C (2:31)

Middleman frustrations. But also, it was deeply funny.

B (2:34)

It was deeply funny. It was the hapless engineer protagonist, as it was described, and a bunch of dysfunctional colleagues and it was a cultural phenomenon. It became a cultural phenomenon that people would talk about at the workplace or at the water cooler or when they're getting coffee at work. And that's why he ultimately created Coffee with Scott Adams. It was originally called Real Coffee with Scott Adams. And it became a phenomenon that many people tuned into daily. And to just get a dose of his contrarian thinking. He had a unique blend of insight, humor, wit and optimism. He was an optimist. He genuinely was. And he was one of the first people to sort of take President Trump seriously, one of the first mainstream people to take President Trump seriously. And he paid politically for that and he paid in his career for that as well. A lot of papers around the country ended up removing Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoon, from their papers. Yeah. And they, you know, and here's what they'll do, by the way, this is what they're gonna do is the same thing that they did with Charlie is they're going to cherry pick a few things that Scott maybe said, said or take it out of context. They're gonna like remove all the other context and say that Scott Adams was this bad person or whatever. No, Scott Adams was a was.

C (3:52)

He was a man in the arena, just like Charlie, where, oh, if you go out there and say things, oh, there's a risk someone might not like what you say. You might be inarticulate at some point. It's just disgusting. I want us to throw up. This is one of my favorites. Let's put up 249. This is just. You didn't have comics like this, but before. They're not comics, cartoons. So it's the pointy haired boss talking to Dilbert. My boss says we need some eunuch programmers. I think he means Unix, not eunuchs. I already, and I already know eunuchs. If the company nurse drops by, tell her I said, never mind the company nurse. I don't think, I don't think you would have seen, you would not have seen a comic strip. Like I keep saying. Yeah, a comic strip like that in.

B (4:33)

It was, it was cathartic. It was, it was syndicated worldwide by the way. That's what's amazing about it. Syndicated worldwide. So it was a phenomenon of the workplace that emerged in the 80s and 90s, probably in the 70s. And what people also probably don't know about Scott is he authored a bunch of best selling books on persuasion systems. Thinking personal success, just really great guy. I actually talked to Scott on the phone. I never met him in person. I talked to him on the phone a couple times, I was on the phone with Scott and Charlie, believe it or not, we were talking about maybe getting him on the show, how we could work together. Nothing ended up coming of those conversations. But, you know, Scott did honor Charlie when Charlie was killed. And we have that clip. He did.

C (5:20)

We have that clip. Let's make sure we have the right one here, because there were a few. Yeah. So this was. He was on Tucker's program shortly after, and he was commenting on it. So this is. I can't imagine Adams ever thought he would outlive Charlie, but this is what he had to say. Clip 239.

D (5:37)

When Charlie Kirk died, you could almost feel this massive energy being released. You know, he sort of controlled it. But when it was released, you know, his. His mortal coil was no more. I feel like that energy just went into people, and suddenly tens of millions of people simultaneously said, what can I do? What can I do right now? That's different. People don't say, I'm going to stop everything, tell me what to do. I'm going to go to church. A lot of people did. I'm going to say stuff on social media. I'm going to hunt down the people who said bad things and cancel them. But I'm going to do something. You know, we're.

B (6:24)

We're.

D (6:24)

We're going to figure out how to start another chapter of, you know, TP usa and all of that's happening, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down, you know, the vigils, etc. If anything, the energy, it might be growing. And I've never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen the Republicans turn into their own machine. And now it is a.

B (6:49)

And what's most important, I think, as well, is that Scott was wrestling with his own mortality towards the end. You know, C.S. lewis would talk about how a soldier in a foxhole actually, you know, because he was reflecting on World War I. He was a veteran of World War I, and he was. He was doing a lot of his writings and his thinking in World War II, and he said that it can be a blessing to be faced with your own mortality and to understand that you, as a soldier, you might die and to confront the Almighty and to make peace. And Scott was sort of that soldier on a field in a cultural sense, in a media sense. And he was staring down the sickness. He had metastatic prostate cancer.

C (7:29)

Prostate cancer that spread to his bones.

B (7:30)

Yeah. And so he was dealing with the fact that he knew he was probably gonna Die. He said it. I'm going to die.

C (7:36)

We're all going to die.

B (7:37)

Yes, but imminently. Right. And so. And that could be a real blessing. And so Scott was wrestling with his own mortality and was never a believer, was never a Christian. He had great respect for Christians, but he was not himself. And so we have two clips where he himself was describing this. 2:37.

E (7:54)

Many of my Christian friends and Christian followers say to me, scott, you still have time. You should convert to Christianity. And I usually just let that sit because that's not an argument I want to have. I've not been a believer and. But I also have respect for any Christian who goes out of their way to try to convert me, because how would I believe you believe your own religion if you're not trying to convert me? So I have great respect for people who care enough that they want me to convert and then go out of their way to try to convince me. So you're gonna hear for the first time today that it is my plan to convert.

B (8:44)

That's. That's a very Scott Adams way to do it.

C (8:47)

It's such an. I'm a. I'm a tech autist kind of guy.

B (8:49)

Exactly. It's like an engineer, you know, doing it in only the way he can. And I. My word to everybody that's like, you know, that might think that, you know, this isn't. That's not an authentic way to convert. I would just say everybody's different. God makes us in mysterious ways. I actually, the last DM I sent to Scott was the parable of the workers in the vineyard. And we wanted to read this really quick, for the kingdom of heaven is like the landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard. About 9 in the morning, he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, you also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right. So they went. He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. About five in the afternoon, he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, why have you been standing here all day doing nothing? Because no one has hired us, they answered. He said to them, you also go and work in my vineyard. When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going to the first. The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. These who were hired last worked only one hour, they said, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of work for the heat of the day. But he answered to them, I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who has hired last the same as I gave you. I want to remind you about a pharmacy we trust and recommend. Especially right now, when it feels like everyone's getting sick. Flu cases are up, viruses are going around. If you're a family, you know your kids are sick. But All Family Pharmacy is here to help you access medications you need without the runaround. When you don't want to wait in line and want instead your meds to be delivered to your door, you need All Family Pharmacy. When everyone around you is sick and you want to be prepared, you need All Family Pharmacy. When your doctor says they won't prescribe Ivermectin, you need All Family Pharmacy. They've got everything. Antibiotics, antivirals, Tamiflu, Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, blood pressure meds and more.

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C (11:56)

That's disgusting.

B (11:57)

There it is. Disgrace. But I'm telling you, this is the exact same playbook. Parasites. Can you take the enemies of the people, the banner off the bottom there for a second so people can see it? Yeah. So Scott. Yeah. Scott Adams Disgraced Dilbert creator dies at 68. Dilbert was pulled from wide circulation after Adams racist rant in 2020. 3 BE. It's such a garbage thing to do to somebody. And you know, this is what they did with Charlie. It's the same exact playbook where, you know, they take something that Charlie said out of context about black pilots or Martin Luther King and they strip it of all of the buildup, all of the context.

C (12:37)

It's just hateful garbage.

B (12:38)

And then, and then they use it to smear somebody, even in death. You know, somebody. Somebody retweeted my tweet on it on X and basically or quote tweeted it and said, you know, you can tell a lot about the way some, you know, a group of people by who they lionize and who their heroes are. And I'm like, you can tell a lot about somebody that even in death they refuse to be gracious and kind or at least neutral or just keep your mouth shut. So People magazines, shame on you. Absolute disgrace.

C (13:08)

We got someone who sent in their favorite Dilbert. They had a. They have a Dilbert strip hanging in their cubicle. Yeah, And Dilbert talking to the pointy haired boss. May I talk to you after the mandatory meeting?

B (13:19)

Whoa, whoa.

C (13:19)

I didn't give you approval to attend that meeting. The meeting is mandatory. Approval is mandatory too. Okay, whatever. May I go to the mandatory meeting? All requests must be in writing. It's mandatory. It's mandatory. If people start bending the rules, before long murder will be legal. And then it shows him talking to his co worker afterwards. That was the best mandatory meeting I've ever been to. They handed out free cash. Shut up.

B (13:46)

It's funny. It's good. I was never like really that into cartoons, but I was really into like. It was one of. It was coffee was read like three.

C (13:54)

Of them and that was one of them.

B (13:55)

Yeah, well, there's not a lot.

C (13:58)

There's a lot of them are really bad. Do they still exist?

B (14:00)

I guess.

C (14:01)

Do newspapers still exist?

B (14:03)

They do. They do exist, Blake. It's. Yeah, there are newspapers. Listen, I just want to remember that Scott took a great personal toll for this. And the way the verse ends with the parable of the workers in the vineyard is that the first will be last and the last will be first. And so Scott came to his faith at the end almost as like Pascal's wager. And maybe Blake, if you want to describe that for the audience.

C (14:38)

Oh yeah, so he does. Then there's another clip where he's more forthright about it. Even that. So Blaise Pascal was a French mathematician who laid out an argument that basically you should embrace theism. You should Embrace Christianity because the rewards of eternal life are great. And the if you're wrong, you're just worm food. So you lose nothing. Now, the funny thing is, is Pascal, a very logical man himself, did not convert for that reason. He had a religious experience one night, just had a divine vision and he was a super Christian after that. But it's an argument that has a lot of. It's debated a lot, certainly among, you know, computer programmer types who are.

B (15:12)

Well, this is exactly what Scott Adams is. Sort of an engineering brain, a contrarian thinker. And so he did sort of wrestle with the risk reward analysis. And some people might say that's not authentic. I think it was the most authentic way Scott could approach faith that he struggled to embrace his whole life. And so I would just say welcome. Welcome to the fold. You know, we're honored to have you, Scott, and, you know, may you rest in peace. And we expect to see you someday. And I hope you say hi to Charlie for us up there.

C (15:43)

He was the man in the arena. That's all those attacks on him. You think of that Theodore Roosevelt quote. I know Charlie was a fan of it. It's not the critic who counts. It's the man who's in the arena, the man who is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly. That's the man who. Who matters. And that's what he was doing. He could be attacked by people because he bothered to say something that was relevant and controversial. Period.

B (16:06)

Yep, exactly. And you know, I think it was Matt Walsh who said, you know, especially in the aftermath of Charlie's death, and he was reflecting on all the attacks against Charlie from the left or whatever, and he basically was just like, may we all experience. May our enemies rejoice when we die, because that means we were truly effective. And the fact that they just like the pettiness of it, I think just makes them disgraced.

C (16:31)

Dilbert creator.

B (16:32)

I think it makes them look disgraceful. The only party disgraced in this instance is people. All right, that is it. The fact that you could just say Dilbert creator Scott Adams dies at 68. Why couldn't you just go with that? Guess not.

C (16:45)

Infamous cartoonist? Famous cultural commentator.

B (16:50)

Well, yeah, I mean, like for real. And obviously he means a lot to a lot of people mourning him. The whole, you know, of X is mourning him. The vice President is sending out tweets. There's gonna.

C (17:01)

I feel we're actually underselling this just cause it's been a long time. And what really made him super notable with Our faction is in 2015, 2016. He was one of the first guys to really take Trump seriously as a political candidate who would lay out an argument. Okay, what Trump is doing when he's on stage where it's unpredictable and silly and he's. He's saying stuff that seems outlandish, he's actually doing something powerfully persuasive to people and he could win the election doing this. And he was just saying this back when everyone else on television was saying, oh, he's just a dumb clown. It's never gonna go anywhere. He was saying, no, you guys are wrong about this. And he put his. Well, he put his reputation where his mouth was and he was proved right. Trump actually did win that election.

B (17:45)

Yeah, well said. I think you're right. And there is kind of this cast of like OG MAGA originals, like the Mike Cernoviches, the Jack Posobics, the Charlie Kirks, the Scott Adams, the people that saw early on, I don't even know.

C (17:57)

That he was a Trump supporter. He was just actually willing to say, this guy is effective at what he does and it's going to be persuasive to people. It was that master persuader line he used. I remember that one.

B (18:08)

Yeah, well, no, absolutely. And you know, his wife read a statement this morning in the. They did a coffee with Scott Adams after his passing. We had heard that he went to hospice, but his wife confirmed that he was of sound mind and that he did accept Jesus Christ. So God bless Scott and thank you for your contribution. We honor you on this show because we honor brave men and women that stand up for what's right, that are the men in the arena that do take the slings and arrows for the rest of us. Charlie was one of these men. Scott was one of these men. And, you know, it's really sad to lose two great Americans in such quick order. It really is. And that was the first thought I had when I saw the news this morning that it breaks my heart that we've lost another one. It really does. Because, listen, people are going to come and they're going to fill the ranks. You know, I'm loving the, you know, some of these people like Nick Shirley, that are coming and doing great things and we want more. We need more in this space. We need more sane actors, more rational actors, more persuasive actors and good faith actors. And Scott was one of those people that.

C (19:23)

And talented ones, too, because he wasn't just a political guy. He was a hugely. He was a. He had something funny and interesting to say and millions of people are going to remember him for that. And that's a good thing to aspire to as well.

B (19:36)

Yeah, absolutely.

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Our team that runs our merch has been like begging me to do this. So I'm going to do this. The charliekirkshow store.com you can also just go to charliekirk.com and link to it. But the Charlie Kirk show store we have a new vintage collection of some of Charlie's original T shirts that he had made when we started the show. And there's been a lot of people that email us and ask for all of this stuff. So I wanted to make sure I did that because they've been asking me for like three or four days and I keep forgetting. So Charlie Kirk Show Store. The Charlie Kirk show Store. Or just go to charliekirk.com and we have it on the main page. You can link over to it. But we have the vintage collection. God is real. Be better, work harder Patriot. We have the bracelets that Charlie would wear the be better work harder there and it's all the original stuff. So please check it out and support the team here. Would love for you to do that. And the other thing I wanted to address Blake and I were talking about in the break. A lot of you have emailed us@freedomarliekirk.com wanting the entire catalog of past Charlie Kirk shows. We are working on that. We're going to get it up and I don't have a timeline yet of when we can get that done, but we are working on it. Please rest assured we want to make it it really easy for you all to just access all the old episodes of Charlie directly. And so we are working on that. Please rest be rest assured. And we've got, there's, there's projects at the turning point side to get a bunch of Charlie's content also like AI searchable.

C (22:16)

And until then, I just know if you want to find something. Now all of our old live streams are on Rumble. It can be annoying to scroll through.

B (22:23)

Them, but you can find them.

C (22:24)

And you can see our episodes have a pretty formulaic date listing. So if you go to, if you search Charlie Kirk show on Rumble with that date format, you can probably find that old episode very easily.

B (22:34)

Yeah. So again, thecharlicirkshowstore.com check it out there. Great work from the team, by the way, getting all those up. And it's a lot of work that the merch team does. And I'm really proud of him. Okay, without further ado, we have John Carney. He's the Economist editor. I believe I got that right. I was doing Breitbart Economics editor. There you go from Breitbart News. He has been fantastic on specifically tariffs. But there's other economic news we want to get to, but we'll start there. So, Jon, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's great to have you.

G (23:09)

Yeah, thanks for having me back.

B (23:11)

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, Trump has this 25% tariff announcement for anybody doing business with Iran. Simultaneously, there is a SCOTUS ruling that we're eagerly awaiting, probably tomorrow, whether or not he's even lawfully legally able to do this. Give us the update, please.

G (23:29)

So, yeah, we're waiting and it could come tomorrow. The Supreme Court never tells us in advance what decisions they're going to announce. We think they want to get to this one pretty quickly. A lot of people thought it was going to be the end of last week or this. It could be on Wednesday or Thursday or it could be anytime in the next couple of weeks. One of the things that Trump's recent tariff announcement does, though, is shows how important tariffs can be to foreign policy. And this is one of the arguments for why the president should be able to impose tariffs on countries. Because it is really important to our attempt to try to contain Iran and to use the US's consumer market, which everybody in the world wants access to, to you discipline the rest of the world. If you're going to do business with Iran, you're going to have to pay a lot higher tariff to sell your stuff into the us. I think that's. It actually really does strengthen his position that this is a core part of a president's ability to deal with the rest of the world. A core foreign policy power.

B (24:46)

Yeah. It strikes me, John, is this kind of like Trump's this. This maverick. He's creative with the way he approaches foreign policy and he implements these new techniques. They're not new, but certainly in modern American, especially presidential history, he's using them in ways others haven't really done before. And he's being more public about it, he's being more brash about it, and because he's been creative with how he's wielded tariffs, he's now getting punished for it. They're coming after him saying, well, now we wanna take that away from you because you're doing it in a way that we hadn't thought about before, and so we just wanna punish Trump. But to your point, what happens if the Supreme Court rules against the Trump administration? In this particular case, I've seen some reports that we have to pay back upwards of $300 billion in tariff revenue. Is this even feasible? Is this possible? Is this gonna happen?

G (25:34)

I don't think the Supreme Court is likely to order the US government to pay back hundreds of billions in tariffs, which is one of the reasons. Look, I listened to the oral arguments. The justices were super skeptical about whether or not Trump really does have the statutory authority, because, as you point out, there's not a lot of precedent for this. The law that they're using, the International Emergency Economic Powers act, is, people call it ipa, has never been used to impose tariffs. Ironically, everybody agrees that the President could sanction a country, you could even embargo countries. You can say you can't sell anything, but apparently their theory is that you can say you can completely shut off a country from access to the US market, but you can't charge a 10% tariff for them to be able to sell into the US market. That seems wrong to me, but the Supreme Court was skeptical that Trump has this much authority. I don't think they rule that it all has to be paid back from the U.S. treasury. I think what they're most likely to do is is come to some sort of compromise where they say, yes, the President can impose some tariffs, but there's a, you know, they might make up a time limit. It's called the Emergency Powers Act. So maybe they say an emergency can't last forever, so you have a year. So that would mean we could keep all the tariffs we have. And it gives the Trump administration some time to, there's a lot of other statutes that allow the President to impose tariffs. So if these ones get struck down or get time limited, I think President Trump can come back with other ways of going, of erecting tariffs. And frankly, I think the US Senate and the House should, if the Supreme Court decides this, should actually just completely reverse it and say, no, we think the President does need this power.

B (27:24)

Yeah, but wasn't there, I mean, pushback even from the Republican side of the aisle? There was Rand Paul, I believe, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski. The question then becomes, you know, you've kind of got these tricky Republicans in the Senate that we're not. So we talk about this when we're discussing nuking the filibuster, for example, you've still got Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. That puts you at 49. You're not even at that 5050 mark. So JD Vance can cast a tie breaking vote. You gotta get one of those tricky senators on board. And then you got Thom Tillis, who knows what's happening with him right now. He's causing a stink with the Fed.

G (28:04)

So traditionally you had a lot of Democrats who would vote in favor of tariffs and supported tariffs. There may still be some hiding out there. The question is whether or not like their Trump derangement syndrome has overtaken what used to be their loyalty to the, you know, to American labor and to the working class. Maybe it has. And maybe they cannot, as a Democrat bring themselves to vote for a, you know, a tariff authority for Trump. But they should. It's good for working Americans. And Democrats constantly claim that's who they're protecting. And so, you know, the fact that they won't, that would be a revealing moment, frankly.

B (28:43)

Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree, John. And you've got core consumer prices rise less than expected. So core CPI is less than expected. You've got, what was it, a four point, I forget now, 4.9 number that we got the revision for Q3 and now even got the Atlanta Fed saying that we're expecting 5.3% GDP growth in Q4. Potentially. That's their estimate. It might be high, whatever. But the point is, it seems like the economic indicators are all going in the right direction right now. Part of the reason that is is because the doomsdayers about tariffs have been proven wrong again and again and again.

G (29:21)

Yeah, absolutely been proven wrong. Look, unemployment fell. Inflation is much lower than anybody expected. The economy is growing at rates much faster than anybody expected. I think that everybody's got this wrong when they said that the tariffs were going to somehow derail the economy or push up prices. The opposite has happened. We're having an investment boom in America. The news is good. The Trump administration needs to get that news out there. But frankly, I think it's going to get out to the American people because you just need to drive by a gas station and see that the Biden inflation crisis is in our rearview mirror. And what's ahead, what's in our front, what's in front of us is very good.

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I'm just checking out. By the way, CharlieKirkStore.com will also get you there. And I love this one. We have this. I'm just humbled by God's grace picture. I didn't even know we had that. And it's Charlie after we won in November, kind of holding his hands to his face. It's beautiful. Anyways, so also other Charlie stuff, one.

C (31:48)

Of our team members, Danny, sent us the speaking of tariffs, Charlie being really irate about Chinese made baseballs.

B (31:56)

That's right.

C (31:57)

There is nothing more American than baseball. Baseballs should not be made in China, period. Tariff imported baseballs and make them all in America. Made in China on a baseball is a disgrace.

B (32:09)

Facts, facts. One of his best takes. John Carney, you're with us here. We're reacting to all the news here. There's a lot of economic news. It is Breitbart economics editor John so the Chicken Littles, the sky is falling. Economists, they have been proven wrong, but they're still going after it. They keep saying there was reports this morning saying that his Fed approach has already been proven wrong. Can you describe this story? So Judge Jeanine, I call her Judge Jeanine still. So she's got charges or she's indicting Jerome Powell, some of these corruption allegations about the federal building that he's been constructing for years. They call him Too Late Powell. Give us the lowdown here with Jerome Powell.

G (32:57)

So what what happened is Jerome Powell did something unprecedented on Sunday night. He posted a video in which he said that he has received subpoenas from the Justice Department and he went far beyond denying having done it, you know, done anything wrong with the renovation of what people are calling the Fed Mahal, this $2.5 billion renovation to their headquarters. He and he denied and he went beyond denying misleading a Senate panel when he testified about it. He actually accused the Trump administration of using this inquiry into these matters into to try to subvert the independence of the Federal Reserve. He has no evidence of that at all. And in fact, the president immediately said, no, we're not doing that. Judge Jeanine Pirro, who is the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said that's not what's happening. What happened was we had a bunch of questions about the renovation. We tried to get the Fed to answer them. They wouldn't answer the questions, which is outrageous for any part of the government to not answer inquiries from the Department of Justice. And so we had to issue subpoenas. She pointed out they haven't indicted anyone. What they are doing is just seeking answers to questions. Powell escalated this into a crisis and then you had the legacy media freak out, act like Donald again, sort of Trump derangement syndrome, assuming the worst possible interpretation of this, that Donald Trump was using the Justice Department to go after Powell to try to seize control of the Fed. None of that is happening. And in fact, that's one of the reasons the markets have reacted to this so calmly, because people aren't seeing this as a power grab by Trump. They're seeing it as actually a very aggressive move by Powell. Look, Powell is out of office as chairman in May. Trump doesn't need to go after anybody. He gets to appoint the next guy. So the idea that, like Trump would use the Justice Department to pursue Powell now doesn't really make any sense. And that doesn't appear to be what happened.

B (35:08)

Yeah, the so Trump, thank you for that explanation. That's actually really clarifying. Trump is touring a Ford factory right now. He's kind of touting domestic manufacturing. So we hear this number a lot, John, about how many trillions of dollars of investment, foreign direct investment, businesses investing in the United States. Again, Scott Bessen has said that 2025 was setting the table. 2026 is the banquet and the feast. How true is that going to be? What can we expect? What are you looking at as far as growth rates in 2026? Because I'm thinking about midterms. So I want to know, are we going to make the deadline? Are people going to feel it financially before the midterms?

G (35:49)

I do think they will. In fact, if you look at the growth rate, we had 3.8 and 4.1, 3.8 in the second quarter, 4.1 in the second or the third now. And now it looks like we may be growing again. That Atlanta Fed, as you mentioned, says above 5%. That seems probably a overestimation to me, but we're certainly growing at a very rapid rate. The, the American people will feel this. One of the probably the biggest way they'll feel this is in their wages going up much faster than inflation. That's great because it means people have more purchasing power. It means that things that they need to buy become more affordable. We're also seeing the price of energy, particularly gasoline, come down dramatically. That will also help a lot going into the midterms. It is one of gasoline is one of those things that people really get upset about. I think the relief on the energy side will actually and then that filters into all sorts of products you buy. So I think that will indeed actually help us grow really rapidly going into this new year. We sort of have this momentum built up from 2025. 2026 looks like it's going to be even stronger.

B (37:06)

John Carney, great work as always. We'll see what happens with SCOTUS on the tariff rulings. But it's good to hear that President Trump and the Trump administration have other outs, other levers they can pull to kind of exert their tariff agenda, because I think it's actually really important from a foreign policy, also a domestic policy standpoint. Thank you for adding a lot of light, a lot of clarity. Thank you. John Carney.

G (37:27)

Thanks for having me, guys.

B (37:28)

Absolutely. We'll have you back on again soon because I think this issue is not going away anytime soon.

G (37:38)

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B (37:42)

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