D (3:03)

I see you on campus all the time, Charlie, talking to young women. And I would say it's really important in my life, especially that having a marriage and having a family has made my life richer and better for my own self. I feel like I got married late in life at 28. I wish I would have found Stephen sooner in my situation is that I was communications director to Steve daines, to Martha McSally. I was over at the Department of Homeland Security and President Trump's first term, which is how I met my husband, talking about the need to secure our. Secure our borders and build the wall, which I'm so glad President Trump is doing now. But truly, what. What I saw is that I went from being communications director to a vice president. I had three kids in four years, and then I was a top advisor to Elon Musk at Doge in President Trump's second term. And what I found is that you can have kids. My own career has proven, don't worry about that gap on your resume. Like, I was always taught that you would have this gap and you would never be able to have the career that you can imagine for yourself, because kids will just knock you out. And it's just. It's not the case for me, as my husband has supported my career. We're a team. I'm so excited to see what he's doing, and he's been my greatest champion in this endeavor, calling all of his friends and telling everybody. And you see it on his feed. It's just how proud he is of me, the same way I'm proud of him. And I would encourage young women that marriage and family gives you the ability to go further and higher in your career, not less.

A (4:29)

Yeah, but why is it that young ladies are presented with this binary option. And so many resist marriage, and they say that there are no good men and they delay marriage so long. Do you think that young ladies should delay marriage? Just blindly delay it? I mean, of course, if you want to try to wait for the right person, no one has any debate that, but the blind delay that I'm not gonna get married under any circumstances. Do you think that's the right advice we should be issuing?

D (4:59)

No, I think New age feminism, or whatever we're calling it, where we're saying, I don't need a man and I can do this on my own. Let me tell you, I did it on my own for a while, and I was a proud female, and I'm very proud of the career I had before Stephen. But let me tell you, since I've met Steven and since we've had three kids, my career has completely taken off because I have a champion at home. I have someone who is my supporter. I'm able to. To be able to advance my career and have a second set of someone who really trusts and has my back. And I would encourage young women to find their partner. And, you know, I wouldn't say it's only on the women. I would say that there's men these days who don't treat women like the way they should. Stephen was the incredible gentleman who took me on amazing dates and who really, I would say, pursued me. And we had a very good courtship and dating life where he did treat me like, you know, a woman. A man is supposed to treat a woman. And that's also lost in today's society. Charlie, I know you know, you and your own personal life. I'm sure your wife can very much relate to my experiences. When you have a strong man, you have a strong marriage.

A (6:00)

Yeah, absolutely. What advice would you give Katie? A Katie Miller podcast. And your podcast is very personal. It's great. And one. One day, I hope to be big enough to be invited on, but that's a separate issue. Katie, what advice would you give to the Republican Party broadly about reaching young women politically? You're doing a very cultural thing, which is important. But if you were to say, hey, these are 1, 2, 3 things that we should do, because the data shows young men are going dramatically to the right, young ladies are going to the left, but not as dramatically as they were a couple years ago. What can we as a movement do better?

D (6:42)

So we saw President Trump in the last election, as you just mentioned, close that gender gap a little bit. Right. That is because they make America healthy again movement from Bobby Kennedy And President Trump, we also saw that's because we don't want to trans our children. And Riley Gaines has been a tremendous. Has made a tremendous impact in that regard. And I think the more that we can talk to women where they are on their value set, which in my opinion, is, you know, creating happy, healthy households and feeding our kids good food and not giving our kids this toxic lifestyle, whether that be from tv, movies, or what's actually in their diet, the more we give moms that outlet, because I believe talking to moms isn't ideological or political. We are, at the end of the day, all just trying to raise our kids in this beautiful country that we love. And I think unless we're cultivating that audience and really building the audience, there isn't a place right now where besides Charlie, one of your shows, right, like that, that truly conservative women can go to get information about politics. We need to create that audience. So that way, when we have a 2028 election and midterms, that our elected leaders can talk to women directly where they are. Because I believe that magazines used to do that. But what is magazines anymore? They're just trash.

A (7:54)

Well, they are, and that's right. What is the solution to the intractable allure that so many young ladies have towards liberalism? What issues in particular do you think can move them?

D (8:10)

I think Hollywood and the far left glamorized this vision of you can do it on your own women empowerment. And I just think we aren't telling women there's another avenue towards women empowerment, which includes having a family. Right. Because far too often you see it on Alex Cooper, call her daddy. They glorify this single woman, this behavior that is, in my opinion, not degenerate, certainly not moral, but, like, it is just the absolute opposite of what I find to give me value every day in my personal life. And you see it on TV and movies. You saw yesterday a clip of Snoop Dogg on a podcast talking about why is he having to explain to his kids in a movie what transgenderism is? And why does a woman and a woman who are married and how do they have kids? It's like, why are we inserting that and teaching our children that that is the values of our country when it is not? You just also want to tune in and tune out of the noise of everyday life and just be able to enjoy what is a quiet household, to be able to teach your kids what you want. And so often now we've lost that in society. If only we can tell our neighbors and our people at church and our people in school as everyone's going back to school, these fellow moms that this is common thought and you don't have to just go with the flow and be ashamed to be who you are.

A (9:28)

Yeah. So in closing here, Katie, how could people find the podcast? What else can we expect from you moving forward with this important project?

D (9:35)

We're on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, X rumble. We are where you find a podcast like subscribe. Our next episode we just released last night with Katie BRITT Again, the U.S. senate's youngest female senator. Next week we're going to have on Joe Gebbia, the founder of Airbnb who was most recently named Chief Design Officer of the United States by President Trump. It is an exciting time to be a conservative and it's an exciting time to talk about what women actually care about, which is not transing our kids.

A (10:06)

Amen. Katie Miller, Check out the Katie Miller podcast. Thank you so much.

D (10:09)

Thanks, Charlie.

A (10:13)

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I need my Taylor Swift historians to. I think she has. I could be wrong. Now this is major news. Everyone is talking about it. Travis Kelce, the pharmaceutical spokesperson and Taylor Swift the pop star are now officially engaged. Emma says she has not been engaged. So this is a first. Now look, it is no mystery that I'm not the world's biggest Taylor Swift fan. However, I think there's actually something here that we should all celebrate. How often do we on this program talk about the three M's make you a better citizen and, and more conservative? Which of course is mortgage, marriage and mating. And so Taylor Swift obviously has plenty of mortgages. She's got more homes than I'll ever have. She's incredibly wealthy. But maybe one of the reasons why Taylor Swift has been so just kind of annoyingly liberal over the last couple of years is that she's not yet married and she doesn't have children. I say this non sarcastically. I say this as a husband and a father. Having children changes you. Getting married changes you. And I hope that America's biggest pop star marrying the pharmaceutical spokesperson ends up conservatizing them. Taylor Swift might de radicalize herself. She might come back down to reality. I want them to have lots of children. It teaches something about, teaches you something about yourself. Deep down. I think Taylor Swift actually was raised as a conservative that has gotten kind of caught up in this metropolitan liberal stuff. And she doesn't quite have an attachment to the conservative backbone that she was raised in. But this might reattach her in the best possible way. And I'm not saying this sarcastically. I've seen this happen time and time again when, when people start to get married and have children, it starts to change your politics. It starts to clarify your worldview. And for Taylor Swift, who obviously is very popular and incredibly supported, Taylor Swift might go from a cat lady to a J.D. vance supporter. And I think we should celebrate that. I think that Taylor Swift having two or three children, she should have more children than she has houses. That is my challenge. Taylor Swift, and I'm not being sarcastic, I think that if she, if she ends up having children, she'll stop this kind of liberal endorsing Joe Biden nonsense. And we want, we want Taylor Swift on Team America. We want you to leave the island of the Wokies and we would welcome you with open arms. One of the reasons why so many people on the right have been just skeptical or at least a little bit negative on Taylor Swift is up until this point, that's not a great role model for young women to wait all the way until you're 35 and just put your career first. We just talked about this with Katie Miller. However, there's a great chance to change that. It's a great chance for Taylor Swift now to get married and have a ton of children. You can certainly afford it. Taylor and Taylor Swift has been all, you know, through America and the ups and the downs and. And if you feel that violent shaking in your home, that is the earthquake of the pop culture. If you hear that high pitched scream, those are the young ladies on your block screaming. And honestly, Pfizer pays well, baby. I mean, Pfizer pays the bills. That is quite a ring, Mr. Kelce. I'm impressed. I gotta be honest, we don't know exactly how much Pfizer paid you to pedal that product, but boy, you brought in the Benjamin, sir. That is some impressive. That is some impressive carrots right there. That right there has its own zip code. I'm impressed. All kidding and sarcasm aside, this is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative, engage in reality more, and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor, you're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert. I can't say it without laughing. You got to change your name. If not, you don't really mean it. Congratulations, Taylor. TikTok has helped US businesses contribute over $24 billion for the US economy. That's real money flowing into small businesses like Arizona Taco King, who went viral on TikTok and had $1.3 million in sales in their first year. Now they're hiring more staff to keep up. Or Bluffcakes, who started as a home baking side hustle and became a national cookie brand. Or the she Mechanic, whose business tripled in just the year with help from TikTok. Now she's in a bigger space with a bigger team. TikTok is helping small businesses thrive. And now that's adding up to more jobs, more growth, and over $24 billion flowing into the US economy. Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the US economy. And@tiktokeconomicimpact.com that is tiktakenomicimpact.com joining us now is Jeremy Carle, author of Unprotected How Anti White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. Jeremy, I want to broaden the discussion that is currently happening largely online and somewhat on television around student visas, I believe, and I've talked to some people in the administration. I believe there's going to be some clarifying elements of what's happening with the Chinese visas. Also, we can't weigh in too much about this because President Trump is in the midst of a massive, a geopolitical change or trade deal. So there's a given, there's a take. So I haven't really weighed in on much of it. But what instead what I want to do, Jeremy, is I want to broaden it and just come up with a way that we should think about student visas. Right. President Trump has both of our confidence. He's going to crush it. Let's not, you know, look at the, the day to day back and forth riff raff. Let's take a more macro picture. Let's go through the essence of it. How many people are foreigners that are coming into our schools and that are learning our universities. Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? And how should we think about student visas altogether?

B (18:20)

Yeah, Charlie, and by the way, I just want to echo your comments, which is I understand why people online are going to sort of, they're going to freak out and say, oh, you know, he said 600,000. And you sort of wonder these people ever watched Trump negotiate before and get fooled for the 50,000th time.

A (18:37)

Exactly. This is all part of negotiations. So let's not get, I support him completely, but let's talk about more conceptually. Please keep going.

B (18:44)

Yeah, so conceptually I think we've got something on the order of a million foreigners studying in the US Right now. I think there are clearly some advantages. There's particular advantages to the universities now that may be positive or negative depending on how you think of universities, because these are generally people who are paying full freight. So in some sense they are subsidizing being able to offer scholarships to American students. On the other hand, they are sometimes crowding American students, particularly in technology, out of these top programs, particularly in graduate school. And so that's a real problem. And then there's also the security element. And I can tell you what, when I was a doctoral student at Stanford, we paid a lot of attention to places where we did not want Chinese graduate students studying because we felt it was a security risk. So this is a thing that really does get worried about and it should be worried about.

A (19:38)

So, yeah, let's differentiate this for a second. So what would you say is the difference between the graduate and the undergraduate designation? Does that matter as we're talking about foreign visas?

B (19:50)

Yeah, Charlie, I think it absolutely does. So, I mean, I think undergraduate, you're going to have a much sort of wider variation in student quality. And it also kind of matters less because with rare, rare cases, there's not going to be anybody involved in really cutting edge research. When you get to a graduate school, particularly a doctoral program, particularly at some of these top programs, you're talking about people who are really working on often very, very cutting edge work. I mean, in many cases, the faculty member, if it's a doctoral program, maybe only lightly supervising it, and the real cutting edge work is being done by the student. Now, if they're bringing that work and it's staying in the US that's great. If they're going and they're stealing our intellectual property from other students, from professors, whatever else, and reporting on that to the Chinese Communist Party or wherever, whatever our geopolitical rival is, obviously that's a big problem.

A (20:44)

Right. So let's just go a step deeper into this. So the Chinese question is one presented as one issue, but it's really three issues. At the most basic level, we have Chinese who come to America for basic undergraduate degrees. We know that. Now, there's two ways to frame it. You could say that it's offsetting our trade deficit with China. They sell us manufactured goods and we sell them paper degrees. However, another way to look at it is that we're importing foreigners to prop up a failed business model. How reliant are these universities on foreign Chinese purchasers of degrees?

B (21:20)

You know, Charlie, it just, it varies from university to university, but there's no question that a number of our universities are very reliant, not just on Chinese degrees, but we're seeing this a lot from India, which is the other really big supplier of foreign students, not as much of a security threat, but a country that we certainly do need to pay attention to intellectual property there. So we do have that. But, Charlie, again, you kind of started your career even attacking the university business model for good reason. And I think that we would be better off in the grand scheme of things if we let more of these schools fail, because again, they can only be propped up by foreign students, in some cases looking for that US Prestige. And I don't think that that really serves American interests pretty well, particularly considering how woke a lot of these universities have become. So, you know, there's no simple and clean answer, but I think that's broadly how I'd think about it.

A (22:21)

Yeah. So let me ask you, and I think I know the answer, why does Xi Jinping care so much about this issue? You would think that when you're negotiating a trade deal, which is what's happening right now, Xi Jinping would be worrying about imports or exports or hey, don't go to Taiwan, or making sure that we have control over the South China Sea. But instead a top priority is student visas. Here's how I interpret that. Some people say, oh, it's international espionage, they're spying on us. There's probably some truth to that. You can't trust the Chinese. The second of which people say, well, they're, you know, they're training for, for that they can replace us and they're getting valuable intellectual capital. The third of which I actually think is a little bit more benign is that I believe he's getting a lot of internal pressure from Chinese oligarchs that want their kids to be able to go to US universities so they can stay domestically competitive in the CCP rat race.

B (23:23)

Yeah.

A (23:23)

What do you think of that analysis, Jeremy?

B (23:25)

Charlie, I think it's actually very insightful. I think both the, there's the practical element of they want that US brand degree for the CCP rat race. I think there's also sort of sentimental reasons and prestige reasons around the same thing. Xi's daughter, this was kind of not widely reported because she studied under a pseudonym, is actually a Harvard graduate. And for a long time the Chinese Communist Party, some of the top leaders have been sending their kids here to the U.S. i think there's some positives and negatives of that. I mean, obviously we can affect what they think in terms of culture and hopefully they come away with a little bit more positive view of the US but there's obviously also some risks associated with that. But I think that, yes, it's the rat race and it's also this sort of soft prestige and maybe even some sentimental value. I mean, again, she has one child, that child studied in the US and so this may sort of thing may be a little bit personal for him.

A (24:22)

Yeah. So by the way, Chinese universities are quickly rising in prestige, very, very quickly. And so again, the President, he's negotiating this massive, huge trade deal. This was Howard Lutnick's explanation on Laura Ingraham's yesterday. I know Howard, he's a friend of mine. I don't think I agree with him here. Let's play cut320. How is allowing 600,000 students from the Communist country of China putting America first?

C (24:55)

Well, the president's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd emptied them from the top. All the students would go up to better schools, and the bottom 15% of universities and colleges would go out of business in America.

A (25:12)

Well, that sounds wonderful. Actually, the bottom 15% of colleges should go bankrupt. So I think the president's thinking here is not that. I think the president is trying to get a macro trade deal where diplomas and degrees are a small concession for a broader recalibration. But we'll see. Again, he's more than earned a lot of leeway here to be able to negotiate. We don't even know what that is with maybe Taiwanese security and a trade deal. Jeremy, your thoughts here?

B (25:46)

Yeah, again, absolutely. I mean, it's just at the end of the day, you've got to look at President Trump's record, particularly in the second term, which has just been spectacular in my view, and just say, like, do we trust the guy we elected? I obviously do. You obviously do. As you point out, there are so many different things, public and private. He is negotiating essentially the core US China relationship. And if in the context of that, he has to make some small concession on student visas from what might be ideal from my perspective as an immigration hawk, that's something I can live with if the bigger deal is a good deal for us. And again, I have a lot of confidence that Trump can deliver on that. But again, having said that, I'm glad people are raising their voices, because President Trump and his administration pay a lot of attention to what his supporters are saying, which is not something that's been universal among Republican political leaders. And so the fact that people are raising this as an issue means that we're not going to give it away anything here cheaply, and I think that is nothing but good.

A (26:53)

In closing here, Jeremy, tell everybody about the position that you are pending forward if the Senate could get its act together.

B (26:59)

Well, we're hopeful and I'm hearing good things. But I'm have been nominated by the president to be an Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization affairs. That is sort of overseeing the things we do at the UN and some other allied multilateral organizations. And President Trump and Secretary Rubio have put together a terrific team at the State Department and so hoping that the Senate will be able to move forward and if confirmed, really looking forward to being able to serve the president in that way.

A (27:28)

Jeremy Karl, excellent work. Thank you so much.

B (27:30)

Thanks so much, Charlie. Pleasure to be on.

A (27:33)

Email us freedom charliekirk.com so we're going to see what the end train deal is. I don't think people should get too worked up about this because as you see, this stuff happens in motion. It's going a million miles a minute. They're going back and forth and back and forth. But a better trade deal, Taiwanese security guarantees. I would say though that the, the graduate student one is one that we should really, that's the one that we need to kind of go get our sights on. That's the one that we need to probably look at more closely, the undergraduate one. I will say though that if the argument is, hey, this helped us pull off a bigger game changing trade deal, all for that, but if the argument is like, hey, this is going to help so that a bunch of colleges don't go under, that dog doesn't hunt, let those, those colleges should have gone under a long time ago. They shouldn't exist in its current form. In their current form, it's hard to believe it was even possible. But the Democrat run states are now more pro abortion than ever and will only get worse unless you join me Standing for Life. This is Charlie Kirk and we're saving babies right now with preborn. Ultrasounds save lives. That's why Preborn gives free ultrasounds to girls and women. It's the truth they truly deserve and it doubles the chance that she'll choose life. $140 gives five mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies. $280 can save 10 babies and just $28 a month can save a baby a month for less than a dollar a day. And a $15,000 gift will provide an ultrasound machine that will save lives for years to come. Ultrasounds save lives. It's the truth they truly deserve and it doubles the chance that she'll choose life. Whether you want to save one baby or five or hundreds, that opportunity is just a phone call or click away from. Call 833-850-2229 or click on the preborn banner at charliekirk.com that's 833-850-2229 or click on the pre born banner at charliekirk.Com so this is it. This kind of plays into our original thesis, which is that if you want young ladies to become more conservative, we should Encourage and celebrate marriage. The three M's Get a mortgage, get married and mate. I will say, the power that Taylor Swift has, she could inspire a lot of young ladies to want to get married. It's going to be very interesting on campus. A lot of these Swifties who hate me are always like, charlie, stop talking about marriage all the time. Well, your queen is getting married and maybe you should too. Something happens when you get married. This is a great clip. One of our listeners sent it to me. I want to just make sure I mention the listener. It's from hbo Real Time with Bill Maher. Cliff emailed it to us. Freedom. Charliekirk.com and this is an actress by the name of Whitney Cummings. It's a really important piece of tape. Her on Real Time with Bill Maher. Play cut355.

B (30:32)

Even Bill Maher couldn't help but laugh at this woman's transformation from liberal to a conservative. Mom.

E (30:37)

It's been fascinating because I've been on this sort of journey through motherhood where, you know, I've always been a very liberal person, maybe even a libtard. But once you have a kid, you start, like, having thoughts that have been characterized as conservative. As soon as I had a kid, I was like, I need a gun now. Not for myself, because I've got coyotes in my yard. I've got coyotes everywhere. And before I had a kid, I was like, they coexist with us. Coyotes were here first. Like, I'm in the coyote's home now. I'm like, let's make hats out of them. Let's make hats. Let's make coyote boots, Coyote earrings out of their eyeballs. Like, it's just.

A (31:15)

First of all, she's very funny, and that is unique. I don't find most female comedians funny. Nothing. Sex is just. I don't. And usually they're so crass. That's quite funny. And it goes towards a more fundamental truth, which is having children changes you. And that is the point, is that as we have had a dramatic fertility collapse in the west, we shouldn't be shocked that how it's changed us not having children has changed the West. And having children can change your core beliefs. That is why when we were in the dark night of the soul, that is why when we were in the wilderness, what did we go and build the entire movement upon? The Parents Party. It was parents at school board meetings. That was the basis that launched us out of the January 6th nightmare. Out of the raids, the FBI, the ATF, the DOJ. It was grassroots Parents, and it is parents that will save this nation. It's not a moral marker. If you don't have children, that doesn't make you a less, it doesn't make you a worse person. But I think we could all agree that having more children, it's not just a good thing, it's a necessary thing to reverse the entire fertility collapse that is facing our society and our civilization. You think about it, getting married is a covenantal thing. When you have children, you think of everything differently. You go out less, you don't drink alcohol, you watch movies differently, you don't view marijuana the same way. If there are no children, there is no tomorrow. You view food differently, you view doctor's visit differently. It changes your entire perspective and it happens more and more. So over time, once you are a parent, you start to think of, oh, my kid would like that, or I don't want my kid to see that, or I don't want my kid to walk down that street, or I don't want my kid to have to be hassled by a homeless person. I find that it is those without children and not married that tend to not care about the stuff that we as conservatives care about. They don't care about littering, they don't care about crime as much. They don't care about homeless people because it's just themselves in their own little world. It makes society fundamentally more decent. Why? Because it makes us, you and me and Taylor Swift and Whitney Cummings more decent. And again, Taylor Swift, if she has four or five, six children, be amazing, that will be a conservatizing event, no doubt. And there are some exceptions. There are some celebs that stay libs and they trans their kids and they do all that stuff. Okay? But I do believe that if Taylor Swift all of a sudden has a moment when her teachers try and change the pronouns of her kids, that's probably a conservatizing event. Look, I think. I think Taylor Swift's got to go full Mormon. I think six kids minimum. I mean, think about what a conservative Taylor Swift would be for the country. It'd be an amazing thing. And overall, I think this is wonderful. I hope they have a lot of happiness and I hope they have a lot of joy and a lot of children. And I hope the women of America will have less cats and more children. Your queen is getting married and so should you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

D (34:33)

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A (34:33)

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