Putting the Heat on GOP Senators ft. Megyn Kelly

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – "Putting the Heat on GOP Senators ft. Megyn Kelly"

Release Date: February 3, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Megyn Kelly

In this compelling episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk, along with his guest Megyn Kelly, delves into the intense political maneuvers surrounding the confirmation hearings of prominent figures Tulsi Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (RFK Jr.) for high-ranking government positions. The discussion traverses the complexities of bipartisan dynamics within the GOP, the integrity of the intelligence and health sectors, and broader concerns about public health and the influence of the pharmaceutical industry.

1. Tulsi Gabbard's Confirmation for Director of National Intelligence (DNI)

The episode begins with an in-depth analysis of Tulsi Gabbard's recent confirmation hearing for the position of Director of National Intelligence.

• Performance and Challenges:
  Tulsi Gabbard faced rigorous questioning during her hearing, particularly from Senator Susan Collins of Maine. Gabbard maintained a poised and articulate demeanor throughout, countering allegations and defending her qualifications. Kirk notes, “[00:55] Bobby Kennedy: I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy... Turning Point USA.”

• Senate Dynamics:
  Charlie Kirk highlights the precarious nature of Gabbard's confirmation, emphasizing the pivotal role of swing votes. He states, “[03:45] Charlie Kirk: We have a 53 Senate majority... How will Lankford vote? How will Todd Young vote? We don't know.”

• Significance of the DNI Role:
  Kirk underscores the importance of the DNI in safeguarding national secrets and preventing potential "soft coups" against the presidency. He elaborates on the historical context of the position, noting its creation post-9/11 to unify intelligence agencies.

• Potential Outcomes:
  Discussing the likelihood of Gabbard's confirmation, Kirk expresses cautious optimism, attributing support to senators like Tom Cotton who publicly back her. He warns against the secrecy surrounding the vote, remarking, “[Charlie Kirk]: I think democracy dies in darkness. Hey, Washington Post, any interest in this one?”

2. RFK Jr.'s Confirmation for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

The conversation shifts to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s confirmation hearings, focusing on his stance on vaccines and pharmaceutical regulations.

• Vaccine Skepticism and Hearings:
  RFK Jr. faced intense scrutiny over his views on vaccines, particularly the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine. During his hearing, RFK Jr. challenged the safety and necessity of certain vaccines, leading to a heated exchange with Senator Bill Cassidy.

• Rand Paul's Intervention:
  Senator Rand Paul notably intervened during Cassidy's questioning, criticizing the mandate of the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns and advocating for greater transparency. As RFK Jr. discusses, “[15:10] Rand Paul: ...they say mercury is totally safe.”

• Charlie Kirk's Critique:
  Kirk vehemently criticizes the current vaccination schedule, labeling it “insane” and questioning the lack of transparency and freedom of choice. He asserts, “[32:26] Tulsi Gabbard: ...Bobby's past work to ask questions about it is in the past. He's not going to make this an issue.”

• Implications for Public Health Policies:
  The discussion touches on the broader implications of RFK Jr.'s potential FDA leadership, including the possibility of reforming vaccine mandates and addressing concerns about pharmaceutical influence.

3. Broader Public Health Concerns

Beyond the confirmation hearings, Kirk and Gabbard explore overarching issues within the American healthcare system.

• Healthcare System Critique:
  Kirk laments the state of public health, pointing out the paradox of technological advancements juxtaposed with rising rates of obesity, mental health issues, and substance abuse. He remarks, “[Charlie Kirk]: We are the sickest we've ever been as a country.”

• Pharmaceutical Industry Influence:
  The duo criticizes the pharmaceutical industry's hold over healthcare policies, suggesting that profit motives undermine public health. Kirk illustrates this point by discussing the promotion of drugs like Ozempic for obesity, arguing that they address symptoms rather than root causes. “[Charlie Kirk]: These major conglomerates have no interest in actually having a healthy population.”

• Vaccination Concerns:
  The conversation delves into vaccine safety, side effects, and the stigmatization of individuals who experience adverse reactions. Gabbard shares personal experiences and anecdotes to highlight the need for more transparent and patient-centered healthcare practices.

4. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode draws to a close, Charlie Kirk emphasizes the importance of transparency, accountability, and informed decision-making within government institutions. He calls for active participation from listeners to support candidates who prioritize these values, particularly in the contexts of intelligence and health administration.

• Call to Action:
  Kirk urges listeners to engage with Turning Point USA and participate in the democratic process to influence positive change. “[Charlie Kirk]: We are the sickest we've ever been as a country. So think about it.”

Notable Quotes

• Charlie Kirk on Sen. Susan Collins:
  “[03:45] Charlie Kirk: We have a 53 Senate majority...”

• Rand Paul on Vaccine Transparency:
  “[15:10] Rand Paul: ...they say mercury is totally safe.”

• Tulsi Gabbard on Vaccine Injuries:
  “[10:46] Tulsi Gabbard: ...I'm not sure how well.”

• Charlie Kirk on Public Health:
  “[28:48] Charlie Kirk: ...we are the sickest we've ever been as a country.”

Key Takeaways

• Political Maneuvering: The confirmation hearings of Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. highlight deep divisions and strategic voting within the GOP, reflecting broader tensions in American politics.

• Healthcare Reform: There is a pressing need for reform in the healthcare system, emphasizing patient autonomy, vaccine transparency, and reduction of pharmaceutical influence.

• Public Engagement: Active participation and informed decision-making by citizens are crucial in shaping policies that prioritize national security and public health.

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show offers a thorough examination of critical issues at the intersection of politics, intelligence, and public health, urging listeners to remain vigilant and proactive in advocating for transparency and integrity within government institutions.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey everybody.

[Megyn Kelly]

I had a great discussion with the legendary Megyn Kelly on her podcast. Make sure you check out her podcast and subscribe to the Megyn Kelly show about what happened over the Potomac, dei, affirmative action, the faa, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, and more. This is a little snippet. You can listen to the entire conversation on the Megyn Kelly Podcast. Email me as always, freedomarliekirk.com and get involved with turningpoint [e-mail] turnpoint that is tpusa.com as always, I encourage you to do what that's right, become a member. Members are what keeps this show alive and strong. So become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk.com Buckle up everybody. Here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I want you to know we are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Bobby Kennedy]

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit and his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Tulsi Gabbard]

So yesterday we had hearings for Cash, Patel, Tulsi, Gabbard, and the second day for rfkj. I sat in for an hour plus of the Tulsi hearing and it was rather disheartening. I did not feel encouraged about her chances by the time I was done. But then later I felt encouraged when I heard what Susan Collins, who is this, you know, kind of Democrat masquerading as a Republican from Maine said about her impressions. I mean, Trump lost her on Hegseth. I don't think he's going to get her on rfkj. I don't know. But here's what I saw when she cross examined Tulsi yesterday. Let's start there. Look at this exchange in SOT9. Have you ever knowingly met with any members, leaders or affiliates of Hezbollah?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

And it is an Absurd accusation. Okay, so there's Tulsi pushing, pushing back on her. The cross examination by Susan Collins wasn't particularly aggressive, but it kind of sounded like that. You could argue that she was just giving her chance to respond to the things that have been alleged about her. But you could hear Tulsi sort of taking issue with the, even the suggestion, well, after the fact. Colin said, I was happy with her responses to my questions. That too is a little ambiguous. What does that mean? Like you were happy she fully answered them or you liked what you heard? But I think it's somewhat positive. Net. Net. She. I don't think she would have used the word happy if she were going to vote against her. Now that doesn't answer the question of whether Tulsi gets through because there were a lot of Republican senators there who seemed not like fans of Tulsi's. Cornyn of Texas, Lankford of Oklahoma. They did not seem like fans, Charlie. And she certainly had a few Democrats who seemed very against her. So what do you think is going to happen with Tulsi?

[Charlie Kirk]

So a couple thoughts on this. I will defend Susan Collins. She represents a very, very difficult state. She's almost always there when we need her and that's an important thing. And so I think she's getting the call of like, hey, we might need you for this one. Understand, we did not need her for Hegseth. And so I mean, of course we got to a tie. We had J.D. vance break the tie. Pete Hegseth is now the Secretary of Defense and she represents a goofy state for some of these other senators that represent deep red states, there is no excuse and there is no place to hide. But let's understand what she's actually trying to become or what she's applying for the Director of National Intelligence. This is a relatively new role. It hasn't been around for very long. It was created post 911 to actually be the connective tissue between all of the intelligence agencies. It actually is above the Central Intelligence Agency, above the CIA. It has power that has not really been exercised for quite some time. DNI is the custodian of the nation's secrets. It is the keeper of secrets from all the things that our government is doing that they don't want us to always know what they're doing. And the most pressing, of course, that matters to those of us that are Trump supporters is is there another soft coup being run through five eyes to try to thwart a sitting President of the United States? Like what happened during the first administration, during Russiagate with Christopher Steele and the dirty dossier to spy on President Trump to try to go after him and using the FBI and using secret skiffs and using outside firms like Fusion gps. Is something like that happening again and the Director of National Intelligence will be able to tell you yes or no and stop it if it's actually happening in real time. Tulsi Gabbard is an extraordinary person. Her vet file came back like clean, clean, clean. She actively has a top level security clearance, a tsci. She serves in the military. She was a former Democrat, which makes this even more interesting because she has been so focused on trying to reorient American foreign policy to a America first standpoint, not one of neo globalist internationalist wars and nation building at every single corner and every turn. Now, why is it that her confirmation is the hardest of all of them? Well, because the intel agencies are so resistant to any change. And a lot of these senators, be perfectly honest, have been fed BS by these intel agencies for so long and acting as if that they've done nothing wrong and we can't reform them and it's jeopardizing national security. Well, on the other side of it, how much damage has our intel agencies done? We invaded Iraq wrongly, by the way, because of faulty intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. We got involved in Libya, something we never should have gotten involved in was turned into Libyan civil war because we were told Muammar Gaddafi is like the worst person on the planet. Or how about all the faulty intelligence in the Russian Ukrainian war or the faulty intelligence that we've seen all across the Middle east and Syria or in parts of Lebanon. What Tulsi Gabbard wants to do is restore the integrity of the nation's intelligence service. Now there's some interesting elements in here and I've been really hammering this unsuccessfully, by the way. I think it's outrageous that they're not doing this vote in public. It is the only agency official where I think the CIA maybe, but that one wasn't as controversial where they go into a scif, a secure compartmentalized information facility, and they do this vote outside of the public eye. And I think that's outrageous. I think when you're trying to elect somebody who's a lifelong transparency advocate and you're gonna go into a secret facility and we can't see how the actually members vote, I find that to be repulsive. I think people should be incensed about that. I think that our elected officials should not operate in the shadows, that they should tell you how they Vote. And so, just to reiterate, when they. Yes. When they actually end up voting for Tulsi Gabbard, this will not be like how they vote for Bobby Kennedy, where they sit out and they say, aye, Aye. Nay. Aye. Okay, the ayes have. It goes out of committee. They go into a secret room where no cell phones, no staff, only members are allowed in a secure compartmentalized information facility, and they'll say, well, what do we think about Tulsi? And they'll take the vote, and they could decide to make the results public, or they could lie about the results, or they could do vote trading. I mean, I think the front page of a certain newspaper says, democracy dies in darkness. Hey, Washington Post, any interest in this one? Where our elected senators are going into a skiff to go determine the future of who is the custodian of our nation's secrets is. If that is not darkness, what is darkness? Because we don't know how Mike Browns is going to vote or Todd Young. Please. Yes.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

The risk in them doing it is. You know, what we think is that if she. If they sank her nomination, it will be the Republicans who sink her. I mean, that's. That's what's going to happen here because.

[Charlie Kirk]

They have the majority, and we won't know.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

But they were even harder on her yesterday than the Dems. Honestly. It was like. It was tough to find somebody who sounded like they were going to defend her. She handled herself beautifully. I mean, she was articulated, articulate and elegant, poised and strong and unflappable. It was to the point where I was there, and I brought my assistant Abby, who comes with me pretty much everywhere. And Abby's got two young daughters, and she said, I'm going to make my daughters watch this. I want them to see this. She always looks for strong, articulate women so she can show her young girls. Look at that. Like that's possible. You can be that. And that's so great. That's how strong she was. She never, never lost her cool. I mean, it was actually an example in how to handle yourself.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Tulsi Gabbard]

There was absolutely no warmth coming her way from the other side of the aisle. I mean, I should mean, I mean, across the hearing room, whether you were on the left or the right. So I left worried. And my pal Glenn Greenwald, who's a big Tulsi advocate, is worried, too. And I just don't even know what to do to help her, Charlie. I don't. I'm not sure how well.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we have, we have to keep. The one element of hope is that the chairman of the Senate Intel Committee is Tom Cotton. He has voice support. And he went on Sean. Yeah, he went on Sean Hannity's program, and he said that he thinks Tulsi's gonna get confirmed. So here is my hope. My hope is that senators who really don't like Tulsi are gonna go in this skiff and they're going to feel all the public pressure, and they'll say, guys, let's just vote to put her on the floor now, understand, you can vote for her in committee and then vote against her in the floor, which is probably the deal that they're brokering with Susan Collins, to be perfectly honest, right. That they say, hey, just get her out of committee. Now, once it's on the floor, there is no skiff. There's no hiding that is in public. My hope is that these senators will all talk a really, really good game, but when that roll call actually starts to come, that they might falter. So we have a 53 Senate majority, which. So you kind of go with this. Okay, McConnell is probably a no because he's just the worst. Let's just say that John Curtis from Utah is a no. That gets us down to 51. So you could lose one more. Will Susan Collins come through for us in the end? Will Murkowski come through for us. How will Lankford vote? How will Todd Young vote? We don't know. But this, yeah, Cornyn, I think Cornyn will end up voting for her. Look, if Cornyn does not vote for her, he is done in Texas. No, he is done in Texas. By the way, if he does not vote for her, vote for Bobby Kennedy. And that's not a veiled threat. I could tell right now there is very well funded opposition that is being mounted. He's in a deep red state. He's already in a lot of ways, deeply unpopular. We've said at Turning Point Action that if you oppose President Trump's nominees and you are from one of these red states, we are going to fund a primary challenge against you. We've been very open about that. And in fact, we were unafraid to issue those kinds of salvos during the whole Pete Hegseth situation in December and obviously helped contribute to the reversal and the pivot from that. I mean, Pete Hegseth went down from like a 1 to 2% chance of becoming Secretary of Defense to now just doing an extraordinary job. So I don't want to say, okay, what is the percentage chance of Tulsi advancing? If she gets out of committee, her chances will improve dramatically. Her fight is in the committee, which of course happens in the shadows and in the darkness.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

All right, let's talk about rfkj. So I didn't get to the sound bite yesterday, but there was a pretty extraordinary. There were a couple of extraordinary exchanges in his day. Two in front of the Health Committee confirmation hearing. He had to go through two. And Rand Paul is just a star. I mean, he like, good luck challenging Rand Paul on medical issues. Just ask Dr. Fauci how that went. Rand Paul is one of the reasons Dr. Fauci felt he needed a pardon because it seemed clear ran that Dr. Fauci lied to Rand Paul's face repeatedly while under oath about his gain of function, involvement and so on. And Rand Paul just knew the questions to ask Dr. Fauci during the relevant time. He's been very fearless. So he used his time at this confirmation hearing to respond to Senator Cassidy, who also is a doctor, and Senator Cassidy of Louisiana. Cassidy, he's a problem problem. He's a pivotal, pivotal vote on this. So I'm going to set it up by showing you Cassidy and RFKJ on vaccines and then I'm gonna show Rand Paul using his time to respond to it. I mean, it may all come down to this. So take a look at Cassidy in SOC 20, if you are approved to.

[Bill Cassidy]

This decision, to this position, will you say unequivocally, will you reassure mothers, unequivocally and without qualification that the measles and hepatitis B vaccines do not cause autism?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Senator, I am not going into the agency with any.

[Bill Cassidy]

That's kind of a yes or no question because. So if you're. Because the data is there, and that's kind of a yes or no, and I don't mean to cut you off, but that really is a yes or no.

[Glenn Greenwald]

If the data is there, I will absolutely do that.

[Bill Cassidy]

Now there is the data. Just because I used to do hepatitis B, as I've said, I know the data is there.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Well, then I will be the first person, if you show me data, I will be the first person to assure the American people that they need to take those vaccines.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

So in response to that, here's Rand Paul. Sach21.

[Rand Paul]

The reason you have distrust from people at home, why they don't believe anything you say, they don't believe government at all, is you're telling my kids to take a hepatitis B vaccine when he's one day old. You, you get it through drug use and sexually transmitted. That's how you get hepatitis B.

[Bill Cassidy]

For the record, if a child is born to a hepatitis B mother, that child may have a 95% chance of becoming a chronic carrier.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

But if the child.

[Rand Paul]

And we vaccinate those people and nobody's against that, but if the child, that's a very small percentage in a red herring. That is not what we're talking about. 99.9% of kids don't have a hepatitis B mom. And could they wait a while? Could they get vaccinated three months or a year? Yes.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I mean that's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

And Rand Paul understands.

[Charlie Kirk]

But this Bill Cassidy is being so stupid. We test for hepatitis B in utero so we know if the mom has hepatitis B. That's how we're talking about it is a, it is a mandatory like minute one vaccination in certain states. Thankfully in Arizona, even the nurses are like, smart decision. We say no hepatitis B because I mean it has lost all trust and credibility in the rank and file. A lot of progress is made on that one. But, but this is a deeper question. Can we even criticize the child vaccination schedule at all? Like you're trying to tell me I have to give my 8 month son the COVID vaccine. Why prove it to me? No, I'm not doing that. So Senator Cassidy should really, I mean, again, I hope he comes and votes for Bobby Kennedy, but he should be challenged as well. The childhood vaccination schedule is become insane. As I could say this as a father of two kids. The rapidity and also what they are vaccinating for are things that I think a are not necessary to be inoculated against always. I mean, chickenpox is debatable. I had chickenpox growing up. I can understand the argument both ways. But what is the safety and the efficacy of these vaccines? Is it necessary? Is it, do you have to go through the entire schedule? Are there any side effects? And it almost gets to this place where it's like we shall never question vaccines. They're nothing but great. Megan, I'm sure you know people that have been vaccine injured and it's a very serious thing and they are treated as if they are like modern day cultural lepers. They're not allowed to be talked to. You're not allowed to be considered. And the COVID vaccine in particular, we had Nancy Mace who came out and said that she's had health problems that have never, that have never changed since she got the COVID vaccine and we were told that it was safe and effective. And yet then we look at all these studies that they reference. It turns out that there's a lot of corruption in the medical and scientific literature. A lot of these pharmaceutical companies are funding these studies. Again, all of us are pro vaccine. We want vaccines to be safe and effective, obviously. But I'm also a free thinker and I'm not just going to carry the water for people that have done nothing to earn our trust. And so I hope we can win over Senator Cassidy. I find his comments to just be laughable in some ways because anyone knows that, okay, the Hepatitis B vaccine in particular, yes, if a mom has hepatitis B, which we test for, then give the kid the vaccine, but within minutes of a child's birth, you're trying to tell me that there's no side effect for pumping them with a hepatitis B vaccine, which is completely unnecessary. I think is wrong. I think it's one of the reasons why we need Bobby Kennedy so badly. So I certainly hope he'll end up voting for rfk.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I just, to me it's so infuriating. I give my kids all the vaccines. They're not vaccine injured, thank God. By the way, highly recommend the shingles vaccine as an adult because you can get it in your eye. It's just disgusting. Anyway, apparently it's very, very painful too. But that's an adult. That's an adult decision. You can decide whether you want these vaccines or not. But Bobby Kennedy, they were all over him on the vaccines, as the audience now knows. He was on the show for four hours. We just spent two full hours on vaccines and not Covid vaccines. These vaccines that he's getting cross examined over, MMR vaccine and his long history of alleged vaccine denialism that he got cross examined over, over and over and over and over again. And the long and short of it is Bobby Kennedy jumped up and down and said, there's, there's mercury in these vaccines and I don't know that it's safe. And they said, you're crazy. It's totally safe. You're a nut case. And what wound up happening, they took it out. And we went to all of Bobby Kennedy's critics who said he's got this problem with mercury in the vacc. Mercury is totally safe, it's safe, it's safe. And then Bobby Kennedy came out and he explained this all on our show about how it was methylmercury that they were saying was safe, but. And they said that it was problematic, but it was this other ethylmercury. And long story short, the one that they said was totally unassailable stayed in the brain of the monkeys that were tested for months afterward. It's. He explains it all. All right, you, good luck challenging him on the science behind the vaccines. The bottom line is they took out the mercury that the same group that had been saying, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, took it out. Not because of him. They had a closed door meeting and they said, you know what, let's remove it. But there's nothing to see here. There's nothing to see here. And then they put aluminum in these vaccines, which works. It's not exactly a preservative. It does something else for the vaccines, but that too is a potential neurotoxin. And then they said, it's nothing, it's nothing, it's nothing. Just shove it in your baby and don't give it two thoughts. But all of this is going on while the toxic stew that our children are swimming in was growing exponentially. From, you know, the pollutants in their water and the fluorine and the chloride to the pollutants in their food to the pollutants that is on your sofa and the baby toys and the b, the baby bottles and like all around them. And Bobby Kennedy has been saying, can we just pause a little to figure out what's causing this? Why are the allergies doing this? Why are the ticks doing this? Why is the autism doing this? Why was this something you never even heard of when I was a, a child to something that is 1 in 30 now? And they look at him and they say, you're a kook. You're dangerous, you. You're dangerous. It's infuriating. It's infuriating to be standing on my side of the aisle with children or yours and to just. And again with, with God, thank God, perfectly healthy children to say, why are you so determined to stop the questions. And the COVID vaccine is even a more persuasive case where you've got young boys, 10 year old boys, I mean, it's just myocarditis, dying, dying, and they won't acknowledge it.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Kirk by the way, the COVID vaccine is now on the childhood vaccination schedule. So there are 18 months olds that are getting the COVID vaccine. Like, yeah, that's never going to happen. We're not, we're not doing MRNA gene altering technology. By the way, what is the risk if my kid gets Covid? Incredibly low. Like remarkably low for infants and for kids that get Covid. So there's a lot to unpack there. But I think also shouldn't the broader question be, okay, vaccines causing autism, whatever, fine, not going to get into that. But what does cause autism then? Why is it 1 in 30? Can we, can we have a discussion of that? Are there other environmental pollutants? Are there other neurotoxins that we haven't addressed? Is it our diet? Is the radioactivity? I don't know, but something is causing it. Something is causing this massive spike. And yet Bobby, is the Crime or is the criminal for noticing? You see, Bobby is the enemy for noticing. And the old expression goes to find out who controls you, find out what. You can't criticize. And we cannot criticize our public health authorities. And the media is so in bed with it. For a very simple reason, which I hope the President and Bobby Kennedy get rid of, is you're allowed to advertise on these networks so shamelessly that they have bought the entire media industrial complex. I was laughing. I was watching the Bills Chiefs game, and I was watching a football game doing work, and all of a sudden the most ridiculous commercial ever pops up where it's like some guy running through a meadow and they list all the side effects of these drugs, you know, might cause sudden death and might cause all these different things. And I said to myself, there's no way that this ad is persuasive. There's no way that there's some guy in Buffalo, New York watching the Bills game being like, you know what? Now I need to go buy that drug. No, it's part of a broader strategy, which, by the way, pharmaceutical advertisements is actually the lowest cost per dollar return of anything. No, it's part of a broader strategy where they're trying to win the goodwill and control these media companies. So they get. That's what it's all about. It's. It's not about promoting their drug. No one cares about it. These are awfully produced commercials. They don't put any energy into it, Right? They go through whatever DEI thing of some, you know, black dad playing baseball with his kid in the yard, like, okay, what? No, fine, whatever. It's like, nothing against that. And then they say, okay, here's it. Jardiance or whatever, you know, get this drug, ask your doctor about it, okay? No one actually ends up doing it. Instead, what it does is it gives them air cover against any of the journalist class and any of the people making the decisions that these media companies that could potentially investigate them or. Yes. Or give them a scintilla of negative coverage.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

It's truly like, the warning labels are like, you could try this to decrease your skin itchiness, but it may cause testicular boils. It's like. Wait, whoa, whoa. What?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, really?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Who in their right mind would sign on to that? I do want to say this to Senator Cassidy, whose vote we really need in. In. With all due respect, and by the way, I asked the audience to call his office yesterday and gave him the number and I said I would call and I did. I personally called it. Was actually very funny.

[Charlie Kirk]

They took the number down.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

The guy was like, the. The Megyn Kelly. I'm like, yes, the Megyn Kelly. I want you to. And he was like, do you live in Louisiana? I'm like, no, but I have a loud mouth and I have a lot of listeners who do. Okay, they took the number down. But here's the email that you're supposed. I asked and they told me the email is Hannah H A N N underscore barr B A r [e-mail] Hannah underscore Barr H A N N A H underscore B A r [e-mail] and I think, with all due respect to Hannah, and I'm sure she's a lovely person, and Senator Cassidy follows me on X, so I'm sure he saw the posts I sent his way yesterday. They need to hear from us directly. And here's why I feel so passionately about it. Charlie, forget all that stuff about MMR vaccine, which will not be banned. Trump has said it will not be banned. Bobby has said it will not be banned. Bobby's past work to ask questions about it is in the past. He's not going to make this an issue. He's made that really clear. He has his beliefs about it. But Trump is the boss. Look at the COVID vaccine and what you said, how no one's allowed to ask questions about it. One of the people I ran into when I showed up at the RFKJ hearing was a guy named Carl Warner. And. And I know Kyle, Kyle Warner, because he came on.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's amazing. Mountain biker. Mountain biker, exactly right.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

He's a mountain biker. And he came on the show during the height of the COVID nonsense and told his story.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

He lives in Oregon. All right? This is not some far right dude. And talked about what happened to him after this vaccine. And here's. Here's a clip of it. Watch.

[Kyle Warner]

When I went into the hospital, I said, I don't know what's going on with my heart. I think it may be a reaction to the vaccine because I got the Pfizer vaccine, you know, about a month ago and I've never had heart issues before, you know, so I'm just kind of ruling things out. Like, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but they are linking a heart issue. I'm having this new heart issue after getting the shot, and the guy was super dismissive about it and just said, no, you're not. Yeah, it was interesting because then the doctor Came in and was talking to me about how he said, hey, when I was in medical school, I had a lot of workload. I was really stressed out and I got put on antidepressants and kind of anti anxiety medication and it really helped me a lot. And I think that would be beneficial for you too. And you know, I was like, thank you. But you know, no, thank you. I think this is just a heart thing I'm dealing with. I don't.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I'm only anxious now because my heart is racing and I'm worried about my heart. It's episode 222. It's very worth your time to go back and listen to Kyle's story. There's a reason he showed up. This is. This is about more than the MMR vaccine, which is fine. It's in place. It's not going anywhere. It's about a whole. I know it gets overused, but medical industrial complex that cares more about hooking you on drugs like SSRIs and taking every single vaccine so that they can make a ton of money like Pfizer did, like Moderna did. They cannot be sued. And then they don't care when you get vaccine. Vaccine injured like Kyle, they don't give a shit. Well, RFKJ cares. Jay Bhattachary is going to care. Marty McCarry, ideally at FDA is going to care. And you need a disruptor like RFKJ at the top to run heard on it. Someone who will not be bullied by these behemoths who have more money than.

[Charlie Kirk]

God that monetize the sickness of the country every day. And we are the sickest we've ever been. We are the least healthy we've ever been as a country. So think about it. We're the most technologically advanced, we have the most breakthroughs. We have AI doing half of our work for us right now. Stock market at record highs, yet we're the sickest we've ever been. So how does that exactly work? We're the most overweight, the most alcohol addicted, the most drug addicted, the most suicidal, the most anxious, the most depressed that we've ever been. And so something is fundamentally wrong. And of course you've heard this before. We have a sick care system, not a health care system. And these major conglomerates have no interest in actually having a healthy population. In fact, a healthy population is a threat to the bottom line of Eli Lilly. A healthy population is a threat to the bottom line of Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson. A Healthy population means that you don't have to have 13 year olds. Get on Ozembic. As we are having this chat right now, there is a simultaneous congressional debate to put Ozembic on the Medicaid schedule so that teenagers instead of healthy lifestyle eating better, can do a injection every week pill for every ill and that will solve obesity. And if you look carefully on cable news, because I know all the interest groups behind it, they're running very persuasive ads. They say obesity is killing Americans. Call your senator to say that our government should stand up against obesity. You know, so what they're saying is they're framing obesity as this big problem. Call this number to support this bill. They don't tell you what's in the bill. The bill is to put Ozembic on the Medicaid schedule, which would then have kids across the country not pursue healthier lifestyles, but instead have to do an injection for the rest of their life which has all of these terrible side effects. Oh, and you have gallbladder issues and kidney stones and digestive problems. And only also by the way, supports and reinforces all of your other healthy, unhealthy habits, right? Eating, exercise. They are now looking at obesity as a permanent genetic condition, not lifestyle choices. They're saying that, well, it's just the way that you were born and there's.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Nothing that you can do. What are you doing? What is Kali means saying? What does Dr. Casey means behind him saying? They are talking about the toxins all throughout our society. Nicole Shanahan, who is rfkg is running me. All these people are talking about what causes the obesity. You know, you may be right that it's not entirely your fault, but the solution for a 13 year old is not Ozempic. It's to get him off of nonstop processed foods which make you more fat. To get him off of seed oils, which, I mean, go back and there's a lot of medical research on this now that talk about how that makes you more prone to hold onto your fat. Why are we demonizing meat, right? And lionizing bread for these kids like these? This team is going to stop all of that. And they're just, you know, whistling into the wind right now because they're being painted as a bunch of new age kooks. I totally agree with you. And honestly, like, I know Ozempic has helped a lot of people, but it is a totally different game when you are an adult and you are capable of assessing risk versus being a child. I also want to say something else. There was a singer. I saw her video on X. I didn't know this young woman, but she said she was only like 19 or 20. And she went on Ozempic and she was warning everybody that it caused massive bone density. Lost. Lost. That she was already suffering from osteoporosis and osteo perine. I forgot. Forget the word.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I know a lot of people that have been hospitalized for a lot of. I know, getting surgery because of it. Oh, big time.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

This is. I suffered from osteoporosis. This is years ago. This is even before I was epic. It was a thing. I just wound up having kind of old lady bones. I don't know why. It happens a lot to thin women who aren't like. It can be helpful to be a heavier person because, like, you're. You're pounding your bones while you walk. And a lot of thin women wind up with this condition. Anyway, not for nothing I've said this before, but I did go on this once a month injectable drug called E Venity for whatever it's worth for 12 months. And truly, it like, cured the osteoporosis. Like, it was gone. And yeah, I got to do a maintenance routine for like a year, the three years I think it is. But it's a miracle. It. For me, it was a miracle drug. Check with your own doctor. Do all that. But I just wanted that young woman. I don't know how to reach this young woman, but I like, she should know about this. Not everybody knows about this drug. Okay, so anyway, that's. That's rfkj. I don't know what's gonna happen with him. Do you want to handicap that one?

[Charlie Kirk]

I give RFKJ 60 to 70% chance of getting confirmed.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, [e-mail] thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Bobby Kennedy]

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