The Left Turns on Taylor Swift?

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: The Left Turns on Taylor Swift?
Date: October 10, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Notable Guests: Chris Cuomo, Andrew Colvett, Blake Neff, Daisy, Corey, Mikey McCoy

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Charlie Kirk Show explores the intersection of pop culture and politics, with a focus on the controversy swirling around Taylor Swift’s latest album and the way “the Left” has allegedly turned on her. The show also delves into campus activism, the politicization of violence, the current state of America’s culture wars, and conservative interpretations of recent pop music events—including a notable discussion about country singer Zach Bryan.

The episode features a substantive interview with Chris Cuomo, reflecting on the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, the culture of violence in American politics, and the media’s role in amplifying division. The second half zooms into the allegations against Taylor Swift for being "Republican coded," and pop culture’s new battleground over traditional values.

Throughout, the show’s hosts highlight their own activism, promote faith and family values, and critique the excesses of online and left-wing outrage.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s Assassination and Political Violence

(00:03–11:21)

• Opening Remarks: Charlie Kirk and Andrew Colvett open with reflections on Charlie’s activism, Turning Point USA, and the importance of standing for truth and traditional values.
  • “My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable.” — Charlie Kirk (00:03)
• Chris Cuomo Interview:
  • Chris Cuomo, now at NewsNation, joins for an honest conversation about the shocking murder of Charlie Kirk, describing it as a “low for us.”
    • “The idea of his murder is an absolute low for us. … It can never be mitigated. It can never be qualified.” — Chris Cuomo (03:05)
  • Discussion centers around the “yeah, but” reaction—people finding ideological justification for violence—which Cuomo strongly condemns.
    • “Yeah but is really frightening when it comes to a moral analysis. Okay, yeah, look, it's wrong to kill somebody, but. No, no, no, no, no but.” — Chris Cuomo (03:05)
  • Colvett and panel express frustration over the media and political figures using Kirk’s death to push unrelated agendas or conspiracy theories.
• Media and Social Media’s Role:
  • Cuomo criticizes how violence is weaponized on both sides and amplified on social media, referencing conspiracies and “rage-bait” as destructive to civil discourse.

2. Differentiating Policy Debate from Dehumanizing Rhetoric

(11:21–20:32)

• Mislabeling Racism:
  • Cuomo and Colvett discuss how accusations of racism and extremism have become weaponized, trivializing serious issues.
    • “You cheapen the profound nature [of racism] … just like calling people Nazis or saying that Trump is Hitler.” — Chris Cuomo (12:29)
• Campus Culture and Turning Point USA:
  • Colvett highlights how Charlie Kirk valued real conversation over viral confrontation, suggesting most campus interactions were civil despite the incendiary clips that circulate online.

3. Why Is Political Violence Seen as More Justifiable Among Some Young Progressives?

(16:30–19:14)

• Poll Data:
  • The show analyzes a recent poll showing ~30% of young self-described liberals (age 18-39) see political violence as justified—a greater share than young conservatives or older generations (16:30).
  • Cuomo attributes this to “pendular” politics, with outrage cycling between the Left and Right; currently, young progressives are more activated by grievance and a sense of “righteousness.”

4. Preserving Civil Disagreement and the Dangers of ‘Rage-bait’ Media

(19:14–20:32)

• Both Cuomo and the hosts agree that digital and legacy media often reward the most divisive or emotionally provocative content.
  • “You have to stop allowing the algorithms to reward rage baiting.” — Chris Cuomo (20:32)

5. Pop Culture Power Half Hour: Taylor Swift and the ‘Republican Coded’ Album

(22:21–36:32)

The Taylor Swift Controversy Unpacked

• Taylor Swift’s New Album & Backlash:
  • The panel discusses how Swift’s new lyrics about wanting marriage and children sparked accusations from left-wing commentators of being “Republican coded” and even racist.
    • “She’s getting canceled by her own side.” — Corey (26:23)
    • “People are upset saying that Taylor has given the alt right their conservative agenda on a silver platter because she's talking about how she wants to get married and have kids.” — Corey (27:00)
• Accusations of Racism and Homophobia:
  • Lyrics interpreted as white supremacist or anti-black—e.g., “Onyx night” (purported reference to Travis Kelce’s Black ex-girlfriend) and “Opalite” (as “translucent and white”).
  • Panel mocks the over-interpretation and microaggression claims.
    • “So Taylor is not only using the lyrics in the song to talk about how she is so much better for Travis than his ex girlfriend is, but she is choosing to do that using the imagery of Onyx ... and Opalite, which is typically white.” — Guest/Commentator (29:30)
• The Right’s Response:
  • The group expresses wry amusement that even Swift—long a progressive activist—is being accused of “alt right” sympathies.
    • “It's crazy that people are saying that Taylor is so MAGA coded in this album because Taylor is ... very publicly against Trump. Just because she wants to get married and have kids does not mean that she is a Republican.” — Corey (31:49)
    • “It is remarkable that normal things are now Republican coded. I think that's a win for the country in the short term politically, because how are you supposed to win if monogamy is like a partisan issue?” — Andrew Colvett (36:32)
• Memorable Satirical Moments:
  • Joking that “peace and joy” and “monogamy” have now become partisan/Republican virtues.
    • “Peace and joy. These are obviously Republican monogamy.” — Corey (35:02)
    • “How did like obviously good things become partisan things?” — Andrew Colvett (35:08)
  • Jokes about doing “exposure therapy” on progressives by showing them nuclear families to see if they have a “visceral disgust reaction.” (36:00)

Is This a Turning Point for Taylor Swift?

• Prediction:
  • The panel teases that getting “canceled” could push Swift rightward, fulfilling a “Charlie Kirk prophecy.”
    • “Maybe she’ll get canceled so hard that it’ll actually push her to the right wing doors.” — Mikey McCoy (32:27)

6. Additional Pop Culture: Zach Bryan Controversy

(37:19–42:17)

• Hostility Toward Zach Bryan:
  • Discussion of country singer Zach Bryan, recent negative headlines, and personal controversies (messy breakup, bribes, fights with police).
  • Dissection of lyrics criticizing ICE and patriotic values, and Kristi Noem’s viral condemnation of Bryan.
    • “He just compromised it all by putting out a product such as that [song] that attacks individuals who are just trying to make our streets safe.” — Kristi Noem (40:58)
• General Pop Culture Grievances:
  • Panel derides “woke” country stars, jokes about Bryan’s short stature, and reviews feuds between Bryan and ex-girlfriends.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The idea of his murder is an absolute low for us. It can never be mitigated.” — Chris Cuomo (03:05)
• “The ‘yeah, but’ was really terrifying ... Everyone was trying to find a reason it was a good thing.” — Daisy (05:20)
• “You have to stop allowing the algorithms to reward rage baiting. … If I were to do that, there would be so much scrutiny of, wow. All this guy does is give you reasons to hate people.” — Chris Cuomo (20:32)
• “People are upset saying that Taylor has given the alt right their conservative agenda on a silver platter because she's talking about how she wants to get married and have kids.” — Corey (27:00)
• “So Taylor is not only using the lyrics in the song to talk about how she is so much better ... but she is choosing to do that using the imagery of Onyx ... and Opalite, which is typically white.” — Guest/Commentator (29:30)
• “It's crazy that people are saying Taylor is so MAGA coded ... Just because she wants to get married and have kids does not mean that she is a Republican.” — Corey (31:49)
• “It is remarkable that normal things are now Republican coded. I think that's a win for the country ... because how are you supposed to win if monogamy is like a partisan issue?” — Andrew Colvett (36:32)
• “How did like obviously good things become partisan things?” — Andrew Colvett (35:08)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Charlie’s opening—faith, activism, college as a scam: 00:03–01:09
• Interview with Chris Cuomo on polarization and post-assassination discourse: 01:09–11:21
• On the media’s role and weaponizing division: 13:54–15:08
• Poll: Is violence justified for political goals? 16:30–19:14
• Taylor Swift album controversy (“Republican coded” accusations start): 25:44–36:32
• Taylor Swift’s “Opalite” lyric dissected as racist: 28:38–30:59
• Taylor’s “Cancelled” song and broader left-wing outrage: 31:26–32:44
• Satire about “monogamy,” peace, and joy as Republican values: 33:24–36:32
• Zach Bryan controversy, personal drama, and Kristi Noem’s response: 37:19–42:17

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Tone and Style

The show’s language alternates between combative, earnest, and irreverently humorous. There is a strong sense of conservative solidarity, layered with tongue-in-cheek mockery of left-wing interpretations of pop culture and a recurrent call to return to traditional family and faith-based values.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a mix of serious cultural criticism—anchored by a notable discussion with Chris Cuomo about political violence and the state of discourse in America—and lighthearted, pointed takes on trending pop culture controversies. The hosts argue that the left has turned so extreme that even pop celebrities like Taylor Swift are considered conservative for expressing traditional desires for marriage and children. They see this as both a sign of cultural decline and, paradoxically, a political opportunity.

Whether you’re looking to hear an unusual intersection of right-wing activism with pop culture, or curious how current events are being framed inside conservative media circles, this episode provides a representative taste—with both gravitas and edge.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Blake Neff]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold. But the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show. I now am joined by Blake Neff, our not so secret weapon. And we're honored to have somebody that maybe this audience wouldn't expect us to have on the show, but it's for a very important conversation, and that is Chris Cuomo, host of Cuomo on News Nation, a show that I had the pleasure of going on last night and talking about some really important things. And we talked after the show, and he agreed to join us right here on this show as well. So, Chris, welcome to the show, and thank you for making the time.

[Blake Neff]

Hey, Andrew, appreciate being with you. Thank you for being on News Nation. And I'm very sorry for the loss of your friend Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank. Thank you for that. And I know that. I know that you are, because you've expressed it to me personally, and you've gone out of your way to do so. And I think that, you know, deserves credit to where it's due, because a lot of people, you know, the first things they reached out to are all about business. It's all about, what does this mean? And when people come and their first. Their first comment is, I'm sorry for your loss. And I, you know, I feel for you. And. And you have nice things to say about Charlie, who. I know you and he. And we disagree about the politics of it all. We have a lot of different opinions and all that stuff. But one thing that I noticed about you, Chris, and we talked about it a little bit last night, is, you know, There can be a lot made of the who you know, who did this, but we can agree that the what is much more clear. We know what killed Charlie. What killed Charlie was people. And I said this on your show, excuse me, and you reiterated it was that somebody or maybe a group of people were still waiting on some of the details there, candidly, and we want the answers, but somebody decided to pick up a gun when Charlie Kirk, what he was about was picking up a microphone.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's a great line and it is a perfect encapsulation of an evolving fundamentalism in our country and the extremism that we see that is turbocharged by social media, that is monetized within our politics and digital media that is capitalized on by this toxic two party system. This is bad directionally. And what scared me most after the personal feelings about the loss of such a young man who was followed by so many and what it meant to his wife and his babies. Once I could get past that, what scared me the most, Andrew, was the yeah, but. Yeah but. Yeah but is really frightening when it comes to a moral analysis. Okay, yeah, look, it's wrong to kill somebody, but. No, no, no, no, no but. No but. You want to talk about Charlie's ideas, fine. Nobody wanted to do that more than Charlie did and more than most, he did it with decency. And I'm not saying I agreed with everything that he said. Charlie and I were very plain about our disagreements, but not attacking him personally, not attacking how he tried to present himself. And the idea of his murder is an absolute low for us. And that's all it can ever be seen as. It can never be mitigated. It can never be qualified.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, it's well said, Chris. And the. Yeah but was really terrifying. I mean, Blake and I were obviously we were shell shocked. We're watching the whole world change. Blake. You know, I think about this often with Blake that he was there a few feet away from Charlie and you know, imagine our world and Blake's world as well. Especially imagine what we're seeing in those few hours days after it happened. And you're seeing Congress getting into shouting matches about a prayer. You're getting, you're seeing, you're seeing celebrations.

[Daisy]

We saw this. The. Yeah, but what it really manifested was this immediate race I have by a lot of people that I have to find a reason. I can feel okay with this. I have to find a reason, actually I can decide this is a good thing. And they would fixate on the smallest, you know, the stuff we debunked in the episode the following week where, oh, well, actually he said this thing about the Second Amendment so you can actually dunk on Charlie for dying. Or he said this thing about affirmative action. So actually it's fine to think it was good that he was shot. And that happened so often. And that's not even getting into the darker stuff. I mean, I got messages from people I personally know who were gloating in my face about it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well.

[Blake Neff]

And you know how many pictures of the President's ear I've gotten where people say, his ear is fine, there's no way it healed like this. There's no. And my point is, look, you bring me proof that they faked it and I'll be all over it. But short of that, that would have been. I don't even want to think about what would have happened in this country had the President been seriously injured, let alone assassinated as Charlie was. And I actually reached out to Trump right after that and said exactly that. Now, of course, the media and a lot of your friends wound up immediately weaponizing it and saying, I apologize to Trump for the media. I apologize. Like, I was somehow responsible for what had happened with that evil assassin. And that's where we're at. And that's why one of the reasons I reached out a little protectively, Andrew, with you, is I see that people are using the opportunity of Charlie's assassination to promote agendas that not only weren't his, but are kind of shameless and disgusting. I mean, even the Israel thing, I mean, yeah, fine, I'm paid off by aipac, whatever silly conspiracy somebody wants. Israel did it. I mean, to weaponize it that way, to use you guys that way is just cheap and part of the problem. And it worried me. So I wanted to make sure that you guys were getting to own your own narrative, you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, yeah, I mean, listen, we're, you know, we just announced that we're gonna be doing the All American halftime show. We've got this tour coming that's continuing where, you know, we've got thousands and thousands of students at all of these arenas. We've got Amfest that's gonna be the biggest it's ever been. We've got huge announcements coming up, even just next week. And so the work continues. And, Chris, I said this on your show last night. It's. We have a sacred duty to live up to the legacy of Charlie, who I believe is a modern day founding father. He's somebody that called us back to our national ideals of debate. And dialogue. That's how I feel. And, you know, listen, we have a sacred duty to live up to that, to harness all of this outpouring of energy, of enthusiasm, for patriotism, for faith, and what I believe can be a revival in this country, especially with young people. And that's what we have to do. We can't get bogged down by the controversies. We can't get dragged down these rabbit holes online and, again, get fixated on the who. The who is important. We want justice, and we want to make sure everybody involved is brought to justice. So believe me, we are working on that. And when we are silent does not mean that we do not care. That was the other thing I told you. I think I repeated myself, as a matter of fact, because in that silence, there is an opportunity for a vacuum and a void to be created where other people will rush in. But we, especially Blake, being a witness, but me and my role, we cannot negatively impact an ongoing investigation. So do not conflate or. Or confuse silence on a very important matter for complacency or laziness or lack of caring. We care. If you think you care, we care more. Let me just assure you. Go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

You have any questions for me? Yeah, I always thought it would be fun. And I'll come back another time if you want, brother. And for you guys to, like, show me where we disagree. Yeah. Show where you think that I'm so different.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, no. Listen, listen. I know that you have charted your own course after the CNN days, and I. And really excited to see, especially with COVID and you say that conversation is the cure. I think Charlie would agree with that. Charlie never actually got to go on your show. We were working on it behind the scenes, and I'm sad that that didn't happen. But you did get to be on with him at the Patrick Pet David for hours. Yeah. By the way, he came away from that. Chris. And he said, no, Chris, he's a really decent guy in person. I really enjoyed meeting him. And so, I mean, it was all positive, positive vibes. But, Chris, I'm gonna keep you.

[Blake Neff]

I like that. You know, I didn't agree with some of his things. The one thing I wish Charlie had had the chance to say here, what he told me when I was with him, with Pat, I was like, you know, how can you think that the Civil Rights act was a mistake?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, well.

[Blake Neff]

And he said to me, and I have said this. I've said this. Now people think I'm lying. But whatever he said to me, that's not what I meant. He goes, I know you can show me clips of that. That's not what I meant. Of course minorities needed to have the right to vote. That's not it. It's that the DEI that was embedded in the DNA of that legislation wound up being used in a way that has been bad for the country. And that. That's what he was talking about. That's what he meant, even if he didn't say it that way. And I accepted it.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Blake Neff]

My experience with racists, okay, you got three kinds. Okay. You got dummies. Okay? Right. People who are ignorant, didn't get exposed to diversity or they're just dummies. Okay, that's one. The second kind are the people who aren't aware that their behaviors or their words or both are suggestive of a prejudice, that it's implicit and that they're not trying to be that way. But that's how they're raised. That's just how they think, and it's correctable. Then you have the third one, okay, which is the real problem. Racists who are proud to tell you that they are. And in my experience, if someone's a racist, they will tell you because they believe they have very good reasons for it. And I see it being abused now, just like calling people on Nazis or saying that Trump is Hitler. You cheapen the profound nature.

[Andrew Colvett]

To be fair, though, Chris, just to be fair, people have been mislabeling people as racist for years. You know, basically as Long as I've been an adult, probably much longer before that sometimes. But it ramped up and a lot.

[Blake Neff]

Of times they're not.

[Andrew Colvett]

It ramped up a lot in the last, I would say 10, 15 years, a lot. And you can see that by some of those charts and graphs that were the Wall Street Journal, how many times they brought up racism or racist.

[Blake Neff]

There's no.

[Andrew Colvett]

It became weaponized.

[Blake Neff]

You are right. You are right. And what matters or should matter actually doesn't matter enough is why. The reason it's ramped up is because we're going down a road of fundamentalism. We are getting into extreme ideas and extreme belief systems. And I believe it is fed by our system, the two party system specifically, and amplified by design for profit by social media. So that now it's not that, like, I would love for you guys to pepper me with like, or what do you think about, you know, guns or whatever it is where you think that we disagree. And I think it's a really great exercise and we, we don't want to do that. Instead I want to say, oh, that Andrew is a cuck and you know that Blake is soft and I destroyed them and you know, I destroyed them and I did this and I did that and then I put it out in the clips and that's how it is. That is. It's so toxic and people don't get it. And I say to him, just think about, I say to people all the time, you think you'd say that if you were standing in front of me right now?

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, it's funny, Chris, I remember.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I would.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. No, you wouldn't. You know, it's funny, I have this, I don't know if this is bad to bring up, but one of the images of you in my head was, you know, somebody came at you in public. It was in real life. And I think the clip went viral for a little bit. And you got in this guy's face like you, you know, I remember thinking like, you don't want to mess with Chris.

[Blake Neff]

I'll give you the truth. You want the truth, Andrew? Here's the truth, the unspoken truth. One, I almost got fired for that. And a big reason that it almost happened was the president. The president saw the clip or was told about the clip and used it to make the point that people say his supporters are violent. Look at this guy. And he went another step. I was like, and I know him. And these guys got lucky. And I'll tell you what, he's right. They did get lucky. And I'll tell you why, Andrew. What you don't know is they didn't stop me. They stopped my 9 year old daughter and said, is it okay if we take a picture with Fredo? And as I was walking up the stairs I heard and I said did you just call me Fredo to my nine year old daughter? And the guy was like, yeah, like that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh yeah. You don't do that. You don't do that. And that's disrespectful, Chris. Of course. And we. I'm sorry you had to go through that. All right, Chris, I want to show you a graphic and I'm going to have you reply to it because it is concerning and I saw by the way. So go ahead and throw up.265. We've talked about it on this show before and the question was posed. Remember this is September 12th through the 15th. Don't worry, I'll walk you all through it. If you can't read, it says the question was. So this is two days after it happened. Okay. Is it ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goal? And this is the percentage of responding. Yes. And look at that really standout node right there at the beginning age 18 through 39, if you're liberal, 30% of them just about, maybe just under maybe it's 29% said yes, that it's justified to resort to violence to achieve political goals. There is something going on with young progressives that they think violence is somehow. Okay, what do you make of that?

[Blake Neff]

A few things. One, I think it's not that that is true as a standalone. It's the ands. Okay. One, they may call themselves progressives, they may not. I think the labels don't apply the way they used to. And it's not just people on the left, it's young people in general.

[Andrew Colvett]

But Chris, but Chris, one second. I just want to say look at the conservative node there. It's in the other color. It is.

[Blake Neff]

I see it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Young conservatives are actually self described. Yeah. Self described. Are less likely than even, you know, 60 plus conservative year old conservatives.

[Blake Neff]

Yes. And I think there's a reason for that right now which is the rageometer has swung the pendulum. Right. Everything is pendular in our politics.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why?

[Blake Neff]

Two choices, the binary nature of it. So the rage was on the right. That's what launched and birthed maga was the president tapping into a legitimate set of grievances. Legitimate set of grievances. And there was outrage. Now it has swung and there's reaction formation to maga, the Dem socks, I call them the Democratic socialists. And they have the outrage, they have the grievance of Trump as a fascist and of affordability and of perceived cultural victimization, which they grab onto in Gaza as well as here in America. Like, that's the level of surrogacy they have for this righteousness, whether or not it applies to them or not. That's what's driving it, and it is really dangerous.

[Andrew Colvett]

How do we fix it?

[Blake Neff]

Here's how you fix it. Okay, I've been given this a lot of thought. Usually I say, I don't know. I'm not in the answers business. But here's the answer. There's no way that News Nation and every other media platform that you like or dislike has a level of responsibility for what it puts out there. And the richest, most powerful media people with the largest platforms have zero. Fix it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Interesting. Yeah. And I would say that, you know, to Charlie's credit, because Charlie gets lumped in with this. Charlie Kirk destroys lib and all this stuff. And I get it. Those videos are out there on social media. But 90% Chris of his interactions on campus were calm, patient. One of the most common things that we saw, especially as he got older, because he started looking at the students as like younger siblings. He had the older brother role. And he was infinitely, nearly infinitely patient with so many of these kids. And that became the most common comment that we would see on social media. Like, Charlie, how do you feel? Patient.

[Blake Neff]

And me as well. That's what I value you to fire.

[Andrew Colvett]

To your point, those didn't always go as viral as the. As the fiery exchanges. And that's never. That's something that's cooked into our basic wiring. Floor is yours to finish us off.

[Blake Neff]

Never. I mean, it's not one thing. It's everything. Okay. And I get that most people don't get this because most people don't live social media the way they amplify the magnified minorities do, minority populations. So they don't really get it, but it is infecting everything they do get. And you have to stop allowing the algorithms to reward rage baiting. I'm not allowed to do that. If I were to do that, there would be so much scrutiny of, wow. All this guy does is give you reasons to hate people.

[Andrew Colvett]

We gotta wrap it up. Chris, that was a really interesting conversation. All right, thank you so much. Good to be with you. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. We are all about saving babies with Preborn. There are 24,836 kindergarteners starting school this month who would not be alive if it hadn't been for what Preborn did in 2019. When a woman considering abortion sees her baby on that ultrasound and hears that baby's heartbeat, it doubles the chance that she will choose life. $140 gives five five mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies. $280 can save 10 babies. And just $28 a month can save a baby a month. For less than a dollar a day. A $15,000 gift will provide an ultrasound machine that will save babies lives for years and years to come. Charlie and Erica love preborn. Charlie loved it so much. He believed in it so much. He was a donor. So I'll give the final word to Charlie Kirk.

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[Andrew Colvett]

So, you know, I used to always notice this when Charlie would get to like, certain segments and he just was like, hey, I don't even know anything about what I'm talking about here, but you guys do. So. And he would like, love it. Cause it was not on him. So we're gonna be talking about pop culture controversies, Taylor Swift, Zach Bryan, all the things. But first, Mikey McCoy has some news for us.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, so obviously we announced the halftime show today.

[Andrew Colvett]

Halftime. The all American halftime show.

[Mikey McCoy]

American halftime show. And so initially there's a little bit of confusion because they were like, is this the Forest Frank Corios Asbury halftime show? Is this the same thing? People are a little bit confused. And I think originally Daisy, we had announced it, and then Corey also announced it.

[Corey]

And so, yeah, everyone just kind of talking about their ideas.

[Andrew Colvett]

I do just want to say really quick, the original seed of the idea came from a joke from Jack Bosovic. I just want to say that Jack does sort of get to claim first dibs here. But anyways, continue.

[Mikey McCoy]

Anyways, so we posted that this morning, some people were asking questions. So just to put, you know, for clarity's sake here, about literally 10 minutes ago, I just jumped off a call with Corey and it was a great phone call. He's an amazing guy, great follower of Christ, does so much to bring people back to the Lord. And it was an amazing phone call, 30 minutes long. And our desire is to partner. Our desire is to proclaim the name of Jesus.

[Andrew Colvett]

Collaborate. Collaborate.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

And so that is our desire. And so it sounds like we're gonna be building a bridge there.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, well, we can't get a hold of ourselves. But listen, the good news is that, like, people that love Jesus, people that are concerned about the things of the Lord, there is no friction. Okay. There is only. Only linking arms. And, I mean, that has been Erica's one guiding principle, or there's been a few, but, like, one of the main ones is that we want to make heaven crowded. We want to see revival. We want to see the name of Jesus made great in our land again. And so that was a really positive step. Good job. I knew nothing about. I knew nothing that there was, like. Like competing things. I think I was completely. I was wonderfully oblivious.

[Corey]

What's most important is that it wasn't even anyone's specific ideas. Was the American public.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Corey]

Saying, we want something different than what we're given. And a lot of amazing people from Turning Point events, Corey, whatever they're trying to put on, a lot of amazing people are trying to make that happen, and we all want to do it together.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And I think this goes back to the fact that Bad Bunny was just a bad choice. And so a lot of people that really love this country, like Blake Neff was like, I'm not gonna stream Bad Bunny music. Or maybe you do. I don't know that Blake's already worked.

[Daisy]

I literally never heard of Bad Bunny until this.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, and I'll just add this. A chord of three strings isn't easily broken. And so the more of us that partner together to fight for what we believe in, the stronger we are.

[Andrew Colvett]

And listen, this doesn't have to be a partisan thing. This doesn't have to be a political thing. This is just, like, there is a sense of what America is. There's a sense about what faith, family, and freedom mean to people. And we just want to. We want to do that. That's what we want to do.

[Mikey McCoy]

Family, freedom. Less booty cheeks on a halftime show.

[Andrew Colvett]

More believe, less sexual anarchy. Booty cheeks.

[Mikey McCoy]

Believers.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we're more on this side. That's really the division here.

[Corey]

It's also a perfect transition.

[Andrew Colvett]

I was gonna say. Okay, so what are we talking about? Let's get this.

[Daisy]

Let's take. So Daisy is, of course, a Taylor Swift fan.

[Corey]

I also would like to say I do have other interests. I know I really only come on this show to talk about Taylor Swift.

[Daisy]

I'm not sure I do. I feel like I only ever talk.

[Andrew Colvett]

To her about Taylor Swift.

[Daisy]

But this is obviously a recurring thing. Charlie had very strong thoughts on Taylor Swift's celebrity and her relationship with that, you know, the Pfizer guy, Travis Kelsey, that. But now she has a new album out and Daisy's going to tell us. There's, like, very interesting developments in how the Swift.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we did talk about this once already. So she talks about just wanting to have the white picket fence in the family. Well, so that we thought was good.

[Corey]

That was the day after it had come out. And so the online chatter hadn't really started yet. But since then, that's been almost. It's been a week since it came out. Almost a week since we had that conversation. And she is getting canceled by her own side.

[Andrew Colvett]

She.

[Corey]

People have found a lot of different lyrics that are microaggression.

[Andrew Colvett]

Microaggression. This reminds me of when that Z gal from the UN F America tour was trying to, like, counter Charlie and Turning Point. And then she got canceled by her own team for microaggressions.

[Corey]

Exactly. So there are a couple things that are going on. One, people are upset saying that Taylor is. One of the quotes that I saw was that she has given the alt right their conservative agenda on a silver platter because she's talking about how she wants to get married and have kids.

[Andrew Colvett]

People use that term, like, in the most idiotic ways.

[Corey]

And then separately, she's getting slammed for her racist.

[Mikey McCoy]

And what's the. What's the blackrock. So, okay, Topaz, let's show some of.

[Daisy]

The clips just so we can set this up. Do we have one of those set up?

[Andrew Colvett]

We have a montage of the left cancer.

[Blake Neff]

We have.

[Daisy]

Let's. Let's just start with. This is a couple of. Let's do 118.

[Corey]

I want to have your white babies, and I actually want our entire neighborhood.

[Blake Neff]

To be racially homogeneous.

[Corey]

She went through this entire thing with Trump, right, about how she and her fan base did not like being called childless cat ladies. And now Taylor is calling y' all childless cat ladies.

[Guest/Commentator]

Either the life of a showgirl is one big racist, homophobic dog whistle, or everyone has lost their absolute minds. Apparently, singing about your new fiance is endorsing eugenics now. And the song Cancelled is a MAGA anthem. The Hamlet character Ophelia, a happy ending instead of a tragic one, is an endorsement of the patriarchy. The song Opalite is a white supremacist anthem for I don't know why. And it's also homophobic, too, and also racist. While we're at it, the question is, is a dog whistle really a dog whistle? If only. The offended part of party can hear it.

[Daisy]

So that person sounds like she was defending. Yeah, Taylor.

[Corey]

But just kind of going through the. The general things that people are saying. So there's. There's a couple things that are going on. One, there's a song called Opalite. Travis, Kelsey's very public ex girlfriend was a black girl. Taylor's lyric says, you were sleepless in the Onyx night. Now you're seeing Opalite. Something like that. And people are saying that this is racist because Onyx is black. Opalite. One of the articles I read said that Taylor represents Opalite because she's translucent and white.

[Mikey McCoy]

I just have to say, Taylor, you're finally getting a taste of what Charlie had to deal with for so long.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Out of context. People taking your words and twisting them. And I think that happened a few times with Charlie talking about Taylor.

[Daisy]

We have a clip of. I think one of those complaints, by the way. Let's play 124.

[Guest/Commentator]

Taylor Swift has revealed herself to be resentful of black women, or at least deeply insecure when it comes to comparing herself to black women. In the song Opalite, Taylor is referencing Travis Kelce's ex girlfriend, Kayla Nicole. The lyrics of Opalite include, you were dancing through the lightning strikes, sleepless in the Onyx night, but now the sky is Opalite. So Taylor is not only using the lyrics in the song to talk about how she is so much better for Travis than his ex girlfriend is, but she is choosing to do that using the imagery of Onyx, which is. Is typically black, and Opalite, which is typically white.

[Corey]

So it gets even. It gets even worse. Taylor's apparent racism because she has. In Wishlist, the song that we talked about last week, she says she wants to have a bunch of kids with Travis and have the whole block looking like you, which is clearly Taylor saying that she wants her entire block to look white and not obviously not her saying she wants to have so many kids with her fiance who she's in love with, that she wants a bunch of mini. Many of them is running around. But no, she's very clearly being racist by that one. Another one, which was. Took me a lot longer to understand. I still don't really understand that. In her song Eldest Daughter, she says, I'm not a bad bee. We can interpret what that means. I'm not a savage, which. That is a microaggression. I think we're showing pictures up on the screen of people responding to that, saying that Taylor is showing her racism by saying that. Because those are. She is comparing herself to his ex again, who we know is black.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I'm just saying, Blake, how many times does a progressive need to get burned by the insane progressive people before they learn that you do not make common cause evidence?

[Daisy]

I've seen from when I have investigated this is. Unfortunately, it is infinity. Some people can like just be humiliated over and over, like massively hated. And they'll just. They'll never quite.

[Andrew Colvett]

How did I know that you were never like.

[Corey]

That's also what I think is so crazy about this. Because in her song Canceled, which one of the videos mentioned it's about how she likes her friends better being canceled. It's widely speculated that's about Brittany Mahomes, who has been associated with conservative principles, the alt right movement and.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, speaking of the alt right move. Or do you have a. Sorry, I didn't.

[Corey]

Well, I was just gonna say I think this is so crazy that people are saying that Taylor is so maga coded in this album because Taylor is. Every single election has come out and endorsed a Democrat. She is very publicly against Trump. Just. I. Just because she wants to get married and have kids does not mean that she is a Republican.

[Daisy]

There is a real dimension to this. There's a real dimension to this where, like, it really makes them come out and you realize they just can't stand normal people.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Not. Not to mention she. This album is incredibly raunchy, like, not kid friendly.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's this magic wand?

[Corey]

She wants to get married.

[Mikey McCoy]

Maybe she'll get canceled so hard that it'll actually push her to the right wing doors.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think Charlie was hoping for Charlie Kirk prophecy that's about to come true.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's getting fulfilled.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. In our bits. We should play 123 though. This is a critique of her album being Republican coded.

[Guest/Commentator]

123 came across a video today of someone calling Taylor Swift's new album Republican coded.

[Andrew Colvett]

Because it obviously is. And if you can't realize that you're a victim of the media literacy crisis, if only for the song Canceled, where she, the billionaire, paints herself as the victim of cancel culture. People rightfully pointed out the person she was dating did a racist thing. But beyond that, I mean, that's enough. That's obvious. Making number one, that and number two, an album about like an idealized form of like one. What is a typical American family ideally of like living in a suburb, being in a monogamous relationship, getting peace and joy, and basically just kind of being a housewife. Those are Republican virtues. Those are Republican virtues.

[Daisy]

We'll take them.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll take them.

[Daisy]

We'll take them.

[Corey]

American families.

[Daisy]

I will just maintain if she can go on a tour and if she announces that she is going to go on tour as Taylor Kelce, I think.

[Mikey McCoy]

I'll buy this coming true.

[Andrew Colvett]

Her fan base will explode. I just want to apologize to the audience for playing that young man. I'm sorry. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turningpoint for years to come. Now hear Charlie, in his own words, tell you about why Refi.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

My sincerest apologies to you all. I know that was apologies calling for you.

[Corey]

I just can't get over you said peace and joy.

[Andrew Colvett]

These are obviously Republican monogamy.

[Mikey McCoy]

You know, those Republicans, they like kids.

[Andrew Colvett]

Family, you know, I hope this isn't like a downer, but Blake and I's last text exchange with Charlie was about monogamy. And we're talking about how it's very advanced civilizational tech, how good it is for culture, how it directs male energy towards the building of families, the building of businesses, the building of civilization. It's just when I heard him say monogamy, Republican value, I was like, how did, how did like obviously good things become partisan things?

[Daisy]

Well, it would become a partisan thing if one of the sides was against good things and liked things because they were disgusting and bad.

[Corey]

It's never been more clear that they are just they're saying from this Taylor Swift album, which I think is crazy. That's where they're coming to this conclusion from that they are against settling down and having a. I think we should.

[Daisy]

Do an experiment where like you take really left wing insane people and you just do exposure therapy, like hook them up to some devices to measure them and then just show them like a photo of a nuclear family with two children under age spikes and just see if like, if they have this like visceral disgust reaction. Because at this point I suspect you would. And I think we need to research this.

[Corey]

We should bring back Wife Swap, but it's like a complete conservative, normal tradwife family with some blue haired, blue haired, normalized 20 year old girl living in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Normalizing, living in the city. This is normalizing. Patently insane people. And we need to actually return to the taboo culture of yesteryear. All we want, we don't want Handmaid's Tale. We just want the 90s. That's all we want. Yeah, give me the 90s. Which maybe is a good inspiration for our halftime show. But it is remarkable that normal things are now Republican coded. I think that's a win for the country in the short term politically, because how are you supposed to win if monogamy is like a partisan issue? Like, I'm pretty sure Democrats don't want to be cheated on either. You know, I wouldn't want to assume. Okay, all right. We have more pop culture controversies, including Zach Bryan. What's the next controversy we need to be educated on?

[Corey]

Zach Bryan posted a snippet of a song and he captioned it the fading of the Red, White and blue. And in this song, his lyrics are. An ice is going to come bust down your door Try to build a house no one builds no more. But I got a telephone. The kids are all scared and all alone. So Zach Bryan already is just not a good guy. I think that's probably pretty well known. We talked about this.

[Daisy]

I've also never heard of Zach Ryan.

[Corey]

Until this long massive country singer. Incredibly talented.

[Andrew Colvett]

Daisy.

[Mikey McCoy]

Daisy. What happened with him and Brianna Chicken Fry.

[Corey]

Yes, he publicly dated.

[Mikey McCoy]

That was his former girlfriend.

[Corey]

Chicken Fry is not actually her last.

[Andrew Colvett]

Name, but that's what we call it. She's funnier.

[Daisy]

She was.

[Corey]

Goes by Brianna Chicken Fried. They publicly dated for a long time. Then messy, messy breakup. She came out, said that he treated her incredibly terribly. Very, very, very bad stuff about him and he Osford in this story. Yes, she I like. I don't think she's a fan of us. In any way. But she very publicly has said that he offered her $12 million to never talk about him publicly again.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's just an extortion.

[Guest/Commentator]

Right.

[Corey]

Also took the same deal. Not $12 million.

[Andrew Colvett]

But he's been married to.

[Corey]

Yes, he was actually. He was in the military, Was married, got divorced, and is now a very successful country singer. But Brianna Chicken Fry did not take the money and has been speaking or has spoken about everything.

[Daisy]

Turning down $12 million to publicly hate on someone is some pretty nuclear level hatred.

[Corey]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

A woman scorned. Blake. A woman scorned.

[Corey]

So he. And he's always been. Been pretty liberal, especially after all the Bud Light stuff happened. I want to say that he. Conservatives were canceling Bud Light, and I think he pretty publicly said Bud Light was going to be the sole beer he drank on his tour. I'm 90%, by the way.

[Andrew Colvett]

He's about five' five in person. I actually don't get mad. My wife bought me a ticket.

[Corey]

Sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

I went to the concert.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, this is how it's gonna be.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett]

She bought it for me as a perfect. I did not go to a ticket. Can we rush Prince?

[Daisy]

Is that Jack Bryan number one fan shirt?

[Andrew Colvett]

We need this. I. I do not have that. I.

[Daisy]

That's why we have to make it.

[Andrew Colvett]

The first thing that I saw when I. So I enter the arena and he's. It's kind of done in the round, so he kind of moves around. He kind of points to all. Yeah, all directions. And the first thing I noticed is that he had heels like, on his shoes like this. Like they were like Bono heels. He used to do that too. And he's legit. He's just a very tiny person. He pro. I mean, 5, 4, 5, 5.

[Mikey McCoy]

Was it hard to see him from.

[Andrew Colvett]

The crowd, even with the stage? So why do we think he's a bad person? I don't understand.

[Corey]

Well, I.

[Andrew Colvett]

Cause he. Well, I do. Could the women be extorting him? I don't know that I trust this stuff. I'm just being honest.

[Mikey McCoy]

I know.

[Corey]

I think there's enough.

[Daisy]

Well, they clearly weren't extorting him because they turned down the money.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, he always starts fights with cops when they're literally being so chill with him.

[Blake Neff]

He.

[Mikey McCoy]

Morgan Wallen.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, sorry.

[Corey]

No, no. Zach.

[Andrew Colvett]

He got arrested for interfering with a traffic stop. And he told the officer, I'm just 20. I'm just a 27 year old kid, man. Okay.

[Corey]

Yeah, he. I think he. It's pretty well known that he's not the Best guy. He's also pretty liberal. Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Corey]

And so I also.

[Andrew Colvett]

So he has comments, though. He's commented on this.

[Corey]

Well, we have Kristi Noem responding to it. That's 114 if we want to play that.

[Guest/Commentator]

I hope he understands how completely disrespectful that song is. Not just to law enforcement, but to this country, to every single individual that has ever stood up and fought for our freedoms. He just compromised it all by putting out a product such as that that attacks individuals who are just trying to make our streets safe. So, Zach, I didn't listen to your music. I'm happy about that today. That makes me very happy that I know never once gave you a single penny to enrich your lifestyle if you truly believe what that song stands for. But I am going to go out and probably download some Jason Aldean songs, John Rich songs, Kid Rock, Hardy Kid Rock.

[Charlie Kirk]

Any of those guys.

[Guest/Commentator]

Those guys know what it means to stand up for freedom.

[Corey]

Okay, so you can't say the same thing that Christine Ohm said that she's never given a penny to Zach Brian for him.

[Andrew Colvett]

I can't say it. Sorry.

[Corey]

Zach Bryan.

[Daisy]

My wife say all of you are less pure than me because you had heard of Zach Bryan.

[Guest/Commentator]

That is true.

[Corey]

No, he is incredibly talented.

[Andrew Colvett]

I can't believe you guys know who.

[Daisy]

Zach Ryan is when he's.

[Andrew Colvett]

My wife is like, we're going to a country. We're going to a country.

[Corey]

No, he concert.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's what I thought.

[Corey]

He's very famous for a reason. He's really, really an amazing.

[Andrew Colvett]

So he responds, though.

[Corey]

He responded and said that this song is actually about his love for the country and anyone that's using it as a weapon proves how divided we all truly are.

[Daisy]

He posted it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, that's the end of our pop culture power half hour.

[Corey]

Let us know what you think about ZACH Bryan.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Freedomarliekirk.com and send us who you want to see at the halftime show. The all American halftime show.

[Corey]

I don't think Zach Bryan will want.

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't think Zach Bryan's gonna make it. Talk to you soon.

[Blake Neff]

For more on many of these stories.

[Mikey McCoy]

And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.