Transcript

Charlie Kirk (0:00)

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

Tyler (0:01)

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are

Charlie Kirk (0:04)

lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

Jurgen (0:10)

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

Charlie Kirk (0:20)

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Jurgen, Congressman Gohmert said the real problem here is the, is the descent into atheism and how atheism and socialism are connected. You're a pastor, you're also a conservative, outspoken Trump supporter, immigrant to our country. One of the coolest stories. Can you talk about how as America becomes further connected, disconnected from a relationship with a higher power, people then gravitate towards almost state run religion?

Jurgen (0:55)

Yeah, well, that's actually my testimony. So I grew up in a home. My dad was an atheist, but the reason he was an atheist was because he was born in East Germany. So after World War II, they basically put a line down the middle. The west was capitalism, the east was communism. Well, unfortunately, my dad being in Eisenach was part of East Germany. So he had a bit of a very troubled childhood. At 18 was conscription, you had to go into the military. So he was in the military. And then they put him as a soldier on the wall. So he was a soldier on the wall. And he always mixed the guards. He said, you know, you never was with the same person. And then they would plant people in there saying, hey, how would you like to cross over to capitalism? Wouldn't that be fantastic? He says, and you were frightened because people were going missing all the time and they were in concentration camps, in gulags. This one night, a guy's escaping, gets caught in the barbed wire. My dad has the gun, refuses to shoot the guy. So they throw him into a concentration camp as a defector. He comes out of there, tells his best friend he's done, he's done with communism, he's going to escape. His best friend instead goes to the Stasi. They dob my dad in, they come around and arrest my dad. He goes for two years into, and he said the only way to get out was he had to lie and say, man, Stalinism, Marxism, that's the way to go. And so he is frightened. When I talk to him on the phone, he cannot believe what's happening to our Nation. He's almost 80 years of age now. He cannot believe what's happening to our nation because he's like, this is what we fled from.

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Comprehensive Case for a Complete Revote"

The Charlie Kirk Show
Date: November 17, 2020
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Jurgen (Pastor), Tyler (Arizona GOP official)

Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show centers on making the case for a comprehensive revote in the 2020 Presidential election. The discussion features deep dives into allegations of irregularities in voting procedures, particularly in Arizona, as well as broader philosophical debates about socialism, the separation (or lack thereof) of religion and politics, and the significance of the U.S. Constitution in the face of perceived threats from globalism and the political left. Thought-provoking stories, calls-to-action, and prayer are woven throughout the episode, with strong appeals to faith and civic engagement.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Personal Testimony and Warnings from History

Jurgen shares his family’s background in East Germany, highlighting how atheism and socialism led to severe repression, state overreach, and the erasure of religious belief.
- [00:55] Jurgen: “My dad being in Eisenach was part of East Germany...he cannot believe what’s happening to our Nation...he’s like, this is what we fled from.”
- [03:28] Charlie Kirk: “And socialism replaces in completely the God-sized hole that we have in our heart.”
Comparison with Nazi Germany:
- State religions and propaganda replaced traditional faith and led to the loss of individual freedoms.
- [03:53] Jurgen: “Instead of saying the Lord’s Prayer...they had to say, mein Fuhrer, not my Father who art in heaven, Mein Fuhrer from whom all good things come.”

2. Intersection of Faith and Civic Duty

Jurgen argues scripture compels Christians to engage in politics, not withdraw.
- [15:29] Jurgen: “You cannot separate the political realm from the religious realm...they keep crossing over into very sacred territory.”
God gives dominion to people:
- Christians have a mandate to steward governance, and “abdication” from politics invites wickedness.
- [16:36] Jurgen: “God says, no, no, I gave it to you, whatever you want. I’m not going to choose your leaders...To say that he did is bankrupt theology.”
Charlie and Jurgen emphasize prayer and active resistance against perceived evil.

3. Globalism vs. National Constitutionalism

Discussion on the World Economic Forum and the push for a “global economic reset.”
- [13:37] Jurgen: “Top of the agenda was the global financial reset...it’s basically a socialist agenda run by global elites who are not elected but who are in power.”
Trump’s America First platform is presented as antithetical to globalist goals.
- [10:19] Jurgen: “That’s why they hate Trump, is they were hoping that America would be floundering...and they were going to ride in on white horses as our saviors.”
The U.S. Constitution’s role as a safeguard against overreach is repeatedly underscored.
- [59:53] Charlie Kirk: “It was based on things that Montesquieu talked about, which is I’m going to give you something that’s based on negative rights. Which means that I’m going to start with just like here’s what you have in your natural state. Please don’t screw this up.”

4. Election Integrity—Focus on Arizona

Tyler provides detailed explanation of hand count audit laws in Arizona and how 2020 Covid adjustments allegedly undermined proper verification.
- [32:00] Tyler: “The state was operating under two different sets of rules...the law says very plainly that the hand count procedure should happen by precinct.”
- [36:29] Charlie Kirk: “So would a hand count remedy that?” Tyler: “We had a lot of drama in America of Canada this week...we’re not doing a hand count by the law.”
Dominion voting systems and confidence in tabulation are called into question.
- [33:37] Charlie Kirk: “So you have Dominion here in Arizona.”
Demands for a revote or extensive audit, with an explicit call to escalate verification beyond the statutory minimum of 2%.
- [52:13] Tyler: “We need everybody to ask those same guys...to audit more than 2% of the vote. Anything above 2% is a win. But 100% seems like a really great number.”

5. Skepticism Over Biden’s 2020 Totals Compared to Obama

Hosts and guests question plausibility of Biden outperforming Obama’s vote totals, especially in battleground counties and Democrat-leaning states.
- [62:16] Tyler: “Does anybody actually believe that Joe Biden achieved 20% more vote than Barack Obama?”
- [63:04] Jurgen: “There was nothing. It wouldn’t even be 100 to 1. It’s almost like, you know, what’s a thousand times zero?”
Turnout in U.S. cities compared to compulsory voting in Australia:
- Turnout rates above 95% are described as implausible—even in countries where voting is legally mandated.
- [67:19] Charlie Kirk: “Would you believe when I tell you that Philadelphia had 95% turnout in certain areas?” [67:25] Jurgen: “Impossible.”

6. Structural Strengths of the Constitution

Emphasis on constitutional mechanisms—such as state legislatures, the Electoral College, multiple checks and balances—that make outright election theft difficult.
- [56:20] Tyler: “The beauty of the Constitution is this, is that there is a method here...legislatures were always intended to control everything, including who becomes Senator...Including who becomes President.”

7. Call to Action and Prayer

Listeners urged to contact elected officials (especially Arizona’s Board of Supervisors) to request full hand-audits and verification by precinct.
- [45:02] Tyler: “We need you, if you’re listening, regardless if you’re in Arizona or not...to ask the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to uphold the law and verify the vote by precinct.”
Closing prayer for the nation, emphasizing justice, exposure of deceit, and God’s protection over America.
- [75:45] Jurgen: “Father, we pray that that which has been done in covert, that which has been done in secret, that which has been done in deceit, deception, will not prosper...”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Faith and Politics

“You cannot separate the political realm from the religious realm. So my wife and I have this statement that if you want to say, well, you know, religion shouldn’t have anything to do with politics, have another look. Because politics doesn’t believe that because they’re doing everything they can with religion.”
— Jurgen, [15:29]
“God did not choose Adolf Hitler. God did not choose Joseph Stalin...To say that he did is bankrupt theology.”
— Jurgen, [16:36]

On Election Integrity

“If you do not do this, anyone can go in and manipulate the data for any precinct across Maricopa County, especially in Democrat precincts. Well, you would never know because not even a single precinct has been verified to match the data.”
— Tyler, [42:44]
“Would you believe when I tell you that Philadelphia had 95% turnout in certain areas?...Impossible.”
— Charlie Kirk & Jurgen, [67:19–67:26]

On the U.S. Constitution

“The beauty of the Constitution is this, is that there is a method here. The Electoral College isn’t dependent on this for a reason...there’s a way to move forward.”
— Tyler, [56:20–56:29]
“What makes America so magnificent is her constitution that protects individual freedoms. But to the Democrats, or to the people that want...socialists, Marxists that want to be in power, they hate the Constitution because it’s that pesky constitution that stands in the way of their being able to enforce state rule.”
— Jurgen, [65:53]

Key Timestamps & Segments

00:55–05:28: Jurgen’s East German childhood and the dangers of state atheism & socialism
10:19–15:05: Globalism, World Economic Forum, and Trump’s America First agenda
15:29–18:04: Christians’ responsibility to participate in politics
24:57–29:18: Jurgen’s cautionary tale about “free healthcare” in Australia
32:00–40:09: Arizona hand count audit issues and Dominion voting system
45:02–52:13: Call for more rigorous ballot audit, specific action steps for listeners
59:53–66:48: The U.S. Constitution’s built-in safeguards against election fraud
62:16–74:41: Discussion about Biden’s vote totals compared to Obama, turnout rates, and skepticism
75:45–76:50: Closing prayer for the country

Conclusion

This episode presents a pointed, unapologetically conservative and faith-oriented case for deeper scrutiny—and even the possibility of a revote—around the 2020 Presidential election. Charlie Kirk, Jurgen, and Tyler contend that historical precedent, statistical “anomalies,” and constitutional responsibilities demand more thorough investigation of the vote, especially in battleground states like Arizona. Woven throughout is the conviction that faith and civic action are inseparable, and that the U.S. Constitution remains a crucial bulwark against attempts to undermine American democracy from within or without.

To follow Jurgen:

Twitter: @realjergmeister
Instagram: @jergmeister
Pastor of Awakened Church (San Diego & Salt Lake City)

Listeners are urged to:

Contact local officials to request full hand-count audits
Stay informed and prayerful
Recognize the ongoing significance of faith, the Constitution, and deliberate civic engagement