The Spencer Pratt Homeless Plan + AMA 267

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: The Spencer Pratt Homeless Plan + AMA 267
Date: May 22, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest Contributors: Andrew, Blake, Daisy Phelps, Mikey McCoy, Rich Barris (Big Data Poll), Jason Rantz (seattlered.com)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the intersection of pop culture, politics, and policy: a breakdown of Spencer Pratt’s innovative—some say controversial—plan to address homelessness in Los Angeles, an AMA (Ask Me Anything) with Charlie’s co-hosts and guest experts, and candid reflections on Thomas Massie’s election defeat and its implications for the America First/MAGA coalition and generational voter turnout. The show explores themes like political branding, despair among young voters, and the future of conservative engagement in culture and governance.

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Main Theme

A candid and practical discussion on Spencer Pratt’s "common sense" homelessness plan, the state of conservative politics and cultural influence, voter turnout shifts, and movement leadership—with reflections on faith, courage, and cultural engagement.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Memorial Day and the Meaning of Real Holidays

[01:17 – 02:00]

• Hosts reflect on the significance of Memorial Day as one of America’s "meaningful" civic holidays, contrasting it with newer holidays like Juneteenth.
• Emphasis on family, remembrance, and nationwide celebrations.

Tone: Patriotic, reflective.

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2. The Spencer Pratt Homeless Plan: Substance Over Slogan

Pratt’s Rise in LA Politics

[02:52 – 05:02]

• Jason Rantz describes Spencer Pratt’s appeal: connecting with everyday concerns in urban America, leveraging non-traditional media and relatability.
• “He’s doing it in a way that really reaches folks who don’t normally pay attention to politics…they just see it as common sense.” — Jason Rantz [04:05]

The Five Point Plan—Spencer Pratt (campaign ad)

[08:03 – 09:34]

1. Break the cycle: End distribution of drug paraphernalia.
2. Uphold the law: Use existing psychiatric holds to intervene with illicit drug users.
3. End body brokering: Stop nonprofit exploitation of homelessness.
4. Bring in the DEA: Target international drug cartels operating locally.
5. Modern Treatment Facilities: Build large, safe rehab campuses away from residential areas.

Quote:
“Los Angeles doesn't have a homeless problem. We have a drug problem… The laws are there. We just need to use them.” — Spencer Pratt (campaign ad) [08:03]

Panel’s Analysis

[09:34 – 14:06]

• Jason Rantz calls Pratt’s ideas "nothing innovative—just basic, common sense steps."
• Critique of the "homeless industrial complex," NGOs profiting from non-solutions.
• Emphasis on enforcement and accountability over endless, ineffective spending.
• “If you've been in charge this entire time and homelessness has gotten worse, you do not get to continue cashing those checks.” — Jason Rantz [15:21]

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3. The State of the Conservative Coalition: MAGA, America First, and Young Voters

Rich Barris on Voter Trends

[18:38 – 26:36]

• Deconstructs the Thomas Massie loss: a schism between "MAGA" and broader "America First" identities.
• Key finding: Overwhelming senior turnout, deep Gen Z/young voter indifference and nihilism.
• “If they're not going to come out for Massie, we have a huge problem.” — Rich Barris [24:37]
• The Republican coalition’s challenge post-Trump: “Without Trump on the ballot, these younger people still don’t vote.” [25:27]

Generational Divide and Disaffected Youth

[23:18 – 30:30]

• 18–29 voters made up as little as 2–5% of primary voters, even when supporting candidates like Massie by 80%+.
• The theory: youth disillusionment is fueled by economic despair and a sense of hopeless inheritance loss.
• “They feel like their inheritance has been squandered by a selfish older generation and a ruling class who does it at their expense. And they're. They're pissed. They're mad.” — Rich Barris [29:54]

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4. The Minnesota Dark Horse and Trump’s Kingmaker Effect

[30:52 – 36:00]

• New polling shows outsider Mike Lindell ("the MyPillow guy") could win Minnesota’s GOP primary decisively with Trump’s endorsement.
• “There really are two Republican parties in Minnesota…with Trump Republicans now being incredibly impactful.” — Rich Barris [34:43]
• A plea not to write off “surprise” states and voter blocks.

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5. Culture, Pop Culture, and Conservative Engagement

[53:02 – 61:13]

• Mick asks why conservatives have struggled to break into mainstream pop culture.
• Panel notes: conservatives’ tendency to “look down on” pop culture or let it run amok, but this is shifting—credit to figures like Charlie Kirk and platforms like podcasting.
• “When good things happen in pop culture, we all need to praise those things…We don't need to be naysayers about everything.” — Daisy Phelps [55:20]
• Discussion on the pitfalls of ideological storytelling and the value of simply telling good stories.
• “Stop putting the pressure on you to make overtly conservative stuff. Make good stories. Our culture is going to reflect the values of its people.” — Andrew [58:33]

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6. AMA: Faith, Courage, and Carrying On After Charlie

Faith and Mission

[61:13 – 67:58]

• Listener asks about taking on big faith-based tasks; panel shares stories of stepping up in uncertainty.
• Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s courage, rooted in faith and continuous prayerful connection.
• “Once you make the decision, being steadfast, honoring the Lord, continuing to talk with him, pray, rely on the Holy Spirit… that's what grounded him (Charlie).” — Mikey McCoy [62:50; 64:26]

“No Black Pilling!”

• Emphasis on not giving in to defeatism or nihilism, both culturally and politically.
• “No black pill. Stop black pilling!” — Team, recalling Charlie’s mantra [51:16]

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7. Lightning Round: Ticks, Culture, and Political Branding

On Engineered Tick Allergies & Cultural Infiltration

[70:06 – 74:51]

• Audience question about allegations of genetically engineered ticks spreading meat allergies; panel describes real research, cautions, and ethics concerns.
• Reinforces urgency for government focus on biosecurity and disease control.

Spencer Pratt as "CHUD"

• “CHUD” explained: term of derision for “cool” right-wingers who refuse to follow cultural leftist dictates.
• “You just do things and you tell the left no… If you roll your eyes at that and say, ah, that's cool, I'm gonna do it anyway… you’re a chud.” — Blake [74:29]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.” — Charlie Kirk [00:03]
• “You can put out a lot of really well produced videos, AI or otherwise, but if they're not talking about the issues the way that people see them, it doesn't really matter…” — Jason Rantz [06:02]
• “There is this homeless industrial complex that is real, that exists, and they're the ones who are pushing the harm reduction model...” — Jason Rantz [11:03]
• “If you are right now in this nonprofit space… and homelessness has gotten worse, you do not get to continue cashing those checks.” — Jason Rantz [15:21]
• “We have to start to see evidence that without Trump on the ballot, these younger people still come out…” — Rich Barris [25:27]
• “Stop putting the pressure on you to make overtly conservative stuff. Make good stories.” — Andrew [58:33]
• “No black pill. Look at it. So I really want to get in mind, everyone. That's amazing.” — Blake [51:16]
• “Once you make the decision, being steadfast, honoring the Lord, continuing to just talk with him, pray, rely on the Holy Spirit... that's what grounded him [Charlie].” — Mikey McCoy [62:50]
• "You just do things and you tell the left no... If you roll your eyes at that and say, 'ah, that's cool, I'm gonna do it anyway,' you're a chud." — Blake [74:29]

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Memorable Moments

• Spencer Pratt’s campaign ad breakdown: clear, methodical, and media-savvy approach to LA’s homelessness crisis.
• Rich Barris’s frank admission that young conservative voters are failing to turn out, even for their champions.
• Candid anecdotes about Charlie Kirk’s courage, faith, and the team’s struggle to pick up the baton after his death.
• Listener questions driving spontaneous, unscripted conversation about everything from African missions to possible bio-engineering of ticks.

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Key Timestamps

• [08:03] — Spencer Pratt’s Five Point Homeless Plan (campaign ad)
• [15:21] — Rantz’s critique of the "homeless industrial complex"
• [18:38] — Rich Barris on the fallout of the Massie defeat and generational turnout
• [24:37] — Barris: “If they're not going to come out for Massie, we have a huge problem.”
• [34:43] — The Trump endorsement effect in Minnesota’s GOP primary
• [51:16] — “No black pilling!” mantra
• [62:50] — Reflections on faith and courage, inspired by Charlie Kirk

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Conclusion

This episode encapsulates the Charlie Kirk show’s style: a blend of grassroots political strategy, cultural commentary, and unapologetically conservative analysis, grounded in faith and animated by the urgency of cultural crisis but refusing despair. It highlights the challenges and hopes facing the American right: how to fight the “homeless industrial complex,” galvanize a younger generation, tell better stories, and display courage in both public and private life.

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For listeners seeking clarity, actionable ideas, and cultural camaraderie—from homelessness policy to pop culture, and from polling to prayer—this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold [e-mail] that is noblegoldinvestments.com.

[Andrew]

all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Friday, May 22nd. We are here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. How are we doing, Blake?

[Blake]

We're doing great.

[Andrew]

It seems like a. Like one of those days where it's a holiday. I was gonna say we're all gearing

[Blake]

up and it's a good holiday. It's. I think of America's various real holidays,

[Andrew]

as opposed to Juneteenth or.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, the ones we really celebrate. I think Memorial Day is the most probably meaningful one, even more than Fourth of July, which is really good.

[Andrew]

Besides Christmas or Easter. Yes, those are religious.

[Blake]

I wish Easter was a US Holiday, but.

[Andrew]

Well, okay, but it's a. Yeah, I get. I get what you mean. But as far as civic holidays go, I do agree with you. Memorial Day is a really powerful one. And I have a brother that serves and family members that serves. I'm sure you've got that throughout your family and friends. So we all remember the fallen this weekend. And listen, spend time with your family. Enjoy the long weekend. There's going to be massive celebrations in Washington, D.C. and around the country, of course. And I know that Real America's Voice is going to be covering all of that on Monday, all the parades and the wreath laying. So do check out this channel on Monday because it's going to be great. And we're going to be having a Memorial Day special. As well, which I think will immediately follow that. So check it all out. In the meantime, we got news to cover, and I was taken by a release from Spencer Pratt. I've been watching that campaign very closely, and he's got a really, really fascinating and I think, compelling plan to combat homelessness, which is, I think, one of the more intractable problems that many big cities face. And it's their own choice, certainly. Here to help us unpack that right at the jump is Jason Rantz. He's host of the Jason Rantz show on Seattle Red 770 up in Seattle. He's a West Coaster through and through and is just a glutton for punishment. He's also the author of the book what's Killing America? Jason, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you.

[Jason Rantz]

Yeah, thanks for having me back.

[Andrew]

So you had homework. I said, you gotta watch this video, Spencer Pratt, because, yes, Spencer Pratt is running a really remarkable campaign in many ways, and I'd love to just get your initial reaction to that. But he's using media in ways that nobody's done before. AI Organic creators in LA in the movie space are making their own Spencer Pratt campaign ads. We'll get into the homeless piece, but just on the top of it, as a West coast urban American, what's it like to see somebody like Spencer Pratt emerge on the scene and actually apparently have a legitimate chance? Maybe he's not favored yet, but he could become mayor of la.

[Jason Rantz]

He could. Look, he's gaining momentum, and he's doing it in a way that I think really reaches folks who don't normally pay attention to politics. There are a lot of folks, and this is really the issue with Donald Trump and even to another extent, like Zoran Mohamdani, where they were able to speak to people and energize people who maybe don't normally vote. Now, one case didn't like that they were able to do that. But for President Trump, we're obviously a fan of him getting those folks to vote. And I think Spencer Pratt is really connecting with people who look at a lot of these issues and say they're not inherently political. When we're talking about public safety and homelessness, drug use on our streets, the average person, no matter how it is they vote, they don't look at this and say, well, that's a Democratic issue or that's a Republican issue. They just see it as common sense. And Spencer Pratt is able to connect Republican policies with common sense approaches. And that's really why I'm so Excited for what he's able to do.

[Andrew]

Jason, what you just said, I think is really the model for how conservatives, let's just call them not even conservatives, let's call them common sense Americans in an urban environment. Non lobbyist. It's all local. It's all local, actually. As a matter of fact, as much as I love the president, the worst thing that could have happened to Spencer Pratt was President Trump going, I heard he's maga. You know, it's like, just leave him alone, let him cook. Right? And so I would just say, like, what you said I think is really, really important because so many of our American cities, you see this up close in Seattle, have gotten away from the bread and butter of just making the trains run on time, like cleaning up the filth, making sure people can walk the streets safely. It's gotten so ideological that they've lost sight of just basic common sense stuff. And I feel like that's the magic to the Spencer Pratt campaign. Yes, he's charismatic. Yes, he's good with media. Yes, he's like a social media campaign. But it's getting back to the bread and butter stuff where common sense Americans are going, like, yeah, that makes sense.

[Jason Rantz]

You can put out a lot of really well produced videos, AI or otherwise, but if they're not talking about the issues the way that people see them, it doesn't really matter what like, makes the most sense. To explain why he's taking off the way that he has, it's because he's talking about issues that people see and experience every single day. He can get to the emotional arguments by simply saying to a parent, do you want to feel the way you do when you're walking in a park with your kid and you're seeing someone smoking fentanyl or using a playground as a toilet and you don't have to lean into the emotion beyond just telling people what it is they're currently experiencing and allows them to get emotional on their own. And those are the best. He's obviously very clever, he is very charismatic in these pitches, but he's just, he's talking about things the way the average person sees them. And there's not a single person, again, regardless of how they vote, who says to themselves, yeah, I like the idea of going to a park that's been completely taken over by the homeless. No one holds those positions except, I guess, radicals on the left.

[Andrew]

I totally agree. And you know, it's interesting. So much of our modern political discourse between left and right just feels like, are you for the Third world or are you for the first world? Do you want America to look like a first world country or a third world country? I mean, and you've got, in your city, you've got a socialist mayor that just basically called on everybody to boycott Starbucks. Like one of the established corporate entities, the heartbeat of the city. You drive past downtown, south of downtown, you see that HQ right there with the, with the logo on it? She's calling to boycott. Start now. She's walking that back.

[Blake]

She now says it did more harm than good. Imagine that.

[Andrew]

Truly remarkable. And I want to play this Spencer Pratt mashup if we have it loaded. And then I want to get your reaction on the other side. I don't know if we're going to get it in time here. Oh, it is. It's loaded as 10. Let's go ahead and run it. Jason Rantz and your reaction on the other side.

[Spencer Pratt (campaign ad voice)]

Los Angeles doesn't have a homeless problem. We have a drug problem. Street medical teams administer Narcan to reverse opioid overdoses. It blocks the opioid receptors in the brain so the addict could shoot up as much heroin as they want. It won't do a thing. The problem is Narcan only lasts for a day or two and it doesn't break the addiction cycle. There is a longer lasting anti narcotic drug called Vivitrol that does what Narcan does, but. But it lasts for 30 days, giving a much better chance of breaking the addiction. The problem is the addict must be sober for seven to 14 days before it can be administered. So we have this donut hole between the 48 hours of protection with the Narcan and the two weeks of sobriety needed to administer the Vivitrol. Step one, break the cycle. No more distribution of drug paraphernalia. Karen Bass and Nithya Raman currently pay NGOs millions of dollars to increase drug usage and profit off the misery of these drug addicts. I'm putting an end to this profiteering currently. Step two, we have the laws. We just need to use them. Step three, end the body brokering. Many of the addicts you see around your neighborhood are bused in from other states in order for local NGOs to profit off their addiction. Step four, bring in the DEA. We have international cartels operating in the open on our streets. Step Step 5, a modern treatment facility. I've already made plans with several high profile developers who want to donate resources to build a large, modern and safe campus where we can administer rehab outside of our Residential neighborhoods.

[Andrew]

All right, Jason, so the five points, just to reiterate them, break the cycle. So stop distributing drug paraphernalia. No more free needles or crack pipes. Uphold the law. So place illicit drug users on a 5150 hold for 72 hours. It's involuntary. It's a psychiatric hold. Step three, stop body brokers. These are the NGOs that Blake and I rail against basically every day on this show that are, we think, ruining America. They're fleecing the taxpayers, getting rich on it, whatever. Bring in the dea that's target international drug cartels in the streets and then build modern treatment facilities outside of residential communities so they don't bear the brunt of having a bunch of homeless crackheads wander around the schools, in the parks. Okay, so he's got a whole plan to build those outside. What, what do you make of this five point plan?

[Jason Rantz]

Jason Rance is brilliant for one simple reason. The left oftentimes talk about how we have to get innovative and all these. None of what he just said is innovative. It's just basic stuff. It's common sense is doing what every single person knows needs to be done. Like, let's not hand out crack pipes. I know that that is crazy.

[Andrew]

That.

[Jason Rantz]

How dare someone actually say that? But that's literally what's going on. You know, last year I went to the King County Seattle public health office and I went in and I got a whole bunch of drug materials, drug paraphernalia. I got a crack pipe, I was given tinfoil to smoke, fentanyl, all of these different things. Perhaps we should stop giving that out to drug addicts and we should actually treat them. This whole idea that we should be handing out Narcan not because they want to get people into treatment, but, but so that they can continue to use without dying from an overdose. They like to say all the time that we don't want to stigmatize drug addiction. I do want to stigmatize drug use. Simple as that. I want to stigmatize that because it's going to kill these people. And I would rather have someone harmed, quote unquote, because they had their feelings hurt that we called them out for being a drug user than have them die on our streets. And so everything that he is proposing there is going to be seen as controversial. To the folks who make a whole lot of money when you've got drug addicts on our streets, there is this homeless industrial complex that is real, that exists, and they're the ones who are pushing the harm reduction model for those of you who don't know. Harm reduction is essentially a strategy, they say, to reduce the harm of illicit substance abuse so that you can get someone into treatment. The problem, of course, on paper that sounds great. In reality, they never get anyone into treatment. They don't push treatment. They simply push making it, quote unquote, safer to continue to use drugs because they don't want to stigmatize the drug user. It is a failed policy and it's exactly why we're seeing the crisis on the ground as bad as we're seeing it across the country.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the third worlding of the United States starts with allowing chaos, drug use, crime, filth to reign supreme. And if you look at just spending totals, you would think that the Democrats really do care because they do throw a lot of money at this.

[Blake]

I assure you they care. They care because as you said, the homeless industrial complex, like last year, Los Angeles, they paid, they spent about $418 million on stuff that you'd say is homeless related. Well, if you run, just run the numbers by the addicts, that's something like 15, $20,000 to a homeless person. You can take it over long times and all the stuff that comes into it. Billions, certainly billions if you include what the hospitals have to pay for it, what a lot of institutions end up shelling out. But just the government there. And that money's obviously not going to the homeless individuals. It's going to these NGOs that are fighting homelessness. I'd be tempted to add a sixth point to this, which he probably won't, but a sixth point for ending homelessness might as well be cut anti homelessness spending to zero. You can have law enforcement budget, you can have drug enforcement budget, you can have treatment centers for people who are addicted. But anything that's going to be branded as fighting homelessness. I would posit that there is a direct relationship. The more you spend on fighting homelessness, the more homeless people you have. You are funding an apparatus of parasitic individuals who don't want to end homelessness, who want to enable all of those suicidal behaviors. LA has spent over the past decades billions of dollars fighting homelessness. What's the result? They have 60,000 homeless people in LA County. 60,000 and I think it's insane, 40,000 in Los Angeles itself. That would be the. I think that would be the second largest city in the state.

[Andrew]

I'm from South Dakota. So what's interesting though is his tone. He's saying you would never do this to your son or daughter. You would never do this To a family member, you would never enable their addiction. And he's saying, guess what? We're gonna use the laws on the books to mandate, like, these arrests. Basically, he's saying that the laws already exist where we can take these people off the streets, force them to get clean, use these better drugs to force, you know, that they don't relapse. But we're not doing that right now. He calls it a donut hole. So it's compassion with practical accountability and application of the current laws. Wouldn't that be quite the thing?

[Jason Rantz]

Yeah, you don't really have to do anything beyond what you can do right now, but you're choosing not to. Arguably, the only thing you would need to do is maybe put some more resources into detox facilities, because unfortunately, they have chosen not to do that up until this point. But you've got all the laws on the books that you need. You just need enforcement. You need actual enforcement. And oftentimes, you know, every once in a while, there'll be like a sweep of some homeless encampment, whether it's LA or Seattle or anywhere else. But you're not pushing them into treatment. You're just pushing them literally, in some cases across the street for them to reset a new camp. And then you say, oh, look, we've made our contact, we've offered them resources, but they're not going to take you up on your resources. If you make it so easy to continue to be a homeless drug addict, you actually have to have a carrot and stick approach. In every single jurisdiction that has done that, and that includes San Diego in some cases, Austin, Marysville, Washington, they actually take a harder line approach to this and they see actual data. Orange county is another great example. If you are right now in this nonprofit space and you're working with the homeless and you're getting these big contracts, I'm okay with nonprofits getting the contracts. You actually have to show that you have results. And so if you've been in charge this entire time and homelessness has gotten worse, you do not get to continue cashing those checks. I want these groups to understand that they need to put themselves out of business. But you've got a lot of groups that continue to get a whole lot of money because they know that homelessness doesn't have to get better under their watch. They have job security. I want to take away that job security. And the most dedicated people are the ones who know that they're going to try to put themselves out of work when they approach homelessness with the actual end goal of ending it.

[Andrew]

Well, listen, I think Spencer Pratt's running a great campaign, Jason. Check him [e-mail] keep up the good fight, my friend. We've all been told to eat fruits and vegetables forever, but nobody really explained why. What if I told you that plants have their own nutrition and that it might be better for you than a lot of processed stuff we've added? If nutrition feels overwhelming, it helps to take a step back and zoom out. When you eat whole foods, you're getting what's called phytonutrients, natural compounds your body uses to adjust, repair and to respond every single day. Stresses balance of nature takes real produce and runs it through a tailored vacuum cold process that stabilizes that phytonutrition. Their whole health system combines fruits and vegetables and fibers and spice, giving you 47 whole food ingredients. And their Phytonutrition is one simple routine. Their new freeze dried snacks go through a similar process. So your snacks can be whole based, whole food based instead of just empty calories. Whole food Phytonutrition plus balance of nature helps you fight the good fight. Save over 30% when you subscribe@ balanceofnature.com Join hundreds of thousands of customers in one simple routine that's changing the world. You can get an additional 10% off your order just by using the discount code Charlie when you [e-mail] that's discount code Charlie for 10% off your order. Rich Barris, Big Data Poll. He's also the author of the book Burn it down, which is quite the title. But Rich, you've been doing okay. So I wanted to have you on the show because there's been so much made of this Massey fight and you've been kind of waving the banner out there saying increasingly there is this disconnect between America first and maga, those who identify as America first versus maga. Now, I have a perspective on this and what's really happening, but I want to pick your brain. What do you think is driving more and more people identifying as America first as opposed to maga?

[Rich Barris]

Well, Andrew, and as always, thanks for having me on. I think the Massey defeat settled a lot of this for me. And what's going on? Look, I think that MAGA has changed and you know, who identifies as MAGA has changed. In the case of Thomas Massie, that was, that was a problem for him because they changed into older white voters who tend to vote at higher rates in primaries. And if you are still wanting, if you're Not a traditional Republican. And you lean to the right, you may be mad and upset about some things that have been going on. So we, when you get the chance, you'll identify as America first instead. And I think that is a, an issue for the Republican Party. A midterm was always going to be tough. Andrew, we talked so much in 24 about the low prop voters getting these low proposition voters out, propensity voters out and under 45 millennials and down were so key to Donald Trump winning.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Rich Barris]

And that was always going to be a challenge.

[Andrew]

Yes. This is what I want to get into here. Okay. Because yeah, I texted you and we talked a little bit and I said I'm tempted, Rich, to say you were wrong about Massey. And you're like, I wasn't wrong. I mean, no, but okay, because you had it at about 5050. To be fair, you were calling it either way. But what happened that surprised you in that race?

[Rich Barris]

Okay, so this is why I called it at 50 50. Even though any pollster is pulled Republican primaries knows that you should drop out younger people and make sure old electorate. Why we didn't do that was the entire point is because Kentucky 4 is filled with young voters who do vote in primaries. They have vote history. So we gave them the benefit of the doubt and kept them in there. All right, so it goes to what I'm, what I'm saying here. I guess it, I was wrong because the problem with young voters is worse than I thought it was, which isn't what people want to hear. But we have seen this in other races and it's why I was, you know, telling my people as we were doing the poll and doing the videos. I was really reluctant. Like, I was pretty certain that that would, you know, that this would be my first miss because it is my first miss.

[Andrew]

All right, so let me, let me, I'm just going to make sure I'm translating it for the layman at home. So you were looking at the numbers and we saw this, that every group under 65 favored Massey significantly. Like it wasn't even close, actually. But over 65, that you could call them the Boomer cons, you could call the Fox cons, whatever you want to call them. That group favored Gowren by like a sizable margin. It was like a tail of two electorates. It was over 65 and under 65. You're saying what happened was you were including in your poll predictions that the younger voters were going to turn out in something similar to what we saw in the midterm because Massie had great appeal with young people. You figured that Massie would be enough to overcome the nihilism, but he wasn't. They still didn't turn up and turn out for this primary. And why do you think they didn't show up? So, and what ended up happening, it was over 65 over indexed. They punched above 20 points.

[Rich Barris]

20 points, guys. So they're 25% of registered Republicans. 65 and above. They're going to come in at 45%. The generation X. And this was the Trump people that they do this, this like mo. And they're very good at it. They target specifically that 62 and above. And then if they're hitting Gen X, it's low propensity Gen X that they know are loyal to the president. So and I mean on the older end of that, guys. So like the 55 to 61. Right. So they nailed it and they did incredible. So even getting that side of Gen X out. See, you can even see this there. Even Gen X supported Massey slightly. But I think we're going to learn that they probably slightly supported Golran because the Trump campaign did such a good job getting out just their Gen Xers. And this is the risk I took, brother. This was the risk I took. $35 million, almost like let's call it 32 spent in a primary, which is ungodly. Sometimes when you're doing that, it can backfire and you target those ads to the old Fox Boomer cons. But because the race gets so much national attention, it ends up backfiring and you wind up driving higher Turnout up anyway. The 18-29s, we all 4 or 5% of the vote. They're going to fall to like 2. Andrew. I'm not even kidding. So they just, they are normally 8% in a Republican primary.

[Andrew]

That's the 18 to 29 in that race was an 8020 split. It's 80% in favor of Massie, 20% for Gyles. Yeah, yeah, you're telling me they're going to come. They're only going to account for 2% of the, the primary electorate there.

[Rich Barris]

I'm telling, I'm telling you, when all this is said and done, they're usually 6 to 8 and in some cases could rise as high as 10. They make up 14% of the overall registered vote. But they did not vote.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Rich Barris]

And 30 to 44, they're like 23. And I guess I bet you they come in at like 11.

[Andrew]

And so I don't mean to talk over you Rich. I'm just so fast.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Andrew]

Topic. So obviously at Turning Point that's what we're focused on, the young people and I've been warning people, I've been trying to like shake people saying like we've got nihilism setting in. It's not that a lot of it's not that. It's not our kids, it's the kids that are interacting with the tabling. Right. It's the kids that come up to their booth and they go defend Epstein, defend the Iran war and it's like you're talking to a wall. So my point is like the larger Gen Z electorate, is it just that you're seeing that they opt out and you were actually a little bit more optimistic. You're like, hey, they still believe because it's Massey. Is it so? Yeah. Is it so nihilistic, is it so black pilled that they're just like screw it.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah. I mean I think that guys, this primary answered it. There was 105000 votes. 65 plus is is going to end up being, you know, a ridiculous share of that. There are only 72000 of them registered in that district. They voted at extremely high rates and people under 45 did not. I mean if they're not going to come out for Massey, we have a huge problem. And this is not something that hasn't happened elsewhere. We've actually seen this in primaries and in specials now for the last two almost going on I was going to ask.

[Andrew]

Yeah Rich, what about like Indiana primaries where, where we got all those, those the Rhinos, like is the same thing there. What about the, what about the Paxton, Cornyn, Wesley Hunt. Okay, yeah, I mean leaning old, they.

[Rich Barris]

It wasn't a terrible turnout for Republicans and this is what I was trying to explain to people when I saw that Democrats outvoted Republicans in Texas. It's not that it was a terrible normal primary turnout in Texas for Republicans it was terrible compared to what we knew we needed to do with the coalition after 24 there were challenges like you can't going along to get along without Donald Trump on the ballot is not going to work. We have to start to see evidence that without Trump on the ballad these younger people still come out, these non white people still vote. They're not. I mean we gave you this stat before because why do race matters too? Because the younger and you guys know this, you know, older America is whiter, younger America is less white. So when you see in 24, 42% of Hispanics in Georgia pulled Democratic ballads. Now, compared to last Tuesday, 75% of Hispanics coupled on top of New Jersey, which we saw this too, coupled on top of Texas, which we got blown out in Trump's Hispanic southern Texas counties. This is a massive problem.

[Andrew]

You can't drive away men. What's, what's driving. What?

[Rich Barris]

They wanted domestic agenda, Andrew. They wanted a domestic agenda. And it's funny because we did this huge study on immigration and dealing with ICE even long before it became news headlines. And they weren't happy and they wanted some things changed. But immediately the conventional wisdom said, well, it's, it's because of how we were deporting people. And it's not. If we changed a few things on how deportations were being handled, they would have been perfectly fine with it. They still majority support deep mass deportations. Hispanic Americans, guys, they still majority support it. It's just that they felt that this administration, after three, maybe five months, just completely gave up on the domestic agenda. I mean, there's no. I can't glaze it, you know, that's it they want.

[Andrew]

He's talking about affordability, economic affordability.

[Rich Barris]

Yep.

[Andrew]

So do you think. I mean, the breaking news today is that Wash is taking over as Fed chairman. Trump's promising that he's gonna, you know, super growth of the economy, new pov, getting rid of Jerome Powell. I mean, those are the right messaging notes to hit that, you know, change is coming, a regime change at the Fed. Maybe we can supercharge some growth. Needs to happen soon, though. Needs to happen soon.

[Rich Barris]

Hours late. You know, it's May 22nd. The hour is late.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I don't disagree, Rich. I don't disagree. You know what's crazy here, Rich? I'm just seeing this, I guess this new Fox News poll. 18 to 29 year olds are minus 19 on border security being better now than under Biden.

[Jason Rantz]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What the heck do you make of that? Like, that's, like that's anger. That doesn't make any sense.

[Rich Barris]

It doesn't. And honestly, our registered voter economic confidence index, I saw it with others. I think it was Gallup in the consumer sentiment index. We know for a fact the border is better under Donald Trump. We know for a fact that certain economic indicators, including inflation, is better under Donald Trump. It's maybe not great, it's not what they want to see, but we know it's better. I mean, there was a period in 2022, I believe it was May of 22, when we shot up to nearly 10% on one month for inflation. So this is anger. This is because Joe Biden, about. Joe Biden didn't run on putting America first and putting affordability first and, you know, fixing the economy. Going back to the pre Covid economy, which is an unfair expectation of Donald Trump to just come in and wave like this magic wand and put it back to a pre. Covid. Covid structurally damaged our economy. So I feel like that was an unfair expectation. But as the job of a campaign and then as a White House's job, you know, from a messaging point of view, that's your job to frame that correctly so people understand that and don't hold too high of expectations of you. And they, they haven't done that. But this is just because they. Listen, guys, I said this the other night and it, I think it stuck, and I hope it did. We need to start to appreciate the level of despair and desperation almost that a lot of these younger voters had and took with them to go vote for Donald Trump.

[Jason Rantz]

And J.D.

[Rich Barris]

vance, a lot of these voters, especially under 45, felt like these guys, this ticket was their last chance at righting the ship, renewing American prosperity and getting their American dream back. They feel like their inheritance has been squandered by a selfish older generation and a ruling class who does it at their expense. And they're. They're pissed. They're mad. I mean, it's not. I mean, that's. I have tried now for months to try to get people to understand and try to get people to see. And now, unfortunately, we're starting to see the. We're. We're bearing the fruits of it.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, you've got a new polling out, Rich, out of Minnesota, which I think is interesting because you got this huge DOJ crackdown, you got the task force hitting fraud, you've got all this kind of stuff going on, and you have a new poll here. Yeah, we just threw it up. What are we looking at here? Because you're pulling governor of Minnesota, which is an interesting, interesting thing for you to pull, Rich. It is.

[Rich Barris]

I love pulling Minnesota. For those who have followed me for a long time, it is my great white whale. I have forever thought that Donald Trump was like, the perfect candidate for, on the Republican side to win the state of Minnesota. And I actually think that there are some potential bright spots in Minnesota in the midterms, you know, where Republicans are looking around the map wondering, where can we make gains? Well, you have a perfect narrative brewing for the governor of Minnesota. We did poll this, you know, to See, where, you know, Mike was. Mike Lindell leads Lisa DeMuth, which is incredible. Lisa is the speaker, the Minnesota speaker of the House of Representatives. And why does Mike Lindell lead her. Because the base is looking for a fight. They want a fight. And I think that's what it comes down to. They know Mike is, you know, outspoken and they want somebody to stand up.

[Andrew]

And so you're, you're telling me, you're telling me the pillow guy, Mike Lindell? Yeah, my pillow is. So I've. Okay, so just devil's advocate here, Rich. I've seen. And by the way, we love Mike and Mike's. Mike's a great fighter and a friend. It's not. No disrespect, I just hadn't paid attention to this race yet, and you were telling me you got to look at it. I have seen some polls that have Mike down in the poll. Yeah. So there are some that show him maybe running in second or third place. Do you. So you're, you're, this is brand new off the, off the press, though, right?

[Rich Barris]

Yeah. That we came out of the field on the 20th with this. You know, I mean, look, it's, you know, it was tighter maybe than I, I honestly expected him to be running away with name id. But he's not the Mike, my pillow guy. He's the Mike for election fraud fighter in the minds of a lot of base Republicans. Yeah, Lisa, you know, Lisa leads in. And that's, that's interesting you say that, because I do know somebody else who pulled it, too, and also had Lindell up by, by a little bit more than us. But, you know, you know, we're, we're two points.

[Andrew]

But what happens in a state like Minnesota? I mean, and I, I agree with you. The reason I wanted to go into this with you is because you got all this fraud. Tim Waltz against Backs against the Wall. People are fed up with it. It's become ground zero for so much of the left v. Right fight in this country. The third worlding of America is like, you know, Little Mogadishu is Minneapolis. Right. So you're kind of asking yourself, is this like one of these weird Trojan horse? Is this like a dark horse, rather, that could kind of come out of the left field and surprise us come November? What happens with Trump's endorsement in a state like Minnesota?

[Spencer Pratt (campaign ad voice)]

Yeah.

[Rich Barris]

And let me just. Before with the endorsement, this race is over. I mean, Lindell takes like a 20 point lead. It's interesting you just brought up the Twin Cities. You know, Lisa leads in the Twin Cities and Mike leads everywhere else. It's not like super, super, you know, blowout territory. There's a lot of votes even on the Republican primary. There's a lot of votes in the Twin Cities and Twin Cities burbs. But that goes to show you, you know, I mean, it's typical establishment support for an establishment candidate in and around the Twin City area and then everywhere else, east, central, the south, the north. Lindell leads with Trump's endorsement. Yeah, I did give the. I mean, I don't know if you guys got it, but yeah, with Trump's endorsement, what I noticed is that the, it, it's not just that some other candidates lose support. It's that the undecideds really do shrink. They, they, they're cut in half. There's still a lot of undecideds in this race. A lot. And with Donald Trump coming out and giving his endorsement to Lindell, it blows it out of the water, interestingly enough. And we didn't put it out yet, interestingly enough. It doesn't really help other candidates, so. Of course it does.

[Andrew]

Rich. Just. We got the graph right. So this is with Trump's endorsement. So if you did like a before and after, you see they're relatively close. Trump's endorsement holds a lot of weight in this. It looks like it does.

[Rich Barris]

And there are a lot of Republicans in Minnesota who are Trump Republicans, which is weird because you think of Minnesota and you guys remember bot. Bobby's World, don't you know? Bobby, right. Minnesota nice. Almost like Wisconsin nice kind of thing. They, they, you know, there's two, There really are two Republican parties in Minnesota. There's the one that's been there, you know, the, the Senator Coleman. Right. Remember Norm, there's that, there's that side of the Republican Party, the. Tim. Oh, my goodness. I'm sorry, Tim. I'm forgetting your last name. What was his name? You remember, he's the governor for years and he ran Blake, but he wound up going down.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Tim Pawlenty. I was the great hope of 2012 until, you know, the straw poll, and no one had heard of Tim Pawlenty.

[Mikey McCoy]

That's it.

[Rich Barris]

And, and then you have the new era, which is interesting because, again, this is a perfect prime.

[Mick]

Prime.

[Rich Barris]

I think it's prime. The state of Minnesota. You have hundreds of thousands of Trump voters who are difficult to get out in a midterm. And if Republicans did ever focus on getting them out, those are Trump, like Republicans in Minnesota, then they would win if they would pay more attention to this State guys. They may be pleasantly surprised. 2016 was a hair. 20, even 24 got much closer. It's not a state I think Republicans should give up on.

[Andrew]

Fascinating poll. I do agree it could be a dark horse. We should pay more attention to it. Rich Bears Big data Poll the People's Pundit. Thanks my friend. We'll see you soon.

[Rich Barris]

Thanks brother. All the best.

[Andrew]

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[Daisy Phelps]

I've never sat in this chair.

[Andrew]

Everybody's favorite culture analyst. Expert. Expert.

[Daisy Phelps]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You're basically the only one we have.

[Blake]

We need to do another. We need another. No stupid questions and another pop culture power.

[Andrew]

We can do that. Yeah. And we have. We have Mikey McCoy joining us.

[Blake]

We're getting emails about him. We're asking, where's Mikey? I want to have him on the show again.

[Mikey McCoy]

I'm the Nazi special guest.

[Andrew]

That is not true. You are amazing. You are remarkable. You were incredible and we love you and it's so good to have you back.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Back by popular demand.

[Mikey McCoy]

Been all over the place.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know.

[Mikey McCoy]

Baby Moon.

[Andrew]

You did a baby moon. I did this. Amazing.

[Blake]

Okay, I think that's our first public announcement that there would be a baby to moon over.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Andrew]

What's. Yeah, yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

There's a baby to moon over. It is funny though, how many people are like, what's a baby moon?

[Andrew]

What's a baby?

[Mikey McCoy]

No, it's like a millennial and below. It's like a millennial and below.

[Andrew]

So I want to get your emails now. Freedomarliekirk.com freedomarliekirk.com Send us your emails of what you want Mikey and Elizabeth to name their child.

[Mikey McCoy]

I was thinking Andrew and Blake combined. Maybe we'll ask Grok.

[Daisy Phelps]

Well, Blake had already chosen for me that she had to be Turning Point Baby. So you can't take that one.

[Andrew]

One. Okay. That Turning Point baby.

[Daisy Phelps]

As long as you don't name it.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah. Turning Point baby. That's what we were going to name yours. Something got in the way. Blandrew. That sounds. Okay. I'm putting a stop.

[Andrew]

You could call it Drake.

[Blake]

That sounds like a name someone might come up with too. Drake like the meme?

[Andrew]

No, like the rapper.

[Mikey McCoy]

Cuz he's like low key conservative now.

[Blake]

He is.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. He's like following JD on Instagram, liking conservative Nicki Minaj.

[Daisy Phelps]

Have you followed this culture person? I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay, I'm teaching the pop culture guru something right now.

[Daisy Phelps]

That's crazy.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah. Caboose goes. Yeah, but Drake is Canadian. That's a good point. Yeah, super fair point. So true. Listen, it is our ask us anything hour. It's the last hour. On Friday. I want to know what you guys are planning for Memorial Day. So if you don't watch the our Thought Crime show on Thursday, we did it last night. We put it on the podcast on Saturdays. We had a whole conversation about America 250 and how there is a perception that maybe the response to celebration is more muted than the bicentennial in 1976 where it seemed to take over the whole country. I am not blackpilling on the 250. I think it's going to be great. I think we're just getting into the swing of things. Memorial Day really is the kickoff, so that's hopefully where we're at. But anyway, send your questions in. Join us members.charliekirk.com you can join us at on this call. Do we have what's our first question? Danny David. David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Unmute yourself. And what's your question? My question is, first of all, thanks for what you do. My question is you talked about I wanted to know a little bit more about the Thomas Massie loss and what's your thoughts on that? I got so many thoughts. You know, it's interesting, David, I've been accused, I think the organization's been accused, Eric has been accused of betraying Charlie by not coming out and endorsing one way or the other, not being more involved in that race. I will tell you, and I haven't said this publicly, but the and I know this isn't necessarily a question, but it's an opportunity to address it. But you know, after the one big beautiful bill vote, you know, and I want to respect Charlie's privacy as well. It's always the tension in all of this. You know, there's private conversations. Charlie was a fan of Thomas Massie, especially historically, liked him on war, liked him on being a budget hawk and spending. But he was pretty frustrated that Massie didn't vote on in the affirmative on the big beautiful bill because it was essentially the totality of President Trump's first year agenda wrapped into one bill. And I will just say privately, Charlie was really, really frustrated.

[Blake]

Yeah, I think that's the right way to put it. And I think he would have become more frustrated over the events of the past nine months, which is we liked what Massie said. We liked his libertarian credentials. We liked him making the debt clock that ran on.

[Andrew]

I just don't like Massey.

[Blake]

And there's so many things to like about him, but he has, especially over the past few months, he's become the number one, let's Put it Republican, gadfly, Republican who gets in Trump's way, criticizes Trump and not just on debt or the war, but also on Epstein saying where there's this pedophile class that Trump is allied to, essentially. And I think Charlie would have been, as you said, very frustrated. He would have. And Charlie was not a guy who would feud publicly. He would have certainly been messaging Massie about that and being like, what's going on here? And he would have been very concerned with it. We don't know exactly what he'd say.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I don't know either.

[Blake]

But us being honest about it.

[Andrew]

Yeah. But I will tell you that I had some very candid conversations after the big beautiful bill where he voiced his frustration to me privately. I think, you know, the big concern with the Massie vote is the breakdown in generations. We just had Rich Barris on and we were talking about it. What you saw Was anybody under 65 supported Thomas Massie, but they didn't show up. And so that's a huge, huge issue. And in our position, sometimes we are. Sometimes our role is to be the voice of the Gen Z voter 18 to 29, and sometimes our role is to try and encourage them in a better way of thinking. Right. And so sometimes, sometimes we're out here saying, hey, they've got a really good point. And it is the affordability crisis really hard. They're not economic incumbents. They don't have a leg up. They don't have their securities. They don't have their stocks and bond and their properties. So you got to find a way to help them get into the. Get their foot in the door. Right. Okay. That's a valid critique. Okay. That's where we get to be the voice of Gen Z and sort of try and make their voice louder, make people in power understand and listen and acknowledge it when it comes to Epstein. And I'm open and listen. I've been a little bit more in the. Me and Blake kind of have a different.

[Blake]

We go back and forth.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we go back and forth. Blake is very much like, there's no there there. And it's, you know, at least not. Not at least not the blackmail ring of pedophiles for the billionaire class. And I've been more open to, like, okay, did he work with the CIA? Like, who was involved? Who was enabling him? But I do think on a. On a bigger level, when I'm trying to encourage Gen Z, it's like we have to deal in the realm of facts. There's too many people that are dealing in conspiracies and kind of going off the rails here. And the realm of facts is that Trump has been vindicated. In a lot of ways. This guy was a creep. Trump early saying, hey, he's messing around with young girls here. Go check him out. He was willing to work with authorities, work with the FBI early on. There's embarrassing stuff in there. People have been forced to resign. If there's criminal stuff there, I want it addressed. Absolutely. But in terms of this larger conspiracy where it's like 5D chess and you've got Masonic temples and cults and the Knights Templar and Israel all boiling, it's just like, it's not what the data points to yet or ever, maybe. And maybe there's a part where we're just not gonna know. And it's not an issue worth blackpilling about. You look at Massie. Rich Barris said that the young people just aren't showing up. His models were wrong because he assumed some were gonna show up. Cause it's Massey young people like Massey. But they didn't. And so what I'm saying, my message to the Massie young supporters is like, do not black pill over one race. I mean, Massie's not going anywhere. He's gonna be a podcaster. Maybe he runs for president. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Do not give up on America because you're upset about Epstein.

[Blake]

And I think there's a real thing to be said for a defeatist mindset in the country that people. We talk about victimhood, culture. And that manifests personally, but it manifests politically as well, to say, ooh, President Trump betrayed us on everything. Well, no, President Trump has delivered on the border in a big way. He delivered on no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security. He's delivered on DEI weaponization of government. He's done a ton of things that he promised to do. And I should add, frankly, he actually didn't really campaign on the Epstein that

[Andrew]

a lot of his supporters did. He was asked about it once in an interview, and he said, I'd be inclined to make it public. And then when he felt like the jig was up and it was being used as a political hot potato against him, he started getting, you know, more animated against it. Just really quick breaking news. Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi Gabbard has resigned from her role as Director of National Intelligence. Her husband, Abraham, has been diagnosed with extremely rare form of bone cancer. And so this appears to be why she's leaving now, there's been a lot of speculation about whether she was going to make it through the midterms. I've been hearing privately. I don't know if that was why the rumors began in the first place, but certainly I've met her husband. He's really a tremendous guy and just very lovable, very solid, not seeking the limelight. So God bless him. We pray for him. We pray for Tulsi Gabbard as she pays the attention that her family needs right now, it seems. And so kind of a sad reason for that to be happening, certainly.

[Daisy Phelps]

And it says, effective June 30th.

[Andrew]

You just. You never know how many days you got, and you got to take care of your health. And when something like this happens with your family, I totally support this. It's such a difficult role. By the way, dni, you're basically, you know, babysitting all the intel agencies that don't want to be babysat, don't want

[Blake]

to be babysat, don't want to be policed, don't want to listen when you tell them to do things. Whoever replaces her, we want someone who will boss them around and bully them, because the agencies are in need of that. They are very out of control. And let's be real, they think they should be above democratic policing. Above control, Yeah.

[Andrew]

I couldn't agree with you more. And, I mean, it's one of those things where I just. I really. I know Abraham, and so it's hard to hear this story and not make it personal. He's legitimately a great guy. I want to get a picture of him up there. That's why I'm looking down at my computer here. He's a surfer. He's a filmmaker. I mean, he is the most quintessentially Hawaiian dude that you can imagine. And so he's just great. So we really do pray for him, and I think he's the strength oftentimes that Tulsi's needed in one of the most difficult jobs in Washington. So, yeah, God bless them, and we pray they're okay.

[Daisy Phelps]

Confirmed. Her last day is expected to be June 30, so she has about a month left.

[Andrew]

Okay, so a month left with Tulsi, which should be enough time to hopefully get somebody else up and running. But again, that's. It's the most incredibly difficult job. Do we still have David on? Yeah, I'm still here. All right, David, did we answer your question when we're talking about Thomas Massie? Definitely. Definitely. Good. Good points there, Mikey. You got a point. To make. No.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

I just. I was sharing in the break about how Bill Montgomery, one of Charlie's mentors. There's this story Charlie would always tell about how Bill walked into his office one day and he was talking about, like, mutinies, employees and people in politics. And he goes, charlie, very important lesson. Insubordination must never be tolerated. And then Charlie goes, Then he says, now let's drink Starbucks. And that's like the story. But when you have 200 and it used to be 18, it's 217 now. Members of Congress, Republicans, and there's one president that leads the party. We can't afford to have even One of those 217 have their own agenda. And so even though I agree on, like, 95% of the politics that Thomas Massie has. Get in line. Like, the president has an agenda.

[Andrew]

He was.

[Mikey McCoy]

He was elected by the people to. To enact that agenda. And so get in line. And if you don't, then everybody knows who this president is. He is going to come after you.

[Andrew]

He will.

[Mikey McCoy]

Are we shocked that the president's gonna primary you? Like, everybody's moaning and upset that he's not spending as much time fighting. Okay.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's Donald Trump. Like, are we surprised?

[Daisy Phelps]

You know, to circle back on to finish. Andrew's point of the not black pilling. I. While we were sitting here, I looked up black pill in or literally, Charlie, no black pilling. Stop black pilling.

[Blake]

We don't black pilling.

[Daisy Phelps]

He would walk through the office. No more black pilling today.

[Andrew]

No black pill. Look at it.

[Blake]

So I really want to get in mind, everyone. That's amazing. I really want to get to this next question, though, because I think it's a very rich one. I think we have Mick next. Unmute yourself.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Blake]

Howdy, Mick.

[Mick]

Really quick. I'd like to pay my respects to Kyle Busch, one of the greatest NASCAR drivers to ever do it. Greatest of this millennium.

[Blake]

Absolutely.

[Mick]

Over 200 wins. A real culture icon.

[Blake]

I was.

[Mick]

And on the culture. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Blake]

Oh, I was just going to say I didn't. I'm not a big NASCAR watcher, but even I knew who Kyle Busch was and what I loved about him because I knew this fact was he was the NASCAR driver. He could win the national championship, but he raced in the two lower levels. Even the truck racing, which is like level three, because he just loved racing so much. The guy wanted to go race, win as many as he could. A lot of people have noticed his last race win. He's talking almost in tears. Like you never know when your last one will be.

[Andrew]

Let's play this.

[Blake]

And I really admire that.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Stop.

[Daisy Phelps]

5 Kyle Busch, your 69th victory in

[Jason Rantz]

this series, your fifth right here.

[Daisy Phelps]

Why do these moments never get old, Kyle?

[Blake]

Because you never know when the last one is, you know, so.

[Andrew]

Mm, really touching. And it looks like from what reports have suggested is that he was suffering potentially from a form of pneumonia and he just kind of battled through it and he didn't, he didn't go into the hospital soon enough.

[Blake]

Yeah, he was found non responsive. Like you just, you think it's a bad cold and suddenly you. I've seen people describe it suddenly like you're breathing through a coffee straw.

[Daisy Phelps]

Yeah, that was so sad.

[Andrew]

So sad. That is sad.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Please with your question, Mick. Sorry.

[Mick]

Yeah, I mean, you know, with Kyle Bush, he was just a cultural icon to many Americans and with the culture, I think conservatives until very, very recently struggled to get into that main national spotlight. And I think the first bit we saw that happening was with Matt Walsh's documentaries back in 2022 and 23. And so I just asked like, why do you think for that period of time and even still a lot of conservatives today, why do you think we struggle with that getting into that main spotlight when it's not necessarily being political?

[Daisy Phelps]

I mean, I think to be honest, we all know a big player in that was Charlie, like making conservatism cool again. I remember we would always joke with him. The kids started to tell him he had riz and he didn't know what that meant. And they all thought he was with his cough drops, that it was like nicotine pouches and they all thought he was cool because he was so close knee to them and could speak their language.

[Andrew]

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[Daisy Phelps]

we still have Mick we're talking about.

[Blake]

Mick is wondering.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Daisy Phelps]

Yeah, Mick. To let you know our. We were talking about it in the break and we were discussing how I think you're right, conservatives used to struggle to be in the realm of pop culture. And I think also a lot of it was just like coming from an era of like looking down on it's all bad. It's all because it was very dark for a long time. And there were a lot of things to point out that are wrong. But I think one, when good things happen in pop culture, we all need to take a look and like praise those things and say, hey, this is a great thing. Same when Taylor Swift got engaged, Charlie said, this is a great thing. We need to celebrate this. We don't need to be naysayers about everything. But then we were talking about how relevant podcasters have become now, like SNL doing. They have on their Weekend Update they have a Tucker Carlson impersonator now. And it's just everything has become mainstream to just be a podcaster. Like it's a shtick now. So I think it has become.

[Andrew]

Netflix has a whole podcast section on it. Yeah.

[Daisy Phelps]

Yes. With, with Jake Shane and they it's like be just podcasting has become so.

[Andrew]

Got a lot. Yeah.

[Daisy Phelps]

It's become so overly saturated, I think. And people point that out a lot where it's not, I don't know that it's just cool now. It's more just like a normal thing. I don't know how much more invested we can get in. I'm trying to think culture because podcasters are the majority.

[Blake]

But the pop. But that's only one subset because I think a big part of pop culture, a lot of it, we're talking about movies, we're talking about television, we're talking about books, music that music that a lot of that is, let's be frank, it still very much comes off as a left wing monoculture and that includes stuff that, let's be frank, objectively, is pretty good. Like when if you look at the absolute best movies of the year that even conservatives like to watch, often they're by pretty liberal individuals. And conservatives have wanted to break into that many times? I don't know. I think I've been around the block three or four times on, oh, conservatives. We're going to make movies that aren't overtly conservative. They're just. But they're made by conservatives, and they're just as good as the stuff left wingers make. And it's been mixed results a lot of the time, and I do wonder why we've struggled to do that. And because we have talented people, we have smart people, and there's been more than one case even where a talented conservative writer or film producer or something has moved in that direction, and then suddenly the stuff they make goes down in quality, and it's very frustrating.

[Andrew]

Here's my issue, and I spent a lot of time in Hollywood. I would say that when you try and force feed ideology into film or tv, it gets worse. This happens with the libs, too. This is why they can't make movies nearly as well as they did in the 80s and 90s. Right. Because they're trying to jam their ideology into what should just be good stories. Right. And so I would just caution anybody who's doing now, if you're doing what Hillsdale's doing, you're doing a documentary about the revolution. That's great. That's the perfect context and platform to do that from. But just tell good stories. I keep mentioning this. I'm watching a show called Widow's Bay right now. It's not liberal or. I know, it's a weird name. It's a horror comedy.

[Blake]

Horror comedy.

[Andrew]

Yeah. It's just. It's. Listen, it's. It's actually pretty scary. I wouldn't recommend it for under a certain age, but, like, it's just good. It's just good. And I think that's great. You know what I mean? I mean, but you just make good content, tell good stories. If you are a conservative or a traditional American or you're Christian, your stuff is going to weave in to the way they talk, the way they make decisions, the way your character arcs play out. So I just say stop putting the pressure on you to make overtly conservative stuff. Make good stories. And really, at the end of the day, our culture is going to reflect the values of its people. So we need to be doing a better job evangelizing people, pushing revival, telling people to repent for the kingdom of God is near. Going to church, having a family, raising good kids, those things. The more we do that as a culture, through the podcasting realm, through the pulpit, through news, through whatever platform we have I think culture is going to get healthier, therefore our art will also start reflecting a healthier culture.

[Daisy Phelps]

I think to round out your question, the answer why we struggle is because I think conservatives have stayed the same for a long time and the values of culture have gone the opposite direction.

[Blake]

We should put some blame on liberals too, which is, I think there is a lot of avenues to get in at the entry level of a lot of cultural output. And the left took over those made them very.

[Andrew]

And they, they get.

[Blake]

Kept them. That was the whole, it was like compact article that we covered about white men just kind of getting purged out of everything. And you do need to get in at the entry level to really build up skills in a lot of cultural production. And so, for example, we don't get good conservative novels a lot of the time anymore because we don't get like any good novels from white dudes anymore.

[Daisy Phelps]

But then a question I think a lot of people have is, okay, do we just. If liberals have taken over, do we back away and make our own stuff or do we still try?

[Andrew]

And in general, I'm a infiltrate the institutions guy, I'm not a retreat guy.

[Daisy Phelps]

And I think there are conservatives completely on both sides of that argument, which is good because we do need people that are making wholesome alternative content, alternative products for when there are things like that.

[Blake]

Yes, we'd have to open a, you know, a book publishing and TV production house in Bulgaria or something where we can evade all DEI controls.

[Andrew]

I think Hollywood is specifically really, I mean, Daily Wire is an example that run into, you know, problems trying to create conservative inspired content. It's a big task.

[Blake]

It's tough.

[Andrew]

It takes a lot of money, a lot of distribution. So when it comes to Hollywood in the arts, I think we have to infiltrate the existing institutions. In my opinion, Ian is next. Ian, please unmute yourself. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Ian]

Hey, good morning guys. How are you?

[Andrew]

Good morning. What's your question?

[Ian]

Hey, I was, I've been had the opportunity this. Later this year to go to Africa to preach. And I was, you know, I, I don't have no fear and doubt, but my faith in God is, is greater than that. So I was curious about times in your life that God's called you to do something and how did you show courage? And also anecdotally, I'm sure you guys have stories about Charlie many times with that, so any of that would be appreciated.

[Andrew]

Mikey, you want to start? Daisy, you want to start? I've got.

[Daisy Phelps]

Let's hear from Mikey.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, out of curiosity, where in Africa were you?

[Ian]

Uganda.

[Andrew]

Oh, nice.

[Blake]

I have some family who I think do preach. Do preaching, missionary type stuff in Uganda, actually.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

A lot of Christians in Uganda and Kenya area. It's been evangelized. I mean, you still get. It's still dangerous, don't get me wrong.

[Blake]

But it's right on that line between actually Islam and Christianity and traditional beliefs. And so it's. It's a place to be if you're going to preach there.

[Andrew]

Yeah. It's where Zoram Hamdani's from.

[Mikey McCoy]

I've been to Uganda. This is my first missions trip, too. Great place. Yeah. I think for me is if the Lord is genuinely calling you to something and you take that leap, like, there is no looking back. Like, once you make the decision, you're all in. And you kind of, like, have to constantly, like, read your Bible, continue to pray, rely on the Lord. Because the moment you stop doing that is the moment you start to detach yourself from your faith. And the moment you detach yourself from faith, you stop having faith in the mission that God put you on.

[Andrew]

Rely on your own flesh.

[Mikey McCoy]

You rely on your own flesh. You start questioning why you're somewhere. You start questioning, was this even the right decision? So once you make the decision, being steadfast, honoring the Lord, continuing to just talk with him, pray, rely on the Holy Spirit. I mean, I talk about this all the time. We say that the Lord, you know, is the pinnacle of our lives and that we rely on the Holy Spirit and all these things. But how often do you guys walk into meetings? How often do you guys walk into challenging situations? Just say, like, holy Spirit, speak to me like, lord, please come and, like, offer your guidance and your wisdom, like James 1:5. For those of you who lacks wisdom, ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach. Like, just ask, like, how many times do we actually do that? And how hard is it to literally walk into a meeting meeting and be like, holy Spirit, come invade this place and let this be your meeting?

[Andrew]

Well, that asked me of my instance. Sorry.

[Blake]

But I was thinking he asked about Charlie, and I'd say, what stood out with me about Charlie's about by the. Certainly by the time I met him, which was late 2022, I feel, at least as I saw it, he was. He was actually at this, like, perfect state of almost maybe elevated serenity. I think Charlie was very good about. Even in, like, difficult times. He was. He was a big believer. You create your own mental state, and it's all On God.

[Mikey McCoy]

And he.

[Blake]

You didn't see him as much where he's like, oh, I'm struggling and you know, let's do you know, a prayer to have God, you know, to remember what's centering us. It was more like Charlie. It's like it shone from him. It glowed all of the time, the faith.

[Mikey McCoy]

I definitely saw him struggle at times.

[Blake]

Maybe you saw it more than I did. You were with him every day.

[Daisy Phelps]

To Mikey's point though, like, Charlie did have that constant connection with God, like constantly reflecting back on his disciplines, on his scriptures, on his word, to know that, like, no matter what was happening in his life, he did have that constant stream of connection to the Lord and that's what grounded him. And I also. You asked about courage too. I think back all the time to Charlie's podcast on the Iced Coffee Hour. When they didn't ask him, when they asked what he wanted to be known for, he didn't just say his faith. He said courage for his faith. Like the willingness to tell other people about it and put it all on the line and say, this is the thing that I will bet my entire life on. And it's more than just, oh, I want to be known for having a strong faith. It's for being willing to do anything for that faith.

[Blake]

And I would pervade it.

[Andrew]

Everything he did, I would just say, like Mikey. I remember a lot of instances where Charlie was struggling or was afraid even, especially in the early years, and he kept overcoming them and fighting through. And each time he would fight through a challenge, backs against the wall, all of a sudden it was like he got stronger the next time he could tackle more. And so remember, it's a process. It's not a straight line. You build up muscles for this stuff. This Mother's Day month, you can help make motherhood possible. If you've ever joined us providing ultrasounds and saving babies with preborn. Thank you. There are babies alive today and mothers celebrating this year because of the gift of an ultrasound that helped her know the truth of the baby that was growing inside of her. Today, you can help another young woman choose Life for just 28 bucks. And that is just the beginning. The start of a two year long mentorship that includes services like free maternity clothes, baby clothes, diapers, strollers, cribs, formula, and so much more. And it all begins with that ultrasound you provide today. Because preborn separately fundraises for administrative and overhead costs, 100% of your gift goes directly to providing ultrasounds. So call or click right now and Join us in saving babies and moms so that next year there's even more to celebrate. Call 833-850-Baby. That's 833-850-2229, or click on the preborn [e-mail] all right, I just want to say one final thing about the final question, and we have a few more we got to get to before the hour's up. You asked what our moments were, and really, like, I think we would all look around the room if I pose this question, but, like, when Charlie was killed, that was a moment where we all had to have courage that. And dig deep because it was awful, and we didn't know what was going to come next. And I've told the story. I think I told it on Alex Clark's podcast. But, like, I. I literally had to, like, fall on the floor and repent because I just drafted behind Charlie. Charlie took all the slings and arrows. He did all the hard work, and we got to kind of, like, draft behind him and, you know, didn't have to host a show every day, didn't have to speak to students, didn't have to go speak at events. Like, Charlie did all that stuff. I just got to hang out with my family. It was awesome. And that's, you know, and so I had to sort of repent and say, God, you know, whatever you have for me in this season, I guess I just have to say yes. And I love the way Mikey said it that you just have to kind of decide to go all in and just say yes. And so that was, you know, ultimately we watched Charlie go through that time and time again, and he got. Like I said, he got stronger as he did it, and it was really powerful to watch. Next question. We have. What do we have?

[Daisy Phelps]

Anthony.

[Andrew]

Anthony, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Anthony]

Thank you. So first thing is Danny said Andrew would have to wear a hat or a certain shirt today from a bet made one to two weeks ago. And Danny's supposed to be wearing the same thing, too, because something from a bet he made with me the following. The week after Andrew lost.

[Andrew]

Wait, I did? What did I lose? Sounds like.

[Blake]

Oh, is the Dodgers keep losing?

[Andrew]

No, they're in first place.

[Anthony]

No, you lost to my Braves.

[Andrew]

Oh, did I? I don't.

[Anthony]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Bet anything on that. Anthony, we're gonna have to go back and review the tape, and if I'm wrong, I will do it next week. I will do it next week.

[Anthony]

Well, Danny's got to join you because he said his Cubs are Gonna be my Braves the couple days after. And that didn't happen either.

[Andrew]

Wait, what are the Braves at right now?

[Blake]

I don't make 30 about the Twins.

[Jason Rantz]

35.

[Anthony]

No. 36 and 14.

[Andrew]

You guys are crushing or no.

[Anthony]

36 and no. 35 and 16.

[Blake]

I don't make bets about the Twins winning games.

[Daisy Phelps]

I feel like you're speaking in different.

[Andrew]

35 and 16. You guys have a winning percentage of.686. But hey, the Dodgers are 31 19. The.620 winning percentage. And we just took two out of three against the Padres, who are.

[Blake]

Can't hit anymore, though.

[Andrew]

It's weird. What?

[Blake]

Shohei's not good at hitting anymore.

[Andrew]

He hit a home run and didn't give up any. He has a.

[Blake]

He's pitching.

[Andrew]

He's pitching great. Yeah, he might get like Cy Young this year. So anyways. All right, Anthony, what's your question?

[Anthony]

So my question is this. So we're seeing a lot of talk online regarding ticks, just higher increase in the United States, actually in North America. And we're hearing about the Lone Star red tick, the deer ticks, and how like 450,000Americans have gotten bitten by Lone Star red ticks, which were genetically engineered from what people are saying by a former computer guy from Microsoft, and that they will infect you where you can't eat red meat and possibly dairy for the rest of your life. So the question is, why is nobody talking about this or looking into this? Because isn't that kind of. Shouldn't we not be genetically creating ticks to do that?

[Andrew]

Blake?

[Blake]

So this is interesting. You're right. It is getting more attention. And it's getting more attention because we haven't talked about it on the show. There's a paper that was published by two guys at Western Michigan University School of Medicine. Two guys, Parker Crutchfield and Blake Harrith. And they wrote this. It was published in October of last year, and it was titled Beneficial Blood Sucking. And it was some medical ethics paper that basically said, suggested the idea that intentionally spreading that disease. It's called Alpha GAL syndrome, and it is an allergy you can acquire from a bite of that Lone Star tick, where it basically gives you an allergic reaction to red meat and I think dairy products as well. Basically, it's a lot of animal products you suddenly have an allergy to. And they suggest, well, if animal suffering is bad, then. And we can reduce animal suffering by making everyone allergic to eating animals. We have the exact line was, if this practice can be applied to ticks carrying AGs promoting the proliferation of tick borne alpha gal syndrome is morally obligatory. Now this does not prove anyone is intentionally spreading it. But if there are lib college professors writing papers about how it is morally obligatory to spread meat allergies, then what are you going to get out there? There could be someone who does that. We do have genetic research that is done on ticks, and the threshold to do genetic research on things is going down all of the time. This has been brought up with AI. It's brought up with a lot of other technologies. We should be worried about this. And also it's a good reminder. We should be. We should be investing in the breakdown of all of our, our checks on spreading pathogens. A lot of diseases are spreading that.

[Andrew]

Have we learned nothing from COVID Yeah,

[Blake]

we've had diseases that are spreading up. Like, I think foot and mouth diseases made a comeback among animals.

[Andrew]

Oh, I know is. I got norovirus.

[Blake]

Anyway, we should genetic. We should do a crowd. We should have a big government push to fund the extermination of this tick. We should make this tick.

[Andrew]

Anthony, I got to get to our last question. I'm so sorry, my friend. No, you're fine. Okay, so thank you for the question. We got to get to Rob. Rob. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Rob]

Hey guys, real quick, I appreciate you letting me on. So I think Spencer Pratt's a really great example of kind of how pop culture and politics are really starting to blur the lines. I know, like president. President Trump did things. Heck, even my senator Rick Scott's putting out AI videos right now, which is kind of crazy. But anyways, my question is, so like, where's that balance between needing to stick out with like this type of political messaging which is obviously breaking through, versus like actually talking about legitimate issues and policy change? Like, I couldn't tell you what Spencer Pratt's background is outside. He's a reality star and already graduated from. I don't know, he's a chat policies. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know what he stands for or what he can do or what his background is.

[Andrew]

So he stands for competent local governance. That's what he stands for. Being like common sense. Bringing back common sense to crime, filth, homelessness, city services, budget. That's essentially what his campaign is all about. And I would just say, where's the line? It's. It's what, Whatever works, whatever the population is responding to, you got to like lean into. And I said publicly that I thought he was the best campaigner of his generation, and I stand by that. And then Erica actually tweeted about this yesterday, so I wanna read the tweet. She says, regardless of the outcome of Spencer Pratt's race, what he's doing is authentically American. See a problem, become a part of the solution. His campaign ads are unconventional, but that's the point. It's refreshing. Instead of speaking like a career politician, he's speaking as an American who sees and deeply understands how fragile the simple things in life are when leadership fails. This is what this country is all about. Citizens willing to step into the political arena unafraid and challenging a failing system, much like one that has destroyed Los Angeles. I hope moments like this inspire more Americans to throw their names into the mix, run for office, get involved, and stand up for what makes this country exceptional. Blake, final word to you. What is a chud and how is Spencer Pratt a chud?

[Blake]

Well, a CHUD is basically a person the left doesn't like because they are too cool and they are not with it on all of their issues.

[Andrew]

And you just do things.

[Blake]

You just do things. You just do things and you tell the left no, and you say, I'm not gonna get bossed around by.

[Andrew]

That's a. That's offensive. You're not allowed to do that. If you.

[Blake]

If you roll your eyes at that and say, ah, that's cool, I'm gonna do it anyway. You're a chud.

[Daisy Phelps]

Wait, really quickly. We have a couple seconds left. I want to hear from the other resident Californian. What do you think?

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, I think we should all go to California and vote illegally because they're not going to check our id.

[Andrew]

Yay. Disavow. Disavow. Mostly. Thank you for that question, Rob.

[Rich Barris]

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[Blake]

Com.