The A-List Stars Admit Defeat to Charlie

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: The A-List Stars Admit Defeat to Charlie
Podcast: The Charlie Kirk Show
Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (with Andrew Colvett, Michael McCoy, Alex Clark, Daisy Phelps, Blake, and others)

Main Theme:
This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show focuses on two key fronts of America’s ongoing culture war: the fallout from the latest Jeffrey Epstein document release, and a surprising shift in Hollywood pop culture as A-list stars begin to push back against anti-family narratives. Interwoven throughout is a spirited defense of marriage, early family formation, and the underlying values viewed as central to American flourishing.

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1. The Epstein Email "Scandal": Dissecting the Smear

Segment Overview

• The show tackles recent Democratic attempts to implicate Donald Trump via selectively released emails from the Jeffrey Epstein estate.
• The hosts analyze the actual content, media coverage, and political motivations behind the information dump.

Key Points & Discussion

• Democratic Email Release:
  Democrats released certain subpoenaed Epstein emails, redacting victim names (which commentators note were already public elsewhere), to suggest Trump’s involvement in the Epstein network.

• Hosts' Rebuttal:

  • The alleged victim (Virginia Giuffre) has publicly and privately exonerated Trump, according to both the documentary and emails.
  • Charlie and his guests see the release as a distraction tactic, especially after the Democrats "got absolutely hosed" during the government shutdown.
  • Andrew Colvett: "They just released three selective emails that all sort of made Trump like death by innuendo... because we have Ghislaine Maxwell [and] Professor Dershowitz... all saying Trump didn't do anything." (13:12–13:50)

• Media Handling:

  • The team criticizes the mainstream media for amplifying the story to shift attention away from Democratic political losses and the recent government shutdown.
  • Charlie Kirk: "This is all a cheap optic scam. ...All the media apparatchiks across the spectrum. Guess what they're not talking about—how the Democrats got absolutely hosed." (13:12–14:21)

• Larry Summers & Elite Correspondence:

  • Notably, one of the entertaining subplots is the trove of emails between Epstein and former Harvard president Larry Summers, who asks Epstein questions like, “Is it true Donald Trump uses cocaine?” The casual, gossipy tone is ridiculed by the hosts.
  • Blake: "It's like reading a, like an 8th grader or something talk about women. And it's the former president of Harvard..." (06:45–07:59)

• Alex Clark’s Take:

  • Emphasizes Trump’s exclusion of Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, painting him as the only one in elite society who “called [Epstein] out as the creep and the criminal that he was.” (11:42)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Alex Clark (on media negligence): “Why is he writing this in the emails when everyone in this circle of Palm Beach knows that Trump was like the one person to go toe-to-toe with him and be like, 'you're a weirdo.' Stop hitting on these young girls.” (11:42)
• Michael McCoy: “This is like the fifth time on the Epstein stuff with President Trump. The walls are closing in.” (12:24–12:48)
• Blake: “This is Democrats taking advantage of conservatives in our infighting... this is the left coming in at a fragile time for us on the right…” (14:21–14:43)

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2. Pop Culture Pivot: The Family Strikes Back

Segment Overview

• Shift to observing a cultural shift in Hollywood and music—where some A-list stars and influencers are openly supporting traditional family formation, married life, and children, as opposed to hedonism and careerism.

Key Points & Discussion

• New Trends Among Celebrities:
  • Hosts notice a wave of pro-family sentiment in recent statements, interviews, and music releases from young Hollywood stars.
  • Example: Taylor Swift’s “trad-wife” theme in new songs, which some critics decry as ‘alt-right’ propaganda.
• Kelsea Ballerini’s Admission:
  • Focus on the country star’s public divorce and subsequent regret—she divorced her husband because she wasn’t ready for kids, only to later reveal in her song I Sit In Parks that she’s reconsidering that choice.
  • The lyrics (“Did I miss it by now?...a body clock doesn’t wait for…”) spark a panel discussion on career, family, and regret among highly successful women.

Timestamps & Discussion Flow

• Ballerini’s Divorce & Regret:
  • (19:25) Clip of Ballerini describing her decision to divorce because she wanted to delay motherhood
  • (20:21) Lyrics to “I Sit In Parks” discussed for their tone of sadness and regret
  • (21:07) Panel’s analysis: “She straight up divorced a dude because she didn’t want kids. For selfish reasons.”
  • (21:24) Speculation about Ballerini’s new/old relationship and what it signals about cultural shifts
  • (22:55) Alex Clark: “We do not set young women up for success when it comes to motherhood.”
• The Biological & Emotional Clock:
  • (25:06) Alex Clark: “This crash course in reality ... kind of knocks women on the head once they’re in their 30s ... if you’re a woman, the clock comes for us all. ... Feminism lied to her. ... It may not be all at the same time.”
• Encouragement for Early Family Formation:
  • (27:25) Charlie Kirk (archival clip): “Having children is more important than having a good career...You can always go back to your career later, but there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children.”
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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Charlie Kirk (archival, 27:25):
  “You can always go back to your career later, but there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children. And that is a beautiful thing. ... It’s about lifting up what is beautiful.”
• Alex Clark (29:29):
  "Another lie that we are told by the feminist movement is that you can have a family anytime you want to. That is not true... With fertility technologies it is not a guarantee. You’re telling women to wait till the very, very end of their fertility window to then attempt to have a family.”

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3. Viral Relationship Stories: The Walmart Ring Debate

Segment Overview

• Panelists dissect a viral text exchange where a woman declines a public proposal because the engagement ring (from Walmart) supposedly didn’t match what she'd asked for.
• This sparks a debate on relationship communication, public proposals, and private matters being aired online.

Key Points & Discussion

• The Scenario:
  • A man spends $900 on a Walmart ring for a public proposal; the woman declines, citing that he hadn’t listened to her repeated preferences about the kind of ring she wanted.
  • The conversation devolves on social media after screenshots are posted.
• Panel Reaction:
  • Most believe posting private conversations is the real “villainy” here.
  • Consensus that communication is key—if the man ignored her preferences, that's a relationship red flag, but the public airing of grievances is equally problematic.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Blake (35:04):
  “I don’t like public proposals...If they wouldn’t say yes in private, this is not a thing you should do.”
• Alex Clark & Emma Kate (37:17):
  “There is a specific color that each woman wears...If he just completely tuned that out and went to Walmart just to get it done and focused on the, like, show of it, I can understand why she’s a little upset. But you don’t post the chats. Stop posting text messages that are private for the love.”

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4. The Conservative Case for Marriage & Motherhood

Segment Overview

• Throughout the episode, the show returns to its core argument: Promoting early marriage, large families, and “traditional” values as a counter to what the hosts see as harmful cultural messaging.

Key Points & Discussion

• Countercultural Hollywood?

  • Increasing numbers of celebrities—Timothée Chalamet cited among others—openly talk about prioritizing or at least desiring family.
  • Hosts perceive this as a backlash to “anti-family” trends of past decades.

• Concerns Over Feminist Messaging:

  • Hosts argue feminism has “lied” to young women about the ease of combining career and family in any order.
  • Importance of having honest conversations about fertility windows, biological/emotional clocks, and the realities of motherhood.
  • Charlie Kirk (archival, 27:25): “Maybe we should solve the loneliness epidemic by encouraging young ladies to get married and have children.”

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5. Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• Charlie Kirk (on life purpose) – 00:03: “If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you’re gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.”
• Andrew Colvett (on email release) – 13:12: “They just released three selective emails that all sort of made Trump like death by innuendo...”
• Blake (on Larry Summers) – 06:45: “It’s like reading…an 8th grader talk about women. And it’s the former president of Harvard!”
• Alex Clark (on Kelsea Ballerini) – 25:06: “This crash course in reality … kind of knocks women on the head once they’re in their 30s … the clock comes for us all.”
• Charlie Kirk (archival) (on motherhood) – 27:25: “Having children is more important than having a good career…There is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children.”
• Blake (on public proposals) – 35:04: “I don’t like public proposals…If they wouldn’t say yes in private, this is not a thing you should do.”
• Emma Kate (on career & family) – 24:09: “I feel like the luckiest person in the world. Especially...our message is all about families, families, families. But I also have loved and still love my career.”

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Conclusion

Episode Highlights:

• Debunks the latest media attempt to tie Trump to Epstein, framing it as a “nothing burger” and Democrat distraction from their own recent losses.
• Observes and celebrates a shifting pop culture landscape where A-list stars are beginning to embrace family values, pushing back against prior anti-family, careerist messaging.
• Engages in lively debate about relationships, marriage, and public vs. private boundaries.
• Reiterates strong advocacy for early marriage and parenthood as not only culturally significant but as keys to personal fulfillment—according to the show’s conservative philosophy.

Overall Tone:
Passionate, unapologetically opinionated, and energetic—blending news analysis, cultural commentary, and personal testimony to champion their vision of family and faith in contemporary America.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Michael McCoy.

[C]

We're still figuring it out.

[B]

And as well as Alex Clark, host of Culture Apothecary, which is powered by Turning Point usa. Honored to have you here.

[D]

Honored to be here, by the way.

[B]

Your show has just. I mean, I had zero faith in it. I didn't think it was a good idea and it just blew up. It turns out I know nothing. Can you believe it?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I had faith.

[B]

And now you're like. Now you're like a leading mah. I mean, this has been true for a while. So for those of watching, you guys know this to be true and it's been true for a long time. But you are like a leading Maha person. I mean, you've been with Turning Point for years. You're a leading conservative person and influencer and show host. And you've just done so, so great. And I'm so proud of you.

[D]

Thank you very much, guys.

[B]

Wow. Really hard.

[D]

What a welcome, actually.

[B]

Surprisingly.

[D]

Yeah, I know you wouldn't think, but.

[B]

Alas, we got you there eventually. Alex is the best. And she is just. She's just wonderful. And she's on it. She knows where the movement is going. We are going to get into this Epstein smear job from the Democrats. Cause it's important to hit this apps actually. And we're gonna be talking about pop culture with Alex. Cause before you were Ms. Maha, you were poplitics and you were really focused on. You still are tuned In.

[D]

I'm still tuned in. Yeah. So I have a lot to say about some happenings in pop culture.

[B]

There are some stories that are actually important to understand if you're out there, if you're just a pure politics junkie, more like. I would consider myself more of, like, the politics culture, you know, sociology junkie. It's kind of like the confluence of where these macro trends are taking our culture. But part of that is what's happening on TikTok and pop culture. And we need to be sure that we're paying attention to this. And we're gonna also bring Daisy Phelps from our team in because, you know, she's. She knows this stuff too. Something about ballerina. Ballerina, yeah.

[D]

We're gonna talk about Kelsey Ballerini's new song and what it means for the culture.

[B]

Yeah, ballerinas. Very deep stuff. Anyway, so I want to. I want in first, though, with this. What's happening with this Epstein thing. So I actually. We were gonna bring it up yesterday, but there was things coming out that I wanted to, like, make sure that we waited on just because I was frankly, a little distracted with H1BS, which I think is a way bigger deal than what some emails that the Democrats released. So essentially, here's the backstory. James Comer had subpoenaed these documents in, I think, in August from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. So here's the deal. So they subpoena these documents, they get them during the shutdown, and the Democrats end up releasing select emails. Okay? And when they do this, and they're redacting the victim's name, now the Democrats are gonna say they were mandated to do this, but these documents already existed elsewhere. We already knew who the quote, unquote victim was, and she was a victim, Virginia Guthrey. But we already knew because they were corroborated with other document drops. So we knew this is Virginia Giuffrey. And the emails go like, I want you to realize this is Jeffrey Epstein to gmax. I'm not exactly sure who this is, but I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump victim Virginia Guthrey. Spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned, Police chief, et cetera, et cetera. And I believe this could be Wolf, if I'm not mistaken, which is a New York Times guy that was basically acted as a consultant. So you got a journalist, quote, unquote, working with Jeffrey Epstein. So another one victim at Mar A Lago. Trump said, he asked me to resign. Never a member of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. So, okay, Trump asked. This is from 2019. This is another one they released. And then Michael Wolff, I think you should let him hang himself in reference to Trump. This is from 2015 to Jeffrey Epstein. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you. Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So this is what's wild. So we get all of this stuff. Hey, Blake, are you there? Can you hear us? There he is.

[C]

I don't know.

[E]

Okay, does it work now? All right, excellent. Yeah, we're having a. Is it Michael McCoy now? I feel like. I feel like I don't even know him anymore.

[B]

All right, hold on. We're gonna save that for later. We're gonna save that for later. So basically, here's the deal, though, Blake. These emails were selectively released by the Democrats, but the victim, we already knew was Virginia Guthrey. And here's what we know about Virginia Guthrey. They redacted her name. She has exonerated President Trump, saying that she never saw him do anything. She actually, her dad is now on record saying that she wanted him to be president cuz he was gonna release FB the information on Epstein. This is a complete and utter nothing burger, from what I can tell. Blake, do you agree?

[E]

It's not. It's not a total nothing burger. Because what we are also getting is, and this is, like, really funny, we're getting a lot of other emails. So we're getting, you know, Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard, and we're getting his emails with Epstein, which, if nothing else, are really funny. There's a few exchanges that are very funny. One is where he sends a message to Epstein where he says, like, is it true that Donald Trump uses cocaine? And Epstein just replies, hey, could I have Harvard give a guided tour from the development office, the fundraising office, could they give a guided tour of Harvard to this, like, Rothschild heir that I know? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I could set that up. And so that was very funny. And then there's also one where it's Larry Summers. There's really no Other way to describe this. He's as a 60 plus year old male is talking about how he's trying to date this woman and she's giving him these mixed signals and like, oh, she like invited this other guy. It's like reading a, like an 8th grader or something talk about women. And it's the former president of Harvard who, I can't remember, did he get a Nobel Prize in economics? Something like that. So it's not a nothing burger. We have a lot of funny emails that we should highlight instead.

[B]

Well, Larry Summers was the director of the National Economic Council and the chief White House economic advisor adviser during Obama. So he's not nobody. And actually he predicted rightly that the overstimulation of the economy under Biden was gonna spark inflation. So he's not a dumb guy. But these are people that Epstein was interacting with at a massive level. But I wanna play some of these clips here for us because now we have a ton of new information about, you know, just how much of an own this was. Let's go ahead and play. 288.

[F]

She wanted Trump to be President. It was because he campaigned on releasing.

[D]

The Epstein files and she was excited about that. So yes, we talked about Trump a lot as a crusader to release the Epstein files.

[E]

In that sense she was very excited that he had made that one of.

[F]

The main planks of his campaign and.

[D]

She felt validated by it. But she never talked about him in any sense that he was involved in any of this. No, no, he was not as far as she knew. And again she was there for two plus years but as far as she.

[F]

Knew he was not involved in the.

[D]

Ring of trafficking that Epstein was working.

[B]

Yeah, so that is, it's not Guthrie talking herself, it's someone talking about her. So get me the name of who that is by the way, guys. But this is somebody obviously in the know that knew Virginia Guthrey and basically said she wanted to elect Trump. Trump was not implicated in any of this scandal. And here's when, you know, it gets really bad for Democrats. CNN is even calling them out. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of yrefi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turningpoint and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now hear Charlie in his own words tell you about why Refi.

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[B]

We'Re talking about the Epstein nothing burger. I'm gonna call it a nothing burger, but Blake is right. There are funny and interesting things like Larry Summers exchanges. There's also accusations by Jeffrey Epstein that he was somehow spending Thanksgiving with President Trump. But then we look at the flight logs and the Travel logs during 2017 when this allegation is made and President Trump is doing official business. He's also spend Thanksgiving at Mar a Lago, which Jeffrey Epstein was banned from Mar a Lago in 2007. Which leads to the whole point is that this all reads as some elaborate hoax. Jeffrey Epstein is obviously lying. He hates Donald Trump because Donald Trump was one of the few people in this elite upper tier of society that basically called him out as the creep and the criminal that he was banned him from Mar a Lago. Alex Clark, what do you think?

[D]

Well, that's exactly what I was saying the whole time you were saying this. I was like, why is he, why is he writing this in the emails when everyone in this circle of Palm beach knows that Trump was like the one person to go toe to toe with him and be like, you're a weirdo. You know, stop, stop hitting on these young girls. And, and I think President Trump is a father, he's very protective of his daughters. I, I think he could see him for what he was from the get go and was very quick to call that out.

[B]

Well, maybe not from the get go but eventually he figured it out and Trump, he said he got pissed off cuz they were stealing his employees from Mar a Lago. He didn't like that and it like creeped him out and he warned him a couple times to like knock it off and get out of there.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I look, I keep drawing the line back to 2024. You know, they tried to put President Trump in jail for 500 years. They tried to cripple his empire, they tried to cripple him financially, they tried to. They came after his family, tried to put his family in jail. When none of that worked out, they tried to kill him. This is like the fifth time on the Epstein stuff with President Trump.

[B]

The walls are closing in.

[C]

The walls are closing in. But now. No, no, this is really important though. Like there's actual work being done. I just pulled this up. Operation Dirtbag Ice arrests over 150 criminal aliens and sex predators in Florida. Crackdown. That was today. That was this week that that happened. So we, this administration and President Trump are going after actual sex predators.

[B]

But you didn't hear about it.

[C]

This is the fifth time around on this.

[B]

You didn't hear about it on purpose. This whole thing is Operation Get Distracted because they lost bad on the shutdown. And so they held this thing, they put it in their pocket. They didn't coordinate with the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee. None of that. They just released three selective emails that all sort of made Trump like death by innuendo is how Bill O'Reilly's putting. And that's exactly right because here we have Ghislaine Maxwell said Trump didn't do anything. You had. I'm just blanking on Professor Dershowitz who talked with Epstein and said, did Trump do anything? No, he didn't do anything. And you had Virginia Guthrey say Trump didn't do anything. This is all a cheap optic scam. And guess who's running with it. Well, sadly we have to talk about it cuz we have to clear President Trump's name. But guess who else is talking about it? All the media apparatchiks across the spectrum. Guess what? They're not talking about how the Democrats got absolutely hosed in the shutdown. They dragged the country through the mud for 40 plus days. Guess what else they did? They lost the economy about 1.5 trillion in GDP just by shutting down the government. All of that carnage is now they instantly flip the page like it never happened. Cuz they lost bad.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And we also need to just kind of acknowledge that this is Democrats taking advantage of conservatives in our infighting. Right now we have a fractured coalition. There's a lot of infighting on the right. We just got pumbled in the most recent election. We're not looking great coming into the Midterms. And so this is the left coming in at a fragile time for us on the right, but a fragile time.

[B]

For them, too, Mikey. That's the problem.

[C]

Fragile time for them, too. So this is them trying to clear up the government shutdown l that they took. And then on top of that, this is them trying to take advantage of us and our infighting.

[B]

All right, I totally agree, but they're experts at it, and they have the media apparatus that'll play ball. I'm gonna play. Cut. 287. This is Jasmine Crockett getting owned on CNN about this. This redaction that was completely. It was all for show, just to make it look serious. 287.

[D]

The email right here on your screen. She wrote a book, as you know, and she did not accuse him of any wrongdoing. What do you make of that? And can you confirm that? Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, it's redacted who the victim is, so I won't necessarily take the Republicans word on who it is. That's redacted. And I don't know why they would necessarily necessarily redact someone's name who is deceased at this point.

[F]

The Democrats did that.

[D]

The Democrats were. No, no, I understand, but I'm just saying, like, our biggest concern is to actually make sure that we are protecting victims. And obviously, she wrote a book. She told her truth. Wait, so then she's admitting that we're telling the truth? That was weird. She's like, they're not telling the truth. But then, like, explain.

[B]

That was left coded language. She told her her truth. Okay, so it's not necessarily Jasmine Crockett's truth is what she's trying to say.

[D]

But listen, she makes my head hurt.

[C]

Anytime Jasmine Crockett gets owned, I'm just. I. I count it a win.

[B]

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[B]

Alright, so we added yet another Daisy Phelps who is like our resident. When Alex is not here, she's our resident pop culture expert. You and Emma, you keep us informed. So this is the theme which is ironic coming after Jeffrey Epstein, like the most anti family topic you can imagine. And yet here we pivot to Hollywood pop culture. And there is a theme emerging, Alex, that some of the brightest stars that are young stars are now defending the idea of family and they are fighting against this prevalent anti family messaging that we've always associated with Hollywood. Am I summing it up somewhat accurately here?

[D]

Yeah, you are. I was so surprised. The songs that are coming out, the statements that are coming out from a list, stars defending having children, slamming hedonism essentially and talking about how they just want to have, you know, kids and there's nothing wrong with it. And in fact so saying it's weird if you brag about not having children. I mean this is a total complete 360 from the messaging that we've had the last 10 years. And it seems like overnight this year there's been a shift.

[F]

Well, and I think so. A couple weeks ago we had talked about when the, the member called in, there's a new Taylor Swift song about how she just wanted to have kids and settle down. And people were saying that was trad wife or alt right propaganda. So we had talked about that a little bit. But I think that what's even a bigger story than that, everyone's talking about this Kelsey Ballerini song that just came out and I texted Emma Kate as soon as this came out and I was like I would pay money for Charlie to be able to hear this song. Because it's not only someone who just in Hollywood is now saying they focus too much on their career now they want to have a family. It's someone who just previously in the last couple years was saying they didn't want to have a family, had a very public divorce, trashing her ex husband very publicly because he wanted a family. So we have, we have that clip of Alex or of Kelse Ballerini on.

[B]

I Think I got it.

[D]

276 who brought up the idea of divorce first?

[F]

Me. How did you begin that conversation?

[D]

I was realizing that I wasn't ready for kids. And that's a fundamental difference. That was something that we had talked about early on and that was something that I was changing on. Cause he was ready. He was like, I don't want to be an old dad is what he kept saying. And I was like, I'm not. I just. Like, I'm not there yet. And I can't. I can't do that to, like, save this and give you something that I'm not ready for. Like, I just can't do that to myself. I took him out to dinner and I was like, for my 30th birthday, I want to freeze my eggs. And it was not a good day. And I think that was when I was like, there's a fundamental difference here.

[F]

So that was a couple years ago and it was very public. And then she put out a song just recently called I Sit In Parks. And it is really sad. So I know you've listened to it. We have the lyrics.

[B]

Yeah. This is crazy, actually. So. 266. You can throw up the lyrics. She said, did I miss it by now? Is it a lucid dream? Is it my fault for chasing things a body clock doesn't wait for? I did the damn tour it's what I wanted, what I got I spun around and then I stopped and wonder if I missed the mark and she.

[F]

Even in the second verse talks about how she's hitting her vape but she's dreaming about a nursery with Noah's ark and Rolling Stone says she's on the right track but she's refilling her Lexapro. So it is.

[D]

This is bleak.

[F]

Completely A wanted like I. And we've said this to Charlie for a long time about Taylor Swift. She's always said that she's wanted this thing. I think this is an even bigger story because it's someone who. The complete opposite was saying that this is what she wants. She wants her career. She doesn't want to be married. Yes.

[B]

So she straight up divorced a dude because she didn't want to have kids.

[D]

For selfish reasons. Just selfish. Purely selfish reasons. There's no biblical grounds for divorce there. You know, saying, you want kids and I don't. Only for a couple years later for her to say, oh, actually, I think I do want kids. And this is.

[B]

She call them back up and be.

[D]

Like, well, now she's dating Chase Stokes.

[F]

Which I think they're back together.

[D]

Yeah, they were just spotted, which I have a whole theory on that. I have a whole theory on that.

[B]

I don't know who Chase Stokes is.

[F]

Outer Banks.

[D]

Outer Banks actor on Netflix, big teen drama series. I have a whole. So can I just say something that's really a wild theory about this. They've been dating for three years, broke up like, the day after Charlie was murdered, and then now they're back together two months later. My theory, as soon as I saw this, because I believe he had commented something positive about Charlie, and I think maybe it was deleted or something. Right in those, like, first few hours after his death. I don't know. Obviously, we don't know for sure, but I have a hunch that maybe he came out and defended Charlie and said that this was wrong and he didn't deserve to be killed. And I think Kelsey freaked out because she is a huge lib and I think she dumped him. And now she's sitting in parks in Nashville and she's watching all these young, gorgeous families where the husband is strong and doting on his wife and they look so happy and they're sitting on the blanket playing with their children, and she's sitting there hitting a vape, being like, I guess I gotta go refill my Lexapro prescription. Wow, this is like super dark and depressing. Maybe I jumped the gun on this breakup. So now they're back together. I. I just wonder if it had to do a little bit with Charlie. But beyond that, I think this is. So this is such an important story to tell, what she's doing, because we do not set young women up for success when it comes to motherhood. We should be talking to them when it comes to chasing your dreams and what career you want to have. We should be having these conversations in high school, letting them know, hey, it's okay if you want to chase a career. However, you should know that statistically, statistically you are going to want to have children and that if you have a career when you have children, 65% of women will drop out of the workforce completely once they have kids or they want to go down to part time. So if you know that statistically, going into choosing your career path, choosing your degree, what career path or what degree would you choose that would be more conducive to motherhood? You have. This is just the majority. This is what it's going to be like for the majority of women.

[B]

You're terrifying me, Rick.

[D]

Why?

[F]

Because I'm less than two months away from giving birth. Andrew's terrified hearing that 65% of women don't go back to this.

[B]

What is. Wait, this stat again. Read it. Maxim. Don't worry.

[C]

Say that one more time.

[B]

We have pregnant women all over Turning Point right now. It's like a. It's a total. I don't know what you want to call it, but it's. It's. We're gonna be in trouble in two months. No, this is a good. It's a great thing.

[C]

We celebrate more babies.

[F]

Really is. I feel like the luckiest person in the world. Especially. I think we even have the picture of when I told Charlie Narrator. That I was pregnant. 305 if we want put that up. But I have. I've been so, so grateful.

[C]

Charlie's smiling.

[F]

Erica. Well, Erica had asked me the day before, and I was like, no, no. Because I knew I wanted to tell them both together. So they were both pretty shocked. But I just am so grateful because our message is all about families, families, families. But I also have loved and still love my career. And so having a boss that was so ecstatic for both and, like, was so committed to making sure that I could and will still do both is the dream. But most people don't have that. And so I think it's really important that these huge celebrities, like. And Timothee Chalamet saying. Bragging about having kids and how much time afforded to them to do other stuff. It's bleak that people are bragging about not having kids.

[B]

Yeah. Timothy Chalamet, actually, I don't know much about him. I will just say he's great. Super talented. He's 10 out of 10.

[C]

But also, it's actually pronounced Timo Tay. You guys are pronouncing his name.

[F]

I think he's French.

[C]

He is French.

[B]

That is American.

[F]

Well, I think he's both.

[D]

But here's what's important.

[B]

That's. So is.

[D]

Is this. This crash course in reality that kind of knocks women on the head once they're in their 30s, if they purposefully chose a life of pursuing career and selfish pursuits above having a family and children. It comes for everybody. Okay. If you're a woman, the clock comes for us all. And so with Kelsey, she is really. It's important to.

[C]

To.

[D]

To make sure that she understands that feminism lied to her. She. She wasn't given. True. She wasn't really given informed consent on what she was choosing and what she could potentially. Now there's still time for her to get pregnant and have a family, but they weren't honest with her about how you can have it all as a woman. But what we're missing when we're talking to young women is telling them it just may not be all at the same time.

[F]

Yes. And Erica said that at YWS this year. That was a big. A big part of her. And Charlie.

[C]

Charlie. Charlie would be so fired up on this.

[B]

When you said the clock.

[F]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's. It's true. It's a biological clock. Everyone has it. But I also think. And that's what we're seeing with Kelsey Ballerina. She's in her 30s. It's also like an emotional clock for women that no matter how much you push it off, push it off, this is something that you were made to.

[D]

Do and when you purposefully put it off. So when you are not living a godly season of singleness, where you are dedicating your life to the Lord and you are praying for a future family and all of that, that's different than purposely choosing singleness. Okay. For selfish reasons. When that time comes and you're realizing, oh, snap, like, I have very small, a very small window here to have a family, you are picking a mate then. And who's going to be the future husband of your children or who's going to be the father of your children under pressure. Pressure. You're not going to pick. I don't think as thoughtful of a partner as you would when you have more time and you're in your 20s, you know, if God allows and you meet that person in your life again. I feel bad for her first husband because he was right the entire time and she blew him off. And now look at the mess that she's made it.

[C]

It.

[B]

It.

[D]

That's sad to me.

[B]

I. I wanted to play a clip from Charlie. Yeah, we should. Yeah, it's. This is. This is in September of 2025. So just before he was assassinated, talking about this incredibly important topic to his heart.

[A]

253 children is more important than having a good career. I have two kids. I also have an amazingly blessed career. Our podcast is doing great, but my kids matter way more than how many social media followers that I have. And I would also tell young ladies, you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children. And that is a beautiful thing. This is not about shaming. It's not about ridiculing. It's not about moralizing. It's about lifting up what is beautiful. And by the way, we look at the mental health data. Young women are not okay. Half that is right half of liberal white women say that they have some form of mental health issue that has been diagnosed by a doctor. What is the number one thing that mental health professionals will tell you when it comes to mental health issues? Loneliness does not help. So maybe we should solve the loneliness epidemic by encouraging young ladies to get married and have children. It's good for them, it's good for America, and it's good for our future.

[B]

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[D]

I think what's important to talk about when it comes to women and this idea of career versus family is that we are told. Another lie that we are told by the feminist movement is that you can have a family anytime you want to. Not that is not true. We cannot guarantee that even with different fertility technologies. It is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant with ivf. It is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant in any other way. And so you're telling women to wait till the very, very end of their fertility window to then attempt to try to have a family. Meanwhile, they've had a decade plus on birth control. You have no idea what hormonal issues are brewing underneath because you've been ignoring it and, and stifling any symptoms that you might be dealing with to let you know something's going on with the birth control. So then when it is time to get pregnant and have a family, you can't. You don't know why you're spending $30,000 on IVF that may or may not work. It's just when Charlie talked about the importance of family, and I know that made a lot of women sensitive. He wasn't doing it to be a bully. He was doing it from such a good, pure place in his heart, saying, I have experienced the best thing in life. I don't want you to miss it. It was a fatherly, loving warning to young women because he loves you so much that he's telling you the truth that culture isn't willing to tell you. And you know what? As much as I think it's frustrating and I disagree with Kelsey Ballerini's reason for divorce, that's great that she made this song because she's being open and honest about maybe I made a mistake. And that could encourage other young women to think twice about their own selfish pursuits and mistakes that they could be making. Putting career above a family when you have a very small window to be able to have a family.

[F]

Wow.

[B]

Well said.

[A]

I love.

[B]

I know, but I love what you said that he. Because, because, listen, Charlie used to complain when he would talk about this topic because inevitably it would cause this huge uproar and he'd get. He'd get write ups on, like, on these, like, pop culture outlets, you know, that we usually didn't get write ups on because, you know, oftentimes it would just be political media that would pick up Charlie stories. But when he would talk about this, it would become this huge uproar. And he was. And I remember we actually have the clip. It's basically the same thing he said. But he went on Laura, I think two nights before he was killed. And he said that. And Laura threw him this question because it was becoming like this big uproar again. And he's like, you could see him almost like roll his eyes. Like every time I talk about this, Laura, like, it becomes a huge thing. But I love what you said. He wasn't trying to be a bully. He was trying to say, I want the best for you. And if I don't just tell it to you straight, like, you're not going to hear it because nobody else is willing to do this because of the uproar. I'm willing to take the slings and arrows. And this is the truth.

[C]

I thought Joe Bob really did a great job yesterday on the show too, talking about this. He said, we started dating at 19, got married way later, and we had kids way later after that. Once I had kids, I Realized that how much life just doesn't really matter, and that is what matters in life. He goes, I would sooner go work at a Costco if it meant that I could be with my kids more often. And like that statement from Joe Bob made me go home until Elizabeth was.

[B]

Like, we should get some.

[F]

Food after this.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm going to get into this and I want to bring Blake into this conversation as well here. So, Blake, if you're listening, we've got this. It's kind of like a viral story. Mikey set it up. It's a Walmart wedding ring story.

[C]

Okay, so there's this couple and he buys. It was like a $900 ring from. Was it from Walmart? Yeah, yeah, from Walmart. He proposes to his fiance, well, his girlfriend asking for her to be his fiance. And she says no. And then there's. All we get is just this out of context screenshot of text messages. Between that. Okay, that drives me nuts. I'm just gonna start by saying that any out of context message, like, I will not give too intense of an opinion until I receive more context. But I'm Alex, you want to kind of discuss this?

[E]

Basically, these messages to me, I can't see them.

[B]

Yeah, you. You had. You had them up.

[D]

Just so the boy says, I just got to ask Manny. I guess that's her girl. What happened tonight? I've been planning this proposal for over a year. You really told me no in front of everyone that crushed me. She said, it's not even about embarrassing you. It's about you not listening. I've told you the kind of ring I wanted more than once, and you showed up with something from Walmart. He said, so this is about the ring. I still spent $900. Regardless, I got the ring. I put so much effort into this for you, for us. She said, tyler, if you knew what I wanted and still chose to do what was easiest, tells me that you don't really hear me. I want to feel chosen, not just proposed to. He said, wow, so everything I just did didn't matter to you, huh? She said, it mattered, but not enough for me to say yes to a forever I'm not sure you're ready for.

[F]

I think there's a lot of things happening here.

[E]

Yeah, there's a lot going on here. The number one thing is. The number one problem here is did the guy post all of this online?

[D]

We don't know. I think the girl.

[F]

The screenshot is from the girl's perspective.

[B]

Yeah, it's her. It's the Girl.

[E]

Okay, the villain here is whoever. The villain here is whoever posted these screenshots onto the Internet because fair. When that much of your life is. Is being. When you're. When you're thought to something super personal and just super between two people like this is to blasted on the Internet. It's just wrong. No, the purpose of this is not to get points for who's right in this argument. The purpose of a potential marriage is not your social media likes or anything like that. And more generally, this is a controversial take I have because I guess he got shot down in public.

[C]

Maybe.

[E]

This is weird. I don't like public proposals.

[D]

Agree.

[E]

They rub me the wrong way. It's making an event out of it when it should be. It should be between the two of you. And if they wouldn't say yes in private, then this is not a thing you should do.

[C]

Well said, Blake.

[F]

You would hope that the breaking off of a relationship that's serious enough to get to the point of engagement would be a little more heartbreaking instead of, I'm just gonna post this online. And we don't know all the facts. We don't know what happened between the two of them. But I can't tell if people are upset that the ring is from Walmart or if they're upset that she said no in public or that she's just posting these messages online. I can't really tell what the issue is here other than this couple should not be getting married.

[B]

Mikey has a take that I think will inspire us. Blowing the brake again because then we're argue about it.

[C]

Well, I don't know if I still agree with my old take because Blake, the real, you know, she. Her posting this is the problem.

[B]

All right, but what if you're right?

[C]

But let's pretend this was just a leak. I think from a view here, a lot of this is out of context, but she probably told her boyfriend many times what she wanted. And it could have been a $900 ring, but it could have been a very specific cut. And that's probably maybe her. Her personality, maybe her love language is gifts, and she just really wanted something specific, and it's him not listening to her, having said that 200 times, that.

[B]

Actually made her upset because she does make the point. It's that you didn't. You didn't listen.

[C]

You didn't listen.

[B]

What do you think?

[E]

Well, I'm not married. I don't want to wade into this territory. I feel if you're fixating on the ring, that's a problem. Like, it's not the saying.

[B]

She's not fixating on the ring.

[E]

You gotta live with.

[B]

She's not fixating on the ring. She's fixating on the fact he didn't listen to her.

[F]

So maybe, maybe. And Alex can speak to, like, Alex has all silver jewelry on right now. I have all gold jewelry on. I know. Mikey and Andrew, you both went through this when you both proposed to your wives. Like, there is a specific color that each woman wears. And if I. If Luke had gotten down on money and proposed me with a silver ring, I still would say yes, but I would say, hey, I've told you a thousand times, I only wear gold jewelry. I'm not sure where this went wrong. I would have goes into it.

[D]

I would have a pit in my stomach if someone proposed to me with a gold ring because that's not my color. And I would have, like, said a million times.

[F]

But you still would have said yes. She means maybe that's the issue.

[E]

What?

[C]

You still would have said yes?

[D]

I would have been like, yes, but I. I would have this, like, very, like, like, disturbed part of me that's like, is this the man for me? If he literally can't listen to the most basic direction and not even listening.

[F]

But, like, observing you, maybe?

[B]

Here's the thing. Most couples, when they get to this point in their relations, they do discuss the ring. And if he just completely tuned that out and went to Walmart just to get it done and focused on the, like, show of it, I can understand why she's a little upset. But you don't post the chats. Stop posting text messages that are private for the love. And that goes for all of you out there, too. You know who you are.

[E]

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[C]

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