The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: "The Epstein Finale?"

Date: December 23, 2025
Host: Guest host Andrew Colvett (for Charlie Kirk)
Guests: Jack Posobiec, Sean Davis, Blake Neff, Stephen Moore (later segments), Batya Ungar Sargon (later segments)

Overview of Main Themes

This special pre-Christmas episode centers on a deep dive into the latest Jeffrey Epstein file releases by the Department of Justice (DOJ), public and political reactions to the revelations, and broader issues of coalition-building, movement infighting, and foreign policy on the American right. The episode is marked by a candid, sometimes irreverent, and always unapologetically conservative tone, with multiple contributors weighing in on topics ranging from evidence in the Epstein case to the cultural unity and disagreements within conservative movements.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Latest Epstein Files Release

• Background: Recent bipartisan legislation has led to the release of additional files on Jeffrey Epstein and his network by the DOJ ([03:55]).
• Nature of Files: Files include investigative material, newly released photographs, emails, and evidence with significant redactions for victim privacy ([04:27]).
• New Revelations:
  • Numerous photos of Bill Clinton with Epstein, including at social events and on planes.
  • No new damning evidence uncovered against Donald Trump, despite ongoing speculation ([05:09], [07:44]).
  • Discovery of an Austrian fake passport, references to international business in West Africa and Saudi Arabia ([06:48]).
  • A disturbing letter reportedly from Epstein to convicted criminal Larry Nassar, expressing “our love and caring for young ladies” and a cryptic final message before Epstein’s death ([09:36]).
• DOJ Handling and Redactions: The ongoing legal push-pull over redacting information from the files, with some involved parties requesting further redaction ([04:26]).
• Political Reaction:
  • Donald Trump dislikes the public spectacle of naming “innocent” people connected with Epstein via photographs, warning about tarring by association ([07:50]).
  • Joe Scarborough and others question Trump’s supposed opposition to file releases if nothing incriminating is present ([11:28]).
• Discussion of Evidence and Skepticism:
  • Many photos released lack context—being merely images of prominent people with Epstein, without clear evidence of wrongdoing ([12:09]).
  • Blake Neff urges skepticism regarding guilt by association, warning of defamation and the importance of court evidence ([12:09]).

Notable Quote

"There’s been this narrative that, like, okay, Epstein maybe wasn’t involved in, like, really bad stuff, and maybe it’s all just overblown. No, no, it’s actually disgusting."
—Jack Posobiec [04:27]

2. Broader Connotations and Speculation Around Epstein

• Was Epstein an Intelligence Asset?
  • Discussion of theories involving CIA, Mossad, connections to Adnan Khashoggi, and Epstein’s alleged intelligence ties ([14:31]).
  • Jack Posobiec: "It’s really interesting… the networks he was in. Certainly there are questions on to who was running who. Was he an asset? Was he an operative?" ([14:31])
• On Judicial Process:
  • Emphasis on the need for concrete evidence, government investigation, and making information available for victims’ lawsuits ([15:39]).

3. Movement Dynamics: Unity, Division, and Event Reactions

• AmFest Recap:

  • The recent Turning Point USA AmericaFest is discussed as a huge and somewhat contentious gathering.
  • The “ecumenical” or big-tent approach of TPUSA is praised for fostering coalition-building, even among disagreement ([19:11], [20:24]).
  • The desire from some — especially online voices — for purity tests or public disavowals is raised and debated.

• Debates about Cancellation and Disavowal:

  • Ben Shapiro’s post-speech comments sparked debate within and about the movement ([21:10]).
  • Panelists agree that while there are passionate divides, most attendees are more interested in coalition than in infighting ([23:00]).
  • Online outrage is seen as exaggerated compared to the on-the-ground reality ([24:12]).

• J.D. Vance’s Approach:

  • Emphasizes inclusivity: "He says make America great again because every American is invited. We don't care if you're white or Black, rich or poor, young or old," and denounces racism explicitly ([26:50], [27:13]).

Memorable Exchange

"My personal philosophy… if you are putting points on the board… bringing people to the table… I'm good with you."
—Sean Davis [24:12]

4. Online vs. Real-World Political Dynamics

• Online Outrage vs. Event Reception:
  • Acknowledgement that X (Twitter) can amplify conflict that feels alien to most real-world participants ([24:12], [26:35]).
• Balance in Coalition:
  • Real movement diversity reflected in member polls: "We did a show of hands…who likes Ben’s approach? Half the hands went up…Who likes Tucker’s approach? About half…the crowd was a mixed reception." ([23:00])

5. Foreign Policy as a Proxy Battle

• Why the Right Fights About Foreign Policy:
  • Observations that many movement disputes are really about underlying foreign-policy alignments, especially on Ukraine and Middle East interventions ([28:18], [33:26]).
  • Sean Davis attributes these fights to both financial interests (“military-industrial complex”) and the self-righteous moralizing among elites ([33:59]).

Notable Quote

"There is a very large…enjoyment of patting themselves on the back for being compassionate…willing to spend other people’s lives and money…It’s the COVID nannying but taken to a foreign policy extent."
—Sean Davis [33:59]

6. Lighter Moments: Christmas Movie Debates and Panel Banter

• **Panelists debate favorite Christmas movies and whether Die Hard qualifies ([30:05]–[33:18])]
  • Sean Davis: "No, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. What are they doing having a work party on Christmas Eve? That's crazy."
  • Blake Neff: "It came out in the summer. It’s just a movie set during Christmas."
  • Andrew Colvett: "Yes, Die Hard is a Christmas movie. It lives eternally…"
• Mentions of holiday plans, ugly Christmas sweaters, hot cocoa, and generational differences in irony ([31:14], [32:23], [33:18])

7. Reflections on Political Leadership and Power

• Why Leaders Fixate on Foreign Affairs:

  • Both Sean and Blake suggest self-importance, the allure of power, and a desire to manipulate "big moving parts" as motivations ([33:59], [36:00]).

• Andrew Colvett:

  • Closes on a theological note: "We remember that Jesus came to earth. He’s God and we are not Him. So that’s our message to all the godlike-complex folks." ([36:25])

Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & Banter: [01:09–02:48]
• Epstein File Breakdown (with Jack Posobiec): [03:55–09:36]
• Trump’s Reaction to Epstein Evidence: [07:50–08:50]
• On Court Evidence, Skepticism, and Conspiracies: [12:09–16:06]
• AmFest & Coalition Discussion: [18:24–28:18]
• JD Vance’s Speech & Inclusion: [26:35–28:18]
• Christmas Movie Debate & Banter: [30:05–33:18]
• Foreign Policy as Proxy and Movement Dynamics: [33:26–36:25]

Key Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Posobiec, on the gruesome nature of the files:
  "These photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make me sick to my stomach." [04:27]

• On Trump and Epstein:
  "Not only did they still not find Trump…Trump was also flying on the plane with his family…like, not a situation where we're hopefully anything on tour." —Jack Posobiec [06:43]

• Sean Davis, on movement unity:
  "If you're putting points on the board…I'm good with you…There's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement." [24:12]

• On social media vs reality:
  "X isn't real life…but it's important to be out there talking to normal people…as much as it may pain people like us to hear, we are political obsessives; most people are not like us." —Sean Davis [24:12–26:35]

• On foreign policy:
  "People do get fixated on these big abstract things...They liked the idea, oh, I’m moving these big armies. It’d be so cool if I was Alexander the Great..." —Blake Neff [35:37]

Tone and Approach

The episode is marked by its authentic, grassroots, “no-holds-barred” approach. Conversation moves nimbly between heavy political analysis and jovial cultural commentary, reflecting the cultural-political blend central to The Charlie Kirk Show.

For those who missed it:
This episode offers both an up-to-the-minute update on the state and significance of the Epstein investigation, as well as an inside look at the personalities and philosophies shaping today's conservative movement, with space made for both serious inquiry and light-hearted seasonal banter.