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Use me.
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I'm excited about our next guest. He has gone massively viral. He was also a frequent guest of the show and spoke with Charlie many, many times about COVID and the vaccines and some of the trials around there. He's now going viral again in a massive, massive story. That's Alex Berenson. He's an independent journalist. Unreported truth substack, so check them out there or on X. Alex Berenson. Alex, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to see you.
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A little emotional for me, honestly, because I, you know, the last time I was on, it was obviously with Charlie. And I'm really sorry, guys. I'm looking forward to seeing you both later this month, but I'm really sorry.
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Yeah, well, people should know that I reached out to Alex. He's Gonna Be at AM festival, which is coming up December 18th through the 21st in Phoenix, Arizona. It's gonna be a massive, massive event. And, Alex, you're gonna be sort of. We're gonna be debating on the merits or lack thereof, of marijuana. And Charlie loved talking to you about that. And so when we knew. When we knew we were gonna be doing a debate about marijuana, you were the first person I reached out to. And I was like, alex, you know, Charlie would want you there. And you're like, well, how do I say no to that?
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And Alex was such a prophet. He was shilling against marijuana at the peak. Oh, it's no big deal. Legalize it everywhere frenzy. And now opinions are turning back against it, and you really Helped pave the way for that. Alex.
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It's gonna be an interesting debate, but, yeah, I am glad to see that. And, I mean, it's funny with Charlie. You know, maybe it's because I was. You know, I was gonna text Andrew. You know, maybe it's because he didn't go to college. Like, his. His instincts were so good on so many things, and they were good on Covid, and they were good on the, you know, the MRNA's, and they're good on pot. Like, he. He just got it. And so, yeah, I'm. I'm happy to be there. And, yeah, as you know, I. I couldn't. I couldn't say no. I was. I was proud you guys invited me.
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Well, we're grateful to have you, and I'm looking forward to seeing you, Alex. And you've got this huge story out. It's a huge bombshell allegation, and you can fill us in on the details, but your substack. Urgent. A young child died of cardiac arrest after being jabbed during Moderna's key COVID vaccine trial. What's going on here, Alex?
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That's really interesting because. So, you know, I've been writing about the MRNA's for, like, five years, and. And that story is actually, believe it or not, I wrote it in January.
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Okay.
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And this is one of these things. Like, I wrote it, I thought it was super important. And, you know, the Biden administration was still in office, and, you know, they. They. They didn't care. Moderna declined to comment. And, you know, this tension a little bit then, but it mainly just sat there. But what happened is last Friday, the. The new FDA, the FDA under, you know, RFK Jr. And Trump, there's a guy named Vinay Prasad, who's the head. Really the head vaccine regulator, and he wrote a memo to his staff saying, we've reviewed a number of cases where vaccines were linked to deaths of people of children and teenagers age 7 to 16. He said, We've looked at 96 cases, and we found at least 10 where there's a real connection in the view of our reviewers. And we think there's a lot more than that, and there probably are a lot more, but we're being very conservative. We're saying there are these 10 deaths. And, you know, and so I. So I went back and I said, look, guys, you know, yes, there are a lot of deaths, but guess what? There was even a death of a child in Moderna's own trial. And they basically hid that for almost three years. They disclosed it in one place that I happen to know has like really comprehensive data, which is not the fda, it's actually the European drug regulator. And they put it up there basically knowing that nobody was ever going to look at it. And I, you know, because this is what I do, I spend my days reading databases, you know, that nobody is looking at. I found this. And so there was this debt and what's even worse, and they released sort of no specific information except saying that this was a preschool age child, a 2 to 5 year old age child who, who suffered cardiorespiratory arrest and died. All right, so they, you know, they, these vaccines were approved for children, you know, both from Pfizer and Moderna in, in late 2021 and 2022. And there was a big giant push, you know, with, with ad campaigns and every, you know, bit of legacy media and every public health person saying, go get your kids vaccinated. The data from these trials show that the vaccines did almost nothing to stop infections in kids. Okay, that's a B. Kids are at tiny risk of serious injury or death from COVID And three, when you actually look at the clinical trial data from the trials themselves, you see that the kids who got vaccinated, who got the shots, had many more side effects. They had high fevers, they had infections, they had pain. And in some cases, one weird thing is for some reason there seem to be diabetic complications sometimes from vaccines in kids. Meaning you can actually see cases of type 1 diabetes, which is basically supposed to be a genetic disease developing after vaccination in some kids from the MRNA's and all this stuff was out there. And the FDA, the Biden administration, they did nothing about it. But they. Places like the New England Journal of Medicine, they did nothing about this. It's so, it makes me so angry. No kids should have been vaccinated with this. And European countries by about, really by 2022, they were much stricter about what they were doing for kids and young adults. But the vaccine fanatics in this country wouldn't let this go. And they have done so much damage because, look, I am in favor, and you know, maybe some people who are watching this are not, but I'm basically in favor of stuff like the measles vaccine. I think that's an important vaccine. And yes, there may occasionally be side effects, but it's much lower. We know how that works. And, and, and I understand there may be some parents who don't want to get their kids vaccinated against measles. But, but, but what we've done is frighten parents about all vaccines, frighten parents into not getting their kids routinely vaccinated again for stuff that might be more dangerous with vaccines that work a lot better. And it's just disgusting to me.
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Yeah, well, it's interesting. So you were. I saw you responding to somebody on Twitter. This is a. Jonathan Laxton, M.D. said the death occurred in a child with chronic respiratory failure 144 days post dose and was reported with the first results March 2025. It's not a vaccine death. I won't request an apology. And you said, nope, that's not the case. Could you reply to this guy?
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Absolutely. So. So this death happened in, like, 2020, late 2022, 2023. And what you need to know is that the only people of the real information about what happened are inside the company. Okay. And maybe quote, unquote, independent investigator. But the way it works is the company takes the first pass and they say, you know what? We think that this child might have been sick before. And so we don't think the vaccine caused this. Guess what? That stuff that that guy's talking about, that's at birth, okay? That's four years before this child was healthy. And how do I know the child is healthy? Because the title of the trial is a vaccine trial in Healthy children. They didn't want sick kids in this because they didn't want kids to get, you know, vaccine injuries. And so. And, you know, they wanted sort of the healthiest popular pop. The healthy. I'm sorry, the healthiest possible population. And that's what they got.
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And.
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And so then what happens is when people get injured by the vaccine or by any drug in a clinical trial, the company running the trial is going to go out of its way to try to find other excuses for this. And by the way, this is not just a problem with Moderna. This is not just a problem with vaccines. This is a problem with the drug industry in the US and so that's what happened in this case. Do I know that the vaccine caused this child's injury? I do not. Does this guy know the vaccine didn't cause his child's injury? No, he does not. Neither of us know because the company isn't really disclosing enough information for somebody outside to know. And so that's. I mean, that's one of the many problems, and that's one of the many reasons people in the United States are so suspicious of vaccines and of big Pharma, and they should be. They're not getting the Full story here.
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Well, and you make the point, Alex, that if these companies are good at one thing, it's about designing trials that give them the result that they want. And, and so the fact that this went so poorly, and you mentioned, yeah, a kid probably died from it, that's what your findings seem to suggest. But there was tons of other side effects and abnormalities that were also detected. This Christmas give the gift of food security with an amazing deal from our friends at My Patriot Supply. It's called the Buy one Gift two Christmas special. And you guys have got to check it out all month long. When you buy an emergency food kit, you'll get two more food kits free to give as gifts. That's right. Get a four week emergency food supply for yourself, and they'll throw in two one week food kits absolutely free. The one week kits make perfect gifts for anyone on your list who's into preparedness or anyone who needs a little nudge in that direction. These days. It just makes sense to have some food stored away for emergencies. And with this Buy one gift two Christmas deal, you're not only getting yourself prepared, you're also getting unique and meaningful Christmas gifts for your friends and family. And they're free.
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Alex, so you are basically alleging here that there were so many issues with this trial, especially with kids. Where would you say that this should not have been approved by the fda, regardless of whether or not this child died tragically? Do you think there's still a case that this should not have been approved, regardless of that fact?
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Well, I mean, the girl did die. I mean, whether or not the vaccine killed her, we don't know. We do know the vaccine caused lots of other side effects in children. Okay. And we know that the vaccine didn't work very well in children. And we know that children were at very low risk, I mean, essentially no risk if they were at all healthy, from, you know, death or serious injury from COVID I mean, it did happen occasionally, but it was very rare. So on balance, the FDA shouldn't have approved these for kids. And I don't know if you recall, but in 2021, there was a move in certain blue states to even try to force mandate these vaccines for kids going to public school. Fortunately, it didn't go anywhere. Governor Newsom tried to make that happen. There were other governors who tried to make that happen. And I think fortunately they realized that the parental pushback would be so severe, even in blue states, that they didn't do it. But the fact that they even considered it tells you how in the tank they were for the vaccine companies and how sort of how they lost their minds about the risks and benefits of this vaccine. No, this vaccine should not have been approved for. For children. The MRNA's should not have been approved for children. Again, European countries didn't go this route. And I think the FDA under Bobby Kennedy, under the new FDA commissioner, Marty Mackere, and under Vinay Prasad, who actually runs the vaccine division, I hope those guys are going to push to essentially pull approval on some level. It doesn't matter at this point because parents have seen this for themselves and they've profoundly rejected the MRNA vaccines for kids. Something like 3% of kids got boosters last year, and this year it's going to be fewer. So people know, they know that they got their kids vaccinated for this. You know, unfortunately, a lot of them were foolish enough to do that, or you know, foolish is the wrong word. They were sort of suckered into doing it in 2022. And they saw their kids had, you know, many cases, bad fever, severe side effects. And then guess what, the kids who weren't vaccinated and got Covid had like a day of a cold. So they know it was a really bad bet. And, and I think we're in a place where, you know, we're going forward, there's going to be a lot more skepticism. One question people have said to me is, is there going to be accountability here? Is somebody going to actually crack the hammer on Moderna or on Pfizer? And I don't know the answer to that. It sort of depends on what the companies actually hid, what their behavior was. They have very strong legal protections. But you know, if their conduct was really bad, there might be a way to pierce those. But I don't wanna promise that. Cause it's pretty unlikely.
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Yeah, I mean that was gonna be my next question is what does accountability look like? Can these families sue? Can. You know, I know we have the vaccine immunity with these vaccine makers. And so the question is then, what are the lessons learned and what can the new regime at the FDA do to protect parents and kids?
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Regime is going to be a lot more skeptical about vaccines. That is the key. More skeptical in general about drug companies going forward, as they should be. But they're going to be very skeptical about vaccines. You know, the word vaccine to people on the left and in the public health community, it's almost like this religious word to them. It's like if you, you have to bow to the great God vaccine and you can't raise questions and you can't say, hey, maybe, maybe a vaccine that makes sense for a 75 year old doesn't make sense for a 2 year old. And maybe, you know, if your child is at zero risk from hepatitis B, forcing them to get a hepatitis B shot when they're at birth doesn't make a lot of sense. So there's been this again, this love, this strange fixation in the public health community with being unwilling to question vaccines. And it's very clear that, that Vinay and, and Marty and RFK are going to be more skeptical. And you know, are they, are they going to do everything the way I would do it? Not necessarily, but they're going to follow the science. I think they're going to try to make good decisions and I hope that's going to lead to a smarter vaccine schedule. And ideally, what it will lead to is more parental confidence, not less. But getting these MRNA Covid shots off the market for kids is the first step in that.
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Yeah, well said. I actually agree with you that it's going to lead to more parental trust. If we're willing to say no to certain vaccines and yes to others, I think it's going to inspire a lot more trust with parents out there. Alex, we got to wrap up here. Tell us where, where people can follow you.
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Read this story on Unreported Truth. It's my substack. It's free. You can sign up, you know, and, and, and I also, I'm on X. I'm pretty prolific there. But guys, it's really great to talk to you. And you too. And again, I don't want to be emotional, but it feels good to be on with you guys.
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Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for having me on, brother.
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Yeah, well, listen, I had to have you back on because you are in the know on this one. You're part of the committee here, Senate Armed Services Committee that now Senator Wicker newsbroke that he and the senator from Delaware. Right.
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Rhode Island White House, Jack Greene.
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Yeah. Jack Green. That's the one. Thank you. They have launched what they're calling and framing is a bipartisan inquiry into the strike on the narco terrorist boat that has caused all the kerfuffle, which the New York Times now has rebutted. The Washington Post original reporting that Secretary Hegseth somehow called for the second strike. That's not what happened. I needed to bring you on to help make sense of this. How did we get to this point where it were playing footsie with the Democrats to investigate Trump's cabinet?
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Well, what happened is it wasn't an inquiry, it was actually an oversight. So what Senator Wicker, I actually had a conversation with him today and said, so what are we doing here? I mean, are we playing games? Do we think that Jack Reed is going to move into a bipartisan manner? Because he has not been bipartisan at all. I hate to say it because I'm not trying to give the guy any credit at all because he is on my, I'm using a Christmas term here. He's my naughty list. That'd be Mark Kelly. He and Mark Kelly has been more bipartisan on the Senate Armed Services Committee than, than Jack Reed has. And what Wicker said is, no, this has got blown out of proportion. This was simply an oversight. Like today we had an oversight on a lot of accidents, an oversight hearing, a lot of accidents that's been happening on aircraft carriers on certain plans, platforms. And, and he says that's all this is intended. This isn't to drag Secretary Hex Seth up here. It's not to, we've already been briefed on the operation. This is just to make sure that, that we are, that Congress is basically still informed. Now, those were his words. This thing could morph Andrew into anything. I think it's a very slippery slope. And when we start down this road, if we start bringing in individuals because we know that they are well within their authority, day meaning the Secretary of War and, and President Trump as well, within their authority to prevent terrorist activities coming to our shores. And by hitting them in international water or hitting them in US Water, whatever takes place, they're within their authority to do that because they have been deemed a terrorist organization. And thank God someone's finally being proactive and killed them. By the way, a recent poll just came out that was by a, I would say a bipartisan, if not left leaning poster company that said that 71% of America actually supports President Trump hitting these narco boats in international water.
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I want to, you know, I just want to flag this because this is an email we got from one of our listeners at Freemouth, Charlie Kirk, and send us more. How do you feel about this? And he just said he contacted Congressman Mike Turner's office because Mike Turner was questioning this, saying it could be on the House. Right on the House side. And he's saying, I don't know a single Republican who doesn't fully support Hegseth and the Pentagon on this. He says Republican voters are furious if that Republican leadership would work with Democrats to hamstring or damage Hegseth over this. So I think we need some perspective here. Our base definitely likes blowing up drug smugglers.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Well, it's the bad guys, right? I mean, it's simple. Go out to the bad guys. Why would we allow them to get on our shores and distribute their park product when if you look at the numbers in 2024, we lost more Americans on our streets and, and then we to drug overdoses than we did in the entire Vietnam War. So this is, this is a, not just a pandemic, this is a war that we're having. That's these narcot, the, these narco boats and, and terrorist organizations, they don't care about the lives of the, of, of our brothers and sisters and loved ones and friends. So why the heck are we, are we playing this game? Does the Democrats think that these aren't drug boats? Do they think these aren't drug dealers? Do they, do they think these drugs aren't coming to our shores? Do they think that the cartels aren't terrorist organizations? Or is it just the anti Trump syndrome and the deranged Trump syndrome that is, that's taking over the fact that anything President Trump does, they're gonna object to? And what we gotta be careful is some Republicans that we don't join their rhetoric.
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And I just, I wanna remind people what did so much damage to the first Trump administration. It was the Russiagate hoax. They come out with this, they make it sound extremely serious and super, super duper real. And we had a trifecta just like this time where we had Republican Senate, Republican House, and they allowed themselves to be dragged into this morass of investigation. Oh, we have to look at it, we have to make sure everything is fair. And that blew out the entire two year period. We had that trifecta for basically nothing. It was essentially we self sabotaged ourselves. And Democrats would love nothing more than to let us sabotage ourselves again on important policies on the border, on migration, on internal security.
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I just wanna. This is a direct note to Senator Wicker and Congressman Turner. You are playing with fire here by playing footsie with the Democrats on this stuff. I hope that this is simply you guys checking a box and moving on and there's nothing to see here. But if this turns into what Blake just described as Trump 1.0 all over again, same playbook, your base is going to be livid. There will be political consequences for both of these gentlemen. And I just wanna. These are the people that they're playing footsie with here, Senator. And I know you have to be collegial. This is, you know, the Senate. You guys are a big fraternity over there. And I actually respect that. I respect that.
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I've never born a fraternity brother.
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No, I just respect that you gotta do it a different way. I can be a little bit more forceful, but, you know, these are the people you're playing footsie with here. 199. This is U.S. senator Chris Murphy talking, talking about Pete Hegseth.
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Pete Hegseth needs to resign. And if he doesn't resign, Donald Trump needs to fire him. He is a walking, talking national security embarrassment. He seems more interested in winning video pull up contests than he does in protecting this nation. He's obsessed with the weight of his soldiers, the facial hair of his soldiers, not concerned with actually keeping the country safe.
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But wait, there's more. Here's Senator Mark Kelly and I want to get into this because this feels like a coordinated op. First they give this, this, these, these six lawmakers come out with this video ceding the ground. It comes out of nowhere. And then you get this WaPo story alleging a war crime against Secretary Hegseth and oh, that just was a convenient timed story from Washington Post, even though the New York Times now rebutted it. It all Feels way too convenient. And Mark Kelly's just going out on the media circuit here. Senator keeps hitting the story again and again and again. Here he is 200.
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He's putting out on the Internet turtles with rocket propelled grenades kill. I mean, have you seen this? This is the Secretary of Defense. This is not a serious person. He should have been fired after signal gate.
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All I'm going to remind everyone is we had Disney cartoons in World War II where Donald Duck fights Hitler.
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Well, there you go. So it's fun.
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Yeah. And we also had Disney cartoons in the Korean War. We also had them in Vietnam War, by the way. We also had them in Desert Storm. It's just stupid. It's just, you know, you got Murphy and you got Kelly that are jockeying for leadership inside the Democrat Party because there is no leadership. Hakeem Jeffrey is a joke. You got obviously Chuck Schumer who know is a joke. And so people are just moving around and it's, and it's ridiculous. But we do, Andrew, we do have to be very careful on the way we move forward with this, which is why I wanted to talk to Senator Wicker this morning. And, and by the way, the White House is being very, very, very transparent. They've already briefed the, the committee on the, the ongoing narco boats that were blowing up. Plus they now offer to bring in legal papers to which I think I'm getting a brief on in about an hour from now that the White House is literally walking over the papers. Well, they're probably driving it and getting out. Walking. They're, they're delivering it in a SEAL bag. I've got to go down into it to a skiff and they're going to read me in on, on, on everything that took place. And 27 members of Congress have already got read in, 27 senators, and I forget how many, how many members in the House have got right into it. So it's not like the White House isn't being transparent here. They are being extremely transparent. And I can tell you what I've been briefed on, on this specific strike that they're, that the Democrats are losing their beloved mind on plus on the ongoing operations there. We are well within our authority. In fact, the American people and the Democrats should be proud because it's not just the narco boats that they're taking out. They got a coordinated effort going on with dhs, with Secretary Christy Nome that are disrupting their, their, their, their drug rings and routes and distribution lines and money laundering inside the United States. So People want to look at just what ICE is doing. But while they're in these cities, these are heavily drug trafficked areas too. They're disrupting all of their, their infrastructure. So you have President Trump that has finally taken a full press approach to drugs, which the last president do that by the way, Reagan, but Ron Reagan really focused more on the, you know, in Colombia, Central and South America, President Trump is going to the countries, going to the cartels or designate them as a terrorist organization, using our military and international waters, using, you know, our coast guard and US waters and then using law enforcement and disrupting them on both ends of the chain from the distribution side to the delivery side and then to where the finances come from. I mean it's, it, this should be, every American should be saying good on you. Because there's not one of us, not one of your people listening to the show, none of the people that are, that are helping produce the show or you guys that doesn't know somebody that's been affected by this pandemic of drugs in our, in our country right now.
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Well, I, you're absolutely right. I mean we all probably have personal anecdotes that we could relate. And I just want to leave us with this final thought that they sow doubt in the military saying you can disobey direct orders and then they have this follow up story suggesting war crimes at the highest level to say, look, see we told you, you need to start disobeying the commander in chief. It's very, very serious, Senator. So I just wanna make sure that we're all seeing it for what it is. This is a coordinated operation. To Eric Schmidt, one of your colleagues is saying color revolution. This has a lot of the hallmarks of that. So thank you for join forward to hearing more on what you hear and what they brief you with. Senator, thank you again.
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Thanks guys. Thanks for having me on.
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C
We'll see you soon.
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Blake let's get some emails here.
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Yeah, we got quite a few. We had an interesting one from someone who asked their name be withheld, but they said that their younger brother got they believe type 1 diabetes after getting the chickenpox vaccine when he was 7. And they say in their church of about 400 people, 7 to 12 kids in the same age range all have type 1 diabetes and they believe it could be related to that. I don't know of any alleged connection between those because I do suspect and suggested some. Maybe it's possible. But again, there are a lot of illnesses that just manifest when you're a young child and then you also happen to get vaccinated when you're a young child.
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But interesting though, it is genetic apparently. Scott says it's called sowing dissent in regards to General Kelly. It's not General Kelly, it's Captain Kelly. Senator Kelly, no ranking here. I agree. Sowing dissent, that's exactly what they're doing it on purpose to so distrust dissent in the ranks. And then they come out with a story that says hey look, we told you that there could be illegal orders. This double tap kill.
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Kyrie says, I believe the strikes against drug boats fall under the category of self defense. I mourn the death of any human being, but they are entering at their own risk and their blood is on their own heads. I support Secretary Hegseth.
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I don't.
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I didn't see anyone who was really skeptical of vaporizing bad beers.
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People are people like it. This is a positive policy. This is a very popular policy. Kevin says most Republicans are too concerned with being liked by people that will never give them that satisfaction. Praise God. Senator Mark Moyn Mullen is not in that boat.
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He also said he sent two emails and he also said it's time to end the filibuster because he says Murkowski and Collins are Working to get rid of Hegseth, he believes now that does show the flip side, which is it's possible he's correct on those two, but if there's even one or two more, that's the hazard with the filibuster is do you have the majority to pass the things that you need to do?
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You gotta remember, you've got McConnell still there. He's not gone.
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And who knows who secretly is not maybe secretly doesn't love the agenda on immigration.
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You got wicker who's even launching Oversight.
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Nothing. Nothing would be worse than blowing up the filibuster and achieving nothing with it. And then Democrats have absolute more. They feel they have absolute morally way to pass everything they want. If you want to get rid of the filibuster, make sure you have a plan and that you have the votes to enact that plan. And it's good.
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C
You know what that makes me think of is like Hovdi, some of those, like, real tight Senate races that we just didn't quite get over the finish line. One or two more votes would have made this much more of a viable plan.
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E
Exactly, exactly.
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C
Yeah. Or to have like a Nate. Nate Morris in Kentucky as opposed to, you know, McConnell. So some of those things, maybe reinforcements are coming down the pike, but we don't have them right now.
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E
We don't have the numbers game of interest. I remember throughout the 2020 10s, you know, you had these winnable races that you lost for one reason or another. In Delaware.
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C
We.
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E
We could have flipped a Delaware Senate seat.
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C
I don't remember.
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E
It was. It was Mike Castle and he was the representative who was really popular and he lost in the primary to Christine o' Donnell, who was. Let's just be frank. She was out of what was winnable in Delaware. And so we just lost a race that we could have had an upset. We could have had a kind of Susan Collins type person where. Yeah, are they a moderate?
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B
Sure.
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E
But you want a moderate Republican over a Democrat in a deep blue state. And there were several races like that. And it's that game of inches, which is why if you are in Tennessee, if you live in Nashville or west of Nashville, look up, make sure. If you are supposed to vote, vote.
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B
Go vote, go vote.
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E
I don't care if we're favored to win. Blow them out.
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C
No.
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E
Narratives matter too.
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C
Yeah, we have to win that seat. It is a very winnable seat, but we got to show up for it and win it. Win it, win it. And vote, vote, vote. Fight, fight, fight, win it. For Charlie. Come on, Tennessee 7.
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D
For more on many of these stories.
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E
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