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'This Will Be Our Finest Hour' LIVE with Pastor Jack Hibbs

The Charlie Kirk Show

Mon Jan 25 2021

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Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode Title: “This Will Be Our Finest Hour” LIVE with Pastor Jack Hibbs

Date: January 25, 2021
Participants:

Charlie Kirk (Host, Founder of Turning Point USA)
Pastor Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills)

Episode Overview

This episode was recorded live at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, featuring a candid and spirited conversation between Charlie Kirk and Pastor Jack Hibbs in the wake of political and cultural shifts following the 2020 U.S. presidential election and its aftermath. The central theme is one of encouragement to Christians and conservatives to remain engaged, assertive, and hopeful—even as political, cultural, and technological headwinds intensify. The discussion weaves together faith, politics, the future of the church, threats posed by both government and big tech, and practical action steps for activism and spiritual resilience.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Christians Should Remain Encouraged (03:00–08:20)

Honest “Damage Report”: Charlie outlines recent conservative losses—the Georgia runoffs, Capitol unrest, NRA bankruptcy, Trump’s social media bans—but pivots to optimism, emphasizing that Democrats' control in Washington is slim, with no legislative supermajority.
False “Unity”: Charlie warns of the left’s idea of unity as “the absence of opposition” rather than genuine consensus (04:50).
Conservative Gains & Resilience:
- Conservatives made gains in the House, scored flips in California districts, and saw a surge of new, diverse Republican figures.
- Advocation for learning from the left’s persistence, citing their decade-long plan to win Arizona.

“We lost places we shouldn’t have, but we advanced in others. There is much more hope than people realize.” – Charlie Kirk (07:56)

2. Lessons for the Right and a Call to Action (08:20–12:51)

Learning from Opponents: Dedication and strategic thinking of the progressive left as a blueprint for conservative movement.
Focus States: Urgency to fix election laws in Arizona and Georgia, highlighting the impact of mail-in ballot changes.
Policy Mandate: Democrats, Charlie argues, do not have a real policy mandate—they won on “not being Trump” rather than on ideas.
Cultural Battles: Conservative wins were not erased by the election—Florida and much of the Midwest remain staunchly Republican.

3. The Distinctive Role of the Church (19:11–23:19, 23:19–27:55)

Biblical Foundation of American Liberty: Pastor Hibbs emphasizes that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, and warns churches may never regain government-granted religious freedom if they cede it (19:11).
Dividing Lines for Churches:
- Some remain apathetic/closed.
- Some become instruments of leftist activism.
- Others, like Calvary Chapel and its allies, remain bold and open.

“If everyone opened up right now...we could take our last stand, and it could be epic for the kingdom of God.” – Jack Hibbs (22:00)

Cruise Ship vs. Battleship Christianity: Charlie's metaphor challenges listeners to buckle up for spiritual warfare rather than expect comfort.
Political Engagement as Biblical Mandate: Old Testament heroes and even Jesus' words in Greek (“ecclesia”) endorse civic engagement.

4. Threats to Religious & Civil Liberties (32:59–45:09)

Left vs. Liberals: Charlie differentiates old-school liberals from today’s leftists, who, he argues, want to absorb or neuter the church (32:59).
Church as the Last Unconquered Institution: The church is the only major societal pillar still out of the left’s total control.
“State-Approved” Churches: Jack draws historical parallels to Nazi Germany and the USSR, where compliant churches were rewarded—an implied warning to churches tempted to compromise.
Domestic “War on Terror” Rhetoric & Laws: Caution over Biden’s ambiguous use of “political extremism” and parallels to post-9/11 Patriot Act language (41:00). Fears that new laws could target religious conservatives.

“What they’re trying to do is use the United States security apparatus to try and end disagreeable Christians and conservatives. And don’t take my word for it. They’re saying it out loud.” – Charlie Kirk (44:44)

5. Defending Constitutional Values (47:44–54:00)

Constitutional Crisis: Jack expresses deep concern that Americans are only just realizing how fragile constitutional protections are if law enforcement and courts fail to uphold them.
Big Tech as a “Private Government”: Charlie outlines how tech giants (Google, Apple, Amazon, Twitter) now rival, if not exceed, federal powers—capable of erasing digital existence without due process (51:27).

6. Hope Amidst the Challenge (57:30–59:40)

Big Tech’s Overreach Will Backfire: They “overplayed their hand,” creating a massive, motivated market for alternatives as demonstrated with Parler, Telegram, etc.
Biblical Parallel: Referencing the “Tower of Babel” story (Genesis 11), Jack says anything built against God’s blessing will fall.

“Anything that is built without God’s blessing to try to challenge His authority, God will scatter and crumble.” – Charlie Kirk (58:47)

7. Eschatology, Globalism, and the Role of Technology (59:35–62:32)

Technology & Prophecy: Pastor Hibbs connects trends in tech (“buying and selling through numerics”) to biblical prophecy about a coming global economic system and the end times (Revelation 13).
Geopolitical Uncertainty: Absence of strong U.S. leadership is leaving a void internationally, fueling instability and the longing for a new leader as foretold in the Bible.

8. Overcoming Apathy: Encouragement and Endurance (63:12–68:26)

Fight Spiritual & Political Apathy: Inaction is the real threat. The enemy “would love nothing more than for you to be tempted to do nothing.” (63:12)
Facing Trials with Joy: Rejoicing in suffering is both biblical and vital for building faith (James 1).
Conservatives Must Persevere: “Conservatives fight until they lose, and progressives fight until they win.” (66:30)
Endurance Over Outcomes: Even if every earthly battle is lost, persistence in standing for what’s right is what ultimately matters.

9. Audience Q&A & Practical Steps (70:34–82:46)

Should Christians Stay on Social Media?
- Charlie: Stay and use these channels until forcibly removed; do not become a “social media martyr” by exiting preemptively (70:34).
- Alternatives like Telegram are quickly growing.
Protecting Election Integrity: "Check the Boxes" Strategy:
1. Know & Engage Local School Board: List, contact, pray for, and interact with local board members (74:31).
2. Learn Something New Every Day: Deepen knowledge of U.S. history and civics to inform activism.
3. Support Frontline Fighters: Pray for, support, and stand by leaders who display courage and vision.
Engage Local Government: Pastor Hibbs highlights the church’s longstanding outreach to local officials is why Chino Hills had fewer lockdown confrontations.

10. Final Rally & Looking Ahead (87:20–end)

Reject Self-Pity: Two paths—withdrawal or defiant, joyful engagement. The latter, they argue, will set up a conservative resurgence.
Turning Point USA Church Initiative: Foreshadowing major plans to support and mobilize churches nationwide for bold spiritual and civic engagement (89:41).
The “Happy Warrior” Mentality: Christians must be visibly joyful and positive, even amid setbacks, to confound their opponents and draw others to the faith.

“We are the happy warriors, everybody. We have joy, we know how this all works... The more good cheer, the more that kindness that we have...they will not know how to deal with us.” – Charlie Kirk (90:44)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Not Giving In to Defeat:

“This is going to be our finest moment.” – Charlie Kirk (90:50)
On Courage in the Face of Intimidation:

“I refuse to be intimidated. No one should be more able to deflect attacks than the Christian.” – Jack Hibbs quoting Ben Shapiro (30:40)
On Citizenship and the Constitution:

“If you don't believe in [the Constitution], honestly, what are you doing here?... When you don't have a court or law enforcement that obeys it, then I don't think I have a First Amendment anymore.” – Jack Hibbs (47:44)
On Spiritual Endurance:

“He who endures to the end — when the battle is done, then the war is determined. But God has already determined the outcome.” – Jack Hibbs (68:26)

Timestamps for Key Segments

03:00 – Optimism after setbacks: reasons for hope
08:20 – Lessons from how the left strategizes
19:11 – Biblical foundation: why churches must stand
23:19 – Three types of churches after 2020
32:59 – The last unconquered institution: the Church vs. the left
40:49 – Warning of "state-approved" churches
41:00 – "Domestic War on Terror" and civil liberties
51:27 – The rise of Big Tech as “private government”
57:30 – Why Big Tech overreached, and why it matters
59:35 – Technology, prophecy, and global politics
63:12 – Spiritual encouragement for discouraged listeners
70:34 – Should Christians leave social media?
74:31 – Practical action: “Check the Box” campaign
87:20 – Two paths: disengagement or happy warrior engagement
89:41 – Turning Point’s new church initiative teaser

Tone & Language

The tone throughout is urgent, passionate, conversational, spiritually emboldening, and at times humorous despite the gravity of the subject matter.
Both speakers use a combination of scriptural reference, political analysis, and personal anecdote to reinforce their points, staying unapologetically evangelical and conservative throughout the discussion.

Conclusion

Charlie Kirk and Jack Hibbs issue a clarion call to Christians and conservatives to rise above discouragement, remain steadfast in faith, engage with both civic and church life, defend constitutional and religious freedoms, and become “happy warriors” ready to rebuild and renew both the church and the culture. Their outlook is one of hope, determination, and joy in adversity, encouraged that endurance and righteousness—rather than retreat—will ultimately yield victory and renewal, spiritually and socially.

For more, subscribe to The Charlie Kirk Show and watch for upcoming Turning Point USA church initiatives.

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Transcript

Charlie Kirk (0:00)

Hey everybody. Just a couple days ago I was in Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, speaking with the great Jack Hibbs about a lot of stuff happening in our country, including where do we go from here? What are the action steps we need to take? What are the boxes I need to check? We go through that, including what does the Bible say about times like this? My friend Jack Hibbs, one of the most courageous, clear thinking and amazing pastors in the country, hosted me generously again at his church, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills. Thank you guys for allowing our staff and our team to be able to do what they do. CharlieKirk.com support Jack Hibbs and I chat about a lot. Buckle up everybody. Action packed episode. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

Jack Hibbs (0:43)

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

Charlie Kirk (0:45)

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

Jack Hibbs (0:49)

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

Charlie Kirk (1:02)

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Charlie Kirk (3:28)

Well, boy, there's a lot of reasons, and I do want to start with just kind of taking a damage report of how awful things are, and I actually think it's healthy and I think it's helpful, and then we can build up from there and kind of, what were the contributing factors? Because, my goodness, it was hard to watch yesterday. It was. And I know a lot of people here in this church did their part. I can't say that for every church across the country, quite honestly, but this church did their part. This church registered voters. This church mobilized. This church was aware, was alert, was informed, hosted the right gatherings. And you'll be blessed by that. You will, and you made an impact in this community. And, yes, even the state will talk about that. But, yeah, it's. We lost the Georgia runoffs, the Capitol tragedy, the NRA declared bankruptcy. President Trump has access to no social media at all whatsoever. They took him off of TikTok. I mean, what did they think he was gonna do on TikTok? Spotify, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. Really, in a stunning turn of events, I would have loved to have seen President Trump transition to TikTok when all other options were exhausted. The very company he was trying to kick out of the country. It's felt as if the hits have just kept coming. And yet I refuse to do anything but be committed to good cheer, positivity, and optimism. And some people have been. Charlie, are you delirious? No. I understand completely what's going on in our country, but let's also take a step back and ask ourselves the question, Jack, is it as bad as it feels? And the answer is no. The Democrats do not have 60 seats in the United States Senate. They have 50. A couple of them are going to be up in 2022 in very tough races in Arizona and Georgia, they have one Blue Dog, Democrat Joe Manchin. Nancy Pelosi did not get 244 seats in the House of Representatives. She only enjoys a seven seat majority. And at most on certain days, depending on who shows up. And the incoming administration has pledged and promised unity and they were not. And we'll get to exactly what they mean by unity because it's actually something very specific and it's important that we all know because it's not not the unity that you might think because their definition of unity is the absence of opposition. That's what they think of as unity. But they have no mandate to govern with a far left wing agenda. The only reason, well, there's a couple reasons that they got in, even from a policy perspective, was that I am not the other guy. And of course there's all the, let's say shenanigans and tomfoolery and gamesmanship which we can dive into here. That obviously played a role in all of that. Not to mention the fact that social media was a completely corrupted enterprise throughout the entire election where you could not even talk about Joe Biden's son without losing your Twitter account in the month of October. They do not have a mandate to govern with the iron fist that they're preparing to govern with. They barely control our government. Barely. But they're acting as if that they have 66 seat majorities. And so we also need to take a step back and say in a year where we were supposed to get blown out of the U.S. senate, I mean, lose seats that we've never lost before. We advanced in the US House of Representatives. We won seats here in California and you guys deserve credit for that. Young Kim, Michelle Steele, Mike Garcia, Darrell Issa. Four total flips, right, Jack? Isa, we flipped three state legislatures and one governors across the country and lost zero state legislatures. We have the most diverse and youngest group of Republicans probably ever, including the youngest ever Representative Madison Cawthorn.

Charlie Kirk (8:20)

I completely agree. And you look at here, we can actually learn something from the left. If you would have told me 10 years ago Arizona would have two Democrat senators and send their electors to a Democrat president, I said what state of Arizona are you talking about? The left was relentless. They had a battle plan, they implemented it. They had faith even when things did not look good and they were perseverant and they were persistent. The same is going to happen in California. You will win this state back eventually, but it's going to take that kind of dedication. It's going to take 10 years, 15 years. It might even happen quicker than that. But also, let's go even just across the country. Ohio, Trump won by eight and a half points. Iowa, we won by eight points. We across the country. This is the first time since 1907 that the incoming President has less seats in the House of Representatives, meaning he had no coattails whatsoever. Joe Biden. You may not know this about me, but I'm kind of an undercover. Some people would call it a nerd. When it comes to studying the global economy, I love seeking out financial wisdom. When it comes to my own portfolio, I always value precious metals. Noble Gold is the firm I trust to buy gold and silver from which can serve as a hedge of protection in your Iraq. First reason they are a United States based company supporting American businesses is so incredibly important. Second reason Noble Gold has impeccable online reviews. A great online reputation is a must if you're going to trust a team's financial counsel. Third reason Noble Gold has an experienced staff who works hard to make life easy for you. Any paperwork that might pop up takes less than five minutes to complete. Maybe it's an old 401k that needs a home. Maybe you're just like me and curious about your options. If so, grab a free gold guide but by visiting noblegoldinvestments.com to learn more. I respect this team and I know you will as well. Call Noble Gold right now. Tell them you heard about investing on my show. They will find the right plan on your budget. That's noblegoldinvestments.com and so we can get into that too. The overanalyzing of certain things, that's a whole different thing. But look, here's the thing, everybody. It feels awful. I get it. But it wasn't a blowout. It wasn't. We won places we weren't supposed to win. We advanced territory. There's two states that are big problem childs that are back in play almost instantaneously. Arizona and Georgia that have got to fix the way we do elections in this country. And that's got to be priority number one. This mail in ballot nonsense has got to stop when we are just throwing ballots all over the place. It has to. And Jack, Georgia and Arizona have Republican legislature, they have Republican governors and they have to start taking marching orders from their constituents. Where Georgia had at its most 225,000 mail in ballots back in 2016, they had 1.2 million mail in ballots this last November. Now, just from an economy of scale, imagine, Jack, if six times, well, you already actually know what this is like. Six times the amount of people show up for a Sunday service than you anticipate. It's a bad example. But if anyone else out there that doesn't have booming, wonderfully flourishing churches doesn't know what that's like, the point is that you don't have the infrastructure to be able to facilitate that. So what do they do? Well, because Stacey Abrams believed she never gave up. She was well funded, she changed the way elections were done in Georgia. Less convinced about persuasion and more convinced about actually the mechanics of how elections are done. So the signature verification threshold was changed. Yes. Where kind of a scribble is more acceptable than actually what exactly it says in your driver's license. These sort of, kind of boring, inconsequential, more legal fights never concerned us as conservatives because I mean, what exactly it's in the courts all of a sudden. We realize in an election on the margins, when you have 20,000 votes being rejected, when 97,000 votes were rejected back in 2016, that's the difference between winning and losing Georgia and with it the United States Senate. And that has to be one of the top marching orders there. But here's the other thing that I think is really promising is that the Democrats did not win anywhere on any of their ideas or policies. Think about this. The only places that they won was pretend, just pathologically hating Donald Trump and running on moderate policies. They did not win on any of the things that they are now espousing in the United States Senate. Nowhere did people show up and say, you know, I want a Democrat so we can have a robust debate on gender pronouns in the United States Senate. No one showed up and they said, you know what? I want a Democrat, because I think it's about time we say a woman after we say a prayer in the United States Congress.

Jack Hibbs (19:11)

So Charlie, the Bible tells us God says in his word in Daniel chapter two that I'm the Lord, I am God, and I set up kings, and I take kings down. What's very interesting to this is that this church knows that I was arguing how much we need to, as a nation, get back to the Constitution. Of course, as a church we need to get back to the Bible. As a nation, we need to get back to the Constitution. Listen, the Bible is the birthplace of the Constitution. One feeds the other and one defends the other. The Bible doesn't need defense. It's a sword. It functions by itself. But it is sure nice to have the Bible and the First Amendment. We don't have to have the First Amendment, but we have it. So what's interesting is that when you look at Daniel chapter two, that God sets up kings and he takes kings down. God never does that by sinning or doing evil. He cannot do evil. The remarkable thing is that there's obviously, at least on paper, I don't know. I cannot speak for heaven. The dynamic of what America is in right now is as epic as. Even as the birth of this nation, in the sense that what's up? When this nation was born, we were asking, what? What's up? How could we defeat the greatest military power on earth? But we did. Well, it was God. The nations of the world began to look at us because things just started happening. We were all surprised by God's blessing 200 years ago. Now we're at this moment where people are saying, what's up? Rather than be discouraged because you can't figure it out. You know, everyone likes to put everything in its little proper slot. God's doing something. I don't understand it, but he is doing something. And I got to tell you, this is my opinion. This is my opinion. 2020 was a time where we obviously had a supernatural almost vetting of the church in America. Every church had the same Bible, but churches did different things. History will write that report card, but now we're in 21 and what's. We don't know. Listen, we stand every day. We're talking about this before. This church stands every day by God's grace, because the powers that be out there would shut us down in a second. And they're sharpening their swords as we speak. We stay open by the grace of God every day. Here's. And here's the truth. And God's been so good. The truth of the matter is by God's grace, we stood. We're standing. If you as a church out there in America, if you didn't make the cross over into the new year standing, I don't know if you're going to get a chance to stand again. Think about this. Something's going on in our world. Something's going on in America. God's doing something. And I just want to put a cry out to churches. You really need to open up now because there's a high probability that you may never be granted the freedom to do that from the government again. And if you're waiting for the government to give you permission to open up, I don't think it's going to come from this current administration. I just don't think it's going to come. And I plead with Christians and churches, if everyone opened up right now, as it were, if we believed in the last moment, in the last days, we could take our last stand and it could be epic for the kingdom of God. If we, the church, rallied in America to preach the gospel one more time, I think it would be incredible.

Charlie Kirk (23:19)

I couldn't agree more. And I mean, there's an honest assessment that needs to be done. As I mentioned, this church did everything right. And if every church was as prayerful and alert and involved as this church, especially in this last election, things would have looked a lot differently. You especially look at the state of Georgia, State of Georgia, where you have pastors that are coming out and they are saying, we don't like the whole culture war Christianity thing. We're not going to get involved in this election when we know the stakes. And now all of a sudden you see the stakes of what happened where you have the Christian rapper Lecrae who comes out and campaigns for Raphael Warnock, the pro abortion advocate. That's the guy who we're listening to on Caleb Lecrae, who we're supposed to look up to, who in my personal opinion should never be allowed to perform at another church after advocating for Raphael Warnock, who for Lecrae, who's a Christian rapper, he wanted to be loved and accepted by the Democrat power establishment more than standing up for truth. The pro abortion Raphael Warnock. So you're exactly right. When it happens to the church in America. And there's three categories of churches right now in the country. There's those that are apathetic and scared, refuse to open and they remain disengaged. There are churches that still remain somewhat closed, but they're almost become left wing instruments of activism. And those are, I wish they were apathetic actually, because they're misapplying the text for something that is quite, I believe, dangerous for the country. And then there's churches like yours, Jack, and like Rob McCoy and James Cadiz and Pastor Jurgen from San Diego and John Randall and Greg Denham. And the list goes on. There's some fighters here in California, everybody and across the country. And it's, it's a list that hopefully will continue to grow. But here's the question. And it was just illustrated to me beautifully by Pastor Greg. And it was this is, do we want cruise ship Christianity or Battleship Christianity? And that's if we're honest with ourselves. The way that the gospel has been misunderstood, taught, or taught incorrectly is a better way to say it to congregants across the country and Christians is the gospel will free you of all earthly responsibility. You can go take a vacation endlessly on a cruise ship and you're never going to have to worry about anything again. When in reality it's like, no, once you give your life to Jesus, now you buckle up and you go into the conflict. Now you go into the difficult situations. Now you're going to contest for the people that do not have a voice, for the people that need salvation, for the churches that need to open. And some pastors are saying, well, I don't want the church to get involved in politics. They must be reading or ignoring different parts of the Bible than I am. How are they supposed to reconcile of the heroes in the Old Testament that are portrayed as heroes that got involved in secular government for God's will, such as Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, just to begin the list, where all of them got involved for God's purpose in secular government, how are they supposed to reconcile what Jesus Christ said at Caesarea Philippi when in the original coinier Greek, Jesus Christ said on this rock, build my. We say church, but the actual Greek term is ecclesia. Ecclesia was a secular Greek term that literally was what we're doing tonight, talking about what's happening around us, finding a way to try and make sense of the chaos as active citizens. And you know what the Greeks used to have as the two big words when they gathered in an ecclesia, ella, eutheria and isonomia, which means freedom and equality. Jesus knew what word he was using when he was when that was in. In God's word. He didn't use the secular word synagogue. He didn't use temple. Why is that? Because Jesus wanted comprehensive Christianity, not compartmentalized Christianity. He wanted us to be everywhere. Guess what that means? That means you're in the tough situations. That means you're going up to open the church that you're contesting in every scenario imaginable. Here's just a. Here's just a news flash to everyone watching at home. Not as much here. You've grown way too comfortable as a Christian in this country. You've been way too part of the mainstream culture, way too part of it. You should be always swimming again against that stream and people. And, Jack, you made a great point. We were chatting earlier in your studio. Well, I want to be relevant. I want to be. You want to be relevant? Preach the word of God if you want to be relevant.

Jack Hibbs (29:32)

How can you. How can you endorse someone who's a womanizer and all this stuff? It had nothing to do with the person. It had to do with his policies. If a candidate. I don't care what color they are. I don't. Color what. I don't care what. What status they are. I don't care what party they're with. If they have policies that honor God in the word, they're going to get my vote. And that. That's. That's just it. And so, as believers, listen. There is a real movement now being engineered. Charlie can talk about it better than I can. The. The cannons. You ever see Those World War II movies where they're cranking the cannon? The guy's going like this, cranking the cannon. And the cannon's going like this. That guy's going like this. They're moving their cannon right now toward the Christian community in America right now. Why? Because they know that something happened in this last election among the Christian community. Why? What was it? It wasn't Trumpism. It wasn't the Trump cult. It was. And they're not going to get it. They just don't get it. We're Blue in the face, telling them it was because they were pro Trump and many of the red candidates were pro life. It's the pro life issue. And. But they don't get it. And so they're going to lower their weapon at you, so to speak. I like what our friend Ben Shapiro says. I refuse to be intimidated. Isn't that a great line? I refuse to be intimidated. Listen, no one should be more able to deflect attacks than the Christian. We know what our mission is, and that is to bring every man, woman, boy and girl into the love of God and the forgiveness of Christ, into heaven. That's our mission. And we are to go all around doing good. That means blessing all of those, including our enemies. And we are to let the light so shine. One more thing before Charlie jumps in here. He mentioned about being a light or shining. And I thought, how precious is a candle when you're walking around and you need, you know, when your power's out? Do I need to tell you that in California the next time your power goes out? And if you have a candle, have you noticed how much you protect that candle when you're walking around down the hallway or wherever you're at in the kitchen, you protect it. The church today needs to protect its witness, which is its candle, Jesus, as I walk through the midst of the seven lampstands. And how many times in the book of Revelation did he warn those churches, you better shape up or else you're going to lose your witness. He says, you better watch out or else I'm going to remove your candle.

Charlie Kirk (34:04)

And they're trying where now you have an openly pro abortion senator from Georgia who's a reverend, calls himself a reverend, and he's now going to be going on the United States Senate invoking the name of God, using scripture to justify 1 million abortions every single year. And so for pastors that say, well, I don't like getting involved in politics, well, hold on. Politics is coming to your church whether you like it or not. And the reason they say that, I'm going to say this as lovingly as I can, Jack. The reason they say that could be for a couple reasons. The first reason, I'll give them the most benefit of the doubt, they don't know politics and they're a little intimidated by it. I think some pastors fall into this category. I think some pastors are like, ah, I don't quite get it. I don't like that excuse. Ask questions, find people that do understand it because we're more than willing to pour in knowledge about something. Quite honestly, isn't that hard to wrap your hands around? Okay, what they're really saying when they say that though is it's a little too controversial for me. I kind of like the whole expanding our budgets and building bigger buildings while we're not a political church, as some churches in this 30 mile radius will say. And yet they are the first ones to say that America is a systemically racist country, that we have to go mark the, in the BLM Incorporated march. And they go and just without any basis whatsoever start to apologize for their whiteness and which is something that happened in a church not too far from here. And so they, they don't want the controversy. And so Jack and I think that everyone here recognizes and realizes this. If the left gets the church, we're done. And guess what? They are working harder to infiltrate the church than the American church is just trying to influence, not even infiltrate American government. They are doing everything they can through false teaching in seminaries, through getting Christian rappers like Lecrae just completely and totally just hypnotized by this Raphael Warnick nonsense and garbage. I mean, you said it perfectly. Just the life issue, if you want to talk about an issue that is pretty simple to articulate. Raphael Warnock, new senator from Georgia, calls himself a Christian. He's perfectly okay with 1 million abortions a year and 340,000 of them are black children every single year. Joe Biden calls himself a Catholic, and he's perfectly okay with that happening. I don't even have to get into the other issues such as Israel, border security, child sex trafficking. I'm happy to get into all of it. That's a pretty easy way to be able to differentiate it. And so the American church right now, here's the irony of it too, Jack, which I think you've kind of demonstrated, is that Americans right now are inundated with politics everywhere we go, everywhere. And whether it's politics in social media, politics at work, politics in sports, right? You can't watch a football game anymore without someone saying, you know, you're a racist. Right? Like, okay, I got that. Okay, thank you. It's over the top. And National Basketball association, all that. And yet. So people go to church to try to get clarity. They go for a lot of different reasons. Sometimes they get clarity for things that they're confused about. So you think about it, we have marriage ministries, we have prison ministries, we have youth ministries, we have summer camp ministries, we have ministries that help clothe and feed the poor. Yet the one thing that is dominating the American conversation, which is politics, most churches say, no, no, we don't do that. So are we supposed to trust you with anything you say if you're not trying to make sense of the political arena? And Jack, that's why your church is flourishing, because you've had the courage to stand up and say, I will tell you what's going on in the world and you deserve to be rewarded for that. I'm blessed. And you will be blessed for that. And let me make one. But. And I want you all to understand this, that this man right here and this church is going to make itself on a list very soon. Because we, we fool ourselves and we say they want to get rid of the church. Wrong.

Charlie Kirk (40:49)

It's coming, it's coming. And in fact, this is some of the language that's already being used. If you talk about. And this is the, this is one of the biggest things I want to just try to get everyone in an active posture about because we got way too much to worry about to just kind of go through the whole self pity thing. And trust me, I did that for like 10 minutes and I cut it out. Okay, so. And I understand it because we got some real serious things that we have to make sure do not get implemented. And let me tell. And I've been talking about this at length on my podcast and very few conservative commentators are actually talking about this right now. Tucker Carlson is one of the few that has really been phenomenal on this. But if you listen to Joe Biden's inaugural, inaugural address and you listen to even how MSNBC responded to it, they said, I heard him declare war. That's right. He's declaring a new war, a domestic war on terror. But it's incredibly unspecified, ambiguous. It would be one thing if he said there are these groups of people that are living in this part of the country and this is the threat that they pose, and this is why we must do something about it. Instead, the language that he use is political extremism. Whoa. And the other words he uses are probably more easily defined, but still those words get thrown around. But let's just start and stop on political extremism. What does that mean exactly? And so bills that are already being introduced in Congress. I want you guys to listen very carefully about this. Are almost carbon copies of the Post 911 Patriot act, where now they want a new domestic war on terror. That could be an endless war here in the country. They love endless wars. But this one will not take the kind of positioning in the Kandahar Valley. This one can happen right here in Camarillo, California. And we have the Fourth Amendment for a reason. So that government has to get a warrant before they spy on you or they kick down your door. And so what is beginning to be proposed because of the tragic events on January 6 that no one in this church supports philosophically or morally, is now grouping 75 million people into an event and saying because of that, we must now have increased power. By the way, we already have 52 domestic terrorism laws on the books in this country. 52. But they need. They want a new law that's primarily being pushed by Congressman Brad schneider from the 10th congressional district of Illinois that would give increased power for monitoring, surveilling, and potentially infiltrating groups. You had a person that used to run an intelligence agency use this term, that the problem, amongst other things, are libertarians and religious fundamentalists. They could categorize every person that is in this room as a religious fundamentalist. Why are they doing this? It's because they actually know they're really, really bad at governing and their ideas are going to kind of fail. So they need a reason to stay in power, everybody. And the reason that they're going to give now is our policies might be unpopular and terrible and awful, but we're not them. Therefore give us more power to spy, surveil, infiltrate, and thwart. When in reality we know this, that we were disgusted by those events, that we knew that there was people that got caught up in it that said they made the biggest mistake of their life. They were professional agitators. There were people that were blm, and yes, There were people that are not in any Trump movement I've ever been that call themselves Trump supporters. I'm like, I don't know if that's. You're. You're part of any Trump supporter I've ever seen at the other 30 rallies I've gone to, they're using this now as an excuse. So what does that mean for us? This means that we are now going to have the most consequential civil liberty fight since 911 for Christians and conservatives, where we have to say, guess what? You want to go spy on Americans? Go get a warrant. Okay, Go to a judge and say you're going to do it. You want to go infiltrate a Christian or conservative group? Go use one of the paths that already exist. That, by the way, we know they can be abused because they use it to spy on President Trump. That we now have to understand the nuts and bolts of the US Constitution, because I'm telling you right now, everybody, what they're trying to do is use the United States security apparatus to try and end disagreeable Christians and conservatives. And don't take my words for it. They're saying it out loud.

Charlie Kirk (51:54)

Now you have Jack Dorsey who has less money than Carnegie ever had and he says, I don't like that opinion, make him disappear. And so I want to just go through a thought exercise with you guys for a second. We have two governments, one that is private, and I put that in air quotes. One that controls communication and one that you have elections and you're able to have some voice. Which one is more powerful. And there's not necessarily a right or wrong answer that. Some people say the federal government is absolutely more powerful. The federal government can audit you. True. That's right. The federal government can put you in prison. 100% you're right. But do you know the one thing that the federal government you can do that you can't do to these tech companies? You can have a lawyer present when you get accused. You have due process. You could sue your government. You could find out what you're being charged for. You know, like basic rights of knowing why you're going to jail. Silicon Valley government, Menlo park government. No, no, no, no. Your whole digital existence can disappear instantaneously without explanation. Your whole digital capacity to exist. I'm talking about who you are. Go look at your screen time. I guarantee you there's people that spent six, eight, ten hours on your phones today. You're a cyborg. And that's okay. We can get into that a different time. But insofar that we have now basically surrendered to these devices. That's a troubling thing. Again, a different speech for a different time. Your existence is now part of these tech companies. And some people are like, you know what, you know what they used to say? Jack, go start a competitor. Okay, Parlor, we tried. What do we do with the competitor? Right? Great guy. John Mates or Matt C. Great. I've met with him a couple times. I was one of the first Parlor accounts. I love competition. I want to believe in the ideal of entrepreneurship. And in one day, one day, one day, three one trillion dollar companies that have really nothing to do with the social media space. One in hardware primarily, one in search engine optimization, and one that controls servers colluded together and said, you shall not exist. And they basically wiped off parlor from the face of the universe. No different than Star wars getting rid of a planet.

Charlie Kirk (54:50)

Let me tell you why, please. So one of the main reasons that we allowed these tech companies to get so powerful is, and this is just an honest assessment that we have to take in the conservative movement is we were handcuffed for this false idea of free market principles. I'm a Milton Friedman guy. I love it. However, we also have to say, what's the best thing for the country? And is this actually a free market? Have we given them section 230 immunity? Are they operating as a free market? So every time anyone popped up their head and they're like, we should probably not let Facebook do this, all of a sudden they said, I thought you were for the free market. And they stopped all conversation as if they were reading the ten commandments. And there is no dogmatic, there should be no dogmatic driving belief where it's like, thou shall never challenge the tech companies. Like, okay, that's insane. And it's bad for the country. And so what it's ended up being is that we've hid behind these free market principles. And now not having a free market, you have three one trillion dollar companies that control everything. And so here. And here's the other part of it, that's the dip. The grim reality is that these massive companies started to staff all of them, their companies, with graduates from college campuses that, you know, learned to hate the country and were well equipped to be able to use that newfound power where I want you to think about it. You just graduated from Caltech, great school. You've been taught America is terrible, Christianity is false, that Christian Americans are the Problem. And all of a sudden you've been given the night shift at Google. No, no, seriously, think about this. You're earning $400,000 a year and your job is now you've been given the task and the capacity, a button where you can make Calvary Chapel Chino Hills disappear instantaneously. And we're supposed to believe they're not going to abuse that power. That's why we're conservatives, after all, right? We think government's going to do that to us. Of course Silicon Valley is going to do that to us. And so we're in this new environment. And I'll tell you the positive of it, Jack, where the only positive after what happened, because Amazon hosted the servers, they took Parler down. Google said, you're no longer in the Android Store. Apple said, you're no longer in the Android store. Three different CEOs, three different formation documents, three different ticker symbols all simultaneously said, you're done. But here's the one thing they did wrong, and I think they realize it. They did this way too fast. Where I used to have to go around the country and persuade people around the threat of big tech, now I have to tell you what to do about it. Big difference. Now you guys are already convinced it's a problem, right? You're like, so now what do we do? That's already a win. Where now they overplayed their hand. Everyone is now alert to this existential threat.

Charlie Kirk (63:12)

It's awesome words. And you know, in this time, you know, we receive a lot of feedback from people across the country. You guys know the email freedomarliekirk.com if you want to reach me. I read every single email and I really enjoy doing it, Jack, because I get a pulse of tens of thousands of people of where they're at and what they're thinking. And there's a lot of people that are depressed and upset and that's okay. But if that translates into apathy and disconnection, then that is not okay. The enemy would love nothing more than for you to be tempted to do nothing. Understand that inaction is a temptation. So it's, it's, it's a sin of sloth. It's a sin of being sedentary, being stationary. And so at this moment, what is the hard thing to do that is also the right thing to do? To stand for righteousness, to contest for truth, to go take new terrain, to build new. That's hard because guess what? If you do those things, I have a promise for You, I promise you, you will have more opposition than anyone before you, and you will be persecuted. So my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy, I met with him over the weekend. Amazing guy from Calvary Chapel, Godspeak. And he's been awesome. I want to get to Mike McClure in a second too, because I want. Yep, yep. I don't want to forget that. But I was meeting with him. I said, rob, I gotta, I gotta ask you. And I was kind of in just this, I don't want to say, like, snarky mood, but I was just kind of upset, right? Everything seemed to just be falling apart. Anyone been there lately? It's just everything's terrible. It's awful. Like, even just everything's terrible, I get it. And so I was like, rob, are you sure it says this in James 1 where we're supposed to rejoice and be thankful in persecution? I don't like anything about this. Like, where's the part of, like, playing the Oppression Olympics and self pity and self loathing and, you know, you kind of take a couple weeks off and, you know. Rob chuckled. Of course it's like, no, we're supposed to rejoice in these trials, ask for wisdom. God will give it generously. It's one of the few things God tells us that he'll give to us generously. And so then you have to make the conscious act of, am I going to resist this temptation right now of just kind of being just unpleasant to be around? Am I going to submit to this temptation? It says it in James 1 that God will never tempt you.

Charlie Kirk (74:31)

So I have a slide that I want to put up that's called check the box. And I'm going to be doing this on my podcast, on my radio, and everywhere I speak where I'm going to ask people, they say, what do I do? I'm going to ask, have you checked the boxes? And it's just three boxes. And so if we could get that slide up. Okay. It's somewhat to do with election integrity, but people say, what do I do? What do I do, Charlie? What do I do? Check these three boxes. Let's walk through them. All right, number one, list every one of your school board members tonight and put them. Put the names on your refrigerator on your reminder list, and you pray for them daily. You try to get in personal contact with them and you make a plan with other church members or friends and you try to influence local government. I guarantee you very few people can tell me every single one of their school board members and what they're dealing with. Just check the box, right? It's Sally Sue Marie, it's Dave Smith, and it's, you know, John Jones. And they're dealing with whether or not they should put the 1619 project in Chino Hills. And I took them out for coffee and I took them out here. That's. That's one of the boxes to check. It's easy. All you currently doing that. The second thing is this, which people might say, this is weird. Why would I want to do that? Which is learn something new every single day about this beautiful country we live in remember this, that making yourself more aware of where we came from, the wisdom that preceded you, will make you stronger and better informed of how to deal with today. Guess what? We're not the first people ever deal with tyranny. I know, it's amazing. There have been some unbelievably thoughtful people. So maybe it's I'm going to listen to a podcast every day. Maybe it's, I'm going to read the Gulag Archipelago. Maybe I'm going to read Social Needs. Maybe it's any one of those things. But you're going to make a commitment like you're running on the treadmill that I'm going to learn. And that's a thing that we don't talk about enough. Because if every person here every day dedicated themselves to 10 minutes of learning, all of a sudden, unbelievable, organic ideas are going to pop up. And then, guess what? You're going to turn to your friends. You're going to be like, you know what's really happening here, right? This is liberal fascism. And fascism came from. It's really cultural Marxism, which came from Antonio Gramsci. And all of a sudden, you're going to be educating everyone in your local area and you're becoming alert, and the left will be kind of walking into walls and learn something new every day.

Charlie Kirk (80:53)

Amen. And the last box that I encourage everyone to check, and this one might be a little bit open ended for a lot of you, but one of the left strategies right now is to break our will and to take strategic chess pieces off the chessboard. Certain people that have been a little bit too disagreeable, a little bit too effective, a little bit too bold and a little bit too courageous, they're going to try. Remember, the left, they are in the business of the personalization of American politics. So I want to be very clear, before they go after Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, they're going to try to go after Jack Hibbs because they're going to think if we can just get rid of him, they're going to try to replace it or they might do it simultaneously. This is part of their playbook. And so that's why the, the, I encourage all of you tonight or in the coming days, just take out a list, take out a piece of paper and write a list of the human beings that you have seen gone above and beyond, worked their tail off and have sacrificed something. People like Candace Owens, Dennis Prager, Jack Hibbs, Rob McCoy, people like that, have they really, they've really decided that they're going to expose themselves. Because now here's the moment, right? Because when they do their biggest push, when all of a sudden the big news agencies and all their power sources say, we want to take that one out now. Because I don't like that they're being too effective in the black community or too effective here. Get them because we control everything. The question is, will there be a support structure behind them to say no, no, no, no. And so you say, well, how do I do that? Well, first of all, you pray for them by name every night, you list them. And then all of a sudden you say, huh, what's one way I can support it? Maybe with Turning Point usa, it's getting to know the local Turning Point USA chapter leaders and hosting a dinner for them once a month. Whatever it is, you guys know it. The spirit will speak to you. On that. It'll give you wisdom. But we're in a moment now where not everyone's going to be able to fight every day like Jack and I do. But that's okay. Be someone that helps the fighters. Because without the people that help the fighters, none of this is going to be made possible.