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Charlie Kirk
Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. Our recap of all of the drama between President Trump and Elon Musk. We dive deep into these details and we make a case of why Elon Musk has such difficulty working with government. Also, the acting ICE agent, Todd Lyons joins us. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com Become a member today members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk dot com so check it out today members.charliekink.com Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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Andrew
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Todd Lyons
I want you to know we are.
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Andrew
Lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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Stephen Miller
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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Unknown
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com it's been a slow news day. Not really anything going on. Searching for things to talk about. We're going to have to just kind of put together a show here of some significance. First of all, those of you that support the program, that listen to the podcast, thank you. You guys make this show possible. And I love what is coming up in hour two today, which is our members call. It's one of my favorite things I do every single week. I interact with you, I learn from you. It's just awesome. And the last 24 hours has been fun. Let me kind of take you back to what happened here. So we've been here in Phoenix. I was in New York prior earlier in the week and hosting the program, pushing for the big beautiful Bill. So we had Stephen Miller on the program yesterday which by the way, Stephen Miller put forward one of the best presentations and defenses of the big beautiful Bill that anybody will see. It was phenomenal. I got thousands of emails. Freedom. Charliekirk.com Charlie I went from skeptical to convinced. Our entire show team roster, from Andrew to a Lot of people said they had reservations. But Stephen Miller's case that he made here on long form was incredibly persuasive. As Blake aptly put it. He said, look, this is a conservative wish list. I just wish we weren't bankrupt. And that's a great way to put it. Of course we want more cuts, but this bill is a gift. It is electric. More tax cuts, more ICE agents, more border funding, more deregulation, more, more drill, baby, drill. I mean, it is just a conservative wish list and still with $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. And we wish it was even more. From nationwide voter ID to the $1,000 Trump baby bonus. I mean, it's just across the board tax on remittances, tax to be able to apply for asylum, permanent border security. It's great across the board. So Stephen Miller and I, we're. We were doing this here live on Real America's Voice and live on the Salem Radio Network and live also on X. So we were streaming live on X. And we have no, let's just say, verifiable proof that this is what happened. But we can infer this what happened. As we were doing the case for the Big Beautiful bill, our viewership numbers skyrocketed. People were watching it. They were engaging with it. And soon after that segment that Steven and I had here, both Steven and I got unfollowed by Elon Musk. I have no bitterness towards that. I have no reservation. I have no anger. I like Elon. I always have. I'm thankful for him. Him stepping up and buying X was an immense contribution to Western civilization. We've only ever been complimentary of Elon, and I will continue only to be complemented complimentary of Elon, both privately and publicly. And I sent Elon a text afterwards being like, hey, thankful for all that you've done for me and for Western civilization. And, you know, if you ever want to reconnect, here I am. No big deal. And of course, what ensued after he unfollowed Stephen Miller and I was salvos heard around the world. And I've covered a lot of this extensively. I did a flash podcast episode that you guys can listen to. President Trump has been remarkably restrained in this back and forth because Elon Musk went to go say that we must impeach Donald Trump, and then that Donald Trump is part of the Epstein files. Let me start with the first one. Donald Trump's not getting impeached. Well, removed from office, I should say. He's been impeached twice. Not going to happen. I chalk that one up to men say stuff they don't mean when they get in a fight. And it is true. But men are very different than women. You see, God made men and different women, and those differences are beautiful. When women fight, they will harbor resentment for 35 years. They will remember when a neighbor said something a little bit off putting a decade ago. Do you remember when Sally stole my parking spot? Do you remember when she. I actually don't remember. We as men have a much short sight, let's just say short term memory with this stuff. We could fight and insult and then we can kind of just dust it off and say it's all good. So I'm going to chalk that one up to just, as Jesse Waters put it, two roommates that have just kind of gotten a little bit heated. I've seen this time and time again of men that just come to blows and then they'll forgive one another and then they'll just be fine. Let's go to a baseball game, let's go to a basketball game, let's play poker, let's go get a beer, whatever it is. There's something in the masculine form that you go to such great extent and you go to such a thermonuclear level, it almost makes the forgiveness in some ways more likely just kind of blow off steam. Now, as far as the Epstein thing goes, this one, of course, is a bridge too far in some ways. I still think that President Trump and Elon are going to reconcile. People think I'm nuts for saying this. I made the prediction on Thought Crime yesterday where I said, don't be shocked that before Christmas, all of a sudden there's going to be a report of Elon Musk back at Mar A Lago. I know that I'm, I'm in the minority here, but I think cooler heads are eventually going to prevail. And just like we had the Abraham Accords and we're going to solve the Russian Ukrainian war and that we solved the Indian Pakistan war and that we're going to solve the Israeli Hamas situation, I think that there will be peace accords between President Trump and Elon Musk, and they will be signed at Mar a Lago over two scoops of ice cream and steak. I just, I think that there will be the Musk Trump Accords where they come back together and there will be some reconciliation. But as far as the Epstein thing goes, I have to address this. Number one, the administration is working to get these files out. Apparently there's a Ton of graphic child exploitive material that they have to blackout and all this. But there is no evidence whatsoever that President Trump is mentioned in an incriminating way in the Epstein files. And let me just make the most common sense, reasoned argument imaginable. Number one, if you actually look at the Epstein files that were released back in February, President Trump was mentioned in a non incriminating way. You know who else was mentioned? Like every single person that lived in Palm Beach. The idea that President Trump, what Elon Musk was insinuating is that President Trump is, let's just say, a really bad person by saying this is not only is there no evidence, there's evidence to the contrary. He kicked Epstein out of his club at Mar A Lago. He actively went to war against Epstein for being very, very creepy. But let's just kind of put on our thinking cap for a second here. Let's just use our reason. A gift given to us by God Almighty. You're trying to tell me that the Democrats who controlled the entire federal government were sitting on Donald Trump being in the Epstein files and they decided to dispatch Fanny Willis and Alvin Bragg and Jack Smith to put him in jail for 700 years. They decided to dispatch Letitia James to take away his business empire. All the while they were sitting on a smoking gun of Donald Trump being in the Epstein files. Why wouldn't they have just moved on net? They impeached him twice. So here's Joe Biden and he has Merrick Garland and you have Lisa Monaco and you have this entire flotilla of anti Trump Democrat activists. And all they'd have to do is not go raid Mar A Lago, not go look at documents, not go do the fact that Trump watched Oan and said go find votes. Not the fact that Donald Trump apparently something with Alvin Bragg and Stormy Daniels. No, no. Instead, all they'd have to do is just open up the files and say, oh, Donald Trump's on the client list.
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Todd Lyons
Boom.
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Charlie Kirk
The FBI was controlled by Democrats and the doj. The reason they didn't do that is because it doesn't exist. The Russia hoax would have been completely unnecessary if Donald Trump was on the Epstein client list. It's time for us to use some common sense and some reason for cooler heads to prevail. The Epstein files, I hope, are soon released and I believe they will be released. I know Cash is working on them. Bongino is working on them, Bondi's working on them. There's a lot of redactions need to happen of individuals, names and victims names a lot of legal technicalities, but not for a minute should any of us entertain this salvo from Elon Musk, who I have great respect for and that I'm very thankful for, that Donald Trump is somehow on the Epstein client list. It's an interesting time for business. Tariff and trade policies are dynamic, supply chains are squeeze and cash flow tighter than ever. If your business can't adapt in real time, you're in a world of hurt. 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And it's not even a feud, it's more just kind of Elon launching salvos against President Trump. I also, I want Elon to know this, and I'm communicating this to any way I possibly can. Just remember how MAGA had your back when the Biden administration threatened to come after you for building that convertible house. And also remember how MAGA had your back when all of these Tesla dealerships were being burned in roars of terror. MAGA had your back when all the cars were vandalized. We had your back and we will continue. And maybe Elon doesn't care about this. I think that once the passions and the intensity subside, I can make a very good case for this, which is that, Elon, you made a choice. You made a choice to no longer be a man of the left. That is a courageous and admirable decision. However, once you decide to no longer be a man of the left, you will have a target on you. You will have a red laser for the rest of your existence. There is no going back. There is no redemption There is no forgiveness. There is no reconciliation. There is nothing. The left still wants you, you gone and dead. There is no way that you can remedy this. They have no tolerance for the non believer and they have absolutely no tolerance for the dissident. Anybody that leaves the Democrat Party, anybody that leaves the left and speaks out against them gets treated in a Moscow show, which trial where they will do everything they possibly can to ruin you. We are a little bit different. We're willing to actually offer forgiveness. You're blowing off steam. Had a tough day. We want to hear from you again. Things might not always be the same, but we understand that people do things that they regret. People evolve and they grow and they mature and there's a nuance in life. And I'm not willing just to say, oh, cut it off. You know, look, this is, this is a process. Elon has not really even been in the political space for a year. Remember, it was July 13th when he officially endorsed President Donald Trump. He's a very, He's a rookie. I've been in this for 13 years. Elon has not even been in this for a year. But understand this, Elon, if you think all of a sudden you can move to the middle and that, you know, oh, we're going to start this new political party, do not. And whatever it's worth, it is very unwise to act as if all of a sudden all these people on the left are going to come running back to you. You have a political home. You're doing your best to try to separate from that. And this party is becoming a lot of the things that you've always wanted. You still have Doge, and Doge is warmly received and accepted. And if I were to offer the best possible, let's just say, explanation of how Elon views government. One of the brilliances of Elon Musk, from building SpaceX to building Tesla, is his ability to make decisions at any time and they are followed. He is the Pharaoh of Tesla. What he says goes. There is no question. And it gets followed. Government doesn't work that way. First of all, he's not the president. Secondly, you don't get to tell Congress what to do. It's not a gigabyte factory. It's not Boca Chica where you're trying to build a rocket. It's something completely different. We only have three votes in the House, and that includes a lot of moderates. And you got the salt people and you got the Dusty Johnson people, and you've got the moderates. And so when you're trying to organize all these different coalitions together. It's a lot different than calling shots at the boring company saying, I want to make you drill underneath Las Vegas. Make it so. Yes sir. We are not that form or structure of government, for better and for worse, because sometimes we have to get grinded down by the bureaucracy. And so Elon looks at this and he thinks it's incomprehensible that we just can't have the right thing happen immediately, all the time. Remember the Constitution. The brilliance of it is it spreads out power over time. It sometimes annoys us when we're in power because we want to do stuff very quickly. But it's our saving grace when lunatics like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris get in office because it spreads out that power. It is a diffusion of the power. And so Elon, as a very effective, incredibly talented CEO, enters into a political space and he is used to giving orders and they are followed and excellence ensues. We want government to get closer to that form, but it's not there. Instead, it requires patience, deliberation, prudence, self discipline, and doing that over long periods of time. In business, they say you can have better, cheaper or faster, but you only get to pick two. What if you could have all three at the same time? That's exactly what Cohere, Thomson Reuters and Specialized Bikes have since they've upgraded to the next generation of the cloud. 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Give our audience an update of how things are going at Immigration's, Customs and Enforcement, the morale and the mission, please.
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Todd Lyons
Hey Charlie. Well, first, thanks for having me. No, I think everything's going really, really well. I think we're obviously executing President what President Trump's want and his vision, Right. What the American people voted for, we are actually doing our job. Now what you're seeing is men and women of ICE all over the nation are actually taking public safety threats out of the community. I think just some of the press releases you've seen, a lot of the high pro profile cases we've done, we are actually getting the worst of the worst off the street. But not only that, we're actually enforcing immigration laws, which we haven't done for the past four years. And I think that's what the American people really wanted. They wanted action. They wanted Immigration Customs Enforcement to be out there enforcing the law. And now we're showing that we're a vital part of the law enforcement landscape here in America. And morale is great because people now under President Trump and under the leadership of Secretary Noemi, we're actually out there allowed to do our jobs. And, you know, big operations like we had in Boston last month, we have large operations going on on the west coast right now. Day to day, there's always something going on. And I think that you're seeing exactly what the President wanted and what America voted for is we're out there doing our job and getting the worst of the worst out of our communities.
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Charlie Kirk
So ICE just broke a nationwide arrest record. 2,368 arrested in a single day. If you annualize that, that's a major number. How many of those arrests are actually able to be then immediately deported?
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Todd Lyons
Well, Charlie, we do our best and we focus on the ones that are the worst of the worst and to have executable final orders. But we are encountering those millions of gotaways under the Biden administration that have to be processed, that came in here without proper vetting, that we need to go ahead and get them to due process, get them in front of immigration judge. So there is a large percentage that we can move right away, but unfortunately there are some that we have to go through the immigration process. We can take some time, but, you know, that big number was our largest day number yet, but it's only going to be more. Now we're on pace to have those kind of sustained numbers just because we have that whole support of government. You know, President Trump was able to get us part our partners with atf, FBI, Secret Service, Diplomatic Security Service, pretty much every federal law enforcement agency and so many state and partner across the country that you're gonna see more arrests taking place now nationwide.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So let's dive deeper into that. And so what would then the Big beautiful bill do to allow you to expand your force? Because look, 3,000 is a good number, but we need to get to 5 to 10,000 a day, right? I mean, we have 25 million illegals in this country and every single one of them needs to be deported. So what do you need in, in this big beautiful bill to allow you to be able to expand the deportation effort?
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Todd Lyons
Well, I think first thing, Charlie, is manpower, right? We now have the opportunity to go ahead and recruit UC recruiting across the military, across law enforcement nationwide, because law and order is back. So we need that opportunity to hire more agents and officers across the whole spectrum of ice. But that also includes our immigration judges and support staff. Not only do we need guns and badges on the street, but we need people behind the scenes that are doing all the clerical work, all the legal work, all the transportation work to move these people. On top of that, we really need to work on our transportation program. As far as our airframes, we need to get more planes in the air. We really need to make sure they're constantly up in the air and moving. Not only that, but just constantly having that steady stream of aircraft all around the country. So when we say you arrest or have a large scale operation, say in New England or Minnesota, that we're able to get them to a transportation hub right away and get them out of the country. So having all those pieces is important, but not only that, having that detention piece is huge. Obviously, the detention part of our budget is one of our biggest pieces. It's a large portion of our yearly budget. The thing is, ICE doesn't detain punitively, we detain to remove. So our goal is to not fill these beds for long, but make sure that we're getting people in there not being released. Back on the street, you know, we've ended catch and release. That's huge and important because now we're able to do that proper rating. We're able to make sure that we keep tabs on all these people that have final orders and get them out as quick as possible. So I think those are the three main things is the manpower, airframes and the detention piece. That's going to be huge.
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Charlie Kirk
I want to play a piece of tape here. The Democrats are mad that ICE agents wear masks. It's funny, they went through years of telling us that they must cloak their identity, always live anonymously. And then secondly, they've never ever talked about antifa. But it's obvious why ICE is wearing masks because their families and their entire loved ones are Doxxed and are threatened by the Democrats. Let's play cut339.
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Andrew
Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that. This is America. This is not the Soviet Union. We're not behind the Iron Curtain. This is not the 1930s. And every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, that is a threat. So what Hakeem Jeffries is saying is that we're gonna identify them and then he will throw the paramilitary troops of the Democrat Party, which is Antifa, and the purple haired jihadis, to come after them. Cuz they want ICE agents to be doxxed or dead or demoralized. Your thoughts, sir?
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Todd Lyons
No. And you know what? I would love to have a sit down conversation with the Congressman because I actually am a victim of that right last administration, not even this one. Even when ICE was doing their job under President Biden, I had masked Antifa drive from another state, show up at my house, threaten my wife and kids at 3 o' clock in the morning, put my address on telephone poles for six miles saying that a sex offender lived in my address. So I know exactly what the men and women of ICE go through. And it's honestly disgusting when an elected official wants to go ahead and make those kind of comments about men and women that are putting their lives on the line every day. So I will keep defending them as long as I can, with every power that I can. Because they're the ones that are out there keeping America safe. They're the ones that are out there getting the worst out of the worst. And I can say definitely for sure, in the Congressman's jurisdiction, they are taking the worst, the worst out of the case.
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Charlie Kirk
Listen, listen, I'll make a deal for Hakeem Jeffries. You get the ICE agents identities, we get the abortion doctors at Planned Parenthood. How about that? You tell us the identities of the abortion doctors and then we publicize all of them and then you get the ICE agents. Oh, you don't want that. Oh, we have to have, we have to have anonymity. Yeah, maybe because when you do certain jobs, you don't actually want those names and faces plastered all over entire, entire communities. Let's play the mayor of Boston next. Michelle Wu. I think she should be arrested. I think you guys should arrest her. She's terrible. Play cut.389.
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Michelle Wu
I don't know of any police department that routinely wears masks. We know that there are other groups that routinely wear masks. NSC131 routinely wears masks. Mayor, just to clarify, are you comparing.
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Charlie Kirk
ICE, you said, to NSC 131, Neo Nazi group.
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Michelle Wu
Are you comparing them to a neo Nazi group? What I said is that Boston police and no police department that I know of at the local level routinely wears masks.
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Charlie Kirk
Your reply to the Sanctuary City mayor of Boston, Michelle Wu?
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Todd Lyons
Yeah, you know, I said it earlier. I used to always say it was disheartened by her comments, but now I'm just flat out disgusted. One of the big issues is the fact that I actually ran the Boston field office prior to taking this job. And I'm actually from Boston, so I know what the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts actually want. And it's not Michelle Wu, I'll tell you that. You know, she talks about Boston police not wearing the masks. Boston police wants to work with us. Boston police want to partner with ice. They want the worst. The worst out of the community. I think if you take a look at what the Boston field office has done with that field office director up there and their leadership team, they've done more for the city of Boston, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and all the elected officials up there. So we've made Boston safer. And. And Michelle Wu has it. And for her to actually go ahead and compare us to a neo Nazi group, like I said, it's disgusting. It is the worst thing she could possibly say because instead of trying to work with us to get the worst. The worst out of her community. Because, Charlie, if we had more time, I could sit down here and just read all the heinous crimes that we've taken out of Massachusetts and especially out of Boston. And I don't know how she can sit there with a straight face and saying that the Boston Trust act that limits working with ICE keeps Boston safe when people get released back in the community repeatedly, and you have these heinous stories of child rape, fentanyl distribution of homicide. I was with the team a couple weeks ago. We did a ride along up there. And in East Boston, we actually arrested someone that was an illegal alien that was in contact with isis. So she needs to explain to me, and I think Sheik names needs to explain everyone she voted for exactly what her thought process is on keeping Boston safe by not working with ice.
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Charlie Kirk
Let's play 494. This is Brandon Johnson, the Marxist running my hometown of Chicago. Play cut 494.
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Stephen Miller
City of Chicago didn't flinch. We didn't Bend. We didn't break. We stood on our values and we fought back because we saw the federal government try to intimidate us yesterday. But we also saw the grassroots resistance. We saw residents and elected officials put their bodies on the line and defend the most vulnerable amongst us. That is the resistance that we need in this moment. Let's continue to stand united as a united front. The only way in which Chicago can to demonstrate for the rest of the world that when we fight together.
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Charlie Kirk
I don't know who he thinks he is with this kind of cadence. Does he think he's Martin Luther King or something? He has like a 15% approval rating. Just about 30 seconds, sir. What is the importance, though, of ICE going after terrorists specifically? You mentioned this talk about the terrorist enforcement as well.
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Todd Lyons
Well, Charlie, just if you think back, I think the one thing I want to stress everybody is the fact that we had tens of millions of people that were let into the United States that weren't vetted. You go to Boulder, Colorado, here's someone that was in overstay. Should have been better, a lot better vetted. Like I said, we just got a al Qaeda terrorist in Philadelphia, someone talking to ISIS in Boston. These are the people that ICE is focused on and exploited our immigration laws. So that's who we need to be focused on. That's who we should be out there getting. But at the same time, elected officials should be thanking us for taking these people out of the communities in the United States. Because I don't think anyone they voted for wanted an Al Qaeda member living next to them in a Philadelphia neighborhood.
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Charlie Kirk
Or in a Boston neighborhood, but they're unaffected by it. That's typical Democrat. It's been 13 years since Turning Point USA was started and why Refi has played a big role in our growth and our campus tours. Why Refi does not care what your credit score is. Go to whyrefi.com, private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Why refi refinances distressed or defaulted private student loans that others simply will not touch. If your private student loan debt is keeping you up at night and ruining your life, it doesn't have to. Just call yrefi yrefy.com do you have a co borrower? Yrefi can get them released from the loan and you can give mom or dad a break. Go to yrefi.com just call 88 yrefi34 or log on to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com why whyrefi.com. many clients aren't even able to make the minimum monthly payment on their private student loans when they first contact yrefi. Go to yrefi.com that is y r e f y dot com. Todd Lyons with us from Immigration's Customs and Enforcement, the acting director. So, Todd, let me ask you here, we're breaking the nationwide arrest record. What is the greatest barrier to getting more arrests and you doing your job? What is the greatest need that you have?
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Todd Lyons
You know, I think one of the greatest needs, Charlie, is first public awareness is the fact that, you know, if you're here in the country legally, you broke the law. So, you know, we are always talking about how we're going after the public safety threats, how we're going after the worst of the worst. But really, truly, we haven't enforced immigration law for the past four years. We have so many people that are here fraudulently here receiving benefits, here working illegally. I think one of our biggest things is now people need to know what the ICE mission is to arrest and detain and remove those people that are here illegally. So while we're focusing and working on those worst of the worst, you know, like, our big thing is worksite enforcement, if you think about how many jobs that are stolen from the everyday citizen. But if you just look at the work site enforcement and the illegal hiring of illegal aliens, it's not just the workforce. There are so many other victims behind that. There's identity theft, tax evasion, tax fraud. You know, there's child forced labor. So one thing is too, is we're focusing on those US Companies that are just taking away jobs from American people. And, you know, they're taking advantage of these illegal aliens who think they are coming here for a better life, yet they're being exploited and being forced into hard labor. So I think really, once the American Republic realizes that we are back in business, that we are enforcing immigration law, I think that's going to go a long way. Obviously, funding and more agents and officers in the field is going to be great. But I think too, we have to get away from all these radical judges and these radical decisions that are just blocking us from doing our job every day there's some roadblock put up in our mission to accomplish what President Trump wants. If you go ahead and look at our officers that are stuck in Djibouti right now in Africa, they were stuck now on a military base because a judge said we can't lawfully remove people based on laws that have been codified and written by Congress. So until we kind of have that legal avenues as well to do our job. We're just not going to be able to do our law enforcement mission.
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Charlie Kirk
How are self deportations going? Are you seeing evidence that that is working?
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Todd Lyons
We are, we are, but we're not, obviously not enough. Right. I think the big thing on that is what people really need to realize, especially legal aliens, is we are going to come and find you. So it's better to go on your own, have the opportunity to come back into the United States legally to enjoy the American dream. But if you don't, we're going to come find you and we're going to arrest you. That is the key thing. I think more people know about the program and take advantage of that. They will. However, there are too many politicians and there are too many non governmental organizations, NGOs that are out there trying to support these illegal aliens, trying to tell them that they belong here, that they have a right to be here. Right. How many times are we going to lobby in for the Maryland man or an 18 year old volleyball player in Massachusetts when in fact they're here illegally, they don't belong here and they have overstayed their welcome and it's time to go ahead and remove people from the United States?
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Charlie Kirk
Yes, we do. The big beautiful bill is going to give ICE its first personnel increase since its charter right after 9 11. ICE is critical towards the well being, safety and sovereignty of our country. Last question. What is the morale of your rank and file right now?
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Todd Lyons
I'll tell you that our morale is high. It's high for the fact that like I said earlier, the men and women of ICE signed up for a law enforcement mission and they are allowed to do their jobs. And what I'll say is that I think morale is high too because they see their other federal partners coming to the table. You know, they see the leadership of President Trump, they know that he has their back. They see Secretary Noem out there, they know that she is out there and she's working every day for us to make sure that we have everything we need. It's hard work right now because we are strapped for resources, we are strapped for manpower. But the men and women of ICE know that help's coming and it's coming from the Trump administration and it comes from the support of the American people.
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Charlie Kirk
So it's just, it's just so amazing to me. Right? And we got to go. But we, we have a $6 trillion federal budget. We got waste everywhere. No one is strapped for resources at DEI or epa. Or irs. But the only part of the government that seems to have to rub pennies together to make stuff happen is the one that will deport illegals and protect our sovereignty. Really makes you think. Todd, great work. Thank you so much.
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Todd Lyons
Thanks, Charlie. Thanks for having me.
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Charlie Kirk
Absolutely. We have ISIS back 100%. Just to reiterate that point, we got waste on everything. We're sending money overseas into Ukraine. We got all sorts of stuff. But the one place that we are real fiscal discipline, the place where we are really trying to make sure that we are fiscal hawks, is ice, the most necessary government component that we have right now. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories.
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Todd Lyons
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