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"The Sick & Diseased Are Easier to Control:" Reacting to RFK's Hearing Throwdown
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Bobby Kennedy is in the hot seat and we defend him. Email me freedom charliekirk.com, get involved with turningpointusa.com and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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David Mansdorfer
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Bobby Kennedy
I want you to know we are.
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David Mansdorfer
Lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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Unknown
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth owners organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
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David Mansdorfer
I think that Bobby Kennedy has the chance to challenge all of the preconceived notions around public health as we've seen during COVID and coming beyond Covid, that we just saw such a draconian use of public health in the United States. And with this nomination, which really brings together a unique movement around health in America, we're really at a flashpoint to make sure that we can push evidence based practices and not be censored around topics that we have traditionally been not able to talk about. And RFK brings all those to the table. RFK brings every opportunity to disrupt a public health industry and a money industry that is in desperate need of reform.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so I think the core issue here is Bobby Kennedy has been a lifelong public health advocate. He's been a lifelong advocate for moms and against environmental toxins. What is it especially who is against him most forcefully and why?
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David Mansdorfer
Well, I think the pharmaceutical companies. To start, as you've seen, with Vice President Pence's kind of fake outrage campaign, which is being funded by pharma, you have a lot of money in health care. And you have a lot of money in special interest groups that are deeply embedded in the US Department of Health and Human Services that do not want to see their money troughs being taken away from each other. And so I think you're going to see the activist association groups come out heavily against him, like the American Medical Association. You're going to see pharma come out against him, and you're going to see a lot of the big money players that don't want people to know where the money is. And they're going to feed it through groups and organizations like Mike Pence's group that is coming out and creating all this fake outrage.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. I mean, look, a healthy population is the kiss of death for Big Pharma. Talk about how if we actually get to root causes, if we get down to the root issue, then we don't need Ozembic for obesity for kids. We don't need these other interventions down the road. Yeah.
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David Mansdorfer
I think one of the first things that a Secretary Kennedy, if confirmed, will look at is the things like the dietary guidelines, which go deeply into how we have do school lunch programs here in the United States, which is a big indicator of health. As we've seen, there is an obesity crisis in the United States. There is a military readiness crisis because the lack of folks that can enter the military based on physical fitness. And I think a Secretary Kennedy and the incoming Trump administration will do wonders for chronic disease and prevention, where historically it's wholly underfunded. Typically, we only fund the disease at the end when you're having to deal with it, not when we are trying to prevent it to begin with.
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Charlie Kirk
So the chances of his nomination hinge on a couple of Republican senators who I don't think they've really experienced the energy of Maha before. Let's go through some of Bobby Kennedy's opening remarks here. I think they're really dramatic. Play cut 133.
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Bobby Kennedy
My journey into the issue of health began with my career as an environmental attorney, working with hunters and fishermen and mothers in a small town in the Hudson Valley and along the Hudson River. I learned very early on that human health and environmental injuries are intertwined. The same chemicals that kill fish make people sick.
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Charlie Kirk
Let's continue to cut 134.
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Bobby Kennedy
Today, Americans overall health is in grievous condition. Over 70% of adults and a third of children are overweight or obese. Diabetes is 10 times more prevalent than it was during the 1960s. Cancer among young people is rising by 1 or 2% a year. Autoimmune diseases, neurodevelopmental disorders, Alzheimer's, asthma, ADHD, depression, addiction, and a host of other physical and mental health conditions are all on the rise, some of them exponentially.
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Charlie Kirk
And finally, let's go to this one here. Play cut 135.
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Bobby Kennedy
The United States has worse health than any other developed nation. We spend more on health care at least double and in some cases triple as other countries. Last year we spent 4.8 trillion, not counting the indirect costs of missed work.
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Charlie Kirk
What is your reaction to this opening the opening statement of Bobby Kennedy, the idea of environmental toxins and how they are polluting both the planet and not just the planet, but the conditions of the people of America.
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David Mansdorfer
Well, what's interesting is that he's speaking directly to Democrats with that conversation and public health. Those are topics considered under social determinants of health, which are long held parts of the Democratic platform around public health. And so I would think those types of conversations are basically a reach across the aisle that says, hey, we've worked together on issues like this before and they've not traditionally been some of the Republican issues and how we've approached public health. So with that, why, why are you against me now when you've been working with me on all of these topics before? I think it's a, it's a reach across the aisle, but it's also to point out the, you know, disingenuous nature of this hearing, which will turn into multiple attacks on a variety of public health issues. When I think in many ways, RFK is probably the best secretary that the Democrats could ever hope for.
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Charlie Kirk
Let's, let's close here by playing cut 136. 136, please.
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Bobby Kennedy
For a long time, the nation has been locked in a divisive health care debate about who pays when health care costs reach 20%. There are no good options, only bad ones. Shifting the burden around between government and corporations and insurers and providers and families is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Our country will sink beneath a sea of desperation and debt if we don't change the course and ask why are health care costs so high in the first place?
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Charlie Kirk
Closing thoughts David, you know, I think.
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David Mansdorfer
The most powerful thing that RFK has said in his opening is healthy people have a thousand dreams, sick people have one. With that, I think the United States needs a secretary of health that's willing to challenge everything from the traditional conceived notions of public health to how industry has gotten its hands over the economics of health in the United States. I look forward to the many great things that President Trump and Secretary Kennedy will do when confirmed.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you David. Really appreciate it. Thanks for your time today.
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Bobby Kennedy
Yep.
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David Mansdorfer
Have a great day.
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Charlie Kirk
Email us freedomarliekirk.com I want to reiterate something. Mike Pence is raising money from pharmaceutical companies to try to go up against Bobby Kennedy. I hope you all understand that that Mike Pence is raising money to go run ads against the nomination and confirmation of Bobby Kennedy. We are a sick, obese, medicated, alcohol addicted, drug addicted, slovenly country. It's time for us to have a public health authority that understands that what you eat is who you become. Organic food, getting proper vitamin D. You do not need a pill for every ill and Bobby Kennedy will do a phenomenal job as Secretary of Health and Human Services. He will do a phenomenal job. And for any Republican senator out there, if you vote against Bobby Kennedy, there will be primaries. There is a force behind Bobby Kennedy the likes of which you have never experienced before. We're talking about moms that were former Democrats. There are millions of people behind this. So vote for him or else you may not be a senator any longer. While we may have won this election, the fight to restore our great nation is only beginning. Now is the time to take a stand and Patriot Mobile is leading the charge. As America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, Patriot Mobile offers a way to vote with your wallet without compromising on quality or convenience. Patriot Mobile isn't just about providing exceptional cell phone service. It's a call to action to defend our rights and freedoms. With Patriot Mobile, you'll get outstanding nationwide coverage because they operate on all three major networks. If you have a cell phone service today, you can get a cell phone service with Patriot Mobile with a coverage guarantee. But the difference is every dollar you spend supports the first and Second Amendments, sanctity of life, our veterans and first responders. Switching is easy. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Their 100%. US based customer service team will help you find the perfect plan. Go to patriotmobile.com charlie or call 972 Patriot and get a free month of service with promo code. Charlie, switch to Patriot Mobile today and defend freedom with every call and text you make. Visit patriotmobile.com charlie or call 972 Patriot. There's some very serious questions in front of people that oppose Bobby Kennedy. Why is America so sickly? Are doctors always right? Do you think our public health authorities won our trust during COVID Bobby Kennedy authored one of the sharpest critiques out there of Anthony Fauci. Bobby Kennedy was right all along during the COVID debacle. We never should have locked down, as we said on this program, the vaccine was a joke and a disaster. The MRNA gene altering vaccine, we never should have suppressed early treatments. And because of all of that, look at the sequencing, we got lockdowns which resulted in a even further diseased population. We then got mail in ballots and they displaced Trump from power. Now I actually believe that God works all things out for good for those who love him. Romans 8:28 that us being displaced from power actually ended up being a very positive thing. Bobby Kennedy never would be close to becoming the Health and Human Services Secretary, would never even get close if President Trump would not have been displaced from power. Bobby Kennedy made a serious political investment, a serious investment into the grassroots to help form the uniparty, to help form this grassroots movement of moms and health focused advocates and activists. And I'm very happy to say we were part of history at Turning Point. Donald Trump endorsing or receiving the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy endorsing Donald Trump happened at our Turning Point event in Glendale, Arizona. Bobby Kennedy says clearly here in his hearing, worth repeating. Play cut 138 he is not anti vax. But in his advocacy, he's asked the uncomfortable questions. Placot138 and I believe.
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Bobby Kennedy
That vaccines play a critical role in health care. All of my kids are vaccinated. I've written many books on vaccines. My first book in 2014, the first line of it is I am not anti vaccine. And the last line is I am not anti vaccine. In my advocacy, I've often disturbed the status quo by asking uncomfortable questions.
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Charlie Kirk
Now understand, if you question the efficacy or the safety of vaccines, they call you anti vax. Of course, vaccines can be a scientific miraculous breakthrough. Are they necessary for everything that we are vaccinated against? Is a hepatitis B vaccine really necessary for every newborn child? Is that really necessary? Do we really need to inoculate against chickenpox? The schedule has ramped up so dramatically since 1991. And if you even dare to say that, yes, there very well might be side effects, which by the way, the labels themselves say. Every doctor will quietly say, of course there are side effects potentially, but we can't say that or else you're called anti vaccine. It is a modern secular religion believing that vaccines are completely unchallengeable. And do you know that vaccines are one of the few things that we have where if something goes wrong, you're not able to sue the manufacturer. So if a car explodes and kills your kid, you should be able to sue the car manufacturer to make sure the car is safe for a future user and be able to get damages. If a vaccine gives your kid some sort of neurodivergent neurological disorder, potentially you go to the vaccine adverse event reporting system vaers and good luck. The entire incentive structure right now is trying to keep people permanently sick, trying to keep people permanently in a state where they can be controlled, where they are annuities for big Pharma. We have an obesity problem with our kids. Half of our children by age 15 are overweight or obese. Only 3% of Japanese kids are overweight or obese. That comes to diet, that goes to movement, that goes to parenting and all sorts of things. But our public health officials need to advocate for a health conscious, focused agenda and this becomes a national security threat, becomes a national morale threat. Kids are more likely than to commit suicide, more likely to get on psychoactive drugs, more likely to be addicted to alcohol, less likely to be vibrant and active members of their community and society. Make America healthy again is an admirable cause. Who could be against that? Bobby Kennedy must be confirmed. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here. There's a lot of excitement in Washington D.C. as we start the year. But I wanted to talk to you about something just as exciting happening outside the D.C. beltway. A revolution in the States. It's the education freedom movement. It's real. It's growing and growing because some states, as they should, are putting parents in charge of the education of their kids. Everyone knows education has the power to change a kid's life. And anyone who raised a child knows each has different needs, learning styles and God given talents. The fact is parents know their own children best, knows what's best for their development and future. Education freedom legislation puts parents, not zip codes and politicians in charge of these important family decisions. It's why I strongly support making universal education freedom a reality for every parent in every state. To find out where your state legislature stands and to make sure your voice is heard, go to educationfreedomusa.com now. Educationfreedomusa.com Bobby Kennedy continues in front of the Senate. It's going to be quite interesting to see how Republican senators end up voting on him, for him or with him. Let's continue on some of the tape here from Bobby Kennedy's hearing. Let's go to cut 139. All of these things cannot be true. So are you lying to Congress today when you say you are Pro vaccine or did you lie on all those podcasts?
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Bobby Kennedy
As you know, because it's been repeatedly debunked. That statement that I made on the Lecus Friedman podcast was a fragment of the statement. I said there are no vaccines that are safe and effective. And I was going to continue. For every person, every medicine has people who are sensitive to them, including vaccines. He interrupted me at that point. I've corrected it many times, including on national tv. You know about this, Senator Wyden, so bringing this up right now is dishonest.
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Charlie Kirk
Senator Wyden is one of the worst. He is a perfect example of a pharma shill. And to be perfectly honest, he's also putting words into Bobby's mouth. Bobby has never said he's pro vaccine. He's just said he's not anti vaccine. And he is in favor of, of course, some vaccines. But it's actually not the core issue. The core issue is he wants to make vaccines better and safer and more effective. Blake is going to correct me here, but isn't the old Voltaire quote to find out who's in charge, find out who you can't criticize. To find out who controls you, find out what you can't criticize. Is that Voltaire or is that wrongly attributed to him? I bet it's wrongly attributed to him, but that is a perfect example. Oh, it was by a neo Nazi falsely attributed Voltaire. Thanks, Blake. Always uplifting. That's an uplifting fact check. I disavow. It's still a good line. But I disavow obviously the neo Nazi part. But you can't criticize vaccines. And again, I'm not that interested in the topic except for the fact that why is it that it's the one thing that you require everybody in the population to have? And obviously there are side effects for some people, not for all people, not even for a lot of people, but a small amount of people. Why is it that we can't ask questions about making them safer and the media. This is so dishonest. Do we know what outlet this is, by the way? Did we find out? Let's play 132 up there. This is in the room where they are writing the articles about and against Bobby Kennedy, where the journalists already have their headlines written. They have the headlines written against Bobby Kennedy before he even uttered a line. This is what they wrote. RFK Jr faces grilling on anti vaccine comments and animal mutilation at confirmation hearing. Trump live updates. This is before anything happened, before anybody said anything. They have Their headlines already written. We've always suspected this is the case, but we've actually never seen the smoking gun where journalists just write the headline first and then they fill in the rest. Bobby Kennedy is pro truth. Wherever the truth will lead him is where he will go. If vaccines are super safe, then why does big Pharma need liability protection from the government? You're not even allowed to ask these very simple questions. Bobby Kennedy is trying to bring a wrecking ball to the Health and Human Service. It'd be one thing if everyone was super fit in our country. It's one thing if everybody was happy and full of joy. No, but we are a diseased country. We are the sickest we have ever been in our country's history. We're the fattest, we're the sloppiest. And Bobby Kennedy wants to go about fixing that. And one of the things that I really appreciate about Bobby Kennedy, it's a very empowering message. He fundamentally believes that every single person has it within your own free will and your capacity and your agency to be healthier, that you have the capacity to lose weight, to eat better. And what is wrong about trying to search for the truth? It is verboten in the clearest possible way. It is forbidden across the board. And during COVID did we not learn how corrupt and feckless our public health authorities are? And Bobby Kennedy is a response to that. Covid was a massive wake up call. And let's not lose the lead here as you're watching Bobby Kennedy get grilled by senators right now. That is Bobby Kennedy's son, that is JFK's nephew. I want you to think about that. That is the ruling class of the Democrat Party that is now back to grill the Democrat Party that they no longer care about health. And when have they ever. And by the way, the left always likes to make it seem as if they're the small guy fighting up against the system, that they're fighting against the establishment. Bobby Kennedy is picking the largest and biggest possible fight, which is against entrenched pharmaceutical companies. Eli Lilly, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, the massive gargantuan vaccine manufacturers. Hundreds of billions of dollars are on the line and health jeopardizes their profits. The healthier America becomes, the less money they could potentially make. If we no longer have the belief system that you need a pill for every ill, then what's going to happen to Pfizer stock? The old joke goes, I've been on antidepressants for 20 years. When are they going to start kicking in? At what point do we ask the question that maybe this medication that these doctors are unnecessarily feeding us, the vast majority of it is completely unnecessary where there might be naturopathic and alternative means. The CEOs of these big pharma companies have fiduciary responsibilities to their stockholders to earn profits. Their mission is not to help to make Americans healthy. Their goal is to print and make money. So when Bobby Kennedy says make America healthy, right now at Pfizer, they want you sick. And to be perfectly honest, I have yet to see a free market zealot. I would love to be able to grill a libertarian or Milton Friedman if he was alive on this topic. Because it really is a contradiction. If you have companies that they actually make more money over time, the sicker you are, how does that reconcile with free market forces? It's a very difficult question. There is not an easy solution to that, by the way. There is not an easy solution because the old adage is, oh well, you imagine how much money people would make if there was a cure to cancer. Imagine if there was a way to not heal it, but keep you coming back for the next 10 years on your cancer. Well then you become a nice little check for big Pharma for the remainder of your life. And this all ties in with the trans executive order. Healthy workers and healthy people are a threat to this entire empire. The Democrats are being incredibly combative to Bobby Kennedy, remarkably so because they know what Bobby Kennedy represents. There's trillions of dollars of industry that want to stop Bobby Kennedy. Because God forbid your four year old stops eating high fructose corn syrup and doesn't get every single vaccine, every single one, and goes outside a little bit more and starts supplementing with vitamin D. No, that's a, that is a threat to what they want. A sick and diseased population is one that is easier to control. A sick and diseased population is one that is more malleable, one that is in the palm of their hands. A sick and diseased population is one that makes them infinitely more profitable. When we are talking about a restoration of a free society, it takes healthy citizens for us to get to that free society, to get back to the promise of our founders. We've said for a while strong alpha men are a threat to tyranny. But overweight men with beer bellies are not a threat to anybody. We know that the testosterone rates in the west are plummeting. Infertility is a major and massive issue. They are not going easy on Bobby Kennedy at all. Let's play cut 146. Let's get a little taste.
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Unknown
That COVID 19 was a genetically engineered bioweapon that targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people.
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Bobby Kennedy
I didn't say it was deliberately targeted. I just quoted an NIH funded an NIH published study.
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Unknown
Did you say that it targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi?
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Bobby Kennedy
I quoted a study. Your honor, I quoted an NIH study.
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Charlie Kirk
That showed that it was an NIH study. Man, they are going straight into the bottom of the barrel. And by the way, Covid did affect different people differently. That is science. It's very very slimy by Senator Bennett. Very slimy stuff. But that's what we expect from the Democrat party. Good for you Bobby. Fight back. We have your back 100%. This audience will not put up with anybody voting against you in the Republic. Are you tired of scrolling through shows on TV and finding nothing but the same mind numbing content? Don't waste your time on that nonsense. Instead use that time to learn something new and inspiring. Hillsdale College offers more than 40 free online courses. Learn about the works of C.S. lewis, the meaning of the U.S. constitution, the rise and fall of the Roman Republic, or the history of the ancient Christian Church with Hillsdale College's free online courses. Consider the Constitution 101 course. In it you'll explore the design and purpose of the Constitution, the challenge it faced during the Civil War war and how it has been undermined for more than a century by progressivism and liberalism. Our country needs more Americans who can understand the Constitution and can defend the freedom of the American people against the encroachments of an increasingly large and unaccountable government. Start the Constitution 101 course today. Right now. Go to charlieforhillsdale.com to enroll. There's no cost and it's easy to get started. That's CharlieForHillsdale.com the Register CharlieForHillsdale.com I would love to have somebody come on the program and tell me the case for if they think America is healthy. Forget all the particulars on Bobby Kennedy. I'm not going to win you over on that. But do you really think the state of American public health is in a good position? Do you think the state of American public health is strong? We are one of the fattest countries. Blake can get it and I wrote about this in the book and Blake helped me with the research and helped me put all the thoughts together. We're One of the fattest countries in the world. That alone should be a wake up call. And the answer is not Novo Nordsk Ozembik. The answer is Diet Movement Lifestyle Choice Agency. We want to make America lean again. We have a 41% obesity rate in this country. And I know a lot of you in the audience say, oh, it's not my fault. I'm not getting into that. The point is, let's fix it together. Let's fix it together. Bobby Kennedy continues in his testimony here. Let's play cut 148.
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Bobby Kennedy
Let me just reassure you that President Trump has personally spoken to me about locating those 300,000 children who disappeared over the last four years. I don't think anybody has a fully accurate number, but it's hundreds of thousands. I agree. And many of them we know have been sex trafficked and childhood slavery. And it is a blight on America's moral authority. And we need to find those kids.
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Charlie Kirk
We need healthy youth for our military. We need healthy youth for our country of the vitality of our nation. We are in a circumstance right now where the major ag companies, the major pharmaceutical companies want you overweight. I'm not going to get into this topic. It's too controversial. Is obesity a choice or not? I think lifestyle plays a big role into it. I really do. But I also believe that people are being actively poisoned. It goes back to a theme that we say many times on this program, which is cuo bono. It is the Latin phrase, cui bono. Who benefits? Who benefits if Bobby Kennedy is defeated and people remain fat and sloppy, unhealthy, coy bona. Who benefits if Bobby Kennedy wins? I can tell you if Bobby Kennedy wins and becomes secretary, which we're going to make sure happens, kids win, moms win, families win. Who benefits if Bobby Kennedy is derailed? There will be more unnecessary vaccines pushed on kids like the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth. Again, I'm not gonna weigh in on all the vaccines, but come on, some of this stuff on the schedule should not be there. The children should not get the COVID vaccine. I think that's insane to give a 18 month old the COVID vaccine. Sorry, I'm gonna speak out against that one. That one's insane to me. It's insane. Babies getting the COVID vaccine. I'm not talking about polio. I'm not talking about measle, mumps, rubella. I'm not talking about tdap, not any of this COVID vaccine. Bobby Kennedy throws down the gauntlet on the Democrats. Let's play 149.
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Bobby Kennedy
Americans don't, by and large, do not like the Affordable Care Act. People are on it. They don't like Medicaid, they like Medicare, and they like private insurance. We need to listen to what people they would prefer to be on private insurance. Most Americans, if they can afford to be, will be on private insurance. We need to figure out ways to improve care, particularly for elderly, for veterans, for the poor in this country. And Medicaid, the current model is not doing that.
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Charlie Kirk
We need a full disruption of health care because we need health care, not sick care, more personalized individual treatment. If somebody's experiencing issues, typically it's because of metabolic dysfunction that happened decades prior. We need to get to root causes and uproot the entire food pyramid. We want Americans to thrive. And I think what's exciting about Bobby Kennedy is you don't have to agree with everything he says. Blake doesn't agree with everything he says. That's fine. But we're willing to have a robust conversation on why are we overweight, what can we do differently? The biggest reason Americans don't thrive is not a lack of money. It's not even being unable to buy a house. By far the biggest source of our misery is how unhealthy we are. The lack of health in this country is actually the root cause beyond all root causes. And let's open this up and every good, wacky, creative, crazy idea, we need to have it out. What I know though, is the most high functioning people in my life that I see are people that largely don't drink a lot of alcohol. There are people that don't do drugs. There are people that take exercise seriously, they take sunlight exposure seriously. And some of the most unhappy people and slovenly people are people that don't take that stuff seriously. But more than all of that, we need medical institutions and we need institutions in general that promote the public health, not public misery, not public obesity. We should trust our medical institutions. And we know the CDC is captured, we know the FDA is captured, we know all these major institutions are captured. And Bobby Kennedy is going to go in there and disrupt it for your kids, for your grandkids. I could not be more behind Bobby Kennedy's ascension to HHS secretary. I believe fundamentally in the Maha movement, people make fun of me that I'm like the Maha mascot and we need to have Bobby Kennedy's back. This right here would be one of the sweetest closures to the injustice of the COVID injustice. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God Bless.
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Unknown
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