THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 110 — Live at AmFest

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 110 — Live at AmFest

Date: December 20, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (on assignment), Jack Posobiec (temporary host), with Cliff Maloney, Tyler Boyer, Mikey McCoy, Blake Neff, and Andrew Colvett
Venue: Live at AmFest

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Episode Overview

This lively “Thoughtcrime” episode is a panel-format, audience Q&A at AmFest, featuring several of Charlie Kirk’s closest collaborators and friends. While Charlie Kirk himself is on assignment, the panel pays tribute to his legacy and the mission of Turning Point USA by discussing grassroots activism, faith, conservative values, culture wars, politics (with a strong America First message), and generational challenges. The show’s signature “anything goes” ethos is on full display—no topic is off-limits, from pop culture flame wars to serious debates on imperialism, criminal justice, and immigration.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Origins and Ethos of “Thoughtcrime”

Timestamps: 01:10–03:52

• “Thoughtcrime” was designed as a break from daily news, to discuss ‘the cultural things going on’ and the bigger ideas that don’t always fit into a news cycle.
• “Anything goes. No censorship. No question is denied. That is how Thoughtcrime works.” —Jack Posobiec [01:54]
• Lighthearted banter about show ‘rules’ (including “no jackets” on stage) sets a playful, irreverent tone.

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2. Pop Culture, Fandom, and Identity

Star Wars vs. Lord of the Rings Debate
Timestamps: 04:48–07:32

• Audience divides on “best” Star Wars film; hosts diverge between A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi.
• Jack Posobiec strongly criticizes modern Star Wars and “Disney adults”: “Star Wars is banned in my house.” [05:13]
• The new films are condemned as being taken over by DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) ideology—with specific claims about casting and messaging.
• The panel connects the “redemption arc” in Return of the Jedi to Christian themes: “It shows a biblical redemption arc…from evil to goodness.” —Jack Posobiec [06:33]

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3. How Charlie Kirk Learned and Taught (Audience Question)

Timestamps: 08:37–11:05

• Charlie’s dedication to self-education: “Charlie read all the time…he would have his laptop open…arguing with ChatGPT for like five hours.” —Mikey McCoy [08:47]
• He took extensive notes and made lists: “He wrote down in lists and lists and lists…Big list person.” —Charlie Kirk [10:16]
• Reading is presented as a discipline central to activism and belief: “You can’t fake it till you make it. That’s what the left does. We have to have a true belief.” —Jack Posobiec [10:59]

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4. American Imperialism, America First, and Foreign Policy

Timestamps: 12:46–16:34

• A youth in a military family asks about America’s “world police” role.
• Hosts joke about annexing parts of Mexico and propose borders in jest before turning serious:
  • “When it benefits America, we need to be imperialistic. When it doesn’t, we need to get the heck out.” —Charlie Kirk [15:08]
  • “My answer on all of that is America First.” —Jack Posobiec [15:18]
• Audience poll on “America First only” vs. “America First but not only” reveals a generational and philosophical split.
• Blunt assessment on Ukraine: “It is stupid for the United States of America to back a losing war and a losing proposition.” —Jack Posobiec [17:10]

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5. Immigration, Identity, and Assimilation

Timestamps: 18:47–23:45

• Discussion of immigration reform, citing cultural differences and integration challenges even among European immigrants.
• Jack Posobiec: “Shut down immigration until we can figure out what the hell is going on at our borders.” [20:04]
• Claims about scams and abuse in migrant communities, especially Somalis in Minnesota, are cited as justification for strict remigration policies.
• Widespread criticism of policies and prominent Democratic figures; emphasis on “America-first immigration.”

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6. Faith, Christianity in the Public Square, and American Foundations

Timestamps: 25:04–31:19

• Audience question from a Christian mother about non-Christian friends and separation of church and state.
• Tyler Boyer advocates a “welcoming community” rooted in Christian values, offering acceptance but a clear sense of American identity.
• Jack Posobiec: “If you’re gonna be a Christian in today’s America, you must be a public Christian…We have to return Christianity to the public square.” [29:48]
• The panel rebuts the notion that “separation of church and state” prevents public Christianity—arguing instead for its full public expression.

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7. Challenging Topics: USS Liberty, Internal Movement Honesty

Timestamps: 31:24–34:59

• Audience asks about the 1967 USS Liberty incident (Israeli attack on U.S. ship).
• Both Jack and Mikey criticize official narratives and the conservative movement’s reluctance to tell “the whole truth.”
• Mikey: “You can say that and still be pro-Israel…Why do we have to lie about it as a movement? Just tell the truth.” [34:59]

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8. Masculinity, Young Men’s and Women’s Roles, and Generational Trends

Timestamps: 35:07–42:37

• Discussion of splitting blue states to empower red state politics; advocacy for “more states, more red senators.”
• Audience questions on role models, women’s leadership, and fostering masculinity—Turning Point USA is credited with making conservatism “cool” for younger generations.
• Acknowledgement of Erica Kirk’s new prominence as a female leader: “She is literally anti-fragile…a representation of what women should strive to be.” —Mikey McCoy [33:36]; “If you want to find an Erica, you’ve got to be a Charlie, and to young women, if you want to find a Charlie, you have to be an Erica.” —Jack Posobiec [42:05]

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9. Law Enforcement, the Chauvin Case, and Policing Politics

Timestamps: 43:47–50:39

• Arizona police officer and audience member raise Derek Chauvin’s trial—panel strongly asserts Chauvin is a political prisoner.
• “That is a sham. That is not justice. What was done there was a miscarriage of justice.” —Jack Posobiec [45:43]
• Conversation expands into the broader “war on police,” need for police to be vocal conservatives, and accusations against “Soros money” influencing suburban elections.

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10. The Death Penalty and Christian Ethics

Timestamps: 51:03–57:39

• Audience asks: Should Christians support the death penalty?
• Panel discusses biblical justifications and distinctions between mercy for individuals and the role of the state:
  • “When the state…enforces its laws, it is not acting as an individual seeking vengeance. It is enacting justice…one aspect of justice may actually have to be to use lethal force.” —Blake Neff [51:44]
  • “The death penalty isn’t pro-death, it's actually pro-life because it values the life of the victim.” —Jack Posobiec summarizing Charlie Kirk [53:05]
  • “We should not foist that [burden] onto the victims…that is why we have the state wielding the power that it does.” —Blake Neff [56:39]

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11. Youth, Veterans, Generational Opportunity, and “The American Dream”

Timestamps: 58:46–74:46

• Veterans express frustration at lack of support; call for Turning Point Veterans Coalition to support transition and employment. “We should not have a single unemployed veteran or homeless veteran in this country.” —Jack Posobiec [62:14]
• Addressing Gen Z’s attraction to socialism/Marxism: “Young people face radical problems. Can’t buy a house, have debt, can’t afford a family…We’re turning to radical solutions.” —Mikey McCoy [68:30]
• The importance of early activism: “You have to defeat these people at the state legislature level….You gotta take out the guys that…become your school board members.” —Charlie Kirk [72:20]

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12. Activism, Life Choices, and Making a Difference

Timestamps: 76:25–81:48

• Young adults ask how best to use their time for impact—panel recommends activism through Turning Point USA, ballot chasing, and involvement in faith-based or local political work.
• “Be a rebel. Start a family…There is nothing better.” —Jack Posobiec [80:41]
• In a standout audience moment, a job is offered live to a graphic designer willing to relocate for TPUSA work.

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13. Political Outreach to Black and Brown Christian Communities

Timestamps: 82:34–87:56

• Audience question about connecting socially conservative but politically liberal churches/communities to the conservative movement.
• Andrew Colvett notes: “If you got 25–30% of the black vote, not to mention the Hispanic vote, you would derail the Democrats’ prospects forever.” [85:23]
• Charlie Kirk’s prescription: “Go back to church, start there…This is the moment in history right now where we could make massive gains.” [86:13]
• Emotional testimony about standing up for Kirk in church and the power of being “the difference.”

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14. Language, Outreach, and Conservative Content

Timestamps: 88:34–89:52

• Debate on producing conservative content in Spanish and other languages—panel strongly supports using all means to reach and include immigrants while encouraging English proficiency.

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15. Alaska, Ranked Choice Voting, and Electoral Integrity

Timestamps: 89:56–92:33

• Concern raised about Alaska trending blue due to ranked choice voting.
• “No to ranked choice voting. You need to tattoo it on yourself…They’re trying to institute it in red states like Alaska…and then you elect Democrats.” —Charlie Kirk [90:56]

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16. Closing, Tribute, and Charlie’s Legacy

Timestamps: 92:33–93:54

• The panel closes by invoking Charlie Kirk’s legacy: “He’s on permanent assignment with God…And we’re going to continue this fight…Go out there and commit Thought Crime.” —Jack Posobiec [92:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Anything goes on Thoughtcrime. No censorship. No question that is denied.” —Jack Posobiec [01:54]
• “It shows a biblical redemption arc…that’s the original story of Star Wars.” —Jack Posobiec [06:33]
• “Charlie would have his laptop open arguing with ChatGPT for five hours…‘I’m practicing for the campus tours.’” —Mikey McCoy [08:47]
• “When it benefits America, we need to be imperialistic. When it doesn’t, we need to get the heck out.” —Charlie Kirk [15:08]
• “We have to have a true belief in what we're reading, and you have to dive deep to do that.” —Jack Posobiec [11:01]
• “Shut down immigration until we can figure out what the hell is going on at our borders.” —Jack Posobiec [20:04]
• “If you’re going to be a Christian in today’s America, you must be a public Christian.” —Jack Posobiec [29:48]
• “She is literally anti-fragile…a representation of what women should strive to be.” —Mikey McCoy [33:36]
• “If you want to find an Erica, you’ve got to be a Charlie, and to young women, if you want to find a Charlie, you have to be an Erica.” —Jack Posobiec [42:05]
• “The death penalty isn’t pro-death, it’s actually pro-life because it values the life of the victim.” —Jack Posobiec, summarizing Charlie Kirk [53:05]
• “You have to defeat these people at the state legislature…if you do that, we win.” —Charlie Kirk [72:20]
• “Be a rebel. Start a family…There is nothing better.” —Jack Posobiec [80:41]
• “Go out there and commit Thought Crime.” —Jack Posobiec [92:42]

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Show intro, Thoughtcrime meaning | 01:10–03:52| | Star Wars/LotR/Pop culture debate | 04:48–07:32| | Charlie Kirk’s reading habits & activism | 08:37–11:05| | America First/Imperialism/Ukraine War | 12:46–18:39| | Immigration & assimilation | 18:47–23:45| | Faith, church/state, public Christianity | 25:04–31:19| | USS Liberty, internal honesty in conservatism | 31:24–34:59| | Masculinity, women’s roles, generation change | 35:07–42:37| | Police, Chauvin case, Soros DA agenda | 43:47–50:39| | Death penalty, justice, Christian worldview | 51:03–57:39| | Veterans, Gen Z & American dream, grassroots activism | 58:46–74:46| | Youth, family, activism careers, live job offer | 76:25–81:48| | Outreach to black & brown Christian conservatives | 82:34–87:56| | Language & content outreach | 88:34–89:52| | Alaska/ranked choice voting | 89:56–92:33| | Closing tribute to Charlie Kirk | 92:33–93:54|

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Episode Summary

This “Thoughtcrime” episode at AmFest captures the spirit of Charlie Kirk’s movement: brash, energetic, and unapologetically conservative. Audience questions drive a wide-ranging discussion spanning pop culture, immigration, foreign policy, policing, faith in public life, generational opportunity, and activism strategy. The hosts blend humor, candid admissions, and pointed political analysis, always returning to the themes of faith, family, and grassroots empowerment.

Whether you’re a long-time member of the movement or a new listener, this episode is packed with the panel’s signature energy, peppered with insight and memorable zingers—and closed with a heartfelt homage to Charlie Kirk’s enduring legacy.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable.

[Charlie Kirk]

But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.

[Jack Posobiec]

College is a scam, everybody.

[Charlie Kirk]

You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist.

[Jack Posobiec]

I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

[Charlie Kirk]

Most important decision I ever made in my life.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I encourage you to do the same.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here I am, Lord.

[Jack Posobiec]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Charlie Kirk]

And the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Thought Crime Live. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Look at this. We got the whole Motley cr. Thank you for being here, folks. Seriously, thank you for being here.

[Charlie Kirk]

We've got Blake and Andrew on their way here. So.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we got. We got Jack Posobic here on Thar Crime. Ladies and gentlemen.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know it's.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know it's Friday. We usually do Thaw Crime Thursday. So I hope you won't mind if we're doing Thaw Crime on Friday. Is that all right with all of you? Hell, yeah. All right, we got Cliff Maloney. You know Cliff from the pa Chase. What's up, Cliff? Hello. Hello. Then we got a craze. Of course, the great Tyler Boyer.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's up, guys? How we doing?

[Jack Posobiec]

And everyone's favorite, Mikey McCoy. Now, there was. There were rules. There's rules about Thought Crime. Now, people. People don't realize this, but there are rules. When we created this show, we said there's. There's one rule above all rules. Anything goes on Thought Crime. All right? No censorship. No question. That is denied by. There is no topic that's not allowed to be discussed. That is how Thought Crime works. But there's also another rule. No jackets on Thought Crime. So I said. When we were backstage, I said, mikey, Cliff, take him off. And I threw mine off, too. No suit jackets. So if Andrew Colvette comes out here wearing a jacket or if Blake Neff comes out here with. What is that, his $5 Macy special? Wait, do you not have a mic? Oh, his mic is broken. That's okay. He doesn't have anything to say anyway. That. No, we'll figure that out. And that. That they got to take him off, by the way. Shout out. Because we got two beautiful ladies here in the front wearing thought crime T shirts that they made themselves, which is so amazing. But. But, Tyler, I'm pretty sure that's copyright infringement, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

So. No, that's the thought crime.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's a thought crime. Look, look, look, we. We have good lawyers, so I don't know. It did say anything goes, though. We did say that look when we started this show. And Tyler, maybe you could speak to this a little bit. Because we started this show with Charlie because we needed to find a way to add to kind of talk about those subjects and talk about those topics that didn't really fit into a daily news cycle. They didn't really fit into just whatever was going on on Twitter or something like that. So we said, let's do a show where it's just a couple of the guys sitting around talking about the issues, and we're gonna break all the rules.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, that's where it started was thought crime was developed as every day. It's like the hard news that Charlie was delivering, and it was exhausting to talk about it every single day. And he just wanted a vacation. We wanted a vacation from all that, just to talk about all the cultural things going on. So that's what we're going to do here today. Who's open for some topics?

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, we just throw into it. We're throwing to it. All right, folks, we got a lot of people here today, so I say we're just going for it. Now, as Charlie would always say, disagreers to the front, because that is the standard that Charlie has always set. So if you disagree with something we ever said, and, you know, in fact, and if anything that Charlie ever said, we'll come up here, we'll speak for him if we can. You can come up to the front. So, guys, have at it.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Jack Posobiec]

How's it going, gentlemen?

[Charlie Kirk]

My name's Dino.

[Jack Posobiec]

Talk.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Talk right into it. Talk right into it.

[Charlie Kirk]

My name's Brady. His name's Dino. Yeah. And we have a controversial question for you. We're actually stuck at an impasse ourselves, and we need your help with this one. Brady, what's the best Star wars movie? My favorite Star wars movie is A New Hope, the original. We're having a big debate, so we're curious what you guys thoughts are. He's absolutely incorrect. It's Empire Strikes back, by the way.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, okay. Should I just say that seems like it's a setup for me, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I'm sorry. Star wars is faking gay. Sorry. I saw crime. I'm sorry. I can't do it. Not only do I think it's fake and gay, but it's. Star wars is banned in my house. I don't let the kids watch it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I.

[Jack Posobiec]

And here's why. Here's why. Because when I see those Disney adults that are walking around at Disneyland and Disney World, I'm telling you, those guys give me creeper vibes. Like Blippi. I don't want them around my kids. I don't want my kids around that. So we're. We're anti Star wars in the posto house. Let's go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, but what's. What's gear. Lord of the Rings or Star Wars?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, so Tyler has this. Wait, you said it is or it isn't Lord of the Rings.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is. We talked about this. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So Tyler says Lord of the Rings is gay. What do you think? Is Tyler right about that?

[Mikey McCoy]

Absolutely not.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mikey, you have some thoughts?

[Mikey McCoy]

I think the better question is, what's the better trilogy? And for all us young people, it's the prequels. But Rogue One is the greatest Star wars movie, and it's not fake and gay. I think you thinking Star wars is fake and gay is fake and gay.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, back, back. No, back to the subject matter. Return of the Jedi is the best Star wars film.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bold.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bold.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, Return of the Jedi, I will know. I can. I can steel man, this. And I do want to move topics. I don't want to do all Star wars, but Return. Return of the Jedi is a great movie because it shows the redemption arc, and it shows a biblical redemption arc whereby in when Darth Vader goes and atones for what he's done and seeks redemption through his son, his son leads him on the path from evil to goodness. That's the original story of Star Wars. But then George Lucas got involved, and then Disney got involved, and I'm sorry.

[Charlie Kirk]

They messed it all up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Kennedy got involved. They messed it all up, and they made it fake and gay, just like Netflix. There's a lot of people. I could do this all day.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'll say. No. I'm gonna say this, too. All the new movies, they jacked this entire thing up. They totally screwed up. Snoke and everything else did worst. That is the worst part.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's a big deal now.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's all dei. It's all. No. And you know what? I got in trouble for saying this on Twitter in 2015. Fine, I'm just gonna say it. It's thought crime, right? You want to talk about how it's dei, so go look at the Disney Star wars movies, all right? All the bad guys are straight white men. Every single bad guy in the Disney Star wars movies is a straight white man. I said this on 2015. I got ripped on. And all of the. What they call them, it's not the rebels, it's like the Resistance alliance or whatever. All of the. All of them. It's like, you know, it's like the diversity quota at the United nations or something are the good guys. And I'm sorry, but it's very clear what you're doing because you're trying to paint a target on the back of straight white men in this country. And we're sick of it. And Charlie was sick of it. And we're done with it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you all.

[Mikey McCoy]

Thank you, Dino and Brady.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was a great question.

[Andrew Colvett]

But.

[Charlie Kirk]

But Snoke did kind of look like Joe Biden.

[Mikey McCoy]

That was the inside.

[Jack Posobiec]

A little bit. A little bit. A little bit.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, I mean, you got to give him that now.

[Jack Posobiec]

You gotta top the Star wars question.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Thank you so much for being here today. My Name's Blakely. I'm 13 years old. Charlie's death inspired my faith and my interest on growing academically on my own. Can you share with me how much.

[Mikey McCoy]

He read and how he retained the information he learned? Yeah, he read all the time. But actually something else Charlie did is especially on long flights, he would have his laptop open and he would be arguing with Chatgpt for like five hours. And he was like. I would say, what are you doing, Charlie? He's like, I'm practicing for the campus tours. And he would tell GPT. You know, pretend to be a purple haired lib at Berkeley. Let's argue. No, but he read a ton. And he Actually there's.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should see if we should get those chat logs or something.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, we should work on that.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should try to figure out how to get those.

[Mikey McCoy]

That'd be good at finding logs.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sam Altman. Sam Altman, if you're there. Well, you had your co Logs, right?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. We got Mike. Don't worry, folks. We checked out Mikey's call logs. He's clean. No calls to Egypt, no calls to Mossad, no calls to France. He's clean, folks. He's clean.

[Mikey McCoy]

He read a lot, though. Reading was super important. And so we Have a reading list online, too, of what Charlie liked.

[Charlie Kirk]

How did he retain good?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

How did he retain, like, what he.

[Mikey McCoy]

Read or what he learned?

[Jack Posobiec]

How do you retain low cost?

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, okay. A lot of people. Charlie didn't necessarily have a photographic memory, too, by the way, so he would just read a lot, and he took notes all the time. Everywhere he went, he had a notebook with him. And, like, if he was on this stage right now, he would be writing down stuff that he liked. He would star it, circle it. That was the best way for him to retain information.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I think all throughout Charlie's life and everything that I ever watched, he wrote down in lists and lists and lists, and he would cross through things every time. Big list person. So I think one of the best speeches at the memorial, which goes to reading, was Dr. Larry Arne. And he talked about when Charlie went.

[Jack Posobiec]

To him and he quizzed him.

[Mikey McCoy]

And at one point, Charlie kind of.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, froze, and he turned to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Him and said, what do I do?

[Charlie Kirk]

And I just think that Dr. Arne's response was pretty prophetic, where he was like, you got to read. And he gave them, you know, a.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bunch of things to start with the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Classics and then go into this.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I do.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think reading is such a. It's so easy to make the excuses.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like, no, we got to double down.

[Charlie Kirk]

You can't fake it till you make it. That's what the left does.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have to have a true belief.

[Charlie Kirk]

In what we're reading, and you have to dive deep to do that.

[Jack Posobiec]

So that was a great question.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Keep it up. Read a lot.

[Jack Posobiec]

Give it up for Cliff Maloney. Cliff, give everyone your coordinates, by the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Way, on X at Maloney. Love y'. All. Doors win wars.

[Jack Posobiec]

Doors win wars. The cliff's got a book coming out soon that's going to be absolutely fantastic. You got to check it out.

[Blake Neff]

Actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, do you know a man by the name of Blake Neff? Leave this open here. I wanted to leave one. Jack. Hold on.

[Blake Neff]

I was told you were saying mean things about my jacket. I heard you when I walked in.

[Jack Posobiec]

I didn't say anything mean about the jacket. Did you guys hear say me say anything mean about the jacket? No, see?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, I heard it.

[Blake Neff]

I heard it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no. It's fake news. Fake news.

[Blake Neff]

Trying to deny people the jacket.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was Mikey.

[Andrew Colvett]

It was Mikey.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, Mikey was doing Mikey.

[Charlie Kirk]

So.

[Blake Neff]

So I've got a Mikey problem now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, everybody's got a Mikey problem, Mikey. No, no, hold on.

[Blake Neff]

We're embracing confrontation at this am fest. Mikey, apologize to this jacket.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, I literally take you shopping because you have a bad closet. Blake, I'm not apologizing to you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Mikey's literally the one. He gave you all the closets too.

[Blake Neff]

Mr. Lord of the Rings is gay guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Everyone's folks. I. I did want to leave. We had it. We had the seat here but I wanted to make sure that we left this seat right here for the co host who isn't on isn't with us today. Charlie Kirk is on assignment right now, so he's not be able to join us. He's on assignment with God. Let's get to our next question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hi guys. My name's Liam. I'm all the way here from Florida. So I kind of linked up with Jack's brother before this and he kind of encouraged me to ask you guys. So thank you to him for that. I come from a military family. My grandfather was in the Vietnam war as a marine. My dad was in operation Desert Storm as a marine. So sometimes I struggle with the thought of imperialism and I think that sometimes we should be the world police because a lot of people do really bad things. But then also sometimes I think that we should let others settle their disputes on their own and kind of save our tax money for domestic problems. I just want to know what you guys thoughts are on that and what your advice is. For me, I have an immediate imperial thought. The first imperial thought that I have is that Arizona should own a lot more of Mexico and specifically Rocky Point.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we've actually talked about this on the show before. So people don't realize that America won the Mexican American war. The United States won. And originally the border between the US And Mexico was much, much different. Ladies and gentlemen, did you know that Charlie Kirk, like the rest of us agreed to. I think Arizona should have a beachfront. You know what I'm saying? You think Arizona deserves a beach?

[Charlie Kirk]

Who hears from Arizona? Why don't we have a beach?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, they just let them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Doesn't even make sense. Straight line that goes right across the Rocky Point. That place would be so much nicer. I mean, we.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ridiculous. It's totally ridiculous. Mike.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, Mexico can have Tucson and we get Rocky Point.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we. We train.

[Jack Posobiec]

What do we think?

[Charlie Kirk]

We trade south Tucson and we get Rock Point?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I want to. Let's, let's.

[Charlie Kirk]

I would keep going. I think we should take over all Baja. We could. We could conquer Baja California today.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, let me hear in one day. Let me answer this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Everyone here bearing arms could go take Over Baja California right now. I feel like one.

[Jack Posobiec]

Literally, we could take all of them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, thrown in jail, like, pretty much.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like all the guys at amfest, I think all of Baja California. What do you think, guys? Should we do it?

[Charlie Kirk]

So, in all seriousness, it's a very serious question. So, yes, there's some imperialism. That's great. Getting Mexico, Southern Cal, Baja California.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you're talking about something that's directly in America's interest.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. When it benefits America, we need to be imperialistic. When it doesn't benefit America, we need to get the heck out. Right. So, like, that's kind of my answer.

[Jack Posobiec]

My answer on all of that is America first.

[Mikey McCoy]

I am interested to see, though, by raise of hand, who in the room is America first? In America only. And who in the room is America first but not America only.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right.

[Mikey McCoy]

America first and America only. Raise your hand. America first and not just America only.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wow, that's quite the sweet split.

[Charlie Kirk]

Was it like 50? 50?

[Jack Posobiec]

Interesting split. Interesting split. No, I like that.

[Blake Neff]

And get in a giant pit and kill each other.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, yes, that's right. No, the pit is out back. So, look, when it comes down to it, I think one of the reasons that Trump won in the first place is this idea that America had become. Had suffered what many historic empires, as Blake knows, imperial overreach. And getting involved in every single dispute around the country, or, excuse me, around the world, is not what our founding fathers instituted America, as a limited republic, to be able to do. It was made for the benefit of the American people, for our prosperity, for our. For their. Their posterity as well. And so, no, that doesn't mean that we have to get involved in every dispute, whether it's Asia, whether it's South America, or, yes, even the Middle East.

[Blake Neff]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

Some things just aren't our job.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, thank you. I wanted to add just one more expansion on that, and then I kind of had your brother ask me a question in return. So what do we. Like, where do we draw the line? Right. Like in today, I know President Trump's doing a great job trying to hold other countries accountable when we're supplying them with guns and stuff for war and military supplies. Where do you draw the line for countries that sort of take advantage of us? Like, for instance, you could say Ukraine, where we give them our guns and then. Right, right. In return, they take them and sell them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, when I was in Ukraine in 2022, within a couple hours of traveling to Lviv, right after the war started, I even met people who Were selling American weapons right there in Kiev. And I was at this place and with some of the resistance guys, and they're saying, hey, if you give us some money, we can give you some. We can give you some ars and we'll send it. And turns out that he had actually, like, sold promised someone that he could get them ars, and he was trying to get me to pay for it because he had already spent the money. Totally corrupt. Just insane levels of corruption that were going on. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah, like, no, seriously. And Charlie got really mad because I went to Ukraine and didn't tell him I was going. And he was like, what do you mean you were in Ukraine all week? I was like, don't worry about it, dude. I'm fine. And look, where do we draw the line? We draw the line at saying it is stupid for the United States of America to back a losing war and a losing proposition. And it gets to the point where we need to put peace first and we need to solve our disputes with talk, with diplomacy and yes, maybe, and definitely leverage, but not with warfare.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you. Thank you, guys. God bless. Well, that. That brings up this idea, and this probably would be a fight with this guy. Do we. Do we like the UN or do we hate the un? Because I want to get out of the UN in the un it makes no sense. We could totally take it advantage of by the UN and the decisions that are made by the un.

[Jack Posobiec]

I say take it over.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that means the other thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Take over the building by force. Send in Seal Team 6. Let's get the next question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Baja California first or the UN Baja storm the cap. My name is Daniel. I'm from Jacksonville, Florida, and my question is related to immigration. There's been a lot of talk about it, such as the Hart Cellar act from 1965, and just a lot of discussion over it. Trump had even said he believes that we should bring more Scandinavians in. As someone who does actually have family from Sweden, my uncle, who's an American but has lived in Sweden for 20 years and has a family, is actually visiting. And the thing that gets me is that Europe today is just, say, not culturally or politically really similar to America. And Europeans, like, culturally are very different. Just as an example, like, a poll had showed that, like, 90% of Scandinavians oppose Donald Trump and think Kamala Harris would have been a better president. How do we go about immigration reform to ensure that we bring in immigrants that will actually benefit the country and will keep the country. America first and culturally conservative long term, even in Places that might be aesthetically nice, such as Sweden and Denmark and these other places, but culturally are like, to the left of Vermont.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, that's a great question, because there's a lot of foreign countries that are hostile to America. We don't have. We don't have a serious vetting system in our country. And so I think the real answer is, what's the best way to do? Shut down immigration until we can figure out what the hell is going on at our borders. We have so many migrants in this country. We have tens of millions that are here that came in under Biden that were not vetted at all. Some of them, by the way, who came out of Kabul that walk up to our soldiers and shoot them in the head right outside of the White House. You got this guy at Brown University who was on a green card and apparently just went on a killing spree to settle an old grudge, it seems like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Or.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, we don't really know exactly what happened there, but it's. It's. It's some. It's clearly something that's causing a major problem in our country. And we have way too many people that should not be here, period. And, what, 18 billion. The Somalis in Minnesota. You guys heard this. The Somalis in Minnesota, they come. They came up with a number. I believe the U.S. attorney just put it out yesterday. $18 billion scammed from this. That's just on the state level in Minnesota. $18 billion, ladies and gentlemen. They gotta go. They just gotta go. You gotta send them back. Re migration, reverse migration. This is the way. And once we get a handle. Once we get a handle on the people are here and the people who shouldn't be here, then we can talk about whether or not we want to reopen that aperture. I don't know. Do you guys want. Want to weigh in the autism?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, I'm literally doing the math on my phone here, because that's what I do, because I'm a crazy person.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, Blake Neff uses a calculator, just so you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So don't feel bad.

[Blake Neff]

So 18 billion divided by about 80,000 is how many of there are. That's $225,000 per person.

[Jack Posobiec]

$225,000 per person of the Somalians in Minnesota.

[Charlie Kirk]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And look, folks, when you. Here's what happens when you come from a culture that doesn't see anything wrong with scamming, with stealing, with lying. They will go to the government and claim that all of their children have autism. And then take every single dollar that's meant for actual special needs kids. And they will pocket it and will not feel bad about it at all. They will congratulate each other on how smart they were to bilk the US system and. And use our good nature against us. And every single one of them who did that should be arrested and deported immediately.

[Blake Neff]

Or they'll fake marry their brother so they can get a nicer apartment.

[Jack Posobiec]

Some of them even marry their own brothers to sneak into the country. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of any name.

[Blake Neff]

Some of them would even do that. And then run for Congress.

[Jack Posobiec]

Run for Congress.

[Blake Neff]

Speeches in a non English language about dedicating their congressional career to the well being of a country that is not America.

[Jack Posobiec]

Gosh, I just. I can't.

[Blake Neff]

Just hypothetically.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Folks, the system's completely out of control and we. I don't want to talk. The only immigration reform that we need to have is reforming the direction of the immigration from in to out. Thank you so much.

[Charlie Kirk]

We. So you're saying we need a total moratorium on people marrying their brothers and they're running from Congress?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes. Yes. Brother marriage.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack is calling for a moratorium on all brother marriage.

[Jack Posobiec]

Brother marriage, sister marriage, cousin, second cousin marriage, third cousin marriage, clan marriage, tri marriage, I'm a child marriage. I'm against it all.

[Charlie Kirk]

Folks, the point is you only get this stuff when you let crazy people into this crunch country. And that woman is a crazy person.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're not like folks.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're not like us. Right?

[Jack Posobiec]

Why are we even having these? What are we even doing here?

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Corby.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I am a conservative Christian mother of eight.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, let's go.

[Andrew Colvett]

Eight.

[Charlie Kirk]

More kids, more kids, more kids, more kids, more kids.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen, but grandkids, grandkids, grandkids, grandkids. We're getting there. We're getting there. Anyways, unfortunately, I live in the blue state of Washington, and our condolences. Being here has been very invigorating, and it's found. It's like I found, like, a home. Like, I can wear my hats. I can wear my shirt. You know, people say, nice shirt, nice hat, praise God, and it's wonderful. But I also have friends that are not Christians, and although I don't agree with everything I do, they're still loving parts of my life. Where can those friends fit into this organization? And where do they find their part here? And I also have a question about, like, the separation of church and state. Like, I understand that this is, like, a private entity, but it's also very political. And although I agree with it and it's my home, you know, where do you draw the line? And especially for the people that aren't of the Christian faith.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tyler, you want to take the first part?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I'll say this at Turning Point. What's a wonderful thing is that you can be pro a lot of things and not have to, like, rip each other's heads off about disagreements all the time. The vast majority of people, I think this has been demonstrated and discussed a lot, and Charlie said this all the time, is that, you know, America was founded as a Christian nation, that we are. We have Christian principles that enable this country to operate in a way that is accepting and loving of other people who don't necessarily always agree with our faith or what we are, what we stand for. But the moment you start to walk away from that is the moment that things start to fall apart and people start marrying their brothers to get citizenship, and then you. You have them run for God. You see what I'm saying? So we just wait. We just covered that pretty quickly. So you have a situation in America where you can be proud your Christian beliefs and faith and not have to run away from that. And that's the America that was founded, that was understood, that we. That the founders really had intended and not have to be at the throats of Other people who disagree, but lead by example and build a community that's going to be welcoming for everyone. And I think that's what we've got here, is a really welcoming community where I think everybody, no matter what your faith, religious background, you come in and hopefully you're having a great time here in America Festival. And I think that that's what. That's the environment you can create that really kind of allows for the original intent that the founders had to continue. The opposite of that, I would say, is that you can look at some examples that really aren't working. And Europe's a really good example of this where there's so much bending the knee to other people's cultures and other people's ideas that what's happened is that you don't have any identity any longer and violence ensues and anger and animosity ensue. And that's really a lot of what we're seeing across Europe.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you look at it too. You mentioned the separation of church and state. But here's something I found that's so interesting about this. Now, obviously that's not in our Constitution, that's not found in our founding documents. The First Amendment, the protection of religion enshrined in the First Amendment, was for the protection of the excellent exercise of religion so that the government couldn't stop you from exercising your religion and that we would not have a church of America the way that the Church of England had, the Church of England, which is now the Anglican, Anglican Church or the Episcopalian Church in America. However, I would posit that after the 1960s and the countercultural revolution or the cultural revolution took place in America, the sexual revolution, the atheist revolution, progressivism took hold. Isn't it interesting that there's only one religion that we're told is not allowed in the public square? We are told that the only religion that isn't allowed is the religion of Jesus Christ, the Ten Commandments, displays of the cross, nativity scenes in public. Every other religion, if it was Islam, they would say, oh, no, no, no, that's intolerance. But if it's Christianity, they say, get rid of it. Get it out of the public square. And I'm going to tell you something. If you're going to be a Christian in today's America, America, you must be a public Christian. We have to return Christianity to the public square. Charlie Cook served for that and he was exactly right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack. That's the Happy Holidays manifesto, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

Boo.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Merry Christmas.

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't have to mitigate your own faith. For someone else to feel like their faith is elevated. Does that make sense? Everybody here can practice their faith to the maximum capacity, and they should. Everyone should do that. And, you know, that's what America is all about, is everyone can go 0 to 60 on their own faith. That doesn't mean that you have to mitigate yours. And that's what the left wants. The left wants you to shut up.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

And I'll add to the point on separation of church and state. If the gospel in Christianity is objective truth, and it's the highest hierarchy of truth, you cannot separate truth from the state or anarchy. And lies and darkness will then take over where truth is the absence of it. And so in a world of lies and darkness, the truth is oftentimes not something that's popular. And so as Christians, we have a mandate and an obligation to bring that truth in that light into the darkest places in our nation, in our world. And it's oftentimes going to be really unpopular, really uncomfortable. And I mean, in Charlie's case, he was literally bringing the truth and the gospel to the darkest places, which is oftentimes college campuses. UC Davis, Berkeley. And so we have an obligation. We have to fulfill it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, thank you. Government is the darkest place.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

[Charlie Kirk]

College campuses are the reflection of the darkest places in America.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sir.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hi, I'm Eli. My. I have two questions. One is yesterday somebody brought up the attack on the USS Liberty, and what are your opinions on that? And then my next question is, how are Erica and her kids doing with Charlie?

[Jack Posobiec]

Sure. So as a Navy veteran, you know, I'll talk about the USS Liberty, and obviously it's, you know, it's something that we, as Navy veterans, as anyone who serves in the Navy, you learn about, you study, and you realize that we live in a serious world.

[Charlie Kirk]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's something that a lot of people in the Navy feel that we never really got full accountability for. Still have a lot of questions about the Navy investigation that was done and the official statements that came out. A lot of people said, you know, just doesn't feel like it's good enough. When you have a Naval. A ship flying the US Flag that's being attacked by a country that you are nominally supposed to believe is an ally. But one interesting piece on this that I've also heard from Roger Stone goes like this. So if you look at it, the Blake. When was the. When was the Gulf of Tonkin around?

[Blake Neff]

I think it was 63, 64.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, 63, 64 was Gulf of Tonkin. Then you have USS Liberty, which comes in 67. And so the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a situation where the president at the time lbj, used this sort of, like, fake hoax to get the United States involved in the war in Vietnam by claiming a ship had been attacked. Roger Stone says that he's got evidence that it was LBJ was trying to do the exact same thing with the USS Liberty to try to get the US involved in that war as well, to turn around and claim that it wasn't Israel that attacked, but that it was Egypt that attacked. So I think that's an interesting. That's an interesting case study, and it's something that I'd certainly like to look in a lot more myself. You mentioned Erica and the kids. You know, I talk to Erica pretty regularly, and she's. She's so strong. She's so incredibly strong. And I don't think. I don't think this amfest would have happened without Erica. I don't think it would happen without her strength and her being there as that central cornerstone, new cornerstone for the organization, the one that Charlie chose himself. I don't know, Mikey, if you want to speak on that.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, I mean, I was talking with Justin from our team at Turning Point USA the other day, and we were both like, we're so exhausted. It's been crazy. And then we were like, how is Erica still doing this? And it's honestly amazing what she's able to pull off, guys. This event, this coalition, the glue that Charlie was, Erica has fulfilled that. The absence that. That Charlie left behind, all while doing a million things, being attacked on social media, whatever it is. She is literally anti fragile. Like she is the. You attack her and she gets stronger, and it's beautiful. She's a representation of what young women and women in general should just strive to be. And to the USS Liberty thing, I'll just say this as a young person, okay? I. I wish more people in the conservative movement wouldn't lie about what happened that day. I think it was a U.S. ship. They were flying a U.S. flag. There was markings all over. Israel knew it was the US and they still attacked. And you can say that and still be pro Israel, but you can say a lot of time has passed, reparations are paid. But why do we have to lie about it as a movement? Just tell the truth.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's simple.

[Jack Posobiec]

So like I said, guys, any question? Was that good? Thank you very much. Merry Christmas. Who's next?

[Charlie Kirk]

Merry Christmas, kid.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Hello. Thrilled to be here. My name's Jan Grahak. And I'm from Spokane, Washington.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm Catholic.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I'm a.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, that's the good side of Washington. Wait, that's the red side of Washington.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Well, that's a little purple, but, yeah, we're trying.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, greater Idaho. That's what we want to make. Right.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I'm right next to Idaho.

[Jack Posobiec]

I say new state. Break it off.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what I'm saying. They want.

[Jack Posobiec]

They.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, new state.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, new state. See, look, look.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, sorry, I'm gonna step on my tangent.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is my thought crime tangent. All right, so people say, should. Should the conservative parts of blue states break off? Like California's got conservative parts. Oregon, Washington. Yes. Like western Maryland, should they break off and join red states? I say no, don't join red states. Form your own states. Because then you get. For every single state, you get a governor and two red senators added to the United States Senate.

[Charlie Kirk]

Two more. Two more.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we should. You got to be. So we need a new state between eastern Oregon, eastern Washington can create a form. A new state.

[Jack Posobiec]

State of Jefferson right there.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. You'd be down for that, right? Anyone here?

[Jack Posobiec]

New York.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Northern California. Northern California. We can turn that thing into Jefferson. It'll be so cool.

[Blake Neff]

I don't think you guys are gonna like. What happens if Trump learns about the fact that the annexation treaty with Texas includes the right for it to divide itself into five additional states without any approval from.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Texas isn't allowed to.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Anyway, my question for you today, first of all, I just wanted to make a comment. Charlie obviously picked all of you for a reason. You formed amazing friendships, business relationships, and.

[Charlie Kirk]

You'Re all godly men with families. And this is what needs to go forward.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

You have made being masculine really important. And for our boys, that is.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what makes society what it should be.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

My question, first of all, I am a Republican women's president of an organization of over 100, part of 66,000 women nationally that are part of the National Federation.

[Charlie Kirk]

We are looking.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

And this isn't just my club.

[Charlie Kirk]

We want to know who is going to be the voice of young women.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Or the face of young women coming forward.

[Jack Posobiec]

And who do you think you're looking at? Him right here. It's Blake Neff.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's got the hair for it, really.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's been doing push ups all week.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, this is piggybacking on the commentary that we just made a lot of us recognize that Charlie Kirk came and he brought the young man into the fold. Right, Erica? Kirk is here to bring the young women over over there. And this is important because we love our women at the National Federation for Republican Women. You do incredible work. But what we've noticed at Turning Point is when you start to change the dialogue with young people, it impacts upwards. And this happens a lot. Like, I see myself now. I've got a teenager, and when he's doing stuff, I start going, oh, that's cool. Now I guess I have to change what I listen to, what I. How I talk and things like that.

[Blake Neff]

You start us with being cool.

[Charlie Kirk]

You start to. You start to follow what younger people do kind of abnormally because it's trendy and it's cool, and that's what we see on tv, and that's what's interesting. And in media. The conservative movement has struggled for many, many years prior to Turning Point coming around because there just wasn't as much of a youth focus. What I love about this is we've got people of all ages that are here, but, like, this is a cool party where people are feeling like the conservative movement's alive and well and maybe a little bit cooler than it was 10 years ago. And that's really important for young men, but that's also really, really critical for young women that feel sometimes excluded in the conservative movement because things just don't feel cool. And when you look at Erica Kirk, she's a great example of everything that's cool. Being a mom, you know, standing up and being bold. Still on conservative principles, you know, being able to wear a dress, not having to walk around in a pantsuit like the left does. That's. No hate on pantsuits if you're wearing one, you know, don't start. Yeah, Erica wore a pantsuit.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wearing a pantsuit.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was a glittery pantsuit. It was a lot. It was a very glittery pantsuit.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, but to Tyler's point, for the first time in America Fest history, there are more women at this event than men.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you know that? Ladies.

[Mikey McCoy]

And that's not. That's nothing that men. That's just saying the Erica Kirk effect is real. And young women and women in general are listening to the.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, because every conservative event has always been like. There's, like. It's a really bad ratio for girls, and they don't show up. Now there's actually more girls here than guys. That's. You know, there's no reason. Go find your life partner, ladies.

[Jack Posobiec]

Blake is eligible. No, it's. It's true, though.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's.

[Jack Posobiec]

There have been. There have Been a lot of turning point couples and turning point marriages, and we're even getting to the era where we're seeing, like, turning point babies that have come about from those couples.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who's got a baby in the crowd? Lift it up.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have any babies? Any kids? Any parents brought their kids here? I see a couple. A couple hands right back there. There's one there. There's.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, there she is. There she is.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Hey.

[Jack Posobiec]

God. Merry Christmas. Look, we're raising them right, folks. We're raising them right. Charlie would have loved this. Charlie. And Charlie does love this because he's looking down, he's seeing it. He's seeing the baby boom. He's seeing it happening. That's what it's all about. So you asked about young men, and I'll close on this topic with this, is that I gave a speech recently in New York City where Zora Mandami is about to become the mayor in two weeks. I know, right? And I said, you know what struck me, though, is that Zora Mandami and Charlie Kirk are almost the same age. Actually, he's 34. And Charlie would have been 32 right now. And you look at the lives they've led, and they're completely different. One is a whiny, angry, parasitic, just nutjob who thinks that you should tear people down and tear systems down, take from others and give to yourself kind of guy. And that's the system that he's offering to young men.

[Blake Neff]

And he's a bad rapper.

[Jack Posobiec]

And he's a very bad rapper. And you look at what Charlie offered. You look at what Charlie offered to young men. Young men, if you want to find an Erica, then you've got to be a Charlie. And to young women, if you want to find a Charlie, you got to be an Erica.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right?

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's the examples that we should be using to push forward, to say, you don't have to be bitter and angry and go through life. And by the way, young white men in this country do have a lot of reason to be upset, because the entire system is against them, and we are going to be fighting that tooth and nail. But I promise you, there is a system that shows you a way forward, that you can get married, you can have kids, you. You put God at the center, and you don't need the lies of Marxism that are pushed by the likes of Zora Mandami.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you. Keep it up.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Give it up for our law enforcement.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you. Thank you. We love our police. Thank you. I know you do, Tyler. I know you do. More importantly, I'm a Christian. I'm also an unabashed conservative. And I tell you, a lot of. A lot of sworn police officers won't talk politics. I will. Because the left has attempted to systematically destroy law enforcement in this country. So if you're a cop, you got to get off of the couch. You got to get. You got to get plugged in. Jack, I want to thank you for continuing to shine light on the Derek Chauvin debacle and what happened to him from day one. You called it out. You said this is going to be a sham trial. And we're starting to find out. As the facts come out, more and more, you were correct. You've got leftist politicians collaborating with Minneapolis politicians to throw police on under the bus. You know, you hear the narrative. The knee on the neck. We're finding out that their own witness has confirmed the knee wasn't even on the neck. It was on the shoulder. So, Jack, my question to you is, you know, based on your analysis, what are the next steps? What can we do to continue to focus on that situation?

[Jack Posobiec]

I thank you for saying that. Ladies and gentlemen, can we give it up for Derek Chauvin, who is a political prisoner in this country right now? Oh, we've come a long way. We've come a Long way from. From learning that just because the media tells us something about a shocking video does not mean that it's true. And that's what Charlie always stood on. He stood on business. He stood on truth. And he said, we must have discernment. We must have discernment and not accept what the media sends us. Because we know and we've learned now it's all lies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Minneapolis police, she's exactly right. When they came out, the training officer, right. She lied on the stand and said that it was not an approved tactic that she had trained. They pulled out the manual and they said the tactic was in there. But then what happened? The judge didn't even allow that manual to be shown to the jury in Derek Chauvin's trial. That is a sham. That is not justice. What was done there was a miscarriage of justice. I believe that Derek Chauvin was wrongfully convicted. And there's now, and it's not just me, there's now over 50 current and former Minneapolis police officers that have come forward and stated that that was an approved hold by the Minneapolis Police Department. They all lied because they wanted to use Derek Chauvin as a scapegoat for the fact that the. That the officials of Minnesota like Jacob Fry and Governor Tim Walz and. And Attorney General. What's his name, Keith Ellison. Yeah. With his antifa book that Keith Ellison allowed the entire city of Minneapolis to burn down on their watch. And we are not going to drop this case. We are going to fight for justice for Derek Chauvin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, they rob. They rob the Cheesecake Factory.

[Jack Posobiec]

They bombed the Cheesecake Factory. Seriously. They burned down the third Precinct. So to answer to your question, a lot of people have said, does Derek Chauvin deserve a federal pardon? Now? Does he deserve one? Yes. However, I want to pause on that because I've spoken to some people that know the legal team there and they said they're not actually asking for a pardon right now. And here's why. Because he's in federal prison right now and they're worried that if they put him back into state prison where he was before, that they're going to kill him. That that's going to be a death sentence. That's. That's. So she's saying that Minnesota will treat him worse than the federal prison. And that's exactly what. What I was hearing as well from Alpha News and some of the people that have been working on the story directly and go shout out to Alpha News, by the way, the incredible Liz Collin Just go follow her. She's amazing. Documentaries, books on this, all the breaking news, it's all her. That's. I don't know anything. She's the one who just tells me. But. So I think the current fight right now is that we have to point out that that trial was a miscarriage of justice. That, and essentially get that declared null and void. Derek Chauvin deserves a new trial. It deserves a new trial.

[Charlie Kirk]

Briefly, two more things. My wife is in attendance. Kerry, she's a huge fan. Jack, can you give a shout out to my wife Carrie? And, and also can I, can I promote our local law enforcement Twitter account? Is that okay?

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. Hey, back the blue. We love our cops. Merry Christmas, guys. Merry Christmas, Carrie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Great question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Glendalfop12 thank you, guys. And everybody, everybody that's here needs to hear this right now. If you have family members just like David here, we need every police officer to step up and be a vocal conservative. They should. A lot of these guys serve in deep blue territory and so they feel like they can't talk. We as citizens have to support our police so vocally so they can get involved and say, you know, enough is enough. We can't have insane leftist politics enter all of these suburban cities.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, and if there's a war on police, then what's going to happen? Then you're going to have police officers that don't want to go into those dangerous situations when 911 is called. So when I say I support Derek Chauvin, that's not just because of Derek Chauvin as a person. That's because that's, that is supporting me and my family so that we're ever in trouble and we need to call a police officer that they know that they're walking into a situation where the society, where the laws, where the people have their back.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and Jack, suburban cities right now are getting assaulted with Soros, George Soros money to try to replace mayors and city council members who are defunding police across the country. This is happening in every suburban city that you think is Republican. Most of your cities that you live in. Who here lives in a suburban area? Raise your hand. Who here is, is in a rural area? The rural and suburban areas across America that have higher per capita, that have increasing. You have homes being built, they're already targeting you, trying to take out your city council members, replace them with squishy looking rhino looking real Democrats that are acting like they're claiming to be Republicans. And their whole goal is to defund the Police. You gotta stop it. You gotta knock. You gotta get involved. This is why at Turning Point Action, we talk about this in swing states, particularly places like here in Arizona. You have to know who your city council members are. You have to hold these people accountable and yank them out of office if they're not. Number one priority is defending you and defending your home.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's why you got to get active, folks, just like Charlie wanted. You got to get active, be the mayor of your territory. Sir.

[Andrew Colvett]

Hi, I'm Sean White.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm a part of the Turning Point Executive Board at James Madison University. I know I've got some other executive.

[Andrew Colvett]

Members spread out here somewhere.

[Jack Posobiec]

Congrats. Love the drip, by the way. He's got a crisis king. He's got a Jesus, Juan. I love it. I love it.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I know a lot of my friends and a lot of Christians have differing viewpoints on the death penalty.

[Andrew Colvett]

So why should I, as a Christian, support.

[Charlie Kirk]

And how do we justify the death penalty and the taking of a human life?

[Blake Neff]

I think it's a valid debate. And I think a lot of us have gone back and forth. I know Charlie went back and forth on it. I've gone back and forth on it myself. And it's understandable. As Christians, we are supposed to embrace mercy. We are supposed to forgive those who persecute us. And the death penalty seems greatly intentioned with that. But it also says in the Bible that those who hold power, they wield the sword for a purpose, and they should wield it justly.

[Mikey McCoy]

When.

[Blake Neff]

When Jesus meets with the Roman soldiers and he tells them what to do, he doesn't say, don't enforce the law. Don't kill people. He says, don't approach, oppress people, don't extort them. Be content with your wages. And what we have to recognize is that there is a difference, that when the state, when the government enforces its laws, it is not acting as an individual seeking vengeance. It is not acting. It is not enacting revenge. It is enacting justice in the place of a king, essentially. And one aspect of justice may actually have to be to use lethal force on someone who is a sufficiently deadly or destructive cancer on a society. And I think we can recognize that in the case we're all thinking about right now that if we have something like political assassinations in our country, people who would destroy our country by destroying people they disagree with, it's completely fair for the government to look at that and say, say that act is so heinous, so unacceptable, that anyone who commits it will be torn out of our society like the cancer that they are, before they infect the rest of it, before they destroy our society. And I think that's a completely just take on the most heinous crimes in our society.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is, and Charlie himself famously, I'll paraphrase it, but Charlie said, and I post this every once in a while, that the death penalty isn't pro death, it's actually pro life because it values the life of the victim. It values the life of the victim and it shows that that person's life had value. It shows that society believes that that person's life had value. And I personally believe that Charlie Kirk's life had value. And I also believe that there is a debt that needs to be paid, not just for Charlie, but for Erica, for the children, for every single minute and moment that was torn and stolen from them, their entire lives, who are not going to be having their dad home for this Christmas or any Christmas ever again. And to Blake's point as well, when you commit a political assassination and kill someone who is in the conduct of, of participating in free speech and free political dialogue, the bedrock of our society, then you have attacked our society itself. And as a society, we have a governmental administrative duty to correct that cancer and tear it out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack, did you know this? There are millions and millions of dollars spent every year of liberal lunatic organizations trying to. To eradicate the death penalty. Well, yes, I agree, it's insane. So the question you have to ask yourself, why are there tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars being spent worldwide to try to promote the elimination or eradication of the death penalty? The quick answer is, is that the left wins when they know chaos can ensue when the death penalty no longer exists. Just like was said by Blake, just like was up here by Jack, if we allow the most heinous crime to occur in this country with absolutely no penalty up until death, the left wins and they will sow chaos across the state. So now you look at this and you go, and I want, I think about this. Why would anybody insert themselves to try to eliminate the possibility of the death penalty in any circumstance where you have that heinous crime? It's just a really interesting thing to look at in the future because I think this country is going to be under assault, particularly in the next few years here, where they're going to try to block that from happening. We're going to see that because that's a muscle that the left is trying to flex to sow more Division and chaos across America.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. And I'll just add, at the memorial, you obviously saw Erica portrayed as a forgiving saint, which is what you see in Romans 12, where God says, vengeance is mine, says the Lord. But then in Romans 13, after Erica got off stage and Trump came on stage, you saw Trump playing out Romans 13:13, which is, I will appoint ministers of justice. And so it's really hard. And even Charlie kind of went back and forth on it. I've gone back and forth on it. Takes a lot of strength to be Erica, but, I mean, I like to see a certain person dead with the death penalty, I'll say that.

[Blake Neff]

But it's, you know, it's an important difference, actually. I think if you look at traditional Sharia countries, for example, they'll actually, what punishment you want is placed on the victim or the family of the victim, and they have that choice. And I think it's actually an important difference that in Christian society, we do not foist that burden onto the victims of an offense where you force them to have to choose between, you know, mercy and justice. That is why we have the state wielding the power that it does. We should not ask Erica Kirk to decide what the penalty of her husband's assassin is. That is not just to her, and it's not just to our society. It is the role of the sovereign, the government, the state, to enact justice on behalf of the people.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think that's right.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the determination is that it's the state.

[Jack Posobiec]

If this is biblically ordered, wield the sword, but wield it justly little.

[Blake Neff]

Chelsea.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks, man. Good question.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, guys, I. And I'm just gonna say shout out, because they're not gonna say it, but Blake and Mikey were there. All right, you see, the tent is right over here. That's the tent. That is not like some facsimile or, you know, setup kind of thing. That is the tent. And might want to put some stanchions around that, by the way. But. But that's the actual tent right there. And Blake and Mikey, they're sitting here, they're talking about this. They've been soldiering on, but they. They didn't watch this on video. They were there standing feet away, steps away, and they've still been here at work, fighting hard, fighting for the mission every single day. So I just wanted to. To raise them up for a second.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because they. They've been phenomenal, phenomenal conspiracy theorists today. Will. Will, comment on your trans shirt. So.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's a nice shirt.

[Blake Neff]

Sir.

[Andrew Colvett]

All Right. My name is James Shirley. I served with 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is there any more Marines in the house? So I have sort of a simple question and Charlie was all about solutions. So I have a solution to pitch. How can we really be truly America.

[Andrew Colvett]

First if we're not putting our veterans first?

[Charlie Kirk]

Our children need real role models to.

[Andrew Colvett]

Look up to and we don't need.

[Charlie Kirk]

Any more instances like happened at that Mormon temple that Iraq veteran could have been reached.

[Andrew Colvett]

So the solution that I'm proposing as.

[Charlie Kirk]

A coalition between recruiters, Student America, Club America, Turning Point, and hold those recruiters, hold colleges accountable that target veterans and sell them a lie for a degree that will get them nothing.

[Andrew Colvett]

I work for Boeing currently.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not proud of it. I'm also not proud to be a WSU graduate and alumni because that college wasted the majority of my GI bill on a degree that got me nothing but $0.20 dollar more an hour. If we can't reach every veteran through Christ, we can at least save them from themselves.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, well, I mean, as, as I think the only veteran up here, you know, I'll just say, Tyler, what do you think? Turning Point Veterans Coalition.

[Charlie Kirk]

We've talked about it for a long time.

[Jack Posobiec]

I brought it up before. Tyler, I have brought this up.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'll tell you this. Our veterans are being taken advantage of left and right, you know, starting with the government because we just do not do enough. And it's a, it's a, it's a back and forth teeter totter between Republicans and Democrats. You know, not getting things done, not taking care of the hospital system, not making sure that they get the healthcare that they need to start with. That's without, without question. But I think here, I mean, we love our veterans here. Right, thank you. That we got to talk a lot more about it. Because the first thing, this is why I love the President's agenda and this is why this is so important and we got to talk about this more often, was putting veterans first was at the forefront of this last election because unfortunately, if we had not won this last election right now, we would be at war without question. We would be, you know, I, I speak a little bit of Russian. I would already be gone. I would be, I'd be a goner for sure. Like they would, they would have thrown me up at the front of the line. Trust me, Republican, you know, all that. They would have thrown us at the front line. They, this is, this is where we have to, especially as a movement that is driven by young men at this point, we have A lot of young men that came to their senses this last election. We have to not abandon our military because we're not supporting crazy leftist war games that are out there. And so there is a happy medium that's there to talk about and Jack can talk about this at length. There needs to be an advocate there that's, that's protecting us from trauma. That's unnecessary. We have to protect. We have to. I totally agree with President Trump. We have to make our military as strong as possible, which means that we have to make those that fight for us as strong as possible.

[Andrew Colvett]

Amen.

[Charlie Kirk]

Strength through peace and then strength through peace and not. And not get into battles that we don't need to be in.

[Jack Posobiec]

What do you think, folks? Turning Point veterans? Should we start it up? I love it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love it.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, a key part of that, a key part of that I would add, and I just, I would just add, is that, Tyler, what Turning Point veterans could also do. You mentioned about helping them get into schools and obviously. And when there's issues with the schools, but also helping veterans make the transition from, from the military to the private sector. Because we should not have a single unemployed veteran or homeless veteran in this country. And I'm sick to death of us spending so much money on illegal aliens when there are veterans who need it first.

[Charlie Kirk]

And if I could, if I could caveat that we don't need students deciding they're called to serve and going to serve then having no plan for the rest of their life. They need to be God centered. Well. And I'll tell you what, I would love to hire every veteran in this room to help us chase ballots. You come out, you come out of the military, you go straight into the front lines of protecting this country. That's going to also help cyclically develop that. So that's a good point. A part of this is Turning Point action has leaned in on the veteran element a little bit. We need to do a lot more, but a little bit. And key targets.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm here for it. I'm ready to go table like Charlie did.

[Charlie Kirk]

Swing state. We got to win. We have to win and keep this country in good shape so we can protect ourselves and protect our veterans. I had a coworker at work tell me that what I wanting to do is potentially more dangerous than what Charlie was doing. And I just looked at him, I said, that's the point.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you so much. Great question.

[Charlie Kirk]

God bless you. God bless our veterans. Thank you for your service.

[Jack Posobiec]

God bless. Merry Christmas.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way. I Don't know if you guys know this, but you're guys. You guys are going to see the 48th president in the state. 48 here pretty quick.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. That guy was a. Tyler, wait. Mark Kelly's coming.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh.

[Jack Posobiec]

Aoc. AOC is going to be here.

[Charlie Kirk]

No. Mark Kelly's such a wuss. He wouldn't show up here and debate Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I told him because he got all mad at me because. Because I was the one who broke the story that it turns out that his little seditious Six rant was actually a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

[Andrew Colvett]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And because he's getting a military pension, his investigation has now been raised to the command level of the entire Department of War. So he's freaking out. He said, oh, no. Oh, no. And I said, mark Kelly. Mark Kelly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fine.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you want to be a man, you want to be a man, you could go to outer space. Well, if you can go to outer space, then you can come face me here in Phoenix, Arizona, at amfest. So, Mark Kelly, I'm going to be here all weekend, man. I'm calling you out.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

We.

[Andrew Colvett]

We.

[Charlie Kirk]

We put him on stage, right? What? Who would like to see Mark Kelly debate Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Louder, Louder. I'd like to see Mark Kelly debate Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's not gonna like. He's not gonna like it when I bring up all the money he's made from those Chinese spy balloons. Oh, he's not gonna like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know why Mark Kelly can't hear you right now? Because he's actually from Houston, Texas. He's not here in the state of Arizona. He can't hear you outside these doors.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, let's go to our question.

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Robert Albatel, and I come as the sole representative of the Turning Point chapter at the University of South Carolina.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Gamecocks. Yeah. So, bit of context before I ask my question. My parents immigrated here legally from an Eastern European country known as Romania. And it was part of the Soviet, you know, Union, the Eastern bloc. And they immigrated here for, you know, me and my sister to have a better life. Right. As many people do. And so I. When they were growing up, they had to deal with. Because it was a socialist country, they had, you know, bread lines that were only open certain hours. And you had, like, tickets. It was essentially rationed. You had. If you even had a car, you would only be able to drive on certain days based on which group you had. You know, my mom, who watches your show every day, and her Sister, my aunt considered cocoa powder to be, like, a luxury item equivalent to gold. Meanwhile, the president, Nicolao Ceausescu at the time, who was arguably worse than Joseph Stock. Stalin, was having the heaviest building in the world, and the second heaviest building, superseded only by Buckingham palace, and had hundreds of billions of dollars to be built for him to live in. And so when I look at that.

[Jack Posobiec]

I've been in that building.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's a great place to visit. I've been there, too, but, you know, it shouldn't be. Are we talking about. Yeah, I got lost in there once. It's a whole story.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I would totally get. This is Romania, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I got. I got lost in that place. Did you know they, like, eliminated, like, half the city to build that thing? They, like, just, like, ran over people's, like, you know about this, right? They just, like, got rid of, like, people's entire house. Like, just, like, ran over villages to build that thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

And communism sucks.

[Charlie Kirk]

They, like, knocked your houses, like, what was this your house? They, like, shot him on the spot. Just, like, ran it over. And they built the palace on top of it. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

But then they did.

[Mikey McCoy]

So communism is terrible.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. We also had, like, a big manufacturer. Anyways, you have a question? Yeah. So looking at that, and when I see socially being not only advocated for, but also enacted in places like New York with zoron. Pay for me so I can give you free stuff. Mom. Donnie, you know, I look at that, I think, oh, my goodness, the American dream is under attack. I might not be able to live through it as someone who is Gen Z. And so I got to ask, you know, what can we do as a country to ensure that, you know, the youngest generation of voters coming in now will be able to experience owning a home, having a family, and, you know, experiencing the American dream?

[Blake Neff]

Let's go with.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go with Mikey on this one. Mikey, why is it that you're starting to see this level of support for socialism Marxism among Gen Z. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why do you support Zoran?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

By.

[Blake Neff]

Explain yourself.

[Mikey McCoy]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why are you such a zoron, Stan? Yeah. Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, there's radical problems facing young people. We're in the same generation. We can't buy a house. We have crippling student debt. We may not be able to afford a family one day or have kids or live out the American dream that our parents lived out. So we're asking ourselves, what are we going to do? And so we're turning to radical solutions, which is Zoran Mamdani. And so Erica talked about this in a great speech recently where she said the government is replacing husbands for women. And you saw that in New York, where 80%, where 80%, over 80% of women voters in New York City voted in massive numbers for Zohran Mamdani. And so New York City is kind of like this petri dish of what our entire nation is going to be facing here in the next decade, which is rents out of control, not being able to afford a home, still paying off debt, credit card debt like crazy for young people. And then young women not wanting to get married, young men not also pushing off marriage until as far late as they possibly can. And so you're turning to radical solutions instead of turning to hard work. But at the same time, we talked about veterans. Young people are, we want to help veterans, but young people, at the same time, we're saying to ourselves we want to kind of turn our stance on foreign policy. And we have a very different stance on foreign policy than what our older colleagues have. And we just are kind of sick of sending foreign aid to countries that don't necessarily need it. Because from the time we were born, there's been a conflict in the Middle East. From the time we were born, we've been seeing wars that the US has been involved in, and we don't want to see it anymore. And we want to see opportunities for young people to even get a job. By the way, young people can barely get jobs. And we also want to see veterans being taken care of. But when we talked about America first in America only versus America first in not just America only, this is something that young people have a radical stance on because we're fearful feeling it the most intimately. These are massive problems for us.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you want to know the reality? Zora Mamdani is actually a really scary mofo. And the reason why is because a lot of young people see him like they saw Obama. And we even said this because the night that the debate happened, we did an after debate thought crime episode and we talked about this. Who here watched the debate, the Mamdani debate? Not that many. Go back and watch it. I mean, the guy is pretty slick. Like, he talks. He talks really. He's a smooth talker. And that's exactly what unfortunately most of people want. They want to be told stuff, even if it's not true. And the fact of the matter is, is all commies are lying to you. You all the time. If there's a person that's lying to you and you can tell, you know Your best friend. This the next time they lie to you is they're most likely a Marxist. That is how they're taught. I mean, this is basically what we're being taught in school at our public universities. People are being taught to be Alinskyites, that you're supposed to be okay with the rules for radicals, that these people are being taught. And you're supposed to just dumbly take it and bend over and take it and then be like, oh, but Mamdani looks okay and he has a well trimmed beard. And I'm sure he's not the worst, you know, and it's because of Trump, you know, member of the Islam faith that I've ever met. But the reality is this, is that the guy's a Marxist and he doesn't care about you as an individual. You know, who cares about you as an individual? The guys who wrote the Constitution of the United States of America. That's individualism. And if we don't get serious about it, you're gonna have smooth talking Mom Donnies pop up in every single city. And everyone's gonna be like, holy crap, how did this happen? Like overnight? Because they carbon copy and do this the thing over and over again. So this is why it's important. Every person here, you got to get involved politically. You can't sit back and just be like, I'm gonna let somebody else do it. You gotta take out the guys that. And this is how Charlie Kirk came to be. I don't know if you know this story, guys. The story of Charlie Kirk is that the guys in Chicago felt so bad about not stopping Barack Obama from rising up, that Charlie Kirk was born and guys in Chicago all got together and they supported a kid who was the most genius kid that had come come around the block in 2012. That's the story. And I'll tell you, I've talked to some of these guys that supported Charlie early. There's a lot of them that are here. They feel really bad that they didn't stop Barack Obama when they could have. He never should have been a state senator to a U.S. senator. You have to defeat these people at the state legislature level. You have to defeat these people at the city council. You cannot let these Marxists become your school board members. If you do that, you win. If you stop them, we win stop them early.

[Mikey McCoy]

And by the way, why Charlie was so amazing to young people is he saw things in us that we didn't even see in ourselves. Charlie hired me when I was 18 years old. He saw students as the opportunity to America, not the problem to its future. And Marco Rubio said this at his memorial. He was like, when I found out, Charlie, I said, what are you doing? He said, going to college campuses talk about freedom and conservatism. He said, that's a terrible idea. People thought he was crazy. But look where we are today. And so Charlie's not here, right? But our movement is. And so we have so many students. And so if you know a young person, tell them to get involved with the Turning Point chapter or to start a turning point chapter, because we need to carry this torch, we need to carry this legacy. And unfortunately, the pull yourself up by the bootstraps analogy doesn't really work anymore for young people. And we need to just make it ourselves.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Alright, thank you, guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

Give it up for Mikey McCoy, folks.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Andrew Colvett is in the house. Producer Andrew is here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Where you been, Andrew?

[Jack Posobiec]

What's up, Andrew?

[Charlie Kirk]

Andrew, what have you been doing?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, where, where were you? You literally, like, we started like an hour ago and you're late. Explain yourself.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's that whole thing where Arizona doesn't change time. I got my time zones mixed up again. Time zones are undefeated. There's a lot of people here. Geez Louise, you guys stay around for these guys. All right, let's go to the question.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

My name is Jude Kohut and my question is why do. Why does the world want me to Believe in the tooth fairy. If they don't believe in Jesus Christ.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'll answer. I'll answer. It's very quickly. It's very simple. Because they won't believe in the tooth fairy. And they'll tell you the tooth fairy is not real because the tooth fairy only offers them money. But Jesus Christ will offer eternal life in heaven for those who believe in him. And that is something that terrifies people who refuse him. Terrifies him.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you. Merry Christmas.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got a great kid. Merry Christmas, kid. Keep it up.

[Jack Posobiec]

He just came up here and mogged everybody by answering the. Asking the best question we've had the entire time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, what's your name? What's that kid's name? What's your name?

[Jack Posobiec]

What's his name? June. I love your song, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

Crowd surf that kid across.

[Jack Posobiec]

Great Beatles song. Jude's Going Places. Yes, please.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Hi, my name is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Crowd surf him all the way to Patriot.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Washington State. As a couple of the other questions.

[Blake Neff]

Washington State here.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I know. I'm surprised, pleasantly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, who hears from Washington State? Wow.

[Andrew Colvett]

I did go to the University of Washington, so Go, Go, dogs.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

No, no, no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you're from the blue side.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

No, I'm from the. Yeah, I'm from the blue side. I'm from, like, a little bit south of Seattle.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it's.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

It's rough there a little bit. But my question is. So I'm 28 years old. I'm kind of in that stage of life where, like, you're done with school. I have my degree. I started a career in graphic design. I work for my church. And with Charlie Kirk's passing, it just kind of hit something with me. Like, I want to be doing more, obviously, like, not in the stage of life where I'm married, having kids, and I go through this thought pattern of, like, what would be the most effective way to use my time? Obviously, like, you'd think working for a church, I feel like I'm, like, doing something for the Lord. But I just, like, I want to reach people. And so my thoughts, like, do. Do I stand on a corner and, like, preach the gospel? Do I, like, try to get hired at Turning Point? Do I, like. You know, I guess I'm just asking, like, what in your advice would be, like, the most effective use of time for a young adult who's in a stage in between school and family?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I'll tell you, from an activism standpoint, you've got two things that you can do that we provide at Turning Point that are really helpful on the faith. Side. So tpusa Faith, if your church is involved in all of that, that's great. I highly recommend it. If that's your line. Right. If that doesn't fit for you, for whatever reason, at Turning Point Action, we can use your help a few hours a month, A few hours, really a year to get involved. You're busy, you're starting a life. You've got work, you've got kids, you got family, you've got whatever that you're starting. It's really hard if everybody just donated somewhere in the realm of two to three hours a month just to get involved politically. You can do that. You can do that. TPaction.com Here in Arizona, like you're in Washington. You could come down here next year when we have our midterms. Your help in specific places for midterms is going to be really important. We had thousands and thousands of people come to Arizona last year for the election. Who here came as part of our ballot chasing? Did anyone here. Do any ballot chasers here? Anyone that came down to Arizona or volunteered from where you're at?

[Jack Posobiec]

I see them.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're there. We have.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait. Do we have any future ballot chasers here?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Who's going to go?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's everybody. That's everybody.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, like, so you can plan that ahead, right? Like next October, come down to Arizona, help us win the governor's election here, where you may not have that opportunity in Washington or somewhere else. Right. So that's how the left works and they operate and get people involved. But you can contribute back and feel like you're involved with this bigger. You know, I mean, you can get this feeling, you know, every election of being around good people that you agree with.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's that that is the correct political answer. But on a personal side, I'll just say this. Be a rebel. Start a family. You will find no greater joy in life than getting married, having children and bringing kids into the world. There is nothing better. No speech I've ever given, no event I've ever been to. Nothing compares to just being with your kids and having them and raising them in every minute of it. Truly.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Amen to that. How old are you? Did you say?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

28.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay. So, yeah. And you said your career is graphic design and you're busy with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I mean, well, to be honest, I actually just put in my two weeks because of that feeling of like, I need to close the door on this and just open myself up for what else God has for me. So I'm really in a Place of just like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, wait, you. Did you just put in your two weeks?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I did.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you want to be a graphic designer for Turning Point?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Yes, I do.

[Charlie Kirk]

There you go. And I'm pretty sure we have. I mean, we. You haven't been to our office. You have to move to Arizona and be a graphic designer here. But we'll take you.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I will say Charlie was very proud of how many, like, marriages and babies had come out of the extended Turning Point family. So. So maybe you could kill two birds with one stone. Come to Arizona.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

All right, thank you so much.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake's also single.

[Andrew Colvett]

Next question.

[Charlie Kirk]

This guy. Don't worry about the trans shirt. It's okay.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you. Next question.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're serious about that. If you go to the Turning Point action booth, say, hey, guys, over the Turning Point action booth, we're sending a graphic designer. So just get, hey, give them, give them your info. We're gonna hire you.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, what's your question?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Hi, my name is Christy. First, I want to thank all the people behind me who allowed me to come up to ask this question. I am a first generation stateside born Puerto Rican. I am. I was very proud to hear the gratitude to the Latino community for getting Trump in. However, my heart grieves for the disconnect found within the black and brown Christian conservative churches and communities. As our country continues to grow with greater black and brown Christian people who do like to have big families and are very family oriented, I believe that there is a significant harvest. I was excited to find the Turning Point USA rise table. But from what I see, I'm wondering if there's more that can be done to reach these Christian conservative communities because there is such a political disconnect between conservative being conservative politically and their religion and being a Christian. So I guess two things I want to encourage for there to be more for the Christian, brown and black communities. And I didn't know if you guys had anything off the, off your cuff that you. That's in the works right now to reach those families and those that young population.

[Andrew Colvett]

So are you saying that you see an opportunity? It's hard to hear up here. You're saying there's an opportunity that you see with black and brown Christian community to reach them more, to become. To vote conservative, Is that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

To vote correct. Politically, they're not conservative. Politically, they are so liberal and they don't. They don't see.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, you're right. They're socially conservative and politically liberal. It's very strange. But yeah, it's A total disconnect. I mean, that's why we have rise. Right. That's growing leaps and bounds. We have people in chapters in all 50 states and they're at all the HBCUs, they're in Hispanic communities. So it's a growing part of our organization, a growing part of our focus. Absolutely. We're pouring more resources into that. I will just say that, you know, we're seeing gains there, especially with young. I would say the divide is about like 40, 45 years old, 50 years old, of African American men, Hispanic men that are not as linked to kind of the civil rights era of the past and they're way more open to conservative ideas. Donald Trump has totally opened the door, honestly, for conservatism with those communities because he just comes at it from such a brash new approach. Listen, it's going to be an uphill battle, but like, you know, one of the political facts that people don't appreciate is that if you got 25, 30% of the black vote in this country, not to mention the Hispanic vote, you would basically derail the national political prospects of the Democrat Party forever.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. You wipe out. Yeah. Now you'd wipe out the Democrat Party.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. They would be pretty much toast. I would just say, you know, Hispanics came our way a lot last time, but that's not written in stone. We're already losing that vote again right now. So we're back to being behind. So we need to win that vote. They tend to, here's what I would just say as well. They love immigration policy that is strong, that is masculine, that is going to protect the homeland. They don't want to live in a crime ridden society either. They don't want to live in a crowded society. They don't want to live in a dirty society. So the Hispanics love a good immigration message. So I just want to challenge anybody out there that thinks they are going to win over Hispanics with like an amnesty appeal. It's not going to happen. So listen, we're making progress, but ultimately it's going to be economics and border, law and order.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can I tell you what Charlie would say? Charlie would say, go back to church, start that. Right. We have so many young men that have written in that are from all sorts of communities, but also the Hispanic community and the black community that they hadn't been to church in a really long time with their families that said, hey, they wrote in, we got thousands of these that said, this is the first time I've been back to church for real in a Long time. And they've stuck with it. We tell people this all the time. You don't have to be good at going to church, but encourage those men, in particular, young men who have never been, who. It might feel weird because they've never been. They never were. Maybe even raised in a home where they had that opportunity to go to church. If you're a friend that has been to church and you see a friend that hasn't been, bring that guy to church. Show them. Or girl. But what I'm saying, we're talking about young men. This is the moment that. This is the moment in history right now where we could make massive gains. And showing people, hey, this is the right track to building a family and get politically on. You just show up, we just go.

[Andrew Colvett]

We do need revival in the black church, though, honestly.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

Well, and when Charlie Kirk passed, I was attending. I was a member of a 100% black conservative Baptist church. And when that happened all over place, the social media, we were being told, if your church does not mention Charlie Kirk, leave the church. And that Sunday, I sat in the. In the pews, very nervous. It's a long story, but the Lord made it clear, no one is going to mention Charlie Kirk. So you do it. And I walked to the front by myself and I. And I lifted up his name and I asked for prayer.

[Andrew Colvett]

God bless you.

[Audience Member / Questioner]

The church was shocked. They were shocked. And later, they silently said, thank you. Thank you. But be the difference is what I'm saying. Don't run away from those tough situations. Step up and. Because it can be done. Thank you so much for your time. You guys have a wonderful day.

[Andrew Colvett]

Next question.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think we're out of question. That was our.

[Blake Neff]

That was our final single one.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, you're the second person that has said that. What you mean, like, you just. Oh, do you want the AI, like, translation?

[Audience Member / Questioner]

I want his translation for all his speeches.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to do that for the. You mean the catalog? All right, noted. You're the second person that said that to me. Jack, why don't you take us home?

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's not just Spanish, it's every other language. But here's the fight. You know, Charlie Kirk, Urdu. Yeah. Well, this is. This has been the battle. You can. You can produce content. So there's a lot of conservatives that actually fight over this because they're like, why are you producing that in Spanish?

[Andrew Colvett]

Right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because it's like, this is an English country. Forcibly, it is okay to produce conservative content in Spanish that tells people to Also learn English. Right. Like it's. That's a good thing. Right. And so this is one of the things, we've been in this debate for a long time with a lot of people. And I'm not saying you said this, but I'm just bringing this topic up. It is. Okay. We have a lot of pockets in America because of rampant immigration issues. Right. Whether it's illegal or legal in America that are never going to hear or understand the topics that are at hand if you don't speak to them and meet them at least half halfway. And I. So I totally agree. I think we should. We should do those things in those communities so that people can hear the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Time for one more question. Quick one. Quick one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I had a question. I'm. My name is Ace Utic and come.

[Jack Posobiec]

Real close to the mic.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, and I'm from Alaska and.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh yeah, my question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Love Alaska and the last state. And it's kind of more of a statement slash question. It's. Everybody thinks that Alaska is like a big red state and it's not. It's starting to turn very blue. It's becoming a swing state. We have Mary Patola in Congress now and that should not be the case. We have Lisa Murkowski, who is basically a Democrat. And if we have three senators, two senators that are making the difference, the turning the tide in the Senate right now, I feel like there should be way more investments and resources into Alaska and considering it more as a swing state. That way we can make sure it is red for a long time.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tyler, I know you were going for it. How do we fix Alaska?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you know why Alaska's like most recently screwed up, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

Rank choice voting.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rank choice voting is the worst. Everybody here needs to know it. You need to tattoo it on yourself. No to ranked choice voting. California and Washington and so many other states. So many other states got screwed up because of a top two primary system. They screwed with the elections and that's what drove your state deep blue. Guess what the new thing is. So that was so unpopular, they're not going to ever pass that in another state. The top two primary system, that. But now California and Washington are screwed up permanently because of that. The new thing is ranked choice voting. And they're not trying to produce ranked choice voting in deep blue states. They're trying to institute it in red states like Alaska. And then what happens? You elect Democrats through the system. And I could get into all the details of why. What's important is that everybody here is a warrior. Leaves this place and goes ranked choice voting is not going to enter my state ever.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Alaska. Alaska has to fix this. Get rid of it. It's true. You got to get rid of ranked choice voting to turn back the clock. And it's still within the time period. I think you can do that. We're working on it. But they worded it really weird where it's like, vote no if yes and vote yes if no. And so it didn't pass, and now it's gonna. It's on the ballot again. It's horrible. And Lisa Murkowski is a total Democrat. It's insane that you have to deal with that. But that's the only way she survives now is you get people who act like Democrats and ranked choice voting, and that's it. They're frauds. Appreciate it.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks. Unfortunately, unfortunately, that is going to have to close it out for Thought Crime Live. Thought.

[Charlie Kirk]

You should do a Charlie chant irl.

[Andrew Colvett]

We will.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hold on. And we have right here the original four guys on thoughtcrime Live that we used to do the show every Thursday with our good friend, and he's not here right now because he's on assignment. He's on permanent assignment with God. I like to think that Charlie's got the nine to noon hour, and then rush, of course, is noon to three up there in heaven every single day. And we're going to continue this fight. We're going to continue this show. We're going to continue all of this in Charlie's honor. And I hope that all of you will continue to do what Charlie would say at the end of every single Thought Crime episode. Go out there and commit Thought Crime. Charlie. Charlie. Charlie. Charlie. For more on many of these stories.

[Charlie Kirk]

And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.