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The Pennsylvania State Senator Who Might Have Saved America with Sen. Doug Mastriano
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Hey everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk show, the incredible Doug Mastriano, state senator from Pennsylvania, who has started a nationwide movement for state legislators to hold hearings and possibly withhold electors in this process of the obvious fraud and the theft of our election. Please email us your questions. Freedom charliekirk.com if you want to support us, you can go to charliekirk.com support and if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war, go to tpusa.com that's tpusa.com State Senator Doug Mastriano is here. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Thank you, Charlie for having me on in these really strange times that we live.
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No kidding. Well, you are one of the few state senators in both Pennsylvania and the country that have been speaking out about the voter fraud and the irregularities that are happening in our country. Just introduce yourself to our audience, talk about what's happening in Pennsylvania, and then we'll go from there.
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So all I want to do all my life was be in the army. I remember as young as five years old, sitting at the feet of my uncle Joe, who served on Patton's third Army. And, you know, love stories like, you know, I owe my country something. I know this might sound a little bit red, white and blue, but it is. So. I served my country from almost my entire adult life, starting off in the iron Curtain, East Germany, Czechoslovakian borders, Desert Storm, to liberate Kuwait, and many assignments and deployments, Afghanistan. And so about three years ago, it was time for me to retire and hit my mandatory retirement. And you know, most, most colonels and generals, they fade off into the sunset, get that good, sweet federal job because there's a lot of credentials you have, and you just r off into the sunset. And you know, we had similar offers, but we felt I was having a hard time leaving the army, as you can imagine, since so much of me was wrapped up into that, my identity and everything that I've done. And I was really having a struggle with the realization that I was handing off to the next generation, my country less good, less secure, less prosperous than how my dad's generation gave it to me. And I really struggle with that. And, you know, I was going through some, you know, remorse on what was all that sacrifice about all the years away from home and, you know, what have we done? We fumbled the ball and as I was complaining, this one of many times this young man who's about to interview me on the radio, he looked over at me and I was a month away from retirement. And he said, colonel, do something about it. And I'm like, that really hit me to the quick because it's so easy to castigate, you know, politicians in Harrisburg or Washington D.C. you know, all the cliches, they're all corrupt, you know, and all that nonsense. It's. Thankfully, that's not true. But the fact is, if you see a problem, Christians do something about it. And so we stepped forth. It's kind of a long tail. I'm not gonna go through it all. But in the end, you know, God got me into the Senate seat and little did I know, would I know a year and a half later that in that Senate seat that I'm fighting for the very life of a republic,
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when you have single handedly changed the tone in our country. Talk about what you are doing to fight to expose electoral voter fraud and just give our audience an understanding of the position that you are in in Pennsylvania.
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So I represent south central Pennsylvania, which beautifully and ironically includes Gettysburg, the famous battlefield, of course, from 1863. And it is humbling to represent that entire historic area, whether it was a new birth of freedom fought for with 50,000 casualties. So we all went through the election, you know, and we had our ups and downs. And three weeks on, we're still here hearing the left tell us, basically, sit down, shut up, accept the results and move on. And I'm thinking back in 2000, you know, Bush v. Gore. We were told, be patient. There's a process, you know, one county, one state, and we're seeing allegations of extensive fraud in six states across the nation, and especially Pennsylvania, of all places. And I'm like wondering, where is the media with their intellectual curiosity, where are they going after and looking for eyewitnesses instead of saying they're not substantiated, there's nothing there, move on. And so finally, last Tuesday, I got together with some of my colleagues, especially Senator Argon, and I said, we got to hold a hearing and my committee really is not quite a good fit for this kind of hearing. And I asked him to chair this on behalf of Pennsylvania. And let's bring in some good witnesses and let's just get the facts. We're just after facts, what happened. And we had a three and a half hour hearing that was exposed to the entire world and it changed the entire mood and tide of the nation, ironically, in Gettysburg, once again,
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that is so incredible. And now we are seeing other states follow suit. We are seeing Arizona and we're seeing Michigan also start to call hearings. Can you talk about what happened in the hearing that was hosted just a week ago, what was discovered and what was discussed? And I want to get into some of the specifics here in Pennsylvania.
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So of course we had opening remarks from Mayor Giuliani leading the defense team, which makes sense, let them make their case. Because we had opening arguments, you know, two weeks ago, of course, publicly, but really not drilling down to the specificity of Pennsylvania and other states. And he laid out a pretty compelling and convincing case. And then following right behind him, and it was not witnesses. I handpicked. I did not review the files, although they were thrown in about 500 affidavits. I didn't hand take anybody said. I just, I just want to see some of the strongest witnesses and hear what they have to say. And it was a stunning tale of corruption, of eyewitnesses of voter fraud, of disenfranchisement, of suppression and violations of voting law, for instance. Transparency is paramount to any republic. We know that it might sound passe, but if democracy, you know, we're a republic, but I'll use the left term. Democracy dies in darkness. That's a cliche they once used a couple years ago in the Washington Post. Yes, it can die in darkness when there's no transparency, accountability. So for instance, we have at least 700,000 votes that were processed in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh without a Republican in the room to make sure the votes were viable and legal. So what do you do in a situation? So that's how democracy dies. We had one case where we had a data analyst, ironically, another retired army colonel, formerly with the top secret clearance, as I had, and he looked a similar case where about there was a couple surges of data dumps of ballots being dumped into the system. And he looked at two or three surges where it was about 600,000 votes and about 570,000 of those went solely for Biden, which statistically is almost impossible. And you should have heard the gasp in a room when that data point came out.
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Incredible. Can you tell us more of this? Just dive deeper into the specifics. Not everyone saw the hearing. I know that it's quite notorious now, but can you just dive through some of. Just walk us through, I should say, some of the specifics that were also discussed. And also would a lot of the stuff have been revealed if it wasn't for the hearing?
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And that's just the thing, you know. So the media wants to discount any allegations of fraud and abuse because they're happy with the outcome, obviously. And I'm like, if you really are a journalist, media do your jobs. And that's why I was pretty indignant at the end. I'm like, here's the witnesses, media. You should have found these guys, not me. Where have you been? Instead of, you know, running circles and victory laps around everybody out there and telling us to shut up and sit down in color. And there obviously is evidence of shenanigans and why did we step in? And I'll answer your question directly in a second. So I stepped in because obviously we're co. Equal members of this government, although sometimes we don't act like it. But the General assembly, the House, the Senate, we're co equals together, of course, with the governor and the judicial branch. And we asked the governor to do something about the allegations. And since he's happy with the results. He said, nope, no evidence of fraud. I'm going to certify the election and move on. And his Secretary of state, Kathleen Boockvar, and of course, our governor is Tom Wolf. Never was a governor more appropriately named. And his Secretary of State was Kathleen Boockvar, and she echoed his comments. I'm going to certify the elections, and I don't believe there was substantial fraud or cheating for anybody, if Republican or Democrat. Just to write off allegations of fraud and abuse here is sickening to me because I don't look at things with partisan eyes, and obviously they do. And then finally you think, what about our Attorney General, Josh Shapiro? He all. But actually he declared Biden the victor before one vote was counted. So within that framework of corruption and a lack of accountability, that's where I said, we need to hold a hearing and find out what the heck happened and give the people of Pennsylvania a chance to hear this and let the chips fall where they may. So we had about 13 eyewitnesses come up because we couldn't get them all, obviously, but we hit 13 key witnesses. One of them, of course, was a poll watcher. You probably saw the video. He's outside of Poland, Philadelphia. He has his little yellow card, yellow for Republicans in Philadelphia. That means he was certified and trained. He can go to any polling station he wants in the city. And you see two people come out and say, you can't come in here. Well, here's my card. And they, like, try to take it from him. Of course, smartly, he keeps it. And, oh, that's not good for this polling station. He's like, look right here. It's good for all of Philadelphia. And then finally, one of the gentlemen got into his face, was threatening to physically harm him. Of course, law enforcement was called and they're like, we're not coming. And so Republicans were pushed out from observing what was going on behind closed doors. And like, nothing bad to see here. In other cases here, there's. There's eyewitness accounts of lack of chain of custody. You know, bags and bags and. And pallet loads of ballots showing up there, and nobody knows from where they came. And so obviously, chain of custody is a big deal with any legal documents. And I mean, I don't know how much you want to dive in here, but there's.
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I want to dive into all of it. Yeah.
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Okay, let me get my old man glasses on here and give you the fact. So John Adams, of course, Adams county and Gettysburg's named after him, because facts are stubborn things. And here's a lot of stubborn things coming up right now. So, of course, Giuliani talked about the lack of accountability and processing of about 700,000 ballots. And, you know, what do you do with the accountability when there's no oversight? If you think about Bush v. Gore, 2000, when we were told to be patient for 37 days, remember that? And then, but of course, the hanging chads, and there was a Republican Democrat right there behind the guy, you know, one cross eyed guy trying to look at the chads, whether he was a Bush or Gorvo, there was none of you would think after such a painful lesson in 2000, 20 years ago, we've had this nailed down, but the corruption's gotten out of control. And so there has been almost 700,000 ballots. There was nobody from the other party there to make sure that the ballots received were legal votes or were they just batched together and printed in some back room? And so let's go on here. Justin Kouider, an attorney and also a canvasser and observer in Philadelphia, he saw the Philadelphia Board of Elections processing hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots with zero civilian oversight. In other cases, we tried to bring in the owners of Dominion. 14 of 67 Pennsylvania counties used Dominion machines. It was infamous voting machines. And the morning of the hearing, my colleagues in the House were all good to go. They're ready to get the facts. And guess what? Dominion said, nope, we're not coming. And we hired attorneys to tell you why we can't come. And so Dominion said, we refuse to be accountable to a customer on whether our machines are safe and secure. That's all we wanted to know. Are they fail safe? Is there a way they can be programmed or reprogrammed or changed? Are the outcomes altered as we know they can be? So that's another piece of interesting information. It took three days. It took three days in Philadelphia for some ballot processing plans to allow back in observers. So observers were kicked out on election day, election night, when they started counting and they were told, you can't come in, the Republicans went to a judge, a judge said, you have to let them in. And they refused for 72 hours. And so when you wonder, when we went to bed late on 3 November, when Trump was up 700,000, and the next day it was almost gone. That's how that happens in darkness, without transparency or accountability or any oversight here. Because we have no idea what happened in that three day window, especially in the case of Philadelphia. And there's also similar examples in, of course, Allegheny county, which is Pittsburgh. And our data analyst looked at the three spikes. I'm going to give you details on that. So he said out of 600,000 votes dumped into a machine, it was his three spikes. I believe it was. He said 570,000 of those went for Biden and the remaining 32,000 for Trump. Statistically impossible. Could you imagine flipping a quarter almost 600,000 times and almost every time it comes up heads, really? I mean, I may have been, I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. I just don't buy this here. Gary Feldman, who was a poll watcher and all the testimony is posted on my page here. So I'd ask people out there, if you have trouble believing it, Missouri, show me. Go ahead and listen to the testimony yourself. Make your own decision because it's very compelling. But anyway, he had a certificate and of course he was denied access to be a poll watcher, although he was trained and certified and they refused to let him in. What are they trying to hide there, really? This is the kind of stuff that you hear about, you know, in Belarus under Lukashenko or Putin's Russia or Saddam Hussein's, but this is America, Pennsylvania of all places. Elizabeth Friat, heavy, she's from Montgomery County. She was told that she could not review mail in ballots. She could not look at them as they're being dropped and counted really. So we had no idea if they were duplicates, if they had the proper date on them, if there was a stamp on them, if they're filled out correctly. And so this is why you see this magnificent, magical, miraculous turn of voting overnight against the president. And there's a similar testimony on and on. And I'm befuddled here that our governor and our leadership in his administration would stand aside and say there's nothing to see here.
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Yeah. And in your previous interview with Trafalgar Group, remember he told you that Trump needed 3 or 4% lead here to overcome the fraud in Pennsylvania. So it's a darn shame that we've come to the point that in Pennsylvania, we accept there's a 3 or 4% amount of fraud. But I believe that this is exceptionally higher because they had no idea that President Trump was going to do so well in the state, which explains the reset in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia when they stopped counting. And a few hours later, suddenly there's a surge of votes that come in for Biden. And so I think this, this overreaction by, by whoever was responsible for this has exposed a great level of deceit and cheating here. And so it's going to really be up in the end up to the Trump legal team here to make the case before the Supreme Court. And Charlie, the reason why I say that we have a 1994 precedent, this is interesting. You might not be aware of this, but in 1994, a Democrat state senator died in office out of Philly, and there was a special election. And in that area of the state, it's a foregone conclusion that the Democrats can win, you know, without any cheating. But they couldn't help themselves because the majority in the Senate was at stake. So they went above and beyond the call of duty to make sure this guy won overwhelmingly. Anyway, the Democrat won overwhelmingly and his name was Stinson sworn into office. The Republican who lost the seat in the Senate marks M A R K s. He did a lawsuit and he demonstrated extensive fraud and cheating. It was so bad that a federal district judge in 1994 removed the Democrat senator from office, put in the Republican who lost because he said the results were beyond so much corruption and deceit that there was no way to determine who the real winner was, but it was obviously rigged against the Republican. And so that was upheld by the third circuit in 1994. So if the Trump legal team can make such a similar case of similar extensive abuse and fraud, we do have an example where the US Supreme Court has a precedent. They may have to throw out the results in certain parts of the state.
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Wow, that's incredible. I have not heard anyone else mention that. And so can you talk about this new breaking news from Pennsylvania from Phil Klein and others, the corroborated eyewitness testimony, I'm not sure if you're briefed on this or not. The 130,000 or 280,000 completed ballots that were shipped from Bethpage, New York to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, have you heard about this?
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We did hear about it, yes.
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So is there any detail you could add or any context to that? Cuz it seems incredible and very much from a, you know, it's from an organization and from a person that is very evidence based.
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Yeah. So apparently there's several truck drivers who stepped up and actually we know the uncle of one of the truck drivers. It's kind of one of those weird small town stories. And we heard about this last week, actually last Wednesday after our hearing was not presented publicly. And this, if this data dump alone of truckloads of ballots, you know, showing up around the state here and drivers being told to leave their trailers behind, that alone could turn the outcome of the election because as it stands right now, of course Biden has 81,000 lead and they're talking about hundreds of thousands of ballots in the back of these trucks here. So this alone is earth shaking. In addition to all the facts I just went over with you and many more.
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Wow. It's incredible. And so can you talk about some remedies to all of this that might exist within the state legislature? What are you calling for the state Senate to do in Pennsylvania? More investigations, possibly withholding electors? What are some remedies here? Because people are growing increasingly frustrated with what they see.
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Yeah. So obviously there's several prongs here and I will restate. The most important prong, of course, is having a ruling in judgment in the US Supreme Court that the evidence is overwhelming from the Trump team. And yes, there was fraud at a great level in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh to compromise the election. Okay, now back on me. The General assembly, the House and Senate. So the House and Senate, we sadly live underneath some very large Byzantine rules. And right now we're at a session, our session. Our term expired last night. 11pm and we're scrambling with our leadership, trying to figure out our way constitutionally, how we get the new body in, which is. Which is actually a better thing because we have more Republicans. There was a red wave.
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Isn't that amazing? So, wait, so Trump did very. There was Republicans that won all over Pennsylvania, is that right?
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That's a fact. We probably gained two in the Senate, probably gained about five or six in the House. And not only that, Charlie, but we also won two or three state seats, state seats that we haven't had in Pennsylvania since 1982.
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What areas of Pennsylvania was that in?
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So, mostly in the central and western part. And we also picked up some outside of Philly, but also two state seats. We picked up the treasurer.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Statewide seats. I'm sorry, okay.
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The treasurer and the inspector general, which is. Which is fantastic. Like I said, we haven't had those, you know, since 30, 40 years. But of course, Trump doesn't win, though. But we pick up seats everywhere else. But as far as the legislator, we got to get back in session and we need to move to nullify the certification from our secretary state. And then we need to exercise of the US Constitution, of course, the Article 212, which says that the state legislators are the final say on the electors that are selected. Sadly, In Pennsylvania in 1878, 1938, they delegated the powers over to the Secretary of state and the governor's office by default, saying whoever won the popular vote will pick the electors. Why a General assembly would hand their powers over to the governor's office, who already has a lot of power, defies reason here. So we have to look at a way. And how do you suspend that law? And we do have the power. Articles of suspension. We can, with a simple majority, suspend a law for a specific purpose. So we need to get back in and then suspend that law and then pick our own electors. Of course, you're going to see a similar case what happened in Florida 2000, where you have a set of Democrat and Republican electors, and then a Supreme Court is going to have to decide which ones go forth. That's exactly what we want to happen. We want to have the constitutional crisis for the judge, for a judge or the judges, of course, the Supreme Court come forward and say, yes, here's what we determine needs to happen. That's constitutional.
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So I'm still just very fascinated. The Republicans gained statewide offices. You guys gained state House seats and state Senate seats. Was there a drop off? Were there people that were only voting for Biden? Did you find that phenomenon where people just had single Biden and submitted their ballot. Is that why Republicans did so much better? What could the possible explanation for that? Be that they were Biden Republican down ticket voters? Really?
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Yeah. So apparently overwhelmingly, there was only time to fill in one circle on the ballots, and it was for the President, United States, for Biden. And can you imagine that? So this just shows you there's a lot of statistical anomalies in here by the tens of thousands.
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Yeah. And you said that Republicans picked up a seat in the Philadelphia suburban area, is that right?
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Yeah, we picked up seats all over the state in the House and said it. And thankfully there's still one seat being recounted outside of Pittsburgh. But they knocked out one Pittsburgh Allegheny county senator that she did quite well, actually, in her primary. I didn't think they could knock her out. So this just shows you if it's a free and fair election, the people might have a say that the rest of the folks didn't count on.
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So Sean Parnell is a great American and he has some similar complaints that he has been voicing. Are you aware of Sean Parnell's case or what he's been actually fighting for in western Pennsylvania at this moment?
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I am. And we did speak last night. And so his concern, of course, was voting reform act 77. And so the General assembly passed this act 77 voting reform in Pennsylvania's first reform of elections in like 25 years or something. What was implemented this year is nothing like what we voted on last year. So what happened? The law was passed, and then when the governor comes in with COVID uses federal money to perpetuate and compel people to do mail in balloting, and then also that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court rewrites our law, they take away all the safety guards that we had up, said they did not require signatures. Great. Okay. That's not asking for trouble. So there's no verification on these mailing ballots, didn't require a postage stamp. So we had no idea when they were mailed. And then they could be received and counted up to three days after the election. So you just see this entire law has caused a cataclysm in Pennsylvania. And I believe of the six legal cases that Trump team has around the nation, their case against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is the strongest because the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which is five to seven Democrat, rewrote. They did our job. They created and wrote law. That's my job, not theirs.
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So the issue right now is convening that special assembly or possibly getting new members Seated. And you're saying that it is gonna take some action from the U.S. supreme Court to try to help make this more possible from a legal standpoint, is that right? I just want our viewers to know what the steps are and what possibly their involvement should be and where they should focus their efforts and their attention.
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Yes. So just for clarity's sake, there's two prongs. We have, of course, the judicial side and then the legislative side. And, of course, I talked about, I think, pretty clearly what the Trump team needs to do as far as making a case for us to convene a special session. We have to ask the governor to call for it, and obviously, he has his hand in a cookie jar. He's not going to approve it for what we want to do to review election fraud and corruption. And so we're going to have to find a way to suspend existing law to bring ourselves in session to have the new legislative body sworn in, which won't be sworn in until the first of the year, sadly. And so we could do our work. And this is a tall order. I was on the phone last night with our Senate leadership, trying to find a way to maneuver through this whole process here. And I don't know that we have a clear path ahead, but I'm clearly not going to give up on this angle because we have a job to do, and we are in a national crisis, and we have to figure out a way through this byzantine process here to do our due diligence and our job.
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Yeah. The concern is that many years ago, these state legislatures gave up their power really kind of recklessly, I think, because now we have seen an erosion of what you can do. You should be able to have the power to seat different electors or have enough confidence. It's almost as if they put forward a system that in no way whatsoever could have a check on fraud. Is that right?
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Yeah, that's what it feels like. I mean, it's very frustrating. You know, the people of my state here feel like they've been cheated and they feel very helpless. And at times, I do feel that way as well, you know, because you look around here and you're thinking, who's in charge? Who in their right mind would take an entire body of the government and put us out of work for a month every two years? I mean, it's utter madness. I can't think of anyone in their right mind would disempower themselves other than a bunch of, you know, career politicians. So we got to get that power back. We need to fix it now, before it's too late.
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Yeah. So, you know, Charlie, I think one of the verses that we live by is, whatever you do in word and deed, do it as unto the Lord, right? So whatever you put your hands to, you know, whether it was Doug Mastrian or when he was a janitor as a young man or as a colonel or as a senator, you do the best you can with, with the position God has given you. And he says if you're faithful in small things, he'll make you faithful in large things. And I do remember I'm very well grounded because I remember, you know, I had about 100 toilets to clean every night. And I remember the guys in the suits coming in and looking down at me like, yeah, look, look at you. You know, your trash will never amount to anything. But I do remember what it says in First Corinthians 1:27. It says, God uses the foolish to confound the wise and the weak to confound the strong. So he's willing to use anybody who's willing and able to stand in the gap. And when he has a call on your life, I don't know what that call is. That's between you and him. But he has great Things more than you can imagine or think, according to Ephesians 3:20. So it's with that background and a life, basically accept the Lord. As a teenager and most of my life, of course, constantly hearing people suppressing my faith, you need to be less this, you need to be less Christian, less that, and just really tired of that. It's like, why can't I be who I want to be? I'm an American. And so, you know, of course Jesus said, in this world, you'll have tribulation. And although not enjoyable, it does sharpen you, it does build resolve and determination. So here I am, you know, enjoyed a long career in the army and had a good time doing what he was doing, but, you know, not without a lot of sacrifice and what have you. And so now here we are standing on the precipice here of our republic and wondering if it can long last. And I do take warnings and encouragement from our founding fathers and, you know, as you know so well, of course, Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia, 1787, coming out of the Constitutional Congress done in secrecy. The people didn't know what was going on. But he comes out of Carpenter's hall And there's a Mrs. Powell there, and she kind of, you know, ambushes him. We surmise that she knows him personally. She runs up to him and says, you know, almost in his face, well, Mr. Franklin, what do we have? A monarchy or republic? And of course, his words echo across the generations to us today. He said, republic, if you can keep it. And so we really are at a point in our nation. Can we keep this republic? Can it endure in the face of these atrocities and these abuse and fraud? And I say it has to, otherwise this last bastion of hope to mankind will be snuffed out.
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A
That's well said. And can you talk about your experience dealing with other countries and elections similar to this? And you see this kind of pattern that is now re emerging.
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B
So it's a bit intriguing to me because I started off my career, of course, studying the Soviet Union, being an army intelligence officer with the cavalry, and then, of course, working my way up through as a colonel, as a senior intelligence officer within NATO. NATO land headquarters in Heidelberg, Germany. So we spent 12 years out of the country. I've had several deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and also supported the missions in the Balkans and the Baltics, up by the Russian border and by Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. In the Balkans, of course, United nations, they had their great civil war, Yugoslavia fractured. Terrible things happened. The United nations was feckless. They enabled the murder of 5,000 Muslims of Srebrenica by doing nothing under General Moyong. And the United States finally stepped in with our NATO allies. We brought peace, we imposed peace. And then of course, we wanted free and fair elections. The United States, with our NATO allies spent millions of dollars to ensure safe and secure elections. More safe and secure than what we have in Pennsylvania. I supported missions and many of us supported missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll speak about mine in Afghanistan. To oversee the elections or participate in the security elections in Afghanistan. We want to ensure there was also free and fair elections in Afghanistan. And so the international community, led by the United States and NATO, we mandated ID cards be presented when you vote early on. And guess what? In Pennsylvania, no ID required. That's fantastic. You're just asking for trouble. And then when you voted in Afghanistan, also in Iraq, then we have people their finger in ink. Well, and they had an ink stained finger, you know, for a day, one person, one vote. We found out later that was a bad idea because Taliban looked for people with the ink paint stinger, of course, and murdered them. So I don't advocate what happened next, but let me show you the lengths that we've gone to ensure free and fair elections in a country devastated by war and conflict since 1979, since the Soviet invasion and all that following Afghanistan, third world war torn country, you know, devastated by atrocities. And their elections are more reliable than Pennsylvania. A German firm brought in retinal and facial and bio scans and they'd register people with IDs and put them in a database and they're one person, one vote. And we can't in Pennsylvania have even a semblance of a free, fair election where one person, one legal vote is happening. And this is sickening to me. Why do we move heaven and earth and on the four corners of the earth that ensure safe and fair elections, where every vote counts. Legal vote, one person, one legal vote. As opposed to what happens in Pennsylvania. Here we have no idea what happened and we have all these eyewitness accounts of shenanigans. It sounds like a third world backwater country or a tin pot dictator like in Belarus.
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A
Yeah, and this is the same sort of playbook where they delay the reporting of the elections, where they cover up all the evidence, they don't allow people to be investigated. And also something that is done in those countries, they have fake polls leading into them to try to mislead people so that when the result that they're actually manufacturing ends up occurring, people say, oh well, it Must be true. Cuz all the polls said it was gonna be true. The issue with their theft in this election is that none of the other state, local and other elections correlate with what they did. This looks like they were doing this so, so quickly, so last minute that it just exposed it even further. And you saw this in Pennsylvania. Everyone did well.
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B
Yeah. And they got reckless and sloppy. We all saw a red wave in Pennsylvania. When you have President Trump coming to Butler, Pennsylvania, and 57,000 people show up, I mean, that's like a Pope visiting a city. Right. And meanwhile, I watched Biden. I wasn't there physically. I watched the news clips and come to Gettysburg and he couldn't draw flies. I think he had 10 people charge them like 1600 bucks to be there. And not all the circles will fill. And that you can imagine if Biden could sweep Trump in the state where I would drive. Now, these are one offs and these are vignettes, but driving across my state here, we'd see two, 300 Trump flags or Trump signs and maybe one Biden flag or sign. And so all the anecdotal evidence was like, wow, there's a huge movement here. I saw it, I felt it. And we woke up the next morning and it was snatched away from us. And it doesn't make sense.
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A
No, not at all. So you're dealing with a lot of people that are contacting you, asking how they can help you actually being in the state legislative fight. Can you give us some insight into how you believe? What's the best way that patriots can stay engaged and involved at this moment? What can they do? Who can they support? What can they actually do to make a tangible difference at this point?
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B
Yeah. So the best bet is people in Pennsylvania. Contact your representatives and contact your state senators and ask them what they're going to do about this election in a fraud and are they going to try their darnest to get us back in the saddle here in December so we can have a say on which electors are selected? Look, we don't want to have our hand on the scale. We just want to know the truth. And if the election was so corrupted and broken by shenanigans, which there seems to be ample evidence of that, and if it's borne out by the Supreme Court, we need to do our jobs. We got a job to do and we can't stand aside, otherwise why even have a Senate? You know, it's funny, when you watch, you know, biblical movies of Jesus, you'll see, you know, Pontius Pilate Sitting there, you know, at his judgment seat and behind him are banners that say spqr, you know, the Senate and people of Rome. At that point in history, Rome was not a republic, but only a Republican name. Only we could have that same terrible legacy. If we abandon our republic right now and it's. We'll only have, you know, representatives and senators as a symbolic role, but really you'll have one party rule, and that's what happened in Rome. And God forbid that happens in modern day America.
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A
Yeah. Amen. So the last question I'll ask is, are you going to run for governor of Pennsylvania? I sure hope so.
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B
You know, even before this whole situation here, there's been a strong grassroots movement. And, you know, Charlie, I'm not a politician. I'm not going to give you a political answer because I'm tired of politics and politicians, by the way. But my view is, if we get the call from God, we're not going to stand away from our Esther moment. As scary as it might be, jumping in that fray for a giant state of 13 million, if we don't do our part, there's consequences to, you know, I think across the ages. Here's one struggle I have here is as American Christians, we're very. Not only passive, but we cop out. You know, we hear bad things going on and we wipe our hands in the air and say, well, it's God's will. And I ask people when they cop out like that, because that's a call to inaction. I hear you, and I'm not going to do anything about it. Nope. And guess what? What is God's will that none should perish, but all should come to salvation. So it's not his will for cheating corruption to happen in Pennsylvania. It's not his will that there was a holocaust. It's not his will that there are dictators killing people. It's not his will that abortion exists. But bad things happen when men and women stand aside. We look at Esther when she has her call, of course, and she gets a letter from Mordecai and basically says, don't think because you're in the king's palace, Queen Esther, that you'll escape this. You and your family will die. But perhaps you've been called to such a royal position for such a time as this. And so it's interesting, you know, Mordecai mentions, you know, if you stand aside, there'll be consequences, there'll be a deliverer elsewhere. But what's the price of getting to that deliverer? And I Have a vignette from history. 1934, Hitler's rise of power is almost solidified. And there's one guy in Germany standing his way. His name is General von Schleicher and he had the loyalty of the German army and Hitler knew that. And Hitler being a good socialist, national socialist, left wing party, pinheads and schools are wrong on that. Hitler goes in there and attacks him verbally, starts accusing him of reprehensible moral behavior and Schleicher chokes at his Esther moment. He had everything to lose, you know, and he choked and Hitler had him assassinated. He did nothing. And guess what God did raise up to deliver from elsewhere. It's called the United States army. But it's going to take us 10 years to get there. So if we get the call to run for governor, we're going to do it and we're going to do it to win it. But we're going to need a grassroots movement because I'm not sure that the establishment and all the other folks out there would like some patriot like me who they can't control, who rather serve the people than serve political interests.
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A
I think you do very well. And I know Governor Wolf is hated amongst all parties in Pennsylvania. That I do know. Thank you so much, my friend. God bless you and thanks for joining our program.
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B
Thank you, Charlie. God bless you. And let's one last thing. 1775, George Washington commissioned our first flag. We can argue appeal to heaven, that white flag with the Douglas fir tree. And we can only win this fight by God's intervention. So I'm appealing to heaven right now and asking fellow Americans to join me in prayer for intervention from God.
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A
Amen. All right, talk to you soon, my friend. Thanks so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Please make sure you're subscribed to the Charlie Kirk show podcast. If you're listening and you're not subscribed, just hit that button. It would help us out a lot. Email us your questions, freedom charliekirk.com and if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com thanks so much for listening, everybody. God bless. Speak to you soon.