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The Most Comprehensive Explanation of the NSA's Spy Operation on Tucker Carlson
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Hey everybody, this is producer Andrew, Andrew Colvett filling in for Charlie Kirk. He'll be back tomorrow, never fear. We talk about the NSA spying operation on Tucker Carlson and not only that, guys, we go not just a level deeper, we go like five levels deeper. We break down the history of the FISA courts. We explain where it came from, how we got here, the court rulings back and forth. Edward Snowden, patriot Act, the USA Freedom act of 2015, which very few people probably know about. How all this is combined into a court ruling in 2020 and what that says about metadata and mass surveillance in the nsa, it's crazy. It's out of control. We're here. We're keeping the lid on it, folks. We need to raise our voices loudly and proudly and boldly and not let these people get away with it. Guys, this is a very, very important episode. Please tune in. And by the way, if you're not subscribed to the Charlie Kirk show, please subscribe. Check it out. Subscribe, press subscribe, and then guess what? Do one step more. Leave a five star review. Leave us a comment. It means the world to us, helps us in the rankings, make sure more people can find the show. We're honored that you have spent your time with us in the past. We are honored that you're going to do it in just a second. So don't go anywhere. Buckle up, here we go.
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this is Andrew Colvett filling in for the one and only Charlie Kirk. He'll be back tomorrow. Honored to be with you all. I am also known as producer Andrew. I get the honor of sitting behind the microphone and speaking with all of you from time to time when necessity calls. When. When. Charlie, schedule gets too Unmanageable, even for him. Anyways, we are very honored to be with you. As I promised, we are going to cover the explosive claims made by Tucker Carlson last night that he is being spied on by the nsa. Now, when this story, when, when his show concluded, all I saw last night was links and articles to this and that, like Tucker Carlson exposed the NSA or unfounded claims, conspiracy, this, that and the other. Very interesting back and forth. Let's go ahead and play cut 41. This is Tucker in his own words talking about what's going on with the NSA and his show.
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But it's not just political protesters the government is spying on. Yesterday we heard from a whistleblower within the US Government who reached out to warn us at the nsa, the National Security Agency is monitoring our electronic communications and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take the show off the air. The whistleblower, who is in a position to know, repeated back to us information about a story that we are working on that could have only come directly from my texts and emails. There is no other possible source for that information, period.
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So Tucker is basically saying he's got a very good source that has a whistleblower. By the way, notice the use of the language whistleblower. This is a term that the left has perfected. Whistleblower. Tucker's expertly using language to counter what the left often does. Right. He's saying it's a whistleblower. This is a good guy. This is one of the good guys. He came to me, he said that they're spying on you and your show. Tucker confirms the emails. Tucker confirms the information that is being conveyed to him by the whistleblower and is saying that he has independently corroborated this, that this is the only way that this guy could have this information, as if they were spying on me personally. Now, that is very troubling information. If you were an American citizen, you would think that your own would not be spying on you because it's in the Constitution. So I want to go back through how we got here, why what Tucker saying is actually plausible. And. And then we're going to loop back around and explain what to do next. Okay, so what we know is that this seems like a viable idea. This seems plausible. Even the National Review, which is no Tucker fan, often comes to blows with Tucker on a lot of different ideas, is saying this is sadly very plausible. Okay, so the Fourth Amendment. Let's do a little Constitution 101 here. I'm going to read it to you. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated. And no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. So right at the beginning, big note this is. It says to American citizens that you are protected by this amendment, this by the Fourth Amendment. Foreign nationals are not. Okay. So Jen Psaki is giving, I think she's speaking with a pool on Air Force One at the moment, saying, as everybody knows, the NSA only searches and spies on foreign nationals. Well, all you have to do really quickly is a quick Google search about federal government spying on journalists. And you get the Committee to Protect Journalists saying the NSA puts journalists under a cloud of suspension suspicion. You get the ACLU saying our rights are under attack, that they are. Enough spying on journalists. No more spying on journalists. Basically, article after article after article. Now some are accusing the Trump administration of spying on five journalists. That would not be right either. Surveillance of CNN journalists. We've seen the Obama administration target FOX journalists. This is something that's happening. So Jen Psaki can say that the NSA only spies on foreign nationals and that this is not a thing and that Tucker Carlson is a conspiracy nut. We know that this is happening. We've seen reports of it time and time again. And by the way, every time it happens to somebody on the left at cnn, msnbc, even though CNN is a objective news source, they don't editorialize at all. Oh, by the way, one good piece of news. Jake Tapper's ratings are down 75%. 75%. That's, that's like, hard to pull off. I mean, that's a, that's a plummet if I've ever seen one. But anyways, if it happens to the left, they freak out. Bunch of pushback. Because a national news story for days and weeks and months ahead and they end up pushing back and getting some results out of it. When it happens to a conservative like Tucker Carlson, they will say, well, hmm, they probably. He probably had it coming. He probably had it coming. I'm gonna get into why they probably think that in just one second. So the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable. It's a protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. Generally, if you're going to go against that requires a permission from a judge or a magistrate. It's a check and balance system. So you need two of the three branches to essentially agree for that to happen and to agree that it's necessary and lawful to Search somebody. So if the nsa, which is part of the executive branch, wants to spy on an American citizen, remember, non citizens do not have the fourth Amendment protection in theory. And this is where NSA and the FBI would come into, into play. So it could be that FBI, we're not sure how all of the inner workings of the intel community work. You would need to go to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, fisc, also known as fisa, which became very famous during the Trump administration. We all know that the court was established and authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act of 1978, the FISA act, to oversee requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law enforcement. So the NSA and the FBI are the two agencies that appear most in front of the FISA court. So, but here's what's crazy and this is one of the reforms that very much needs to happen. And even Lindsey Graham, Senator Lindsey Graham said he was for reforming this process when it came, when it became very apparent with Trump that it's being abused. Now Lindsey Graham is somebody who obviously is on our list today because he's, and he's on our, our bad list. It's not like a, you know, you know, media matters, okay? It's not on some like, you know, hit list. He's just, he's being, he's negotiating with Joe Biden and now he's like the FISA court, you know, lead cheerleader. Well, here's the reason it's bad because over the 34 year period from 1978 to 2012, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants. How many did they deny? 12. That's a rejection rate of 0.03%. It's basically a rubber stamp. You're like, ah, we're gonna go surveil X person because he's, you know, connected some foreign intelligence ring and we are going to get approved. There's only 12 denials in that time period. So in 2016, of the 1752 applications received, the FISA court denied just nine, less than 1% of all applications received. So this is obviously a problem. So this 2016, by the way, is of note because the FBI obtained a secret court order to monitor the communications of a former adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump. Then in 2016, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign. When you take all of this into consideration, you realize that it's not unreasonable to believe that the NSA could have made a request justified by the National Security Council's released their newly released National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism guidelines. So what is this? And this is why I think that they have looped Tucker Carlson into all this USRMV e's this is from that the strategy for countering domestic terrorism terrorism is direct quote RMVE's racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists I. E. All of the MAGA people who promote the superiority of the white race are the DVE domestic violent extremist actors with the most persistent and concerning transnational connections. Because individuals with sexual similar ideological beliefs exist outside of the United States and these RMVE frequently communicate and seek to influence each other. We assess that a small number of US RMVE's again racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists have traveled abroad to network with like minded individuals. So the tie ins that the DNI Director of National Intelligence makes with travel abroad seems to indicate that the government agencies have used have used that as a justification for wiretaps and surveillance domestically. Now if you've been paying attention to the news, you will see very clearly that the number one accusation leveled against Tucker Carlson is that he is a radical, racist, white supremacist, apologist, a dog whistleblower. So it is not beyond the pale with all of the connections and all the different people that Tucker Carlson talks to that the NSA could have used this as an excuse to spy on Tucker Carlson. It's important to understand what capabilities that they have here. The NSA the NSA was established in 1952 by Harry S. Truman. In general, it's responsible for collecting, processing and disseminating intelligence information from foreign electronic signals for national, foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes and to support military operations. Okay, we're all on board with that. Obviously we don't want foreign spies getting away with anything and we want to be able to surveil them. Back in 1973. We're going back to the 70s here. A landmark ruling in U.S. versus U.S. district Court. The Supreme Court unanimously nine to nothing held the government must comply with the Fourth Amendment when surveilling an alleged domestic intelligence threat. In 1975, the Church Committee a bipartisan Senate investigation stemming from Watergate. Okay, we're talking Nixon years. Led by Senator Frank Church finds the NSA and other intelligence agencies under Nixon engaged in a massive domestic spying program targeting anti war presters, civil rights activists, mlk, anybody and political opponents. Church remarked that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left. Such is the capability to monitor everything telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide. No place to hide. This is Orwell, folks, orwell said. The only place you would have free is that small little corner of your mind which you did not disclose to anybody. That would be your last realm of freedom. So let's fast forward all of this 23 years. September 12, 2001 Ex NSA analyst J. Kirk Wiebe recalls everything changed at the NSA after the attacks of September 11th. The prior approach focused on complying with Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act. The post September 11th approach was that NSA could circumvent federal statutes and the Constitution as long as there was some visceral connection to looking for terrorists. Another analyst remembers, the individual liberties preserved in the US Constitution were no longer a consideration at the nsa.
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Rockauto.com September 11, 2001 Everything changed. The Fourth Amendment was basically thrown out the window. Bush the Bush administration, backed by the Patriot act, essentially allowed the NSA to collect telephone content, Internet content, telephone metadata, Internet metadata according to the nsa. It wrongly thought that the authorization under Bush allowed for the collection of solely domestic US Communications. The NSA retained process, analyzed and disseminated intelligence from these four types of data. So the Patriot act gets signed on October 26, 2001. And so now we have the USA Patriot Act. In 2004, the New York Times reported, the National Security Agency first began to conduct warrantless eavesdropping on telephone calls and email messages between the United States and Afghanistan, months before President Bush officially authorized a broader version of the agency's special domestic collection program. According to current and former government officials, Bush confirmed the existence of the Security Agency's domestic intelligence collection program and and defended it, saying it had been instrumental in disrupting terrorist cells in America. So this is the justification for it. Domestic terrorism or foreigners in our own borders. USA Today confirms it in a report in 2006 that this is happening domestically. That confirms the Patriot act is the sort of the backbone for all of this. In 2008, Obama takes office, stops the searching of the call in the calling of record information collected using Section 215 of the Patriot Act. The NSA at that point must now seek court approval to query the metadata on a case by case basis, except where necessary to protect against imminent threat to human life. In 2012, the Director of National Intelligence who oversees the all of these intelligence agencies admits in a letter to Senator Ron Wyden that on at least one occasion the FISA court found that minimizing procedures used by the government while conducting surveillance under FISA was, quote, unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment. So now we have senators saying that these domestic searches and surveillance are absolutely happening and they're violation of the Fourth Amendment. Nevertheless, it continues. The program continually gets reauthorized by Congress, namely because people like Senator Lindsey Graham are all about it. So all of this changed in 2013. We reached a massive, massive turning point with the NSA spying operation and what had been disclosed when Edward Snowden became the NSA whistleblower. That word again. We love whistleblowers, apparently. I mean, if the Democrats can do it, why can't we Whistleblow? Okay, Edward Snowden, by the way, Edward Snowden, for all intents and purpose, is a civil libertarian. I mean, that's what drove his whistleblowing, right in July. So NSA Director Keith Alexander initially estimated that Edward Snowden had copied anywhere from 50,000 to 200,000 NSA documents. However, later that estimate was upped to 1.7 million documents, a number that originally came from the Department of Defense talking points. In July of 2014, the Washington Post reported on a cash previously provided by Snowden from domestic NSA operations consisting of roughly 160,000 intercepted emails and instant message conversations, some of them hundreds of pages long and 7900 documents taken from more than 11,000 online accounts. 11,000 folks. A US Defense Intelligence Agency report declassified in 2015 said that Snowden took 900,000 Department of Defense files, more than he downloaded from the nsa. So you've got leaked documents from all over the place. Edward Snowden blowing the lid on this entire operation. In 2013, Snowden claimed in a Guardian report, I, sitting at my desk, could wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge or even the president if I had a personal email. It was revealed that the NSA was harvesting millions of emails and instant messaging contact, searching email content, tracking and mapping the location of cell phones, undermining attempts at encryption, which we are all very well aware of. So if you are listening to this and you're on the Telegram app, they can absolutely hack Telegram. If you're on Signal. Some people say it's more secure. I'm sure they've hacked that as well. And that the agency was using cookies to piggyback on the same tools that advertisers on the Internet use to track you, the same tools that advertising agencies and marketing agencies use to track your behavior online to sell you products. So, by the way, if you're listening to this right now, go to expressvpn.com charlie. That's expressvpn.com charlie dot hide your online activity. More important now than ever. This whole segment should make you very well aware of that. So Snowden basically blows the lid off all this domestic surveillance happening underneath all of our noses. And he discloses these documents, he flees the US and he said nothing would stop subsequent disclosures. So Snowden is a man on a mission. He's disclosing this. Obama administration tries to put him in jail, in prison on June 14, 2020. The charges filed in the criminal complaining at Snowden are theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information, willful communication of classified intelligence information to an unauthorized person.
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Each of these carries like 10 years in prison. The criminal complaint was initially secret, but it was later unsealed. If you're thinking, I've seen Edward Snowden, well, it's because he fled to Russia, which I don't know if that helps this case or not. Snowden in Russia has been on the run. He sometimes does interviews with different people. I think he's done. I think Sean Hannity traveled to Russia and spoke with, with Edward Snowden. So at the end of the year, on December 16, 2013. So we're still back in this timeframe, 2012, 2013, 2014. But this is December 16, 2013. Federal Judge Richard Leon holds that the bulk telephony metadata collection and analysis almost certainly does violate a reasonable expectation of privacy, which in turn likely results in a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So back to the Constitution. This is the Fourth Amendment, very important. It's supposed to protect us from these searches and seizures unreasonably without a warrant, as our founders intended. And yet the founders had no way to anticipate the size of this intelligence apparatus that we would one day in the starting in really the post World War II era begin to construct. It's the same when we talk about Google. The founders had no way to understand that a private entity like Google or Facebook, because it could grow to such an enormous size that it could become more powerful than the US Government. Well, in the same way, when they're talking about the Fourth Amendment, they said search and seizure, which should by an umbrella sort of general understanding of what that means to our privacy. Had they known, had they been living in this era, they would have certainly said the intelligence apparatus of the United States government could not unreasonably be used to collect all this metadata. Nevertheless, this has been an ongoing back and forth. Now in 2013, federal judge Richard Leon seems to affirm that the Fourth Amendment does cover this and does protect us. But nevertheless, on January 3, 2014, okay, so we get from December 16, the year rolls over. We're now in 2014, January 3, a FISA court renews order collecting all Americans call in records. This is unelected, this is unaccountable, and this is out of control surveillance. So you got a judge saying, hey, this violates your Fourth Amendment. Nevertheless, FISA court renews order collecting America's calling records. So this all goes on until June 2015. Section 215 of the Patriot act continued to be renewed. So it was going to be temporarily expired on June 1, 2015. And then Congress acted and the Senate passed the USA Freedom act, which attempts to end the bulk collection of calling records under section 215 of the Patriarch, by limiting collections to instances where there is, quote, reasonable articulable suspicion that a, quote, specific selection term used to request call detail records is associated with international terrorism. So they're trying again to link this domestic surveillance to. They're trying to narrow the scope and say it has to be tied to international terrorism. The passage of USA Freedom in June of 2015 marks the first time in over 30 years that both houses of Congress approved a bill placing restrictions and oversight on the NSA surveillance powers. Because that's a big deal. 2015, Obama, okay, whatever. It actually curtailed some of the powers. So just to recap, we've got the NSA, we've got 1978 creating the FISA court. You're supposed to get a warrant. 911 happens. They basically throw out the Fourth Amendment out the window. You've got the growing intelligence apparatus sweeping up metadata and individual calls, especially after 9 11, bolstered by the Patriot Act. You've got lawsuits really starting in earnest in 2009 to say this is illegal, this is an affront to the fourth Amendment, this is unconstitutional, what you're doing to domestic citizens. And you've got Edward Snowden in 2012 blowing the lid off of this. You've got a judge in 2014 essentially saying that this is likely a violation of the Fourth Amendment. And then you've got this new bill in 2015 that actually gets passed through Congress that puts limiting and restriction restricting measures on the NSA's ability to sweep up Americans domestic communications. And again it says you need a specific selection term, reasonable articulable suspicion to request call detail records in association with international terrorism. So it's putting these, these boundaries on it. Finally in 2015, this is the USA Freedom Act. So it's the first time in over 30 years that both houses approved a bill restricting and placing oversight on the national security, on the National Security Agency surveillance powers. Okay, so this is important why? Because in 2015 that bolstered the legal complaints against the NSA's spying apparatus. This has been litigated in the courts over and over and over again. People have tried to win these court cases in order to restrict the power of the NSA. So in September of 2020, an important event happened at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. In September 2020, the court was hearing a case that dealt with the NSA's program that swept up details on all of these phone calls. And it said that, and this is again metadata. So you gotta, you gotta take an individual case versus metadata. So in September 2020 they finally said the metadata this large sweep up was unconstitutional and that it did not amount to a search under a 40 year old legal precedent. Okay, so they said that it has to be narrow in scope according to 2015 law. And in 2020 they finally said that this broad sweeping up of all this metadata was illegal. But the court stopped short of saying that the snooping was definitely unconstitutional. Okay, so they stopped short. Which means that where we're left with is this idea that the NSA can still snoop on domestic people, on citizens, if they can say in plausible terms that it is connected to international terrorism. Now we know that with the Biden administration there has been this renewed focus, doggedly would say pathologically on domestic terrorism based on ethnic radicalism and white supremacy.
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so where does that leave us? It leaves us with the fact that the dni, who's in charge of all of our intelligence agencies is creating a pretext under this rmve, and we talked about this earlier, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists who support the superiority of the white race that they, they call this the most persistent and concerning transnat concerning issue facing our country. And they, the transnational connections that they have tend to happen because they are connected internationally. Right. So they're saying that these RMVE's, these racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists are connected internationally and that is the pretext for spying on them. So I go back to the fact that the court has stopped short of calling this domestic surveillance unconstitutional, even though it clearly is an affront to the fourth Amendment and has tried to place restrictions on this. But the NSA is still able to to spy. Now again, who has Tucker Carlson texted with? Called, emailed? We don't know. Of course we don't know and we shouldn't know. It's his own private business. We should not know. But I can almost guarantee that that is the pretext for which the NSA used to get a warrant, if they even did, to spy on Tucker Carlson. So who's a white supremacist? Who's a violent extremist? We don't know. The Biden administration probably thinks that the show is the Biden administration probably thinks that the station that you listen to the Charlie Kirk show on in your car is a violent extremist organization. The Biden administration probably thinks that a Christian church that believes in traditional marriage is a violent extremist organization. This is an affront to a traditional way of life. If you hold to the permanent, if you hold to ancient principles, if you hold to an ancient faith, the Biden administration has you in their crosshairs. They have targeted you. They say that you are part of a violent extremist network. And if you text with them, if you email with people that they have on their list, then you will have your communication swept up in a intelligence apparatus the likes of which our founders would be turning over in their grave if they knew about. Folks, Tucker Carlson is probably and absolutely being surveilled. And I just want to one little, one little flashback here. One little flashback. I'm going to play cut 43. This is Senator, this is Senator Chuck Schumer. Then talk, talking about then President elect President Trump in 2016 warning him not to take on the surveillance state. Let's play cut 43 shots.
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This antagonism is taunting to the intelligence community. You take on the intelligence community, they have so six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this.
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Never forget Senator Chuck Schumer warned President Trump not to take on the surveillance and the surveillance state, the intelligence community because why they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. He's being really dumb to do this. And since the Biden administration who has been person number one, the target number one that they want to get, they want to take out, they want to destroy, that would probably be Tucker Carlson. So are they spying on Tucker Carlson? It's absolutely plausible. It's something for us all to keep in mind as we attempt to push back and tell the truth about what's going on in this country. Thanks so much everybody for listening. What a messed up little puzzle that was. But this is Washington. We are happy to unpack it for you. We hope you got a lot out of it. In the meantime, please consider supporting the show. CharlieKirk.com support and don't forget, we got a big event coming up in Tampa Bay, Florida, July 17th through the 20th. That's the Student Action Summit. You can expect five to seven thousand students. We're selling adult VIP tickets as well. Check it out. TPUSA.comSass SAS we got a star studded lineup coming up. Be there July 17th through the 20th. It's going to be amazing. I will be there. Hopefully we can meet. All right, until next time everybody. Charlie's back tomorrow. We hope you enjoy it. Talk soon. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk. Com.