Rudy Giuliani Sounds Off On Voter Fraud

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Title: Rudy Giuliani Sounds Off On Voter Fraud
Date: December 4, 2020
Guests: Rudy Giuliani (Former Mayor of New York)
Theme:
Charlie Kirk hosts Rudy Giuliani for an exclusive episode focused primarily on voter fraud allegations during the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election, particularly in battleground states like Georgia and Pennsylvania. The discussion centers around affidavits, video evidence, constitutional implications for state legislatures, and actionable steps for audience activism regarding election integrity and the upcoming Georgia Senate runoff.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Election Fraud Allegations & Evidence

• Scope of Allegations:
  Giuliani claims extensive evidence of election fraud, spanning multiple battleground states (Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia), with about 1,000 affidavits and 50-60 witnesses.

  • “We've now presented 50 or 60 witnesses. We've presented them with about 1,000 affidavits, all of which constitute evidence. Most of it is firsthand eyewitness testimony of people seeing fraud being perpetrated.” – Giuliani [02:47]

• Specific Examples:

  • Arizona: Repeatedly counting ballots for Biden.
  • Pennsylvania: GOP observers allegedly excluded from viewing 800,000 mail ballots, with 700,000 more ballots counted than sent out.
  • Georgia: Suspicious video evidence from the vote counting center with boxes of ballots brought out after observers and press had been sent home.

Notable Quote

“There are 700,000 mail in ballots that are not matched with a serial number, which means they came out of the blue, they fell down from heaven.”
— Rudy Giuliani [03:54]

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2. Deep Dive Into Georgia Video Evidence

• Description of the Video:
  Giuliani details video footage allegedly showing ballots being hidden and counted after observers left the Georgia counting center.

  • Ballots brought into the center in the morning and concealed under a table covered with a black cloth.
  • At 11 PM, staff and press are told counting is over for the day, everyone leaves, but a small group stays and proceeds to count ballots.
  • Giuliani calls the video a “smoking gun,” comparing the alleged conduct to a heist.

Notable Quote

“I don't think I ever had evidence that good. Maybe a bank robbery every once in a while. I mean it lays out the whole crime.”
— Rudy Giuliani [06:10]

• Impact Assessment:
  • Alleged to involve 30,000 ballots, enough to flip state results.
  • Further claims that 96,000 mail ballots in Georgia were counted without proof of return.

Notable Quote

“You don't need any more than that tape to change the election.”
— Rudy Giuliani [09:11]

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3. Critique of Law Enforcement & Political Leadership

• Targeted Criticism:
  • Frustration with inaction from state officials such as Governor Kemp and Secretary of State Raffensperger, as well as federal authorities like the FBI.
  • Compares the response to aggressive investigations in other political cases.

Notable Quote

“They subpoenaed Roger Stone at 5 o'clock in the morning and raided his house. ... They didn't bother to go to the Fulton County Democratic office and rip it all apart.”
— Rudy Giuliani [13:24]

• Giuliani’s Prescription:
  State legislatures (not governors or courts) have the constitutional authority to determine the true winner in the event of suspected election fraud:
  • Repeated reference to Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution.
  • Legislatures should call their own sessions and act independently to award electors.

Notable Quote

“They can take it back anytime they want. ... What he said in the case of suspected fraud, that's exactly when they're supposed to take it over.”
— Rudy Giuliani [15:35]

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4. National Pattern & Coordination Allegations

• Patterns Across States:
  • Alleged simultaneous suspicious events in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania; late-night ballot dumps favoring Biden.
  • Describes the “mail ballot debacle” as a coordinated “backup plan” to steal the election.

Notable Quote

“This was coordinated. The mail ballot debacle was their fallback for how to steal this election.”
— Rudy Giuliani [18:41]

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5. Audience Action & Mobilization

• Advocacy for Activism:
  • Giuliani and Kirk urge grassroots listeners to contact state legislators, especially GOP leaders, to press for investigation and intervention.
  • Warns of consequences within the Republican Party for inaction.

Notable Quote

“We should put these people on the spot...if they don't make the right decision, there's gonna be real, real problem within the Republican party for them.”
— Rudy Giuliani [24:34]

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6. Georgia Senate Runoff: To Vote or Not?

• Kirk’s and Giuliani’s Position:
  Strongly oppose boycotting the Georgia runoffs despite anger over alleged election fraud; emphasize national importance of keeping Senate under GOP control.

Notable Quote

“We need a Republican Senate with President Trump, even more, God forbid, without him. So that has to be separated. ... You can do two things at once.”
— Rudy Giuliani [27:04]

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7. Step-by-Step “Solution Pathway” Outlined by Giuliani

• Process for State Legislatures:
  • Pressure the Speaker and Majority Leader in both houses of the legislature (Georgia and other states).
  • Legislatures can call their own special sessions to examine evidence and decide on electors without governor input.

Notable Quote

“They can call their own special session. ... They can hear witnesses, and they can make a vote and decide what's the legitimate count and then award electives based on that.”
— Rudy Giuliani [28:36]

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Notable & Memorable Moments

• Bank Heist Analogy:
  The repeated equating of alleged ballot fraud to a bank heist or Hollywood movie:

  “Right out of a Pierce Brosnan movie for a bank heist...” — Rudy Giuliani [07:50]
  “It's like watching five people in a bank. Everybody leaves for the day. They lock the door, they blow open the safe, and they take the money.” — Rudy Giuliani [13:11]

• The “Zapruder Film” Comparison:
  Kirk refers to the Georgia video as the “Zapruder film” of election fraud:

  “I'm convinced, Mr. Mayor, that what you caught on tape in Atlanta, in Georgia, is the missing piece. It's the Zapruder film, if you will, of this entire kind of network.” — Charlie Kirk [17:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:20] – Giuliani joins, gives national overview on evidence and affidavits.
• [05:39] – Discussion of Georgia vote-count video; “Pierce Brosnan movie” analogy.
• [10:50] – Disclosure on how Giuliani’s team obtained the Georgia center video.
• [13:16] – Critique of law enforcement for lack of subpoenas and immediate action.
• [14:33] – Debate over state officials’ (Kemp, Raffensperger) response.
• [17:32] – Kirk draws “Zapruder film” analogy, broad discussion of nationwide patterns.
• [19:32] – Calls for audience action: contact legislators, demand courage.
• [24:20] – Giuliani outlines the political and legal process for solving disputed elections.
• [27:00] – Direct advice on not boycotting the Georgia Senate runoff.
• [28:25] – Clear breakdown of steps for pressuring state legislatures.
• [29:43] – Closing exhortations for activism and thanks.

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Tone & Style

The episode is highly charged, blending legal arguments with urgent calls for activism and deep skepticism toward GOP and public officials perceived as unwilling to act. Both Kirk and Giuliani maintain an unapologetically combative, urgency-driven tone and repeatedly emphasize themes of courage, patriotism, and injustice.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show offers a sweeping indictment of the 2020 election process in key states, with Giuliani providing detailed claims of election fraud, especially via affidavits and key video evidence in Georgia. The discussion pivots toward constitutional remedies and grassroots mobilization, urging listeners to pressure Republican legislators to intervene. The episode closes with a forceful call to remain engaged in electoral fights, particularly in the Georgia Senate runoffs, while retaining a sharply critical stance against perceived cowardice or complicity in the party’s leadership.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk show, an exclusive episode with Rudy Giuliani. We talk about the Georgia Senate runoff. We talk about voter fraud and what you can do to help make sure that justice is served in these states. If you guys want to support us, go to charliekirk.com support email us your questions freedomarliekirk.com and if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war. Rudy Giuliani is here. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Rudy Giuliani]

I want you to know we are

[Charlie Kirk]

lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Narrator/Host Introduction]

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Rudy Giuliani]

I'm doing fine, Charlie. How about you?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, I'm doing excellent. I just want to commend you and compliment you on your heroic work the last couple weeks in fighting for voter integrity and election integrity. Just give us an update. How are things going? You've been in Arizona and Michigan, all over the country, really revealing some incredible affidavits and instances of fraud. How are things going from the front lines?

[Rudy Giuliani]

Well, I think things are going very well. You wouldn't know it because of course it doesn't get covered because it's covered up, except by you and Oan and a couple of the honest meteor outlets. But the fact is we've now presented 50 or 60 witnesses. We've presented them with about 1,000 affidavits, all of which constitute evidence. Most of it is firsthand eyewitness testimony of people seeing fraud being perpetrated. Like in Arizona, we have people that saw a ballot for Biden entered eight or 10 times and the one for Trump entered only once. In Pennsylvania, every single one of our observers was excluded, sometimes by force. Not just sometimes, a lot of times by force. So they couldn't observe around 800,000 ballots, mail in ballots that were being put in when we know that there's a problem with their mail in ballots. When you look at the final count in Pennsylvania, there are 700,000 more mail in ballots than mail in ballots that were returned. So when you return a mail in ballot, you match it with the serial number. There are 700,000 mail in ballots that are not matched with a serial number, which means they came out of the blue, they fell down from heaven. Maybe they were driven there from Bethpage, New York. That is so powerful evidence of fraud. The cowardly legislators in Pennsylvania. The Republican leadership is trying to avoid its constitutional responsibility to take over and to change the result to reflect who really won. They have that obligation under The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2, puts the finger of constitutional responsibility right on the state legislature, nobody else. And some of our Republicans there are more than hiding under their desk. It's pathetic to watch it.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that's in Pennsylvania. And also we have suspicious activity from Republican secretary of State, Republican governors across the country as well. And if it wasn't for your, you know, dare I call it an integrity roadshow, I think that the media would have completely, not just ignored it, but they would have moved on, you know, fundamentally and categorically. But what you guys have done a great job of doing is laying out the evidence, doing these extensive and thorough hearings with all the witnesses. And I can tell you, Mr. Mayor, it might not be covered by the networks, but tens of millions of people are watching these hearings.

[Rudy Giuliani]

I know that. I know that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's a really exciting time to be able to look at how digital communication shows like ours are able to do that. We've been broadcasting all of your hearings. Can you talk about what we saw yesterday in Georgia? A friend of mine was testifying alongside of you, Jackie Pick. She's phenomenal, of course, and I've known her for years. Can you just reinforce what we saw in that video and the significance of that? Because if that's not glaring evidence, I mean, oh my goodness, I would say

[Rudy Giuliani]

I prosecuted, you know, I oversaw 5,000. I probably personally prosecuted close to 100. I don't think I ever had evidence that good. Maybe a bank robbery every once in a while. I mean it lays out the whole crime. So the security cameras were on in the center all day. I don't think they knew that that was done by the center. So very quickly what you see is when they start counting in the morning before anybody gets there, a women with blonde braided hair comes in with a group of boxes and puts them under a table that is then covered with a black cloth. Very, very big table, a gigantic dining room size table or conference table. A black blanket is put over it. Behind it is a white blanket over either another table or maybe a bin that has votes in, stays there from 8:30 on. All day people are walking around, walking around. One of the things you can see first of all is the observers were a football field away from what they were observing. So every vote observed that day wasn't observed. So every vote counted that day has to be discounted. They violated the law which said you have to allow the public and the opposition to view the mail in ballots. If you just look at the, if you just look at the video, you will see that the observers were. It looks to me like a football field away, maybe it's 80 yards. But they all testify one after another. We couldn't see it even with binoculars. Well, that wasn't good enough for them. At about 11 o' clock they announced that they were finished for the day. And a lot of the Democrats left, all the Republicans left and eventually all the press left. They waited for that to happen. You can see it on the tape. They check it out to make sure there's nobody around. They lock up the doors. And right out of a Pierce Brosnan movie for a bank heist, I mean the woman who first brought in the ballot goes under the table and pulls out the first group of ballots and she rushes over to a counting station and, and she hands it to another woman at the counting station. She goes back she gets another group of ballots. She goes to another county station. She's followed by another woman who takes out another, and finally by a man in a red shirt. And they're there at the counting station. And it's obvious what they're doing. They're telling the people to rush just in case somebody comes in. So we calculate, we tried to do the arithmetic as best we could. We calculate that the minimum number of ballots that were counted that way, it's like 6,000 ballots in two hours, five machines, 30,000 fraudulent votes. Charlie, that's enough to change the. You don't need any more than that tape to change the election.

[Charlie Kirk]

The whole state.

[Rudy Giuliani]

I mean, those ballots are clearly being counted fraudulently by Democratic officeholders. That's 6,000 under the law of Georgia or anybody else's law, should be deducted from the Democratic count and they lose 30,000 votes. That's not to mention 196,000 votes that they counted of mail ballots that were never returned. So when you return a mail ballot, you check the serial number and you say, oh, mail ballot return check, check, check. There are 96,000 mail ballots voted where there is no indication they were ever returned. Those 30,000 are probably part of that, as well as the ones they would slip in and then the ones they would double and triple count, which was also observed. Now, unlike Pennsylvania, my sense of the legislature in Georgia was real anger, even a little bit on the Democrat side. So I am hopeful that the legislature may take it over. They may take this over and exercise their ultimate responsibility under the Constitution, make findings of fact and award the state to Donald Trump, who won it.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that doesn't even count the signature verification issues, the voter registration problems, the out of state voters. We're just talking about this one thing of discovery. I have a couple questions on that. First of all, how did you guys get this first footage? And why is it you and your team that's been able. Yeah, go ahead.

[Rudy Giuliani]

I can't exactly tell you who the in between person was, but we were informed that the center keeps its own video cam. You know, they have it there when games are on. They have it. And basically we asked if it was turned off during the process and the answer was no. It goes 24 hours a day. So, I mean, it sounds like it was a bit of an oversight by the crooks. I mean, you know, Charlie, I've caught a lot of crooks and they always make a mistake, no matter how smart they think they are. But this is a smoking gun tape. You see the woman Bring the ballots in. You see her hide them. They go through a whole phony day of counting ballots. As soon as they get everybody out, they lock up the doors, they pull out the phony ballots. And then if you look at the. You look at the vote count, heat goes up. 176,000 votes. Biden does.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Rudy Giuliani]

Gosh. I was there with several former law enforcement people from Georgia, from Florida, and from New York. And all of us left that day completely shocked that the FBI hadn't issued a subpoena already. My goodness. They subpoenaed Roger Stone at 5 o' clock in the morning and raided his house. They subpoenaed Michael Cohen at 4 o' clock in the morning. They subpoenaed Manafort. Ripped their houses apart, ripped their law offices apart. They didn't bother to go to the Fulton County Democratic office and rip it all apart. I mean, it's possible the evidence is gone. They sure as hell has given them a lot of time. But they may have left something behind. I mean, all those machines should be impounded. All those extra machines where they're communicating should be taken. All their cell phones should be taken. Nothing. Zero. You look at that tape and you are a professional law enforcement officer, you know a serious crime is being committed. It's like watching a bank. It's like watching five people in a bank. Everybody leaves for the day. They lock the door, they blow open the safe, and they take the money. It's not much. Not much different than that, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

So is Kemp and Raffensperger, are they agreeing with you? Kemp sent out a statement. I have seen a tone shift where all of a sudden, previously, they thought their elections were perfect and wonderful, but now their fraud is being exposed.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Well, I mean, his statement was okay, but it was about as tepid and as timid and as it could be. I mean, there may be something wrong. Come on, pal. Don't you have eyes? They hid away votes, got rid of the press, got rid of the Republicans, and the Democrats counted the votes, and it amounts to 30,000 illegal votes. Election over. Now you want to do the rest, do the rest. And we had Professor Eastman testify, who was brilliant. Professor Eastman taught them constitutional law. Professor Eastman said the Founding Fathers already have thought about this question, as they did almost every question. And he said, the finger of responsibility here, sometimes it's in different places. The finger of responsibility here is on the state legislature. Under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution, it's the legislature who has the sole responsibility for conducting presidential electoral elections. They have what is called in the Supreme Court, most recent Supreme Court case, plenary power. They can take it back anytime they want. They can take it over anytime they want. And what he said in the case of suspected fraud, that's exactly when they're supposed to take it over. So he told them, you don't even need a special session because you're being governed by the US Constitution, not the state constitution. The governor has no right to call you or not call you. The Constitution gave the governor no role in this. They could call their own session, they could hold hearings, and they could decide. We found fraud in this election, and we are awarding the delegates to trump or actually not certify if they feel they can't get there. But I think in this particular case, the evidence is pretty clear. We also, on this very good day, we had a crazy decision in Pennsylvania where the leadership has basically refused to go any further. I know the members of the Pennsylvania legislature, the Republican members, are convinced that that election was stolen in Pennsylvania. We have the most evidence in Pennsylvania and in Michigan. There's something wrong with our leadership in that state. I went to see them, I laid out the evidence for them. I proved to them in five different ways how the case was stolen in Pennsylvania. And then they just put out this terse statement, we're not going to get involved in it. It's like, oh my God, you're asking us. Exercise a constitutional responsibility, we may get criticized. I don't know where we find these people, Charlie. Not where we found our patriots in the past.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, no kidding. And you have been on top of the Arizona example as well, and Wisconsin. I am convinced, Mr. Mayor, that what you caught on tape in Atlanta, in Georgia, is the missing piece. It's the Zapruder film, if you will, of this entire kind of network. Cuz I think that was duplicated all across the country. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras in Wisconsin.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Well, we're still looking. Look. Also, the interesting thing, Charlie, is it all happens at about the same time in the middle of the night, about 3 o'. Clock. There's 180,000 boost for Biden, something like 180,000 votes for Biden, about 4,000 votes for Trump, 80,000 for Biden and 4,000 for Trump. Very similar thing. At the same time in Michigan, when a truck comes in, three trucks come in with ballots and garbage pails and they get counted and he takes a bump of 140,000. Very similar in Pennsylvania. So this was coordinated. The mail ballot debacle was their fallback for how to steal this election.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Rudy Giuliani]

And they got caught because they were surprised at the big margins they had to overcome, particularly in Pennsylvania. They never expected to be behind by 800,000 votes. You got to steal a lot of votes to make up for 800,000. And just in case you think I'm crazy, let me tell you about Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has counted 700,000 more mail in ballots than they sent out. How's that possible unless you're making them up?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's unbelievable.

[Rudy Giuliani]

And these idiots who run it, these cowardly Republicans, hands are shaking about doing something about it. I mean, how long do you think it would have taken Democrats to act on this?

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Jeez.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so, Mr. Mayor, we're in touch with hundreds of thousands of grassroots patriots. You know, we're on radio stations across the country. A lot of people are feeling not just outraged, they want to do something. And they're wondering, what party is the Republican Party anymore? It seems as if it's you. It's Jenna Ellis and a couple others here that are keeping this.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Oh, my goodness. You know, please, I Would tell you, Charlie, we've got a lot of support, even in the legislature. The members, I think if these leaders would let them loose, we win. The members are as outraged as Republicans nationwide. And if I were to do something, I would flood their offices, like Cutler in Pennsylvania and Bowers, the speaker in Arizona. I would flood them with letters saying, we don't want you to do anything wrong, but we also don't want you to get taken advantage of by crooked Democrats. Which is what is happening right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Because you're afraid that people are gonna be mean to you. I mean, that's so ridiculous. People are mean to me, but if I do the right thing, I can wake up in the morning and feel good about myself.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and Mr. Mayor, you brought New York through an unspeakable tragedy. Heroically, you were involved in locking up the five crime families and their affiliates. You know crimes when you see it and what you see here. And just based on my own independent analysis, this looks like an organized criminal network that was in place. And the only reason they got caught is because of the margins, as you mentioned, and they got desperate.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Exactly right. This was their backup plan. This is what Hillary meant when she said, don't concede, no matter what I mean, no matter. Even if you're 13 points behind in Pennsylvania and 800,000 votes behind in Pennsylvania, don't concede Pennsylvania. And the networks are in on it because they wouldn't call states because the networks knew that the phony votes were coming.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. And that's why all of a sudden we had this very almost filibustered press coverage on election night. It felt as if no one wanted to call states very early. They were putting on very unusual guests. But the states they were calling early was Arizona. Almost instantaneously. When we've already seen the fraud and we've seen how much nonsense there is around that.

[Rudy Giuliani]

So, Mr. Mayor, Arizona was a 10,000 fold state. How could you call it early?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that's right.

[Rudy Giuliani]

You're being dishonest. Ridiculous.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Rudy Giuliani]

You are absolutely right. And this has become now a political process in the highest sense of the term as well as a legal process. The Constitution gives us the answer. The Constitution says in disputes like this, the state legislature is the sole arbiter, has plenary power to take the evidence and make a decision. And we should put these people on the spot. These are mostly Republican legislators. We have overwhelming evidence they should be written to. They should be told that if they're worried about being treated poorly by Democrats, if they don't make the right decision, we don't want them to make the wrong decision. But if they don't make the right decision, there's gonna be real, real problem within the Republican party for them. I mean, we don't expect anybody to cheat for us, but we don't expect anybody, any Republican, to turn their back on cheating because they're cowards. They should get the heck out of the party if they're like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. And we definitely.

[Rudy Giuliani]

They should be told that they should be told. We're watching very carefully. You tell me, I'll get you the names of all these People. But you tell me, Bruce Cutler, he's the one in. He's the one in Pennsylvania who wasn't even terribly nice to the president. And he's got 849,770 ballots that was secretly put in the ballot box.

[Charlie Kirk]

Unbelievable.

[Rudy Giuliani]

That's a heck of a number. 870. And there are 45 witnesses to that. 45. And there's him not even a witness here, because he wasn't there. He doesn't know if it happened or not. Why does he not believe that? The 40 or 50 witnesses, who are not only Republicans, some Democrats, and some even employees of Dominion, what gives him the it's not true? Well, first of all, it smells like it's true. It looks like it's true. And you got witnesses who say it's true. Where do you come off saying it's not true? And you're a Republican. Gosh, I don't know where we found these people, Charlie. If we had them around during the revolution, it would have been real different, unfortunately.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, they would have been on the other side of the conflict, I'm afraid.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Or hiding in their houses.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, absolutely. So, Mr. Mayor, there's been some controversy in the last couple days of people that want to fight for voter integrity that you and I believe in, but they're calling for disengagement in the Georgia runoffs. I do not have that opinion that people should boycott the Georgia runoffs. What's your opinion on that?

[Rudy Giuliani]

No, no, no. These are two different things. And, you know, we have to look at the good of the country. We need a Republican Senate with President Trump even more, God forbid, without him. So that has to be separated. I know emotions run high here, and I know the Republicans in Georgia, particularly now, having seen this, it looks like a bank heist theft. You know, it looks like something out of a Pierce Brosnan movie. It's so clearly, so clearly dishonest and fraudulent, and they were so clearly stealing balance. And I think people in Georgia are, you know, off the wall, particularly Republicans. But they got to trust in the fact that both are going to work. I believe the Georgia legislature is going to vote this down. I got a very good sense from the Georgia legislators. They're not like Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania had some really good men who wanted to do this, and they're kind of being punished now by the people at the top. But in Georgia, the leadership seems to have a lot more courage. So I would, first of all, make sure that we get these votes counted properly. And two, let's make sure we Have a Republican Senate. We gotta save our country. You can do two things at once.

[Charlie Kirk]

So the final question I have, Mr. Mayor, is what does that process look like? The Georgia legislature meets. How many votes do they need? Who do we need to pressure? Who do we need to.

[Rudy Giuliani]

We gotta pressure each of the. We gotta pressure the speaker and the majority leader of the lower house and the upper house in each legislature. They're the ones who have the power. You don't even need the governor to call a special session. Since this is a federal constitutional power given to the legislature by the constitution, the governor can't interfere with it. They don't need him to call a special session because he has no role in this. They can call their own special session. They can hear witnesses, and they can make a vote and decide what's the legitimate count and then award electives based on that. That's what each one of these six legislatures should do, including Pennsylvania should go back and reconsider. Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Nevada. Each one of them are varying stages of it. Each one of them now has more than enough evidence to show way more ballots that were fraudulent than decided the election or then separated the two candidates. And all the fraud is by the Democrats. There's even been a single allegation of fraud by a Republican. That's pretty strange.

[Charlie Kirk]

We wouldn't do that and we wouldn't tolerate it within our ranks. And so, Mr. Mayor, I want to just say again, thank you for what you're doing for our country.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Thank you. And please tell them to get on their legislatures. Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, they can save the country.

[Charlie Kirk]

I completely agree.

[Rudy Giuliani]

They would be doing the right thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. And Mr. Mayor, just know when you're talking, people are listening. Keep these hearings up and just keep the pressure on. And we are behind you. And this is, like you said, it's a bank heist. I feel like we're watching the movie Inside Man.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Yeah, doesn't it look like that? Wow.

[Charlie Kirk]

They told us what they were gonna do. They pulled it off. And. And now it's time to really hold these people accountable. And so, Mr. Mayor, God bless you. Thank you for all you're doing for our country.

[Rudy Giuliani]

Thank you for all your help, Charlie, and courage.

[Charlie Kirk]

You bet. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Speak to you soon.

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