cartels, gang members, criminals on the streets, all of the leftists and the Marxists who are carrying out the Arabella network and the Ren Collective, and all of these groups that are funded by the way, by our tax dollars, by outside dollars, by George Soros. The office of attorney General has an enormous amount of power to open their books and we should open them and we should also open the books of the groups that are pushing Islam. Islam, not just care, not just the Muslim Brotherhood, but all of the groups that are trying to Islamify Texas. As attorney general, Texas is not going to become an Islamic state. Texas is going to be safe and secure. Criminals will be behind bars. We're going to make sure that gang members are not on the streets and our borders secure.

[B]

Amen. Well, it's the biggest attorney general office in a red state in the country. It's important. Chip, Roy, God bless you, sir. We have your back.

[C]

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

[B]

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[F]

Thanks for Having me, guys, a little

[B]

bit different vibe than yesterday. We had two gals in from ASU that had like nice clothes and pretty hair. And I'm just saying, now we got a young man with boots on and, you know, kind of have the cowboy vibe and all that stuff. How you, how you doing? How we doing?

[F]

I'm doing good. It's a little hot here. Not used to it.

[D]

Well, it's going to be. It's going to be a lot hotter.

[B]

Well, actually we're going to dip back down into normal seasonal norms and you know, there was like 104 here. There's 104 here on Sunday. And we looked back, it broke the record and the previous record was 94 or something like that set in the 90s. So it's been a hot spell. So Gabe, tell us about what life is like as the chapter president, TPUSA in Wyoming, because you'd think culturally be a little different. Is it. Are you. Do you have hostilities? Has the chapter exploded in recent months? Tell us about it.

[F]

Yeah, you know, you think that being at the University of Wyoming, we're the deepest red state in the country. Trump's won our state by more than it, by a higher percentage than any other state. But yeah, uw, it's not the most friendly place towards conservatives. Never has been. It's kind of that one lone, two blue spots. In one of them, you got Jackson and Laramie, Collegetown. So yeah, I mean, right after the assassination, like a kid in our student newspaper said that it was a duty to shoot conservatives. And like there was the celebrations on campus.

[B]

They published that.

[F]

They published that? Yeah. And yeah, that was quoted in the student newspaper. And we had all sorts of stuff happen like right after that event. And so it's, it's kind of wild. Chapter's huge. We're the only four year university in the state. So it's kind of like where all of turning point in Wyoming coalesces is in Laramie.

[A]

So.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

How big is the chapter grown?

[F]

In our like weekly meetings, we get anywhere from like, like 30 to 50 people. So that's big. And then when like we hosted Charlie, we had 25% of the student body sign up.

[D]

Yeah, I saw that. That was.

[B]

You were there at that?

[F]

Yeah, yeah, it was huge. It was like the biggest political event in the state of Wyoming since like Trump came and campaigned against Liz Cheney.

[B]

So it's the only reason Trump will come to. Well, we got it.

[D]

You can't have Democrats representing Wyoming.

[B]

You absolutely can't. You know and it was interesting. I remember a couple speeches that Charlie gave in Wyoming and he was like, you guys think you have it all good here right now, but, like, there are forces that will insinuate themselves, often with an R next to their name, that will dismantle the good things that are going on in the state of Wyoming.

[F]

Yeah, we have a huge rhino problem in the state of Wyoming.

[D]

Your Supreme Court.

[F]

Yeah, our Supreme Court just made abortion legal up until birth in the state of Wyoming. And you didn't think that happened in Wyoming? They, like, brutalized an amendment we passed to combat against Obamacare and said, hey, this means you can now abort your baby. And so it's crazy. Last election cycle, our Freedom Caucus took the majority in our House of Representatives. And there's going to be a huge rhino clapback. They're going to try to. But I think we'll combat it.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, a lot of people think this kind of stuff is limited to blue states or whatever. It's coming for you in a red state. And the fact that the student newspaper at the University of Wyoming. What's the total population of Wyoming?

[F]

Like 560,000.

[B]

Okay. It's mostly a rural state population. Laramie Mesa. Yeah. Laramie is the largest city in Wyoming. Correct. No.

[F]

So our capital, Cheyenne, is. I think we're like, we're in the top five, though.

[D]

Laramie, I think. Cheyenne, Casper.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

What's the population, though, in that?

[F]

Laramie is like 36,000 people.

[B]

Okay, so, okay, 36,000 people. But it's got this college edge. And you're getting somebody with the audacity to write that it's the duty to shoot conservatives. How that's not incitement directly, by the way, is beyond me. You're the expert on the incitement rules. But it's a specific targeting of people, specific method of killing people.

[D]

You actually need at least two out of three of specific time, place, manner.

[B]

I can't believe that the newspaper would do that. All right, so let's talk about the issues facing young conservatives on campus. All right, what is the vibe in Wyoming, young conservatives when it comes to Iran?

[F]

I think that, you know, the kids in Laramie, the kids in Wyoming, I think they're kind of like the kids across the rest of the country. They're really questioning the war. Why are we there? Like, even I'm in that spot. You know, I went on a Turning Point Israel trip, and it's just kind of hard to win the debate on campus. And I think that's where, like, a lot of Turning Point students are. It's like, how do we win the debate?

[D]

And it's. I think it's, as we said, where we're a little concerned. The administration, even where there is an argument to be made, they haven't aggressively made it. We've seen these hype videos and stuff. But there was this extended buildup and even in the days before, I don't know that they were coming out and saying, here is the reason Iran is a bigger threat than they were even last summer, let alone years ago.

[B]

Right. Yeah. And I think that's a good point. I mean, there's a case to be made, but we were critical in the early days that we didn't feel that the case had been successfully made. I think the admin then came back, he saw this from Marco and some others explaining the rationale. But the truth is, and I've been honest about this, people don't like to hear it. The kids don't like the Iran war. Right. It could be the geopolitical national security. Right call, but it is a political loser with Gen Z. There's kind of no doubt about that.

[F]

Yeah. And I think you guys are right. I just don't think that the case has been made with Iran. I think, like, I've been alive for 23 years. Our country's been at war in the Middle east all our lives, all my life. And we've just gotten nothing but trillions of dollars in debt. Dead soldiers, soldiers that come back with PTSD that ruins homes and families. We haven't gotten any oil. And I think, like my generation, we came, like, politically conscious when Trump ran in 2015, 2016. And so like, he lives in our head rent free, talking about no more foreign wars and like, kind of like how the old Gen Xers and boomers are with Reagan. Like, they still think like, you know, he's the mantra of the day. And so that just lives in our head. And like, when we're on campus and we're trying to justify, you know, the administration and defend, you know, Trump, people poke holes in our ideology and they just point out the ideological inconsistencies. And like, I was tabling two weeks ago talking about Iran and talking about, like, their nuclear program, but. And these guys, these guys that are, were right wing were saying, well, they're nuclear hedging just like, like South Korea and Taiwan and Japan. They have a, you know, a robust nuclear program to deter China, who's a nuclear threat. So it's just Hard.

[B]

No, I. And I agree. I mean, listen, we can't speak for Charlie because he's not here, and it would be wrong to do that. What I can say is that I watched the process unfold when it came to Midnight Hammer and Charlie wanted to err on the side of avoiding foreign conflicts. There's no doubt he was anti interventionist mostly. But he also was willing to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt in the sense that he has not gotten us embroiled in foreign conflicts forever. Wars, quagmires. I would not describe what's going on in Iran as a quagmire. And ultimately this is why we got President Trump elected, is to make tough decisions in tough situations, and he makes tough calls. These are impossible decisions where you're between a rock and a hard place, where there isn't necessarily an easy answer. Right. And so peace through strength only works, by the way, if you're willing to use that strength. Now, history and time will tell whether or not this was the right choice. But you've got to give President Trump some due that he has been the one president in our current modern American history that has not gotten us embroiled in a foreign conflict in a forever war. So this is a foreign conflict, but he's been. His track record thus far has been pretty good. We'll see how it works out on this. But I think that's a really fair point. That it's just. It does put you in a position where even guys like Charlie were out there saying he's the peace president, selling President Trump as the peace president, and now it's more difficult to defend that. And that's a really, really fair point. Okay, so how many times a week do you table?

[F]

We table anytime between one and four times a week.

[B]

All right, one and four times a week. What are the main things that you're hearing from students when you're tabling, what are the biggest issues?

[F]

Yeah, I think obviously we just talked about Iran, a lot of free speech stuff that's been a big topic on our campus for the last three years. University of Wyoming just adopted the Chicago principles, basically. So we have free speech protections on Camp Epstein, obviously, kind of like all the controversial stuff that you see on the Instagram reels and X.

[B]

So, yeah. So top issues. So what are. When you. When you're asked about Israel, for example, is that mostly coming from a left wing faction or a right wing faction? Both.

[G]

Maybe a little bit of both.

[F]

I would say it more comes from a right wing side. Our campus is Definitely majority conservative with the students on campus. And so we are actually, like, trying to, I don't know, bring more right wing kids, but they think that we're pretty moderate. Turning point on campus. Probably a little different from other campuses. So it's all.

[B]

We're considered the radicals.

[F]

Yeah. So it's a little odd, but we have some good conversations at Tabling. Epstein was a big one for a while, but that kind of died off. We have a lot of talk about, like, energy in our state. That's always a big thing, always being talked about. Because we're a big coal capital. We have a lot of, like, controversy over wind farms and stuff.

[B]

So don't let him.

[D]

What about immigration rhetoric? Do you ever run?

[F]

Oh, yeah, that's a huge one.

[D]

Say they need migrants to work as ranch hands or anything.

[F]

Yeah, you know. No, not really. If there's anything that the, the right wing kids on campus think that we're all right on is immigration. I mean, we're a bunch of moratoriumists, so.

[B]

Yeah, fair enough. When you guys have your meetings, do you see is. Are the meetings divided? Do you. Do you feel like there's factions?

[F]

Oh, yeah, there's. There's huge factions. I. We've been doing like, this, like, cultural, like, debate series where we talked about, like, feminism and like, the simpery that's present among young men and that's super

[B]

controversial for our audience.

[F]

Yeah. So, like, talking about, like, feminism, there's kind of like this weird thing, you know, among conservatives and like, we have this trad. LARPing culture thing going on where everybody wants to make, like, sourdough bread and have a little farmhouse, like. Yeah, yeah. And I like, I think that's a great thing. But how much is that real? And like, I don't remember who said it, but I made this proposition that was like, well, we want these, like, trad wives and stuff, and these young women want to be trad wives, but when it comes down to it, they're kind of like just crypto feminists because they want their husbands to have all the responsibility, but no authority in the household or over the family. So it's just very odd and trying to, like, kind of poke holes in the thinking, make people think and ask questions about what they believe. And then like, the young men, they're just like, simps. Like, they just. And we got to get rid of that. We need men to be leaders.

[B]

I mean, completely, by the way. No, same thing. Men need to be the leader of the household. You need to get your kids and your wife to church, and you need to be the breadwinner. You know, this is. By the way, I've said this before. I'm stealing the line from somebody else. But men are like trucks. They will be squirrely all over the road if there's not a load on them. And you put the load in the back of the bed, they'll drive straight as an arrow. So men, you have strong shoulders for a reason. You need to be loaded up with responsibility, and that's a good thing. You're going to have a life of purpose and of meaning and of productivity. And so. Yeah, but there is this. There is this. There is this cultural element that says because of feminism, because women expect. There's a sense at least that a lot of women expect all the money, all the provision, without any of the authority, that they're just opting out of this whole vibe. So what's the vibe on marriage, on campus?

[F]

You know, I think that's probably one of the more controversial things, like in my. In my chapter is, like, a lot of the young men question whether it's worth it. And the young women, they expect like they're men in a weird way to be simps. And so. And that's where there's a lot of controversy, and that's where you kind of see the factions a lot of the young women expect. They're just like. Like they're men. They'll worship them. And it's kind of weird.

[B]

What. Just define simps for our audience.

[F]

Over.

[B]

Over.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. For the boomers out there, basically, something's just like, kind of like just worshiping. And, like, you revolve around your girlfriend or your wife. You kind of cater to them always. Not a lot of you have all this responsibility and you just kind of do whatever they say. And it's not about, like, being the. The rock of your relationship and being centered in Christ.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, listen, this is a huge problem, by the way, for people at home that maybe aren't internalizing this, but the divide between young men and young women about expectations when it comes to a relationship is actually a huge cultural problem. And we gotta get to the root of it, because women need to start celebrating masculine men, strong men, men that can lead, men that can be productive fathers and husbands and entrepreneurs. And there is an expectation that's placed on young men like yourself that it's sort of all about the boss, babe. We've got to, like, put the woman on the pedestal, treat her like a princess, expect nothing out of her. I think that's really, really unhealthy. And I don't. I'm not saying all women believe this, but there is enough of them where it becomes a. I guess, like a cultural phenomena.

[F]

Right.

[B]

And that's kind of what you're feeling as a young men, right?

[F]

Yeah, yeah. You know, like the young men, they. A lot of them. And if you go to, like, Amfest and Sass, we talk about it, like, these young men, they get involved in the faith and they end up going to, like, really old forms of Christianity, like Catholicism, orthodox. That's a weird one I don't get. Yeah. Like, I became Presbyterian because of it, so.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So do you see a lot of friction between the sexes on campus? Oh, yeah. Really? Even conservatives.

[F]

Even conservatives, yeah.

[B]

So you're saying even conservative women are not. They don't understand kind of what a man is or a masculine man is. They want you to be simps, too.

[F]

Yeah. And I think that's just kind of, when you look at these cultural phenomenons, is that usually the men kind of start somewhere, and it takes a little bit for the young women to get there too. And I think it mostly comes of just the both sides not understanding each other is that these young men have become way more right wing and way Christian really fast over the last five years. And. And so I just think there's a little bit of a divide, and I think it'll catch up.

[D]

I think women, like, biologically, they do feel attraction to assertive men and confident men like men on a mission. And so you have to hope that if men are shifting that direction, as you say, that they'll win over women in their wake. And Charlie was a big believer.

[F]

Yeah, that's what I think, too.

[B]

I think if men lead, women will follow. That's a controversial thing to say in today's age, but it shouldn't be. That's the way that God designed men to be leaders, men to be strong. Women need to celebrate that, not fight it. And I think you're totally right, Blake. There's. I don't care what a woman says. Women are drawn to strong men. Yeah. They do not want beta males.

[D]

Also, I would just like to say our viewers like the fact that we explained what a simp was. Thank you.

[B]

I am a boomer.

[D]

I did not know what that was.

[B]

Yeah. Well, listen, Gabe, I think you're doing great work. Everybody says that University of Wyoming is thriving under your leadership. This is your senior year though, right?

[F]

I'm actually a first year law student now.

[B]

So how's that work? Are you gonna keep leading the chapter?

[F]

Yeah, I ain't giving it up.

[B]

Are you developing leaders underneath you that

[F]

can take a lot of freshmen this year because of everything that's happened? So, yeah, it'll be good.

[B]

All right, well, good. Well, we gotta get Turning Point back out to Wyoming. That seems like fertile ground. We gotta keep Wyoming deep, deep, deep, deep red. Yes. Well, Gabe's saying, glad you could make it. It's been a pleasure. And apparently you're a fan favorite, so good job.

[F]

Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.

[B]

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[D]

I mean, it's. It's one of the reasons people love Charlie so much. They like to see a young person with good conservative values can articulate them.

[B]

I know, but we got to fix this whole male female divide. Women, you gotta understand that men will be men and that's a good thing. Stop fighting them.

[D]

Anyways, dudes have done amazing things.

[B]

Dudes have done amazing things and so have women. It's about having proper balance between the masculine and the feminine. Alright, without further ado, Alex Marlowe, editor in chief of Breitbart News, joins us now, also host to the Alex Marlowe Show. Welcome, my friend. It's good to have you. It's in times like these that we need our trusted voices to rally around and make sense of the world. But I got kind of a fun one for you, so. This is stranger than fiction. Actually, it's not. It's completely predictable for California. The University of Southern California has abruptly canceled a California gubernatorial debate just hours before it was set to air Monday. Why? Because all six qualifying candidates were white. Alex, you know California well, I just, I couldn't resist. I mean, it's not like front page news, but it's really important just to like get into the psyche of the left and this. Are you surprised?

[G]

I have a feeling I'm actually surprised all the top candidates are white. I mean, this state, it feels like there's not that many white people left.

[B]

I know you go walk around California and you kind of go, where did all the white people go?

[G]

Where did all the whites go? No, I was just commenting on how it seems like a lot of the people who were part of the golden age of California kind of left the state for anywhere. It's either lefties sometimes leave and go to Canada, places like that, and then righties, we go to Florida, we go to Texas, we go to Arizona, we go to places like that. So, yeah, it's actually very shocking that this is the case. But it also illuminates on a more serious cultural level the fact that the left has for years now probably were a solid decade. You can maybe trace this to the first time Donald Trump was elected in 2016 to when this way they had that psychological break. They have no longer care about standards at all. They don't care about excellence. They don't care about a track record. They care about representation and an identity. So if you don't have one of those boxes to check, if you don't have brown skin or your LGBTQ 3 spirit, 4 spirit, furry whatever it is that you are or you don't have some sort of a strange heritage that you can call upon, then you should not be in a position of power in this country. This is how people look at things. And it's not just in places like government, is places like book publishing where they have these sensitivity readers now that are reading books to make sure that the representation is done in the proper way. It's peak wokeness. We are not past the woke moment. We are still in it in blue parts of the country. And this is a very clear example of this. And it's just great to watch the progressives eat themselves alive though, I gotta admit.

[B]

So I have a theory that California would be totally on board with mass deportations if it was white people, 100%. This is essentially what their policies are designed to do, by the way.

[D]

I mean, it's just like every time they get actually Very angry. Anytime a white person would be a refugee from another country, like, they'll move heaven or. It's just 100% obvious in everything they do. They just. They don't like white people.

[B]

So we have to play a clip from Charlie asking the question about has any institution been better off because of DEI Sat 24.

[G]

You're thinking that DEI is versus excellence? I think DEI is for excellence.

[A]

Got it. Show me one institution that got better the more it embraced dei.

[C]

What institution that got better, that embraced

[A]

dei, that got smarter, more competitive, leaner, more productive, and that was better than it was 10 years ago.

[B]

Are.

[A]

Are our airports more efficient? Are we landing planes better? Are our airlines better? Is our government better? Is our schools better? Is our universities better? I mean, show me one example. Is our public health authorities better? Show me one institution that's embraced DEI that has become better, more excellent than it was 20 years ago. It doesn't exist. DEI will destroy an institution from within.

[B]

It's almost like he's talking specifically about California there. And by the way, that's. I was at that event. That was at UC Riverside, so I remember that.

[G]

I hate to be dark about it, but that's why they killed them. I mean, they're just so devastating. It's the. You cannot come back from that argument. And that. It just gives you chills. It strikes fear of God and the people on the left because they can't defend that argument. Their defense of that argument would be that DEI is the end in and of itself, that having better representation is the goal. It's not excellence. It's not progress. It's not making us all happier or more powerful or wealthier or bigger leaders on the world stage. No, the goal is to have more representation. That's how the left looks at things. That is the goal in and of itself. And that is just so far away from anything our founders stood for. Any of you who abide by Judeo Christian principles, there's nothing like that that you could draw off of. And people like you and me, guys like people with conservative values. This is so far afield for us. But that's how they think in the city, in this state.

[B]

Well, and compare and contrast that. Now, what's going on in Texas with the Democrat candidate for Senate, James Talrico, who has apologized for being white. He's apologized for the sin. He's so in touch with his privilege. Right. And now he's got this whole vegan scandal, which is hilarious. But it's interesting that you have a canceled debate in California, because everybody's white. Whereas in Texas, they're very excited that James Talrico is white. This is why James Colbert got behind him and didn't want to. Didn't want to. Platform Crockett. Right. She was not out of central casting for a state like Texas. They don't care what color you are. They care that you're the right color for the right context. That's what James Talrico proves.

[G]

Yeah, they cast James Talarico and they found a guy who claims he's a Christian, who speaks confidently about the Bible, apparently knows nothing about it, but he does speak about it with confidence. He went to the Lego store and he got one of those giant hair pieces and he popped it onto his head. I have no idea how he got hair like that. It does look like a Lego piece. Am I right, guys? I mean, that's what it looks like. So he's. He's out there, probably says. He says he's not going to eat barbecue in Texas. It's like I dream in the middle of the night, I wish I was in Texas eating Texas barbecue. And he's there and he's like, against, like, no, no Texas barbecue for me. This is going to get me elected. It's all because it is diversity, because that is a diversity representation of the left in the state of Texas. You wouldn't see a guy like that representing a left wing position. And they use that to get attention, to get donor dollars. And at this point, it's been kind of effective.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be interesting too. And I keep looking for updates from that race because remember, President Trump on the Republican side of the aisle said he was going to endorse, then he held back. Cuz I think he was kind of looking for a deal on the Save America Act, a break the filibuster or whatever. But, you know, we've endorsed Ken Paxton on this side. The dig against Ken is that he can't win a statewide race in a general, in a competitive race. The guy's done it three times, by the way. Last time in it was. I think he won by 10 points. Yeah, it sounded. Looked like you're about to chime in, Alex. Don't. Let me.

[G]

Yeah, yeah. I love Ken Paxton and I want to speak to this because this has been so heartening to me and it was one of the few. There's a lot of discouraging things in the news right now, but we've always loved Ken Paxton at Breitbart. He's a true Fighter, he's good on immigration, guns, all the usual stuff, but he's even great on big tech. He's been one of the leaders fighting against the Silicon Valley masters of the universe, making sure that they play fairly as they control so much of our information in this country and the flow of information. And so he really is a leader. And I thought that maybe Trump was gonna endorse Cornyn cuz he thought Cornyn was a better general election candidate. But Trump's probably looking at it. He's seeing that this is a off your election, that there's a lot of people in the conservative movement who are not super fired up at the moment. And he sees a Ken Paxton who's going to motivate base voters more. Maybe now he's seeing that as a safer bet in a midterm election. And I love that because that gives us a chance here, getting Ken Paxton in, who would be a terrific senator if he wins.

[B]

Well, exactly. And I mean, you cannot back the guys that have been the thorn in your side for years. I mean, there's just no doubt about it. John Cornyn does not, does not really like President Trump.

[D]

I remember John Cornyn was a known saboteur of President Trump's agenda back in 2017 when he first took office. I remember that because at Fox, we were getting leaks from his staff about how bad it was way back then. And we've talked about needing to modernize the Republican Party. And you know, people always say, like, how will the Senate get better? And it's just going to happen as all these old guard guys who have never liked the changes since 2015, they have to be transitioned out. And if we elect Cornyn again, okay, he's still around into the 2000 and 30s. We still have this guy representing Texas who everyone knows wants amnesty and wants endless interventionism.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean, we got rid of Romney, but then you get Curtis, that was kind of like a wash. And so you got to get Nate Morris in Kentucky, you got to get Paxton in Texas. There's a couple races like that where you can get these huge upgrades. But here, by the way, the team pulled one of these Talrico videos that are just too obnoxious not to play at least one Sat 29. For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego. It's a never ending process and it's a painful process. I'm sure it was really painful for James Talrico to reckon with his own masculinity. And by the way, the way he talks about Jesus and prophetic voice. No, Jesus is your like God. He's your Lord. Like, I just felt. I don't know that that part actually bothers me. You know, we spend a lot of time on this show talking about culture, about why strong families matter, why values matter, why faith matters. But here's something practical. If you actually want to build a strong family someday, you have to start by meeting someone who shares those same values and convictions. And in today's culture, that's not always easy. A lot of apps are built around casual connections, instant gratification, no long term vision. And that's just not what many of you are looking for. You want something better. That's why I like Upward. Upward is a dating app designed around faith and shared values. People who care about commitment, integrity, marriage and family. You're starting from common ground instead of trying to negotiate your core beliefs three months into later into the relationship. That kind of clarity really matters. If faith is central to your life or even if it's something that shaped how you were raised and how you see the world. Upward connects you with people who take that seriously. If you're tired of the confusion and you're ready to date with intention, with marriage and family in mind, download Upward and start building on the right foundation. Because strong relationships don't just happen by accident. They start with shared values. Download the Upward app today. All right, Alex, I want to turn our gaze to Israel. Not Israel, Iran. Which Israel?

[D]

They're pretty connected.

[B]

They're pretty connected right now. So Iran. This is a headline from the Daily Mail. Right now it's breaking, Iran rejects Trump's peace plan. And it says, 7,000 strong US ground evasion force amasses on Tehran's doorstep. Okay, so let's just give you the details here. Says Donald Trump is massing a 7,000 strong ground invasion force. This is their words. I wouldn't say the Department of War would necessarily say it this way. After the Islamic regime snubbed a 15 point peace plan. Again, it's difficult to get details out of this. I want to focus on the ground portion of this. The ground troops. Pentagon Chiefs ordered around 2,000 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division to the Middle east last night to join some 4,500 Marines already en route to the region. Now, Alex, you know, President Trump has not used ground forces really in either Trump 1.0 or 2.0. This would be a massive new wrinkle in the entire calculus of Iran. What do you make of this? What are you hearing in your reporting? And then let's talk about the political ramifications.

[G]

Yeah, I'm trying to connect some dots here and I don't have any, I think new hard and fast insight to add. But a couple of things that are important. Trump's peace plan that he put out. I just walked through this on the latest episode of the Alex Marlowe show, which should be out in a few minutes. I go through all the points that Trump has, has, they're all essentially repeats of what he put out last year. He's just reestablishing to a little tougher degree the points he laid out in a letter to Iran a year ago where he said no more nuclear enrichment to weapons grade, no more ballistic missile, long range ballistic missile development. And you can't frontier proxies. And they did all three of those things and he laid it out. That's basically what he's establishing again is you can't do this stuff. And they're a little tougher than last time, but it's basically the same thing. And in exchange, you're going to get to do commerce, we're going to have sanctions released, you're going to be able to do business with the rest of the civilized world. And that will be our reward to you so long as we can keep an eye on those three things. Totally reasonable and legitimate and consistent with what Trump has done. And Iran just says, of course, no, no deal, which is not a shock to me at all. They feel like they are tough negotiators, they're shrewd negotiators. I know that it takes a long time to negotiate with Iran, that they have all sorts of layers of bureaucracy. We don't even know who's leading the country. It could be the stupid gay cardboard cutout. We don't know. Is it someone else? No one really knows at this point. And so it's tough to know exactly where they're at, but they're going to play hardball. That doesn't strike me as a surprise with regards to the ground invasion. Here's what I'm nervous about. Just like you guys, I feel like that this is politically ridiculously risky for Trump to do this. And if nothing short of a devastating, declarative, definitive victory in short order would justify such a thing. And that's really hard to pull off. And in the meantime, more members of the coalition could be slipping. And we're seeing the war is not particularly popular, not popular with anyone who doesn't support Trump. And even a handful of people who do support Trump don't like the war. There's a big AP pullout that we got up at Breitbart News today showing exactly that, which is a significant thing. And he's got to be cautious of this. And I'll tell you where Trump in the past has built up troops. He ends up using them. He built up all of those ships near Venezuela, then he got Maduro, he built up all those ships in the Gulf, and then he got Khomeini. And now if he's building up ground truths, don't doubt him. He's clearly willing to use them if he's building them up.

[B]

Yeah. The quote from a Trump aide, which they told Axios, Trump has a hand open for a deal and the other is a fist waiting to punch you in the expletive face. So I think, listen, you know Trump. Yeah. I mean, it kind of reminds you of Marco Rubio's quote, right? If you don't know, now you know. And I think Trump, again, I agree with you. If he's building up a force, he's probably gonna be very prepared to use it. And he said there is no line he's not willing to cross in order to get the mission achieved. Tell us more about the AP poll, Cuz I think that's important for the audience to understand. How is this war polling with the base? Yeah.

[G]

And so the, the, the deep concern with voters that the Americans are just not feeling the military involvement. Overall, most Americans are saying the military action against Iran has gone too far already. And that's pre. Any boots on the ground. Now, the AP is a vested interest in Trump failing, but in general is slightly more responsible than average. But this is logical to anyone who's paying attention because anyone who does not like Trump will never support any sort of military involvement with him. And as you guys know full well, a lot of people in the new members of the MAGA coalition, people who are part of the more isolationist wing of the MAGA movement, they're not going to like this either. So he's really competing for a pretty small swath of the piece in terms of convincing the public this is a good thing. And could it lead to a longstanding peace if Trump draws the inside straight? Yeah, I think it could. And I trust him in a lot of ways. But just noting that this is not going over all that great at home. This is a reality.

[B]

Well, we had a chapter president from University of Wyoming on. His name's Gabe Saint. He said that one of the issues with the Iran war for him and his students when they table on campus is it's ideologically seems inconsistent with the pitch of President Trump as the peace president. Right. So they are at a disadvantage to defend it. Final minute or so here. Alex, how would you encourage our students to defend what's happening right now as best as you could?

[G]

Yeah. The first thing is that nuclear war is a legitimate threat and people who have dismissed that are just inaccurate. All the government has suggested that Iran was enriching too much and that's reality. And Trump really does not want to be a wartime president. He wants to be a peace president. He's earned a lot of trust in this regard and over his first five plus years in his administration, he is watching the polls, he's watching the markets. He wants to wrap this thing up and get us back to building and prospering. He thinks the key to winning over Iran, I believe is to bring them into the fold economically. He wants to compel them to do that. He's clearly willing to show a force to do that. He's done this with Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar. He intends to do this with Iran. Iran's just a tougher foe in this regard.

[B]

I think that's well said and I want to clip that up and make sure our students have it, because I do. I believe that that is the best defense right now, that President Trump is very clear eyed and open to this getting wrapped up very, very quickly. He understands the political dynamics, the economic dynamics and he wants to nation build here at home. And I think he sees Iran is a very strategic node in a broader plan economically for the United States. We gotta pray it works out and hopefully it doesn't have to be an inside straight. Alex. Alex Marlow, Editor in Chief of Breitbart News Host, the Alex Marlowe show we'll see you soon.

[G]

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