There Is No Moral Equivalency Between Left and Right

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode Title: There Is No Moral Equivalency Between Left and Right
Date: October 21, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (posthumous), with Andrew Colvett, Mikey McCoy
Guests: Mike Cernovich, Governor Glenn Youngkin

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode tackles the claim: "There Is No Moral Equivalency Between Left and Right." With Charlie Kirk recently assassinated, his Turning Point USA colleagues—including executive producer Andrew Colvett, chief of staff Mikey McCoy, and prominent conservative commentator Mike Cernovich—discuss forms of political violence, media bias, the double standards in protest culture, and the profound sense of trauma carried by those on the political right. Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin joins to reflect on Charlie’s legacy, the rise of hostile rhetoric and action from the left, and the crucial importance of faith and youth engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Unequal Realities of Political Activism

[01:26 – 07:34] Featuring Mike Cernovich, Andrew Colvett

• Contrast in Protest Treatment:

  • Mike Cernovich points out how left-wing protests take place without fear for personal safety or legal reprisal, while conservatives must constantly consider threats, venue security, and the possibility of violence or cancellation.
  • Quote:

    “We take it for granted that we live a completely different life... I want to have an event... Is the venue going to cancel? Are people going to call in threats?... That’s not normal.”
    —Mike Cernovich [01:57]

• Example of Left-wing Freedom vs. Right-wing Caution:

  • Cernovich recalls a left-aligned candidate holding a carefree scavenger hunt and notes “it would not be possible” for a conservative to do the same without disruption or aggression [02:31].

• Baked-in Trauma for Conservatives:

  • Both Colvett and McCoy reveal the everyday hypervigilance they’ve adopted, such as checking rooftops for snipers when attending events or speaking publicly after Charlie’s assassination [03:47, 11:59].
  • Quote:

    “When I step outside, I automatically check rooftops to see if there’s a sniper because... when you go to an event you ask them how good the security is... there is no moral equivalence between the left and the right when it comes to things like this.”
    —Mikey McCoy [11:59]

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2. State Protection and Political Double Standards

[07:34 – 10:29] Mike Cernovich

• Selective Law Enforcement:

  • Cernovich argues that left-wing agitators can act with impunity, shielded by law enforcement indifference, while right-wingers are prosecuted vigorously for any response—citing the Proud Boys vs. Antifa street clash as a pertinent example [07:34].
  • Quote:

    “Antifa doesn’t exist without state power... The Proud Boys win and then state power comes down like a ton of bricks on the Proud Boys. And these young men go to prison in some cases for five to seven years... Antifa got charged or sent to prison again.”
    —Mike Cernovich [09:23]

• “Anarcho-Tyranny” Concept:

  • Only leftist violence is tolerated, says Cernovich, illustrating the asymmetric application of law (“anarcho-tyranny, neo-Bolshevikism”) [08:22].

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3. Disavowal Rituals & Moral Equivalence Debunked

[11:59 – 20:30] McCoy, Cernovich, Colvett

• Media Rituals and Conservative Guilt:

  • Discussion centers on the left and media demanding that conservatives “disavow” questionable private chats, while ignoring direct calls for or celebrations of violence on the left.

  • Quote:

    “You guys are breeding political assassins. And on the right we have leaked group chats. You have somebody running to be the top cop in one of the biggest states… saying that he wants to see five and seven year olds die because they’re bred little fascists. There is no moral equivalent here.”
    —Mikey McCoy [12:36]

  • Cernovich: The Christian response isn't public shaming but private outreach. The "disavowal game" is a media trick and a “fake outrage” that only serves leftist goals [18:31].

  • Quote:

    “This isn’t church. … If everybody doesn’t abide by the same rules and one side says, ‘oh, we’re taking the high ground’, then you’re going to lose and you’re going to lose your country.”
    —Mike Cernovich [18:31]

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4. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and Youth Engagement

[22:12 – 29:39] Governor Glenn Youngkin, Mikey McCoy

• Charlie’s Legacy Lives On:

  • Governor Youngkin, Colvett, and McCoy emphasize the huge continued impact of Charlie Kirk, as evidenced by massive youth attendance, campus activism, and a spiritual revival among young conservatives nationwide.
    • Quote:

      “The question, who’s going to be the next Charlie Kirk? … All of you... that’s his legacy.”
      —Governor Glenn Youngkin [23:34]

• Faith and Resilience:

  • Governor Youngkin shares his faith journey, how faith shapes his leadership, and the importance of faith in continuing the movement. Praying for the community and the country is a central theme.
    • Quote:

      “It is because of the invitation to have a relationship with Jesus... And thank you, Lord, for putting my wife Suzanne in the way of my life... she introduced me to Jesus.”
      —Governor Glenn Youngkin [25:30]

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5. Political Violence and Rhetoric Escalation

[29:39 – 39:32] Glenn Youngkin, McCoy, Colvett

• Virginia’s Attorney General Controversy:

  • The panel condemns candidate Jay Jones’s violent rhetoric, reading explicit text messages where Jones allegedly calls for execution and even the deaths of children. They express shock at Democrats’ refusal to denounce or demand the withdrawal of such a candidate.
  • Quote:

    “There could be no moment where we say anything other than it’s abhorrent... The fact that she can’t say that... is beyond a moment of lack of moral clarity.”
    —Governor Glenn Youngkin [31:35]

• Escalation on the Left:

  • Youngkin contends that as the Democrat Party has moved further left, rhetoric and threats have intensified, citing death threats to Republican candidates and a lack of condemnation from Democrat leaders [34:34, 38:09].

• Contrast With Right’s Nonviolent Response:

  • After Charlie’s assassination, their side responded peacefully, with prayer and worship, unlike the riots seen after other high-profile tragedies.
  • Quote:

    “When Charlie was assassinated, we peacefully gathered, worshiped for three hours... I am increasingly worried about the direction that the left is headed in.”
    —Mikey McCoy [32:58]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [01:57] Mike Cernovich:

  “We take it for granted that we live a completely different life... Is the venue going to cancel? Are people going to call in threats?... That’s not normal.”

• [11:59] Mikey McCoy:

  “When I step outside, I automatically check rooftops... there is no moral equivalence between the left and the right when it comes to things like this.”

• [09:23] Mike Cernovich:

  “Antifa doesn’t exist without state power... and then state power comes down like a ton of bricks on the Proud Boys.”

• [12:36] Mikey McCoy:

  “You guys are breeding political assassins... There is no moral equivalent here.”

• [18:31] Mike Cernovich:

  “This isn’t church. … If everybody doesn’t abide by the same rules... you’re going to lose your country.”

• [23:34] Governor Glenn Youngkin:

  “The question, who’s going to be the next Charlie Kirk? ...All of you. And those students, they showed up with enthusiasm. They showed up with faith, they showed up with courage.”

• [25:30] Governor Glenn Youngkin:

  “It is because of the invitation to have a relationship with Jesus... she introduced me to Jesus. And that, of course, changed me forever.”

• [31:35] Governor Glenn Youngkin:

  “There could be no moment where we say anything other than it’s abhorrent... The fact that she can’t say that... is a lack of moral clarity... defining for her own morality.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:26] – Start of panel with Mike Cernovich; discussion of protest double standards
• [07:34] – State protection, selective prosecution, and Proud Boys/Antifa case
• [11:59] – Trauma, leftist violence celebration, “no moral equivalency” debate
• [18:31] – Cernovich on the “disavowal ritual” and Christian principle
• [22:12] – Governor Glenn Youngkin joins; discussion of Charlie’s legacy and faith
• [29:39] – Condemning violent rhetoric in Virginia’s AG campaign
• [31:35] – Youngkin: “No moment we can say anything other than it’s abhorrent”
• [34:34] – Youngkin on increased leftist aggression and law enforcement preparation
• [38:09] – Refusal of Democrats to condemn extreme rhetoric/candidates

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Tone & Language

The entire conversation is raw, urgent, and at times deeply personal and spiritual. The panel expresses grief, frustration, defensiveness, and resolve—moving between somber reflection, impassioned critique of perceived injustice, and affirmations of faith and community.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a forceful rebuke of arguments for moral equivalence between the political right and left in contemporary America. Through personal testimony, high-profile examples, and pointed critique, the guests argue that conservatives face disproportionate institutional hostility and violence while the left is shielded by media and the state. The tragic loss of Charlie Kirk is reframed as a catalyst for both spiritual awakening and lasting conservative activism. The panel’s repeated assertion: American political life and the future of the country depend on recognizing these double standards and acting with clarity, courage, and faith.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Executive producer Andrew Colvett, here with Mikey McCoy. Chief of staff Mikey McCoy. We're really excited about this next interview with a dear friend of ours, dear friend of the show, and just a great patriot, that would be Mike Cernovich. Mike, welcome to the show, my friend.

[Mike Cernovich]

Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. You put out a tweet this weekend in regards to the no Kings protest that I thought 10 out of 10, one of the top thoughts that I saw floating around. So go ahead and put up 79. You said they get to hold their protests without a care in the world. No snipers on buildings shooting at them, no masked thugs attacking them, every media outlet fawning over them. Irony levels fit for a king. Mike, tell us what you were thinking there.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, well, what prompted that thinking was the we take it for granted if you're a conservative or right wing. We take it for granted that we live a completely different life. Not to use too much language of therapy, but the trauma is so baked in that we don't realize that it's not normal. Well, wait a minute. I want to have an event immediately, I think. Is the venue going to cancel? Are people going to call in threats? I need to talk to the venue owner first and brief him or her on this. Okay. We need armed security. Okay. Where are people going to come in?

[Andrew Colvett]

Where?

[Mike Cernovich]

And that's not normal, right? That's not normal. That's not how you're supposed to have to live in a so called free and democratic society. And the people who make it so that we have to live like this. Meanwhile, they get to walk around. I remember there was a scavenger hunt. That Manderi, the guy running for New York City mayor, he had a scavenger hunting. Cassandra Fairbanks posted, tweeted out. Wow, this is really cool. I wish the right did stuff like this. And that's when I was shaken. Shaken out of the trauma that we all have to live under. And I go, we couldn't. Could you imagine if you wanted to hold a Charlie Kirk scavenger hunt in Phoenix, Arizona, even Phoenix? No, it would, it would not be possible. There would be disruption, violence, attacks that couldn't happen. Meanwhile, a mayoral candidate who's. Who's taking an endorsement from an unidentied co conspirator in a World Trade center attack. They can go about their day and have all the joy in the world or all the fun in the world. The no Kings protesters can do whatever they want, but. But they wanna act like they're the good guys and that somehow they're protesting against authoritarianism and fascism.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. I think it was such a striking tweet because I think it made me realize you bring up trauma. I mean, that's something very real to this show, I can tell you. Mikey was there when Charlie lost his life, when he was murdered. And we all do live with a trauma. Thankfully, I was not there. I'm super grateful for that, to be honest. And we do live with this trauma all the time. We just, we. And we don't even question it anymore. And you're so right. If I want. I've been getting, you know, invited to speak at different events, so is Mikey. It's new, new experience for us. But instantly my head goes, how good's the security? How good's the security? And the fact that I have to think that is a. Is an absolute travesty. And you hit the nail right on the head, Mike.

[Mike Cernovich]

And it's been this way from day one. There were images of the San Jose Trump rally or where people are lined up and being chased down by mobs of savages. There was a Trump rally that's supposed to occur in Chicago, but rioting and violence and gang attacks made it so that Trump had to cancel a rally. That was one of the few rallies that had to be canceled. Everyone. And again, we just sort of. We take it for granted because, you know, blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. But I, I think it's. That that's all been taken a little bit too far where we shouldn't. We shouldn't have to live like this. Right? And we have, because, again, when you. When you live in a situation, we're essentially dealing with mass abuse by the left. Lawfare. Oh, which one of your friends, you know, Tyler, does never like to mention it. You know, I've posted about it many times. He was indicted in one of those elector cases. People don't even know because our people don't want to call attention to it, right? To the injustice that they face. We have to do Lawfare. Okay. Gee, you know, I wonder. I wonder if Ricky Vaughn's going to go to jail. Okay. Are they going to somehow to drag me into something? Okay, Everybody, Posovic, you. Everybody's had these same conversations of Biden wins. Okay, well, have you. Have you had to talk to your kids yet about what happens when the bad guys come in from the Biden regime or the Kamala Harris regime and they just take your dad away? That's something that everybody has had to have that conversation. Right?

[Andrew Colvett]

And.

[Mike Cernovich]

And then when you.

[Charlie Kirk]

You.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

You.

[Mike Cernovich]

Somebody, like, shakes you, which is why I was trying to do with that tweet, which is why I think it resonated with so many people, is when someone like, shakes you, like, man, this isn't. This isn't normal, right? That this hypervigilance isn't normal. This is the product of dealing with the Marxists, the Bolsheviks, the terrorists, and we've taken it for granted, and we shouldn't take it for granted now. What we have to do constructively to fight it is a different conversation altogether, though. But the first thing that must happen is the realization that, no, this is actually not normal. We shouldn't have to live this way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, and Mikey's got some thoughts on the Young Republicans tweets that are going around everywhere or the group chat, the leaked group chat. But I just want to show you this image first here, Mike. I think it's 67. And this was spotted, I believe, in Denver, and it says, yeah, Denver Communists. So they just put up a booth. Denver Communist Charlie Kirk had it coming, changed my mind. And they're sitting there under a tent like Charlie, where he was murdered. And they're sitting there putting up peace signs with their hands. They're not afraid that somebody's gonna hurt them. They're not afraid that there's gonna be a sniper on some building. They get to do that open. Just absolutely vile behavior out in public.

[Mike Cernovich]

And the second level of this, though, I had a companion tweet that didn't go as viral, but I think should have, as they only exist because of state protection. So for, so for example, you've dealt with this at turning Point, people will come in and kick over your table. The campus police say, well, what can you do? This or other law enforcement say, well, that's a civil matter, even though it's not. But they always say, they always go, oh, that's a civil matter. So apparently you're supposed to find them and sue them. But if one of our people went and kicked that over, police would lock hands and state power would be used immediately to bring down the full force of the law to destroy that person. And that's the anarcho tyranny, that's the neo Bolshevik, sorry, the neo Bolshevikism that we live under. And it couldn't exist without state power because frankly, if our people reacted to them the way they react to us, even to 10%, those people wouldn't be out in public. If someone just came over and kicked the table over and said, what do you do about it? What are you gonna do about it? There's not. They could do nothing. They could do nothing about it. That there was that street fight that was so illustrative where there was an event at the New York Republicans Club. And by the way, this matters way more than those dumb group texts since everybody's talking about the New York Young Republicans. Okay, let's talk about a time there was an event. I think Gavin McInnes was there, Ann Coulthard was there. Antifa showed up. They went to violently attack everyone who attended the event. Proud boys showed up and they provided safe escort to the attendees. The attendees leave and then a group of proud boys are walking around. Antifa comes, attacks them. There's a mutual street fight, the Proud Boys versus Antifa. No one gets killed, no one uses brass knuckles, no one uses a baton. Just a good old fashioned rough event. What happens, most people don't know this. And the people who are crying most about those group texts and how we have to disavow people and we need to take a big moral stand to. You can go check and see if they've ever talked about this. And they haven't. They haven't because they're deceptors, they're demons. It's obvious what they're doing. And what happened was the proud boys got arrested, charged, some of them went to prison for five to seven years. Nobody in Antifa got charged or sent to prison again. There was violence brought on by the left street thugs, a right wing reaction, although I wouldn't necessarily call it proud boys a right wing, but we'll just use that for false dichotomy. There was a reaction. The reaction had a mutual fight. Again, we're not talking of them going after civilians. It was proud boys and antifa. The proud boys win and then state power comes down like a ton of bricks on the proud boys. And these young men go to prison in some cases for five to seven years. They had no hope and those rigged New York juries. And I didn't see anybody. Me, a couple other people, you know, Charlie, you know, Charlie talked about before too. But very small minority of people said this is how they exist. Antifa doesn't exist without state power.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's a really important insight too. And I do think that the, you know, our laws, our criminal justice systems are geared to see left coded protest or violence as sort of an extension of the civil rights era. And they're geared to see right wing protest or whatever as violent and illegal. And so the hammer gets dropped down on us unfairly. I think it's a good point. Hey, Andrew Colvett here. Do you want to own a home? The time to act is now. For the first time in years, buyers finally have the upper hand. There's more inventory, more negotiating power and less competition. But this window of opportunity won't stay open for long. As soon as the Fed cuts rates, buyer demand is expected to spike, driving prices up and and giving sellers the advantage once again. With peak home buying season in full swing, now is your moment to secure the right home on your terms. Don't wait for the market to shift. I have done this before and you don't want to do it. Reach out today to get approved for mortgage financing with our dear, dear friends Andrew and Todd. They are godly men and good men. I trust them. Just like Charlie did. Hear him talk about Andrew and Todd in his own words.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Mikey, you got something you want to talk about here?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, I just, I thought you said it. Well, Andrew, we have to live with the trauma of this every single day with what happened. And I thought Mike's tweet was just excellent about how these people for the rest of their lives, when they take to the streets, they don't have to worry about snipers, thugs, antifa. And all the while the left media is fawning over them. When I step outside, I automatically check rooftops to see if there's a sniper because that's something I have to live with for the rest of my life. Or when you go to an event you ask them how good the security is. But then even more than that, you have these people publicly with signs and making motions to their neck with finger guns and you have people going with a change my mind Charlie Kirk had it coming signs. These are public statements that these people are making. Yet you're gonna try to draw some moral false equivalence to some yr out of context private group chat. Personally, I'm sick of it. And to defend Andrew a little bit because he got this question if he's gonna condemn it. If you're gonna have to condemn these young people for private group chat that was leaked for out of context messages, you're going to have to condemn one fifth of the college population for making off color jokes and group chats. I'm sick of it. There is no moral equivalence between the left and the right when it comes to things like this. You guys are breeding political assassins. And on the right we have leaked group chats. You have somebody running to be the top cop in one of the biggest states where a nation's capital happens to be saying that he wants to see five and seven year olds die because they're bred little fascists. There is no moral equivalent here. There is not. And I'm sick of seeing them tie this back to young Republicans out of context group chats. And I thought your tweet was excellent Mike. I thought it hit the nail right on the head.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, thank you. And it's unfortunate that I mean to take, to take things a different matter to a different level. Like I've told people and I think now people more take it seriously. A lot of times people thought I was, you know, abuse and hyperbole or crank. And I said look man, if you're a conservative right wing political commentator you have to train jiu jitsu. You have to lift, you have to have a ccw. And people would look at me like I'm crazy, right? They would say that's, that's crazy. And even some of the people going after the group texts would, would now we know that what they are and how they're deceivers. But they would lie and say, oh, Cernovich is always trying to promote militancy and it was never about militancy. It was always about, this is just the way you. This is the way you have to live. You have to walk around, you have to look around and somebody says your name, friend or foe. I had an event happen. I was walking back from New York and a guy is across the street. He's like Cernovich, and he runs across the street. And in that split second, I have to go in my mind, friend or foe. And he was a friend, and it was friendly and everything. It was great, actually. But that's our world, right? None of these people, the no Kings protest, have to think like that. Somebody says their name and they're wondering, okay, is there about to be an altercation right now? Now, are things about to get a little bit real? If there is an altercation and I succeed in it, am I going to now have to deal with the Soros DA? Am I going to have to deal with an ag like in Virginia who wants to kill my children? What would he do to you if you're involved in an altercation and you're attacked? Is he going to go through everybody's tax records, file false criminal charges? Because if you kill a kid, you'll. You'll file false, false charges, Right? That. That's what I think people are also missing out on, is not just the evil of what he said, but knowing that if. If that's what he said he would do is kill children, then why wouldn't he frame you for criminal charges? This is how we have to live. Meanwhile, you could you get to, you know, you geezers get to go. They're old king. They're no king's protests and walk around like they're doing something. And by the way, they're all covidians. They. They installed a de facto king. Fauci.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right?

[Mike Cernovich]

If you want to have a no Kings protest, then you would have protested. Fauci.

[Andrew Colvett]

Listen, Mike, you're making some amazing points here because, you know, to Mikey's point, it's a terrible reality. But, yeah, when I walk outside in certain situations, I look at the rooftops. Now I look at the rooftops and these people. So I find myself on a stage at this news nation Cuomo town hall, and this little punk from Midas Touch or whatever comes up and says, do you disavow the young Republican group chat? And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know these people. I don't know if they're worth throwing a bone to, given the. But I'm sorry, my instinct is no longer to say, hey, I'M gonna condemn and ruin this young man's life for saying something stupid. I'm not gonna say it wasn't stupid. I mean, it's not something that I text privately. But I'm also, you know, I'm not 20 anymore. And these, you know, I have no idea the context. Were they all just jokes? Was it? Whatever. But here's my point, is that my friend just got killed in cold blood by apparently a left winger that had antifa slogans on the bullet casings. And they are out in the streets proudly, without any shame, without any sense of, hey, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Maybe this makes me a terrible human celebrating the murder of my friend. And so I'm put in a position where I have to condemn something that was said in private that was probably a bad joke. And meanwhile, they're not even willing to condemn their own side that is glorifying the murder of an innocent man. And so, yeah, there is no moral equivalency to. To your point, Mikey. And it's just a shocking, shocking reality that we have to live. I feel like every year there's this new outrage of how can this be normal? How can this be normal? How can they force millions of people to wear masks and get a shot that they don't want to get? Or they can't go eat, they can't eat at a restaurant, they can't work their job, or they can't work in the military. And then the next year, there's something even more insane. They try and kill President Trump, they kill Charlie, and then they glorify it in the streets, and then we're the ones that are bad because we're not willing to condemn some young people in New York that I don't even know, and I don't even know the context of the statements they made.

[Mike Cernovich]

And by the way, we're under no moral obligation to disavow anyone or anything, correct?

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm not gonna play their game, Mike. I wasn't gonna play their little disavow ritual. I wasn't doing it.

[Mike Cernovich]

I've always told people, I go, look, this is politics, right? In politics, you have to abide by the rules that the other side does or you're going to lose your lunch. This isn't church, right? This isn't church. And something, too, that I've also noticed about the disavowal game. And it frustrates me when people who claim to be Christians really ride this high horse on. This is. I know for a fact from reading the Bible, that if you take the Christian approach to the group, the group text, you would be reaching out to the young men and young women and saying, you know, can we talk about how this looks or what? What led you to this? This condemnation is fire and brimstone. No offense to you guys, but it's fire and brimstone Protestantism. And that's why you're seeing a lot, A lot of this reaction is politics isn't for fire and brimstone preaching. Politics is a social construct involving two competing sides. And if everybody doesn't abide by the same rules and one, one side says, oh, we're taking the high ground, then you're going to lose and you're going to lose your country and you're going to lose everything. And then what do you have right? Nothing. And then they go, well, what's principle? The principle, the Christian principle. The Christian principle is if you're concerned about this stuff, you reach out to people. You say, brother, I'm praying for you. I saw this message and I think you're living a glib life. I know that you didn't mean it in a hateful way, but your approach to the world is shallow. And you're not living with the kind of gravitas and sincerity and seriousness that you should as a man. That's what you do. So the whole, again, conversation's a distraction because no matter how you look at it, from whatever perspective you look at, you realize it's fake outrage and it's people doing the bidding of the left. And again, if you want to disavow these people, do it in a month. You don't have to join the left when they're doing it. You don't have to do it on their timeline. And if you are doing it on their timeline, then the question is, what master are you serving?

[Andrew Colvett]

That's right. Well said, Mike Cernovich. You are a important thinker in this time. You have seen it all. You've been through these battles back and forth for years. That's why we wanted to have you on today because you just have a perspective on this stuff, that the context is important and you've seen how it's evolved over the years. So, Mike Cernovich, thank you so much for joining us. And thanks for being a great friend to Charlie all those years.

[Mike Cernovich]

Have a great day.

[Andrew Colvett]

Awesome. You too. Hey, everybody. Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie understood that to lead, he needed to learn. Hillsdale College was ready to teach him while busy running his company Teaching America's youth and raising a beautiful family. Charlie still found time to complete 31 Hillsdale College free online courses. He talked about it the last time he spoke on his podcast with Hillsdale's president, Dr. Larry Arne.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Mike Cernovich]

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[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

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[Andrew Colvett]

That.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Mikey McCoy]

Ladies and gentlemen, I am joined by the Purple State Whisperer. That's the title I like to give him. And also the only person that I think rivals the height of Charlie Kirk, Governor Glenn Youngkin. How are you doing?

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

I'm doing great, Mikey. Thank you for having with me. By the way, thanks for letting me take a tour beforehand.

[Mikey McCoy]

Of course.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

It is so inspiring to see the team so committed to everything that they're doing in order to keep Charlie's legacy going.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. A lot of people don't realize it's just awesome how big our operation is here at Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action. But thank you so much for making the way out, for supporting our organization and being right there with us, but not just supporting us in that way, but also supporting us by speaking at Virginia Tech. We're going to talk about Charlie's legacy, things that we've seen post September 10th. But, Governor, you spoke at one of our campus stops. Let's just play a quick clip of a recap of that. 399.

[Mike Cernovich]

These guys come out here and they.

[Mikey McCoy]

Put their lives on the line for.

[Andrew Colvett]

Us, and that's really awesome.

[Mikey McCoy]

So we are just over five weeks out from Charlie's assassination, and the energy is just growing. That was just a couple of weeks after. And last night we had Oklahoma University, which is just a packed house. That was the biggest political event in Oklahoma history that we had. And it was just Charlie wasn't there, but his energy was. Governor, what was that event like for you? What energy have you been Seeing in Virginia with the reaction to Charlie's assassination.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Well, people ask the question, what's Charlie's legacy going to be? And we see it every time you have one of these spectacular gatherings, and it's the students who are there. That's his legacy. And I shared with them that evening that the question, who's going to be the next Charlie Kirk? Is easy to answer. And the answer I love most is all of you. And those students, they showed up with enthusiasm. They showed up with faith, they showed up with courage. Because it was a very short time after the brutal assassination of Charlie, and yet they were there, and they wanted to be there. There was a line out the door of students who couldn't get in. And to be there and talk about faith and to talk about commitment and to talk about what it means to be an American.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Was overwhelming. And I can't tell you how exciting it is to see you all doing it all over the country, just like Charlie wants to do it.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, you mentioned faith a lot, and it seems like that's an important thing to you. Governor, we have clip398, which is you praying backstage with Megyn Kelly before you guys went out there. I'd love for you to just kind of talk about your faith journey and how important that's been to you, but if we could play this clip, that would be great.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Voices tonight speak your truth, not ours. That our friends that are here tonight, feeling energized by the evening and inspired to go do your will, I ask for your hedge of protection around everyone. And I ask you for the inspiration in the words we choose, that we have the tongue of the wise for Megan and me. Most importantly, Father, we just thank you for your son that through his death and resurrection, we are reconciled with you. And that's what tonight is all about. We pray this in the mighty name of your son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

[Mikey McCoy]

Amen.

[Andrew Colvett]

Here we go.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Let's roll.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wow. Wow. So your faith journey seems really important to you.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

It is because of the invitation to have a relationship with Jesus. I mean, let's be real, Mikey. It all starts right there. And I didn't grow up that way. And thank you, Lord, for putting my wife Suzanne in the way of my life. And she not only changed it forever because who she is, but she introduced me to Jesus. And that, of course, changed me forever.

[Mikey McCoy]

Amazing.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

And what I find every single morning is when I silence myself and focus and bury myself in scripture and then pray, something amazing happens. You're just settled and you're ready you're ready for the day. And I always ask for a hedge of protection around our law enforcement or candidates or people who are doing really hard things. But I find every morning, just in prayer time, the hedge of protection just comes.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Amen. Yeah. A life without God is unorderly. A life with him is an ordered one is what Charlie used to always say. So looking ahead to 2020 and looking back to 2024, the youth delivered the White House, or at least helped deliver the White House for President Trump and will play a huge role in 2028. President Trump won the youth vote in Michigan and many other states, and Charlie was kind of granted the title of youth whisperer by President Trump. With Charlie being gone, do you see a threat in Gen Z being the voting bloc that kind of is going to be the one to deliver a majority in the House, but also the presidency in 2028?

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Yeah, Mikey, Charlie's not gone. He's not physically with us. And there's a fabulous picture around the corner of Jesus hugging Charlie. And I just find myself thinking about that image because that's exactly what happened. But also, as we see young people across the country who are all Charlie's, we haven't lost, we've in fact gained. And the momentum is real. There's a revival going on across this nation, and you can see it and feel it every single day. And just in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I just was told that since Charlie's assassination, there's been 44 new high school Turning Point chapters that have started. We're seeing chapters in our universities come where there weren't before. And I think that is what this is all about, which is Charlie's legacy is in fact Charlie.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

And everyone understands that he spoke truth and that he stood for faith and honesty. And I constantly see T shirts that say freedom on them. And that, my friends, is why I have such great faith in our future. Because of the generation that is stepping up and leading and not staying on the sidelines.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. Yeah. As someone who is Gen Z, I feel like Charlie was the voice for a lot of us. And you're right, he's not gone. His spirit is still with us. And Charlie was a tremendous believer in Christ and the Bible as the foundation of everything that he lived for. And it's been beautiful to see how many people have been led to Christ because of everything that's happened or people who have been inspired to join a Turning Point chapter or get involved on our campuses. I am interested to see as this energy continues, we are at an all time high at Turning Point USA with the energy but on the right. I'm just hoping that people can continue to reach out to the Gen Z and have a voice for them. And the thing that I just keep saying is on campus, Charlie was debating and bringing truth half the time. The other half the time he had his microphone on the table and he was listening to them and their problems. And then he'd bring their problems to Capitol Hill and say the youth are dealing with this issue. So that's something I think we can all be looking for. Right before we started, we had talked about the debate this, this last week and talking about how great of a job Winsome Earl Sears had had done. But we're just going to play clip388 super quick and then we'll just do a quick reaction to that.

[Mike Cernovich]

Do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?

[Abigail Spanberger]

15 seconds, yes or no? I. We are all running our individual races. I believe my opponent has said that about her lieutenant governor nominee and it is upstairs every person to make their own decision. I am running my race to serve Virginia and that is what I intend to do. Thank you. Ms. Spamberger.

[Mike Cernovich]

We just want to clarify, you know.

[Abigail Spanberger]

What you're saying is that as of now you still endorse Jay Jones as Attorney General. I'm saying as of now, it's up to every voter to make their own individual decision. I am running for Governor. I am accountable for the words that I say, for the acts that I take, for the policies that I have put out. Thank you. I am responsible for the policies I put out and the work I will endeavor to do tirelessly for the people. Governor representation. Thank you, Ms. Spamberger.

[Mikey McCoy]

I don't understand how hard it is to say it's wrong to threaten to kill children.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

And therefore I can't support somebody running for Attorney general. The top cop in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the people's protector who says first I want to put two bullets in someone's head and then I want to see their children die in their mother's arms. And then a few cops need to die too. I mean it is beyond disqualifying. And why she can't say he shouldn't be voted in to serve as Attorney General because I couldn't put him in the. I couldn't put him in my cabinet. He couldn't get a job as a district attorney. He could never pass a background test. He's disqualified. And the fact she can't say it is stunning. I mean, she had three chances there to say the very simple words, he's disqualified. He should not be Attorney General, and he should step down from the race and to show courage, but instead some word salad with no answer in it, which I think furthers everyone's recognition that the Democrat Party is embracing a candidate who has espoused violence.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

And they run around and. And try to say, oh, we shouldn't have any violence. We should have no violence. And, I mean, we're sitting here at Turning Point, and we're talking about violence against your political enemies. And there could be no moment where we say anything other than it's abhorrent, and we. We mourn what's happened. And the fact that she can't say that and tell this candidate to step down, I think is beyond a moment of lack of moral clarity, and I think it's very defining for her own morality.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. I'm worried about the increase in violence on the left. I mean, as we stand here with this empty seat right here and someone who has had a massive impact on the younger generation and so many people in this country and across the world, and the no Kings protest is about to happen. There's an Atlantic article about the MAGA has found their. George Floyd. And I just have a. I struggle with that because the left, when that happened, burned cities to the ground and Wendy's and cars and homes. And when Charlie was assassinated, we peacefully gathered, worshiped for three hours. Thousands gave their lives to the Lord. 277,000 people came to Charlie's memorial. And I am increasingly worried about the direction that the left is headed in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Our good friends at Angel Studios. I love Angel Studios. Amazing new film this Holy Week.

[Jeff (Angel Studios representative)]

As I think about Charlie's life and how much of a support he was of angel, it's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did. He supported us in our darkest days and in our. Our brightest hours as a company. Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together. We asked him, we said, are you at all worried about one of these college campuses? And he just said, with so much peace in his eyes and so much peace in his heart, if that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go. I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony to Jesus Christ, his Lord and savior. And his relationship with him was. Was the most important thing that he would want the world to remember about his legacy. Man, are we grateful to have gotten to be a little connection in the multitude of connections that he made. Throughout his life because it was so impactful to us. Thank you, Charlie.

[Mikey McCoy]

Love you.

[Jeff (Angel Studios representative)]

We miss you. We're going to continue to drive forward the good news.

[Mikey McCoy]

The purple state whisper. I like that title. I think we keep it.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

We have learned how to win in a purple state.

[Mikey McCoy]

That's right, you have. What are you doing as governor and what is going on in Virginia with National Guard, Virginia law enforcement? And I'd love for you to kind of respond on the left getting increasingly violent as the Democrat party moves further and further to the left.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

Well, that is the issue which is we've got the left liberal progressive wing of the Democrat Party who has absorbed it all. And we've seen their leaders over the years espouse awful things, calling everyone Nazis and fascists and even calling for violent protests. And Abigail Spamberger, in fact, as the Democrat candidate in Virginia has said, let your rage fuel you. I mean this is the rhetoric over and over and over again. And so as a governor, when there is a big protest planned with no kings, I've got to expect for the worse and then pray for the best. And that's why I've been very clear. I believe strongly in the first Amendment to the Constitution. In fact, so much of the Constitution was based on Virginians writings and the idea of being able to gather and protest peacefully is protected and I swore an oath to protect it and I always will protect it. However, if there is any transgression where there's, where there's any vandalism or there's violence or there's disruption of traffic or safety concerns, we have to make sure that people are safe. And so we have a huge increase in law enforcement presence. And yes, I've asked the Virginia National Guard to pre position so that we're ready and I pray that nothing happens. And we've communicated with all the leaders of the protest organizations and there's 90 different protests organized over the common around the Commonwealth of Virginia. And I want to make sure that everyone is safe. But I want to get back to the issue at hand, which is the liberal left wing of the Democrat party has indeed absorbed it all. And you can see that even folks you would expect to be a little bit more reasonable can't fight back anymore and they're dragged into this. Not a single Democrat has asked Jay Jones to step down. Not a single one.

[Mikey McCoy]

Not one of them.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

It's unbelievable.

[Mikey McCoy]

In fact, some of them are doubling down and you see the Virginia Beach Democrats doubling down on him. But let's just put up a picture. This is Todd Gilbert's family. 390. This is the epitome of the American nuclear family. I mean, that's a beautiful family. And you have J. Jones saying that they're breeding little fascists. And when you use a word so much, you dilute its meaning and people don't understand what it means anymore. And that's what the left is doing time and again. But we're just going to. For those of you who are tuning into this story for the first time, we'll just put up 392. These are J. Jones text messages where he says three people, two bullets. Gilbert, Hitler and Pol Pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with two the worst people you know. And he receives both bullets every time. Then he goes on to double down where he says, I genuinely was. I wasn't attacking you. I was trying to understand your logic. You weren't trying to. You were talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. Yes. I've told you this before. Only when people feel pain personally, do they move on policy. That's the scariest one for me because this is the top cop. And he's saying, only when people feel pain personally. I feel like this is just the weaponization of government again. This is what we saw under the Biden administration and this is what we're about to see. If this J. Jones wins.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

And, well, it can't happen because Virginia has to stand up and vote no Jay Jones, no Abigail Spamberger. Because we're better than this.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

I mean, think about the role that he is being asked to hired into a role where law enforcement has to trust him to have their back. And he said law enforcement must die. Now listen, every law enforcement agency has asked him to step down and said that he's unfit. This is someone who's got to comfort a mother whose children have died. And yet he called for the death of a two year old and a five year old. There's just no way he can possibly serve in this role effectively at all. But he shouldn't even have the right. I mean, this guy shouldn't be elected for anything. Worse yet, I think it is reflective of where the Democrat Party has moved. It has moved to a place where they are unable to ask him to step down because they are so in league with the progressive left and their violent rhetoric that has for years now been trying to prosecute the President. We saw the President nearly assassinated twice. We had two other Republican House candidates in Virginia with death threats. I mean, this is where they are in so many areas. And this is why I can't understand why it takes such a huge push to get them to do what's right. Step up and ask him to step down.

[Mikey McCoy]

Thank you, Governor. This is Governor Glenn Youngkin, Purple State Whisperer. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

What an honor to be with you.

[Mikey McCoy]

Thank you.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

By the way, this is for Charlie.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's for Charlie.

[Governor Glenn Youngkin]

For more on many of these stories.

[Mike Cernovich]

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