THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 103 — Halloween Traditions? The End of DST? Boomer Space Communism

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – Thoughtcrime Ep. 103: Halloween Traditions? The End of DST? Boomer Space Communism

Original air date: November 1, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (clips & presence), Panel: Jack (B), Blake Neff (C), Danny Phillip (D), Andrew Colvett (E)
Theme: A lively roundtable on Halloween’s cultural evolution, the drama of Daylight Savings Time, boomer-targeted tax reform, and Democrat Party dynamics.

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together the "Thoughtcrime" roundtable to dissect a suite of topical cultural debates. The panel explores shifting Halloween traditions (like "Mischief Night" and "Trunk or Treat"), the controversies and history behind Daylight Savings Time, generational divides around property taxes and "boomer welfare," and the strategic posturing of California Governor Gavin Newsom. Lively banter, generational perspectives, rants on the decline of community, and engagement with live audience feedback mark the tone.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Halloween & Regional Traditions

[01:09–28:45]

• Mischief Night/Devil’s Night

  • Jack introduces the idea of Mischief Night, a pre-Halloween tradition with roots in Philly, Jersey, and Michigan (where it's called "Devil’s Night").
  • Mischief described as TP-ing, egging, soaping windows, moving porch furniture—a "prankish not destructive" event.
  • [03:23] “Apparently in most of the country it’s not celebrated at all. It’s a total regional thing.” – Jack
  • Detroit’s Devil’s Night (70s–90s) escalated into real crimes (arson, vandalism).
  • Variants: "Cabbage Night" (New England—throwing rotting cabbages); "Gate Night" (Upstate New York—opening farm gates).

• Decline of Traditional Trick-or-Treating

  • Blake laments the rise of “Trunk or Treat,” where kids get candy from cars in parking lots instead of going door-to-door.
  • [07:48] “Trunk or treat is not Halloween, period.” – Blake
  • Panel complains this trend represents waning trust among neighbors & American “community decline.”
  • Counterpoint: Trunk or Treats are popular for church/school events, but some maintain both traditions.
  • Debate on whether it’s ethical to “trick or treat” outside one’s own neighborhood (e.g., going to wealthy areas for full-size candy bars).
  • Danny and Blake reminisce about growing up in urban and suburban areas, with local customs emphasized.

• Halloween Decorations & Social Meaning

  • Anecdotes on legendary local decorators and “public good” of citizens amplifying neighborhood spirit with holiday lights.
  • Panel broadly supportive of over-the-top decorations: “It’s a powerful public good when people want their houses to look really sweet.” – Blake [15:50]

2. Is Halloween Demonic?

[31:15–38:59]

• Recurring Debate: “Should Christians celebrate Halloween?”

  • [32:04] Jack: “I’ve been fighting from the pro Halloween perspective by explaining the true history of Halloween as a Christian holiday.”
  • Blake & Andrew: Argue that "rightly ordered" Halloween (i.e., emphasizing good over evil, like in classic fairy tales) is fine.
    • “Fairy tales are good, not because they say dragons are real, but because they say dragons can be beaten.” —Chesterton, paraphrased by Blake [32:04]
  • Andrew: Cautions that dabbling too far into the occult or horror can “open yourself up to darkness,” but costumes and childhood fantasy are innocent.
  • Charlie’s own (clip): “Halloween is a dark, dark day… too much joking around with the occult… there is legit darkness.” [36:08]
  • Jack: “There’s a right way and a wrong way to do Halloween… We’re extremely anti-occult in the Poso household… But just because the occult uses a Christian holiday to try to pervert… doesn’t mean the holiday is bad.” [38:59]
  • Blake: Warns that attacks on Halloween run the risk of extending to banning Christmas (“just remember the Puritans got rid of Christmas too!”) [53:10]

• Origins of Halloween:

  • Jack refutes “pop history” claims that Halloween is pagan in origin, citing All Saints’ Day established by Pope Gregory III in 735 AD.
  • Panel dives into the Christian heritage of All Hallows’ Eve—prayers for the dead, “souling” for cakes, mumming/guising customs.
  • Andrew and Blake expand on the lack of hard evidence linking Christian Halloween to Celtic paganism.

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3. Daylight Savings Time (DST): End It?

[19:44–30:46, 39:18–47:11]

• Charlie’s Take (clip):

  • [20:23] “I’m not a fan of daylight savings time… should just remain the same time throughout the entire year. I never understood that—in the most depressing time of weather, we also make it darker intentionally. Who thought of this thing?”

• DST’s History and Arguments:

  • Blake: DST associated with “evil” big government, WWI cabals, and New Deal economic interventions—not actually for farmers.
  • Andrew shares Andrew Huberman’s point: “It is healthier… for your circadian rhythms… for you naturally—it is obviously what God ordained.” [22:21]
  • Panel agrees that the abrupt fall back is what people despise, but switching is the problem.
  • Fun historical fact: The panel meanders into a scholarly aside on the Julian vs. Gregorian calendar and calendar drift [43:00–44:10].

• Audience Consensus & Harmful Impacts:

  • Multiple emails suggest picking one time and sticking with it.
  • [45:27] “The week where we lose an hour, also called Spring Ahead, has higher car accidents that week and lower productivity.” – Listener via Rumble Rant.
  • Panel: Switching time leads to increased car crashes, heart attacks, and general misery.

• Panel Consensus: End the switching; if possible, stay on “God’s time” (Standard Time) year-round.

  • Blake: “We must submit to the noonday sun as God ordained it.” [92:21]

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4. Gavin Newsom’s Political Games

[53:37–68:06]

• Newsom’s Moderation on Transgender Athletes

  • Clips played of Newsom’s interview with Charlie, where Newsom says it’s “unfair” for biological males to compete in female sports, balancing this “with humility and grace” towards vulnerable people.
  • Andrew: “He made the quick calculation… He’s going to speak some sense on this one, but stay left on everything else.” [55:37]

• Newsom’s “Slippery” Demeanor

  • Andrew and Jack mock Gavin’s shifting story about his son supposedly being a fan of Charlie Kirk, seeing it as a calculated move to appease a radicalizing Democrat base.
    • “[Gavin] lies with no shame. And he doesn’t—he thinks he’s gonna get away with it. That is a serial liar.” – Andrew [60:13]

• Democrat Party's Leftward Lurch

  • Panel plays a clip of Jennifer Welch, a “Bravo star,” ranting that Dem establishment better get on board with the left—or get steamrolled.
    • Andrew: “She is a very profane woman... She’s just literally incessantly drunk or high is what I would presume. … She’s a mocker, she is an accuser.”
  • Andrew: “The new litmus test—if you don’t call Charlie a vile racist and bigot fascist that probably had it coming, then you don’t deserve to be here…”
  • Panel discusses leftist harassment campaigns and doxxing of Trump officials (e.g., Stephen Miller), describing Antifa as “international terrorist organization.”

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5. Boomer “Luxury Communism” & Generational Tensions

[77:23–91:01]

• Texas Property Tax Debate

  • Texas considering a measure to slash school/property tax for residents 65+ by 50%.
  • Panel (citing Sagar Enjeti): “Boomer Luxury Communism”—cutting taxes selectively for wealthy seniors at the expense of the young.
    • “The oldest people in America are already the most financially well off by a large margin... All the numbers say the people who are getting hosed right now are the youngest Americans, period.” – Blake [77:37]
  • Arguments for means-testing these benefits, focusing instead on enabling homeownership and family formation for young people.
  • Andrew: “I do have compassion on older boomers that are on fixed income, and their property tax could outstrip their ability to pay for it. … But my bias is towards young Americans, obviously.”

• Boomer Home Ownership Stats

  • Danny: “Boomers account for 53% of all home sales, 42% of all home buyers.” [86:32–89:17]
  • Panel predicts such policies will further radicalize younger generations.

• Philosophical Aside: Property taxes are less distortionary than income or sales taxes (per Blake, advocating for “Georgism”—land value taxation).

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Notable Quotes & Humorous Moments

• [07:48] “Trunk or treat is not Halloween, period. Like, it is not real Halloween. If you just go to a bunch of people in a parking lot and get candy.” — Blake
• [10:05] “And yet Americans felt much more fine doing trick or treating when America was, you know, a less safe country.” — Blake
• [17:03] “I’ve seen some people say that it is demonic for a kid to put on a Hulk costume because it is putting on a new identity. Laugh emoji.” — Blake reading a chat comment
• [20:23] “In the most depressing time of weather, we also made it darker intentionally. Who thought of this thing? Makes zero sense.” — Charlie Kirk clip
• [25:32] “In our arrogance, in this secular age, we have revolted against God’s ordained time... I don’t think God likes to be mocked.” — Blake
• [45:27] “The week where we lose an hour, also called Spring Ahead, has higher car accidents that week and lower productivity.” — Listener (Zuzu’s Petals, via Rumble Rant)
• [60:13] “This is like the worst part about Gavin Newsom is that the guy lies with no shame. There is no shame.” — Andrew
• [77:37] “The oldest people in America are already the most financially well off by a large margin… all the numbers say the people who are getting hosed right now are the youngest Americans, period.” — Blake
• [92:21] “We need to cease our rebellion against God’s time. We must submit to the noonday sun as God ordained it.” — Blake Neff

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:23] Mischief Night explained: origins, regional terms
• [07:48] Trunk or Treat vs. Halloween—decline of tradition
• [10:05] Paranoia, safety, and American community decline
• [12:23] “Is it cheating to trick or treat outside your neighborhood?”
• [15:31] Legendary local decorators—“public good”
• [32:04] Should Christians do Halloween? Pro & con arguments
• [38:59] Halloween’s real history: Christian roots, not pagan
• [20:23] Charlie Kirk slams Daylight Savings Time
• [22:21] Huberman, circadian rhythms, and “God’s time”
• [25:14] Falling back is the worst—panel consensus builds
• [45:27] Listener highlights DST-linked accidents/deaths
• [47:11] Transition to Gavin Newsom
• [53:37–57:12] Gavin Newsom on trans athletes, honesty questions
• [60:13] Panel rips Newsom for his “slippery” style after son/fan comments
• [65:38] Jennifer Welch rants—evidence of Dem party radicalization
• [77:23] Debate: Texas property tax cuts for Boomers
• [86:32] Boomer homebuying stats: generational equity
• [92:21] Final thoughts: Submit to “God’s time”—Blake’s closing

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Tone & Spirit

• Energetic, combative, “curmudgeonly humor”
• Frequent generational jabs (young vs old), urban vs suburban perspectives
• Christian/traditional values lens
• Community & “real American” nostalgia
• Wariness of left-wing radicalism and “big government schemes”
• Panelists mix mocking, sincere policy debate, and rapid-fire banter, plus generous audience interaction.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

You’ll finish this episode with:

• A deeper, sometimes irreverent, understanding of how American traditions around Halloween and time itself are changing (with a dose of “submit to God’s time” zeal).
• Arguments on why “Trunk or Treat” and “boomer tax cuts” may be eroding bedrock community and generational fairness.
• Insight into how Democrats like Gavin Newsom try to skate between old moderation and the party’s rising “woke” base.
• Lively debate, personal nostalgia, and plenty of side rants—equal parts substance and culture war theater.

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Next up: The crew plans a live election night "superstream" on Tuesday—tune in if you want their trademark banter and breakdowns in real time.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again for another edition of Thought Crime Thursday. We are here on Thought Crime Thursday. Today is October 30th. Or as it's known in the Philadelphia area, in the Northeast, where I'm from, Mischief Night. Yes, that's right. Mischief Night. The night before All Hallows Eve. And we've got an illustrious panel. And I want to kind of ask about that. So we've got Blake Neff. He has returned from the nunnery. What's up, Blake?

[C]

Oh, it's doing great, Jack. I've even got the. The Macy's blazer on right now. The only blazer I ever allowed.

[D]

The one and only. Yeah, the famous one.

[B]

Now, we had. We had. We had. We had reported earlier in the last couple of weeks that you were planning on joining the nunnery. They kicked you out, if I understand, there was an incident.

[C]

Yeah, you know, it turns out you got to be a woman to join, and that's a big. It's a big technicality.

[B]

The fine print that always.

[C]

Yeah, and. And they're pretty. They're. They're pretty big sticklers on that.

[B]

It turns out it's the fine print that always gets you. And we have the great Danny Phillip here. What's up, brother?

[D]

How's it going? Good to be on. Let's see. Thought Crime debut. Here we go.

[C]

We're allowing Ohio State fans onto the panel now. I don't know if we're ever going to recover from this blow to our prestige national champions.

[B]

And I believe it was an Andrew Colvett will be joining us, but he's, he's very busy cr. Crying about the Dodgers right now.

[C]

Yeah, it's not looking good for them. It's looking like they could, they could lose to the, to the team Canada.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, if, if the LA Dodgers lose to team.

[A]

We'll.

[E]

We'll.

[B]

We'll rib him about it when he gets here. But losing and, and disgracing the United States, I mean, that's just, that's just Andrew for you. You know, that's just Andrew. We gotta, Gotta, gotta hand it to Andrew. But wait, so do you guys. So now, now do you guys have Mischief Night where you're from? Do you have any idea what I'm talking about when I say Mischief Night, by the way?

[C]

Not sound. It sounds like some weird Philly thing.

[D]

Yeah. Not a clue.

[B]

Yeah, but that's so funny. So Mischief Night or. And so I'd love. People should throw out whether or not they have it. So in some pair. In some areas of the country, it's called Mischief Night. In some areas of. This is like, it's total regional thing. In some areas it's called, I believe, Devil's Night.

[C]

That's in Michigan, I think. Michigan, right.

[B]

Apparently in most of the. Yeah, in Michigan. But apparently in most of the country it's not celebrated at all. This is the night before Halloween. And so when I was growing up, this was like every single October 30th. This is what you. I mean, not that I would ever partake in such a, you know, horrific and painful and obviously wrong ritual where you would go out and commit mischief. So, like, kids would go out and commit mischief. And it's like, it's very much like. I'm looking at the map right now. It's like New Jersey, Philadelphia, Delaware. And that's it where you go out and you commit mischief. TPing trees and houses, egging houses. I think in the New York area they do it as well a little bit. And then Devil's Night is a night for it in Michigan. And then some of the other parts of the country have just random names for it, but it's not quite as big. And the, you know, the, the apparently, you know, it's in the film the Crow. It's in the film the Crow. And. But apparently in the rest of the country, it's just like totally not a thing at all.

[D]

I have no.

[C]

I would. So, like, what kind of, what kind of mischief are we talking about here? Is this like, TP Ing People's houses. Is this like putting up Pittsburgh Steelers decals on their cars?

[E]

Is this putting.

[B]

I mean, doing that?

[C]

Ohio State is kind of.

[D]

What kind of mischief did the Posto brothers do?

[B]

I mean, the poster brothers have never done anything for Mischief Night other than sit out and defend our homes from those who might perform mischief on us. So I may have hidden in my tree a couple of times trying to catch people who are coming in on a few nights. No, but it's a huge thing in the Philly area. And people go around. You even get to the point where, like, people were. You know, they'd go out, like, taking baseball bats to mailboxes and stuff like that. And look, if you're going to do anything that's permanent damage, that's just. That's just completely bad form. You don't want to do bad, permanent bad damage to Mischief Night. But apparently this is the thought crime, because I did not realize that, you know, it growing up, it's so incredibly normalized rum from that. It's like, I don't. I don't know if people still, you know, do it as much. It's not quite as big. We know. We. Obviously, we live in the age of, like, ring cameras now, so I feel like that would probably put a little bit of a damper on it. But, you know, you run around, you go around with masks, you around with hoods. It's not exactly like. It's hard to defeat a ring camera, but I don't know if people are. If people are in the chat or sending in emails, let us know. Did you ever celebrate Mischief Night or Devil's Night? Do you think that's something that you would let your kids do? I don't know that I'd let my kids do it if. But if my kids went out, you know, I mean, they're. They're too young for it right now. If they went out to. To defend the household, I would certainly say that.

[D]

I know I'm from downtown Chicago, so I feel like every night is Mischief Night.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, that seems correct.

[D]

Yeah. So I don't know. I may be more used to it than you even, Jack.

[B]

Well, see, that's. That's the difference. But it's. It's Mischief Night, right? It's not like. It's not like wanton crime, we're gonna shoot up the town kind of night, supposedly. I'm just pulling this up. Apparently, it came from England in the 19th century and was originally linked to Mayday or Guy Fawkes night. Of course, November 5th, which is coming up when kids would play, pray, play pranks. And minor vandalism, which was once tolerated as part of the festival, and this was brought to North America. Throwing eggs or toilet paper, soaping windows, knocking over trash cans. Ding dong ditch, Moving porch furniture, writing on car windows with shaving cream. It's meant to be prankish, not destructive. Though in some places, like Detroit's infamous Devil's night, in the 70s to 90s, it escalated to serious vandalism and arson. Apparently in New England, they call it cabbage night.

[C]

What?

[B]

Which just sounds horrible.

[C]

That's really lame.

[B]

After the practice of throwing old cabbage. Wow, that's. That's pretty. You know, it's pretty wild up there for the New Englanders. You guys throwing out the old cabbage. And then upstate New York, they call it gate night. Oh, get ready for this. Because in upstate New York, they get really crazy. They unlatch the gates on farms, which actually, if you have, like, cows. That could be really bad.

[C]

That sounds like. It actually sounds really dangerous. People could hit those cows.

[B]

Yeah, they could be really bad.

[C]

You know, the bigger thing. The bigger thing about this is like, you know, we're wondering if people do these accessories to Halloween, but the real decay in America is people barely do Halloween anymore. So I'm going to give my public service announcement to everyone involved. Trunk or treat is not Halloween, period. Like, it is not real Halloween. If you just go to a bunch of people in a parking lot and get candy.

[A]

Like, I.

[D]

Wait, what did you call it?

[B]

Trunk or treat.

[D]

Trunk or treat.

[C]

Trunk or treat.

[B]

Yeah. No, we do trunk or treat, but. But we do.

[D]

Wait, what? I always thought it was trick or treat.

[C]

So it's trick or treat when you.

[B]

Realize it started during COVID Okay.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's. It predates Covid because it's not even a. Like a health thing. It's paranoid.

[E]

Really.

[B]

Like, it, like, really took off during COVID Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

And it's just gotten worse. In general. Everyone's paranoid. They all hate their neighbors. They don't trust anyone, so nobody does normal trick or treat. I can't remember the last time I've actually had trick or treaters come to a place I live because no one really does it anymore. It's actually very sad.

[B]

Or is it just because they know you live there?

[C]

Also possible. Also possible. But I'm usually pretty good at covering up my home address.

[D]

Yeah. Spent the last four years living on a college campus, so the only people coming to my house probably looking for alcohol. Not really candy, so not Used to that either.

[C]

But, yeah, I drink, too.

[B]

I'm reading. I'm reading the chat, by the way. I am seeing people saying they remember. They remember Mischief Night. I'm seeing people.

[C]

These days.

[B]

Kids do that every day. No shame. They'll throw knives instead of eggs. There's a guy right here. When I was a child, they would burn down Detroit for Devil's Night. Okay, that's obviously not what we're going. It's obviously not what we're going for.

[D]

Leave it to Detroit. But of course.

[B]

But no, it's. It's. Yeah, again, Detroit. Right. But no, seriously, Mischief Night, huge thing. It was always kind of a lot of fun. You would. You'd like, go to your. I don't know, sometimes it'd be your buddy's house, or sometimes it could be your. Your rival's house again. So I hear in Minecraft that. That this would be done to. To, you know, to kind of, like, get back at people, and then you would. And then you would bounce off from there.

[C]

Yeah, I'm just. Yeah, I. I'm really upset about this Trunk or Treat trend. And it actually. The funny thing is, it's not even just me being curmudgeonly. I think it actually is a real indicator of the decline.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no, I have heard of a.

[C]

And it's funny because people will say it's about safety, and yet Americans felt much more fine doing trick or treating when America was, you know, a less safe country. Like, most. Frankly, I'll be frank. Most of you live in a place where it would be perfectly safe for your children to go door to door, ringing doorbells, just period. Most of you live in a place where it's safe enough to do that, especially if everyone else is doing it and people just are not doing it. And that is a decline in the American spirit. It's a decline in American community. And we need to revive the Halloween tradition. I'm sorry. This is a matter of national security.

[D]

See, I didn't even know what Trunk or Treat was. Cause they still do it in downtown Chicago, as far as I know. Like, we did it my entire time.

[B]

No, Trunk or Treat is huge. Trunk or Treat is coming from a guy who has kids. We've probably done at least two. We've done two already this year. Blake. We've. We've done two trunk retreats already. I'm sorry.

[F]

Feels.

[B]

But. But we entirely plan to go trick or treating as well. So it's not like.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It's not like we're replacing it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

As long as you also trick or treat.

[C]

As long as you also trick or treat. Most, a pretty large share of people are only just, they're doing trunk or treat on Halloween or the night before or sometime around it. And that's it. That is the extent of their Halloween effort and it, it greatly upsets me.

[B]

No, that's absolute garbage. And it's, and it's, and by the way, it's totally cool because I see people in the chat, they're saying, you know, they're saying, well, what if you do it at your church for fellowship? That's great. That's totally fine. I love that. That's. We do that at our church. We do that at my kids school. We had one that was sort of like a local, just a local trunk or treatment. There's also one that we usually go to, we didn't make it to this year though at a drive in movie theater. And, and at the same time though we are going to be doing, we're going to be doing regular trick or treating as well. Now we do. Now here's the question though. This could be a thought crime and I know we have like a much longer Halloween discussion later, but is it, is it appropriate to go trick or treating outside of your neighborhood? What do you think about that?

[C]

Like, how far. When I was, when I was a kid, we would generally walk around our neighborhood, but we, my, our parents would have a car and we would sometimes drive a little ways away, but it would still probably count as our neighborhood. We weren't driving to the other side of Sioux Falls or anything like that. But I guess you're imagining like if you drove to the rich part of town where they'd give out like whole candy.

[B]

Yeah. Because that's the whole thing. Right. Like, like if you go to the, if you go to the part of town where they give out the full size candy bars and, and everybody knows where it is. Right.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I feel like it, it's probably not okay. It's probably not, it's probably not okay. If you're just doing that out of, you know, out of like trying to take, you know, candy from rich people. But, but if you're, I don't know, if you're invited to like a party that's in that area, then I don't think that would be as bad. Right.

[C]

I don't have a strong issue with it. I. Obviously you should probably be sent to the guillotine if you do the, like, if they leave out the bowl and you raid the entire bowl, which some people do.

[B]

No, that's horrifying.

[C]

That is demonic. And yeah, Chicago, I think you go to hell if you do that.

[D]

I don't. Chicago.

[B]

Tell it. Tell us about Chicago. What's Chicago Halloween like?

[D]

It's. I feel like it's pretty normal, at least how I thought we would trick or treat, just walk around. We never drove anywhere because everything's so close together in Chicago. But we would. I mean, growing up, we used to go to the rich neighborhoods that had like the king size bars, whatever, but then a certain group of people ruin that every year. So that. That stopped. But yeah, I mean, I felt like it was pretty normal in Chicago. So I never heard of this trunk or treat, any of that.

[C]

So when you say Chicago, where do you really mean in Chicago?

[D]

Lincoln Park. So actually in the city. So I'm not like a suburb, not from Chicago.

[C]

All right, I gotta look up where that is.

[D]

It's like the north part of the city. It's like three or four miles.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

They shall remain nameless. But a certain group of people ruined almost every Halloween.

[C]

That's unfortunate.

[B]

Constantly causing trouble.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

You know, we had.

[B]

You got to do something about the.

[C]

Our neighborhood had a few, like, memorable people. We had the guys who gave out full candy bars, of course, but the one I remember, we had a house, maybe it'd be the equivalent of about, maybe two or three blocks away from where I live. But, you know, kind of you get these circuitous roads in Sioux Falls. But this guy, he had made a bunch of money, I think, during the original 1.0.com boom in the late 90s. And he had an absolutely monstrous set of lights for every holiday. Like, would fully decorate the house and lawn. I think he had to pay someone to do it because it was such a. He had a whole separate unit for storing all of his lights. And he would do this for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Valentine's Day. I believe he even did it for St. Patrick's Day. There was a good Fourth of July, of course, I think a good six to eight holidays a year. He fully decked out everything. And so for Halloween, of course, he had a very legendary setup. And I believe he was a full candy bar giver, outer person. So there. I think there'd be a line at his.

[B]

Pretty cool.

[D]

I never understood why people spend so much or go so crazy decorating for Halloween.

[C]

No, but no, you see, out of.

[D]

All, like, out of all holidays, I feel like Halloween should be lower on the totem pole.

[B]

It's just some people we're having that debate when Andrew gets here.

[C]

You know, we should. We should. We should be in favor of that. This is actually a powerfully ancient thing. It is a good thing when private citizens feel the drive to, like, create goods for everyone to consume. And a very mild form of that is making your house look really cool for everyone, like, who visits it or walks by it or goes up to it. It is a powerful public good when people want their houses to look really sweet. And that's awesome. We should encourage it. I. I am throwing those nuts on Christmas lights, everything like that.

[B]

We've got a. We've got a house on our block where they've got lights up that are up like 365 days a year. And so what they do with their lights, it's kind of interesting. They. They have, like. I guess it's programmable because they can change colors. And what they'll do is depending on. It's kind of like what you were just saying about your. Your neighbor. But what they'll do is it's always the same set of lights, but then they can just change the color scheme for whatever the holiday is. So if it's St. Patrick's Day, they could turn it all green. If it's. If it thinks. If it's Halloween, they can make it. I think right now it's like orange and purple. So it's. It's actually kind of nice. Like, you only have to decorate once, and then they just stay up.

[C]

Jack, we've got a. We got a dono message from big man. S17. Is that season 17, like the Simpsons or something? Oh, that would only be. That would be halfway through the Simpsons. They've been on a long time. He says. I've seen some people say that it is demonic for a kid to put on a Hulk costume because it is putting on a new identity. Laugh emoji. I think a facepalm emoji and a dude emoji. I like that combo of emojis and. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, though. It's like, it's not a new identity for the Hulk. He still is Bruce Banner. He just is really angry.

[B]

Unless you're doing the she Hulk. Because that TV show was awful and she was like this woke girl, but they made she Hulk like a lawyer.

[C]

I think she's a lawyer even in. I think she's a lawyer in the original comics. Not that I would read comics, because not a person.

[D]

She Hulk bad. That I don't even know like, any of this.

[C]

Do you do you know who the Hulk is?

[D]

I know who the Hulk is. I don't know, really.

[C]

Name 15 Hulk villains.

[D]

No idea.

[C]

Red Hulk, Red Hulk, Abomination. He's just Hulk.

[B]

Wolverine, like uglier.

[D]

Interesting. Yeah. Was never into this growing up. No.

[B]

Wolverine's original appearance was as an enemy to Hulk.

[D]

Blake. I just stick to Ohio State football where they win every game. Basically.

[C]

I bet a lot of Ohio State fans kind of look like the Hulk except like more other. I guess they look more like the Blob from X Men.

[G]

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[A]

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[B]

In addition to Halloween coming up, we also have daylight savings time this weekend. But although actually we're turning off daylight savings time, so we're currently in daylight savings time right now we're going to be turning that off and for only four months of the year now we are going back to natural time, to God's time time.

[C]

God's time.

[B]

And that time, for some reason we decided to play God for eight months of the year. And so Blake, you know, we've talked about this a number of times on the show and I think we actually have a clip of Charlie talking about it. Let's play clip 300.

[A]

I'm not a fan of daylight savings time. Falling back, springing forward should just remain the same time throughout the entire year. In fact, we should spring forward even more so that the fall, it's the opposite. I never understood that. In the most depressing time of weather, we also made it darker intentionally. Who thought of this thing? Makes zero sense. Now, I know you're gonna say it's Benjamin Franklin and all this. No way. He was too smart for this. I think it's a Nikole Hannah Jones conspiracy against Benjamin Franklin. There's no way.

[C]

I'm not sure where he's going with that because he would appreciate. Charlie would appreciate. The real people who came up with daylight savings time are basically evil. Like, like Woodrow Wilson and, you know, centralized government cabal. I think it came out during World War I. And then FDR brought it back from his evil scheme to like, it was one of his like, big government New deal ideas. They thought it would stimulate the economy. I'm not making this up. They thought it would stimulate the economy if there was more light later because people would shop more. That was the reasoning. And people come up with these weird things where they say it's because of farmers. And all I would say is, have you ever met a farmer? Does the cow need to be milked? Does the cow follow daylight savings time when you milk it? Does the corn follow daylight savings time? No, no, they follow this thing that God gave us called the sun. So if you're a farmer, you get up when the sun comes up.

[D]

Why are we making it, though darker earlier in the morning? Daylight saving time seems so much better, especially if you're from the Midwest where.

[C]

It gets dark at 4pm God made it so that the noonday sun is directly over our heads. And man in his arrogance tries to move it later. And that is, you know, we will be held accountable.

[D]

I think it's just you've never experienced.

[B]

Chicago, February then, and Andrew's here. But I think the problem with this was when they tried, because they tried to do daily savings year round ones and they said, we're stopped changing it. We'll keep it daily savings year round. And then the problem was in some parts, particularly the northern parts of the country, it wasn't getting. The sun wasn't coming up until like 8:39am like, well beyond the time that like, kids had to go to school and people had to go to work. And it was just horrible. It's just absolutely horrible. And so the, the goal is to try to get it so that sunrise is generally around the same nominal time every day. And so this is also why Andrew Huberman so The great Huberman. We know Charlie's a huge fan of his. Was always and has maintained that he is in favor of getting rid of daylight savings time completely because it is healthier for you to have light. Earlier he said this actually is better for your circadian rhythms. This is better for you naturally. It is obviously what God ordained. And we are the ones who are. Who try to play God by shifting our time to move with the seasons rather than actually just use the seasons as they were given.

[D]

But then it's like pitch black dark when you're coming home from school. So I never understood that argument because, yes, it's light going there, but then on the way back it's dark out. So one of them's gonna be dark anyway.

[B]

What would you stay in school?

[D]

Dude, we would get back at like 4:15 from the bus.

[C]

Yeah, real quick. Before we go to Andrew here, big man gave us another $5 donation. He says, my name is Cade, but Rumble won't let me change my name. God bless Charlie. God bless you guys. Thank you for doing this show, my brothers. Thank you, Cade. Thank you very much. Andrew, are you in favor of the, of the cabal that defies the sun?

[E]

You know, because you guys used to always gang up on Charlie, I would just sort of pick his side in this because I will say I hate when we fall back. When, when you fall back, it's very aggressive. However, I thought about this a long time and I understand Huberman's argument. And I actually have started to do exactly what Jack is saying when in the early morning, I'll actually seek out sunlight to help me wake up because I have to now show and stuff. Well, I heard that it was really good for you, so I started doing it. And it does tend to perk you up. And so I, my, my thinking has evolved on this. I think I would love to give it a shot to try standard time all the year, all year long. Because I realized if we did that, then you wouldn't have that abrupt fallback, which is the part that everybody hates. Everybody hates when it gets dark at like 4 o' clock in the afternoon. That's what everybody hates. But if you were. It's like the frog boiling in a, you know, a pot of boiling water slowly, right? You, you, you slowly gradually get to it. So you won't hate it as much now if you. It's the abruptness of it.

[C]

Schagenauer says, keep God's time year round. Amen.

[E]

So I do it.

[C]

In our arrogance. In this secular age, we have Revolted against God's ordained time for humanity. And I don't think God likes to be mocked. I think we can list off.

[B]

God will not be mocked.

[C]

The men who built the Tower of Babel, the. The city of Sodom, the city of Gomorrah. Like, what if Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were doing daylight savings time? I think this has to be explored.

[B]

Well, why were they destroyed, Blake?

[C]

I mean, it might be what I just said, Jack, or do you want to be more.

[E]

Do you want to be more specific?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Like, that's what happens. The angels visited lot and then the men assembled outside, and they said, send those men out here because we want to check their watches and see what time it is and move it an hour forward. That is what they would have been.

[B]

It would have been sundial wrist dials at the time, because wrist sundials.

[C]

Man just. I can't believe these evil things. Oh, Jack, do you want to interrogate Andrew on one of your Halloween thought crime.

[B]

Oh, I do, actually.

[E]

By the way, I just wanted to say I'm sorry I'm late. Complicated business. He's not sorry. Yeah, we had. We're doing a whole thing here today, and actually, Jesse Waters, I tweeted about it, is doing his show live from Turning Point hq. So I had to go do that. It was an honor. I didn't have to. I got to. But anyways. Go ahead, Jack.

[B]

So here's my question. So I was asking, do you know what holiday tonight is?

[E]

It's not All Saints. It's not. Hold on. All Saints comes after, doesn't it?

[B]

It's the All Saints comes after. So what is the night before Halloween.

[E]

Shoot, I forgot.

[B]

And like, when you were growing up, when you were growing up, did you have anything tonight? Did you call it anything tonight?

[E]

No, we didn't. Although we are.

[D]

We.

[E]

I did. I'm a cradle Catholic, so we probably should have, but I don't think my. My family was.

[B]

No, it's not. It's not a Catholic thing.

[E]

Okay. I figured it was because, you know, you're into that sort of.

[B]

No, it's not.

[E]

No. I don't know what's the answer?

[B]

So. No. So when I was growing up in. Apparently, this is like a Philadelphia cultural thing.

[E]

This is. This is like the Texas massacre. It's like the Juneteenth.

[B]

It's not Juneteenth.

[E]

No, I just said it's a holiday. It's. By the way, can we just all acknowledge that Juneteenth was like Charlie's least favorite holiday because it's not a real holiday, but. Yeah. What was your Philadelphia Tasty Cakes version of Halloween the night before?

[B]

No, it's. No, it's not Halloween. It's the night before Halloween. We said it earlier before you got here, but we called it Mischief Night. And so this, this was a night that like, kids would go out and perform mischief and like pranks and stuff like in the town, like to, you know, people you knew or whatever. And apparently we were just looking up. Apparently it comes from like England and the. In the 19th century. And so it's called Mischief Night. And I pulled this map up where it's. It's like new. It's like a little bit of New York, but then New Jersey, Philadelphia, Delaware and then Michigan. It's called Devil's Night. But apparently the rest of the country has like nothing tonight for me, terrible state. Like for me it's like October 30th is like, this is the night you got to be on guard because if you get caught lacking on Mischief Night, like you're gonna be in trouble. You're in big trouble.

[E]

Mischief. That just sounds like, like a left wing state would get into that. I would say, wait, now if it came from England, that makes sense why it would be in New England mostly. I don't understand the Michigan tie in.

[B]

Well, apparently in New England they call it Cabbage Night, which is just awful.

[E]

Well, that. The whole acelic corridor, you know what I mean?

[B]

There's like a whole throwing cabbage thing out thing. But it's. No, it's just, it was. It was always a lot of. So I hear it was a lot of fun for the people who would do it. Not that. Not that myself or my brother would ever be caught doing such a thing as this.

[E]

You are not. You are not hooligans in the slightest. Actually, I do want to. No, no, just really quick. Here we go. Who in our audience, two questions. Freedom CharlieKirk.com. freedom CharlieKirk.com I want to know two things. I want to know one, who's ever heard of this Mischief Night or Cabbage Night stuff? Secondly, I want to know if you want to keep daylight savings time or if you want to try standard time all year long. Those are the two questions. Send us your emails. Freedom Charlie Kirk dot com. Freedom Charlie Kirk dot com. I actually want to know the daylight.

[C]

I have just absolutely never heard of Cabbage Night.

[E]

No, nobody's ever heard of that.

[D]

What Jack's not telling you too is he used to hide in trees and terrorize all the kids in the neighborhood, apparently.

[B]

I did not terrorize the kids. I was defending the home.

[E]

Were you an actual kid when you did this, or was. No, this was last year on Creepy Adult Aged.

[D]

This was last year.

[B]

Probably after I crossed into, like, the teenage high school years.

[E]

Oh, buddy. Well, we won't judge you. We won't judge you.

[D]

Maybe a little bit.

[E]

Maybe a little bit.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, so we're getting it in. No, and it's been. By the way, there's. There's a. There's a whole movie about this. You can go watch Mischief Night. I think there's, like, two movies about it. And it's. It's famously in the crow. It's. If you watch the movie the crow from the 90s, it's. It's in there.

[E]

Isn't that the one where. Isn't the crow where the dude got killed on set or Brandon got shot by the prop. By the prop gun? It was like a. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's like that. And it, like, actually bothers me.

[B]

They Alec Baldwin doom.

[E]

Yeah. Wait, I want to get to this. Gavin doubles down. I don't want to rush us, but I really do want to get to it.

[B]

If you want to hit the Gavin, we hit the Gavin. Because then we were going to have, like, an actual Halloween debate.

[E]

Oh, we were?

[C]

Yeah. What's the debate now?

[B]

Yeah. Well, so the debate is. And I'm. And I'm seeing it in the chat already. If you want to. If we want to go to that, we can go to that. Where there are people who are saying that you. That you should not celebrate Halloween because it is demonic. And there. And I get this every single year. People will say, paso B. How can you do this? How can you. How can you celebrate the devil's night? How could you allow your children to do such a thing? It's so horrible. It's disgusting, it's demonic, etcetera, etcetera. And I see it in the chat every single time I talk about Halloween, you know, at least since I've been like, you know, you know, had a public profile or whatever, that I get this every single year. And every single year I've been fighting from the pro Halloween perspective that by explaining the true history of Halloween as a Christian holiday.

[C]

Yeah, I kind of take the. I kind of take the Chesterton line about it where he says, like, fairy tales are good, not because they say dragons are real, but because they say dragons can be beaten. And yeah, it's Kind of like that with Halloween. I think what I'd say is this actually is a funny one. I actually kind of greatly dislike horror movies that are really bleak, where, like, the demons just win at the end.

[B]

Think, like, the ones.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Or these new ones. There's been some recent ones. Like, I think Hereditary has a completely bleak ending, and that was a really popular one.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But, like, I would say if you make a horror movie where, you know, in the end, righteousness triumphs and, you know, the demons are defeated, I think that's the proper way to approach Halloween. You can say the demons are scary. They do many evil things, but in the end, righteousness and, you know, the power of God and so forth can defeat them. And then I see. I feel like that is a morally vindicating thing for us to promote.

[E]

Well, I think of it as, like, you know, it's not Chesterton, but C.S. lewis and Tolkien wrote fantasy and they wrote. You know, they were. Obviously, we're not afraid of things. And I remember when I first became a Christian, I was. I think we're. You know, listen, it's not exactly CS Lewis, but I remember we were. It's like, I was in college and we went to see some movie. I actually. I want to say it was Harry Potter, but I'm not. Can't really remember. But it was like, something like that, Right. And I remember you want to talk.

[B]

Demonic, let's talk about Harry Potter.

[E]

Yeah, so. So no, fair enough. But I got this talking to from the guy I was going with. His mom was like, your lives are so blessed.

[C]

Don't.

[E]

Don't subject yourself to this darkness and all this stuff. And I remember kind of being, like, caught off guard because that's not the way I grew up. My parents, like, never talk like that. And all of a sudden, I was, you know, had this buddy's mom who was freaking out on us, and I was like, well, no, it's just like, you know, it's a movie now. I would say that I sort of see things in the middle now. I do think you can open yourself up to darkness and dark spirits, and you can. You can entertain dark spirits in a way that is unhealthy. I actually really believe that. I actually believe if we're gonna get into it, like, I. Some of these ayahuasca, you know, their pharmacia is the word for sorcery, you know, in the Bible. And here's what's interesting about that, is that, you know, drugs can cause hallucinations. It can open Up I think spiritual pathways to darkness. I do also think if you become too interested or intrigued by dark and demonic ideas and things, you can open yourself up to this stuff. That being said, I like kind of where your head was at. I think it's actually can be really good for young minds to think about fantasy and fairytale and even dark fairy tales. If you look at like a lot of the old Disney films, for example like Snow White is so dark. I was watching that with my kids and I figured anything before 1970 maybe is gonna be okay. So I start watching this and I was. I couldn't believe how dark these things were. Like the witches are scary, you know, the stakes are real. It's not just kind of fluffy feel good stuff. And there is kind of a repeat theme in a lot of this. If you go to even the Cinderella. Cinderella is really dark man. The stepmom is extraordinarily scary and really pretty vicious. So anyways, I would just say there was a way that we did fairy tales, dark things back in the day that actually probably helped young people's minds understand that there is good and evil, there is darkness and light. There are truly wretched figures and creatures and things and you need to fight them and you need to win. You ultimately need to win. And so I. But you know, on another much more lighter note, you know I trick or treat with my kids because they like dressing up like princesses and ninjas and getting candy. I mean for me it's that simple. What we do, we go in big groups, lots of, lots of friends, lots of other kids dressed up in fun, light hearted costumes and then we kind of get them out of there before things get really weird.

[C]

We would be going astray if we did not open the way for the opinion of our co host who is out tonight. Let's play. Let's clip play clip 295 for Charlie's view on Halloween.

[A]

Halloween is coming up which is all saints day. But let's just be honest, Halloween is a dark, dark day. Not a fan of it. It's what you do with it. Not a fan of all the kind of dressing up and all that nonsense. I don't like it. And if you are a Christian you must be. And by the way, if you're also a Jew because this is a Old Testament law, you must not engage in any of these practices of the occult. I find that there is far too much kind of joking around and playing loose and fast with this stuff. There is legit darkness that can be channeled and put in. And by the way, this again, this is an Old Testament law. So this goes for both Jews and Christians. When you enter the land of God, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there, kid.

[C]

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live 100%.

[E]

I, I think I probably texted him in the middle of that going like, oh, come on, Charlie. What about my kids dressing up like princesses and ninjas? And he was, he said no, I could pretty much guarantee that was about.

[B]

Yeah, Charlie, Charlie was a, Charlie was a well known Halloween hater. You can find, find all sorts of tweets from Charlie that are still up. Hating on Halloween, hating on the practices. I think even beyond the biblical. I think he just hated it in general and pretty much everything about it. And you know, they call it a thought crime. But no, I disagree with Charlie. I could disagree completely on the history and what I agree with on hating it, but what I agree with is that there are some people who do use, unfortunately, the Christian holiday of Halloween, All Hallows Eve, to celebrate the occult, to take part in occult practices which I completely, as anyone knows who's followed me for like, I don't know, five seconds, they'll know that, like, you know, I'm very, very anti occult to like, to the point where, like, if you come visit our home, you know, we've got, we've got holy water all over the place, we've got icons up, we've got statuettes, we've got the, the trifolds, we've got crucifixes, you know, we've got crucifixes, by the way, not just in the family room, but in every single one of the bedrooms. So we're very, very extremely anti occult in the Poso household. But. And you know, just because the occult uses a Christian holiday to try to pervert that Christian holiday and invert the Christian holiday to occlude, right, the truth of the holiday, which of course has always been meant to celebrate the martyrs and as a remembrance of mortality, as a remembrance of the dead, as a remembrance of evil, to mock evil, then you are. So there's a right way and a wrong way to do Halloween. That's basically what I'm saying. I think there's a right way and a wrong way.

[C]

We've got a few takes from people. I want to highlight Thomas Glosser who emailed us at freedomarliekirk. He said, year round standard time. Yes, it's our natural body clock. We should respect that. Mischief night no, not a thing. Where I grew up in Northern Indiana. And then he said, trunk or treat.

[D]

Gay it is. I've never even heard of it. Never heard of it before.

[E]

Whatever Danny says I take is gospel.

[B]

Wait, Andrew, do you. Do you ever do drunk or treats with your kids?

[E]

No. I don't even know what that is.

[D]

Thank you.

[E]

Wow. Okay. All right. But you gotta understand, I'm, like, from this half of the country and you're from that, and it's like, we are legit. No, this is the east and west of the Mississippi is like two different things.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like it's kind of becoming a national thing.

[C]

We got another dono from. Let me make sure I remember his name correctly. We got it from Kade. Kade sent us another one. $5. Thank you, Cade. Again, thank you. He says. Okay, last super chat, you guys. Your guys's takes are spot on. I couldn't agree more. Thank you again, Kade. I do love being correct.

[E]

We got an email from Charmin. Says, keep God's time year round Standard time. Side note, there needs to be a Blake Neff costume with the Macy's blazer.

[C]

I am probably Macy's, like, most prominent advertisement at this point.

[E]

Who wears. Who, like, wears Macy's stuff and actually admits to it? Yeah. Stephen A. Smith.

[B]

Stephen A. Smith, Right.

[E]

Why is it, like, echoed? I don't understand that.

[C]

I thought that was me.

[E]

Mischief Knife.

[B]

This is from when Blake was gone.

[E]

This is from Cookie Monster or something. Hi, guys. Loving thought crime. My mom, who grew up outside Philly, lands down, told us about Mischief Night. Told us about Mischief Night. Growing up in Tioga county, middle of nowhere, we did not have Mischief Night. We trick or treated through the whole town. Daylight savings time is good. Okay, so she's hitting both. But falling back to standard time is good, too. I do not want to drive to and from work in the dark. I need some sunshine during my day. There are no windows in the vault in which I work. People need sunshine. So the question is, when do they get most of the sunshine? That's the question.

[B]

Well, and this is why. This is why we have the daylight savings regime that we do now where it's four months. The four winter months are the natural time, and the rest of the year is daylight savings.

[E]

Because here's what I'm gonna miss.

[B]

This argument comes up every time we bring it up.

[E]

Well, we tried to get rid of it right in the 70s. Then we reverted back to what we have. So here's what I would miss, Jack, you and God's time. I know we're bouncing back and forth here, but these are the emails. What I would miss is those late summer nights out on the back patio with my wife and my kids running around the yard. And it's just so beautiful. It really is. It's amazing. So I would miss that. And it's like I get darker earlier. It bums me out.

[D]

You know, Arizona gets dark at 7:30.

[B]

Great.

[C]

I love it.

[D]

No, it's terrible.

[C]

What if. Okay, one thing is everyone agrees that stinks when we lose the hour.

[B]

So what if we compromise? We say daylight savings only during the summer.

[E]

You mean like make that four months, like three months. Because now we have like the like.

[B]

Like, like no Memorial Day to Labor Day.

[E]

No, but it's right. Right now it's four months of standard time. Right. So you're basically saying let's. If we're going to, if we're going to go back and forth, let's go four months of daylight stand daylight savings time.

[C]

What if. I have an idea.

[E]

In the summer. I'm not.

[C]

People hate losing the hour in the spring, but they're okay with gaining the extra hour of sleep mostly in the fall.

[E]

I'm the. I hate.

[C]

No, you hate. You hate that. You hate having less daylight. But people generally like losing.

[E]

They like the fallback for the specific night.

[C]

So what if we only twice a year we just kept falling back. We fell back like two hours a.

[E]

Year and we just did it and.

[C]

We just had a kind of permanent cycle, you know?

[E]

You know, it's crazy. You might know the actual sink of.

[B]

Time and the sun.

[E]

Well, so. So by the way. So there was. I'm going to get all my, my terms mixed up here, but there was essentially a calendar that they had where we kept losing years over like the millennia. Right. Was it the Roman, the Julian calendar. And then all of a sudden like 1509 or something. So whatever this exact year is, we just skipped a bunch of years to kind of like catch the calendar days.

[C]

Because it. Julian calendar.

[E]

That's just right.

[C]

It used to be the Roman calendar used to get so bad every few years they would just have to add a bonus like month to things to fix it. And then Julius Caesar figured it out and, and he got what was almost our modern calendar.

[E]

Almost.

[C]

But it drifted by about one day every four years. No, every about like they had the leap year, they added that. They added, but it still drifted about a day every like 100 or 150 years or so. And then when they got the Gregorian calendar named after a Pope, Catholic, Pope. They fixed it. They figured out they were losing an extra like a quarter of a little bit of a day each year.

[E]

I can't remember.

[C]

And then in the 1500s, they adapted to it and you had to jump ahead about two weeks to fix things.

[E]

That's why you just, you skipped a bunch of days, which is really wild actually, if you think about it, to get it back to where it should have been. Imagine like the calendar over the millennia. Just like all of a sudden it was like, you know, you'd expect 80 degree weather, you know, in the very end of September. And all of a sudden, as the years went on, it got really, really cold at the end of September. You know, it's just a weird historical fact that a lot of people don't know that they just led to all.

[C]

Sorts of wild stuff. Like a famous incident was the Russian Empire kept the Julian calendar very late.

[B]

That's actually just going to mention this.

[C]

The October Revolution. Red October happened in November.

[B]

Everywhere else in November still. And the French, Russia and the French. The, the. Sorry, the February Revolution happens in March.

[C]

Exactly. And similarly, this also happened during the wars against Napoleon, or I think it was one of those wars. There's a war where Russia is like marching their army to meet with some ally of theirs and they mess it up because they get the calendars off and they show up two weeks later than everyone was expecting them to because they didn't communicate.

[E]

You're basically suggesting that we should adopt this same sort of approach to our time.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

Okay, that's good. It's going to really screw up our.

[C]

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[E]

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[C]

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[E]

Sure. He is right.

[C]

Pick one and stick with it. I agree. That's actually a real thing because the switches. This isn't just.

[E]

That's why I hate casual hate, hate.

[C]

People die every year. A few people die because there's more car crashes. There's also more like heart attacks. Did you know that?

[E]

Yeah, I did. Actually.

[C]

The slight increase in stress from less sleep tips a few people over the edge of strokes or heart attacks.

[E]

I remember this because when Charlie put that tweet out and it was like Sager, like, was like, I will fight you. And then everybody started like coming up with all these random factoids. And I remember that factoid. It's actually really true. People have more heart attacks, there's more car crashes. There's a bunch of stuff that goes wrong because of the switching. Think that's my whole take is like, I just don't want to switch anymore. I hate losing the sleep in the spring and I hate losing the sunlight in the fall.

[C]

I hate all the people who are saying that they oppose Halloween because of, you know, the demons and all of that. I hope they also agree that they. I hope they also oppose daylight Savings time because they do not want to be in rebellion against, against God's time.

[B]

God's or being time.

[E]

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[C]

Okay, he wants to talk about Gavin.

[B]

Let me respond to the pagan thing. Let me respond to the pagan thing. Since we brought it up and I have, I have to do it at least once a year. So I'm doing it tonight, right? And I've been, I've been saving this, right? So a lot of people love to do this pop history, you know. You know, Facebook meme thing to say. Well, actually, you know, according to Facebook and Reddit, Halloween originates from a pagan holiday that took place in Ireland and Scotland a long, long time ago. And the Christians came and overtook that holiday and incorporated a lot of things from it. So it's actually a pagan holiday when it started. And that's why you shouldn't, you shouldn't, you shouldn't Go with it. Yeah, this is actually a lot of really bad history that came up from the 19th century. It's not even a historic view whatsoever. Halloween goes back. And the date of Halloween vix back, by the way, to another Gregory, another Pope Gregory, all the way back, believe it or not, 1300 years ago, 735 A.D. that's how old Halloween and how long Halloween has been Christian. Because it was all about celebrating the martyrs. Because in the early church, every time someone was killed for the faith, when someone became a martyr, that they would get a feast day. And typically it would be fixed to the date of their martyrdom. And unfortunately, the issue was in the days of the early church, there were so many martyrs that the days of the entire calendar would be just filled. Every single day would be a feast day. That's how horrific it was and how persecuted Christians are, you know, were. And obviously are still being more and more persecuted Nigeria. And so. And so what they did. What they did is they came in and said, all right, well, we're going to have one day, One day for all the martyrs. And all the martyrs, of course, were saints. So that'll be All Saints Day. And All Saints Day was fixed to be November 1st by Pope Gregory III in 735 A.D. and so when people try to link this history of Samhain and Ireland, it's really interesting because, Blake, you know, can I get a double check? Cause, Mr. You know, Mr. Roman Empire. Was there much connective tissue between, like, Ireland and Rome in 735 A.D. you.

[C]

Know, I can't think of much because Rome had, like, fallen.

[E]

And what was. I missed. The earpiece went out for a second. What was the question, Jack? Is there much connection?

[B]

So people claim that. People claim that that date was chosen because of this Irish festival that took place on November 1st. But it's like. Like there was no communication between Ireland and Rome in 735.

[C]

There was a bit. There was a bit. Because St. Patrick, a great Christian saint.

[E]

Yeah, I was gonna say he had.

[C]

Christianized Ireland, and Ireland was the place to go to learn Latin.

[B]

Right.

[C]

In the dark.

[D]

People.

[E]

People don't appreciate, though, that. Hold on. All those dark ages, like priests and bishops, they were. They would make pilgrimages back to Rome like it was very common. A lot of kings.

[B]

What I'm saying is. What I'm saying is there's no actual evidence whatsoever that it was chosen because of an Irish festival. There's no. There's no scholarly writing about this. There's no any. There's no. There isn't even any evidence that's. Maybe this was a pagan festival.

[E]

Well, there might not be any writing on it, but. There might not be any writing on it. But Blake would know this better than I. But there was actually a massive schism between. It was. I think it was like the Irish and the Picts and things like this that kept Easter on a certain day versus the English.

[C]

Oh, that's way too in the weeds.

[E]

No, but I mean, I'm just saying these used to cause, like, massive schisms within the Christian community about which date you.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know this. Specifics on that.

[D]

I don't.

[C]

I don't know if the loyal thought cram audience wants to hear about the Computus.

[E]

Let's. Let's talk about Gavin.

[C]

All right, we're gonna do.

[B]

That's Charlie. My point, we're gonna need. And the point is this. Whenever someone. And I'm just gonna keep saying this all the way through. There is no evidence whatsoever that All Hallows Eve, the date of, or the All Hallows Day, All Saints Day, was based on, derived from, or chosen because of this Irish festival. There never was. It was a guess that was made by a bunch of really bad comparative theologians and basically atheists and secularists in the 19th century because they were trying to use bad history to undermine church traditions. All Saints Day was always known in the night before, was known as a practice of souling, where people would go, they would pray for the souls of the faithful departed. They would go and knock on doors, cakes would be exchanged called soul cakes, which were later exchange for treats. There were people who would dress up in costumes called guising and mummers and mummery, which is also something that was done on Christmas. And so all of these actual. All of these actual traditions and all these practices actually date back to Christianity. So I'm just going to stick on this. That's the history. There is a right way and a wrong way. And if anyone's telling you that. That Halloween was originally pagan, they're just wrong. They're just flat wrong.

[C]

And a final warning, when people go too hard on Halloween, if they get rid of Halloween, just remember the Puritans got rid of Christmas too.

[B]

Exactly. And Christmas will be next.

[C]

Well, that'll be a topic for when we get to Christmas.

[D]

I think Jack just. Halloween, he uses the one time a year where he can just beat on people from hiding in a tree. So that's why I think Jack likes Halloween. But.

[C]

All right, we need to indulge Andrew here. We've got to get to the Gavin topic.

[E]

I was in the room.

[C]

The.

[E]

Right.

[C]

He's.

[E]

So here's why.

[C]

He's Gavining really hard. We. We got to set him up. So you were in the room. You were in the room. So are you when this clip happened. And so let US play clip 102.

[A]

So, like, you right now should come out and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that's. That. That shouldn't happen. You, as the governor, should step out.

[F]

And say, no, no. And I appreciate.

[A]

But, like, would you do something like that? Would you say no? Men in female sports.

[F]

Well, it's. I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that.

[C]

That.

[F]

So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and grace, you know, that. That these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed?

[E]

So.

[C]

So he did that, and then. And then he suddenly he's. So that was quite a backlash.

[E]

That was a huge story.

[C]

People. Yeah, they flipped out about it. They flipped out about it, but now he's. He's. There was a lot of pressure on him to back off, but now it seems like he is doubling down.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Correct. So let's play. Actually, haven't seen this yet. Let's play clip 298.

[E]

I saw it, but when it comes.

[F]

To sports that's impacting other people's rights, it's different. And I say this with a trans godson. I have only one godson who's trans. And so I disagree with all the vitriol, but I agree on the issue of fairness in that respect, that it is unfair in these circumstances. And I haven't been able to reconcile it. Good people can. But it was an experience for me, born over the actual application and responsibility as governor to try to figure this out. And I couldn't. And maybe other people can, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

[E]

Okay, so, okay, here's what's actually happening with this clip. Gavin Newsom wants to be president. We all know that. How's he gonna differentiate himself in this crowded field full of a bunch of crazy people? Right? You got aoc. You got JB Pritzker, whose own sister. If you. I or brother. It's a brother, actually. Right.

[D]

Who knows?

[E]

I forget which way they're going. It's got a brother or sister that is trans. Okay. You've got. You know, people are talking about Wes Moore. You got all these people. You got to stand out from. From the crowd somehow. Gavin Newsom made the quick calculation, said, I already was on the record doing this. I already ripped the band aid. It's an 8020 issue. It makes sense that it. Because what would look worse than sticking to his guns here? What would look worse is going back with, like, ah, you know that thing I did with Charlie Kirk. Cause I don't really believe it anymore. So he made the quick decision and said, I'm gonna stick on the winning side of an issue that's unpopular with my activist base, but I'm gonna be far left on just about everything else but this one. I'm gonna speak some sense. And because he's doing this to stand out, I mean, it's very, very, very, very simple. We were in the room when this happened. I looked at his political team, and I was like, you. You do realize what just happened? You do realize what just happened?

[C]

He realized what was going to happen weeks before.

[E]

I know, right? No, but here's what I will say. I don't think they realized the extent that that remained the. One of the top news stories in the country for approximately six weeks. Yeah, it was. I mean, in today's news cycle, that moment, like, lived in eternity.

[D]

I had.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

I had friends from a. At Ohio State, like, texting, calling me about it. Even the number one thing.

[C]

Yeah. Now, the funny thing is, is this the. Is this the reason he has to double back? He's doubling down on this, so he has to reverse on the other thing. He said, yes. In that interview. This also happened.

[E]

This upset me so much. I meant to, like, like, at him, tweet at him, and, like, tag him. And I just kind of got busy today because it's been crazy. But so. So we were in the room, and Gavin not only said this during the interview, he said it after. He said it before. I'm not kidding. This is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen. So this is. Let's play the clip. 207. This is from the podcast where Charlie sat down with Gavin Newsom and he brags, ah, my son's a big fan. 207.

[F]

Last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, Dad, I just. What time? What time's Charlie gonna be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no, this morning. Wakes up at 6 up. Then he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house.

[A]

Did you let him take off school?

[C]

No, he did.

[F]

Of course not. He's not here for a good reason.

[A]

But the point is, I canceled school for like two years. Once.

[G]

One year.

[B]

The point is.

[F]

The point. Which is you are making a damn dentist.

[A]

Thank you.

[E]

I'm kidding. And he just couldn't stick with that. Now, here's what I'll say. Gavin admitting that probably caused a lot of backlash, maybe even for his son. And he was trying to kind of backtrack or whatever. I'm telling you, it's garbage. Cuz he said it multiple times at multiple instances when we were in the room. 206.

[B]

That's your son, obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk. What was the conversation like between you and your son after Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

[A]

He called me.

[F]

I don't know how he got a phone, but he called me from school, school that day, really alarmed, and all his friends were around the phone that wanted me to somehow express or understand what was going on. He wanted to know if he was dead. He wasn't a fan of him as much as he was familiar with him.

[C]

Okay, familiar with him.

[E]

You know, this may seem like a.

[C]

Petty thing I would want to skip school for people I was familiar with all the time.

[E]

Dude, I wouldn't want to wake up like an hour earlier jumping with my clothes on, ready, like, get into the studio. No, this is. This might seem like a little thing, like a petty thing. Like, this is just personal to me because I was close to Charlie. No, this guy wants to be president, and he's willing to just kind of like slimy, slippery out of like a very basic, not a controversial truth. He'd already, like, told the world Charlie was that his son was a big fan of Charlie, and he's willing to just kind of do one of his little slippery lizard, you know, moves out of this like he's rubbing himself with Vaseline just to get out of a headlock. And I'm telling you, this is like the worst part about Gavin Newsom is that the guy lies with no shame. There is no shame. And he doesn't. He thinks he's gonna get away with it. That is a serial liar. You can see it right there.

[D]

Charlie always said he could pass a lie detector test, no problem.

[E]

No, no, absolutely. It's a serial liar who would do that. And it's also somebody that, you know, cheated on his wife. It's somebody that has learned how to lie with basic ease. And that is a scary, scary thing. At the prospect that this guy could run to be the most powerful man in the world. It's a very scary thing, and I don't want people to miss it, because I'm here to tell you. Blake's here to tell you it wasn't once. It wasn't just that clip. It was multiple times. So I don't know if he was just trying to, like, butter us up, but I don't know what his motivation would have been after the fact.

[D]

And if his son is just familiar with him, then why is he calling him, wondering, like, if there's insider details that his dad can provide and stuff with all of his friends, like, clearly he was a fan and liked him, or else why would he be caring to find a phone and call?

[E]

We'd heard Charlie, heard rumors, and. Jack, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I jumped on top of you once. One last thing I'll throw at you. Charlie told me for. I don't know. I knew about the fact that Gavin Newsom's son was a fan of Charlie for about a year before this interview. We had heard rumors and heard that this was actually a thing. And so when we got there and he actually admitted it on camera, like, this is of kind. Kind of cool. Anyway, sorry, Jack, go ahead.

[B]

No, I was just gonna say, look, you know, there's a real interesting way to look at this. Sure. Gavin Newsom's a liar. We understand that. And I don't think that's gonna come as a surprise to anyone who's been following certainly since the COVID situation. But I think the real interesting argument to look at here is why is Gavin Newsom choosing this lie at this time? And why do something where he knows that he's verifiably on camera having said that to Charlie? And I think it's pretty clear, I think that Gavin has been looking across the political landscape and understands that if he wants to win in a Democrat primary, which is what he wants to do in the next couple of years to become the frontrunner for the Democrat candidacy, if you look at what he's done with his Twitter account, the News and press office account, where he's gone, as completely vile as anything you. You can find out there, he realizes that there is this new propensity for accepting, allowing or demanding smears and lies about our good friend Charlie Kirk and suddenly realizes that if he said something public, publicly positive about Charlie, his sit down interview, that's not gonna play well with the Democrat base, because this is the same Democrat base that is still there for Jay Jones in Virginia. These are the same people that have been lying about Charlie. The people who are, by the way, and we haven't said this yet, but since we're talking about Halloween, we know already that we've seen leftist after leftist dress up in this sort of grim, disgusting mockery of Charlie's murder. They're going to continue to do this, and I'm gonna say it right now. Please screenshot them. And we're gonna make them all famous. We're gonna absolutely make them all famous. And I send it my way. I'm happy to do so. Libs of TikTok is happy to do so. But Gavin realizes that his party is in a different place than he thought they were when he sat down with Charlie. So what's he doing? He realizes that he's got to be in that place as well to attack Charlie, to smear Charlie and show that he has no interest whatsoever in uniting with people on the right when he himself actually sat down and launched his podcast with Charlie just a couple of weeks ago.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, it's. I totally agree. It is that it is sort of the divide between the new left and the old left. And the question is, can the old left, you know, like Gavin, beat the new left like Mom, Donnie and AOC can? That can't. So Gavin is making a calculated effort to be sort of like, I'm going to be sensible on this one issue, but he's going to pivot hard on other issues. Right. And you see that with his sitting in front of the camera. I'm so upset about what ICE is doing and the tyrant Donald Trump and all this stuff. And he talks his big game, but I guarantee the next time he sees President Trump, it's gonna be bro hang Boys club. And it's gonna be. He's gonna try his charm offensive again. So he's just so annoying. And actually, I've heard some people throw out the idea of a Gavin Newsom AOC ticket, which I think is obscene. I don't think it's gonna happen. But the point is, I think what Gavin is going to sadly find out is that if you try and take a sensible position in this new Left, in this new Democrat Party, you're gonna get Eaten alive. I mean, this is like the Jennifer Welch clip. We should actually play this studio. I think it's 283 if memory serves. But this Jennifer Welch is like the aged Karen of the Democrat party. She's a Bravo star. Or was former Bravo star.

[C]

Are you still watch basic cable?

[E]

No, I don't know. I had to learn this actually this morning cause I got asked about it. But she's. She's like a former Bravo star. She is a very profane woman. She's a mocker, she is an accuser. She's bitter. She has no feminine, genteel grace about her. She's just literally incessantly drunk or high is what I would presume. I don't know, but I know. No, I don't know. No, but I know. Play it.

[H]

So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after maga, period. They're that are beholden to the same corporations that Donald Trump that helped Donald Trump get elected. Kudos to Bernie, to aoc, to Zoron. And that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece. There are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play Patty cake with corporations. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants you.

[E]

What a disgusting woman. By the way, I was like really polite this morning when I was asked about it on another interview. I find that to be a really, really scary sort of harbinger of things to come. Because there's no doubt she's right. She's right. This is the scary part. Even Gavin, as much as I find his slipperiness to be detestable, you could kind of work with Gavin. Like if Gavin was in, for example, if Gavin Newsom was the governor of Arizona, he'd be center right? Cause he'd play the political wins of this state.

[C]

He truly is like. It disturbs me how successful he is because he's just very obviously a sociopathic lizard. And it always upsets me when pure sociopathic lizards succeed. Especially when it's because people like they're so genuine.

[E]

No, I don't think he's genuine. I think he's the opposite of genuine. What I'm saying is though, he's like sort of a reasonable WASPy white man. And the party is going away from whatever brand of like Democrat that is and where, you know, I was around him, like you could shake his hand, he'd be nice to you and he'd laugh with you, Pat you on the back. He didn't care if you were conservative. He's just gonna kind of get along with you. That is not the new left. That is not the new Democratic Party, which thinks we're all Nazis and fascists and wants to shoot us. And Jennifer Welch is calling out anybody that's not getting completely radicalized, and she's basically saying, listen, here's the new litmus test. If you don't call Charlie a vile racist and bigot fascist that probably had it coming, then you don't deserve to be here and we're gonna take you out, too. So that is the new energy of the left. And so long as these are the drumbeats of the Democrat Party, this country is in a world of hurt. And I fear that she is right, that that's where they're going.

[D]

Well, we saw that Atlantic article today from the Trump admin officials that now have to live in, like, special houses that are protected.

[E]

The military base houses. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Because people are trying to kill them.

[E]

Yeah. Especially Stephen Miller. And you could probably speak to this, Jack, because you're over in that part of the world. But, I mean, Stephen Miller has had active death threats. His houses have been doxxed. Him and Katie have had to move out and move to different homes before, but it sounds like now they've just thrown up their hands. They're living on a military base.

[B]

Yeah, No, I knew about this for a little while. I've just. Obviously I know the Millers, and so I heard about this when it happened. Obviously, I didn't want to say anything publicly just for their own safety, the safety of their children. But it's horrific. And if you read in the article, it even walks through how not only were they going after their house, people have to realize they were stalking the Millers. They were going by and like, they had a car that would sit outside of their house day and night. They were following the family, they were following the children. This was. And by the way, this is a coordinated antifa cell that exists in Northern Virginia that was promoting and celebrating this doxing, this harassment, and they couldn't get police to really do anything about it. They had so much trouble getting federal law enforcement to do anything about it. And eventually they realized for their safety and of course, the safety of their children, they had to move on to a federal military base. By the way, the same thing happened to Josh Hawley a couple of years ago. Brett Kavanaugh had someone outside their house who was about to kill him. And before, before 911 was called, a guy with a 9 millimeter and a couple of zip ties. And obviously we all saw what happened to Charlie just a couple of weeks ago. The situation is very, very bad. If you live in blue areas, it's just as simple as that.

[G]

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[E]

Well, this is what upsets me and Jack. You and I got really like into this story. It was this Dr. Antifa Professor Mark Bray from Rutgers. So you've got antifa cells that are harassing Stephen Miller and his wife Katie and their kids. And I think people like Stephen probably has been the recipient of more hate and more vitriol than just about anybody else on the left. I mean they literally call him Goebbels and they call him, I mean they think he's a Nazi, they think he's a white supremacist. And you know, it's funny cuz Stephen Miller's Jewish but doesn't stop them. And it really just comes down to the immigration thing, right? Because the immigration thing is their holy grail. They want to remake the demographics of this country. They want to use it to dilute and destroy the white, Anglo, Christian, European sort of bedrock foundational cultural element of America. And so if you're going to attack that, if you're going to actually go after the central golden calf of the modern left, which is the Browning of America. Then you are going to be Persona non grata. You're going to be enemy number one. And so poor people, I mean, but you've got, the point is you've got antifa doing the bidding. These are the foot soldiers of the left. These are the militant radicals that are doing this. And you've got professors that are paid by a public university that are taking taxpayer money to train them to write an antifa handbook on how to take preemptive measures, that completely pour contempt on debate and open dialogue and the democratic process that are getting your tax dollars. And you've got antifa cells that are coming after officials in the Trump administration that are getting trained by this professor to attack them violently with knives, fists, guns, heavy weaponry if needs be. And this guy says, oh, I'm not, I don't endorse antifa. Well, then why did all your money in profits from the book sales go to their legal defense fund, huh, Professor Bray? Why did, why is that? And by the way, we should ask Rutgers University why he's not been fired yet, as a matter of fact, as well as with Lucy Martinez at Nathan Hale elementary in Chicago. Both of these people are vile monsters that are still employed. And it really ticks you off when you think about it.

[B]

No, exactly right. And by the way, the great Eva Kwan, who is the Turning Point, one of the chapter leaders there at Rutgers, she's been placed under investigation by Rutgers as well as Megan Doyle, one of the other chapter leaders. They're trying to get them kicked off. And what's she been doing? She's been standing her ground and fighting back. By the way, they have Alex Stein coming to Rutgers at the Turning Point chapter on, on I think it's Monday. Yeah, it's going to be on Monday. And so we're also doing the Turning Point action super Sunday and super Monday to get out the vote in New Jersey for Jack Cittarelli. Where you look at the polls, it's neck and neck there. I think there was a poll, Emerson poll came out that a one point difference in that that's how close this is and why, what are they doing? We know Rutgers as a public university is going after the turning point chapter, these great student leaders who I went up with and was probably crowd to stand with there in Northern Jersey. And she actually uncovered, by the way, going back to Dr. Antifa Mark Bray, she uncovered speeches and interviews where he gave, where he describes himself, he Says, I'm a member of Antifa. I'm a member of the Black Rose Anarchist Federation. Now he runs around today saying I'm not Antifa. But she's got interviews from a couple of years ago where he says he was in Antifa. And if you remember, the G20, the G20 that was held in Hamburg. I want to say it was 20, 2017, the G20, Hamburg summit. He talks about participating in riots that included the burning of cars and an attack on the summit that was so bad that first lady Melania Trump wasn't even allowed to attend the summit. She was originally scheduled to attend, but they couldn't bring her out because they couldn't secure it. Again, going back to what we're talking about now with the Millers and, and others who have to live on military bases. This guy is talking about participating in these firebombing attacks on cars in Hamburg. The same guy. And so this is the level of people that we have, by the way, at taxpayer funded universities. And because the communists over in Spain are so, are so entrenched because these antifa cells are international, he's able to go over to Spain and seamlessly integrate with the antifa cells there. Because this is a, excuse me, an international terrorist organization. And that's exactly what I told the President when I was at the White House. And you can see, you can see the operations right in front of your eyes.

[E]

No, I was about to make the same point, Jack. We should actually follow the Money and follow Dr. Antifa and find out who he's hanging out with in Spain. I mean, this is a guy who deserves to be investigated. And it's not a free speech thing. You have to understand. Listen, I could quote Gavin Newsom that when he's talking about, when he's talking about trans in sports, right? Because this person's freedom of speech is getting in the way of your freedom of speech. When he's advocating for these, these tactics that again, their whole tactic is we don't care about your democracy, we don't care about your free speech. We are going to preemptively attack you. He's coming after them. And that is a complete betrayal of the democratic process of the American way, which we believe we're gonna battle it out with ideas, not with fists and knives and guns. He doesn't care about that. His tactics say you gotta get ahead of it, you gotta punch a Nazi, you gotta shoot a Nazi. We don't care about your arguments, we don't care about your ideas, we don't care about your humanity. So we should follow the money. We should follow the paper trail and find out who the heck he's hanging out with. Because it's only gonna strengthen the case for the federal government that are trying to crack down on these antifa cells. Because ultimately we've gotta be able to hinge it on laws, real laws and real precedent. And I guess, you know, rico's not enough. But there's other things. Conspiracy, there's lots of other ways you could get these people and I think some financially. Treasury's working on this right now. Scott Besant. So we gotta keep an eye on that as well.

[B]

Base, base, base. We gotta make sure that foreign terrorist designation comes down, by the way. It absolutely needs to get done.

[E]

Yeah, absolutely. Jack, I brought up Sager already on this show. And this would do.

[C]

We have. I want to hit this.

[E]

I want to hit this.

[C]

I want to hit this. I know it's late communism. We've got to talk about Boomer Luxury communism.

[E]

All right, Is this to be careful, no negative emails. This is not all about you in this audience.

[C]

But no. So we're talking about.

[B]

We're talking about liberal boomers.

[E]

We're talking about liberal.

[C]

We'll talk about a variety of people. So what this all was sparked by was a little debate. I joined in it briefly, but I believe Is it is 305 the tweet that we're looking at here. I think so let's put that up. Let's put that up. So, okay, that's. No one's gonna be able to read that. It's too big anyway. So this is Sagar. And Jetty tweeted, I will read it. And he said in today's episode of Boomer Luxury Communism, Texas voters will vote on a new measure that will slash school taxes for boomers 65 and older by approximately 50%, in addition to further slashing property taxes for boomers alone. So what this is all in context is, is that Texas is considering big cuts to property tax to some of their property taxes, or they're changing what your exemptions are under property tax law, but it's going to only apply to those who are 65 and older. Now, I'm sure a lot of people like the sound of that, but Sager disagreed with it. And I'll be honest, it. I disagreed with it. I really dislike when we go looking for new ways to cut taxes for the oldest people in America. And to lay this out, here's the deal. First of all, the oldest people in America are already the most on average, the most financially well off by a large margin. And this is historically out of the norm. It used to be people about in middle age were the wealthiest and older people were poorer. Now the olds have the most money by a long shot on average. All on average here. And the second thing is, let's just be real. Who do we need to be boosting, enabling to ensure America's future success and prosperity? It is young people. We need young people who are going to be buying homes, having more kids, frankly, paying fewer taxes if need be so that they have more kids, especially in the middle class. If you are older, you know, thank you for your service, but you are not.

[E]

Well, how about this? Could we do it in such a way that we would be means tested or something or even, you know, even.

[C]

There the thing that we should means test the most right now. Like if every number we look at, every number in America says the people who are getting hosed right now are the youngest Americans, period. So like if you're over 65, you're already getting free health care, you're already getting a Social Security pension, you've had 40 years of incredible economic growth during which you had the opportunity to accumulate savings and investments. And it's very common in America to look at young people who have student loans or just young people who made mistakes anyway and say like, you need to take responsibility for yourself. Well, okay, why can't older people take responsibility for themselves?

[D]

And if you want more mamdaniism, this is the exact way to do it. Because you're gonna radicalize more and more young people who are just gonna see that the older generation is getting bailed out while they are still in trouble and are faced with the worst situation of any generation. So as Gen Z, a lot of friends of mine and stuff are already pretty pissed about all the housing market and all that. If we've talked about on the show and I feel like all this is going to do is start radicalizing more and more people.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, so if I'm going to play devil's advocate here, I mean, I'll confess I mostly agree with you guys, but if I'm going to play devil's advocate because I've spoken with a number of Texans, right? And they have been railing against property tax in Texas for a long time because it tends they don't have a state income tax, but so their property tax is kind of how they make up the difference, right? So you move to Texas, if you own an expensive home, it will cost you a Significant amount of.

[C]

I have really bad news for people. Property tax is probably one of the better taxes out there.

[E]

Well, actually, I like your idea. What did you call it? The land tax, the georgism. What is it called?

[C]

Georgism. Georgism.

[E]

Georgism. It's actually a really fascinating idea. I wasn't aware about it until Blake told me about it, but by the way. So the point is, in Texas, there's quite a bit of political movement behind cutting significantly or abolishing even property tax. I mean, there's people who want to cut it. And I'll be honest with you, I remember being, like, younger and realizing there was such a thing as property tax, and it like, blew my mind. I was like, wait, so you don't ever get to own a piece of land that you pay for? You just sort of constantly have to pay the government for the right to, like, you take care of your land, you own it?

[C]

Well, in the end. In the end, here's. This is a way a friend of mine phrased it recently who pointed it out. The only reason you own it, the only reason you have the concept of ownership, is that we have a government with a system of laws that protects and guarantees that ownership. And you could think of property tax as your way of guaranteeing that system. And I know people really dislike paying all taxes. I dislike paying taxes. But to the extent that we must pay for things as a public good, property taxes is one of the least distortionary ways of doing it. And land taxes are even better.

[E]

Here's the problem. And actually, this is somewhere. California was like Prop 13 or whatever. That was helpful because when you get to a certain age, there is a point at which your ability to earn money for the vast majority of people diminishes. And your property could still increase. And depending on the laws of that state, the value of your property goes up and up and up. Your property tax could go up and up and up, and then it could outstrip your ability to then pay for it, especially if you're on fixed income. So I understand the desire to help people on fixed income that can no longer afford their property tax. That being said, I don't disagree with what you're saying when it comes to who's the number one group that we need to ensure that gets buy into the economy, buys into the American dream, buys into having skin of the game so they don't become bloody revolutionaries and bomb Donnie. I totally get that argument, but I do have compassion on older boomers that are on fixed income, and their property tax could outstrip their ability to pay for it.

[C]

You know, it's true. But again, you have to think we expect accountability in a lot of other situations. And if you're a young person whose income goes down because you get laid off because you make a mistake in terms, you know, you lose a lot of money you make on gambling or on a counterpoint.

[E]

Counterpoint. So, yes, they should be accountable. But the amount with which property values have increased has massively benefited boomers some. But if you are living in, for example, I have a lot of these people in my family, actually, that just literally have lived in the same home since like the 80s. Right. And so their property values have shot up tremendously, but they've never. That's like if you're taxing unrealized gains, which is something that we do not do in this country, essentially, that's what you could look at as a property tax that has shot up based on reassessing of property values. It's an unrealized game because they're not, they're not liquidating that asset, they're living in that asset.

[C]

Well, so they've gotten an asset that has massively increased in value.

[E]

They have to do a reverse mortgage, which is maybe that might be what.

[C]

They have to do. Or I'll be blunt. Historically, older people who don't have children in the home anymore have less mobility anyway. Have less. But historically, older people have downsized later in life. You, you know, it's not even like, oh, we're not seeing poverty. Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, he lived in a great big house called Blenheim Palace. And actually, wait, I can't remember the name of his home. It wasn't Blenheim Palace. That was the richer people in the family house. He had a big house. And when he was aging and when his son was aging into adulthood and having children and Winston's kids had grown up and he built a cabin on that property and he moved into that and he gave the big house to his son. Now, I'm not saying you have to give your home to your children, but I'm saying we have a tradition of if you are aging and you have less money, it's an entirely reasonable and normal thing to downsize your consumption.

[E]

And we are allowing consumption is like, I mean, a modest, like quarter acre lot and a single family home. And you just like the neighborhood around you became multimillion dollar homes. And yours is still sort of like unimproved, but you're just, you're happy living there. And this is like, you paid for it. You should have the right to stay there. Well, if you could afford the property taxes five years ago and all of a sudden they shot up because you had a reassessment, then that. Again, I have compassion. I do.

[C]

It's just, it's in the big.

[E]

What people are raging against is these boomers that are accumulating multiple rental houses and they're buying up all these houses in the market. That's what people are raging in. Those people should not be benefiting from a property tax deal. But.

[C]

No, but in general, boomers also account.

[D]

For, I'm looking at it now, 53% of all home sells, and then they also account for 42% of all home buyers.

[E]

A lot of boomers are buying.

[D]

So they're buying up homes. And that's what's creating this problem where.

[E]

People are getting radical means tested. I don't know, maybe there's like a. Maybe there's like a different way to do it.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Jack, Jack, what do you say on the boomer question?

[B]

No, I'm, I'm largely. Blake, I'm largely with you on this. You know, I do, I do think there's obviously, you know, things that should be done to, you know, try to maintain this within some sense of reason. But I do think that it's. I think that it's kind of silly for people to think that they can just live in a society and not have to pay for any upkeep of that society, community or system whatsoever. It's like, like, are you, you know, are you defending your home yourself 24 7, are you using, Are you using no public services whatsoever? I highly doubt it. I'm just saying. I highly doubt it. And even if you are someone who isn't right, you know, let's say, let's say even if you are 24 7, 365, totally self sustaining, guess what? If something does happen, who are you going to call? You're going to call 91 1, you're going to call, you're going to, hopefully you can go to court. You can hopefully have a system of justice to be able to backstop all of it. And so you do. I'm sorry. Like, I think it's this weird kind of like, you know, quasi, I don't want to grow up and eat my vegetables, you know, sort of like conservatarian thing that, you know, you just got to, you just got to grow up. At some point, you just have to grow up.

[E]

I will say this.

[B]

Realize that when you live in a society that includes some kind of mutual buy in it really does.

[E]

I know, I agree with you. I mean, just to betray my previous words, my bias is towards young Americans, obviously. I work with Turning Point and I've been with Charlie for eight years plus. So I mean, I'm with you and I'm just saying there are certain instances, kind of like when we were talking about Snap, where you're like, that actually is really hard. It's gonna be really, really hard for actual legitimate cases that are surviving subsistence living off snap. There's a lot of abuse to it and so would love to get rid of the. I would presume it's probably an 8020 issue where it's 20% legitimate users and 80% just phony fraudsters. And I would say it's probably something like that when it comes to who deserves to maybe have their property tax frozen or diminished in a state like Texas versus 80% of boomers that could probably afford it and really just need to take their medicine. I'm just saying I have some compassion, obviously I want, I'm open minded about 98% of the ideas that would make it more affordable for young people to buy homes and get a stake in the United States.

[D]

Well, I see in our emails they're already pretty upset. But if we want to throw up 312, just real quick, that's the graph I was referencing and that's what's going to radicalize many people.

[E]

What, what, what are we looking at?

[D]

So younger boomers and older boomers both, if you put just that whole generation of boomers together, account for 53% of all home sales, according to national association of Realtors. Unfortunate. And they also account for 42% of all home buying buyers.

[B]

Why is it both red? This chart is really, really, really.

[D]

I don't know. I didn't create it.

[B]

But because the colors are red.

[E]

Well, so the, the dark red is the sellers and the light red is the buyers. Right?

[B]

Yeah, I know, it's just like, it's like. What idiot put this?

[D]

It's really the national association of Realtors.

[E]

So I will say that the older boomers and younger boomers are selling far. Their sales of homes is far outstripping.

[D]

They're also buying at 42%.

[E]

Yeah, I get that. You know that's, it's interesting. But at least they're, at least they're net average is that they're releasing more inventory onto the market. I will say that I think it's time for us to wrap things up. Here, gentlemen, I gotta catch a plane. It's been a busy day.

[B]

By the way, shout out to. Just because you mentioned snap, real quick, shout out to the new account out there. EBT of Tick Tock. I don't know if you guys have been following that one yet. Actually, I realized halfway through the show that we probably, probably should have done a segment on this because EBT, there's apparently a new genre on TikTok where people who are an EBT get to put up. We'll have to save this for, you know, next week or something, which I believe we'll all be together in person next week. And. Oh, and we should also say that in a second we'll. We'll talk about Tuesday night. But yeah, people talk about their EBT hauls, basically what they're buying using SNAP benefits and food stamps and, and how much they can bilk out of the system. And they just brag about it on TikTok.

[E]

Yeah, or. And by the way, Jack, if they don't get their EBT turned back on on November 1st, they. They go shoplifting. National Shoplifting Day.

[C]

Looks shut down. We'll have a. I think we'll get a full episode of this.

[E]

Can I get a beep?

[B]

We'll get a full episode. This is going to be great.

[E]

Hell yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

That's not the main place. It's fine. We got to have National Shoplifting Day across the nation. Oh, there it is. Now we got it. Charlie will be.

[B]

Guys, it's okay. It's okay. Andrew can say this because as we remember, he's part Mexican.

[E]

I'm also Jewish, according to the chat, which is hilarious. But my has gone off the rails. I know this is going off the rail. Apparently I'm Jewish, which is not true. That's not true. My dad was. My dad saw some comment somewhere that was like, Andrew's Jewish. He's like, I almost created an account to just tell him my son is not Jewish, but that's fine. What are you going to do? I was born Catholic. I got saved in college. I'm evangelical, I guess. Non denominated, I guess. I don't know. I just don't like being pigeonholed as evangelical. Whatever. I'm a Christian. That's how I look at it. Final thoughts, Blake man.

[C]

Final thoughts. We need to cease our rebellion against God's time. We must submit to the noonday sun as God ordained it. When it is noon, the sun is directly overhead. We're not doing this crap where it's at 2pm we're not going to do that.

[D]

Final thought rebellion, I guess. Wish everybody a happy Halloween and Jack a good day of terrorizing the neighborhood around him. And tonight. Yeah, congratulations, Jack, on doing that.

[E]

My final thoughts are what a great event at Ole Miss. And we talked about on the Charlie Kirk show today. It was just like it was so phenomenal and I'm still buzzing from it. And we talked about it with Jesse Waters tonight. So that's my final thought. Jack, you should take us home and preview Tuesday night.

[B]

Tuesday night for those asking. Of course we know it's going to be election night here in the United States. And as such, the traditional election night super stream on the Charlie Kirk show, the Charlie Kirk Rumble channel will continue and we will all be in person in the Charlie Kirk studio. Yes, the Tuesday the Thought Crime crew, the super stream. We are all going to be there. We're going to be going through this directly. We're going to go through the results. It might be a late night. It might. Now we know obviously the three big races, New Jersey, New York and Virginia, those are all east coast times. So hopefully not too late of a night. But we are going to be up, we are going to be here and this will be your election station come election night this Tuesday. And of course, look, Charlie loved the election streams. Charlie loved the live streams on election night. That's, I mean, he built so much of this channel by doing that. And we know that Charlie would be, would be looking down saying, guys, you gotta go live, you gotta go live. So we're gonna do it.

[E]

He was, he was, he loved, he loved doing the work. He was like the orchestra, you know, the conductor of the orchestra, rather the conductor. Yeah, yeah, he was, he would just like, he had like a pace to him. So we're gonna do our best Charlie Kirk impression that night. We will miss him greatly, but we have to do it in his honor. So there we have it. All right, Jack, take us home. I gotta catch a plane.

[B]

Ladies and gentlemen, go out there and commit more thought crime. To my surprise, he did the match. He did the monster man. The monster mash. It was a graveyard smash.

[D]

Did the match.

[C]

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