Real Immigration Reform + Markwayne Mullin vs. Rand Paul

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – Episode Summary

Date: March 18, 2026
Episode Title: Real Immigration Reform + Markwayne Mullin vs. Rand Paul
Host: Charlie Kirk (with Andrew Colvett, Blake; guest: Rep. Andy Ogles, James O’Keefe, Mark Halperin)

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Overview

This episode covers breaking developments in federal politics and policy, focusing on three central topics:

1. The intense U.S. Senate confirmation hearing for Markwayne Mullin as DHS Secretary, featuring a heated confrontation with Senator Rand Paul.
2. The testimony of Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence, and a broader discussion of national security threats and election integrity.
3. An in-depth interview with Rep. Andy Ogles about his ambitious new immigration bill (the “Assimilation Act”), and a bombshell voter fraud expose by James O’Keefe.

Throughout, the panel stresses conservative values, the need for major immigration reform, and the importance of American identity and integrity.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Markwayne Mullin vs. Rand Paul: A Senate Showdown

Timestamps: 01:44–07:12, 17:47–21:58

Setting the Scene

• The episode opens with hosts discussing two major hearings: Tulsi Gabbard’s Senate testimony and the combative DHS Secretary confirmation hearing for Markwayne Mullin.
• The focus quickly shifts to the explosive exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Markwayne Mullin, punctuated by past personal animus and a broader question about leadership temperament.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Rand Paul lays into Mullin over past comments about Paul’s assault by a neighbor:

  "You told the media that I was a freaking snake and that you completely understood why I had been assaulted. [...] Tell the world why you believe I deserve to be assaulted from behind, have six ribs broken and a damaged lung."
  – Rand Paul (02:00)

• Mullin refuses to apologize:

  "I did not say I supported it. I said I understood it. There’s a difference."
  – Markwayne Mullin (04:29) "I’m not apologizing for pointing at your character."
  – Markwayne Mullin (04:15)

• Hosts reflect on the spectacle:

  "Holy cow. I’m not apologizing for pointing out your character. He’s definitely not apologizing there. You don't usually see that in confirmation hearings."
  – Blake (04:58)

• Discussion notes the cultural divide and the “honor culture” of both men, Mullin’s blunt style, and the contrast with typical political decorum.

Analysis & Perspectives

• The panel suggests that while Paul's grievance is understandable due to the seriousness of his injuries, Mullin’s refusal to apologize fits his “no-nonsense, fight and forget” persona.
• Mark Halperin observes that Mullin’s temperament is a legitimate area of inquiry for such a major executive role (DHS Secretary), questioning whether a history of personal grudges suits the post (18:00).
• The proceedings are punctuated by Sen. Bernie Moreno predicting Mullin will be confirmed, despite controversy (06:29).

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2. DNI Tulsi Gabbard Testimony & Election Security

Timestamps: 09:32–15:46, 29:00–30:23

Tulsi Gabbard’s Testimony Highlights

• Praised for addressing the threat of “Islamist terrorism,” particularly the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and the global spread of Islamist ideology.
• Cited as a welcome, upfront approach in contrast to what the hosts call soft-pedaling by others:

  "The spread of Islamist ideology, in some cases led by individuals and organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, poses a fundamental threat to freedom and the foundational principles that underpin Western civilization."
  – Tulsi Gabbard (09:59)

Critique of Hearing Format & Issues Raised

• Some panelists wish she would have taken a stronger stance on the foreign election meddling issue, referencing recent reports on Chinese and Iranian influence operations (13:01, 15:46).
• Mark Halperin criticizes the format of Congressional hearings as "not particularly conducive" to illuminating complex national security issues, calling for long-form interviews instead (30:23).

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3. The Joe Kent Resignation and the Iran Crisis Debate

Timestamps: 22:28–34:29

• Discussion covers the resignation of Trump's top counterintelligence official, Joe Kent, and his public claims about Israeli influence and the justification for military action against Iran.
• Dan Bongino critiques Kent, questioning his assessment of the Iranian threat (23:50).
• Mark Halperin and hosts analyze if Kent’s claims about insufficient intelligence or undue Israeli influence hold water, concluding that Iran has long been recognized as a threat by both parties.
• Trump’s long-standing attitude toward Iran is dissected, with the show noting Trump has publicly advocated decisive action against Iran for decades, undercutting the idea his actions are new or externally coerced (35:10).

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4. Real Immigration Reform: The Assimilation Act

Timestamps: 37:12–45:31

Interview: Rep. Andy Ogles

• Ogles introduces the new “Assimilation Act,” describing it as a full repeal of the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act and a restructuring of legal immigration to strictly favor skills, prioritizing American workers, and ending chain migration and the H-1B “visa scam.”
• Key Ogles Quotes:

  "We make sure that you actually have a skill, a marketable skill [...] If you can't work, you can’t get a job, then you don’t get to come in." (38:05) "At the end of the day, this has to be data-driven." (39:54)

• Ogles and hosts lament that the bill faces major obstacles in Congress but frame it as a necessary step in a long-term shift toward stricter, merit-based immigration.
• Blake and Andrew note the transformation of America’s demographic landscape since 1990, arguing that “the people are with us” but legacy institutions still resist change.

Comprehensive Discussion

• Echoes of support for even more drastic action, such as an immigration moratorium or a cap well below current levels (43:20–44:58).
• The hosts stress the existential nature of the immigration debate for American culture and political stability, equating unconstrained migration to historical examples of cultural conquest.

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5. Ballot Fraud Bombshell – Interview with James O’Keefe

Timestamps: 54:10–64:41

Key Revelations

• O’Keefe releases undercover footage showing cash paid to homeless individuals in exchange for ballot signatures and voter registrations in California—a felony.
• Key Moment:

  "You can actually see the cash money being exchanged to the homeless people in exchange for their signature." (56:57)
  "What makes this story so crazy is they’re paying people to register to vote. They’re paying them cash, which is a federal felony." (60:04)

• Major news: The offices of Gov. Gavin Newsom and the California Secretary of State have responded; law enforcement is investigating, and arrests are expected.

O’Keefe’s Vision

• Announces a collective "Justice League" of citizen journalists will focus on exposing similar abuses nationwide, releasing coordinated stories to maximize impact.
• Advocates for shifting the conservative media ecosystem toward cooperation, not competition, to increase pressure for real accountability.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful."
  – Charlie Kirk (00:03)
• “We spend a lot of time on this show talking about culture, about why strong families matter, why values matter, why faith matters.”
  – Andrew Colvett (07:14)
• “I am not going to stop banging the drum. We're going to have Andy Ogles back on again and again and again as this goes through committee, as the bill gets refined. This is existential to the future of the country.”
  – Andrew Colvett (66:16)
• “What nations don’t recover from is no longer being the nation that they are. [...] And history is littered with countries that stop to exist because...they lost control of their borders, but what really happened is you get conquered."
  – Blake (68:38)

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Listener Q&A and Community Input

Timestamps: 48:31–52:13, 69:49–72:15

• Audience emails express widespread support for strict immigration reform, including calls for a complete moratorium.
• Hosts highlight the logistical impossibility of properly vetting 1.2 million immigrants per year (50:01).
• Encouragement for grassroots unity in primary races and support for actions that would increase enforcement against illegal trucking and employment (72:09).

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Closing Thoughts

• Immigration reforms (“Assimilation Act”) are portrayed as the most urgent domestic issue for conservatives, more important than foreign wars or economic cycles.
• The episode closes with a warning about the potential for automation and AI to disrupt the labor market—strengthening the argument for lower levels of legal immigration in future policy (66:16–68:38).

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Additional Resources & Calls to Action

• James O’Keefe’s new outlet: Citizen Journalism Foundation, OMG O’Keefe Media Group (omgokeefemediagroup.com)
• Listeners encouraged to provide feedback on immigration policy preferences and to follow up on new episodes and ongoing investigations.
• “Freedom.CharlieKirk.com” for audience engagement and further commentary.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is March 18, 2026. Lots of news this morning. Obviously, we have DNI Tulsi Gabbard testifying before the Senate. We have also a very fiery exchange happening with dhs. The nominated secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen.

[Blake]

I think a lot of people were looking forward to the Tulsi Gabbard hearing, especially with the events yesterday with Joe Kent. But instead, it turns out the DHS hearing is the more exciting one, not necessarily for good reasons.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, let's get into it. So here's kind of the moment that kind of. It kicked it all off. It was very, very tense, very, very early.

[Rand Paul]

You told the media that I was a freaking snake and that you completely understood why I had been assaulted. You went on to brag that you'd already told me to my face that you completely understood and approved of the assault. Well, that's a lie. You got a chance today. You can either continue to lie or you can correct the record. You have never had the courage to look me in the eye and tell me that the assault was justified. So today you'll have your chance. Today I'll give you that chance to clear the record. Tell it to my face. If that's what you believe, tell it to me today. Tell the world why you believe I deserve to be assaulted from behind, have six ribs broken and a damaged lung. Tell me to my face why you think I deserved it.

[Blake]

That was two Republicans.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's two Republicans. There's some, like, honor culture stuff going on here. You know, you got the Kentucky honor culture and the Oklahoma honor culture. So there's. These are two, I would say, spirited men. Right. They both have been through a few fights before. In Rand Paul's case, actually, very, very clearly. He was assaulted, and that's terrible. By. By a neighbor. And that tends. That seems to be what the backstory is here. And then, of course, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is a former MMA fighter. He's a tough guy. He's a. He's a man's man. And he, you know, he got into it with Sean o', Brien, who's a union boss. And that was a very famous clip of him and Sean o' Brien getting into it. Kind of threatening. Hey, let's do it right now. Let's go outside kind of moment. What's interesting is that Sean o' Brien is sitting now behind Mark Wayne Mullen as a character witness for his confirmation hearing, which I think is very telling about Mark Wayne Mullen as a man. He is somebody that's willing to bury the hatchet with what's a little fight tomorrow, we'll be boys again kind of thing. So I. I tend to think that Rand Paul needs to kind of bury the hatchet here. He's obviously upset about some words that were exchanged in the past, but that's kind of Mark Wayne Mullen's deal. He's able to. He's able to fight, he's able to have heated exchanges, and they kind of bury it for the good of the country, for the good of, you know, policy. Advancing policy. So there's more of this. We can keep playing it. Stop. 15.

[Rand Paul]

You offer no apology, sir, and you offer no apology today and no regrets.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

And I'm not apologizing for pointing at your.

[Rand Paul]

Good, good. So you're. You're jolly well fine. And you want the American public and the people up here to vote that may or may not vote for you to know that you supported the felonious, violent attack on me from behind?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

I did not say I supported it. I said I understood it. There's a difference. By calling you.

[Rand Paul]

By calling, that means you really didn't approve of it. Just completely understand it. What do you think most people would interpret completely understand to be support for or a condemnation of the violence, sir,

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

as I said, we can. We can have our differences. It's not going to keep me from doing my job as Secretary of Homeland Security. I'm going to secure Kentucky and take care of Kentucky as if this much as I am if this.

[Blake]

Holy cow. I'm not apologizing for pointing out your character. He's definitely, he's definitely not apologizing there. You don't, you don't usually see that in confirmation hearings. Usually they're all eager to paper over things in the past. But Mark Wayne clearly is not taking that approach.

[Andrew Colvett]

I, you know, I have to say I'm not, I'm not justifying what Mark Wayne said. I would say that, you know, Rand Paul getting assaulted was terrible. I just can't help but find it a bit endearing that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen won't back down. You know, he's probably sitting there thinking that that was a bit of a cheap shot. Listen, we've got a job to do at dhs. You need to get me confirmed so we can defend the country and the interior and so many other. And Rand Paul's making it about, you know, a, you know, a squabble that he had with Mark Wayne Mullen at a previous juncture. I get it. You know, he's upset about it, but there are businesses of state to attend to and you hope that your political leaders are able to put it behind you. So, I don't know. I look at this exchange and, you know, Mark Winmont's not one to pull punches either, so. But it's fiery, you know, and there's, you know, you, you saw the, the division of the caucus here where you had Bernie Moreno steps in and basically says, listen, you're, you're going to get confirmed here. And it looks like here. I'm looking for the clip here. I did see it just a second ago.

[Blake]

Oh, it's, it's clip five.

[Bernie Moreno]

You are who you are. You don't, you don't. And I think that's what you don't apologize for just being yourself. And sometimes we're imperfect. We don't do the 20 person focus group every time you say a word. And I think that's what people like about you, Mark Wain. So I appreciate you being here. I honestly just have one question for you. Do you pledge to support and defend the United States of America nearly as much as you would protect and defend your family?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Without doubt, sir.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Bernie Moreno]

So I'm going to ruin everything for the audience. You will be confirmed, you will have the job, and you're gonna make this country safer and better. And for that, I thank you and thank your family for supporting you.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

So for those wondering, Bernie is great.

[Blake]

It is close enough in the Senate if Rand opposes him and no Democrats switch sides, which I think Fetterman is on this committee, so that might happen. But if he gets rejected, that would hold up the nomination. But the full Senate can do anything. And so obviously the president's going to insist upon this. And so, you know, Thune can force it through. But presuming, assuming he hasn't defended any other, too many other Republicans with remarks.

[Andrew Colvett]

But, you know, I'm reminded, Blake, like I'm reminded, and you'll remember this, when we had Senator Mark Wayne Molen on the show and he was very honest about his feelings about a certain Supreme Court justice. So this is something that we've seen Mark Wayne Mullen do. He is very honest about, folks, that he thinks, I guess you would say, have character issues and, you know, right. Right or wrong, I don't know. I just, maybe I'm biased because he's come on the show so many times. But, you know, I find it endearing. And that's only one of the hearings this morning, folks. You know, we spend a lot of time on this show talking about culture, about why strong families matter, why values matter, why faith matters. But here's something practical. If you actually want to build a strong family someday, you have to start by meeting someone who shares those same values and convictions. And in today's culture, that's not always easy. A lot of apps are built around

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so Tulsi Gabbard, I would say there's some, some high water marks and there's some room for improvement here. And I'm trying to be constructive. I, I'm a fan of Tulsi's. I think she's a great patriot. Charlie, Love Tulsi. She is knocking it out of the park on Islam. Absolutely. Home run. Listen to her right here on the threat of Islamic Terrorism, something that we care greatly about on the show Satnai.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

The United States continues to face a complex and evolving threat landscape with a geographically diverse set of Islamist terrorist actors seeking to propagate their ideology globally and harm Americans even as Al Qaeda and ISIS remain weaker today than they were at their respective peaks. Peaks. The spread of Islamist ideology, in some cases led by individuals and organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, poses a fundamental threat to freedom and the foundational principles that underpin Western civilization. Islamist groups and individuals use this ideology for recruiting and financial support for terrorist groups and individuals around the world and to advance their political objectives of establishing an Islamist caliphate or which governs based on Sharia.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so she's knocking out the. I mean, we have multiple clips here, Blake, of Tulsi being 100% spot on when it comes to the threat of Islam. You love to hear it. Right. Because there's a certain, I would say, emergent set of voices that are, I think, downplaying the threat of Islam in the West. We don't subscribe to that notion. We think that it is a clear and present danger to the future of Western civilization, but specifically to the United States. So I'm very heartened to see.

[Blake]

I wish it was specific to the United States. Unfortunately, it is generalized to all of Western civilization. And yeah, it's as you say, some people have made, I think some people, they're just the old fashioned, open borders, diversity is our strength sort. But apart. Another version that's emerged in the last, in the last few years is they, they just straight up, they take the bargain of I would rather side with radical Islamists than with Israel or with Jewish people. Some of them are saying, oh, Christianity is too cucked, Christianity is too weak. We need muscular Islam to revive the West. There's a lot of these very deranged, very delusional takes that have risen in popularity. You're seeing it with young people. And I think Charlie was prescient and I think others are very correct to identify this threat now and start really pushing back against it before we're like the UK before we're like France and this is 10, 15% of the population. And we're having schools forcing all their kids to observe Ramadan, forcing their kids not to eat because it would offend them. You know, having these gigantic mass Islamic prayers out in front of your biggest churches, which is what we're seeing in Europe right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And like, like I said, that's why I'm so glad Tulsi's being honest about it. She's not pulling any punches. She's going straight and direct, which is a good sign, by the way, if we're going to actually make progress on this issue. However, here's the room for improvement. And I know a bit of the backstory here, so it's hard. Harder for me to watch it with dispassionate eyes. Okay, so here's sat 23. This is Senator Warner demanding to know why Tulsi Gabbard was at the Fulton County, GA Election Raid 23.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

For election security responsibilities to ensure the integrity of our elections. I want to correct one of your statements that you've made multiple times, which is false. I did not participate in a law enforcement activity, nor would I because that does not exist within my authorities.

[Senator Warner]

You were present on the scene. Are the photos of you on the scene.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I was at photograph Fulton county, sir, at the request of the president and to work with the FBI to observe this action that had long been awaited. I was not aware of what was in the warrant or was not in the warrant.

[Senator Warner]

What was the president's specific request for

[Interviewer]

you to go to.

[Senator Warner]

What was the specific request that was made by the President for you to show up in Fulton county to go

[Tulsi Gabbard]

and observe the FBI's activities on this issue?

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so she's saying that she was not involved in that. And a dni, the top intel official in the country. Right. So they. They gather intel from all the other agencies, about 17 intelligence agencies. A lot of times there's a lot of infighting because it's kind of like having a parent looking over your work, your homework. They don't like that. They want to be more independent. Tulsi's got a heck of a job on her. But check this out. 201. This is from Just the News. John Solomon come on the show talking about some of this. Says US intel hid Chinese 2020 election meddling from Trump because they opposed his policies. According to a memo obtained by Just the News. Great reporting there from John Solomon. We have ample evidence to understand that foreign actors were meddling in our elections. Now, I'm not saying that they meddled in Fulton. They very well could have meddled in Fulton. But the president has had this intel. Tulsi Gabbard has had this intel. It's important that somebody articulate the foreign threat to our elections with strength and conviction in their voice. And I thought this was a missed opportunity. I'd love to see it. Somebody continue following up. And maybe she's not ready to do it. I get. I defer to Tulsi's wisdom and the timing that she chooses. But somebody needs to articulate fully and forcefully the foreign threat to our elections and our election integrity. And I thought this was an opportunity to do that. CIA Director John Radcliffe is. Is continues to prosecute the case against Iran. There's some great back and forth there. We can go ahead and play Sat 22 22. If left unimpeded, yes, Senator. They would have the ability to range missiles to the continental U.S. it's one of the reasons why degrading Iran's missile production capabilities that is taking place right now in Operation Epic Fury is so

[Senator Warner]

important to our national security.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, lots going on here. To your point, Blake. I thought this was going to be Joe Kent hour, and it seems as though it's kind of all over the place now. It's ongoing, so we're going to keep monitoring the situation, but so far, it has not devolved into that just yet.

[Blake]

Yep, so far we shall see.

[Andrew Colvett]

Radcliffe's also reporting on a 25% increase in assets and human resources at the CIA. It's interesting. 70% increase in counterterrorism operations. It's good to see them focused. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here.

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[Andrew Colvett]

We are joined by the great Mark Halperin, who is one of the keenest political observers in the country. All right, but, Mark, we were talking in the break about your read on the hearing so far, so let's start there. You watched the back and forth with Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen. You have a relationship with Rand Paul. I think that's fair to say. What was your reaction to that back and forth?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, my only relationship with Senator Paul is I've interviewed him, and I respect the fact that he's willing to speak his mind, even when he's in the minority. I think we could use more senators like that. Look, there's a personal issue here that I can empathize with, and then there's a substantive one. The personal one is he's a member of a club of 100 and a member of his sub club of the Republican Party. Seemed to cheer when he was beat up seriously by his neighbor and never apologized for it and continued to kind of make light of it. And I think Senator Paul was right to, even though it's personal and might seem petty to some to use that as a prism to wedge into the bigger issue, which I think also based on the available record, is legitimate, which is, does this guy have the temperament to have this complicated job? The fact that at a congressional hearing, he tried to fight a guy, you know, they've made up since then, like, I just look at. I look at those two data points and say that's a legit area of inquiry for the chairman to take on. And I thought the Senator Mullen's responses weren't great. I didn't think they were great. So if you're someone who has doubts about his temperament to do this job, I don't think. I don't think he helped himself with the way he handled it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, I. I hear you. I think that's a legitimate line of inquiry. I think that's a line I would agree with. But there's obviously, you know, a longer backstory here between the two gentlemen. I think the fact that he's got Sean o' Brien sitting behind him, who.

[Interviewer]

He.

[Andrew Colvett]

That was the guy. He. They. They almost fought in the. In the hearing as a. He has Sean o' Brien there as a character witness. I think that's the Mark Wayne Mullen that people know and appreciate why he's so well liked. But. Yeah, he does. He does. He doesn't pull any punches. You know, we had him on this show, and he said some things about a Supreme Court justice that kind of. Our jaws dropped. You know, so I understand the. The temperament issue, but I tend to think that he's very relatable in that.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah, people like him a lot. But let me. Let me ask Blake a question. Can I ask Blake a question?

[Andrew Colvett]

Question?

[Mark Halperin]

Let's say. Let's say Blake got beat up and. By his neighbor. And, and, and then you went out in public and laughed and said, I, I can kind of understand why Blake's neighbor would beat him up. A lot of people are saying the hospital, this, this is, this is like a hypothetical, but it's so close to the truth.

[Blake]

I kind of get it, Mark. And what I, what I think is funny is I think, well, it's not funny. But I think what may genuinely be a problem here is I remember when that happened, and I think a lot of people did find it kind of funny, like, oh, your neighbor came over and beat you up. And I think what a lot of people don't genuinely appreciate is I think Rand Paul was quite seriously maimed in that he was in the hospital for a long time. And I think a lot of people just kind of don't. They don't internalize that fact. That that's going to be really personal for Senator Paul because this wasn't something that lasted, you know, this wasn't, oh, I got in a fight one day. It was. I was in the hospital for weeks, I believe.

[Mark Halperin]

Yep. And the psychology of it, I totally. You're right. Let me just build on that. He was beat up by his neighbor. That's like a really disquieting thing. It's really unsettling. You're in your, you're in your neighbor, you're in your home, you're on your property, and your neighbor beats you up so badly, you're in the hospital. I could, I could see why it would bother him that his colleague made repeated fun of it. And then today, when he asked his colleague if he, if he would apologize for it, he declined. So again, I'm not, I'm not telling senators how to vote. I'm not saying this is disqualifying or should be. I'm saying is, I think this legitimate issue, because that mindset of making fun of someone, your colleague being sent to the hospital by his neighbor and then declining, in retrospect, to apologize. How hard is it to apologize for that?

[Andrew Colvett]

Seems pretty effortless.

[Mark Halperin]

I mean, and yet he declined.

[Andrew Colvett]

Mark, I would agree with you. Maybe he should have. Maybe he should have. I would, I will just say the backstory here. And again, I have great respect for Rand Paul. I just happen to know, and I'm sure you've. You know this as well, that he's one of those senators that tends to get under a lot of other senators skin, and there's a lot of scar tissue, there's a lot of backstory there. He can be very frustrating to deal with in the budget process. He holds out his vote. I mean, there's a lot of scar tissue there.

[Mark Halperin]

100%.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we'll leave it at that. You did some reporting at Daily Mail last night. The Sinister Truth. Now, I know, Mark, you don't write the headlines for people who don't know Daily Mail. They throw a bunch of stuff at the board and they see what gets the most clicks. All right, so, but the article, we'll get into that with you. Sinister Truth about explosive resignation of Trump's top counterterror chief Joe Kent and his shock claim Israel is manipulating the President by Mark Halperin. What is the backstory here? What have you uncovered in your reporting, Mark?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, as Daily Mail headlines go, that's, that's like, that's like USA Today. That's, that's a perfectly good one.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that was, that was pretty tame for them. Exactly.

[Mark Halperin]

I, you know, it's interesting that Joe Kent had this job because no one who's followed his career or dealt with him is the least bit surprised that he would quit and that he would quit over this. You know, I think all the time I had Ralph Reed on my show on Nextup yesterday we talked about this thing I'm so focused on as a reporter, which is what if Charlie were still here? And I have to say, I think Charlie would have been proud yesterday of Team MAGA for mobilizing so quickly with very few fingerprints to make it clear to, not just to Kent who's going on with Tucker and maybe with Candace, by the way, and Mark Levin, but to other people who, who are thinking of quitting over the war. Your public vociferous opposition will not be unchallenged and it will not be cost free to make very effective. Maybe not stopping Kent from doing stuff, but now anybody else who wants to do what Kent did is going to have to think twice. And that was the goal of yesterday. And I think they, I think they were pretty effective in doing it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Well, let's play some of the clips. I think SOP1, this Dan Bongino criticizing the move.

[Dan Bongino]

I read probably a lot more intelligence than he did. I had access to just about everything. And how you could come to the conclusion that the Israelis did it and there was no imminent threat here, really. What about the anti ship ballistic missiles, the drone program, 440 kilograms of 60% enriched nuclear material, their constant death to America chants? I mean, you know, that's called evidence in some limited circles. We call that, you know, a clue. I mean, I don't know at what point you thought this wasn't an imminent threat after you've read a lot of the stuff I read. And by the way, that's just the open source stuff we can talk about on the air. I promise you. The president, I promise you, has a bevy of material that if he could do the Men in Black thing and erase your mind tomorrow, if he told you right now, you would come to the imminent threat conclusion in a snap.

[Andrew Colvett]

Mark, what was your reporting on the intel that Joe Kent had access to?

[Mark Halperin]

It's murky. It's murky. I think there's no doubt that the administration and maybe Dan there is overstating echoes of the Bush weapons of mass destruction claims. They're overstating it. Almost every expert would say they are. I think it's a bit of a, of a, of a distraction though, because for decades presidents of both parties have said Iran must be dealt with. So whether they were a week away or 10 weeks away or two years away, I don't know that it matters. And I think it's kind of unfortunate for the focus of the public and the righteousness of the cause that there's all this attention being paid to. Is Kent telling the truth? Is the president telling the truth? You know, is Rubio telling the truth? I don't think it matters. Iran is an existential threat and has been and presidents of both parties have struggled to find a way to deal with it. And this president has tried something. It may go down in history as a calamity, but he did it because he was trying to achieve an objective shared by his colleagues and an objective he's talked about also for decades even. Yeah, well, before he became a politician.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and Mark, there's a clip here and I'm going to be watching closely when Joe Kent goes on with Tucker, maybe with Mark Levin. I'm sure Mark Levin is going to bring up this clip because it does seem to strike against his letter. Sat 8 I've already heard rumors that 5th group is going to be sending guys to Iraq because of the escalated situation with Iran. Now.

[Senator Warner]

Yeah, I mean most Americans aren't aware of it. We've, our troops in Iraq and Syria have been attacked 150 plus times by Iranian proxies. And when we say Iranian proxies, we got to be clear on what that is. That's the Iraqi government that we pay because after the Iraqi military we spent 2 trillion on surrendered to ISIS. We had to go back in there in very short order and stand a military back up again. And guess who filled the breach? The Shia militias controlled by Iran did. And the Iraqi government's controlled by Iran.

[Andrew Colvett]

There's other clips of Joe Kent talking about the ballistic missile threat and so much more. So I'm going to be watching those interviews very, very closely to see if he does have intel or if he does have a perspective that could persuade me that Trump wasn't acting on his own agency, that he was dog walked into this war by Israel. I think that's the main claim here, and I want to see what he's going to present as evidence of that.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah, well, like, there's two claims. One is that there wasn't sufficient evidence of a threat, and the other is it was done on behest, you know, exclusively or primarily at the behest of Israel in the American Jewish lobby.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

He'll.

[Mark Halperin]

He'll have trouble proving the second one. The first one, I think is more ambiguous. But as the clip suggests, there's plenty of things he said in the town's national town square that suggest that he did see a threat from Iran. So whether he thought the threat was sufficient or not to warrant the president's actions, if he wants to make that judgment, he should run for president. That's not his call. That's the president's call.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, that's a. That's a very good point you just made. It is the commander in chief's call.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

All right, Mark, you.

[Andrew Colvett]

You seem like you're in. In high spirits today. You're making jokes about Blake getting beat up and me laughing about it. Blake, I didn't. You know what? I think Blake would. If I got really arrogant here.

[Blake]

He's assuming I would lose the fight. And I don't know. I feel like I worked pretty hard in this hypothetical.

[Mark Halperin]

Your neighbor's massive. Your neighbor's bigger than Mark Wayne Mullen.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, this is true, true story. But Blake is freakishly strong. I don't know what. I don't know why he is, but I think it's because he used to be. Used to have a little bit more weight on you, Blake, which you've slimmed down. He's. And so I don't know if it's like remnant strength, but Blake is weirdly strong. What do you. Ben, could you rip?

[Mark Halperin]

Could you rip?

[Blake]

I think at my best. At my best, I've done like, 260.

[Mark Halperin]

That's.

[Blake]

That's not bad.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah. With a spotter. No spotter.

[Blake]

No spotter. So I could probably go harder if. If I Had you helping me out.

[Mark Halperin]

Could. Could you rip the Phoenix white pages in half with your bare hands?

[Blake]

Okay. Do they still publish the white page? Wait, what is that? Mark? I'm not familiar.

[Mark Halperin]

I know.

[Andrew Colvett]

That was Robin about to send me a text message saying, get. Get back on track here.

[Mark Halperin]

You're going to say, what are the white pages?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Mark Halperin]

Blake, is that some race, some racial thing?

[Andrew Colvett]

Mark, let's go to. Let's turn our attention to the other big hearing that's happening right now on Capitol Hill, and that's with the intel agencies. I mentioned that. I love Tulsi's focus on Islam. I'm very heartened to see that. However, there is, I think, justification for DNI to be involved in things like the Fulton county raid. I thought there was an opportunity for her to articulate that point. We know that foreign actors are trying to meddle in our elections. This is intel the president has had for a long time. To what extent, to what effect we don't know. But that's exactly why it needs to be investigated. What. What are you seeing from this hearing so far? What are the big takeaways?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, I'm not. I'm not crazy on intel and. And CIA and others being involved in anything domestic. I think the FBI should deal with all of that. I think history shows it's a. It leads to potential abuse when you let intelligence agencies play on domestic front. You know, I've not seen all the hearing. I've been watching it on and off and switching back and forth to the Mark Wayne Mullen hearing. You know, I find hearing format, congressional hearing format, with the limited time and a lot of the partisanship to not be that useful. And I think, obviously a lot of this stuff is classified, so in all honesty, I didn't hear anything that furthered my understanding of the threats America faces around the world. And again, I just don't think the format's particularly conducive to that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Fair enough. I. I tend to agree with you, actually. I'd much rather see, you know, Tulsi Gabbard or Ratcliffe in a long form interview on this show. Or on. Yeah, or on John Ryan or whatever. So, final point here, and Blake, I think you're going to have some input here. We've had you on to talk about this repeatedly. The strikes in Iran, we want to call it an excursion of war, whatever your word is for it. There is a political reality. I think everybody will acknowledge that militarily, we've seen some of the advanced excellence of our military. Nobody's contending that. But the political cost is certainly a contributing factor of how long this is going to drag on. What's your read on it right now? How's MAGA staying together? How's the base staying together? Are we shrinking the coalition by doing this?

[Mark Halperin]

You'll read, sir, Every bit of polling data suggests maga's staying together. And Chris Lacivita just tweeted about this. Maga's very solid for this, and not just because they're blindly loyal to the president. There are no boots on the ground. We're not building schools or firehouses. We're not saying we're going to march to Tehran and displace the government. Donald Trump is not against using force. He's for fast. You know what Mag is against and what a lot of people on the left are against are losing slowly. What the president's for is winning quickly. Now, how quickly will quickly be all the political fallout, the midterms, the president's legacy, all these things, they'll all be answered by how this goes. If it ends in the next six weeks or less, if it ends with the objectives or most of the objectives being achieved, I think it'll be a net political plus for the president. And if it doesn't, if it goes on longer, if it costs multiple billions, if it does have mission creep, or if the objectives aren't achieved, I think the Republican Party and the president will pay a price, and they should, because the president made this decision on behalf of the party. So all this I said before, I don't like the conversation about was there sufficient intelligence to go in? Because I think there was. I also don't like this discussion about whether the president's breaking his promise. I just don't think he is. I could. I respect those who think he is. But the president is for using decisive force to achieve important and essential objectives. And so far, that's what he appears to be doing.

[Blake]

Well, Mark, what occurs to me is, do you think this is. I think we've had repeated cases of this now where there's sort of Trump himself, and then also there's the aura that's built around Trump where they'll emphasize things that aren't necessarily big Trump talking points. The other one that comes to mind, of course, is the Epstein stuff, where people are saying, oh, Trump betrayed us on Epstein. He was promising to really go hard at this. And then when you look at the evidence, it's Trump supporters talk about that a lot. And then Trump gets asked about an interview and he's like, ah, yeah, yeah, we'll look at the Epstein stuff. And he's never bringing it up of his own volition. And I feel like Iran is similar where Trump supporters, and certainly we among them, have emphasized, oh, he avoided these wars. He was the peace president. He's had no new wars in his first term. While Trump himself is going around saying, Iran will never get a nuclear weapon, I'm super tough. I'm ready to use force. Do you think this is kind of a recurring pattern and is that particular.

[Mark Halperin]

I would use the metaphor. I would use. No, not necessarily, but I would say the metaphor is Trump's the Wizard of Oz, and all these other people are the flying monkeys. And the flying monkeys get a lot of attention, and they say, I speak for the Wizard. But Trump, I just don't. Trump is the king of inconsistency. There are lots of things he's not consistent on. And again, I have great respect for people on the left and the right and others who don't support this, but it is not a violation. As I read and listen to what he said, as you said, not others have said Trump has been talking about trying to deal with Iran for decades. Other presidents have for decades. He saw the opportunity and alliance with Israel to do it. And he's got, I think, pretty specific objectives. Some are must haves. Some would be nice to have, like regime change. And I think he's going to achieve as much as he can at his lowest cost as possible, and not. We're not going to be building schools in Tehran. I'm quite confident of that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I think that's. I think that's well said. You know, Trump is the audible president. He. The Charlie used to say that the unpredictability was the point. Point.

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[Andrew Colvett]

So we don't know what he holds in a closed hand and an open hand. What. What are the must haves? What are the want to haves here? Ultimately, I think Israel's pushing for regime change. I think Trump's willing to deal with this regime if it's, if it's a moderate actor. You know, we're just not 100% sure. I, by the way, I want to. I want to play. We're running out of time. There's a cut here. We have him, 1980, of President Trump raging against Iran. 1980, you know, he. What was he, 30, 33 in that at that point or something? You know, so I played it.

[Mark Halperin]

I played it on my show. It's a great clip, and it illustrates the point. This is not some political gambit. This is not some whim, this is not some Israel, you know, forcing his hand. He's long said this is important. You guys are too young, but if you're his age or my age, he's older than me. But same idea. What Iran did during the Carter years really was informative for how we perceive this regime. And he's, he's been on it since then and I think probably wish he dealt with it in the first term.

[Andrew Colvett]

Mark Halperin, great work as always. Thank you for your honest analysis.

[Mark Halperin]

Good to see you both. Stay away from your big burly neighbors.

[Andrew Colvett]

We will do that. You too. You live in a, in a big old metro with lots of scary people, Mark, so be careful out there.

[Mark Halperin]

Thank you, sir.

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[Andrew Colvett]

we've been planning this conversation now with Rep. Andy Ogles, House Freedom Caucus, Tennessee's fifth Congressional District. A great American, great patriot. I've known about this bill for a little while and I'm so excited to talk about it with him. And he's joining us now. Congressman, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Absolutely. And thank you for having me. Thank you for the great work that you're doing and for the entire team for continuing what is an important legacy for the future of America. So thank You.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you. Thank you for saying that you have unveiled an important bill, I think probably the most consequential immigration bill that I have ever seen. And as somebody that follows this subject closely, sir, I'm very excited to see it. I know it faces an uphill battle, but explain your bill, the Assimilation act, what it would do and why it's necessary.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Well, and I would argue that this is, quite frankly, one of the most important pieces, conversations, but also pieces of legislation that we will really try to undertake and pass in modern history. So if you go back to 1965, the Hart Cellar act literally opened the floodgates, this tidal wave of immigration. This really, this occupation that we've seen across America with illegals who are flooding our communities. And so what this does is go back to common sense immigration, simply meaning that if you come here, we get to vet you. We, we make sure that you actually have a skill, a marketable skill that, that you can deliver to the American people. So if you come here and you can't work, you can't get a job, then you don't get to come in. Because what we've seen is roughly 50 to 60% of the Afghanis that came here are on social welfare. Look at the Somalians that have come here. Almost 80% are on social welfare. They're not coming here to make America great. They're coming here to make themselves greater. And quite frankly, some would say we're a melting pot. But at the end of the day, we have to take care of the American taxpayer first. So look, it ends chain migration, it ends the tidal wave, the flooding, it ends the H1B visa scam, and we can actually vet people. So if you're a member of a gang, you don't get to come in. It's quite simple, actually.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love that. So hart Cellar was a 60s era legislation. Blake knows the history better than most, but it's. It basically set up these things that we've been railing about on this show for years, even when Charlie was here. Chain migration, visa lottery, all of this stuff that makes no sense for the common good of the country. It gets rid of that. Hart Cellar also kind of was a revert. It reverted some of the 1920s immigration law. Right. That was the quota system. What does your bill do with that?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

So it really goes back to more, again, common sense approach where we can prioritize whether it's countries, occupations. This is the United States of America. We quite frankly have one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world. All right, think about that for a moment people rail against us on our immigration policies, yet Mexico and Canada are more strict than we are. And so this takes us back where literally to this idea of it's our borders, our borders we get to decide. So if we need a particular occupation and if it makes sense to have more Europeans here versus folks, quite frankly, from parts of Africa who may want to kill us, we get to make those determinations based off of data. And at the end of the day, this has to be data driven. So again, by stripping away all of the politics, by stripping away all of the nonsense that quite frankly is corrupted, it's abused like the H1B visa scam. The, that's literally taking jobs away from American workers. So you can have someone who went to college, who got a degree, expecting to have that good paying job to start a family, to buy a home. And then what's happened is cheap labor from overseas is being imported into this country and putting Americans out of jobs.

[Mark Halperin]

Guess what?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

It's America first for a reason. That also means American workers first.

[Andrew Colvett]

Amen.

[Blake]

Yeah. Representative so obviously get rid of chain migration, get rid of the diversity visa, emphasis on skills. What does your bill do in terms of just the sheer annual number of people coming into the United States? Does it set a cap on it? Does it set a floor on it? What's the number?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

So there's a couple of things without getting too much in the weeds. There's lots of different caps in our immigration systems. It brings almost all of those down. It also prevents, when you look at like a lottery system or migration, it prevents any one country from being able to dominant, dominate kind of that pipeline of people coming into this country.

[Andrew Colvett]

You mean India?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Well, well, quite frankly, we, we've seen a disproportionate number of folks from India using the H1B visa program. And again, we should be able to determine who uses those. And quite frankly, so with the bill like specific to H1B visas, there's a 200% number in there. So that if you're going to use someone by way of the H1B visa, you're not not only paying the market rate, you're paying them twice the market. So that we know that this is a unique situation and you're not displacing American worker because we see that over and over and over again where someone who might otherwise make a job paying $100,000, they're bringing someone, someone from overseas, India, wherever, and they're paying them 60 or $70,000. And again, you have Americans, students Kids trying to start their lives and they can't get a job because our immigration system has become a scam.

[Andrew Colvett]

So in 1990, with the Immigration act signed by George H.W. bush, it took the annual green cards from about 500,000 a year to 1.2, in essence, 1.2 million, which I think is absurd, by the way. In my opinion, the country's full. We're seeing the erasure of our country. We're seeing the fleecing of our social welfare system. Obviously, Minnesota was a big wake up call to, to Blake's point. Does this get us back to 500,000? Is this, is, is there no cap like that or no floor?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Let me double check. But yes, there's a cap in there. The exact number. Because it is, it is, quite frankly, a complex bill and it's still a work in progress. But I'm like you, let, let's just close it down. I can't get that through Congress. So this starts this, this gives us a starting place to figure out. All right, we're good. I have an idea. My team and I, we have an idea. We're going to put forward, forward this framework. Then we're gonna come to you, we're gonna come to other groups that have expertise in certain areas when it comes to immigration policy, and we're gonna make this better, we're gonna make this stronger, and we're gonna make it for the American people, not for other countries that are abusing our immigration system.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, the people need to understand that what we've lived through in the United States, let's just say since 1990, is the largest move of humanity in human history. It's the largest. One part of that is that we have more people on planet Earth than we do they, than we did during these other big migratory waves in ancient history, or less ancient history. It is the largest move of humanity into the United States. And that's why we use words like invasion. That's why we use words like occupation. And so I guess the point that just to underscore here, you're repealing Hart Cellar, It's a full repeal. And 1990 immigration act repealing aspects of that. But we're going to lower the number. And I agree. I would go full immigration moratorium if we could. I'd do a net zero. I agree with you that we cannot get that through Congress right now. That's why I'm championing anybody's voices who is willing to take a stand on that. So thank you. But the truth is we're probably not going to be able to get this billed through Congress just yet either. What needs to happen, you know, I

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

think we're in a unique opportunity, a unique situation. Obviously, the Senate is a challenge, but, but when you look at the waste, the fraud, the abuse, the data points that we're putting out there, that when you, when you have 50, 60% of Afghans are on social welfare, they're not coming here to work, when you look at the Somalians, the billions of dollars that have been stolen from Americans and the fact that again, 70, 80% are on social welfare, people are waking up. And so just like the Save Save America act with voting, I think the American people are going to demand that, that we reform our immigration system.

[Andrew Colvett]

Rep. ANDY Ogles, thank you so much, sir, and thank you for your courage on this issue. And we need brave truth tellers like you pushing this conversation like a drumbeat. It is existential to the country. It simply is. Andy Ogles is a dog with a bone on immigration. We're gonna have him back on again soon. I'd love your thoughts on repealing hart Cellar, the 1964 legislation that completely transformed America's immigration system. And then 1990, the Immigration act signed by H.W. bush, with Ted Kennedy, the quote unquote lion of the Senate peering over his shoulder, that took our green cards up to 1.2 million. Tell us, what do you want to see happen in our immigration system? Do you want a moratorium? Do you want a net zero moratorium? Do you want to see this bill? You think it's smart to get something like this passed? Because it's maybe more passable? Want to hear your thoughts? Freedom. Charliekirk.com all right, I'm going to play some since we're talking about immigration, let's play a little some clips from Charlie talking about the subject, cut 17, the

[Charlie Kirk]

fight, the future, the energy is going to be on. Who do we legally let into America? That is the question.

[Andrew Colvett]

Legally let into the country. Blake, did you write that for him?

[Blake]

Because that I can't even remember at this point. But yeah, it's, it's always been important, like the our nation has been so insane on illegal immigration on open borders that it is easy to lose sight of the fact that even if even with a total shutdown of illegal immigration, we still have an insane immigration policy that lets in a huge number of people who are not improving America, who are not adding to the country, who are actively harming it, subtracting with it, causing problems, damaging the country's future. And I'M very glad you know, Representative Ogles, for those who haven't followed in the news. He had remarks the other day, you know, anti Islam face backlash for it. 20 years ago he would apologize and go into hiding. He might resign. Instead he turns around and introduces a bill to repeal Hart Celler. And as we said in the last segment, this won't pass in the immediate future. We don't have the votes for it. But this is the process that must unfold. We need to build a Republican Party, a conservative movement that has a coherent and sharply more restrictionist view on immigration, that wants to defend American heritage. We didn't even get into it in the last segment. But one of the things about Hart Cellar when they passed it, Ted Kennedy and others came out and said this will not change the demographic nature of America. It will keep America as it is because that is what all the voters of the time wanted. Americans literally have never voted to just transform themselves into this giant globalist project. They have never voted to become post national. They have never voted to abandon their heritage. And yet what we got is a bill that sneakily did that. And then people come along 30 years later and say America is just an idea. America. Americans have never just considered themselves an idea.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I totally agree. This whole. We're a nation of immigrants. No we're not. We're a nation of settlers that conquered a land and made it prosperous, made it thrive. I know that the indigenous peoples were. There was indigenous peoples here before. But you know, honestly the. Every land has been conquered and that is a faulty argument. It's a straw man. I want to read some of these emails. Angela says I live in South Carolina. I really appreciate the interviews you conducted with both Senate candidates for our state. I agreed with both Dan's and Lynch on many topics same but Mark lynch is that new politician I believe we need in the Senate. Dan's has the political and legal experience but we need a shakeup, something different. Mark lynch is not a career politician. That's the whole point of ousting Lindsey Graham. My vote is for Mark Lynch. All right, fair enough. I, I think that's, that's good. Aaron says enough. Mark Halperin on emphasizing Rand Paul's pride. We have real threats to go after. That was my take. I, I think Lindsey Grant or Paul, sorry, Rand Paul is putting personal animus ahead of country and hey, maybe he's got a point. Maybe it is a character, a legitimate line of inquiry because it, it strikes it character of Mark Wayne Mullen. But I think how do we resonate with Mark Wayne.

[Blake]

We have Patty. She says we absolutely need a complete moratorium on any immigration unless and until we can vet the ones that are already here and revamp the system. I think more and more people are coming around to that. We've been the dumping ground of earth long enough.

[Andrew Colvett]

So riddle me this. How do you properly vet 1.2 million people coming into your country if you do not have at least 2 to 1 staffing to even just look into their cases, find out about them? I mean, in my opinion, you need half a million people to vet that properly. I'm sorry, you need full interviews. You need, you need to see what

[Interviewer]

their life is like.

[Andrew Colvett]

You need to interview family, friends, their employer. Like, you can't properly vet 1.2 million legal immigrants, let alone the illegal situation. The visa overstays. It's impossible.

[Blake]

And that's part of it. The sad thing is, is like there are some people where it would be trivial to vet that they're fine. And like we, those are the ones we actually throw up every obstacle on the world to letting in. Like anyone knows that the hardest, the people who have the hardest time coming to the US are the ones we would most obviously want here. Like someone who has world class skills in some particular field. They're the ones who have to jump through every single hoop with their employer, fill all this paperwork out, make sure they don't get whacked by the government. And then the ones who've come in with zero effort for decades on end are the people who have so little to add that, you know, they have very little history. They just walk over the border. They're working here illegally, they're coming here. They're the people who come in as guest workers and then just skip town when they would, they're supposed to come, you know, go back. They're people who come as students and they just overstay the visa and they count on the system never catching them. And that's the system we've gotten used to. There's so many people actively breaking our rules all the time that if we just bothered enforcing them at all, a huge number of problems would go away. It's a lot like crime. We see all this urban decay that happens because we just do not do the basics. You make a huge amount of crime go away. When you say you can't jump subway turnstiles when, oh, if you do graffiti, we're going to put you in jail. If you do, you know, some basic illegal gun possession charge because you're a Felon. When you enforce all those things, all the problems go down. And it's the same thing with immigration. If you're getting the people who just super obviously shouldn't be here because they don't have a work permit, because they don't have. Because they, you know, they skipped a court hearing and you just grabbed them and kicked them out right away and you were super efficient about it. So many of our problems would go away.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree. Well said. Kimberly says I sent this a couple months ago and don't recall a reply. Is there a way to listen to archive podcasts? We are working on that right now. We've been working on it for a while, actually. So our the podcast feed, this has been, you know, a discussion on social media, only puts a hundred of the past episodes out. And so once we got far enough along, obviously Charlie's own podcast got sort of timed out and they fell off the feed. It's a data thing. We're working on it right now, coming up with a solution so you can expect this week for Charlie's episodes to go back, all the way back.

[Blake]

Any live stream he ever did is on Rumble. So that's one of the easiest ways to find it.

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All right, so we have so much to get here. Welcoming to the show is James o'. Keefe. Charlie loved James. So it's great to have you back on again, sir. Good to see You.

[Interviewer]

Great to be with you. And on this breaking story in California.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, absolutely. So I'm going to play a little bit longer clip because there's a lot of info here and that'll set the table for us here. James. SOT 25. You guys need 14 signatures.

[Brenda Brown]

The petitioner, Brenda Brown, hands cash money to the homeless person not only for signing the California ballot initiative, but also as payment for them to register to vote.

[Petitioners]

Now, because you haven't registered, I need to register you so I can get paid, too. Okay, you guys, I need to get paid.

[Brenda Brown]

That is a federal felony. And it didn't just happen once. It happened over and over and over again. We personally witnessed and covertly filmed this happening at least 28 times over the span of our investigation. And that is just in Los Angeles. Many of the homeless have zero understanding of what it is that they're actually signing.

[Petitioners]

But what, what is that petition for?

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, the petition for? That's amazing, James. Even the homeless people are like, have enough sense to say, what am I signing here? Tell us, what are we watching in that? And I mean, obviously I find it to be explosive. But explain it to our audience here.

[Interviewer]

It's a federal felony for someone to pay someone to register to vote. That's a federal felony. The United States Attorney in California has already responded. They're also paying cash to get them to sign a signature on a California petition. That's a misdemeanor. That's also a crime. Could be a felony in California. So you're watching groups, petitioners, NGOs, encouraging people in Los Angeles to sign California ballot petitions to forge signatures and giving cash to get homeless to register to vote. All criminal activity. We received a statement from Governor Gavin Newsom. He said, this is illegal. People should be prosecuted. We received a statement from the Secretary of State's office in California, the lada, and the United States Attorney, and they are taking action on this.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I've been credibly told, James, that there is no election fraud, that everything's on the up and up. We obviously know that there's much more to this story than the Democrats especially want to admit. This instance, you caught them dead to rights. The significance cannot be, I think, overstated here of that. The Secretary of State from. From California has responded. You have forced a response from Gavin Newsom saying these people should be arrested.

[Interviewer]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Who are these people? Who's behind this? And how widespread do we have? Do we have any idea how widespread this is?

[Interviewer]

Well, it's very widespread. It's been happening thousands and thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of times. We captured it over 30 times just in this video. When I say captured, I mean you can actually see the cash money being exchanged to the homeless people in exchange for their signature. You can actually see that on, on the videotape. That's what makes this so, so unique. Andrew, this is not circumstantial evidence. It's not. We've heard about voter fraud or election fraud. You actually see the crime on video, which makes all the difference in the world. Who's doing it? They're petitioners. They're people who are gathering signatures for a ballot referendum in California. Who's behind them? Well, that's an interesting question. The NGOs of California, the homeless industrial complex, Winegard centers across the street, receives $800 million of government money, $112 million a year from the state on their tax return is encouraging these people to go do this. So it's a trillion dollar industry, all government funded, and it's a conspiracy. Multiple federal felonies. People want arrests, they want accountability. I actually think this story will lead to arrests. And it's not just me. We have a number of other citizen journalists involved in this. We're calling it the Justice League. Today. Kim Higbee just put out a report. Caught the same thing on video. Tomorrow there's going to be another citizen journalist. They're going to release a video every day, each day until someone is arrested. And you can see behind me in my office here, a picture of me and Charlie Kirk, which I hung on the wall. Charlie said, james, just do a few, four or five big stories a year, and this is one of them. I'm very confident this will lead to arrests.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love that. Yeah, because that's an interesting. Charlie had a good observation there, because your output is incredible, James. I mean, you are a workhorse. You have been for years now, dating back well over a decade. And Charlie had great respect for your. Your just your tirelessness, your. Your doggedness in the pursuit of truth and to expose corruption. And, and I, I kind of love that pivot. If you, if you took four to five huge stories a year like this, I think maybe the impact you could argue could even be bigger. Right. And so I think that's a really fascinating way to look at it. Charlie was always very smart about these things. And so have you made that pivot kind of officially, James?

[Interviewer]

Well, we release a story every week. Every week we release a Tuesday at 1pm we're doing a new story. What makes this different is we're calling it part of the Justice League. We're actually a collective of citizen journalists all working on the same topic at the same time. So I think it's very important for people to be united. I don't think that the conservatives are united, and I think you would agree with that right now. But we're citizen journalists. I'm an independent journalist, and I think what makes this story different is that we're all focused on the same topic at the same time. So over the next two weeks, we're going to be focused on this topic and this topic alone.

[Andrew Colvett]

Love that.

[Interviewer]

And I see us doing that about four or five times a year. People in the. In the American right are very competitive with each other. They're very independent. They're in the media. They're competing against each other. And I think that that's the thing that needs to change. People, we need to work together on the same thing so we can apply pressure on the same exact thing at the same time to get the consequences that people want. What people want is accountability. What people want are arrests. They want public accountability. They want jail, they want indictments. Otherwise, nothing's going to change. I think that things will change. This story is already getting. Gavin Newsom is not attacking me. It's interesting enough he attacked Nick Shirley yesterday. That went viral. He's not attacking us for this story. He's saying that there's going to be an arrest. I've heard back from the Lada's office, that's the Los Angeles District Attorney. They're saying that they're looking into it, and they did indict people five years ago for similar activity. What makes this story so crazy is they're paying people to register to vote. They're paying them cash, which is a federal felony. I talked to Bill Asalia, the United States Attorney in California, and he's on it. And I think that you'll see arrests here soon.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love that. And by the way, I want to underscore your point that getting rid of this competition. Cam Higby's great. Nick Shirley's great. Savannah Hernandez is great. I know that you guys are all in communication and coordinating and working on stories together now, and it's amazing. I think it's a huge development. I love to see you leading that charge, James. I think you're one of the few voices that can lead that charge. To bring all the different voices together. I want to play one other clip here. You mentioned arrests. This part shocked me when I watched it. Cut 28.

[Brenda Brown]

The law enforcement Officers sitting nearby on skid row every single day don't know the California laws and plead ignorance. It begs the question, what are they even doing? Officer Meravilla of the LAPD dismissed it as a, quote, civil lawsuit.

[Petitioners]

Do you know a lot of these people here that are making homeless sign petitions and paying cash for it?

[Officer Meravilla]

I haven't seen them. I mean, I've seen when they signed some type of paperwork, but I didn't

[Andrew Colvett]

know what they were doing.

[Officer Meravilla]

And I saw them at that right here at the light over here in the back. Yeah, but I didn't know what it was for. Like maybe like two weeks ago, I saw them signing for something, but I don't know if they were getting like, money in exchange.

[Petitioners]

Yeah, I think they're getting like two, three dollars from what I observed. Is that legal?

[Officer Meravilla]

I mean, if it's nonprofit, I mean, they're signing it. It's a consensual, more of a civil thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Correct.

[Interviewer]

I don't, I don't know what the police officers are actually doing there.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's infuriating.

[Interviewer]

I mean, it's, it's, it's so, it's, it's so crazy and surreal. I mean, there's another video clip in the, this 40 minute long video where the, the NGOs actually pretend to be the police in order to intimidate me. I mean, it's, it's. We're not living in America. I don't know what this even is at this point, but I know what your audience wants. You want arrests, not exposure. You want arrests. So in order to achieve that objective, you have to have exposure. There is no arrests without exposure. And you have to have exposure compounded over and over and over again. Specifically, people say there is no voter fraud. This is cash money on tape given to the homeless person from someone taking advantage of them, telling them who to vote for. And that's a felony. And this is a developing and breaking story and you're going to see arrests in the next few days.

[Andrew Colvett]

Amen. Well done, James o'. Keefe. How do people get involved with what you're doing? Where do they find you? Give us your coordinates.

[Interviewer]

Well, I'm involved in a lot of things. My organization is called Citizen Journalism Foundation. We're now taxed deductible. OMG. We're omgokeefmediagroup.com and this new initiative is called the Justice League. You're going to see. I know Savannah works with you guys at Turning Point. You're going to see Anthony Rubin, Cam Higbee. You're going to see a number of other citizen journalists coming out in the next few days with similar reports.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love it. Well done James. Great to have you back on. We'll touch base again soon as the arrests come down the pike. I'm excited to hear about that and tell our audience about it. Great job.

[Interviewer]

Thank you.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Lots of news today. We got through a lot. We got through the DNI testimony, Tulsi Gabbard. We also got through Mark Wayne Mullen, James o' Keefe's bombshell reporting and the potential repeal of Hart Cellar. Let's call that a long shot victory,

[Blake]

a long term project, not a long shot. A long term project we see in the future.

[Andrew Colvett]

I actually really agree with the, with, with, with that I believe that the people are with us. I believe we have popular support but it yet remains so controversial within Washington D.C. because moneyed interest. We've got the hospitality industry, we've got, we've got the farm agricultural industry but we are you know we had an AI expert his new book Code Red yesterday and we are staring at a future where so many jobs are going to be wiped off the table. I believe it's going to become absolutely a national security, maybe even a national security threat but it definitely a domestic huge preeminent issue. If we have too many people and not enough jobs there is a massive case to be made. That AI is going to wipe the table of so many jobs that we think we need all this labor for, and what are we going to do with the people that we brought in? So that's a huge, huge concern that I'm looking at. If you have seen videos, Blake, maybe you've seen them, these robots that come and pick fruit and pick vegetables faster than migrant laborers can do it when you have hundreds of them out in a field. This is going to happen. Maybe industries like, you know, hospitality, you need somebody to actually come and change the sheets or serve the drinks and the food. Maybe, you know, maybe Optimus, I believe that was what it was named by Elon Musk. The robots are going to be able to do some of this work for us in the near future. But we really, genuinely need to get serious about our immigration reform. And I am not going to stop banging the drum. We're going to have Andy Ogles back on again and again and again as this goes through committee, as it gets worked up, as the bill gets refined. This is existential to the future of the country. And candidly, it's one of those domestic issues that we need to focus on more. Blake, I feel that, you know, there's a. I think Rich Barris has laid this out pretty clearly, that there is this. This penchant to look internationally, to look at foreign wars or foreign entanglements, and we need to focus on domestic issues. I think Immigration is the 1, 2, and 3 most important domestic issue that we can tackle. Do you agree?

[Blake]

No, I think 100%, really. I think the war. If this war goes badly, nations recover from wars. Nations recover from catastrophic wars. Japan. Japan had two A bombs dropped on them. Millions of them died in World War II. It doesn't destroy the nation of Japan. They come back from that. They become one of the world's richest countries. Nations can recover from economic crashes. We recover from the Great Depression. Lots of countries have recovered from that sort of thing. What nations don't recover from is no longer being the nation that they are. And so if Britain is no longer a place of British people, if it's no longer the English and the Scots and the Welsh, it's a bunch of Pakistanis and Algerians and anyone else who's moved there. And it's not Britain anymore. Like, nations that cease to exist are no longer those nations. And history is littered with countries that stop to exist because, you know, you could say they lost control of their borders, but what really happened is you get conquered. What is conquest? It's Having other people move in and take all of your stuff and take over your things. And it's no different if you voted to do that or if your leaders chose to do that because it would stimulate the economy.

[Andrew Colvett]

Got an email here from John saying, john Solomon report on China. Yes, I brought that up earlier. That's the reason I felt like Tulsi missed an opportunity. John's reporting confirms this. Maybe we'll have him on the show tomorrow to walk us through it all, but they have had this intel for a while. So Tulsi Gabbard's involvement in our election fraud cases, investigations that are going on in Fulton county and Maricopa county makes all the sense in the world when you realize that foreign countries are, in fact, trying to attack the integrity of our election system. So I'm all for it. I just wanted. I wanted Tulsi to articulate that point. For some reason, she didn't. I'm going to trust her judgment on that. Maybe there's reasons that I'm unaware of, but it is what it is. So, yeah, John, we are aware of John Solomon's reporting on that. Absolutely. Marlene says, hey, guys. I was given to understand that we're forever stuck with Lindsey Graham because South Carolina has open primaries and Dems will make sure he stays on the ballot. Is this still the case? Because we all know Lindsey's vote goes to his highest bidder. Great job you're all doing for Charlie. Thank you. Thank you, Marlene. She's out of Florida. Blake, do you have the details on that? I believe it is an open primary, but I do think that the odds are very high that we're going to get this to a runoff. So, yeah, I mean, I would presume Democrats would probably prefer to have Lindsey Graham in just because he's bad for the brand.

[Blake]

So my understanding is it's. I don't think it's. I mean, I think you need a majority. So it will go to a runoff, which is the primary itself, I think is June 9th. I think a runoff is two or three weeks later than that if there's no 50% winner. I think that's kind of nice because it seems that people do have strong preferences between either lynch or Dan's in that primary. And. Well, it doesn't hurt as long as you're not voting for. For Lindsay. The main thing is just making sure, because I know this is so tempting on the right is you have to make sure we don't decide. Like, don't get embittered. Don't decide. You're mad at Dan's because Lynch said, you know, he's from a different state or you're super mad at lynch because actually Dan's was very kind to lynch. So I don't know what the attacks on him would be. But make sure there's no bad blood out of this race because I think

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

we're going to agree.

[Blake]

We want them to come together to get the win here after, after that goes to a runoff.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree. Got to unite the clans when this is, when they're ready to do so. Paul says, guys, no one has said that we can put a total stop to alien truckers endangering U.S. roads. The subject line says truckers cannot read English. Etc. We agree what they're doing right now at the Department of Transportation is using existing statutes or adjusting them. It's sort of using a technicality but it's, but it's within the statute. So these are levers they can pull now it, you know. So he, Paul goes on to say this is simple. Ice can be at all the stations. I actually think that that's not a bad idea. These way stations, these checkpoints put ice there. Check their, check their credentials, see if they shouldn't be on the roads. I believe that's a great idea. It says also the state police use port portable weighers. They, they stop trucks wherever. No problemo. Paul, these are great ideas. I'm actually gonna clip this and send it over to the Department of Transportation. Great ideas. They're probably talking about it. Maybe I'll send it to Mark Wayne Mullen too when he does get confirmed. I think the fireworks that we saw with Rand Paul, between Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen, I don't think it's going to be consequential. I think Fetterman is going to vote for him at committee level as well. So I think Mark Wayne Mullen is going to get confirmed. The one question that I will that that I have for Mark Wayne, he's a friend, is are you going to be rock ribbed? Are we going to stick with all of the above need to be removed. I'm down with a change in branding. I'm down with a change in tone if that gets blue states and sanctuary states to heal. But we got to be very clear, clear that the policies are not changing. Mass deportations are mandatory.

[Blake]

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