Project Veritas Whistleblower EXPOSES Critical Race Theory in a Children's' Toy Manufacturer—LIVE with James O' Keefe

Summary

---

The Charlie Kirk Show

Project Veritas Whistleblower EXPOSES Critical Race Theory in a Children's Toy Manufacturer — LIVE with James O'Keefe

Date: July 19, 2021
Guests: James O'Keefe (Project Veritas), David (Hasbro Whistleblower)

---

Episode Overview

In this episode, Charlie Kirk sits down with Project Veritas founder James O'Keefe and David, a whistleblower from Hasbro, to discuss Project Veritas’s latest exposé. The conversation centers on whistleblowing in modern journalism, critical race theory (CRT) and "woke" ideology within major corporations, specifically Hasbro's mandatory employee training related to race, and the growing movement of exposing institutional wrongdoing. The tone is lively, combative, and deeply rooted in the hosts’ and guests’ conservative activism.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Project Veritas and the Role of Whistleblowers

• James O'Keefe describes the increasing importance of whistleblowers in an age when mainstream media is perceived as failing its watchdog role (02:23-03:49).
  • “It’s the heroism, because they’re going to lose their jobs now, Charlie. So we have a dozen that have come out and it’s gonna be hundreds.” (02:41, James O'Keefe)
• Rise in digital-age whistleblowing due to support networks and fundraising platforms like GiveSendGo (03:12–03:49).

2. Mainstream Media Critique & Project Veritas Legal Efforts

• O’Keefe criticizes mainstream journalists as being “slaves to their access,” thereby protecting the interests of the powerful (03:10).
• Detailed stories about whistleblowers exposing stories at powerful entities, including Facebook and local Fox affiliates (03:50–07:43).
• O’Keefe discusses Project Veritas’s "lawfare" campaign, suing major news organizations (esp. The New York Times) for alleged defamation and misreporting (08:37-13:27).
  • “We have not lost one lawsuit at Project Veritas. And we’ve sued, most recently on offense, the New York Times for defamation…” (08:48, James O'Keefe)
  • Notable quote: “If the New York Times offered me $100 million, I’d tell them to go F themselves.” (12:18, James O'Keefe)

3. The Business and Artistry of Undercover Journalism

• O’Keefe highlights his background in theatrical storytelling, his artistic motivation, and the need for “cinema verité” to reach culture through undercover video (20:40–23:02).
  • “I think I’m probably not motivated by politics. I think I’m more of an artistic person… Cinema verité, which is Project Veritas, we show the truth in 24 frames per second.” (21:01, James O'Keefe)
• The episode carries a theme that "politics is downstream from culture," reflecting on the importance of narrative, ridicule, and authenticity.

4. Hasbro Whistleblower: CRT in Toy Manufacturing

David’s Story

• David, a packaging engineer at Hasbro, shares his experience attending mandatory CRT training (24:16–35:09).
  • Training content: Employees were shown videos claiming babies as young as six months can have racial bias (25:09–25:32).
  • Mandatory nature: David clarifies the sessions were required, at least for him, and speculates the practice is spreading (25:37–25:43).
  • Motivation: He explains he felt compelled to record and expose it after realizing “my jaw hit the floor” at the training’s content (24:28–25:01).
  • “They want to use toys to kind of teach children about racial biases, to, I guess, maybe kind of correct what they see as some kind of wrong, but it’s just going to make more children discriminate based on race.” (25:55, David)
• Corporate Rationale: David shares that Hasbro presenters claimed “a responsibility because they have such wide access to children” (26:16), which Kirk calls “creepy” and “perverted” (26:23).
• Impact and Courage: David details the moral risk he took, knowing he might lose his job (29:34), but asserting, “there are more important things than money” (29:38).

5. The Spread and Influence of CRT and "Conscious Kid"

• David traces his awareness of CRT/intersectionality back to college, noticing segregated graduations and the rise of similar trends in the workplace and media (33:41–34:31).
• He identifies Conscous Kid as the consulting group propagating CRT within Hasbro and other companies like YouTube, Google, and the NFL (35:09–35:43).
  • “They want to make sure that their ideology is pushed out every level of Hasbro.” (35:09, David)

6. The Psychology of Whistleblowing: Courage vs. Loss Aversion

• Kirk and O’Keefe discuss “loss aversion” (30:20–32:06)—the human tendency to fear loss over pursuing gains—as an obstacle to whistleblowing, alongside pressure to conform (Asch Conformity Test).
  • “Most people would rather they’re more afraid of losing what they have than gaining what they don’t.” (30:03, James O’Keefe)
• Both men urge more people to find the courage to speak out, asserting “we’re in the courage business” (37:49, James O’Keefe) and “courage is the virtue that sustains all other things…” (38:30, James O’Keefe).

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On institutional corruption & whistleblowing:
  “I say in American Muckraker, you almost have to be a masochist to expose the truth. ...You have to jump on grenades. You have to face indictments and arrests and false accusations.”
  — James O’Keefe, (07:47)
• On Hasbro CRT training:
  “The earliest was six months [old].”
  — David (Hasbro Whistleblower), (25:32)
• On courage to act:
  “If everyone who opposed, like, critical theory, critical race, critical gender theory just came out at once and said, enough, we’d probably be done with this tomorrow.”
  — David (Hasbro Whistleblower), (32:26)
• On meaning and the pursuit of courage:
  “I think there’s also the pursuit of meaning. And courage is the virtue that sustains all other things...”
  — James O’Keefe (38:30)
• On Project Veritas’s mission:
  “We just need hundreds of people like him. They just need to give the permission to do it.”
  — James O’Keefe (39:09)

---

Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:23]–[04:17]: Why whistleblowing is essential in the current media landscape; citizen journalists
• [07:43]–[09:52]: Project Veritas’s legal battles with mainstream media
• [20:40]–[23:02]: O’Keefe on the culture, artistry, and theater of Project Veritas
• [24:16]–[26:23]: David recounts Hasbro’s CRT training and its impact
• [29:34]: David faces likely job loss for whistleblowing; reflects on courage
• [30:20]–[32:06]: Psychological barriers to whistleblowing: loss aversion and conformity
• [35:09]–[35:43]: The role of “Conscious Kid” and consulting groups in propagating CRT
• [38:30]: The ancient definition of courage and the pursuit of meaning

---

Flow & Tone

• The episode is energetic, candid, and has a combative spirit against perceived cultural and media overreach.
• Charlie Kirk and James O’Keefe alternate between humor, direct activism, and motivational appeals to the audience, using both anecdotal and philosophical arguments.
• The discussion is grounded in personal experience, current events, and recurring calls for courage and action.

---

Conclusion

This episode gives an insider look at how Project Veritas approaches whistleblowing and combines legal, journalistic, and cultural tactics to challenge mainstream narratives and corporate orthodoxy. The Hasbro exposé serves as a lightning rod for broader concerns about CRT and ideological uniformity in major American institutions. Both guests emphasize courage over security and encourage listeners to similarly stand up for their convictions, signaling that a growing “whistleblower movement” is underway.

---

For tips or to become a whistleblower:
Email: [e-mail]

Preorder James O’Keefe’s book:
American Muckraker (All proceeds to Project Veritas Foundation)
Support / Contact:

• charliekirk.com/support
• tpusa.com
• [e-mail]

---

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, James o'. Keefe. He rolled into our room here with a platoon of people and we gave him a hard time. But more importantly, he's actually doing great work. Project Veritas, James o'. Keefe. And he has a whistleblower about the maker of toys for your children and how they are trying to make the toys to try to teach your children not to be little racists from Hasbro. It's kind of a freewheeling episode. It's a lot of fun. And it's made possible by all of you that Support [e-mail] Support. When you support us@charliekirk. Com Support you allow us to continue to grow. Pamela from Iowa, thank you. Heather from St. Augustine. Or is it Augustine? Who knows? Thank you. Ryan or Rylan from Alabama, thank you. And Ken from Troutman, North Carolina, becoming a monthly supporter. Thank [e-mail] support. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[James O'Keefe]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

I want you to know we are

[Charlie Kirk]

lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[James O'Keefe]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job. One of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Are you saving for retirement or just treading water? Are you depending solely on stocks or mutuals instead of diversifying what you really need? Did you know it's easy to move out of a 401k into precious metals like gold that's predicted to go up $2,500 an ounce soon. Inflation is here and this could be an answer for you. So call the team at Noble Gold, do it this month and they'll give you a gift of a 22 karat American Eagle coin. Just mention the promo code. Kirk. That's noblegold investments dot com. That's noblegold investments dot com. Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here with the salt in the Brunei, otherwise known as James o'. Keefe. You brought a couple people in the room with you.

[James O'Keefe]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, I can give you a hard time, James, because we've known each other a couple years.

[James O'Keefe]

You do give me a time hard.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you are one of the few people that actually do something meaningful in the movement.

[James O'Keefe]

I appreciate that.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you are now on a whistleblower Project. Tell us about that.

[James O'Keefe]

Whistleblowers are in the room right now. You can't see them, but you know, USPS whistleblower. We had two TV insiders, one came on your stage. April Moss, CBS Detroit. Yes, these are people currently employed by television news networks, Postal Service. New one came out today. Hasbro Big Story, Critical Race Theory. They feel compelled to go public with information that people are trying to keep hidden. And it's the heroism, because they're going to lose their jobs now, Charlie. So we have a dozen that have come out and it's gonna be hundreds.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we're gonna hear from Dave in a couple seconds here. But I wanna just get into this idea of whistleblowing. This used to be something the media was actually interested in, right? And you just are kind of filling the void of courageous expose style journalism.

[James O'Keefe]

Well, I think there's a relationship. The journalists have become slave to their access. They've become dependent on protecting the people in power. They, they want to protect the status quo. CNN invites Clapper on even though he committed perjury. They have a symbiotic relationship with the very people they're supposed to be holding accountable. So no one is willing to do this sort of aggressive watchdog journalism anymore. In the 20th century, these whistleblowers lost their mortgages, their homes, they got divorces. But now there's life after whistleblowing because of the digital age and websites like GiveSendGo, Facebook Insider, Morgan Common last month raised half a million dollars. Charlie, in 24 hours.

[Charlie Kirk]

What did he expose?

[James O'Keefe]

He released documents inside Facebook. As a software engineer, they had, quote, vaccine hesitancy. So Facebook admitted, even if what someone is saying on Facebook is true, they will censor you. And they don't want you to know that they're censoring you. And to me, that's the part that's so shocking. They want to hide what they're doing. We want transparency into big tech. So the whistleblowers are coming out in spades. Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you got onto this years ago. First, of course, the Andrew Breitbart, Hannah Giles story. And it's an amazing, it's an amazing story. Your book is called two books.

[James O'Keefe]

One's called Breakthrough. That was the coming of age of me getting arrested and facing the retaliation and enduring that. The second one's called American Pravda, which is about the 2016 election and exposing bird dogging at rallies. And there's a new one, Charlie, we're just announcing this weekend called American Muckraker. This is a very ambitious book. It's coming out in January, but I just announced it today. And this one's really about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can people pre order it?

[James O'Keefe]

Yeah, as of today, yes, it's on Amazon.

[Charlie Kirk]

Go buy a book.

[James O'Keefe]

The book is called American Muckraker Rethinking journalism for the 21st century. And this book is really an ambitious book. I read a hundred books about journalism in the 20th century, and what I've realized is that there is sort of life after whistleblowing. Now there's a different era, but we have to reinvent or recreate the era of Upton Sinclair and Ida Tarbell, Ida B. Wells, Lincoln Stevens, all of these folks.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, Ida B. Wells and others. I was actually going to ask you about this. What's the common theme of the great pieces of journalism of that that exposed the Teapot Dome scandal, expose the Chicago stockyards?

[James O'Keefe]

It's not black or white. I think there's a. Again, journalism, you have this dichotomy between access and autonomy. In other words, you have this tension between burning your source and protecting your source. And veritas, I think we strike that balance. In other words, these guys are literally risking their lives and their reputations and they're being fired from their jobs. For the public's right to know. I think journalism has become so bastardized. CNN is saying the opposite of what is reality. So in the 20th century, you had these muckraking newspaper reporters. I think the 1960s, 1970s Chicago Sun Times, you had people who would go undercover. They don't do that anymore because they don't want to shake the apple cart.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you think it's because it's a corporate project?

[James O'Keefe]

It's a really. We talked about this last time. It is not an. It's not just politics. It's fear. It's, it's the consolidation of media and newspapers. It's tech companies preferring in their algorithms the New York Times and cnn. It's the bifurcation of the American economy. It's, it's a lot of things. And, but now what I've realized is that the journalism depends upon citizens. It depends upon the people that we brought on stage today. It depends upon all of you guys do the work.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so recently you had a couple, another whistleblower with a local Fox station tell us about that.

[James O'Keefe]

That was Ivory Hecker in Houston, Texas. Ivory was doing a story on the Texas heat wave, and she went on the air a month ago and basically said, I'm being muzzled by my TV station. What was happening, Charlie, in Houston was Fox 26 local affiliate was saying, you cannot report on hydrochloroquine. You cannot talk about hydroxychloroquine. They also said that she can't report like a bitcoin story because they said, well, you know, this is their words, not mine. They said, african Americans don't care about bitcoin stories. So that was, again, journalism has become corrupted. And Ivory was so outraged that she decided to go on air in a very theatrical way and say, they're muzzling me. And they fired her. And as a result of what Ivory did, it inspired another whistleblower, April Moss, to come forward from CBS Detroit.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they're getting top down orders not to pursue certain stories, right?

[James O'Keefe]

So they said, we don't care about our audience, about what our CEO cares about. So they were saying out loud what we all know to be true. And I think journalism, it is a, you know, you run a foundation, I run a foundation. We're a non for profit. And I do think that the commercial imperative interferes with truth telling because there is no. I wrote in this book American Muckraker, which you all. I don't, I don't do a shameless plug. This is a book that I don't get any of the money. It all goes to Project Veritas. I say in American Mockraker, you almost have to be a masochist to expose the truth. You have to jump on grenades. You have to face indictments and arrests and false accusations. You have to endure suffering if you want to be a truth teller. And that's what these people do. And it's our job to, to have their back.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's talk about another project you have, which is your Lawfare project, right? You're getting very involved in suing companies and you call this retracto too.

[James O'Keefe]

And you get that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can you walk us through this entire thing?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, Veritas has essentially become kind of a law firm because in order to tell the truth, and again, historically, journalists settled scores of lawsuits. 60 Minutes settled dozens, if not hundreds of lawsuits. People don't remember that in the 1980s. CNN settles lawsuits all the time, but they don't have that appear on their Wikipedia page. Charlie, if you read my Wikipedia page, it literally makes people shriek because they're like, this is crazy. This guy, doctors footage, he's a criminal. I personally settled one lawsuit in 2009 because I recorded someone without them knowing I was present in that conversation. I decided early on that in order to do what I have to do, I can't settle litigation. So we've taken lawsuits all the way to federal trials, jury trials, and we've won, we have not lost one lawsuit at Project Veritas. And we've sued, most recently on offense, the New York Times for defamation and one of a handful of people to get past motion to dismiss. Which means we get to put New York Times reporters in a room under oath, on videotape and ask them all types of questions which are required by law to answer.

[Charlie Kirk]

How long has it taken you to get to that step with the New York Times?

[James O'Keefe]

It's cost us $300,000 and it's taken us about six months.

[Charlie Kirk]

Six months, yeah. What was the complaint?

[James O'Keefe]

The complaint was a defamation lawsuit against the New York Times after reporter Maggie Astor reported that we had made a, quote, decept video that was disinformation. And the video showed a Somali guy. Remember this one from September?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah, the b. The ballot harvesting guy.

[James O'Keefe]

He's like, I have ballots. I have lots of ballots. And he says, one of the guys say, I don't care that it's illegal. They were literally bragging on video. And the New York Times comes out and said, well, this is disinformation campaign. So what you begin to realize is that what they do is they project onto us what they are. So they're doing disinformation. They're collaborating with Stanford Institute of God, some professor in some room who just writes some opinion. They cite the opinion as facts. And it's not so. Most journalists don't actually materially lie. These hyperbole and circumstantial evidence and hearsay and they circularly source the quotes and before you know it, you have this vortex of propaganda. So we said, enough is enough. We are suing the New York Times. I'm suing cnn, I'm suing Twitter. I will depose you under oath. If it cost me $10 million, I don't care, so help me God, I'll raise the money. So far we've raised the money. We got past motion to dismiss.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So that's the key though, right? Because a judge sometimes throws this stuff

[James O'Keefe]

out and that would be the greatest travesty of injustice known to man. And it happens, Charlie, because most lawyers are risk averse cowards and they don't want their clients to talk about what's going on. I don't get it. I've told my lawyers we are going to be public about the process. If any judge is so utterly irrational that they make a mockery of the rule of law, we will merely quote the Order. We quote the transcripts in the New York Times response to our defamation lawsuit. Charlie. They admitted the New York Times was forced to answer questions because we got past motion to dismiss. The New York Times admitted in court they didn't even call anyone for comment. They admitted in court they got the facts wrong in the article. And Lebon Mohamed, they said they did break the law, but they reported in the article that he didn't. So the New York Times has admitted in court something, and they still haven't corrected the article. So we're making a mockery of them by virtue of what they've done. Most clients don't do that because the lawyers say, don't say a word. Don't say a word. Don't talk about your case.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are you planning to settle?

[James O'Keefe]

If the New York Times offered me $100 million, I'd tell them to go F themselves.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hundred million dollars, you got no price.

[James O'Keefe]

What's the market cap? The New York Times?

[Charlie Kirk]

Probably $4 billion.

[James O'Keefe]

Okay, that's my price.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Is it 4.8. Am I right, Matthew? I know my low cap.

[James O'Keefe]

What's the current market cap of the New York Times?

[Charlie Kirk]

I will bet you it's five. I think it's seven. I know my market cap, the New York Times. I know my small cap. Publicly traded NASDAQ stocks that no one looks at.

[James O'Keefe]

I don't know about that. But if the New York Times has to offer me one penny about their current market cap, that might be.

[Charlie Kirk]

My certificates of ownership is your full liquidation of James o' Keefe Enterprises.

[James O'Keefe]

What they need to do is they need to correct the damn article. Listen, this is a Orwellian thing, you know, two plus two equals four. They've admitted this is very important. I know we're in the weeds here. I'm gonna get in the weeds. It's important that you understand the nuances. The New York Times admitted in the Supreme Court of the State of New York that they got the facts wrong. We got it signed by the New York Times lawyers, but they still haven't corrected the article. If that isn't defamation, what is? If that isn't actual malice, meaning they know they're lying, then what is? You tell me.

[Charlie Kirk]

How did you choose which Internet service provider to use? The sad thing is most of us have very little choice because ISPs operate like monopolies in the regions that they serve. They then use this monopoly power to take advantage of customers. Data caps, streaming throttles, and the list goes on. But worst of all, many ISPs log your Internet activity and sell that data onto other big tech companies or Advertisers. To prevent ISPs from seeing my Internet activity, I protect all my devices with Express VPN. So what is ExpressVPN? It's a simple app for your computer or smartphone that encrypts all your network data and tunnels it through a secure VPN server so that ISP cannot search or see any of your activity. ExpressVPN does all this without slowing down your connection. That's why I have it on all my devices. In fact, I just looked at it right now. So stop handing over all of your personal data to ISPs and tech giants who mine your activity and sell off your information. Protect yourself with ExpressVPN.com Charlie E X P-R-E-S-S VPN.com Charlie to get three extra months free. Go to ExpressVPN.com Charlie right now to learn more. Do you think that conservatives need to

[James O'Keefe]

sue more if they are being defamed? I think that libel law, I think it's very hard. And Neil Gorsuch did a great dissent on a recent case involving Times v. Sullivan, which I think is bad law.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's awful law.

[James O'Keefe]

I think. I think the actual malice standard of public figures is too high. I think it's impossible to be held liable for anything. And I think because Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and Google prefer the New York Times and their algorithms, that gives them infinite power. In other words, the New York Times and CNN have as much power as Google, Facebook, and Twitter does. Because of that, I think that people need to start suing for defamation. We need a People's Defamation defense fund in this country. And the lawyers need to understand, because I'm going to make a gross generalization. It's true. Most lawyers are cowards. And the litigation business is a racket and they want money and they charge $1,000 an hour. It's disgusting. But we need clients who have good fact patterns to sue. If they're defamed by the New York Times and I got to lead the charge, I'm happy to do it.

[Charlie Kirk]

What lawyers are you using then, to kind of pioneer ahead?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, I'm using Harmeet Dhillon.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, she's great.

[James O'Keefe]

And. And Ron Coleman, who's awesome.

[Charlie Kirk]

But they're gonna be at risk of being disbarred.

[James O'Keefe]

Well, that's why they're so courageous.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[James O'Keefe]

And people say I'm at risk for being disbarred.

[Charlie Kirk]

Meanwhile, if you like the ambulance chasers they never get disbarred.

[James O'Keefe]

They never get disbarred. That's what I write about in American Muckraker. There's a perverse incentive to do the wrong thing because it'll be rewarded in society if you don't tell the truth. If you do tell the truth, you'll be punished. So there's a perverse incentive. But what we got to find, Charlie, is the lawyers who are brave, working with a great firm right now with the New York Times case. What's the name of it, Nancy? The name of Claire. Claire Lock, who? And they've successfully gotten a spass motion to dismiss. And we're making videos about these lawsuits and we're going through the videos and we're showing people the motions. And we're showing people, you know, that they cited Wikipedia in a legal motion, the New York Times.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who's representing them? Perkins Coy?

[James O'Keefe]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Huh.

[James O'Keefe]

I think so. I think so. I'm gonna.

[Charlie Kirk]

How about Kirkland Ellis?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, they have a general counsel cited Wikipedia and they said, well, o' Keeffe is libel proof.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, they're gonna farm out the other side. Guarantee it.

[James O'Keefe]

They say o' Keeffe is libel proof.

[Charlie Kirk]

Libel proof.

[James O'Keefe]

Because Wikipedia says mean things about him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[James O'Keefe]

And they thought that I wouldn't publish. Publish this. But I did. They weren't expecting that, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you have risk averse lawyers that are willing to push through this stuff. What, what districts are you suing in?

[James O'Keefe]

We're suing New York Times and state

[Charlie Kirk]

court in New York. And you're having judges that are allowing this stuff to proceed?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, again, yes, but we've won seven lawsuits in a row. And people say, well, that must be because you have good judges. No, it's because we're on the right side of the facts and the law. And in North Carolina, we had a federal judge rule on a directed verdict, which means the jury came out. I mean, this is something out of a movie. And the federal judge gaveled the case and said, this is absurd. And I'm gonna paraphrase the federal judge. Cause cameras were not allowed in courtrooms. He said he looked over at the plaintiff who was suing me, said if Mike Wallace at 60 Minutes were sued for this, people would laugh. Their whole argument rests on the case that I'm not a journalist. But you can go back to your philosophy class. I mean, you know, you are who you. You are what you do. You're defined by your actions. They rely upon their own credibility by virtue of their own decree that they're Credible?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[James O'Keefe]

They rely on the fact that, well, I'm the Washington Post, you should believe me. But the facts show that you're wrong. It doesn't matter. I'm the Washington Post. So every argument they make in court is fallacious. Every argument they make in court is anathema to logic. They say, well, but he's o', Keefe, he's a criminal. And the judge says, but what has he done? Well, doctors videos. Can you give me a specific example of a video he's doctored? When you actually put them under oath, they can't answer that question. Federal judge gavels the case, looks at the plaintiff and says, if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're saying, Mike Wallace is dead. He was a 60 minute Chris Wallace's

[Charlie Kirk]

Chris Wallace, who was the original. Gotcha.

[James O'Keefe]

The original undercover. He said, if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James o' Keefe for, people in this courtroom would laugh. Case dismissed. It cost us $2 million to take them all the way to a jury verdict. But we did the New York Times. This is the Shirley Teeter case. Bob Creamer, your friend in Chicago.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah, my friend. Yeah.

[James O'Keefe]

I'm just kidding.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm friend with thug union organizers.

[James O'Keefe]

I'm being specific.

[Charlie Kirk]

That are married to Jan Chakowski.

[James O'Keefe]

I know these are my friends, but he's in your backyard. You're from Chicago.

[Charlie Kirk]

Proximity is friendship.

[James O'Keefe]

I'm kidding. I could give it to you. You give it to me. So Chicago, he's married to Jan Schakowski. He sues U.S. illinois 6th District for reporting what his colleagues.

[Charlie Kirk]

I remember this was a great video.

[James O'Keefe]

This is one of your favorites.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know. I mention it all the time.

[James O'Keefe]

It was cited by Trump in the debate. Yeah, Bob Creamer on tape saying it was Hillary's idea to have these costumes and bird dogging and whatnot. And you know what? He sues me for defamation. And the media reports that part. But what they don't report is the fact that it was gaveled on a Rule 50 directed verdict in federal court. They selectively edit that out, that Shirley Teeter sued me for defamation. So the moral of the story is you can't settle litigation. You have to take them all the way to the end. And that's what we do at project.

[Charlie Kirk]

Isn't it exhausting? I mean, you're open to discovery then on the other side.

[James O'Keefe]

Sure, I got nothing to hide. They do. The only thing that I can hide, I have a First amendment right to protect, you know, freedom of association, rights for the donors to our nonprofit, I

[Charlie Kirk]

can protect and communications with them.

[James O'Keefe]

With them, I can protect sources. But everything else, I got to be an open book, and that's the difference.

[Charlie Kirk]

But isn't it exhausting to have to open up?

[James O'Keefe]

Everything's exhausting. Life is hard, and people work hard in all different types of professions. But this is sort of our cross to bear. And we, you know, we. Our team. We try to get a team of people who believe so much in what they're doing that, you know, they. They do the right thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I want to get to David in a second, but I have a question unrelated to this. Can you explain the melodrama thing that you're, like, the music man or like Oklahoma and like, the dancing?

[James O'Keefe]

Do I. Can I explain the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, like, just explain the entire new, like, evolution. Like James O' Keefe 2.0.

[James O'Keefe]

I've always been musical. I was.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, just like, the whole thing. Like, you wear bulletproof vests and you dye your hair and, you know, like, the, you know, Gary, Indiana thing or whatever doing.

[James O'Keefe]

You want me to explain the fact

[Charlie Kirk]

that I'm like, 76 trombones come marching in. Whatever. The whole thing you're doing is right?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, you know, I think that politics is downstream from culture, and I think I'm probably not motivated by politics. I think I'm more of an artistic person. And I think, you know, cinema verite, which is project veritas, we show the truth in 24 frames per second. And essentially, you know, we believe in, you know, we put music in our videos. We. We made a music video about Jack Dorsey and cnn. It was very funny, and I'm glad you liked it. I know that you did. And we have dancers that come on stage here, and we do a whole. A whole production. We, you know, we produce our videos. And I've always been a theatrical person. I think I'm more motivated by the artistic exposing the truth aspects than politics. And I think that's just who I am, and I've always been that way. I did the Acorn story. I put a pimp costume on in the bumper, and everyone gave me grief about it. Hannah wore the prostitution get up in the office. We brought the fur into the office. But, you know, Andrew taught me early on that, you know, it's a cultural fight.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[James O'Keefe]

And I think more people need to. Need to, you know, dye their hair and make music videos.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Gonna pass on that for now, but

[James O'Keefe]

that was a dig, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I could tell. So, no, I have a lot of people ask about it. I actually kind of like it. The way I look at it is you're just kind of owning this entire fighting the world. Yeah, I might as well have fun while I'm. Well, we don't.

[James O'Keefe]

We don't like.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, like, that's kind of how I view it.

[James O'Keefe]

We don't like to pretend. I don't like to pretend. A lot of people in politics pretend. I'm not a pretender. I don't. I like to be who I am. And I think the people that come to us appreciate that. And I can't pretend. So that's who I am. This is what I do. And so much of exposing the reality of the world is, is to sometimes ridicule the world, to effectively ridicule them. It's impossible to counteract ridicule. They do it all the time. They make movies, they make art. And I think we're fighting the powers that be, we're fighting the establishment. And this is what we do. This is what Project Veritas is about.

[Charlie Kirk]

As you know, my friend Mike Lindell has a passion to help everyone. Get the best sleep of your life. He didn't stop by simply creating the best pillow. Mike created the new Giza Dream bed sheets. They look and feel great, which means an even better night's sleep for me, which is what's crucial for my busy schedule. Mike found the world's best cotton, called Giza. It's ultra soft and breathable, but extremely durable. Mike's Giza sheets come with a 60 day money back guarantee and a 10 year warranty. The first night you sleep on Giza sheets, you will never want to sleep on anything else. Giza Dream sheets come in a variety of sizes and colors. Mike is making a special offer for my listeners. You receive two for the one low price plus free shipping. Go to mypillow.com and click on the Radio Listener square and use promo code Kirk. There you'll find not only this amazing offer, but also deep discounts on all Mypillow products, including the MyPillow mattress topper, MyPillow towel sets, and so much more. Call 1-800-875-0425. Use the promo code KIRK. Go to MyPillow.com and make sure you use the promo code K I R K David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. You are one of the new whistleblowers here for Project Veritas and you work for a toy design and manufacturing company. Is that a good way to describe it?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yeah, I work for Hasbro right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hasbro and you at our event uncovered that there's critical race theory training or something around that floor is yours. Tell us about it. Sure.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

So I decided to come to Project Veritas because I was asked to go. Well, I was kind of told to go to a critical race theory training at Hasbro. At first, I didn't think it was going to be anything too incriminating, but I just decided to record it just because I've been watching critical race theory and intersectionality just kind of spreading through our country and our institutions for years now. So I'm like, I'll record it. And then it actually started, and then my jaw hit the floor. And so I was like, I need to send this to people. They need to know what's happening.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so what is your role with Hasbro?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

I'm packaging engineer.

[Charlie Kirk]

Packaging engineer. What was involved in the training?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

The training? It was just a video of showing, like, children at different developmental stages and then stating at what developmental stage how much racial bias they're exhibiting.

[Charlie Kirk]

So how young did they get? Do they say three year olds, even five year olds?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

I think the earliest was six months.

[Charlie Kirk]

Six months. So in this. Is this training mandatory at Hasbro?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

It was mandatory for me. I don't know how many times they've done it before this. I would say this was at least the second training.

[Charlie Kirk]

So just some understanding this. One of the largest toy manufacturers in the world is making their employees learn that the toys they're making might be made for a bunch of little racists or something.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yes. They want to use toys to kind of teach children about racial biases, to, I guess, maybe kind of correct what they see as some kind of wrong, but it's just going to make more children discriminate based on race.

[Charlie Kirk]

Did they say that part out loud? Did they say that now we have to fix this? In the toy manufacturing business, they said

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

something along the lines of they have a responsibility because they have such wide access to children.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, really? So that's pretty creepy, honestly. Like, did I just say that? Like, it's really kind of perverted. And so you're a shipping engineer and you saw this and you were inspired then to do something about it? Walk us through that. Was there a moment where you were wrestling with. Man, I don't know if I got it in me to do this.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Well, I was already recording it, but before I sent it off to Veritas, I kind of hesitated. I'm like, if I send this, I don't know what's going to happen from here. I can't predict anything that's gonna come forward. But I figured it was important enough that no matter what happened to me, that people needed to know about it to protect their children.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you did the courageous thing.

[James O'Keefe]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the right thing. So tell us, what, then motivated you to send it? Because there was that moment of strong struggle. So we have thousands of people listening to this that are in college right now that have footage that you have, but they haven't yet done anything with it. What. What motivated you to then send that?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

I think I just thought about what the consequences were like if I didn't do anything. If I didn't send it, then it would continue to be pushed at Hasbro, and I don't know how many children they would be able to indoctrinate through that. But just there's too much critical race theory in our institutions already. So I figured if I could do anything to just kind of push back against it, then it would be worth it.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's. If thousands of other people, when they came across this stuff, exposed it, then there would be a movement against it. Now, what makes this work is now James is saying, I'm gonna catch you when you fall, because I'm guessing you're gonna get a letter or an email or something. I could be wrong.

[James O'Keefe]

Well, they have to go through me to get to him, and that's what, you know, we do.

[Charlie Kirk]

We were able so to walk us through that.

[James O'Keefe]

James is exactly what I mean. In order for them to do anything to him, they have to go through Project Veritas.

[Charlie Kirk]

What do you mean, lawsuit wise?

[James O'Keefe]

You name it. Getting sued. They have. I'll. I'll pay his legal bills. I don't think they want to sue. They haven't sued any of the whistleblowers thus far because they wouldn't want to bring attention. They're bringing publicity to what he's effectively documenting. So they haven't done that. So it's kind of jiu jitsu. David versus Goliath. Jiu jitsu. And I said on stage here at Turning Point, you know, the. You know, David, literally, David. David is his name versus Goliath. David is getting new strength, and Goliath, which is his organization he works for, is being attacked on all sides. And what's remarkable, Charlie, is that after David did what he did over the weekend, we reached out for comment to Hasbro. And when we reached out for comment, our comms team sent them an email. Someone privately reached out to our ProtonMail and said, Hey, I work on the comms team. I love what he's doing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow.

[James O'Keefe]

We have that person's name, and we're meeting with that person, you know, now. So it's just this thing that happens. It metastasizes. And the thing that's most remarkable about David is his courage, the courage to do the right thing. Not knowing if you're going to land with a safety net. And it's kind of become this movement.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, David, you could lose your job.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Probably will.

[Charlie Kirk]

How are you okay with that?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

There are more important things than money.

[Charlie Kirk]

We get thousands of emails every day of people that say, charlie, I might lose my job. I hope they all take this very seriously. And also, Veritas is a resource to be able to catch them when they fall. And you're right, there are more important things than money. And obviously, I mean, money's quite honestly not very important in regards to having a functioning society.

[James O'Keefe]

I think most people. There are psychological studies, which I don't have handy right now, but most people would rather they're more afraid of losing what they have than gaining what they don't. So most people don't approach life in the way that David does. But I would think there's thousands of people who do approach life.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So it's actually. I have this written. I was actually looking for it during the conversation. It's Brett Weinstein. It's called loss aversion.

[James O'Keefe]

Loss aversion. Can you tell? I don't even remember what it goes.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's. Yeah, loss aversion, which is. And this really explains the billionaire class in America really well, is that someone who has a billion dollars will do almost anything to make sure you don't lose that billion dollars. Right. So someone is much more. We are as human beings, and some would make an evolutionary argument for this. I'm not going to get into that right now. That we're much more afraid of losing what we already have than trying to risk something to gain. Right. And so because of that, almost our entire society and human action is hardwired against preserving what you already have. That includes job, social status, friendships, networking opportunities, Instagram followers, Twitter accounts, employment, college acceptance, scholarships. And so we're willing to do things that are even compromise our own values to then try to protect what we already have. And then there's a second psychological study that shows this, which Veritas is pushing back against, which is called the Asch Conformity Test, which is when they brought five people into a room and four of them were in on it, and one person was the test subject, and the four People who were in on it all agreed, based on the trial, to, to when asked, pick the shortest line and say the shortest line was actually the longest line. So they'd all go into the room, all five of them, four people being in on it together, one person being tested, and they'd go down the line, which line is the longest line? And they'd all say together, the one that was intentionally wrong. And 75% of the time, the last person who answered would agree with what their line, would disagree with what their eyes said, but would agree with the first four answers ahead of them.

[James O'Keefe]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

And because why, when asked about it, they'd say, well, I was afraid of the mockery or ridicule. They were. They were afraid of losing social status.

[James O'Keefe]

Yep, that's. But there are increasingly people that are not. And the increased value people place on politics, the political variables. There's going to be more courage, more people coming out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you want to see more people do what you've done?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yes. I think that if everyone who opposed, like, critical theory, critical race, critical gender theory just came out at once and said, enough, we'd probably be done with this tomorrow. But it's scary because the institutions just have so much power. You might lose your job, you might lose some friends. Well, kind of friends. But it's, it's important. People need to do it. They need to have some courage.

[Charlie Kirk]

Tell me about your background. What, what, what led you in your life to all of a sudden fight a multi billion dollar creepy toy toy manufacturer?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Um, I don't know. I. I come from, like, pretty, I think, standard background. Like, I went to college at rit, so I, I've had like some pretty, I guess, prestigious jobs, like, jobs I paid well, but I've also worked in factories and cleaning floors. Like, so I've just, I've met a lot of people and just. I'm not really concerned with social status all that much. I've never really thought about it too much. It's weird to be in this kind of position. Position.

[Charlie Kirk]

But that's exactly. You're perfect for it.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

I don't know. They. They made me necessary pushing all this crt.

[Charlie Kirk]

So when did you first get made aware of the idea of critical race theory as just a citizen?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

A long time ago, but it was mostly called, like, intersectionality. This was like six or seven years.

[Charlie Kirk]

So is this when you were at college? Yes. So RIT is the Rhode Island.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

No, Rochester Institute of Technology.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. Okay, so. But Hasbro is in Rhode island, right?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yes, I work remotely for Hasbro okay, so you got.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it was first called intersectionality. And when all of a sudden, did you all send, say, this is not good for our society?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Around the time where I noticed colleges had, like, segregated. They're starting to do segregated graduations. And they were just calling them, like, people of color only. And I'm just like, that. That looks like you're saying colored people. And I had a real problem with that. And then I just started to pay more attention. And then I noticed, like, it's in our media, it's obviously in colleges, and it's just spreading more and more. It's in our military now.

[Charlie Kirk]

So did you see what happened on college campuses? Then get into your corporate boardrooms, like, into Hasbro?

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yeah. So it was just kind of like a slap in the face. Because, like, it's one thing to just watch YouTube videos of, like, people talking about CRT or intersectionality. It's a whole other thing when you're called into a meeting and. And they're telling you, hey, so this is what we're going to be doing from now on.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it's policy. This wasn't just some, you know, wackadoodle. Robin Diangelo is going to come give an optional, you know, speech. Right. We're going to pay her $900,000 to tell us about how racist we are. Right. This is policy, I think.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Well, it's Hasbro working with another company called the Conscious Kid. Yeah, I've heard they want to make sure that their ideology is pushed out every level of Hasbro.

[Charlie Kirk]

Everybody listening. I'm gonna write this down because I. Conscious Kid, I've had three people mention them. They're this kind of, like, consulting, kind of world transformation group that's basically going around trying to teach people how racist your children are.

[David (Hasbro Whistleblower)]

Yeah, they're. They're not like, I don't know how big the company itself is, but they have big partners. Like, they work with YouTube and Google and the NFL. Like, that's. Those are major players.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I hope everyone understands this. And by the way, James, this is a great thing for you to expose in the coming months and years that there's this kind of, like, offensive coordinator equivalent, use a football analogy, of these consulting companies that are kind of choreographing all of this stuff, and they're seed. Funded by the big tech companies, and they go into all these corporations, and that's why you find unified messaging at every single one of these companies, because these people come in with these playbooks and they implement it, and that's what you saw at Hasbro. Yep. In closing, James, how can people. I give you a hard time, but you. But that's because I actually respect what you're doing. But everyone, in all seriousness, should support Project Veritas, one of the few organizations actually doing something. You are doing amazing on our stage at our student Action Summit.

[James O'Keefe]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I hope all of our students are motivated to expose things on their college campuses.

[James O'Keefe]

As I was standing in line with David, you know, we did a little book signing and some took some photos. There were people coming up to us inside companies here at your conference. I can't say the names of those companies, but apparently your students or their guests were coming up to us. And I mean this. I appreciate you letting us go over time. Today we had five people on stage. David was the grand finale. And every time one of we do this, there's another few dozen. So I think there's a movement.

[Charlie Kirk]

The crowd was pretty amazing.

[James O'Keefe]

I mean, the energy was probably the best I've been to. I don't know how many have been doing this with you for seven years. Six years. And the energy today was probably the best energy I've ever felt. Felt. They were shouting, David. Dave was like, tears are coming to my eyes. Or David. David. I mean, it was really special. And. And we're getting tips as right now as I speak. So it's like a movement of 100,000 people. I don't think people believe that this is possible, Charlie. They think that I'm crazy, but they don't believe it's possible until it happens because it isn't possible until it is. So veritas [e-mail] that's veritas tipsrotonmail.com to do what he did. The book is out. All the proceeds go to Project Veritas Foundation. It's called American Muckraker and you can pre order it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Today you are in the courage business. You people that are courageous.

[James O'Keefe]

Yes, that's right. Exactly. We're in the courage business.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this is the closing thing. We talk a lot about courage on this show. We talk about the ancient Greek definition of courage because that's the big gap we have right now in America. Your phrase at Project Veritas is be brave. Do something. There's someone listening right now. They probably are just. They stop their car in their driveway and they have a pit in their stomach because they work for Goldman Sachs and they know they could be that next whistleblower.

[James O'Keefe]

I think you have to make a decision about whether you, when People say pursuit of happiness, which is what was written in the declaration independence. I think there's also the pursuit of meaning. And courage is the virtue that sustains all other things, all of the virtues. Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

You've read your Aristotle, right?

[James O'Keefe]

So courage is the virtue that sustains all the other great things that we need to courage. You need courage to love. You need courage to do what he did. So, you know, yes, there are ups and downs. People don't like the volatility. They want to just maintain. But there are some things more important than maintaining. To quote your loss aversion. Loss aversion thing. And I just think that, you know, follow David's lead. He's an inspirational guy. He's a good man who believes in what he's doing and we all do. And we need more people like this. And they'll have to go through me to get to him and whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got a bulletproof vest on.

[James O'Keefe]

And I got a bulletproof vest.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're in Oklahoma, so good luck.

[James O'Keefe]

You gotta do the right thing in life, and that's what matters. And I think that it's not the politicians who are gonna help this country. It's people like him. We just need hundreds of people like him. They just need to give the permission to do it. They need to know that they can do it and they can do it.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's more. This new wrink of at Veritas is amazing where it's not just the undercover thing, but now it's the whistleblower thing both combined, which is just what I know and saying, but it's a force multiplier.

[James O'Keefe]

It is. It's. It's a movement never been done. We're pioneering. We're making it happen. And David assumes new strength while Goliath is attacked on all sides. And I said in my closing line, the hunter becomes the quarry, the hunter becomes the hunted. They fear him more than he fears them.

[Charlie Kirk]

So many people, and I hope you know this, David, Members of the ruling class have had to see their doctors recently because James o' Keefe keeps them up at night. James o', Keefe, God bless you. Be brave and do something. Thanks so much.

[James O'Keefe]

Cheers.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts freedomarliekirk.com if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com and if you want to support our program, go to charliekirk.com support thanks so much for listening, everybody. God bless you. Speak to you soon.

[James O'Keefe]

For more on many of these stories and news, you can trust. Go to charliekirk.com.