The Bill May Be Big and Beautiful, But Is It Passable? - The Charlie Kirk Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show Episode: The Bill May Be Big and Beautiful, But Is It Passable?
Release Date: May 28, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk delves into the ongoing right-wing movements, examines the potential impact of the "Big Beautiful Bill," and addresses personal grievances against journalist Jake Tapper. The discussion is enriched by an in-depth interview with Senator Mike Lee, who provides insight into the legislative challenges surrounding the bill.

Triple Trending Counties: A Shift to the Right

Charlie Kirk kicks off the episode by highlighting a significant political shift in the United States. Referencing a comprehensive analysis by The New York Times, Kirk introduces the concept of "triple trending counties," which have consistently moved to the right across three consecutive presidential elections (2016, 2020, 2024).

[16:30] Charlie Kirk: "These are counties that have moved right in all three elections that Trump ran in. Almost 50 million people live in these counties. This is not just some sample size."

He underscores the breadth of this shift, noting that nearly 50 million Americans reside in these counties, indicating a substantial nationwide trend rather than isolated incidents. Particular attention is given to Clinton County, New York, and Suffolk County, New York, both of which transitioned from Democratic strongholds to Republican favorites in recent elections.

Interview with Senator Mike Lee: The Big Beautiful Bill

The centerpiece of the episode is an interview with Senator Mike Lee regarding the "Big Beautiful Bill," a legislative package aimed at extending tax cuts, revitalizing the military, and addressing immigration issues. However, Senator Lee expresses reservations about its current form.

Current Status and Concerns:

[18:46] Senator Mike Lee: "At the moment, no. In fact, there's no chance it could pass the Senate right now. But there's still time to fix it."

Senator Lee emphasizes the bill's necessity in preventing a projected $4 trillion tax increase and its role in enhancing national security and border control. Nonetheless, he critiques the bill for insufficiently addressing the federal spending crisis, highlighting that projected deficits remain unacceptably high.

Key Points Discussed:

Spending Cuts: Senator Lee insists that for the bill to gain his support, it must offer a clear path to reduce federal spending to pre-pandemic levels by fiscal year 2026.

[20:19] Senator Mike Lee: "We just have to have a reasonable path to get back to pre-pandemic spending levels somewhere at least in range for fiscal year 2026."
Medicaid and Medicare Reforms: The conversation delves into potential reforms within Medicaid, including closing loopholes that allow states to manipulate Medicaid funding.

[23:21] Senator Mike Lee: "We've got to close that loophole because that's encouraging states to take more and more federal money."
Doge Cuts: Senator Lee explains the distinction between discretionary and non-discretionary spending, clarifying that while some spending cuts ("Doge cuts") can be expedited through mechanisms like rescissions packages, not all can be addressed within the current legislative framework.

[25:17] Senator Mike Lee: "Not everything through DOGE could be done through reconciliation. But I think most people want to see aggressive action."

Timeline for Legislative Action:

[26:41] Senator Mike Lee: "I suspect it'll take place over the next four weeks. During the month of June."

Senator Lee remains optimistic about the bill's progression, anticipating aggressive action in the Senate with hopes of finalizing the legislation by the end of June.

Artificial Intelligence and Job Displacement

Charlie shifts the discussion to the burgeoning impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on the job market. Referencing a report from Axios, he highlights warnings from AI leaders about the potential elimination of white-collar jobs.

[28:00] Charlie Kirk: "AI could wipe out half all of the entry-level white-collar jobs. Unemployment could spike to 10 to 20% in the next one to five years."

He critiques the Democratic Party's focus on protecting white-collar workers while neglecting the blue-collar workforce, suggesting that AI advancements pose a significant threat to the latter as well.

Personal Grudge Against Jake Tapper: Accusations of Anti-Semitism

Towards the episode's conclusion, Charlie Kirk vents his frustration with journalist Jake Tapper, whom he accuses of smearing him as an anti-Semite during the Republican National Convention (RNC).

[32:15] Charlie Kirk: "Jake Tapper smeared me as an anti-Semite during the Republican National Convention when I was speaking. I'm not getting over it."

Kirk references a New York Times article by Jonathan Weissman that labeled him disturbingly anti-Semitic, asserting that his pro-Israel stance is often misconstrued.

[33:45] Charlie Kirk: "I defend Israel on campus every single day to the New York Times. Call me an anti-Semite. And then you have Jake Tapper pedal that garbage on CNN during a primetime audience for nine minutes straight."

He challenges Tapper to appear on his show for an apology, expressing unwavering confidence in his commitment to honor the Shabbat and support Israel.

Conclusion

Charlie Kirk wraps up the episode reaffirming his dedication to combating false accusations and promoting conservative values. Despite facing media backlash, he remains steadfast in his mission to influence American politics and safeguard constitutional principles.

[34:07] Unknown Speaker: "For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com."

Notable Quotes

Charlie Kirk on Government Bureaucracy:

[07:30] Charlie Kirk: "The permanent machine bureaucracy exists to extinguish the will of a well-meaning Mr. Smith goes to Washington. The bureaucracy intentionally plays things slow."
Senator Mike Lee on Fiscal Responsibility:

[20:19] Senator Mike Lee: "We just have to have a reasonable path to get back to pre-pandemic spending levels somewhere at least in range for fiscal year 2026."
Charlie Kirk on AI Threats:

[28:00] Charlie Kirk: "AI could wipe out half all of the entry-level white-collar jobs. Unemployment could spike to 10 to 20% in the next one to five years."

Final Thoughts

This episode provides a comprehensive look into the current political climate, legislative challenges, and personal battles within conservative circles. Charlie Kirk effectively combines data-driven analysis with personal anecdotes to engage his audience, fostering a deeper understanding of the shifts occurring in American politics.

Transcript

Charlie Kirk (0:00)

Hey everybody. Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio, the Charlie Kirk Show. The right wing revolution continues as we predicted last summer. We talk about triple trending counties and then also Senator Mike Lee talks about the big beautiful bill and why he is a no. And then finally my grudge against Jake Tapper continues. That's right. I'm not getting over it. We go back in the wayback machine that not even a year ago, Jeff Jake Tapper smeared me. We talk about that and more. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com Become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk. com get involved with TurningPoint USA@tpusa.com that is tpusa.com Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

Senator Mike Lee (0:46)

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

Unknown Speaker (0:52)

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

Charlie Kirk (1:03)

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I will take, I will say this though, I will definitely take Spanish over the Arabic outside stores. I will say that I would much rather have a nice little bodega of some guy from Nicaragua that at least believes in Jesus and doesn't want to conquer the entire western world than what I saw in London. Take it. It's not ideal, but I'll definitely take it. The city definitely does feel different than from Biden's term. The city finally has life. A lot of people are back in town and things are happening and there's a hustle and there's a bustle. The biggest change, honestly, is not even that political. It's that under Biden, the city couldn't shake that ridiculous like long Covid depressing, wearing masks all the time thing. I mean, I remember visiting D.C. like late summer 2023. It was the only visit that I had while Biden was president. D.C. i literally avoided D.C. for four years, except for one day and everyone was still wearing masks and everyone was still walking around with masks. I said, what is going on here? So there's definitely a more hopeful vibe in D.C. but I could tell you we're going to get into some very promising news here from the New York Times. It is so hard to realign a government back to constitutional purposes. This place wears you down. This place grinds you down to a halt. It exists. The permanent machine bureaucracy exists to extinguish the will of a well meaning Mr. Smith goes to Washington. The bureaucracy intentionally plays things slow. It intentionally will obfuscate, it will delay, it will shrug its shoulders. It will say it has to go to a certain committee. It is a war of attrition. You see the permanent deep state bureaucracy, they say, oh really? You guys want to doge us? You want to cut our spending, we will outlast you. We're going to be here despite when there's elections. And that actually was the original intent of Woodrow Wilson. The Wilsonian view of government, which is to have a technocracy of elites of the ruling class, of the philosopher kings, as Plato would say, that they're going to be there permanently and elections matter less and less. And that is one of the questions that is in front of us. This is exactly why I want to get into this idea of triple trending counties. It's a theme that we talk about a lot here on this program because what we're seeing unfold in Washington D.C. and I was meeting with some White House staff last night and they are working so hard and they deserve such credit because the energy alone, just to get basic stuff done, it will, it will take your entire afternoon to just get a very simple thing done. Where? In the private sector? At Turning Point usa. I say it and it gets done. I want to have an event on this day. Yes, Charlie, we'll do that. Thank you. We want to have this speaker. Yes, we will do that. Thank you. Where? In this White House because of the deep state government. It's like, I want to go to Saudi Arabia. Well, you might have to do this, this, this. And only because of President Trump's brute force is he able to be this productive. Remember, it was Joe Biden staffers that came out and they said, I wish we worked for a White House when Joe Biden was president that was as agile, that was as problem solving, as entrepreneurial as President Trump. But the struggle in front of us is will elections continue to matter or will elections be ceremonial? No different than putting in the King of England as someone who's there to greet super bowl champions, cut ribbons, fly around the country and be nothing more than a glorified spokesperson for the country. Are we looking at a similar presidency? That is a presidency in name only. No different than the monarchy in the United Kingdom. The New York Times did a amazing story this last weekend. And I gotta be honest, every so often, the New York Times just crushes it with their data analysis. You just gotta call. You gotta call strikes. The New York Times, which by the way, is like the least radical of all the rags. The Washington Post is gone. I mean, there's so many of these that are just gone. The New York Times every so often has a little glimmer of hope that they still are holding onto, wanting to be a respectable newspaper. And Andrew will tell you we deal with reporters in every single major outlet. At least the New York Times will allow us to talk to him. Some of these major outlets, they won't even take your phone call anyway. So what the New York Times did is they did a story of how all the counties, basically how many counties have been moving right in America in the last three presidential elections. And that what was so interesting about what the New York Times did, the New York Times did as they analyzed the 2016, the 2020 and the 2024 electoral map, because that is now three election cycles over the course of a decade of whether or not this is a permanent right wing shift in our country. And the visuals are very powerful. We can put them up on screen. They are dramatic and they coined a term and I like it and I want to emphasize it. Let's get the actual national map up on screen. So what you're seeing here is the percentage with college degree by county that shifted. Right. If you're on podcasting or radio, we're going to put this up on screen. But the big one is 220. Let's put 220 up on screen. I want to get this framed in our office because that just Goes to show the behemoth of the work that we accomplished at Turning Point Action. Alongside obviously President Trump and the entire team and the social media juggernaut, the entire country moved to the right. It's not just one localized area. Now, there were some places in America that moved to the left. The suburbs of Atlanta. Big problems, everybody. Huge. In fact, the suburbs of Atlanta were, and the exurbs of Atlanta were the most left leaning, left tilting per capita of any counties in the country in the last three election cycles. The suburbs of Denver, Santa Fe, New Mexico, couple places in Oklahoma, a couple places in central Indiana. So we have a Georgia problem. We're going to diagnose that. We're going to do an entire show on that in a different time. Dallas a little bit, but nothing too noteworthy. But again, let's go back to the red map. I mean, these are the counties that just to go to be clear, let's go back. These are the counties that moved right in all three elections that Trump ran in. Almost 50 million people live in these counties. So this is not just some sample size. And these are counties that were otherwise blue strongholds. As you can see, in Florida, every single county moves dramatically to the right. So basically what the New York Times put together is something called triple trending counties. These are counties that trended to the right in all three elections that were previously controlled by Democrats, the first of which is something a county called Clinton County, New York. The historical trend was that it was traditionally a Democrat leaning county. Clinton County, New York is a great example of how the Republican Party has remade the electorate and remade the political map in recent elections. In 2008, Barack Obama won it by 22 points. In 2020, Joe Biden won it by 5.2 points. But in 2024, Donald Trump flipped the county, winning by 2 points. Another good one to look at is Suffolk county, considered a swing county with fluctuating support between both parties. In 2020, Donald Trump won it by 232 votes. But in 2024, Donald Trump secured 54% of the vote, the highest percentage since 1988. That is Suffolk County, New York. And then of course, there's the wild counties, which we've done a lot of work in Wisconsin, Waukesha, Ozakwi and Washington. In 2020, Donald Trump received 60% of the vote in these counties. And he did even better in 2024. These are triple trending counties, which shows that that the entire country, absent a couple little pockets, is moving to the right. Why is this? We're going to Explore that and explain and also talk about why parts of the Big Beautiful Bill might only continue this trend in our direction. You know what's keeping me up at night? Not my conscience. It's actually my aging DNA. It's getting hammered like a pinata at a kid's birthday party. Here's the wild thing. Scientists in Australia just discovered that one mineral might be the bouncer your DNA needs. In this fascinating study, they found that low magnesium levels are like leaving your DNA's front door wide open to damage. But here's the kicker. 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What we're doing on campus is so critical. We are breaking the cycle. Billions and billions of views online and this map again show, the national map demonstrates it. This is over three election cycles. This is not just some sort of isolated incident. The entire Midwest, the entire center part of the country. I will say I wish California performed better there, I really do. And Arizona is not. It's kind of neutral if you look at the final Democrat map. But it really goes to show that in the central and eastern time zone, there is a consistency that has moved dramatically in our direction. The map is no accident. But the more interesting part of this is who is moving to the right. These triple trending counties show us that it is the working class. President Trump has made gains in six times as many counties as Democrats in his three runs for the presidency. And his gains have come predominantly with working class voters. Earnings less than $100,000 a year. The erosion of working class support among black, white and Latino voters alike is the number one political story of this generation. And here's the There's a lot more of them than. There are elitists, academics and overly educated beyond their intelligence types. If you work with your hands, if you shower before and after work, you've been on the losing end of globalization, of wokeness and offshoring. Democrats are only making gains with one group of people. Highly educated rich people, those with luxury beliefs and abstractions. You can see the income graph. It is chilling. Democrats keep on gaining, gaining with the group. The wealthier you are, the more likely you are to be in the Democrat party. If you drive a forklift, you're more likely to be in our category. Now, interestingly, there was a story this morning from Axios that I want to highlight which is going to. It's going to be a major story and it's worth emphasizing. It ties all of this together, which is a top artificial intelligence CEO foresees a white collar bloodbath. Now, interestingly, we are not yet going to see the blue collar bloodbath. Robotics is coming, but it's not yet there. It's still a slow mover. The humanoid robots still struggle to do the very basic human tasks and be able to do them at scale for decades. And this is the irony. Elites were very smug about their own economic security compared to blue collar people. They used to say, learn to code, you carpenter. Learn to code. It doesn't matter that we shipped your factory job overseas to Wuhan, China. I got this fancy degree. I deserve this. You see, according to this story, it's pretty amazing. Looking around the corner, anthropic CEO Dario Amodi, who's building the technology, says AI could wipe out half all of the entry level white collar jobs. Wonder who's been predicting this on a college campus telling all these kids they're being scammed. You notice it gets very quiet when I'm on a college campus and I say this, I say, you guys realize that your entry level jobs are not going to be here in five years. Deep down, they know. They know they have been totally scammed. AI could wipe out half of all those jobs. Unemployment could spike to 10 to 20% in the next one to five years. Possible, possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting and other white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. And this is not something that necessarily should be celebrated. But now a lot of degree holders are in grave danger. The same degree holders that are voting for the Democrat Party thinking the Democrat Party's going to protect them. We figured out how to replace a software engineer or a PR rep faster than we figured out how to replace a carpenter. It's funny how that works, isn't it? Going into 2028, it is conceivable that these little suburban enclaves of mid level managers that are completely useless and irrelevant very well might be replaced. I don't yet think the C suite is going to be replaced for anytime soon. You still need human beings making decisions. But what you are going to see is one of the most dramatic job displacements. And it's going to be a top issue in the 2828 campaign. I agree with Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon says, quote, I don't think anyone is taking into consideration how administrative, managerial and tech jobs for people under 30, entry level jobs are so important in your 20s are going to be eviscerated. This is my message when I go to these campuses. I said, you guys are getting a woman's study degrees, women's studies degree, you guys are just getting a communications degree. You are going to get wiped out. And what is the Democrat party doing to actually protect you and defend you? Nothing. So as the Republican party is becoming a working class party, it's actually a constituency that might still be working. And if you're a mid level manager, you might be employed sometime soon. Charlie Kirk here. Crime is skyrocketing. You may already own a firearm, but before you face the financial and emotional weight of pulling the trigger, consider Burna. Burna's less lethal launchers fire tear gas and kinetic rounds designed to incapacitate attackers for up to 40 minutes, giving you time to escape and call for help without deadly consequences. I use Burner. My family all has them. And now meet the new compact launcher. An amazing product. Sleek, slim and hits like a sledgehammer, but the size of a smartphone. It's perfect for concealed carry, comfortable, discreet and confidence building. It fires at 400ft per second with 41 joules per square inch of stopping power. That's enough force to halt a threat. Cold about the legal and moral complexities of lethal force. 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