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Use me.
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All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is January 27, 2026. We are here in the Phoenix studio. Myself, Andrew Colvett Blake. We are in Phoenix today. Welcome. Welcome. Lots to get to. The big news of the day is this Bavino story. We got to get into it. So Blake, why don't you set up the backdrop for this and then we'll get into what we know. We've been calling people trying to get the inside scoop.
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So Bevino is the. He's kind of been the point man for a lot of the drama that's been unfolding with ice in Minnesota. It's almost. It's almost worth reminding people the full arc of how we got here, which is, yes, last fall. Okay, the full, full arc of how we got here last year.
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C
How far back do we want to go?
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During the last glacial maximum, the glacier has created a bunch of lakes in Minnesota, thus making it a pleasant place for to live. And so a bunch. And it resembled Finland and Sweden. And so a bunch of Finns and Swedes moved to Minnesota and they made a great state. And it was very pleasant, but it was kind of progressive. It was a little left wing and they have a do gooder impulse to them.
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And a bunch of Somalis moved.
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A lot of people moved there, including, yes, many Somalis. They built a big welfare state that has started to go a little bit awry, much like the one in Sweden. And so we had. It was not really a coincidence that George Floyd unfolded in Minneapolis. That would not have unfolded the way it did if it had happened in Atlanta, in Texas, in other states. Kind of had to happen in Minnesota. And since then, we've been repeatedly going back there. So that's a little setup. Anyway, this past fall, we had that drama with people notice the Somali fraud stuff, which has been going on for years and in fact, been getting prosecuted and covered for years.
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C
You were early on this, by the way.
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But, yeah, we weren't like, feeding our future was going on in 21 and 22. And then you remember when we had CREMU on and he said, yeah, all these. There's a giant autism scam going on in Minnesota, all this fraud. And then, lo and behold, that was blown up. So we had, you know, Chris Ruffo was covering it, and then, of course, Nick Shirley was covering it as well.
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Just the realization that caused this surge.
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Huge, huge surge of attention on it of what fraud is going on. And so then ice, which has been pursuing its immigration activities, they sort of seized on this. Oh, well, let's do a surge in Minnesota. It's a good symbol of how serious we are on finding fraudsters, finding criminals and deporting them. And so we have the surge there. And Bavino, as you said, is he's kind of the on the ground symbolic leader of this.
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He's almost like the mascot of Border Patrol, which is distinct from ice, which is an important distinction. So, you know, typically, Bavino would not be up in Minneapolis. Right. So he was brought there as a part of the surge to oversee it. He is this kind of folk hero among a lot of the Border Patrol. We've got some images of Greg Bosnia, which is quite a total patriot, by the way. Total patriot. But things have gone awry, and there is infighting within some of the ranks of ice, Border Patrol even. There's differing opinions at the administration. But here's what I can tell you, is that everybody's committed to the President's immigration agenda. That's what I have ascertained. I've been calling around, asking my sources up there. Everybody's committed to it. But there is a difference of tactics, of messaging, of presentation.
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Yeah. And it's just funny how symbolic it is. Cause I believe he's commander of the Border Patrol. And so it is a little funny that he was there. But what he was is he had that bravado of, oh, we're here, we're tough. He's like parading around in public to show that, frankly, that he's not afraid of all the ICE people and. Or the anti ICE protesters, which is a Big deal. Because people have openly fantasized about wanting this guy shot. They've openly fantasized. I think someone even put out a hit on him, I believe.
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C
Yeah. His family is in hiding.
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Yes.
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Just so you're aware, this guy is.
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A very brave man, and he put himself out there for the agenda. But he also, as a result, became symbolic of the difficulties that happened in Minneapolis, which, unfortunately, we've had two shootings. We've had a lot of chaos in the city, mostly driven by the left, of course.
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Well, in the new one, Preddy is, I think, where we're getting a lot of this consternation, because, listen, I will defend ICE all day long. As a matter of fact, I'm going to continue to, because I think they're amazing heroes. But there are some ICE agents and border patrol that feel like we need a new approach. We need to hit the reset button. In Minneapolis, you see Tom Homan, who's been on this show many times. We love Tom. I think it's a great. It's a great move. Great. Mix it up. But Bevino has now. So there was some confusion yesterday. Bovino gets relieved of duty. Did he get fired? Did he. Did he. Is he now? Yeah, transferred. So he's. And then his social media was shut down. He. He was mixing it up on social media with some lawmakers who were overreacting, by the way. Again, I basically agree with everything Bevino was saying. He's absolutely right to have our ICE agents back, to have border patrols back. But some of the details, I think, were misplaced. I think some of the initial reaction was based on faulty information about the altercation with Preddy. And so there's movement happening. Right. But he's not been fired. And essentially what happened was Bovino was put on ice for a second. President Trump put on ice. Yeah, well, he was. Oh, put on ice. I didn't even mean to do that. President Trump says, this guy's a hero. He's a patriot. He's on the team. We're keeping him. Keeping him on his post. And so he's on his post, but Homan's coming in. He's gonna. He's gonna shake things up. Why? I like this. And I will tell you, Bovino's an actual operator. Right. He's less of the policy wonk guy, less of the architect of it, but he is an absolute architect. He's a real tough guy. Bovino's a tough guy, too, but Tom Homan, absolute field general, he's now in the field, meeting with People and what we've seen, and I think the Internet's got this all wrong. A lot of people were saying, President Trump blinked. He had this call with Fry, he had a call with Waltz. What they're doing is a huge, huge deal. We are now seeing Minneapolis PD rush in to defend federal law enforcement. That's a big change. That's a positive change. After the calls with the President. So we're seeing movement here. We're seeing a little give and take. I do not see anybody saying, we're not gonna arrest all the illegals. Nobody's saying that. Where you do see a little bit of a worse first messaging now, as long as that's just the messaging, I'm okay with it. And Blake, before we came in to the show today, you were making, I thought, a really amazing point. Sometimes I wish you guys could see all of our pre show discussion, but you were basically saying, competence is what matters. It's not even okay message how you're gonna message. But we need competence and we need to stop being as performative for social media. We just need to get the job done. Expound on that point, if you can.
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Well, so a lot of the drama that's been happening with ICE is, I think it's downstream of things the administration has done to show that they're serious and we want them to be serious. But what I think Bovino became a symbol of is like, performative, performative stuff. And some of this is stuff I've heard people complain about, like, for lack of a better term, some stuff they'll do. It's almost like it's intended to look a little cruel or callous. And I think it is important to be, like, dead serious. And it's obviously great when they're saying, oh, this person we arrested was a rapist, this person we arrested was a criminal. You definitely communicate that seriousness. But sometimes it does go a little bit beyond that, and that's what ends up, like, bothering a lot of people. Now, you can't allow those people to say, oh, so we're going to suspend deportations now. Oh, we're going to pull ICE back. Oh, deportations are canceled. Because this made me feel bad. Yeah, you don't give in on that point, but you do have to be smart about things. And I think the way President Trump is reacting to this is telling because I think some people really wanted to do a bigger pullback. I think some people probably wanted Greg Bovino to just be fired and cast aside, say this whole thing was bad. And I think the President's instincts are, no, we can swap out personnel, but if I start firing people or really signaling a pullback, it's going to set off this cascade of weakness.
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Yeah.
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Whereas with sending in Tom Homan. Tom Homan is a longtime professional. He's pretty good at the.
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More.
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He's pretty good at disciplined messaging on this. And I think he can say, we'll have Homan running this operation, and he can communicate what our agenda is, that we're focused, that, you know, most of the people we're getting are criminals, that he can sort of reset the tone of what's going on without pulling back too decisively.
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Right.
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We need to talk about Second Amendment. Second Amendment, because this is a thing. It was bubbling up yesterday, and we didn't really touch it too much, but we want to hit it harder today. It's been going back and forth. There's been. We're sort of seeing a reversal of form, typically, because for years it was. You'd have. The right would sometimes bring guns to protests, and obviously there was a lot of hysterics. And the left is pushing hard for gun control. It's been a little different in Minnesota because some of these antifa people are just. Some of the anti ice people in general have been armed. And of course, Alex Preddy was armed as well, and that seems to have unfortunately caused his death. And so there's been a few lines that have been used. One of them was from FBI Director Cash Patel. He said this on Sunday. We'll use that as setup. Let's play clip 281.
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As Christie said, you cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have that right to break the law and incite violence.
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And similarly, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, she also said on Saturday, I don't know of any peaceful protester who shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign. And there was some context to that, but she was basically, you know, that's what gets clipped. And we've seen that a few different times from a few different people. And first of all, we have to warn everyone that, no, you actually, you do have the right to bring a gun to a protest. Many conservatives have done that. And it would be a huge mistake if we suddenly reversed course on that, because the left would be overjoyed to team up with us to say, oh, you actually can't bring guns to protests. And then we would permanently forfeit a Second Amendment right over a temporary issue. But we do have to make sure our messaging on this is good. It is correct. And what some people have emailed us in, some people have commented. They've said, oh, well, you know, you're. For example, they've said you're legally required to tell an officer if you're armed or all of that. You're actually not. I looked this up in Minnesota. You're required to tell an officer if they ask. And that is the most common law in most of the US Is if a police officer asks whether you have a weapon, you have to tell them. But only in a few are you affirmatively required to just disclose this information if interacting with an officer. But what our messaging should instead, I think need to be, is this is basically actually about gun safety, like responsible gun ownership. And if you take a firearms class, they're basically going to tell you, you can't have ego while carrying a gun. This is a dangerous item, and you have to use it responsibly. You are carrying something that if you screw up, it can get you killed. It can get other people killed. And that's really the tragedy of what happened over the weekend in this ice shooting, is that he was getting in, he'd gone to a protest. And then not only that, ended up in a situation where bad stuff could happen. And if you're carrying a gun around a bunch of officers while people are blowing whistles and people are getting shoved, people are getting dragged around, everyone's getting screamed at. The officers themselves are worried someone is going to pull a gun and attack them. And you're carrying a gun and approaching them. It has to enter your thought. There are a lot of ways that this could go wrong.
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Yeah. And I just want to make one thing clear. I completely agree with every point you just made. Preddy was not at a protest. There was no protest when he was shot. The protest arrived after he was shot. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal law enforcement. So let's just get that very, very clear. Do I think this was a good shooting? Candidly, probably not. Okay. But to Blake's point, when you take a firearm into public, you are taking a responsibility. I made this point yesterday. This is why if you have a firearm in your car and you get pulled over, you turn the car off, you take the keys, you put them on the dash, hands it tended to where they can see them. The officer approaches your window and you say, officer, I have a firearm in this vehicle. And the officer goes, instantly knows he's working with a responsible Individual. Okay?
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You don't do this because you're legally required to do this. You do this because you're not a moron and you don't want to die, and you don't want anyone else to die.
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You don't want the cop freaking out. People have to understand something. Law enforcement are involved in very risky operations. They are pulling over and abduct, apprehending traffickers, drug traffickers, cartel members. These are. Some of. These are homicide. Literally been convicted of homicide. These are high risk, high tension situations. And then they got all these yahoos going around them with bells and ring, blowing whistles, shouting profanity, spitting at them, throwing ice blocks at them. And they're supposed to do their job as if they're cool. Calm and collected. Cools a cucumber. You are expecting too much. So when you go there and you nitpick about the way that they do things. Listen, I got news for you. You put yourself into a position where you have to go arrest bad guys and see how well you. You perform under. Under fire, okay? When the tension is high, bad things happen. The dumbest thing you can then do is be like Preddy and go into that situation, make it even more difficult. Throw out this image of Kyle Rittenhouse. This is. These are the. These are the comparisons that are happening. The. They're saying, Kyle Rittenhouse caring in public. There is this image of him approaching law enforcement. Hands up. Do you see that? He's approaching law enforcement. He's putting his hands where the police officers can see them, saying, I'm not a threat to you officers. I need your help. I'm not a threat because he was coming in respect. Because he was not their enemy. Preddy, unfortunately. I wish he was alive today, but he unfortunately, was coming at law enforcement and resisting them, trying to impede them, signaling that he was their enemy, that he was against their actions, and bad things happen. Okay? This is very, very simple. When you are a firearm owner, and if you take that into public, the responsibility is on you to make sure law enforcement knows that you are not a threat to their lives. They want to go home to their families, too. Hey, everybody. Balance of Nature's Whole Health System supplements are the perfect resolution for the new year. If you want to get in a better place in your health journey, you need to check out Balance of Nature and their Whole Health System. Balance of Nature's Whole Health System supplements are versatile. Two scoops of fiber and spice mix easily into drinks, adding a warm, aromatic depth. You can also open three of your fruits supplement and mix the powder into a smoothie. Or sprinkle three of the veggie supplement over a savory dish. Balance of Nature's Whole Health System supplements feature ingredients like picillium husk, flaxseed, cinnamon, turmeric, fenugreek, mango, pineapple, wild blueberries, shiitake mushrooms, spinach, kale, cayenne pepper and more. Supplements include 47 ingredients of 100% whole fruits, vegetables, spices and fibers. Perfect for your daily routine. Balance of Nature is an amazing, amazing way to supplement your health journey. To make sure you are as healthy as you can be in 2026. This New Year's lock in 50% off for one year when you subscribe to the Whole Health System Supplements as a preferred customer. Go to balanceofnature.com again balanceofnature.com 50% off for one year when you subscribe to the Whole Health System Supplements as a preferred customer. Do it now. Alright, without further ado, we have the great Chip Roy from the state of Texas joining the show. He's out on the road. Chip, thank you so much for coming on. Congressman.
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Yeah, great to be on with you guys. Really appreciate it.
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Hope you're doing well. Thank you so much. So I saw this stat last night. I texted you about it. It's remarkable. And I want you to kind of just like brass, tax it for us, for the audience, and help everybody understand what's different about Texas versus Minnesota. Texas accounts for 25% approximately of the deportations under Trump, and I would say about 0% of the drama. Minnesota accounts for 2% of the deportations and currently about 100% of the drama. Explain it like I'm 5. Why are there, why is there such a huge difference between Minnesota and Texas?
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Well, it's a great question. I think it goes to the heart of what we're seeing unfold in Minneapolis. And I think the bigger picture that we all need to focus on, which I'll get to in a minute. Right, which is why we need to stay the course. But we'll get there in a second. To answer your question, the easy answer that the left will throw at us, right, is that, oh, well, you've got so many more people here who are here illegally. Well, that's true. But if you look at the data more closely, what you'll find is, is that even as a percentage of the total illegal population, Texas is still doing a far better job. And the reason why is because as a general rule, not perfectly, but as a general rule, our state leadership, our State law enforcement and a good number of our local law enforcement are working in cooperation with ICE in what we'd call 287 agreements or generally. So that we're working to say, hey, we've got somebody locked up or we've got somebody who we suspect is here legally or under orders of removal by a judge. Then we're going to work with ice, put them in the process and get them out. Minnesota, Minneapolis. Governor Waltz, the mayor of Minneapolis, and the people in the leadership there, they're resisting that. They're not working with ice. And by the way, they're trying to say they are. And they're saying, oh, well, anytime we've got somebody in our prison, we hand them over. Well, that's, that's true for a very small subset of the people who have served their sentences in prison, but not the vast number of people who've been arrested or who are in local jails. So that's the difference. Texas can do better. To be clear, we should be even more aggressive. There are some jurisdictions who are not doing all they can do, but we're doing a lot better. And you don't see the drama, to use your words.
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Yeah, this is a key point that you just made, Congressman, about this Tim Waltz statement. He's trying so President Trump, Tim Waltz have a call yesterday. They both said it was productive. I will say we are now seeing Minneapolis Police Department actually work to block the police.
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They really were pulling the police back.
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Well, they were. Exactly. So it's actually a admission of guilt that they were not protecting federal law enforcement, but at least they seem to be doing that right now. To be clear, I think there should be consequences for the previous inaction. So Tim Waltz says that he coordinates, but as you made an important note there, that's only a small subset. So Bill Melusion comes in, he says this is very misleading. From Waltz? Yes. His prisons honor ICE detainers by transferring convicted criminal aliens. So not those with a detention request or those under investigation after they serve their sentence. But his city and county jails do not. I'm told that that is by far the Lion's share, maybe 80% of the criminal population, criminal legal population in the state of Minnesota. And that doesn't even get to the fact of unraveling some of this Somali fraud. So explain that again in a Texas context, cuz you guys have crappy cities in Texas too. No offense. You got Austin, you got Houston, Dallas. I can only imagine those cities are not as cooperative as they should be. What Powers does Governor Abbott for Example have that Governor Tim Waltz doesn't. One final point here, Congressman. In Florida in 2022, they passed a law that gives Governor DeSantis complete authority to mandate cooperation with ICE. Is that the way it is in Texas?
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Yeah. Well, the state legislature, they enacted reforms, I think, in the last two legislative sessions, particularly in the last one, that gives far greater authority for the state government to be able to withhold funds and to be able to put pressure on the local jurisdictions if they refuse to follow the law and if they are sanctuary cities. Right. And so that is an important and key element that the state is taking into its leadership and something I think we need to go even further with, by the way. I think separate issue, not involved. I completely agree. Dealing with all of the criminals being let out on the streets by Soros funded das, the wide open borders, the ridiculousness of the Islamification of Texas. Epic City. We can have another podcast all about those things. But we've got to be more aggressive to say that in the state of Texas, we enforce the law that the state's capital should not be a lawless area. That's a sanctuary city, nor should Dallas, nor should Houston. So we've done a lot of that. We could probably go even further, but I think we're in a place where we're in a better posture. Now, if I'm being real and objective, I would tell you that when I talk to boots on the ground people who are expert on this, we are not doing as well as we could do to have full throated engagement with our two 87 agreements, whether they're in big cities or even some of our smaller towns and counties. We need to be more active, more aggressive to make sure that that is happening so that we can remove people in the state of Texas. So better in Texas, much better than than Minnesota. But that's not the bar. Right. The bar should be follow the law. And there are one and a half million people right now under orders of removal by judges. And people forget that. They go, oh, you're just rounding people up. Hold on. There are dangerous criminals that yes, we're rounding up, but 1.5 million people are under an order of removal by a judge. We should go exercise that. And that is what his ICE is doing. One final point. Sorry for the filibuster. Tom Homan is doing an excellent job. I trust Tom, former head of ice, good friend. The president did a great thing by putting him on the ground and saying, tom, go get this done the right way. I think he will do it. The Right way.
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So, Congressman, I agree. I think Tom's a national treasure and we need to wrap him in bubble wrap and keep him safe up there. I will just say, though, I mean, talking to people in the administration, there's a big divide right now both on messaging and tactics. Right. You see this? Even Sean Hannity, I just was. Before we got on with you, I saw this clip from him saying we don't need to be rounding people up at Home Depots. In the admin, there is two lines of thought. The worst first or get them all. Right, so what is your take on that? How do you think we should proceed from a messaging standpoint? I get that there is a flare up here, but if we don't squash it right now, come the summer months, it's going to be worse in Portland and Chicago, New York and Los Angeles. I think we need to move in with heavy force. But I'm open to being wrong. What is your take on that?
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Well, let me answer that question after I make an observation first at a higher level. We can't win a war that we do not acknowledge exists.
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Yeah.
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This is not an immigration issue like it was for our parents generation or anything else in the 80s or even 20 years ago, the 2000s. This is not some people in Mexico who want to come over and do some work and head back to Mexico peaceably. This is an organized effort to destroy America. Now, I want that to sit out there for a second because and I don't do this very often. I don't like the people who play the. I had this conversation with Charlie and I did this thing with Charlie and whatever. And I get it. And Charlie spoke to so many people and affected so many people. But it is true. And on my phone, which I've never shared the screenshots, the last substantive conversation I have with Charlie was about the Islamification of the west, the Islamification of Texas, Islamification, America, and why that is the most important singular issue and our side doesn't get it. So now take that issue. Put it here. Now take the fact that you've got Marxists who want to take our guns away. They want to take our, frankly, freedom of religion way. You saw what they did in St. Paul. They don't care. You know, they want to totally undermine our Western civilization. You've got that going on. You've got all of the funding and all of the dollars flowing from foreign sources, George Soros, Arabella, that you got the Ren Collective putting criminals on the streets. There's all these things. If you did A big, you know, whiteboard. You can map it all out. It's organized to undermine our way of life. If you like Christmas, if you like safety and security, if you like English as a national language, if you like our core culture and are welcoming immigrants who assimilate, but you don't want to have immigrants come here to change our country. If you don't want to be Islamified, if you don't want to have your guns taken away, okay, if you don't want to have censorship about anything you think or say, if you want to live in a state like Europe, that's what's coming. Now, having said all that, if you don't recognize that's the war, then you go back to these tired old phrases Chamber of Commerce Republicans kick around where they go, oh, well, you know, we just got to make sure we're welcoming and we open the door and we do this. And, guys, this is a totally different battlescape. So to answer your specific question, I do think there's a little bit of tension going on. There are friends of mine in the administration, and I'm not going to go too far into it because it's their job to go lead on this. But what I'm conveying to them and what I'm conveying publicly is know what time it is in America. Lead now, kill this right now before it starts. And you can be like Tom, who is saying, I think you asked a question. Is it get rid of the first or get rid of everybody? That's my. My phrasing, not yours. I would say you can do both. Let's target the worst actors. Yes, let's go get them. Go zero in on those folks. Let's go zero in the focus with orders of removal. But when you find somebody here who's been here illegally for years and they've stole stolen Social Security numbers and they've undermined the system and destroyed the rule of law and they filled up our schools and our jails and birthright citizenship. That all has a cost, and we've got to manage that, and we got to deal with it. You can't pick winners and losers. You've got to enforce the law. That's my two cents, man.
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Amen. I'm. I think we could do both. We absolutely can do both. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi? For some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt. Take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Yrefi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars, and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Y. Refi can help. Just go to yrefi.com that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember why Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. I think this Islamification of the west, and you hit on it beautifully. This was one of Charlie's drum beats in the. In the final months of his life. And we have to stay focused on it. I know Steve Bannon in the war room. Were just in Texas calling out this very issue. I want to know what it's actually like on the ground. You know, Epic City was a huge, huge story. And I think we. I think people really don't fully understand or grasp the extent of that. But, you know, you see this huge in Minneapolis. I mean, this is what we've all lost our focus on. This was about Somali fraud, and that's why the surge happened. That's why this big blowup in Minneapolis is even underway. Now, Congressman, this is Wall Street Journal opinion this morning. Time for ice to pause in Minneapolis. This is a real opinion section article by the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal. And my reaction to that is the 2015 GOP is apparently alive and well in certain corners of the, I guess, conservative world. I don't even know if I consider that. Blake and I were talking before, and it's like, if you are even on that side of the fence on this, you're basically a liberal to me at this point. I mean, what you said, We've gotta get them all out.
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You either want people deported or you don't.
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You either want the rule of law.
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Every single time you're trying to do it, and your reaction is, oh, we gotta stop this. You're just a library.
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You're kind of where I'm at. I've seen many stats. I don't know which ones are true, but there's like, you know, 40 new mosques a month or something, you know, like there's all. And it is terrifying because if we lose Texas, and I would say Texas seems to me like it has an anemic conservatism. You know, it feels anemic. It's not as like strong and robust and full throated as you would, you would expect out of Texas. I'm not sure what that is, but it seems like there's a lot of rhinos in the ranks. Seems like there's a lot of turncoats in the ranks. Explain the truth about the Islamification of Texas. Epic City, the floor is yours.
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Well, I appreciate it. I mean, first of all, yeah, Texas needs to be much more aggressive than we've been. We've not been as conservative a state as we should have been. Our legislature has been a huge problem. It's trending in the right direction, but not fast enough. We need to be much more aggressive on key issues including border security, immigration and the Islamification of Texas. The Islamification issue is very real. There are just to give you some anecdotes, there are women that I talk to in the Dallas Fort Worth metroplex who tell me that there are now increasingly no go zones in places you wouldn't think. We're talking areas in and around Richardson and Plano and north of Dallas. We're talking about the Arlington area out there in the, you know, between Fort Worth and Dallas where the Cowboys and the Rangers play. Right. And there are places where there are women who go. I don't feel safe going there because it's predominantly Muslim and the natural sort of things occur that make them uncomfortable. And so now you've got Epic City, which has garnered national attention. This, you know, multi hundred acre compound now rebranding as, quote, the Meadows. You've got an Islamic center in Houston which is a massive facility being built. But people don't talk about the other things. Right now north of Austin. I'm pointing because I'm just south of Austin now on the north side of Austin, there's a new facility going in at the University of Texas. There is a significant building getting built to be an Islamic center on campus and west campus at the University of Texas. There are 300 mosques in 300 mosques in Texas. And there's more mosques getting built in Texas every single day than any other state in the union. I don't know the exact number to answer your question, but it's a lot more in Texas than any other state. This is a product of a business driven immigration policy. So let's go back to the Wall Street Journal. I've got friends in the Wall Street Journal that I work with on health care and other issues that we're in agreement on. But on the issue of immigration, they have been wrong over and over and over again. Alongside the Chamber of Commerce, promoting H1B visas, promoting wide open borders, promoting we need to import talent instead of standing for what we need to do to make and put America first. The President is right. That is at the core of his brand. The administration needs to stay the course, push back on these business interests and say, look, let's make sure we've got Americans trained to do the job. We don't need all these H1Bs that are frankly fronts for pumping people into our country or even leaving them overseas while they're able to work here in houses that aren't even filled. And by the way, birthright citizenship. We need to fix it. President Wright is right on this. We need to codify it. We need to stop this cottage industry where the Chinese have maybe allegedly up to a million people living in China who have American citizenship. I don't know if that's the right number or not. I don't like to pedal random numbers, but that's been pushed out there, alleged. So I've got my staff looking to find how many is it. It's absurd what we've done to sovereignty. It's absurd what we've done to our country. You either believe in American sovereignty or you don't. One final point. There are 51 million foreign born people in the United States. That's 16 and a half percent or so of the population. That's the highest percentage we've had in our history. That is greater than it was in 1920 after the massive immigration and we shut down for four, 40 years, four decades, maybe even five. That's why I introduced legislation to pause immigration. We need to have a real conversation about this. But my biggest message is to the administration. Stay the course, keep doing it. Stand up for America and put America first.
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C
Man. Amen. Congressman, I'm, I got, I got zero notes. I am absolutely in favor of an immigration moratorium. You can make it a net zero. I mean, there's about 2 or 300,000 people that leave the country every year. If you want to replace them with good people, I'm open minded to that. But a net zero immigration moratorium or just shut it all the way up, I'd be good with that too. I mean, I was at Costco this weekend. I got new tires in my car. Good deal, right? So I go there and I'm Wandering around. It did not feel like America to me. It didn't. It just didn't. It was. I mean, I hate to say that's not.
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D
Guys, that's. Look, if I walk into Buc EE's office, i35 in Texas, white, a quintessential Texas place or Costco, like you say, it does not feel like America. I want to be very clear here. We're talking about people are welcome to come here, but you have to assimilate. Right. And, and, and that's not what's happening here. People are coming here trying to replace America, trying to push Islamification on America, waving foreign countries flags. That is not the way this works. They need to be removed.
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C
Well, and I mean there's whole neighborhoods. I was just talking to another friend in Texas, Congressman, and you know, they said they had to move out of their Dallas suburb because they felt uncomfortable there. And it was basically been completely replaced by Indian immigrants in this instance. And listen, the H1B scam. I know the administration, that is a statute. You guys need to codify any changes in the H1B program. But they're slow walking it, I can tell you that. I mean, now you're looking. If you're trying to get H1BS, I mean those things are delayed like a year and a half right now, two years. So I hope they keep pushing those things, kicking the can, but there's only so much they can do, right? You gotta follow the law at some point. So I hope that law changes last minute here. Congressman Chuck Schumer said he's gonna, you know, he's threatening another government shutdown over DHS funding. What can you tell us from the House perspective? And do you think we're going to see a shutdown?
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D
Well, they're certainly rattling about a shutdown. I don't think the administration wants a shutdown. Let's remember that if they don't fund Homeland Security, that means they're not going to fund the Department of War, they're not going to fund labor age, they're not going to fund transportation. That leaves the FAA unfunded. That leaves the TSA unfunded. Right. So there are going to be a lot of issues. I think we should call their bluff. We, we worked a deal, by the way. It was a bill that I didn't love, but I voted for Homeland Security, so I could stand with ICE and Border Patrol, even though there were things in it I didn't like, like CISA and other stuff. But bottom line is the Freedom Caucus is sending a letter today. It'll go out in the next hour or two that is basically saying, guys, no, you're not going to send us a bill. You're not splitting off Homeland Security. We support the president. We support Tom Homan. We should stay the course. We trust them to get it done right. But at the end of the day, if you want to fix it, then we're going to. If you're going to block it, we're going to fix it by finding a way to fund things using reconciliation like we did last summer or, you know, finding a way to stop the fake filibuster, the six threshold force. A talking filibuster.
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C
I love it.
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D
That's our position, but we'll have to fight for it.
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C
Hold the line, Congressman. Don't let him blink. We got your back. We'll talk to you soon.
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D
Thanks, guys. God bless.
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C
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