The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show: Episode Summary Title: The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling
Release Date: April 1, 2025

In this engaging episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk moderates a series of intense and thought-provoking discussions with students from the University of South Florida (USF). Covering a range of topics from social welfare and the death penalty to the complex Israel-Hamas conflict and the role of American Sign Language (ASL) interpreters, Kirk provides his uniquely conservative perspective while fostering open dialogue among his guests.

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1. Foster Care and Social Welfare

The segment begins with a challenging discussion on the intersection of pro-life stances and social welfare policies. Audience member Cameron raises concerns about Kirk’s position on cutting social welfare programs, including foster care, juxtaposed with his pro-life advocacy.

Cameron (01:15):
"On the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you are in favor of cutting social welfare programs and that would include foster care because those people are dependent on it... after the kids are born you're advocating for less social protections for them."

Kirk responds by clarifying his stance, emphasizing the need to overhaul the flawed foster care system rather than eliminating it outright. He acknowledges the critical role foster care plays for children yet criticizes the current implementation as "incredibly broken" and "cruel and unusual."

Charlie Kirk (02:18):
"The foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel and unusual portions of our government. So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form."

The conversation highlights Kirk’s belief in reforming rather than dismantling social support systems, advocating for solutions that address systemic failures while maintaining support for vulnerable populations.

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2. The Death Penalty and Justice

A heated exchange follows, focusing on the morality and application of the death penalty within a limited government framework. Kirk debates with a student who questions the consistency of advocating for a small government while supporting state-sanctioned death.

Student (03:28):
"I also think that foster care gets left behind in the whole argument because you're advocating for traditional Family values. And that doesn't really include adopting a kid."

Kirk defends his position by arguing that the government should have the authority to impose just punishments for severe crimes, emphasizing a balance between limited governance and maintaining societal order.

Charlie Kirk (05:15):
"We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice. Those on the left will argue for social justice. Is that a fair categorization?"

The dialogue delves into the philosophical underpinnings of justice, with Kirk advocating for an objective standard in punitive measures, contrasting with what he perceives as the left’s approach to social justice which he claims favoritizes certain groups.

Student (04:30):
"Because you're taking more lives. And I'm against the death penalty because again, you're taking another life. It's like you're being hypocritical."

Kirk challenges the student’s viewpoint by questioning the moral standards used to justify the death penalty, asserting that just punishment is essential for maintaining justice and societal stability.

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3. Israel vs. Hamas: A Complex Conflict

One of the episode's most intense discussions centers on the long-standing Israel-Hamas conflict. A student questions Kirk’s views on AIPAC’s influence, Israel’s role in the Middle East, and accusations of genocide against both sides.

Student (08:41):
"How would you curb or resolve the issue? Not just AIPAC, we have our own domestic issues but they're coming in and earning $28 billion for their donation of 43 and a half to the US Congress."

Kirk staunchly defends Israel's right to exist and critiques Hamas's actions, describing their tactics as genocidal. He underscores Israel’s strategic importance in the Middle East and condemns the use of civilians as human shields.

Charlie Kirk (10:09):
"I just want to make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. So Hamas is guilty of genocide." (11:00)

The debate intensifies as Kirk presents historical contexts, questioning the motives and actions of Hamas while defending Israel's defensive measures. He emphasizes the moral imperative to condemn and resist terrorism, arguing that Israel acts within its rights to protect its citizens.

Charlie Kirk (17:30):
"If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen?"

The conversation delves deep into ethical considerations, human rights, and geopolitical strategies, highlighting Kirk’s unwavering support for Israel while critically examining Hamas’s role in perpetuating violence and instability.

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4. ASL Interpreters and Accessibility in Emergency Broadcasts

Another significant discussion involves Kyle Voling, a senior at USF's ASL Interpreting Program, who challenges Kirk’s opinion that ASL interpreters are distracting and unnecessary during emergency broadcasts.

Kyle Voling (23:01):
"A lot of people who are unaware of what American Sign Language is thinks it's word for word exact English. In most cases it's not. So it's a completely different form of a language..."

Kirk contends that closed captions should suffice, arguing that ASL interpreters add unnecessary clutter to broadcasts.

Charlie Kirk (24:05):
"I think you can go back to how things were under Katrina or you just. Just read closed captions. Why is that?"

Voling explains the linguistic and cultural importance of ASL, emphasizing that it serves a different purpose than closed captions and is essential for the deaf community to fully understand and access information.

Kyle Voling (25:06):
"ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background... ASL has only, like, truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them."

The exchange highlights a fundamental disagreement on accessibility measures, with Kirk advocating for efficiency and minimalism, while Voling underscores the necessity of tailored communication methods for inclusivity.

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5. Maintaining Calm in Heated Debates

Addressing personal conduct during debates, Kirk is questioned about how he remains composed when discussions become heated or confrontational.

Student (29:30):
"How do you remain so calm when someone who is dissenting or even the crowd gets obviously heated?"

Kirk attributes his calm demeanor to his Christian faith and the "fruit of the spirit," which encompasses qualities like love, peace, patience, and self-control.

Charlie Kirk (29:30):
"I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis. And that is a fruit of the spirit."

This segment reveals Kirk’s reliance on personal faith and spiritual principles to navigate and de-escalate tense interactions, promoting a message of peace and understanding even amidst disagreement.

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6. Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

As the episode progresses, Kirk addresses additional questions from students, reiterating his support for Israel and expressing his desire for a peaceful resolution to conflicts. He emphasizes the importance of objective standards in justice and the necessity of defending national and moral values.

Charlie Kirk (30:52):
"This is the last time on Israel. Okay. And just if you. I know people are fired up. Not, I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel Hour."

He concludes by inviting continued dialogue and engagement from his audience, reinforcing his commitment to fostering open and respectful conversations on contentious issues.

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Throughout the episode, Charlie Kirk maintains his signature no-holds-barred approach, engaging directly with challenging questions while advocating for conservative principles. The discussions offer listeners a comprehensive look into complex societal and geopolitical issues, underpinned by Kirk’s unwavering support for traditional values and national interests.

Notable Quotes:

• Charlie Kirk (02:18):
  "The foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel and unusual portions of our government. So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form."

• Student (04:30):
  "Because you're taking more lives. And I'm against the death penalty because again, you're taking another life. It's like you're being hypocritical."

• Charlie Kirk (05:15):
  "We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice. Those on the left will argue for social justice. Is that a fair categorization?"

• Charlie Kirk (10:09):
  "I just want to make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. So Hamas is guilty of genocide."

• Kyle Voling (23:01):
  "ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background... ASL has only, like, truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them."

• Charlie Kirk (29:30):
  "I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis. And that is a fruit of the spirit."

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This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show exemplifies Kirk’s dedication to addressing significant and often polarizing topics with candor and conviction, providing his audience with insightful perspectives rooted in conservative ideology.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Unknown Speaker 1]

Here we go, Charlie.

[Cameron]

What you've done is incredible here.

[Kyle Voling]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Unknown Speaker 2]

Hi Charlie, my name is Cameron. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some contradictions that I heard in your arguments. So on the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you are in favor of cutting social welfare programs and that would include foster care because those people are dependent on it. So I don't understand how you could be pro life. I don't like the terminology of that. But you're pro life, but then after the kids are born you're advocating for less social protections for them.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I don't remember.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Did I say I wanted to cut social welfare programs? Well, I don't. When did I say that?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

When you said that people have an over dependence on.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. On social work. Yeah, of course, yeah. But foster care is a unique thing because these are kids that are not yet of the agenic age to be able to produce or get work. So obviously there's a role for foster care system, but it's incredibly broken. Let's be honest, the foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel and unusual portions of our government. So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

And I also think that foster care gets left behind in the whole argument because you're advocating for traditional Family values. And that doesn't really include adopting a kid. It includes having your own nuclear family.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, it does. Why would you say that?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Because so many foster kids are left behind. That, that was just the point.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, hold on. They're. Them being left behind is a separate issue than adoption. Right, so. Correct. Because it's. That's about child abandonment, not about people that want to adopt kids. So let me just give you the numbers. There are about a million abortions every year. There are about 3 million people on the adoption waiting list. So we can't adopt these kids fast enough out of the foster care system, right?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So why is it we can't adopt them?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I'm not sure the answer to that question. You might say because we have a lack of families to adopt them.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Actually, no, we have a plenty. It's just bureaucratic red tape really. It's incredibly hard to adopt a kid in America. Incredibly hard. And this needlessly hard.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The second contradiction was about how you advocate for a limited government but think that the government should have the jurisdiction to kill someone.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, well, I believe in a small but strong government. And for the record, I believe that someone who took a life should have.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Their life taken under every circumstance.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Under most, yeah. I think if you take a life, your life should be taken.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Okay, that was all I had.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

But let me ask you a question. What do you think would be a just punishment for a murder of an 8 year old?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I would say lock them up and make them pay for their mistakes in real time. But I understand that costs talk, taxpayer money and everything, but I just am against the death penalty.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so is there any circumstance where you think the death penalty is okay?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes, I think that school shooters and mass murderers and crimes against humanity like you said, but not eye for an eye. Nonsense.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so, but let me, let me understand. Why is it that if you kill 10 people, such a morally different thing than killing one person?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Because you're taking more lives. And I'm against the death penalty because again, you're taking another life. It's like you're being hypocritical.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hold on. You're against it in some circumstances. You said school shooters. So there is a threshold where you're okay with it. I want to know by what moral standard you're. You say it's okay, not okay. And where do you get that from?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That has been studied and tried and I'm just, I just want to know.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Why you believe it though, because I'm not trying to play on the spot. Be nice guys Seriously.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Thanks. Thanks. Because I think that there's definitely degrees of evilness and I just believe in an eye for an eye, like a direct proportion kill, killing because they killed someone.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

But that's. I just. I know that sounds good, but isn't that what justice should be? Justice is the administration of what is due. You should get what you have done, received in return, not more, not less.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I think an institution should never be able to make decisions that influence life or death. Things like the government is not a person with feelings or morals. It's an institution comprised of people that can be corrupt. So depending on what the law is and everything, then the justice would mirror what the government's saying.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I'm going to be gentle because I can see you're a nice person. Okay. However, let me just kind of tell you why I think you're wrong. Is that okay?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes, absolutely.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so everything the government does is a statement of some morality, right? Everything. If you lock up somebody in prison, that is taking away their freedom or liberty. So you have to make. At some point, you have to say, I am appealing to some objective standard as to why I think the government should do what it does. And we have an answer to that question. Right. I just want to know by what standard you think the government should be able to do that it does or does not do, because the government does take life. And the government should be able to take life very sparingly and rarely through a jury of your peers. And you're proven, you know, proven guilty and all sorts of these different elements. And you believe that even with mass shooters. So there is a degree to which you think that justice is due. So the question is, this is a very important point that you stumbled into. We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice. Those on the left will argue for social justice. Is that a fair categorization?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Social justice is saying, no, you should not be given what you are due. You should be given more or extra based on some sort of group criteria, some sort of background, some sort of suffering. We as conservatives believe in the ideal that you shall not favor the administrative justice just because of your skin color, background, wealth, so on and so forth. Does that make sense, at least the differences of opinions?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes. Okay, thanks.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Have a hat.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yes, you can, of course. Thank you. Yes, you're very sweet.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Thank you so much. Nice meeting you.

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[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yes sir.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Hey, good afternoon. Hey, good afternoon. How are you? I just wanted to get your opinion on the funding of AIPAC and the alleged buying out of the US Congress. Especially with everything going on overseas and the highly criticized and debated like two party state between Israel and the Palestinian people.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

My opinion of aipac, are you.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

How would you curb or resolve the issue? Not just aipac, we have our own domestic issues but they're coming in and earning $28 billion for their donation of 43 and a half to the US Congress. So our foreign, like our proxies and our donations to Ukraine and the state of Israel.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So how would, how would I curb that? Yeah, I mean. Well look, understand AIPAC is constituted of Americans that are advocating for a foreign policy thing they care about. And it's a very dangerous road to be on. There are groups of Armenians that advocate for the recognition of the Armenian genocide. There are groups of American Indians that recognize for better relations with India. And it just so happens there are a lot of American Jews that argue for a very strong relationship with Israel. So can I better understand the question?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So how do you feel about America using Israel as a proxy and like the Apollo affair and Levant affair and the Gulf wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, there's a lot there. So how do I think of Israel as an ally? Is that what you're asking?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

As America using it as a proxy to keep a chokehold on the Middle East.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, I kind of reject the premise of that. I mean, I'm very pro Israel. I don't think they're perfect. I think they do a lot that I wouldn't do and that I don't support, but I don't know, I would, I would better argue that America, that Israel is a complicated ally of the United States, but very necessary in the Middle East.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes. And why so?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

For many reasons. For military technology sharing, for data sharing, for. Also they're a free society in an island of totalitarianism.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yeah. So a Western power based on imperialism and imperialistic tendencies.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Not necessarily. No. I mean, they're their own sovereign country with their own elections. Their own country.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Do you think Israel has a right to exist?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I do. And I believe in a two party solution, but I don't believe in two state solution. I'm sorry, two state solution. But I don't believe in the genocide and displacement of 1.7 million Palestinian people. Because if you advocate for life, you advocate for all.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So let's make sure we get our terms right. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but what is a genocide?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Mass killing of people. Okay, mass targeted. Targeted mass killing of people.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Is that what Israel is doing?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes, most definitely.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

How?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So you're telling me.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hold on, let's get back. Is. Did Hamas then commit a genocide on October 7th?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, let me, let me get there.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yes, based on your. Okay, so both sides are committing genocide since 48.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

We have the partition plan of 1947. We have the transfer agreement in 1933. There's so much that built up to it. The Warsaw ghetto.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so it's justified to go into nurseries and slit babies, throats.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, they didn't do that.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Oh no, no, they did. Okay, okay, hold on, time out.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

If you want to go to crimes, then I can pull up a list.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Where's the evidence? I could show you GoPro footage. Hold on a second. GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros, slitting little babies throats, going into rock concerts and indiscriminately raping women, kidnapping them and bringing them back to Gaza. If you'd like to watch that footage, you can. But you said. So I need a clear answer. Just make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. So Hamas is guilty of genocide.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yeah, but correlating. Okay, do you believe in. This is off topic, but no.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I'm glad I'M glad you said yes.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, the Bill of Rights. Look. So therefore third and fourth Amendment. Do you believe in them?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yes. The right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered and the right to privacy. We can keep going. The right to fit.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Israel has self incrimination, violating those for nearly the course of 100 years. How would you feel if you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest Guessed when they were oppressed.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, hold on a sec. So first of all, the second amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States. So not sure where you're going with that, but I want to make sure I'm. Let me just have you answer this final question. If a foreign power commits genocide against you as you admit Hamas did, how should Israel respond By.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay, no, but so, so, so look, I'm.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

How should Israel respond? Genocide.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

They're allowed to defend themselves most definitely. But not to the extent they have done is killing 65,000 people. 1200 and bombing civilian areas. 70% of their casualties are women and children and the average age of a child and Gaza 18 years old.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So first of all, where are we.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Drawing the line and the shade of gray between black and white? Who's right, who's wrong? We don't know who started it. Israel most definitely.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hold on.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

The Arab Israeli war.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hold on a second time on October 6, the day before, was there an act of war?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes. Prior. Why do you think there's a group of resistance living there when resistance.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, no, I, I can. So. So I just want make sure I understand the argument that this has been a bubbling up conflict since the 1950s.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

It has been boiled prior to the.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Let me ask you. Let me answer your question. Israel got out of Gaza in the early 2000s.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Gave it to Hamas.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

But if they're still ruling over why.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Why were they not able to create nice place in Gaza?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Because Israel is holding their materials in their right. It is.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So do you see a through line here, guys? And it's important though, it's always somebody else's.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Don't speak over me, please.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, it actually is my deal, but that's fine. So it is always somebody else's fault. Right?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So I'm saying there's wrong on both sides. Most definitely. But more on the side of Israel. It's. It's unsanctioned and unreason to go and kill that many people for no reason.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

What number would be satisfactory to kill after they go and kill 1200 people? Give me the equation. I want to make sure you believe.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

In an eye for an eye, right?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Generally. But I will. I just want to know the equation, though.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

So this is politics. They can negotiate. We can release prisoners. We can.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Which they are.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay, yeah. As going.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And you admit Hamas uses civilians as human shields?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Absolutely not. I believe Israel does. And I have video footage of it.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I. It's difficult to debate if you're just on a completely different fact pattern. So let me just.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I will give you readings. I see videos every day. I have family there. I see them get torn and ripped to shreds by Israeli missiles and them killing kids and animals in the street and fun and laughing.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And they post none of the. None of those missiles. They document, Regardless, prior to October 7th.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Soldier, a soldier, me versus you. If you're walking in the street with your family and I shoot you and post it on TikTok and laugh, is that not a war crime?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That's what Hamas did.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, that's what Israel is doing.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I will not defend everything that every soldier has done.

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[Unknown Speaker 1]

If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I. At this point in time, I don't believe they would come to a two state solution after everything that's gone on.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That wasn't the question prior to if Israel disbanded its military, what would happen?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

The Palestinians would take over, but they would. Listen, listen, listen not forcefully. This is how they operate. This is how Muslims operate Islamically. They let them live under them in Jizya. They tax them and they let them live and they take that tax and give it back to them. Them. How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked in less than 600 years? How do you think the golden age of Islam lasted and lasted for 300 years? Because this is history.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

So. No, I just want to make sure I understand. So they would just take over? Mostly peacefully?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, most definitely peacefully, because that's what.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Can you show me an example of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Most definitely. Where when the Hamas had Israeli captives.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Have you seen the Israeli captives they killed?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

They're not killed.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

There was a nine month old baby that just got returned home in a. As a corpse. By Hamas. No, but I, I am interested by what you're saying. So it's very. Again, this, this is why it's important on this topic to stay on the moral domain. Because all of your numbers are wrong. 65,000 kids have not died.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

And I say 65,000 kids. I said 65,000 Palestinians and 1.7 million have been displaced, creating one of the largest refugees.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

None of that is correct. And that's okay. It's fraction. I don't believe any of the numbers. However, the point is this. If Israel laid down its weapons. Yes, they'd be eliminated.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No, they would not.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

You just admitted they would take over Israel. If Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Most definitely not. Because the Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing. They have their right to resistance. They have a ceasefire currently, but prior to that, when anyone else in the world.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

The emotions of this topic are very high. Obviously my allegiance is first and foremost to America. I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint though, which is why is it help me understand there are well over 40 Muslim majority countries in the world. Over a billion Muslims. Israel is the size of New Jersey and it has half the world's Jewry, about 7 million people. Why can't you just let Israel exist and leave it alone? Why? Why the focus? Why the intensity? Why the anger?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

There's no anger. There's no anger, not from me. I'm talking about maybe other people. I don't hate anyone. I'm not displeased with anyone. But I don't believe in the unnecessary killing of people. That's not how we were raised.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I agree.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

That's an American value and a conservative value.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I agree. That's why I think October 7th was the beginning of the unraveling of a lot of decency and conflict.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

But what do you think about all that spilling over prior to the same with the American Revolution?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I reject the premise.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

You reject the premise?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I reject the. To say that they had no choice but to go and kill a bunch of babies. Let me, Let me actually challenge the point. If you were correct, yes. And Hamas was trying to resist, why didn't they go attack military targets and instead they attacked civilian targets? That's what terrorists do, right? So if it was really like, hey, they wanted to resist, they should have went after IDF outposts and picked a fight with somebody their own size. They went after little kids in nurseries in Kabutzes. And I, I think you have a moral right. Hold on. You're very well read on this topic. You have family there. I think you have a moral obligation to watch the GoPro videos. They're public.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I've w. I've seen. I will show you footage coming out of Gaza.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I've seen what you show you everything I've seen.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Because then you wouldn't talk this way.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, no, I've seen what you've seen, but I want you to look at the guys that for three hours straight watching GoPro videos, laughing, putting babies in ovens.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay. Show it to me or send me the link. I'm happy to.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And the fact you don't even know it exists is very telling because that's why Israel has become so aggressive. In return and understand the background is that the Jewish people have still not repopulated themselves to the pre Nazi Holocaust levels.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

How many people do you think down.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

In the Holocaust, how many people do you think died?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

That's why I'm asking. There's. I get so many different options.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Seven to eight million is usually the number.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Seven to eight million? I've seen six, I've seen two. I've seen three.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so what number do you believe and why does it matter?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Did I live back then? That's 1940, 1930s, 40s?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Does it matter?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

No. I mean, regardless, it's a massive killing of them.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

But is the Holocaust real?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

How. Yeah, of course.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, good, then it shouldn't.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

But how can you say they haven't Republican populated to those times? How do you know? Is there a record of the death?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yeah, there is a record of the death. And so we know how many Jews that there were in the country and in Europe and they have not yet been able to repopulate to those same equivalent numbers coming back. So look, I think we don't agree on anything, and that's okay. I would love to See an end to the killing. However, there needs to be three. Let me ask you my three part question. Okay. Do you believe anti Semitism is real, wrong and evil?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

I believe it is wrong and I believe it exists. And I believe it's evil.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, good. And Israel is right to exist. It's a super easy three point question.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Let me pause right there and ask you what defines a semi. When did the term come about?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, a Semite.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Comes from somebody from the Samaritan region. Yes. Right.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Peoples which consist.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I could have finished the, you know, answer, but yes, from the Samaritan region. That is a term that has largely been popularized in the last 1500. So let me, let me be more specific. Anti Jewish hatred. Is that fair?

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes, that's.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That's evil. Wrong.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay. Israel has a right to exist.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yes. Okay, good. And that since we posit that Israel has a right to exist, that we need to come up with some solution where all people can live peacefully in the region. Okay. Or a one state solution. Or a three state solution. Right.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay, then why can't. If it's a one state solution, why can't they live under the Palestinians peacefully like they did previously?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I don't speak on behalf of Israel, but if a group of people go and murder 1200 of your own people for no reason, I don't think I'm gonna give them the keys to Jerusalem.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Okay, that's fine.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Disagreements. Welcome, guys. Thank you very much.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Hello.

[Kyle Voling]

All right. Hi, my name is Kyle Voling. I'm a senior here at the University of South Florida.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Guys, please show respect to everyone asking a question, okay? Thank you very much.

[Kyle Voling]

I am a senior at the ASL Interpreting Program here at usf. And I bring this up because you had made the claim in January.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I'm gonna get in a lot of trouble. I totally stand by this, by the way.

[Kyle Voling]

Yeah. During the Los Angeles fires that ASL interpreters on screen were distracting and unnecessary. I'd like to start off with what your perspective of ASL is, because a lot of people have ranges and some people may be inaccurate on what that believes.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I just mean the sign language interpreters during the disaster proclamations that didn't exist when I was a kid. And for whatever reason, I have to look at them and it distracts me when I'm trying to hear what the person has to say.

[Kyle Voling]

Okay. So a lot of people who are unaware of what American Sign Language is thinks it's that it's word for word exact English. In most cases it's not. So it's a completely different form of a language. Like any person who speaks Spanish or English. And I bring this up because there was an estimate about 10 people who had died in the Los Angeles fire. And the claims and the rhetoric that you had used that ASL interpreters were useless and unimportant could have led those people to remain living in the environment that they were.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

They had ASL interpreters, so it didn't save their life.

[Kyle Voling]

Okay, but let's just say if they were able to every.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, hold on a second. Your argument is not founded because every California broadcast requires ASL interpreters. So how could it have saved their life if it already existed?

[Kyle Voling]

Okay, fair point. I understand that. But then I do. Am I unable to agree with.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

It's fine. Let me just. I'm curious. Why can't people who are deaf just read closed captions?

[Kyle Voling]

Yes, So I have that written down. Closed captions. Closed captions is exact word for word order. ASL and English are not the exact same language. People who have no exposure to what English is and were grew up in a generationally deaf family only know American Sign Language the same way that somebody who was from Mexico and they only spoke Spanish or any country for that instance would only know the language they spoke at home. So having that access.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

But. But the disaster briefings are only in English.

[Kyle Voling]

But ASL provides that access to other people the same way that Spanish options in Spanish too, they can correct. But asl, you. ASL interpreters on screen is the exact same thing.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Let me tell you why closed caption.

[Kyle Voling]

Screen is for here.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I picked this fight for a very specific reason. It is a. It is a small portion of the population and I agree it's obviously unnecessary and it's kind of in your face of this like nonstop virtue signaling thing that we're going to keep on adding new trappings to appease new groups for no, no good emergency response reason whatsoever.

[Kyle Voling]

People are unimportant to our.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, I think they're super important rhetoric.

[Kyle Voling]

That you're saying that ASL interpreters on screen are unimportant to the deaf community.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I think, I think you can go back to how things were under Katrina or you just. Just read closed captions. Why is that?

[Kyle Voling]

As I'm saying, ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Can you give me evidence it saved lives?

[Kyle Voling]

I'm sure I could find plenty, but right now I don't have any.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

My deaf. My deaf ASL professor has no Problem.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

She actually preferred closed captions.

[Kyle Voling]

Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. ASL is a complete range of a language. But completely blocking out ASL interpreters and saying that our work is completely useless is very, like, unempowering to the field that we're going into. And we're very lucky here at USF to have the only face to face program that offers ASL interpreting. The only other college here in Florida is University of North Florida, which is all online.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Okay, so let me just make sure I understand should, and I don't know the answer to this, but do you think that in how we do broadcasts or whatever, we should have, like, pandering subsets to every single portion of minority populations? Like, for example, like, should we just say we're not going to do the broadcast with audio anymore because of hearing sensitive people that don't like. I mean, we can get to some extremes here.

[Kyle Voling]

So are you more against having access to people who are unaware?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Let me tell what I'm against. I'm against changing what has worked to try and accommodate very small portions of the population that have outsized ability to complain for no reason whatsoever. And that has wide ranging civilizational implications. I think closed captions have worked. They do work. And by the way, you know, the amount of deaf people that reached out to me, saying ASL is a racket and that closed captioning, I mean, I opened like this huge fight. The ASL association came after me. Like this whole thing, I love all people, some of my best friends are deaf. And it's not about that. It's a broader question of where are we ever gonna draw the line as a country that maybe this pandering has gone too far.

[Kyle Voling]

So I'm more concerned because asl, the first word is American. What is so awful about that? That's providing access that you're so against having it on the screen is hardly a distraction.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Again, you can kind of tell I'm being. I'm pushing the boundaries intentionally, because I think that if somebody doesn't say this is silly and stupid, nobody will. I mean, at some point you get to the place where you have to say, no, what is the purpose of this? Why does this exist?

[Kyle Voling]

Because ASL interpreters have only, like, truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I wish you, honestly, God bless you for wanting to serve people that are not able to hear. I think that's really admirable. I think that's great. Whether or not it's part of, like a mandated Emergency broadcast is a completely different issue, so I wish you well. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Unknown Speaker 1]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Unknown Speaker 4]

I feel like my question's kind of silly after a couple others who have been up here, but I just wanted to know because, you know, I wrote a lot in college about how campuses are not designed for the nuclear family, and it kind of caused some waves at my university because I was on the newspaper there. And so now later, post college, you know, I've thought about doing podcasting and talking with people, but I found it very difficult sometimes to remain calm in a debate. So how do you remain so calm when someone who is dissenting or even the crowd gets obviously heated?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I will say, look, I naturally do not have a lot of self control, but I believe it's a fruit of the spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and of course, the last one, self control. And I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis. And that is a fruit of the spirit.

[Unknown Speaker 4]

Okay, thanks.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

It's the best answer I have. God bless you. Thank you. I want to invite disagreement from students in particular. Okay, so we'll get to you. Don't worry yet. Let's let this young man come and then we'll go there. Yes. Is that a Mises pin?

[Cameron]

Yes, it is.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Oh, my gosh, Ludwig von Mises.

[Cameron]

I really appreciate what you said about education. We shouldn't be specialized. You know, we should be learning philosophy and the ancients. And so on. And it makes me really sad. I'm about to disagree with you here. Do losers deserve property rights and losers, I mean the Palestinians, I mean, do they deserve life? Do they deserve to, you know, have their own associations and you know, voluntary associations? So on we're appealing to objective standard. Why can't we have that for them as well?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Great question. Let me just pause and say, guys, I have a rule that I will not do a topic more than twice. This is the last time on Israel. Okay. And just if you. I know people are fired up. Not, I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel Hour. So is that cool? So this is the last time. And then we'll. Otherwise this only becomes singular topic focused.

[Cameron]

I'm sorry.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, no, no, don't apologize. It's fine. So you're asking do, do losers get property rights? Well, let me just kind of push back. There has been self governing autonomy of Gaza since early 2006. The West bank is largely self autonomous and has sovereignty. So they do have property rights. What they've done with those property rights has been pretty lackluster. It's, it's become basically a hellish place to live. Unfortunately.

[Cameron]

Yeah, I would only disagree and say that Hamas is the ones who've been ruling the place. Right. And they aren't, you know, actually protecting the, you know, property rights of the Gazans and so on.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Totally.

[Cameron]

They're just another gang.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Right.

[Cameron]

And I'm completely in agreeance with you of getting rid of that gang. Right. But then what about those Palestinians? Can they come back to that land? Can they live there? Can they, you know, have voluntary associates there?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I would love to say yes. Let me tell you my biggest issue, and you might agree or disagree. The first issue is this, is that Hamas was democratically elected. There is support for Hamas within the people of Gaza. Now, I don't trust these polls where they say, and this is even from some of the pro Israel voices, they say, oh, you know, Hamas is supported by a lot of people. I look at a singular piece of evidence, which is when the Hamas terrorists did what they did in October 7th, they were greeted with widespread parade and celebrations in the streets of Gaza. That's troubling. That's troubling. So the biggest problem is, is Islam in its current form? Can Islam in its current form foster a free society? Yeah, and that's a question because in the implementation of Muhammadan Islamic jihadism, will they respect the elements of a free society? And we don't have a lot of evidence to suggest.

[Cameron]

Yes, okay, sure. But the reason why I think it's important to reinstate that, you know, the Palestinians should live in that land and, and it's theirs.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Right.

[Cameron]

And they shouldn't be relocated to Jordan or any other Arab country. It's because ethnically that's where their family came from. Right. That's where their lineage comes from. And so it would seem disingenuous to say that or. Well, if Trump came in and, you know, basically, you know, rebombed the area and got rid of all of them, moved them all out, developed the land and just put Jews back in the place that seems, that doesn't seem proper and. Right. I mean, I'm fine with Israel controlling the whole area, but why can't Palestinians themselves live in those areas? I mean, it doesn't seem they do.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And they probably end up. Well, this idea of them moving in and out is logistically so impossible. I can't even wrap my head around it. Yeah, what I, what I will say though is that this is the more complicated and I don't want to get into this is like whose land is it and exactly who is the Palestinian people? Those are much more complicated questions. For basically, as long as there has been a Judea in Samaria, it has been the nations of Israel for about 3,000 years there have been Jews in those regions. What is a Palestinian is a much more complicated question because that is actually a new term. So is a Palestinian an Arab? Is it a Muslim? Is it someone from Jordan? Is it someone from Syria? Is it someone from.

[Cameron]

It's the current people group living in Palestine.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That is the best answer. Right. Well, again, what is Palestine is another question. I actually believe in people's right to self determination that you, if you say you are a people, you become a people. I believe in that. However, their claim is on an ethnic one, so they're inviting the criticism, if that makes sense.

[Cameron]

Sure. I mean, and I would only push back and say that the, you know, most of the Jews who are living there now, most of them came from Eastern Europe from Thomas Herzl and of course.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

But they don't live in Gaza.

[Cameron]

Sure, sure. But they live in a part of Israel that wasn't originally theirs and they bought some of the land from, you know, the Turkish and some on. But they didn't buy all that land. They definitely invaded and conquered it.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Yeah. And the, again, I don't want to go deep diving this, but the parts that were questionably Israel's have been largely given back the Sinai in particular was given back to Egypt. There were lots of land for peace deals, and that almost never works. You seem very reasonable. Here's what bothers me is I've dealt with a lot and I've got to know, as you could tell, the previous young man that was up here with a lot of people from this region that are wicked smart. I think they deserve better than living under a radical Islamic totalitarian government, and I want to try to see them get closer to a free society. And I don't think under current Islam that's possible.

[Cameron]

Sure.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

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[Unknown Speaker 3]

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