The Silent Majority, The ADL, The Super Bowl, And More

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: "The Silent Majority, The ADL, The Super Bowl, And More"

Date: October 1, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (with Andrew Colvett, Blake, Daisy, Jack Posobic)
Guest: Tim Pool

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Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show is a fast-moving, emotionally charged roundtable focused on America’s polarized political climate, left-wing violence, censorship, and cultural battles. With guest Tim Pool and the core TPUSA team, the discussion weaves between campus activism, security threats, government shutdown politics, the role of organizations like the ADL, and pop culture’s influence on national identity. The somber mood surrounding Charlie Kirk’s assassination lingers heavily, giving urgency and context to themes of free speech, activism, media manipulation, and the need for a renewed cultural foundation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Turning Point USA's Campus Activism and Security Threats

• [01:45] Largest TPUSA College Event Ever: Over 6,000 attended, with notable speakers. The event continued despite a bomb threat and increased security, reflecting the dangers and determination of conservative activism.

• Tim Pool on Security:

  “Security is a huge, huge...very large challenge. It's very expensive.” (01:36)
  “When I saw a video of a detonation at one of your guys' events, I was scared. I said, what are they trying to do?” (05:35)

• On Threats to Conservatives:

  • Steven Crowder clip (08:43) details not disclosing threats “because I didn’t want copycats.”
  • Pool reflects:

    “I've been getting death threats quite a bit. This is what makes it currently very difficult to travel.” (08:44)

2. The Culture of Violence & Media Censorship

• Rising Threats, Reluctance to Discuss:

  “Because we constantly are told, 'don't talk about the threats you're getting,’ these younger guys don't understand how serious the death threats we're getting...” – Tim Pool (10:14)

• Perception Gap:

  “I fear this has created a perception for the average American that the right is not facing death on a regular basis...” – Tim Pool (09:25)

• Calls for Accountability:
  • Call to punish threats harder, expose and jail, not ignore, and take threats seriously (11:30).

3. ADL, Media Bias & The Extremism Narrative

• ADL Listed TPUSA as 'Extremist' (20:08):

  “They make money, they receive donations when they accuse people on the right of being Nazis or white supremacists. ...They strip mined the whole place. There were no white supremacists left to condemn. So what could they do? Move over to regular old conservatives and accuse them of being racists...” – Tim Pool

• Media Narrative Manipulation:

  “Liberals don't actually know who Charlie was and what he believed, and they were shielded from actually being exposed to it by the lies of these organizations.” (20:08)

• On the "Very Fine People" Hoax:

  • Shows the persistence of misinformation in media algorithms and perception, used to insulate the left from counter-narratives (21:56).

4. Radicalization, Information Bubbles, & Generational Divides

• Younger Progressives Are More Violent:

  • Discussion of Rutgers poll showing over 50% of left-of-center respondents think killing Elon Musk or Donald Trump for political ends could be justified (41:18).

  “Clearly, the right doesn't want to kill people. The left feels it's justified in the majority. But if you actually break those polls down, what you'll find is that older liberals do not want to kill people either. The bulk of that bloodlust comes from the younger, millennial and Gen Z liberals." – Tim Pool (41:21)

• Information Silos:

  “So that you live in an information bubble.” (21:56) “They want to cover for their side. They are activists in journalist clothing.” (23:44)

5. Antifa, Decentralized Extremism, & Institutional Enablers

• ADL's Softball Characterization of Antifa:

  “They engage in what's called the diversity of tactics. …They tell a certain group, everyone wear the same clothing, you wear black masks. That way, when our agents get violent, they can't convict us. It is coordinated.” – Tim Pool (25:31)

• On Leaderless Myth:

  “The decentralized thing is a tricky position. ... But while the leaders do exist, you meet them, you shake their hands.” (28:08) “Even lobsters have leaders.” (28:49)

6. Cancel Culture, Free Speech & The Glorification of Political Violence

• Where is the line?

  • Debate over firing/canceling those celebrating assassinations, with consensus shifting toward counter-cancel culture given dangerous stakes.

  “A society that tolerates the veneration of assassins and assassinations is a society that has opened the door to civil war.” – Tim Pool (54:17) “If you advocate for the destruction of our political systems through murder, I say you should be excised from polite society.” (56:31)

• Dana White/Joe Rogan’s Position:

  “I think you're a disgusting human being if you're celebrating the death of another human being. …I don't like trying to destroy people's lives over doing something dumb.” – Dana White (52:41)

• “Consequence Culture” as a Counter:

  “It's not a matter of canceling them for their words. It's a matter of them suffering the consequences of their words.” – Listener email, relayed by Andrew (57:43)

7. Government Shutdown ("Sombrero Gate") & Democratic Priorities

• Shutdown Framed as Over Health Care for Illegals:
  • Caroline Levitt and JD Vance assert Democrats are jeopardizing aid to Americans to secure care for illegal immigrants. Key moments:

  “The Democrats shut down the government because President Trump and the Republicans will not force American taxpayers to pay for free health care for illegal aliens.” (60:37)

• Political Calculation:

  “Chuck Schumer is terrified he's going to get a primary challenge from Alexandria Ocasio Cortez." – JD Vance (68:00)

8. Super Bowl Halftime Show, Cultural Demographics & the Pop Music Debate

• Discussion Around Bad Bunny as a Halftime Performer:

  • Framed as a corporate/DEI move, not a reaction to grassroots popularity.

  “It is not because the fans are clamoring for this. It's because they're trying to open doors.” – Andrew Colvett (71:59) “They have tried to force the evolution of culture. It doesn't work.” – Tim Pool (76:54)

  • The panel speculates on the influence of Jay Z, Roc Nation, and internationalization of American pop culture.

• Taylor Swift, Creed, & Cultural Authenticity:

  “The reason that Creed is able to have the comeback they’ve had is because Creed was always legitimately authentic about their beliefs, and they never once strayed for them. …One of the reasons Charlie is Charlie…he was so authentically good, true, and decent.” – Andrew Colvett (83:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Enduring Threats

“We got in 2022, we were swatted at my studio 15 times. We had the bomb squad called out. Three times they deployed robots.”
— Tim Pool [10:14]

On Cancel Culture vs. Celebrating Assassination

“Make it Cancel culture. …We are at a point where they celebrated the assassination of Brian Thompson, venerated this guy, the alleged assassin. Not even a year later, Charlie Kirk is killed and has come home for all of us who have been begging for it to stop.”
— Tim Pool [54:17]

On Polarization and Morality

“If everyone in this country had the same morals of Charlie Kirk, you would need no police.”
— Tim Pool [45:38]

On the ADL

“The snowflake doesn’t blame itself for the avalanche.”
— Tim Pool [20:08]

On Media Bubbles

“Liberals don’t actually know who Charlie was … they were shielded from actually being exposed to it by the lies of these organizations.”
— Tim Pool [20:08]

On Pop Music & Cultural Engineering

“Streaming’s no different. Billboard used to track sales, they barely track sales anymore. Now it streams, and now you have bands and artists you’ve never heard of. Somehow the top charting artists. …They just inject them and tell you they’re popular.”
— Tim Pool [80:03]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:45 — Turning Point USA’s Utah event, largest ever, and security challenges
• 05:35 — TPUSA event bomb threat overshadows Capitol politics
• 08:43 — Steven Crowder clip: “The left wants you dead”
• 10:14 — Tim Pool on the reality and scale of threats
• 20:08 — ADL’s role in amplifying the right-left schism and labeling TPUSA
• 25:31 — Tim Pool debunks ADL’s characterization of Antifa as “leaderless”
• 41:18 — Rutgers poll: over half of progressives polled justify killing for politics
• 54:17 — Tim and panel debate “cancel culture” for celebrating assassination
• 60:37 — Caroline Levitt & JD Vance on government shutdown over healthcare for illegals
• 71:59 — NFL Super Bowl halftime show debate over Bad Bunny, culture, and “internationalization”
• 76:54 — Tim Pool on the manufactured evolution of American music/culture
• 83:19 — The value of authenticity in pop culture and conservative leadership

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Listener Engagement & Meta-Moments

• Strong interactive dynamic with live emails from listeners: agreement on “consequence culture,” pop music preferences, and political framing.
• Recurring humor and camaraderie over pop culture (Creed vs. Bad Bunny), underscoring the generational and cultural stakes the show argues define America’s current crossroads.
• Reflection on Charlie Kirk’s legacy and how the team intends to honor his approach by fighting for truth, fostering young families, and encouraging activism.

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Conclusion

The episode fuses personal testimony, political analysis, and sharp cultural critique, bound together by the somber context of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and its ripple impact on conservative activism. The panel makes the case that the current battle is not just over policy, but over the soul and future of American society—shaped as much by reaction to violence and media as by conscious cultural choices about what is honored, celebrated, and protected.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Andrew Colvett]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right.

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett in here. We are honored to be joined today by the one, the only. I think you're like, what are you, the record holder of YouTube streams or something? You have, oh, I don't know, most YouTube streams of all time. I don't know. There's. I think we talked about this once, and I think it was a pretty remarkable stat. Anyways, this is Tim Poole. Welcome to the show.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for having me. It's an honor and a privilege.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, it's an honor to have you, and I got to do your show on Monday night, and that was a great experience, and I just, you know, with everything going on. Tim, we'll get into it later. You know, thanks for making the trip. I know it's. It's no small feat.

[Tim Pool]

Security is a huge, huge. It's a very large challenge. It's very expensive. But I, again, honored that you're having me out.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Having you on my show is also. It's an honor and a privilege.

[Andrew Colvett]

Awesome, man. Well, listen, I want to. We have so much news to cover today, and, you know, first of all, I want to give a big hat tip to our team and what they accomplished at Utah State State last night. We had. What do we have? Tyler Boyer was out there. We had Jason Chaffetz, who was actually there. He was a witness on the day at uvu. And we had Governor Cox. And I want to explain some of the backstory with the Governor Cox thing, because I know there was some hemming and hawing and some heartburn over why we invited Governor Cox. And there was also Andy Biggs. So a great showing. And this was actually the largest evening event to date that we have ever done at Turning Point USA at a college. So there was over 6,000 people in attendance for this. And the crowd was fired up. You can see that if you're watching the stream. The energy in this room. Everybody was texting me. My phone was blowing up. They're like, it's insane. This is so great. And that was despite, by the way, some sort of bomb threat or suspicion of a bomb at a separate building. So it didn't affect this building. This building was on pure lockdown. And, you know, there was. They, I think bomb squad kind of detonated some sort of device in a defensive measure. Haven't gotten confirmation on what exactly what that suspicious, you know, package was. But everybody's safe, everybody's home. We're grateful for that. So let's go ahead and play at least a couple of images here. Let's see here. I. I just love me a good Charlie Kirk chant. So, Charlie Chant 91, please play Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. Yeah, it was just completely organic. The kids are fired up. We have more tour stops coming. We're not backing down, Tim. Hopefully you don't think we're totally crazy for doing this, but we have to go on. Charlie would have mandated it, I can tell you that.

[Tim Pool]

Let's call it brave. In the face of your fears, you persevere.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, the kids are doing great. The team is doing great, and all the speakers that have been coming out, I mean, I can tell you the security is extraordinarily robust, magnitudes more than anything we've ever done. And there's a lot of people, I will just say, that are working in conjunction with it. So take that as you will. I want to get into something that I kind of think is. And we were just talking about it before the show started, something that I think is almost like a little bit of a. Of a Washington meme. Like, it's in the bubble. Right. It doesn't. Like, nobody seems to care about this story, but it is political news, so I want to. I want to make sure we talk about it. And that's the Schumer shutdown or sombrero gate.

[Blake]

It sort of snuck up on us because obviously we've been distracted by everything. And in the background, there was like, oh, there's a government shutdown possibly approaching. So even I feel a lot of us at Turning Point are belatedly looking, oh, we should probably know about this, because people will ask about it.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's interesting because all of this happened. We were talking about it months ago. We were kind of circling on our calendar, knowing that this was gonna be a thing. And then obviously with what happened with Charlie, it has totally faded into the background. And it feels even more so now, Tim, because of everything that happened. It's just like, I can't explain it. I can't tell if it's just me living in the bubble that I'm living in, but it just doesn't seem quite like the past shutdowns.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I agree. And to be honest, last night on Timcast rl, we decided not to lead with the government shutdown story because of the bomb threat or hoax device at the TPUSA event. And I feel like we were talking to Jack Posobic about this. I'm not sure we're that concerned with the government shutdown when we've had in the past four weeks, four terror attacks. The question we ask when we launch every show is what is the big story that people are looking for and wanting to understand and the government shutdown matters? What is the reason for it? But I think right now, when I talk to regular people, when you listen to some of these other podcasts, big shows, even Joe Rogan, they're talking about what happened to Charlie. Still. It's kind of there's the pros and the cons of that. Right. We don't want to forget Charlie, but at the same time, it's because we're still scared. And I'll stress this again, there's nothing wrong with being afraid. It's what you do in the face of your fears. Do you back down, do you give up? Or do you persevere? And I think that's what everyone's trying to do. So when I saw a video of a detonation at one of your guys events, I was scared. I said, what are they trying to do?

[Andrew Colvett]

So was I. Yeah, I mean, there's so much. There's so much out there right now. You know, it's funny, the likes are not public anymore, but you can see people when they like your tweet. And I've seen some high profile people, including Elon Musk, like a tweet or a post that I posted yesterday about this new Rutgers poll that says 50% of people think over 50% of progressives left of center people think that it would be justified to kill Elon Musk to advance their political views or Donald Trump to advance their political views. There's a new poll out today that is also really terrifying. But you know, we were talking about this before we came on. Steven Crowder has felt moved to go Back onto campus and basically do his. Because Stephen called him, change my mind. And now he's doing it again. And Charlie's and turning points were prove me wrong. So it's basically the same concept. They'll go. Go on campus and have a debate and do it in a civil way. And I'm going to play this clip. Steven Crowder cut 96.

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

In 2016, the idea was, hey, calling the left on their bluff. Civil dialogue with anyone to the tune of billions of plays and hundreds of hours. And it got increasingly violent. And what I didn't tell people, I told people out there, go do this on your own campus. Have these conversations. I advocated for it. And Charlie took it to another level. He was unbelievable at it. What I didn't do, I didn't tell people about the threats because I didn't want copycats. I didn't tell them about terrorists from Yemen through Sweden showing up in East Grand Rapids. I didn't tell them about concrete milkshakes. I didn't tell them about my tires getting slashed, about people trying to firebomb my car. And maybe if I would have picked up the phone, maybe if I would have used this megaphone to tell people it's real life out there and the left wants you dead, maybe Charlie would have had a fighting chance. Maybe I could have done more.

[Andrew Colvett]

What do you think of that, Tim?

[Tim Pool]

He's completely right. I've been getting death threats quite a bit. This is what made it makes it currently very difficult to travel. The whole time I've been doing this, even. Let's go back to 2018. I'm on YouTube and I'm like, this moderate. And my position at the time was, I'm not gonna vote for Donald Trump. I'm not gonna support Donald Trump. I'm gonna try and be honest about what he's saying and what's going on. I'm not here to get political. I was still getting death threats from the left. I was still being accused of being far right. The lies, the smears. As the threats and the violence ramped up, I stopped going on the ground. I used to. My whole career was field reporting. I went to Berkeley. I filmed these protests. I interviewed people. The threats got so intense.

[Andrew Colvett]

Surely you were doing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the younger generation has picked up that. That baton and they're carrying on that legacy. I became too well known. And the threats were intense. Where we're at today, even yesterday, in the face of all the threats that I get, where we've. We've increased our security, which is already intense. I have people on the right saying, don't talk about it. Don't let anyone know because you don't want like, exactly what Crowder was saying. You don't want copycats. You'll make it worse if you bring it up. I fear this has created a perception for the average American that the right is not facing death on a regular basis for going out and talking about these things.

[Andrew Colvett]

Tim, keep going, cuz this is important. I really wanted. I don't want to interrupt this because you're saying you and others and Steven said the same thing that have been reticent to talk about the threats because you didn't want to inspire more.

[Tim Pool]

We got in 2022, we were swatted at my studio 15 times. We had the bomb squad called out. Three times they deployed robots. I believe in two of these occasions because hoax devices had been sent which the standard police deployment could not assess. They had to get the actual machines out there. There are people like Cam Higby, Nick Shirley, who are currently on the ground. Just recently, someone threatened to kill Nick Shirley on the ground in Portland. I fear, exactly as Steven Crowder pointed out, that because we constantly are told, don't talk about the threats you're getting, these younger guys don't understand how serious the death threats we're getting, why we stopped doing it. And so they go out there thinking, well, I know Anteves are violent. I've heard about what happened to Annie Ngo. But as Crowder pointed out, the slashing of his tires, the firebombing of his vehicles, terrorists from foreign countries showing up just the other day in the face of the death threats we have been receiving, which, you know, we've been in contact with the FBI over. I have conservatives, people on the right saying, don't bring it up. Just don't say anything. It'll get worse. And then I'm just like, guys, I don't know how much worse it can get. Maybe we need to actually try a different strategy and say, hey, look, this is very real. It's happening. We need everyone take it seriously.

[Blake]

I think a reasonable thing to think, speculate on is we have to take it more seriously in the sense of actually what we should do is we should make sure these things are investigated. And if they are, if they're able to make an arrest, you have to punish that harder. You're just gonna say, if you're going to make actual threats to kill somebody, we're going to put your face on the Internet and we're going to put you in jail for Five years and.

[Andrew Colvett]

Longer than that, as they say, or longer candidly.

[Blake]

And like dox people with their address of people who threaten people.

[Andrew Colvett]

So just so we're clear, it is patently insane to say, you know, to threaten somebody's life. I'm going to go out of your way and say those words. And I mean, I've seen some of yours. You've showed me. And they're insane. They are graphic.

[Blake]

The left's goal is the heckler's veto in these radical campus activities. They want to use threats, they want to use menacing, they want to use bad behavior to stop people from exercising freedom of speech. And that when that is crossing the line to succeeding, it has to be punished for real.

[Andrew Colvett]

It has to be punished extraordinarily hard. I completely, completely agree. One thing we haven't talked about, and I totally agree with the fact that we need to change our strategy because there's just too many data points right now that show that the left, and especially hard left and younger progressives are getting extraordinarily radical right. And so we need to also attack the funding networks. And I will never get this out of my head, Tim. The last text message that Charlie sent to Stephen Miller said we need to address the financing networks of those groups that are fomenting violence. It was the last one he sent Stephen Miller. And if I trust anybody to be a dog with a bone on this stuff, it's Deputy White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, who. He and Katie have been completely harassed by these people and docs. Hi, America, it's Andrew with the Charlie Kirk show here. President Trump walked into a catch 22 when he took office. If he had done nothing, America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, he's taken action with tariffs and strong policies to slow the train and buy us time. But the effects of past administration spending are still working through the system. And once companies lower cost inventory burns off, experts predict dramatic price increases and market uncertainty. Trump is doing all he can. But no matter who's in office, protecting your retirement saving is ultimately up to you. And that's why many Americans are turning to real assets like gold and silver preserve. Gold is our go to choice at the Charlie Kirk Show. We use them because they make it easy to own physical gold and silver even inside your retirement accounts, like an IRA or 401k.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you again for coming. Tim. What's it, I don't know. What's it like to be in here? I mean, I know that you guys did your show here once.

[Tim Pool]

I know.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I think you sat in Charlie's chair once.

[Tim Pool]

I had to sit in the chair, man. When I walked into the building yesterday or two days ago, we're doing our Tim Castell show from your guys headquarters. We came out and I remembered the studio that you guys had so graciously built for us so that we could come and do this. The extent that the TPUSA team and Charlie went, for us to have us be involved in what you guys had built, it is beyond an honor. It's, you know, every. I describe this job as being Sisyphus, pushing the rock up the hill. And I have a lot of companies that say, hey, come on my show. Hey, will you. Can I interview on this? And it's always a chore, it's always work. There's only one time it didn't feel that way. I described it as when you guys extended that offer to come out here. It was like all of a sudden the weight of that rock had been gone. And I looked to my right and Charlie is pushing that rock up the mountain. He says, we got this. Come be a part of what we're working on and I could finally relax. You not only built us a studio so that we could be here and again for us now, but when we had technical difficulties, brought us in and said, you can use. Charlie says, you can use my studio, you can sit in my chair, do your show. We're grateful to have you. I walked in on Monday and those memories came flooding back of that feeling. And then instantly it was cut in half by the knowledge of what had happened to Charlie. And I almost started crying. Man, it's tough.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, Charlie always loved having you at our events, Tim. And I think you're a really important voice and you occupy a lane and you do it in such a way that I think really engages, you know, a whole different audience. Right. That, that we couldn't reach or weren't reaching as maybe we did, I don't know. But like the point is you did a. You, you do a great job. And we were honored to have you and still honored to have you. That's why I reached out because I.

Was like, I appreciate it.

Tim needs to be here. Tim needs to be a part of this.

[Tim Pool]

I looked up to Charlie. He's. He's younger than me. I looked up to him. I can't believe the amazing thing that you guys had built. And you know, he's come on my show a couple times and we've got these, these hand drawings. He's autographed them for us, these posters. And, and so when I come here and I see everything that you guys have done, when it's the craziest feeling in the world for you and Charlie to have been like, no, Tim, you gotta be here. And I'm like, me. What are you guys talking about? This is so amazing. It's beyond confidence building. I'll put it that, I'll put it that way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, you've earned it. You've earned it. I want to show this image for the audience. We're talking about left wing violence and I'm going to get into the ADL in just a second. But you look at this, this cut, this would be 300. Put this up. Majority of strong liberals. A majority which means more than 50% say violence against the rich can be justified. Nine in ten conservatives say it can't be violence against the rich. Tim, why are we seeing numbers like this and where did this come from?

[Tim Pool]

You know, I blame social media. There's a clip going viral right now from Joe Rogan's show where he's talking about how he's shocked so many run of the mill liberals, teachers, doctors have been celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with all due respect, because I think Joe's a great guy, I told him this on his show six years ago. We sat down with the executives from Twitter, Jack Dorsey and Vijayagatti. And I explicitly stated one of my key points of the show is that if you create this bifurcation in, in the world and if you do not allow people the ability to speak and come together, I'm going to build a van and go live down by the river because it's going to be civil war. It's going to be crazy. What I see now is I am pessimistic. I hate to say this, people call me black pilled. But when you have social media platforms that allow monetization and social growth from celebrating assassinations, you will get more of it. Young people were told after the assassination of Brian Thompson in New York that assassins are celebrated by the left on social media. And they told me, you know, YouTube, X all these platforms. Well, Twitter before Elon bought it. Celebration of death is against the rules to celebrate murder and violence is against the rules, you'll be banned for it. After Luigi Mangioni was arrested, accused of killing Brian Thompson, they made sainthood candles of him. Social media celebrated him. Nobody gets banned, nobody gets suspended. We warned, Charlie warned. This was creating assassination culture.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie warned a lot about that.

[Tim Pool]

Look where it brought us. Look where it brought us. It's not changed.

[Blake]

I mean, we've got real quick, like we had, you know, in advance, I believe, of the Utah state event. We had a table out. And it's not just obviously the big threats or the big violent actions. It's all the stuff that lies beneath it. So we, we had these left wingers just kind of walk up and like throw everything off the table and attack it. And someone. We're not going to show it, but someone handed a pencil illustration of Charlie being shot just to the person at the table. Like that little. Those little elements of informative. Oh, was that nau? That's where it was. That was nau. And they hand a note of Charlie being shot. Like, ha, ha, here's your. This person you may have met just dead it. Like this level of like nastiness, like going down to the core that you cultivate in these little ways and it turns into this big violence when it's indulged.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, Tim, why don't you explain for the audience what's going on with the adl. The ADL had Turning Point listed as an extremist hate group. Meanwhile, it looked like it was apologizing for antifa.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed they were. It was their glossary of terms. It's fascinating. Basically everything was racist. Did you know that? I think numbers one through 60 were considered racist. I'm not even kidding, like in the philosophy. It's like, here's why number three is racist. And so they have Turning Point USA listed in their glossary of terms, describing it as a hate group or something that affect. They've since gotten rid of the whole thing and I think at least they're starting to recognize the role they played in the avalanche. The saying goes, the snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche. Each One of these NGOs, these organizations, they make money, they receive donations when they accuse people on the right of being Nazis or white supremacists. But you know, the problem is they strip mined the whole place. There were no white supremacists left to condemn. So what could they do? Well, move over to regular old conservatives and accuse them of being racists, I guess, which has created this culture. I think all of that has played a deep role in the bifurcation of the moral worldview in this country. Liberals don't actually know who Charlie was and what he believed, and they were shielded from actually being exposed to it by the lies of these organizations. So they would tell these liberals, charlie was a racist white supremacist, don't listen to him. Then if someone ever said, watch this video of Charlie, they go, no, I'm not watching that. I refuse. And same thing is true for Trump in the political space. It's good they're getting rid of it. I'll give them credit for that. But we still should recognize the problem.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, it's amazing how effective these lies can be. I'm reminded of when Charlie was at Oxford and they, you know, you have to point and counterpoint, point and counterpoint, that sort of thing. And Charlie just dismissed that one gal like, I think it was a professor who parroted the Very Fine people hoax all these years later.

[Blake]

The very Fine people hoax got repeated again this week by Nikole Hannah Jones in the New York Times in her article bashing Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're right. Yeah. I mean, it's just amazing how that happens and how insulated the algorithms make people. Right. So that you live in an information bubble.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's funny, I'm not a conservative. I mean, maybe by today's standards. So what am I? Well, I'm a Chicago urban liberal from a working class firefighter, you know, first responder kind of area. How am I finding myself in this place? Well, my biggest concern from the beginning of this was the truth, what's really going on? And so I enter the space because when I was actually on the ground covering news, I'd see CNN lie, I'd make a video being like, here's footage of what really happened. Liberals were not happy with this. When I went to Sweden, Donald Trump had that famous moment on TV in 2017, last night in Sweden, he said. And so I did what I always have done. I said, I'm gonna go there and film vlogs and mini documentaries about what's going on. I had journalists messaging me saying, don't do it. And I'm like, I don't understand why. And they said, trump's lying. I said, great, I'll prove him wrong. They said, no, no, don't, don't go. That's how insane is today. We have this shutdown. The big debate is, why did it happen? Trump says they want to give illegal immigrants health care, government funded health care. Which is correct. That is the truth. I go on cnn, it Says fact check false. Democrats don't want to. Why? Because the Democrat argument is if you entered the country illegally but claim asylum after the fact, you are now a legal, you are a lawful immigrant just by virtue of whether it's been adjudicated or otherwise by saying so. Now, if CNN told me that and said the argument between Democrats and Republicans is I would accept their news company as a news company, but they don't. They omit all of those details. I go to the bulwark, same thing. Republicans are lying. Ignore them, don't listen to what they're saying. I go to the National Review, they tell me the truth.

[Andrew Colvett]

Interesting. Yeah, I mean, it's all, it's just a argument over a definition of a term. We think those people are illegals. Like, and by the way, every time we try and change the status for a temporary protected immigrant or whatever, and, or, you know, whether, I guess, DACA would be included, these asylees, we're trying to get rid of them because we believe that they were given the status illegally or fraudulently, you run into judges that will block them. But here's, I mean, it's a, essentially it's a pedantic argument. And you're right, the news does not want to give you the truth. They want to cover for their side. They are activists in journalist clothing. And I mean, I think everybody's just getting really upset, like getting tired of it. However, there is this contingent that we're seeing on the hard left, the progressive young left, that obviously doesn't want the truth. They just want to kill their enemies.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Andrew Colvett]

And everything else feels like, you know, pointless now. And this is why. What ADL has done now they've deleted their entire glossary of, I guess their hate glossary or whatever. So you can't look at it anymore. But this is what they said about Antifa before we talk about lies and truth, Right? Antifa, a decentralized, leaderless movement. So nothing to see here. That's a lie.

[Tim Pool]

I can confirm that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Composed of loose collections of groups, networks and individuals who are vigorously, vigorously. It's like a, you know, it's an oddly positive way to say it. Opposed to fascism and focused on countering right wing extremism both online and on the ground. And this is where it gets really egregious. While some antifa adherents have engaged in violence or vandalism at rallies and events, this is not the norm, despite disinformation campaigns that suggest otherwise.

[Tim Pool]

Well, as a journalist who has been on the ground and inside of their meetings, I can confirm that that's all lies. They. They engage in what's called the diversity of tactics. This is the term they use. They have meetings where they invite these peaceful protesters to join their direct action. Meetings where the leaders, the financiers and the organizers supply tools and signs and resources and a plan so there's an effective leader. They. They work international. We call them the tourists because somehow the same people in New York are in LA and Turkey. And then what happens is they tell a certain group, everyone wear the same clothing, you wear black masks. That way, when our agents get violent, they can't convict us. It is coordinated. They have legal. They have. They have progressive NGOs that specifically go out to provide free legal defense. Watch these videos. You'll hear them yell, what's your name and birthday? And as they're getting arrested, they yell their name and birthday. Why? The legal apparatus they have as an aside to their groups then goes to the legal system, creates reasons by which the person must be released. They exploit our speech laws, our criminal laws and our court systems so they can engage in this violence. But I'll just say one last thing. The money comes from somewhere. The signs come from somewhere. The marching plans, what route they're gonna take comes from somewhere. And they're all flying the same symbol. They got leaders?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, they've got leaders. And by the way, in places like Portland, you know, we had Tom Homan in the studio yesterday, and you've got this ongoing battle in Portland to defend federal property and the ICE facilities that are, by the way, getting snipered in places. Like, there's been three ICE facilities that have been shot up. Right. Illegal immigrants in that instance, died in Texas. So you've. In places like Portland, where the local leaders are like, nothing to see here, everything's safe and peaceful. I mean, they have allowed these antifa militant groups, these guerrilla groups to grow and fester unabated. I mean, they are absolute organized and they run the city.

[Blake]

Well, I would, I would actually point out, like, the decentralization thing is actually fairly true. And it's how they get away with a lot of what they do, which is they are able to. Anytime someone, you know, reaches out, they sort of melt away and all of that. And so you do need unusual techniques to go after them.

[Andrew Colvett]

We need to update our techniques.

[Blake]

We need. So, like, when you say, like, go after the funding networks, a lot of the people in antifa are huge losers, which means they don't need a lot of money to do things. They're the sort of People who are willing to be quasi homeless or live out of a really crappy apartment and all they do all day is go menace ordinary civilized people. But I think it doesn't take a lot of money to do that.

[Tim Pool]

The decentralized thing is a tricky position. When the ADL says they're leaderless, I don't believe for a second the ADL does not understand how these systems operate. I think they're intentionally covering for the left for legal reasons. So in these direct action meetings, they will explain to you why the leaders must remain nameless. They have explicitly stated at all the meetings I've been to maybe like a dozen of these, they say if our leaders come forward and they're visible to law enforcement, they will be targeted, arrested, or smeared in the press. So while the leaders do exist, you meet them, you shake their hands.

[Andrew Colvett]

There has to be leaders, any system. Eventually people rise up and they become the leaders.

[Tim Pool]

Even lobsters have leaders.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly right. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So somebody is telling people where to go because anybody who's worked at a Walmart or a Baskin Robbins, whatever, understands some people are management, some people are not. And why is the ADL then claiming it's leaderless other than to just go.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, you know what bothers me? And you had a great bit on this earlier, Blake, a couple shows back where we're talking about this both Sidesism, right? I went on Smirkonish on cnn, I believe, the weekend after it happened. And you know how if you do like a news hit, they plug you into the program feed, you kind of hear the program before your interview comes up. So you're sitting there watching the show and you know, Smirkonisch is an okay guy. I'm not, I'm not. I really don't have any particular bone to pick, but I got inflamed that day and it took everything in me to just keep it down the middle on the fairway because I had to sit through a whole. This is Both sides. Both sides need to tone down the rhetoric. Both sides need to do this. And I'm sitting here going like, you guys have no idea what our side has been up against for so long. And guys like you and guys like Steven Crowder and guys like Charlie knew it and he knew it, and you guys know it firsthand because the death threats and the threats are very real. And there's. The calls with the FBI are very real. And you're constantly trying to play whack a mole with this stuff because groups like the ADL whitewashed it and they cover for it. And this is again why I got so mad at Jimmy Kimmel. Because that was a tacit indication, a signal saying we're gonna whitewash when people kill conservatives. We're gonna lie about it. And by the way, when you tell me I can't, I'm gonna double down on it because I don't think you deserve the truth.

[Tim Pool]

We saw this CATO study. They say the right is responsible for more extremism, more violence. What they're really doing is they're saying fringe sovereign citizen and white supremacist extremists are the same thing as Charlie Kirk. That's what they were trying to do.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I look at that and I say, okay, yeah, I really don't care. What is the motivating ideology? This guy attacked the LDS Church. Was he motivated by Speaker Johnson? He wasn't. Okay, well, the concern we have when we say the left is that AOC went on the House floor and espoused the same ideology as the alleged assassin. That is where we say, wow, this ideology of liberals, of mainstream liberals, moderate Democrats, is held by violent extremists. We are concerned about how violent they have gotten. They then say, the right is doing it. But you can't compare Steven Crowder or Charlie Kirk to some Klan guy in the middle of Nebraska or who knows where.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and by the way, you made the point though, that a lot of people were quoting the ADL crime sort of data. Some study. And wasn't it done by a guy that was connected somehow to antifa?

[Blake]

Oh, yeah, there's several different studies. I don't know which, I can't remember which one. This one. This might have been the. Like, I can't remember the name. But yeah, one of the studies they were passing on was just literally made by an antifa activist. There was like three or four databases that they were like always sharing that. Do this.

[Tim Pool]

Pull up, pull up the ADL heat map, the extremism map. And right wing has right wing white supremacy. Right wing anti government and right wing other. Meanwhile, left is just one thing. If it's not a Marxist Leninist who blew up a building, it doesn't count as left wing violence. For instance, the killing of Aaron Danielson didn't count according to these studies as left wing violence.

[Andrew Colvett]

Geez Louise, are you kidding me? It's true, huh? Yeah. I mean, it's like as far as you want to go down the rabbit hole, right? It just keeps getting worse and something has to be done. And I think you're spot on that, we're going to have to adjust our tactics to confront this, or we're all in deep, deep trouble. Legacy Box has been a proud sponsor of this show since 2021. And we here at the Charlie Kirk show are grateful to continue supporting a community that values family and tradition. You know how we talk about protecting what really matters? That's not just finances or politics. It's your family memories, too. We all have those old VHS tapes, film reels, maybe boxes of photos sitting in a closet. But time isn't on our side. Tapes wear out. Films fade. And before long, the stories of your childhood, your parents, and even your grandparents can be lost. That's where Legacy Box comes in. They make it simple. Order their kit, fill it with your old media, and send it back. Their team of experts carefully digitizes everything and returns both your originals and a secure digital version you can stream, share, and keep safe forever. With confidence, honor the moments that matter. And now, in Charlie's own words, go.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Tim Pool]

Timcast on X, Timcast IRL on YouTube or the I have the Tim Pool Daily show. And Tim cast IRL on all audio podcasts.

[Andrew Colvett]

And you're on Rumble too.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. Rumble man.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oof.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, I had to say that first. Rumble.com TimCastirl of course. That's our. That's our. That's our home.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, the home of free speech. And by the way, you know, I think, you know, YouTube's been like, loosening things up a little bit. But if it wasn't for Rumble, I don't. I don't know that we would have been able to keep Charlie on YouTube. Oh, yeah, right. It was like the counter pressure was super important.

[Tim Pool]

Market pressure.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, we're going to wrap up hour one with the final segment. Hour one. But I think we're just going to keep streaming through the break, so don't go anywhere. We're gonna welcome back radio.

[Blake]

We haven't actually talked about the shutdown yet. We were like, we gotta open with the shutdown. And then we didn't actually talk about the shutdown. So we might wanna get to that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we can.

[Blake]

I don't know if we feel like it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. You know, I do kind of want to talk about Sombrero Gate just because I think it's fun that we are. That the President of the United States is trolling dollar store Obama and shut down Schumer.

[Blake]

What's great is they're gonna scream that it's racist. And I guarantee they already are. But I guarantee that actual Hispanics, like especially Mexican Americans will find it extremely funny because it's the same thing with Speedy Gonzalez where they would all complain that that's racist. And actual Mexicans love Speedy Gonzalez. Mexican Americans generally really like Mexican themed humor and cultural stuff.

[Andrew Colvett]

So we gotta. I totally agree. Even with the Taco Bell. Taco Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Blake]

The best taco bowls.

[Andrew Colvett]

We love Hispanics. You know, let me see here. Do we actually have the. Okay, I think this is 85.

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

Look, guys, there's no way to sugarcoat it. Nobody likes Democrats anymore. We have no voters left because of all of our woke trans bull. Not even black people want to vote for us anymore. Even Latinos hate us. So we need new voters. And if we give all these illegal aliens for free health care, we might be able to get them on our side so they can vote for us. They can't even speak English, so they won't realize we're just a bunch of woke pieces of. You know, at least for a while until they. They learn English and they realize they hate us too.

[Andrew Colvett]

My goodness. All right, but. So this is what's great. So Hakeem Jeffries comes out and it was like, you can't do this to me. Like, you're not going to get me with this bigoted. Which. Stop bigoted. Guys, he's making a point that you want to keep healthcare for illegals as we define them, Tim, not as CNN defines them. Anyways, so he's making a point about who you're. And obviously many illegals come from south of the border, so let's. But so he gets all upset about this. So Trump doubles down and posts another1. Play cut 95 will get you nowhere.

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

We are fighting to protect the health care of the American people in the face of an unprecedented Republican assault.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Yeah. So Trump will not be cowed. He will not back down.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, he's investing in the future. These are clearly targeted at younger millennials. Gen Z. And I think about who would be most offended by these things. And it's your, you know, your aging MSNBC viewer. I think younger people are just laughing, being like, it's good to have fun, you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's such a good point though. It like, if you had to do a psychographic of who would be most offended by this, it's definitely probably not Mexican. Hispanics.

[Blake]

You really, they've really eroded their ability to find things funny. That's why, like all the late night shows are so unfunny or their stand up comics are so unfunny. Like, it's actually the sense of humor is atrophied because they can't handle transgression. So we get the kind of SEAL clapping humor where they're just like, oh, what about that Trump? He's such a fascist. Oh, yeah, that's so funny.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I actually, you know, I said this to a FOX reporter. They were, you know, because at some point it got, it became like Colvette versus Kimmel. Like, you know, during the height of that story. And obviously Kimmel's still on air. But I told the FOX reporter, I was like, listen, I don't want him off the air. I want, like, I don't want to make a martyr of him. Yeah, I, you know, let him, let him, you know, go the way that he should on his own accord by not being funny and by the left just completely losing their sense of humor.

[Tim Pool]

Not to mention his ratings are.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's what I mean. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Look, with all due respect to the older generation, that's who his audience is. He gets, I think in August he was average was 129,000 in the key demo. And you got to think about how much his show costs. It's probably 10, I think Colbert was what, 100 million a year. Jimmy Kimmel's got 100 staffers or over how much? I got to tell you guys, you know the numbers. 120,000, 29,000 in the key demo for your show is not going to cover $100 million.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, it's not. It's not. And by the way, like, this show does better in that demo.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you could post a picture of that and do better in the demo.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, but, like, that's what I said. Like, let him just, like he's going to get Colbert. They're going to realize the numbers don't add up. And, you know, in many ways, when nexstar and Sinclair took him off the air, it was kind of pushing against an open door. Right. Like they were. They were already. There's a lot of pressure within the abc, you know, brass because the show's too expensive and because the ratings are terrible. And, you know, if you're coming into this kind of controversy, that's, that's not good either. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I love how they pretend it's Trump's fault all of this is happening. Like, Colbert got canceled because of Trump.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, yeah. Anti free speech.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I thought it was the $40 million loss per year.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and all the lawsuits.

[Blake]

But what's funny is big picture. They're right, because Trump caused them to make a terrible show nobody wanted to watch.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's true.

[Blake]

Good job, everyone.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so I played this clip yesterday, but I want to play it again for you. And like I said, I saw some of the people who liked it and on when I posted it, and they are people that are certainly being targeted. So, I mean, everybody is aware of this and I don't want to black pill everybody. Like, in my heart, I hope there's a way out of this that doesn't lead to violence. I really do. I really do. I'm not saying you're ever going to be in a position, Tim, where you can go out and just, you know, go to the mall. Maybe you already do that. I don't know. But I'm hoping that for the sake of the country that this doesn't have to end the way that it very well could. Right, let's go ahead and play cut 57.

I'm going to ask you about this Rutgers report.

Good morning.

On the network Contagion Research Center. This is their conclusion.

Okay.

Users online are increasingly associated the memeification of Luigi Mangione with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump and others, reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture. And Aisha, you have some findings that they have here on justification.

[Caroline Levitt]

It's alarming. And I want to put this up here. This is a justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump. And you'll see here, they found that when it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump.

[Andrew Colvett]

Jeez, Houston, we have a problem.

[Tim Pool]

There's a way out. There is a generational challenge. I would tell everybody, have as many kids as possible because that is the way out. Which means there are some speed bumps for the next 20 years, maybe, maybe even 30 or 40. But what we're looking at is the polarization of moral worldview. Clearly, the right doesn't want to kill people. The left feels it's justified in the majority. But if you actually break those polls down, what you'll find is that older liberals do not want to kill people either. The bulk of that bloodlust comes from the younger, younger, millennial and Gen Z liberals. Now, there is some light at the end of the tunnel in that, as disturbing as this may be, liberals for the longest time are either through birth control, abortion, or child. We'll call that gender affirming care. They call it creating a generation that cannot have kids and they're having less kids themselves. We are seeing this trend towards the right in terms Gen Z is trending rightward. And it's not just because we are winning culturally through the battle of ideas, but also because conservatives just have kids. So you are going to have this large cohort over the next 10, 20, or 30 years as they move into industry and politics that are very violent. However, they're not having kids themselves, which means it's a wave that we will get through maybe 20 or 30 years from now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Blake, why don't you talk about. I mean, because I could do it, but I actually just did this on his show. Talk about one, the having family thing. Because I know you have a family, Tim, and that's changed you dramatically. But what Charlie thought about that, but also he was proposing, like, a moonshot to get young people to buy into America.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Blake]

It's funny to ask me about this because of course, I'm. I'm horrible on this front.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Andrew Colvett]

You were there for it.

[Blake]

He was. Yeah, well, he was just very aware that when you have atomized people, like individuals whose main point of existence with the world is essentially online because they don't have an irl, as you'd call it, because they don't have a family and they don't have the social networks that a family necessarily creates, that brings down the country. It's, as you would say, you know, the most conservatizing events in your life. You know, the marriage, mating, mortgage thing. Those are all things. They increase your stake in society and they increase your connections to society.

[Andrew Colvett]

When you own a home.

[Blake]

You're way more likely to know your neighbors, to interact with them. When you have kids, it's not merely having kids that you care about the future of, but kids naturally create networks with other people. They go to school, they have friends, they have social activities. Your friends, parents will always tell you who are your friends. Very typically, just the parents of your children's friends.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's true.

[Blake]

And I've seen it with my parents where they'll cycle through, my siblings get in. My younger siblings would get into different activities, and suddenly, oh, there's this new friend of our families because their kid played basketball with my sister, that sort of thing. And all of these are what are creating your tethers to the rest of society and by extension, your ability to care about society, your ability to care about America. And we enrich that by having more families with more kids.

[Andrew Colvett]

When you have a kid. And Tim, I don't know, you're pretty new to this game. I have three. But when you have kids, all of a sudden it changes the way you look at content that you see on the streaming platforms or whatever. It changes the way you look at laws or homelessness. It changes the way you look at how we take care of public parks. Smelling weed in public places, it changes. It starts forcing you to think about the world in a different way.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with you. I think I'm a little different in that I've never liked the smell of weed in public places.

[Andrew Colvett]

Nor have I. Yeah, but, you know, it's one of those things. By the way, Charlie was super anti weed, and he would take so much gruff for it because a lot of people are sort of libertarian about it.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I'm a bit libertarian on it, but I think the answer is culture. So we're talking about if you have kids and you instill your children with your values, laws don't matter. Laws are for when your society has no trust and your morals have broken. And that's a terrifying thought that we have to explain to some people why not to murder. But if everybody had been instilled with proper values, it wouldn't matter.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's amazing, isn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And this is the interesting thing about, say, the Ten Commandments, for instance. Thou shalt not murder. If you have a. If there was a. If everyone in this country had the same morals of Charlie Kirk, you would need no police.

[Andrew Colvett]

You would need nothing.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, you wouldn't even need a cup of sugar because you could knock on his door and he'd lend it to you without a thought.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Andrew Colvett]

We are joined by Jack Posobic as well. We're getting just a full house in here. What's up, Tim?

Thanks for, thanks for being here, Tim. You know, thanks for having me. You know, you know, we were asking people to come in. You know, we're like, oh, you know, people take a day or something.

[Blake]

And Tim's like, I'll be there all week.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

In order, in order to do Tim Cast irl, I. There's no way to travel in and out. So yeah, I can do it if we can. And. But tpusa, you guys are amazing. They set a studio, but how cool is that?

[Andrew Colvett]

That it's. It's. So you're doing your show every single day from. Because I remember my buddy was. When he heard when you were on. Andrew was on the other day, he goes, oh, did Andrew fly to West Virginia? Because he was just listening and. And I was like, no, he's right here. Why? And I was like, well, but he's there in the room with Tim was like, no, dude, Tim Cast is here.

[Tim Pool]

How did you get him out of his compound?

[Andrew Colvett]

I just want to. I was.

We don't talk about it.

We were, we were talking about Kimmel, by the way. And I do believe. You know, basically, there's a article here from Zero Hedge. Jimmy Kimmel's audience numbers implode after a brief spike. So he gets 6.5 million for his. His night back. Right. But now he's average 1.77 million total viewers, down like a lot from 2015 highs. Right. And in the demo, you're totally right. It's like in the 25 to 54, Thursday's episode hemorrhaging 73% of viewers from that critical category off its high.

Yeah, but remember, so Jimmy Kimmel's show doesn't exist to get ratings. Jimmy Kimmel's show exists to spread propaganda. So they do not church.

[Tim Pool]

They're not liberals.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, well, liberal church. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Right. They're right.

[Andrew Colvett]

So it's, it's, it's, it's. This is, this is the. You know, for your liberal boomers that still watch him, this is. You know, they love it. They think it's the funniest thing ever. They think it's the. The greatest thing ever. They think they actually did something. And the fact that it loses money from Disney, by the way, which is, of course, one of America's most beloved institutions prior to the current ownership or current, you know, manager ship, is again, something to love because. Because remember, they can never create. All they can do is corrupt and destroy. And so that's what they're doing. Which they did also, by the way, to Jimmy Kimmel, who used to be great.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me fix that statement. It's anti church.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah. Now it's better.

I was like, where you go in, Tim? I was reaching for my rosary.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, to say that it is where they.

[Andrew Colvett]

Joking.

[Tim Pool]

It's right where they meet their fake high priests of their.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Demonic Sermon 100.

[Andrew Colvett]

So we talked about what we wanted to talk about next. Yeah, well, we. What we want to talk about next is something that you've been keying in on, Tim, and that's Dana White and Joe Rogan. And I think it's a really fascinating kind of conversation that you're. Do you want to set the premise for us and we can play the clip?

[Tim Pool]

Sure. I have tremendous respect for Dana White. I'm a huge fan of his business acumen, let alone ufc. And Joe's a good friend who's really helped me out in my life and career personally. So I say this with all due respect. It is either that they are not actively paying attention or they are deeply scared about what is happening to this country. And so, again, I don't say this with any derision. Dana White came out recently saying, oh, we can't have this cancel culture over Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's wrong. And I feel like something to that effect that people are losing their jobs.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I've got it right here.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like that misses the big picture. Joe Rogan has a viral clip right now where he says he's surprised that so many people celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And the reason I bring that up is, well, I've been on Joe's show several times and talked to him explicitly about this. In fact, the Twitter episode ended with me saying I was going to go live in a van down by the river to avoid the coming civil war because of what they were fomenting on.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's when you were on with Jack and Vagia.

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The systems that they had built 10 years ago I had warned about. So I'm surprised Joe is shocked by the celebration from these liberals. I'm wondering if there's actually more of a. Look, I'm just gonna say it. I'm tired of being overly diplomatic to people when I have some critique of them. And I know there's so much that I owe Joe, but I do feel like he's saying these things because he's scared of what the left will do to him and his family. And so he's kind of walking things back and acting like, oh, I had no idea.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, let's play the clip then. Here's Joe Rogan. Play. Cut 99.

Yeah.

I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder. That is evil. Bizarre. Just bizarre. Like normal people that I think think they are good people and. And they think they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy. And I don't think they're right. And I think they were indoctrinated. And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.

I don't care if he was a.

Bad guy or not a bad guy.

I don't want to see him.

I don't want to see anybody die.

[Tim Pool]

Joe's called them a cult before, so I know he just said they were indoctrinated, but I saw that and I'm just kind of thinking, I don't know how you spend as many years in the cultural space as you have and find yourself surprised, but I will cut him some slack. Perhaps what he means to say is, cuz I've experienced a little surprise myself. Middle of the road liberals who are relatively apolitical that I knew celebrating on Facebook that I was friends with. Maybe I should cut him a little bit of slack on that one. But as to the Dana White.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, the Cancel Culture, I haven't heard this.

[Tim Pool]

Let's play this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, let's play cut 98.

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

I'm a big believer in free speech, and unfortunately, probably the most important speech to protect is hate speech.

[Tim Pool]

You're not a fan of Cancel Culture?

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

No, I hate it on both sides. It's like, all the stuff that's going on with Charlie right now, you know, these people are going out and saying stuff, and, you know you're seeing people getting fired or kicked out of school.

[Tim Pool]

You don't think they should be fired.

[Joe Rogan / Dana White (clips)]

I think you're a disgusting human being if you're celebrating the death of another human being. But people make mistakes, and people are going to do dumb things. I don't like trying to destroy people's lives over doing something dumb.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, so I just drank a form yesterday, and I'm like, I want to, like, throw up after. That's his energy drink. I'm like, that's. That's. That's the dumbest thing. That's literally the dumbest thing. So Cancel culture is when you dig up someone's, like, old statements and try to get them.

Like when you. When you, like. Like when you say that I don't.

Think police are racist, that someone said.

[Blake]

In private, or at least if it's like, something they say, like, people just lost their jobs because they said, like, I don't think there should be riots. People lost their jobs because they said, I think riots might hurt Democrats in the elections. People lost their jobs for that.

[Tim Pool]

How about Vivek Ramaswamy? He didn't put an appropriate image on Instagram, and he got a letter from his, like. I can't remember exactly. His board wrote him a letter being like, you weren't sufficiently angry over.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's not. That's not cancel Culture at all. That's people saying, I don't want my have to bring my child to a doctor's office that has that doctor or has that nurse or, I don't want that person working in my HR department because you're celebrating someone's murder. That's totally different from Cancel Culture. It's not even in the same ballpark at all.

[Tim Pool]

Honestly, you are correct. But I'm gonna say this. I don't care. Make it Cancel culture. And I'll tell you why. The line for the left, and this is to your point, that you're correct on the line for the Left is. You said something that disagrees with our pseudo, our non theistic religion. The right has said, don't push assassination culture any further. That's our line. My attitude is this. We are at a point where they celebrated the assassination of Brian Thompson, venerated this guy, the alleged assassin. Not even a year later, Charlie Kirk is killed and has come home for all of us who have been begging for it to stop. I, a couple weeks ago, said, I won't call for these people to be fired, but I will not defend them. And Will Chamberlain said, you're too nice. I think they should be fired. I think they should be canceled. Because a society that tolerates the veneration of assassins and assassinations is a society that has opened the door to civil war. And immediately I said, you're right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's our level. I'm on that way.

This isn't a principle thing. This is a if we want the country to be. Be saved kind of thing. You need to draw the line for that.

This is my energy, though. I am. I am so on board with Cancel culture. If you. If. And by the way, one of the things that gave me strength in the immediate aftermath was seeing accounts like Libs of TikTok just, like, calling these people out, blasting them up. These. These tweets are going crazy, people getting fired. I was like, yes, because this is absurd that we would put up with this as a culture. You should be canceled. You are a disgusting, gross human being if you do that. And I don't care what happens to you at that point. I mean, obviously I don't want physical violence against it, but I think you should lose your job. If I'm an employer and I find out that my employee is doing that, good riddance.

You're canceling them back. That's the key with your canceling someone who is celebrating the literal canceling of the man who sat in this chair right here. And if you're going to celebrate that, then, yeah, you should lose your job, you should lose your pension, you should use your. Your rank. If you're in the military, whatever it is, lose it. Lose all of it.

Man, that gets me fired up, guys. I'm not gonna lie.

As it should.

Go ahead, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

What happens to our society when Dana White says it is okay for half the population to celebrate assassins?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

That's the only question that matters. So you. I know people are. He said people are gonna be like, tim, free speech matters. I say, okay, agreed. Now let's calculate that. Let's finish that equation. You have two distinct moral worldviews. One is celebrating assassins consistently now, over and over again, they're calling for more. My name is on that list. You'll get what you asked for. And so for me, liberal cancel culture was, did you offend our non theistic religion? You're banned. My line is, when you advocate for the destruction of our political systems through murder, I say you should be excised from polite society. You can come back. Forgiveness is always available for those who, you know, perhaps give an act of contrition of some sort because speech isn't the most. But if we say Jimmy Kimmel, tens of millions of liberals can go online and make money, get followers, build, build media businesses off of celebrating assassins. You're looking at Rwanda all over again.

[Andrew Colvett]

Radio Rwanda. Yeah, so. And Andrew, the only thing I would just tweak to what you're saying is we don't celebrate cancel culture, but we will use counter cancel culture to end all of it.

Well, this is what Emily, one of our listeners, says. It's not. It's consequence. Consequence culture, not cancel culture. Hey guys, I'll offer you this alternative to cancel culture. It's not a matter of canceling them for their words. It's a matter of them suffering the consequences of their words.

[Tim Pool]

That was their argument.

[Andrew Colvett]

That is their argument. Yeah.

I mean, listen, but, but like, we.

[Blake]

Don'T want to repeat, we don't want to repeat their exact lingo because, like.

[Andrew Colvett]

Correct.

[Blake]

That's their justification for everything.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's what I'm saying.

[Blake]

What we're doing counter. This is a single, this is a basically a singular exception, which is you are just not allowed to glorify political violence, period.

[Andrew Colvett]

So here's, here's the quote from Robert Jones. This is back all the way back in 2015, and this guy was like an SJW and he said, he said we can disagree and still love each other. This guy's like a liberal SJW type. We can disagree and still love each other. Unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression, denial of my humanity and right to exist. Yeah, and that's when the talking stops.

[Tim Pool]

Here's, here's the philosophical reality is that when the right was talking about free speech, it was presented as a very binary choice for the average person. But there was always a depth to it. And that is, at what point would a conservative fire someone from their company for something they said it always existed. I said, dana, never has. Indeed, I said this of my company during cancel culture peak or whatever, if someone at my company went on like A serious racist tirade. I'd fire them, too. If they were posting things about how they were disparaging people of a certain race, I'd say, listen, you don't reflect our values. I don't know why you'd want to work with us. It doesn't represent what this company is doing. The issue, Conservatives have a wide range of tolerance for ideas. You can see this in all the data. That is, if someone said something racist, you wouldn't be like, quick, get on my company. You'd say, let's have a conversation about it and figure out why you're saying this. Often people would then say, you know what, maybe I was a little gruff. They wouldn't get fired right away. Tolerance was greater for the right. The left said no tolerance, even for jokes. Well, we found our cancel culture line. It is. No one should be allowed to work in polite society when they're calling for the death of other people. That's a hard line.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that's what was so radicalizing. I think about it for people that it wasn't just AOC and Ilhan Omar and Barack Obama who were smearing Charlie in death was regular people.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Andrew Colvett]

Just your, your, your nurse, your HR director, people that you work, people in the military, people who fly airplanes. I mean, this is serious stuff. And if you've got people who've got the power of life and death, it literally in their hands every day. And that's what they believe. You realize how bad the brain rot has gotten in this country?

[Tim Pool]

Everyone knows that. Even right now, where we sit, there are things that if we said, it would destroy our professional career. Of course there's things you don't say. Conservatives tend to be honest and have always been about what we can and can't talk about. And liberals just said, we'll ban you if you defy us.

[Andrew Colvett]

So we do. We are working. The studio's gonna tell me. Okay, it is ready. Let's go ahead and throw to this press conference with J.D. vance and Caroline Levitt. I want to hear what they're saying.

[Caroline Levitt]

Partisan, clean piece of legislation to extend current government funding until November 21st. But nearly every single single Democrat senator voted against this bill. To be clear, this was the exact same bill that Democrats approved six short months ago in March, just adjusted for inflation. This is the same kind of clean funding bill that Democrats passed 13 separate times when they held the majority during Joe Biden's administration. So the American people woke up this morning and asked the obvious question, why the government shut down right now. The answer is pure partisan politics being played by the Democrat Party. The Democrats shut down the government because President Trump and the Republicans will not force American taxpayers to pay for free health care for illegal aliens. America is $37 trillion in debt. We cannot afford to provide taxpayer funded free health care to illegals who broke the law to enter our country country. To put this all into perspective, the Democrats refused to keep the government open over health care to illegal aliens and now have jeopardized critical health care programs for American citizens instead. The Women Infants and Children program, community health center funding, Medicare treatment options and other health programs are now all at risk because of the Democrats rejecting the Clean cr. The most vulnerable in our country are being punished because the Democrats want to prioritize illegals over American citizens. And if Democrats actually cared about health care, they would applaud the actions taken by President Trump. Just yesterday in the Oval Office, he took a bold and massively popular action to improve our health care system. He announced the first agreement with a major pharmaceutical company, Pfizer, to launch lower drug costs for Americans. This is a historical achievement long sought by past Democrat presidents that only President Trump was able to get done. Also yesterday, while the Democrats were whining about health care for illegal aliens, President Trump signed a powerful executive order to supercharge American AI innovation and unlock cures for pediatric cancer patients in the United States. While President Trump took action to lower drug prices and improve the lives and the care of American children with cancer, again, Democrats are fighting to give health care benefits to illegal aliens. The Trump administration is fully committed to lowering health care costs and advancing policies that will save American lives. But right now, we need to keep the government open and funded. And individuals and organizations across the political spectrum across the country agree with the Trump administration and Republicans. The labor union leader, the Teamsters, Sean o', Brien sent a very blunt message to Democrats over their destructive antics. He said American workers are not bargaining chips. Senators need to stop screwing around and pass the House passed clean short term funding bill. The U.S. chamber of Commerce, the world's largest business organization, called called to immediately pass the Republican Clean CR saying quote, shutdowns are harmful to the economy, the American people and our national security. And even Democrat Senators Cortez, Masto and Fetterman acknowledge that their party is betraying the American people with this costly and chaotic Democrat shutdown. Enough is enough. Democrats need to stop sabotaging our country and holding the American people hostage in the country. Democrats, Democrats need to do their jobs. The American people want the government reopened and this is proven In a new New York Times poll showing that 2 in 3Americans say the government should not be shut down by the Democrats, even if their absurd demands are not met. The president and Republicans are working very hard to reopen the federal government. The vice president here has been crucial in this effort. We encourage all Americans across the country, call your democracy Democrat senators, and encourage them to reopen the government. That's what President Trump and the vice president want to do. And with that, I will turn it over to our great vice president, J.D. vance.

[Andrew Colvett]

Great.

[J.D. Vance]

Well, thank you, Carolina, and good afternoon to everybody. And good afternoon to everybody who's watching at home. It's a tough act to follow, but let me just say a few things, then I'll take a few questions. Number one, Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering healthcare costs. And yet when the president took his action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription drug prices, the Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact, we would have loved to have the Democrats helping us, but they didn't. They talk about doing something. They don't actually do the hard work of making it happen. What they have done instead is to shut down the government because we won't give billions of dollars to health care funding for illegal aliens. That is what has actually happened to the American people who are watching. The reason your government is shut down at this very minute is because despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Congressional Republicans and even a few moderate Democrats supported opening the government, the Chuck Schumer AOC wing of the Democratic Party shut down the government because they said to us, we will open the government, but only if you give billions of dollars of funding for health care for illegal aliens. That's a ridiculous proposition. Let me say two other quick things, and then again, I'll take some questions.

[Andrew Colvett]

Number one.

[J.D. Vance]

Number one, we all understand that Democrats and Republicans have policy disagreements. Democrats want to do things. Look, when Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries were in here a couple of days ago, they made some suggestions that the president was more than happy to say, yes, let's sit down and talk about how we can solve the health care crisis that we inherited from the Biden administration. But it's one thing to say that we should solve the health care crisis for Americans. It's another thing to say that we're going to shut down, down the government unless we give the Democrats every single thing that they want, which, as Caroline says, includes giving billions of dollars of taxpayer funding for health care for illegal migrants. That's ridiculous. You don't have policy disagreements that serve as the basis for a government shutdown. Let's have the conversation about how to fix American health care, about how to make health care more accessible. As the President showed he's more than willing to act on behalf of the American people for this, for this very reason. What you don't do is say unless you do exactly what we want to do as congressional Democrats, we're taken hostage. And the hostage, it turns out, is critical. Essential services that the American people need. Caroline talked about some of it. Let me talk about some more. Our troops are not getting paid starting today because of the Chuck Schumer wing of the Democratic Party. We have people who require food assistance, low income Americans who require food assistance who will not get it unless we reopen the government. Thanks to Chuck Schumer and his wing of the Democratic Party, we have flood insurance. As we start hurricane season in the southeastern part of our country, that flood insurance is going to disappear because of Chuck Schumer and the far left of the Democratic Party. We need to reopen the government. Let's fix America's problems. Let's work together to solve them. But let's reopen the government before we have our negotiation about health care policy. That's what the American people demand and that's certainly what the President of the United States wants. Let me make one final point. I think a lot of Americans are asking themselves, why did this happen? Why did the Democrats shut down the government despite, as Caroline said, voting on the exact same piece of legislation six months ago? And there are a lot of different spins that we can put on it, a lot of different answers that we could give. All of them.

[Andrew Colvett]

True.

[J.D. Vance]

One answer I already gave is that they want to give health care benefits to illegal aliens. That is true. They gave us legislative text that would have undone us cutting off health care benefits for illegal aliens. That's one of the things that they asked for. But the reality here, and let's be honest about the politics, is that Chuck Schumer is terrified she's going to get a primary challenge from Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. The reason why the American people people's government is shut down is because Chuck Schumer is listening to the far left radicals in his own party because he's terrified of a primary challenge. So I'd invite Chuck Schumer to join the moderate Democrats and 52 Senate Republicans. Do the right thing. Open up the people's government and then let's fix health care policy for the American people.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, So I think J.D. vance is doing a good job. Just a quick note on what he's doing. You know, when, when the vice President comes up and handles the press briefing, you know, you know, he means business. But again, I can't get out of the fact, get, get, get away from the fact that this feels like a Washington bubble story. Right. Like the rest of America kind of doesn't care. Especially, you know, like when they're killing us.

He's actually doing Q and A right now.

He's doing Q and A right now. And it's pretty great. And he made a good point. Tim, you were like, hey, that was a good point. Maybe repeat it for the audience.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Democrats are blaming Republicans, but he was like every Republican voted to open up the government. Democrats are the one who voted it down.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because they didn't get what they wanted.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. Right. I want to shift gears here just a little bit. And that is to this Bad Bunny thing, which actually feels like kind of light hearted to talk about. Actually, like hour one was kind of a downer. I apologize.

[Blake]

I would just like to say, full disclosure, I have never heard of Bad Bunny until Bad Bunny is.

[Andrew Colvett]

So they insert. The only reason I know about him is because they inserted him in Happy Gilmore 2. And I was like, who is this guy that they're making, like a main character of happy Gilmore 2 that I've never Heard of before. And he's just like, oh, it's Bad Bunny. You don't know who Bad Bunny is? I'm like, who?

[Tim Pool]

I have all of his albums. Is he a musician? Is that what he does?

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I think he's the guy that's Bad Bunny.

He sells those fidget spinners at the mall.

And this is like, what's kind of interesting about. There he is. There's Bad Bunny. He's sort of dressed in female garb or there. He's really in female garb, apparently. I think this is, like, prosthetics and things. He's, you know, he's very interesting. He's Puerto Rican.

Those are natural. Those are natural.

He's Puerto Rican.

Puerto Rican.

Texas. You know, apparently the angle here. Yeah, I mean, Daisy, if you want to come in and fill us in, like, let's just. Let's just do it. But apparently the angle here is that the NFL is trying to get more and more international. Americans are not huge on Bad Bunny, at least not compared to the international audience. This is why the NFL is going to London and they're doing all these things.

Yeah, he's really big in, like, Latin America, South America.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn't he sing in Spanish or whatever that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, there you go. You know, that's. And that's why.

[Tim Pool]

So I like that specific.

[Andrew Colvett]

We had that. We literally had to blur this out.

Yeah. Like, there are crossover songs, but he doesn't have any. But something that. Something that I want to say, though, is that. So I looked this up, and, you know, I actually spoke to some contacts in the industry about this, and they said the way it works with these selections and people keep. People keep coming to me, and they'll say. They'll say, why is it that Rock hasn't had a single act in 16 years? And so for the last at least five or six years, Jay Z and Roc Nation. So Barack Obama's best friend, Jay Z and Roc Nation have an exclusive contract for the super bowl for the halftime show, and they actually have a ton of poll when it comes to, like, the Grammys and who gets to perform and things like that. So they. It's a very deliberate corporate push. That's why you see him inserted into the Netflix Happy Gilmore 2 movie. That's why you see him pushed up at the super bowl halftime show. It is not because of. To Andrew's point. It is not because the fans are clamoring for this. It's because they're trying to open doors.

And this is what's crazy.

And because they have a deal with Jason.

He doesn't even sing songs in English. He's got no songs in. And by the way. Hi, Daisy.

[Daisy]

Hi. He has songs where other English speakers are on them and they sing in English, but he does not sing in English at all. That's why anything that he sings is in English.

[Andrew Colvett]

Do we have an example of this?

[Daisy]

And he's also said that he will only sing in Spanish to pay homage to his.

[Andrew Colvett]

What kind of country are we living in? Like, this is. This is. This is America's favorite sport.

[Daisy]

I sent this earlier. He was Globally the number one most streamed artist. 2020, 2021 and 2022, 2024. He was sitting at the third most streamed artist in the world. And his most popular locations are Latin America. But second, Latin America is the United States.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I wonder why.

[Daisy]

So listeners age 13 to 27 look.

[Andrew Colvett]

At this like some satanic video.

This is. This is.

Do we care? Do we care?

This is. We should care. Because this is, you know, this is what they would say, cultural colonizations, right? So people would say that, oh, when America pushes cultural colonization across other countries, you know, with American movies and American film and portraying American values, this is reverse cultural colonization to America where. Because. Because we've taken in so many millions of migrants from Latin America and South America that have come up now. Now America has a market for this that is totally different from the core American population. And that's why they're trying to merge that by putting it in with the NFL, which is obviously an American institution. They're saying, oh, well, you know, we can, we can merge these all together now. And again they're going for that market share. It's the. Literally just a business move because of these massive fluctuations in our culture.

[Tim Pool]

I was a big fan of Taylor Swift being at all these football games. And people had complained about it. And the reason, the reason why it was good. Daisy was too, by the way, it's very good. It was very, very good news.

[Andrew Colvett]

Daisy was also on the wrong side.

[Tim Pool]

Young, young women, young teenage girls would. Would come into the living room where their dads were watching football and say, I want to sit and watch this with you, dad. And that gave an opportunity for fathers to connect with their children and try and strengthen those bonds. A lot of people complained about it being, why do we have Taylor Swift here? It's like, let that happen. You know, why they're doing the bad bunny thing now is the kids who may start watching football are now going to get the weird trans leftist stuff injected into the football games so they can try and reverse that trend we saw from Taylor Swift.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and they've been doing. They've been using the NFL for social engineering all the way back to when Barack Obama was using was cutting deals with the Baltimore Ravens to push Obamacare. So they've understood the use of the NFL and the left has understood the use of the NFL pop culture. Again, Netflix. The Obamas have a huge deal with Netflix on the production side. A lot of money laundering obviously going on there then obviously now you got Jay Z, who's Obama's best literal best friend, and Beyonce who are in charge of selection process for these halftime shows. And so what do they use? They push the culture engineering. They push this on top of you. And, and people came down on me for, you know, talking about Taylor Swift two years ago, 100% right, by the way. And, and, and now that and proven right as well. And, and now they're doing the exact same thing with Bad Bunny. And I really do think that you can't, you can't have that discussion without talking about these massive population demographic shifts in our country that are going on. You just can't.

[Tim Pool]

It's not going to work. And I'll give you a really good example. I was watching this movie with Chris Pratt and I think Millie Bobby Brown or whatever, you know that robot one. Did you guys watch that?

[Andrew Colvett]

I watched that, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, did you notice the music was all like 80, late 80s rock and early 90s?

[Andrew Colvett]

It's set in the 90s. Yeah, oddly.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm watching all these films and I'm wondering why it is like they're playing songs from 30 years ago in their soundtracks. Because rock works in a lot of these action movies. We don't have strong modern rock, but it's still apparent to people who make movies that you need it. They have tried to force the evolution of culture. It doesn't work. If you go back in time and look at the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, you can see how music evolves over time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Each decade has like a set sound the industry.

[Tim Pool]

And you can see when they came in and when they went like how disco moves in, you know, and the pop changes, how rock evolves. They have tried over the past 20 years to hard stop American culture and music.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And inject a foreign world, you know, kind of theme to change American culture. It doesn't work. And that's what they're gonna see with get what go broke. When people complain about this and they're not. They're gonna try and internationalize or whatever, but they're gonna lose American audiences.

[Andrew Colvett]

But this is the one pushback to that is to Jack's point, they've imported the international audience into our domestic audience.

[Tim Pool]

But when you have a popular vote winner in Donald Trump and a demand for immigration, the response is simple here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Bring on Creed.

We need Creed. We need Scott Stadt flying down from the rafters. Raider.

Greatest halftime show that has ever taken place.

Let me give the audience.

Super bowl show, by the way.

Let me give the audience. That was the peak of America 2004. Let me give the audience a little context. Jack. Super bowl, in response to this, tweeted out something along the lines, there's only one response. We need Creed. I'm literally. Because, you know, you, by the way.

Not have approval from tp.

No. No. So this is. What's this. What's hilarious. I'm getting multiple inquiries from. From the media right now. So have I. Saying I would like a comment on Is Turning Point planning.

[Charlie Kirk]

Competing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Are they. Are they planning a competing halftime show with Creed? And I was like, well, I wasn't. Daisy.

[Daisy]

I think I'm too young.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is how I work with Andrew. I just tweet stuff randomly and it's.

[Daisy]

For the Creed conversation. But I'm. I'm open to it, but I. Okay, my question is.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, Daisy, Daisy, hold on.

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Andrew Colvett]

Because I had a pitch for you too.

[Daisy]

I'm ready.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm ready for this and this.

[Tim Pool]

This.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I'm gonna say this. And people forget I said this at CPAC as well. What if we invite Taylor?

[Daisy]

It's just not even a possibility.

[Andrew Colvett]

Why? Why not? Whoa, whoa.

[Daisy]

My question is Bad Bunny only sings in Spanish. Are they trying to. Back to Tim's point. Are they trying to broaden their audience to more international or bad. But they said 61% of Bad Bunnies listeners are 13 to 27. So are they trying to. They've already been losing their older audience. The NFL has been losing their older audience from the kneeling. From the.

[Andrew Colvett]

The end. Racism.

[Daisy]

Racism in the. In the end zones. So they already have this newfound Gen Z audience. They're like, oh. Gen Z's most streamed artists for the last five years is Bad Bunny. Let's have him. Most street artists globally.

[Tim Pool]

This is 2020.

[Daisy]

2020.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let me.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's all under the Great Migration.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry. The secret is streams are all fake. The reason why they got off of the sales model is because they control streams. People go on their streaming app, they click modern music and then the labels, the industry Say play Bad Bunny a hundred times. That's the way it works.

[Andrew Colvett]

So it's not people going in, selecting, I want to listen to Bad Bunny.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. There's always been with radio, who gets to be on radio?

[Andrew Colvett]

It's coveted, right, Paola?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Not even payola. Just the record labels would say, here's the songs we want in rotation that we have for you. And so were you chosen by the label to be in that list? There's finite space. Streaming's no different. Billboard used to track sales, they barely track sales anymore. Now it streams, and now you have bands and artists you've never heard of. Somehow the top charting artists. Yeah, because they just inject them and tell you they're popular.

[Andrew Colvett]

Interesting. Who decides that?

[Tim Pool]

The streaming platforms. Jay Z. Jay Z, probably.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. No, they've. They've run. They have run complete game.

[Daisy]

I mean, even. I think we see it not in the same area, but with Apple, Podcast, Spotify, Pocket, that no one releases how they actually rank everything. So Spotify can say, these are our most streamed artists. We don't know if they're streaming five seconds of that or the whole song.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know what I've realized, though? That music in general, as soon as, like, Napster came along and Limewire and all this stuff, it's just never, A, it's never been the same. And B, like, if you watch the Grammys, it's just a complete. Like, it's just low class. Like, music is just at a real. A real Nader, as they say.

All right, I want to say, though, and I'm like, daisy, I know we've been crosswise on this for. For years. At this point, I would be willing to say Taylor Swift, Creed crossover for the halftime show. What do you say?

[Daisy]

I need to look up and see if I even know a Creed song. I'm.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know that's probably seriously caboose. Let's, let's. Let's load up a creed. Just like 15 seconds of it.

Play higher. They're playing it like every baseball game. Well, that football kings were using it. The Rangers and then the Rangers use it all to take it all the way to the World Series.

And they won a Super bowl or a World Series when they. When they played it. Yeah, sorry, I'm getting my. So it's like.

It's like a huge thing right now in sports.

[Daisy]

Michael is working their first album. I was not. I Was Not Born yet.

[Andrew Colvett]

Do you know what Star wars is?

You've heard of the Beatles?

[Daisy]

I've never Seen Star Wars?

[Andrew Colvett]

You know what it is? Yeah, I have.

[Daisy]

I've heard.

[Andrew Colvett]

Have you ever read. Have you ever read the Bible? Because I guarantee that was written before you were born, so.

[Daisy]

I mean, not everything that happened before I was born, I know about. This is one of the things that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Happened before I was born. I remember when Charlie was using the. The. It was that the. The Alien Enemies Act. He's like, what are those debates?

Alien sedition.

Yes. John Adams. It was written in 1798 or whatever.

And he was like, you mean the First Amendment?

Yeah, the Constitution was written before that. It makes it Nolan Void now. Let it play. Let it play. Jack is. Jack is having a moment over here. I love being taken higher through a.

Place with golden screws A place where blind men see.

You know, I know you're explicitly Christian.

And always have been.

[Daisy]

I. I will be their newest fan.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's why they're Creed.

[Daisy]

I have to go back and listen.

[Tim Pool]

This is what you need to give to the younger generations, your traditions and your values.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, I totally agree.

That's why Creed. And this is what people were like, oh, well, what do you think about, like, Nickelback and. No, no, no. The reason that Creed is able to have the comeback that they've had is because Creed was always legitimately authentic about their beliefs, and they never once strayed for them. Other people were just, like, out there doing music or, like, playing, like, you.

Know, I mean, not to tie everything back to Charlie all the time. One of the reasons Charlie is Charlie, and one of the reasons why he's had this resonance around the world is because he was so authentically good, true, and decent.

And I think that's what Gen Z wants. They want authenticity and they want truth.

And I actually think you were kind of making a joke, but, like, it's so true. You got to think about the values that we pass down. And when you. When the NFL makes a decision like this, they're not only just making a bad business decision, in my opinion. And maybe it might be a good business decision, but it's. It's betraying the country.

[Tim Pool]

You've got a choice between three dog night and bad money. Come on. No question.

[Daisy]

Okay, well, I'm. I'm also not just saying this because, I mean, Jack also brought this up, and it was in talks. I think it was all alleged. I don't think any of it was true. But if the NFL is trying to hold on to their Gen Z audience, do we think Charlie would have been more or less mad if it was Taylor doing The super bowl or Bad Bunny doing the Super Bowl?

[Andrew Colvett]

Bad Bunny.

[Daisy]

Of course, Taylor's still Gen Z, but all in English.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, she's not Gen Z, though.

[Daisy]

No, but her audience would be Gen Z, so they're still retaining.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if that's true, actually. I think. I think Gen Z 1989. No, her audience, I think, was inferred by many people to be Gen Z, but I think actually was millennial.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Daisy]

But I think she does have a major jazzy audience as well. So I'm saying they could tie in all together Jack's point, which I don't think would ever happen. But a Creed Taylor Swift.

[Andrew Colvett]

But collab shows are known for, like, crossovers that people don't expect.

[Daisy]

So maybe Bad Bunny will bring out Creed.

[Tim Pool]

I just think Bad Bunny's not the super bowl either way.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I'm saying tp usa, same time. Creed Taylor.

[Daisy]

Whose Are we also hosting a rival game? Like, who's playing in this game? Are we doing? We're going to play schoolyard picks like Jack, Team captain.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Daisy]

Okay.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm on one team. Andrew's on the other team. Or maybe we'll get Benny Johnson out here and he'll be like, way over competitive with it.

[Tim Pool]

I will win.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm reading. I know, Benny. We'll do a funny. Yeah. So. But we're going to. I just want to read a couple emails here because I see some of you are emailing us asking why we haven't been playing any Bad Bunny tracks. Because. Because you're just like, what kind of music? I will tell you the answer to that is the studio. They told me that they refused to play Bad Bunny on this show. And I'm gonna honor that. So never, ever. They just came in my.

Oh, I just heard that.

Yeah, I refuse to listen to it.

It's banned.

We're banned. Bad Bunny, you know, Bad Bunny canceled. This isn't a place for you. So that's fine. Studios made their decision. I got another email here from Kimberly. She says, dear Charlie Kirk Team, I've been a faithful Charlie Kirk show watcher, listener for years. My family and I have been greatly encouraged by how Christ has been magnified since Charlie's passing. Thank you all. Praying for you all. Thank you so much. Kim means the world. There's so many.

We can magnify Christ by supporting a explicitly Christian band who happens to play the greatest rock music on the face of the planet, currently, ever. Just saying.

[Daisy]

Does it make you feel better that I not only don't know any Creed songs. I also don't know any Bad Bunny songs. Like, I'm not arguing.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I would actually argue that if I know your priest wasn't in, but that if you, like, heard that, you'd be like, oh, those guys.

Yeah, you would. You would.

Yeah. Like, they're very well known.

Another email here from Lois. She says you guys have been having a very important conversation today. Semantics and framing events are key methods by which the left dominates the narrative and impacts public perception. Yes. Yes, Lois, that is exactly right. Kelly says, good afternoon. Thank you all for what you guys are doing. I enjoy watching halftime band from Carl. I hate pop music in all genres. Want a masculine band for the Super Bowl? Choose either Slayer or High on Fire. Creed is too soft and pop. I hate it.

[Daisy]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Colvett]

Lead singer. I've seen Slayer. Yeah.

[Daisy]

Creed too soft. And have you heard that Creed is too soft?

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

If you're a metalhead, then you would say Creed is too soft for sure.

Oh, this is great. This is actually a good idea from Tanner. At halftime show, President Trump should break in the new Rose Garden and DJ his own music.

He does?

No, but, like, counter program it.

Oh, during the hatch.

Yeah, during the hatch.

[Daisy]

Well, they're. They're supposed. They also will announce at some point who's gonna sing the national anthem.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, what if we have Creed in.

The Rose in the road? We've just figured it out.

[Daisy]

We need someone to anthem.

[Andrew Colvett]

Terrible.

[Tim Pool]

Mr. President, if you're listening.

[Daisy]

If you're listening, could be Creed for national anthem, Trump DJing halfway time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or just Creed in, like, the south lawn with, like, 6,000 people.

Give Trump a guitar and a mic.

Thank you, guys. Tim Pool, you honor us by being here. Thank you, my friend.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you. Thanks for having me. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk. Com.