E (2:04)

Nicholas Maduro. Oh.

B (2:12)

On Thought Crime. Well, this is quite a surprise. How do we refer to you? Ex president, former president. Do you. Do you still identify as president?

E (2:22)

I a decent man and I innocent. And President Trump allowed me to do one podcast and he said I can do it. They talk crime and I get taken from my house in Venezuela and he taking me here and I do one podcast, a talk crime.

B (2:48)

Well, we certainly straightforward Enough that. Mr. President. Now, now, Mr. President, what do you. What do you say to these allegations that it was your own government that handed you up, that it was your own vice president and your own security forces that basically wanted to get rid of you and Sold you out to the Americans.

E (3:06)

No, they lying about me. I don't do nothing wrong. I is a do I number one president in South America. Trump take me for no reason and I give it the good oil to the wrong people and he get upset at me for what? Ain't nobody selling me out. I have number one Secret Service Cubano.

C (3:33)

Wait, do you have the water bottle in your hands? The one they gave you on the plane?

D (3:38)

Yeah, he does.

C (3:40)

He has that same water bottle.

E (3:41)

They only give me one.

C (3:42)

Yeah, and you got to make that stuff last.

D (3:44)

Got to milk it.

E (3:45)

Yeah, for no reason.

B (3:48)

Now, Mr. President, we're also told that Delta Force was able to pretty much cut right through all of your presidential guard like pretty much like a hot knife through butter. We're told something like 55 Cubans were killed, possibly 80 soldiers total in total. Why is it, Mr. President, that you didn't try to, I don't know, train your forces a little bit better or have better is not my problem.

E (4:14)

It's not my fault. Cubano. My protecting service is all Cubans. You cannot trust them. They very bad. They stan no bueno. And I need them to protect me. And they don't do a good job at all. It's no good. See, you understand.

B (4:43)

Now, Andrew, of course you speak Spanish. Maybe you could help me translate some of this. But being of course that you're Mexican.

C (4:51)

This is a good one.

E (4:53)

I like this.

B (4:55)

And President Maduro, I just wanted to ask that now we understand that your wife was also arrested the same time as you had. You know, we need to know and people are asking. I see the chat is lighting up. While you were on the plane, were you able to become members of the five Mile High Club?

E (5:17)

See, they allow us a two minutes and we do it. But I have to say two minutes.

B (5:27)

But that's really enough time.

E (5:29)

When I arrive in the New York, I was shocked to see how many illegals are in the city because. How do you say it? Remind me of Venezuela. I feel like I'm at home. So many of them, but they're all Mexican. I don't know why.

B (5:53)

My final question. My final question, Mr. President, El Presidente is. Is. We're also told also your prison cell seems to be in some kind of prison library. How is it like, how are your conditions? How are the facilities there in New York? And what is it like being cellmates with Diddy?

E (6:14)

See, it's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad at all. It remind me of me and Celia. We do A much similar. And Didi do it much similar to the Celia do. And back home are prison. No good. Back home are prison. No water, no food. You work in New York, I get to play chess.

D (6:38)

You good.

C (6:40)

I mean, no food and no water in a Venezuelan prison. Sounds like it's also like a Venezuelan.

D (6:44)

Restaurant, a Venezuelan mall, a Venezuelan grocery store, supermarket.

E (6:49)

Yeah, see? But I eat. See.

B (6:56)

Tyler here.

C (6:57)

Yeah, we do. We have Tyler here. He seems thorough.

F (7:02)

I feel like I walked in the middle of something.

B (7:05)

You have any questions for president?

C (7:07)

Tyler's just thinking. Tyler's thinking. I already got in trouble for dumb stuff. Now I'm gonna get in trouble for more stuff. Like this segment.

D (7:16)

This is not dumb stuff. This is serious, international, serious geopolitics.

B (7:21)

Blake.

E (7:22)

He's number one. Mr. President. Need number one. President Trump. Allow me to do a one podcast.

D (7:28)

So, Mr. President, what would you. If you were advising President Trump, what to do with the oil, the Venezuelan oil, What do you think America should do with it?

E (7:39)

Two things. A one is really bad oil. It's no good. Dirty oil. That's why it is so hard. See? And number two, the Chinese pay good money, good client.

D (7:55)

So sell it to China.

E (7:56)

See? Esta number one client. No problem.

D (8:03)

It's good. Thank you for that advice.

B (8:06)

Or would you mean perhaps no problemo?

E (8:09)

Yeah, no problemo. I give a speech six months ago. I say, vena porbi la esperaqui, Miraflores. No legal in the president. Think I call him coward. I don't call him coward. All I want is peace. I want peace, no war. And he arrests me for no reason. And me and Cecilia. Wrongfully put in the prison. Why? For what?

F (8:44)

Oh, boy.

D (8:47)

I think that covers the Venezuela time.

C (8:48)

I think that does. I think that covers Venezuela very capably, but we're planning to talk about that later in the show. But, Jack, we were also very excited to hit our first topic for the day before Mustache man introduced in our podcast. I guess he must have chloroformed. No, he's not to post. He's still a president.

D (9:07)

Oh, yeah.

C (9:08)

He's el presidente distracted that, you know, Trump a lot of people.

B (9:12)

Mr. President. I mean, you have anywhere else to go? Do you want to just. Do you want to just sit and join us on Thought Crime tonight and just kind of. Just kind of go through the topics?

A (9:18)

We.

B (9:18)

We had a whole show planned before you. Before you, you know, crashed our, you know, crashed our event. So would you.

A (9:25)

Would.

B (9:25)

Do you want to just go through the show?

F (9:27)

I don't recognize medulla without sash.

E (9:29)

Thank you. I will love it. Thank you for invite.

B (9:35)

All right, let's do it.

F (9:37)

He needs his. He is his Venezuela sash. Do they let him wear a sash in prison?

C (9:41)

Probably not a sash.

B (9:44)

Not since. Not since Jeffrey Epstein he's had to.

F (9:47)

Take his sash off.

B (9:48)

Is it true, Mr. President? Is it true that. Did they put you in Jeffrey Epstein's cell? And. And is it true that he may have left some things behind in that cell?

E (9:58)

Yeah, he did. But my next door is Didi. And I tell Didi I said, you like oil? And he said, yeah, I like baby oil. And I say, I also like oil. Venezuela, we have a lot of it. And he do not good things to me with that oil.

C (10:28)

TMI. Mr. Presidente, I sorry, but it's no problem.

D (10:36)

I'm sure your wife was very upset about this.

B (10:38)

It's a bit of. Oh, no, she likes Cecilia. What's okay with this, right?

E (10:43)

See, Celia do same thing to me, but Caracas.

B (10:48)

Oh, so you're familiar with Diddy then as it is.

E (10:51)

See, did he invite me to parties I cannot make because I get a restate if I go to America. So I stay in Caracas and now I go to Didi party every day.

B (11:04)

Well, you know, it's. It's interesting because, Blake, I think you were just about to say our first topic might actually lend itself to. To something that might be potentially helpful for people who are in President Maduro's situation. They're stuck inside, but they do have computer access. So this is something that might actually be useful for them.

C (11:24)

Well, do I want to hit that or do we want to hit Minneapolis first? Jack, we have a couple options.

B (11:30)

Well, you know, we do have. So here's the situation. You know, obviously we've got people on the ground in Minneapolis. We've got assets on the ground. Human Events has people there right now keeping an eye on it. We just saw, obviously Commander Bovino got into a scuffle with a couple of these agitators. His security had to get involved. It looks like he was totally okay from that perspective, but there's no question they are starting to target him more. And we know the sun is going down there in Minneapolis. They're also outside of this, you know, this area where the shooting took place. They've created, you know, some kind of autonomous zone or maybe perhaps the early stages of an autonomous zone similar to what we saw in Seattle five years ago with the Chaz. I don't know if this is the. Going to be called the Maz, the Minneapolis Autonomous Zone. So we'll see. But we know that Mayor Fry actually did order police out of the area and barricades are now be set up. Being set up like it's the French Revolution and it's, it's, what can I say? The Bolsheviks, the Marxists, the Jacobins, the. Right, here's a, here's a video of it now. So these barricades are being set up like it's the French Revolution. The Jacobins are back, the Bolsheviks are back, and they're doing the exact same things they did before. So obviously we're going to be keeping an eye on that. If something pops off, we're going to, we're going to go straight to it. But did you guys. Blake, what do you think? Should we, should we get into this story now?

C (12:53)

Yeah, I think, I think so. I think, I think it's just the big, it's the biggest story of today had going through the extremely arbitrary measure of how many tweets on exit had trending shoved in my face. It was like several million. And I think, you know, the topic we're questioning, the sort of, the big picture question is you could say who killed Renee Goode? Because there's really, you know, there's a lot of good candidates because everyone's decided to blame. Some people are blaming, you know, the officer, but a lot of people are blaming President Trump. We have people saying he needs to be impeached, he needs to be arrested, he needs to be president. Probably who knows what they would want to say. And, but we were saying on the show today, I think the person who bears the most responsibility is probably Mayor Jacob FFRY and then Governor Tim Walz. And the reason they bear responsibility is they decided to pit their own people against ICE as political pawns, as human shields. And they wanted something like this to happen. They were all, they're overjoyed. Deep down, they are overjoyed that this took place. They wanted to create a situation like this and they got their wish and they're celebrating right now.

B (13:59)

Yeah, yeah, there's no question. I mean, some of the stuff that I've been seeing, by the way, is pretty insane in terms of them going, going and talking about how then. And Blake, you've definitely seen this before with a lot of other, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse type shootings or other police based shootings where they'll say, they'll sit there and say, oh, but why didn't the officer just, you know, shoot the tires? Or, or, oh, why didn't the officer just do this? Or why didn't just do that. Did he have to do this? It's like, oh, yeah, yeah. He should have just shot the steering wheel. Just shoot the steering wheel out of her hand so she can't turn into him. Why didn't he just shoot her foot so she wouldn't be able to hit the gas. This is ridiculous. These kind of statements are ridiculous. And then, of course, it came out today that the same officer had actually been hit. I forget exactly the amount of time is a couple of months ago, I think in June. And he. It was June, so a couple, about six months ago. So he required 35 stitches in that incident where he had been drugged and numerous incidents where this is going on. And I, I think, you know, I think we're all generally in agreement that the officer was in the right here and the protester was not, the agitator was not.

D (15:08)

But what I, what I would like.

B (15:09)

To get into with the gang, since we are on thought crime, we're supposed to be committing thought crimes. What is going on on with these NPR listener women who seem to think that they can just commit acts like this with reckless abandon and face no consequences whatsoever? Why do they seem to think? Because there are other people. And Cassandra Fairbanks had this TikTok video that she posted earlier today where there was another woman out of Charlotte and she was saying, oh, yeah, me and my friends were going around looking for ICE agents and trying to block them as well. And we, we never thought that something like this could happen to us. But now I'm starting to get scared. What if that happens to me next? And it's like, yeah, if you see police officers out conducting an arrest or out, you know, dealing with a, you know, I don't know, a car crash, anything, like whatever they're doing, and you drive up to them and block your car in front of what law enforcement is doing, you're going to have a bad day. All right, I don't know if this is going to happen, but, but if you try to ram them with your car, then yes, definitely this is going to happen and you're definitely going to have a bad day. And what's crazy to me, though, is that these liberal, you know, the AWFLs, the AWFULs, have never seemed to actually face any real consequences at all in their lives.

D (16:31)

Well, and there's this clip. I think it's 344. Did I find it? 344, I believe. Yeah. This is getting. This is when he got dragged. Jack. 3, 3, 34. Play cut. 334. These images show the officer's hand in the vehicle. In this video, you can see the driver take off with the agent hanging from the car, dragging him 300ft through front yards. These graphic images show the aftermath. A bloody agent who needed 33 stitches for his significant cuts. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And by the way, I hadn't seen that. Yeah. And you know, here's the deal. It's this. Let's see here. Kristi Noem. You can do this. 299. Kristi Noem detailed yesterday that just in the last, just in recent weeks, there's been over 100 ramming incidents involving ICE agents. There was four the day of the fatal shooting, three of which happened in Minneapolis.

G (17:29)

299 today alone. In this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened here in Minneapolis. We've seen over 100 of these vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks. And this must stop. ICE alone is facing a 1300% increase in assaults against them and an 8000% increase in death threats against all of them. In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti ice rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June. He sustained injuries at that time as well.

D (18:11)

Yeah. So my question is, because this has been going on for months, these ramming incidents, my question is, who's training them to do this? Like what message boards, what private discord chats, whatever. Whose funding it? Because I watched a story in detail. It was probably in like, I want to say October, November, and it was in Southern California. The guy instantly calls his lawyer, which was connected to some nonprofit that was getting funded through a nonprofit. So where does that nonprofit get its money to pay the lawyers? How did they coordinate with the local citizen observers so that these people know where to call and who to call when they get in trouble. And then within two hours, they. This guy was on with Aaron Burnett on cnn. Crime victim because he was harassing, stalking ICE agents in the field.

C (18:59)

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that they need to be trained to ram someone with a car. It just, it seems pretty straightforward in how they do it. But what you will find if you float around in left wing circles online, that the thing about it, I guess that the right should understand is the left is pretty good at being decentralized about things. So you can just be in, you know, a discord server. You can be on threads or Blue sky or whatever. You can be just in private chat rooms, you can be in signal groups, you can be on text chains. And they're just very good at sharing knowledge and they're very good at organically getting all aligned on an issue.

D (19:39)

We should do that here.

C (19:40)

Yeah, and so. But we won't do that here because that's just, that's a fundamental difference between.

D (19:43)

The right and how they would be. Yes, okay, but.

C (19:47)

And how they do things.

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It's one of the things I would just add is that it's also that they don't need to necessarily always to go into discord chats and private servers because their stuff doesn't ever get banned on if you, you can go on Instagram and find antifa pages posting oh do this to more ICE agents or they have like ICE Watch different sites that are up. Reddit's got a whole page in Minneapolis dedicated to ICE Watch. Hey, this is where ICE is today. You need to keep an eye on them. And then you can go in the comments and you'll see people coordinating these types of activities and these types of attacks or people will post flyers about this is where we're going next week. Facebook has had this up for years. They've never done anything about it. Instagram as well both same company meta. Reddit has it all over the place. So again they just do it right out in the open and and unfortunately you don't actually see either the social media companies taking action against it. And you definitely don't see action taken until unfortunately events like this take place. And you see agents in this case having to defend for their lives and be in this situation when they shouldn't have to be because the National Guard should be there already.

C (22:03)

In fact it's just a thing because you mention it. I just decided to search ICE Watch Minneapolis and I on Reddit's Minneapolis page there's ice watch orientation tonight 7pm Zoom. So that's probably 7 Central. That's an hour and a half from now. And you know, someone says remember to join these events with a VPN and but you know, I suspect you don't need to join it with a vpn.

B (22:23)

So by the way it just came out. People should police Millennial just posted up a story that in fact Renee Goode was a quote, ICE Watch warrior who was trained by far left activists to disrupt and resist agents. So she is someone who received this training. She is someone who possibly was working with this Reddit page or something similar where through, listen to this. Through school and activist groups she became involved with an ICE Watch group, quote, a loose collection of activists whose mission was to disrupt ICE during operations. Similar groups and agitators have been forming all over the country with, with the goals to docs disrupt and block ICE from carrying out lawful operations to remove illegal aliens from the city. Let's see where, where is this one? She received training, this is someone, someone who knows her from, knows her from school. She received training, very thorough training to listen to commands, to know your rights, to whistle when you see an ICE agent. This is what she, she had done. So people who knew her say that she was actively involved in training to disrupt ICE operations. And these types of groups are out there, they have been forming, they're doing. So I just mentioned the one in Minneapolis. It's right there in public. Anyone can go see it yet Reddit will not take action against this. We haven't seen indictments against any of the people doing this. We haven't seen the DOJ come and try to take down these Reddit pages at all. The way they take down pages again, they just do it right in the open. And here's the article.

D (23:59)

Jack has it to your point that I mean to, to corroborate the fact that she was obviously trained. This was an eyewitness to this event.

G (24:07)

281 they clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the the protest is my understanding. I talked to another guy who was driving behind her but she Was. She was very at. She was very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was. What she was set out to do. And so they wanted to get her the hell out of there.

B (24:34)

Yeah.

F (24:34)

So it looked like she was impeding ICE vehicles, definitely.

G (24:38)

Yeah, that was her goal.

C (24:39)

Yeah.

F (24:39)

And there's actually. This actually goes way back, though. This is. This is almost 10 years ago. So I'll just point to 10 years ago here in Arizona. There is a group that's called Mi Gente that's still operational. I wasn't sure if they're operational, my people, but they have been. Thank you so much for that. I should have asked the President, actually, for a translation.

D (24:59)

Is that correct, Presidente? Mi Gente. In English.

F (25:03)

So Mi Gente has actually been operating for well over a decade. And I actually just did a quick search of their website where they giddily talk about, you know, car blocking as a tactic. So this has been a tactic that's been used in Arizona. They were doing this, if you remember, 10 years ago, car blocking, using vehicles to get in the way, which was just referenced in that video, which is, again, this is what happens. I mean, what can go wrong when you take crazy people, you ignite them through an organization like Mi Hinte, you put them in a vehicle, you tell them to use the vehicle to impede lawful conduct. And then, you know, wouldn't you know it, you know, they could actually maybe hurt somebody. Because vehicles are one of the deadliest things that you could give a crazy person. And so this one I'm looking at is a protester was transferred to immigration authorities in Arizona.

D (26:04)

Was.

F (26:04)

But after they were again doing the same exact thing, they were blocking. This was 2016. This is March of 2016. So this is.

D (26:13)

Yeah, these guys are anti civilizational arsonists. This is what they are. They're civilization.

F (26:19)

They've spent.

H (26:21)

The president disappeared last year calling ice. Yeah, the President's gone. Mikey's back. They spent the last year calling ice, you know, the Gestapo, the Nazis, the fascists. And then we're supposed to be surprised when people and Tyler brought it up. I mean, car blocking is a thing on the left. So we're supposed to be surprised when people interfering with an ICE operation get the consequences of interfering with an ICE operation. And so they think that nothing's going to happen to them by using their car. And you saw in that clip, that lady, she was leading the way. She was obviously trying to stop this ICE operation. And she found out what the consequences were. And so I don't think car Blocking is going to be a big thing on the left anymore now that they've found out what the consequences are. But we can't be surprised when you interfere with an ICE operation that that's actually stemming from the left constantly labeling our brave ICE officers as fascists, as Gestapo, as Nazis, and they're not actually enforcing the law in our country, but they're actually just taking decent, nice, innocent families and deporting them for absolutely no reason at all. All, of course.

D (27:29)

Well, and that's.

C (27:29)

That's what I want to get into.

B (27:30)

Though, is because you've got people that just live in this soup all the time, and particularly it's these affluent female white women, some cases more middle class, and they're just listening to NPR over and over. Fisher King had a tweet up earlier where he said, NPR said that ICE shot a woman in her car just while she was sitting in it. Didn't even mention anything about the gas. Didn't even mention anything about assaulting the officer or trying to run into him. And so this is still what I want to get into is how is it that we have these massive pockets and swaths of our population where there's millions of people caught up in this fried mental model where they just think it's totally fine to go and interfere with police? Like, it's like it's a section. I think it's kind of like LARPing in a sense, like live action role playing. But it's something where, like, they don't actually realize that this isn't a game, but they think it is.

H (28:27)

Yeah, they think they're the Robin Hoods of our society and that they're upholding the, you know, the social and moral law of our country when they don't actually realize that you're breaking the law by coming into our country legally. But also, I don't know if you guys have seen the clip of the car. Its tires actually slid because it was icy out there and it was cold in. The tires, didn't catch traction. But thank God that happened, because if it didn't, the ICE officer 100% would have been run over before he was able to take the shot. And so say what you want, but, yeah, you can see it in this clip. She speeds forward and her tire does not catch the traction. So say what you want, but you cannot be the Robin Hood of society and uphold what you think is actually the law of our country. When these brave officers are putting their lives on the line day in and.

B (29:15)

Day out, it's like they actually. If you actually believe. Right. If you actually believe that ICE are fascist Nazis, then you've been told your whole life that the best thing you can do is go out and fight the Nazis, go out and kill the Nazis. And look, every one of us on this program right now, and you know, we know exactly what the consequences of something like that can be. When you're told over and over that someone's a Nazi because they don't call you a Nazi because they think you're one. They call you one because they want to be able to kill you and get away with it.

D (29:56)

Yeah, well, and I. So, Mikey, you were saying that perhaps we're not going to see any car rammings, but I think it's a little more insistent, like, you know, because now somebody's effed around and found.

B (30:05)

I think we'll see more.

D (30:06)

I think it's. I think it's more insidious than that. I think that they wanted this to happen. I think that they wanted this to be totally staged.

B (30:14)

Staged.

F (30:15)

Here's the problem, though, is that again, this whole thing, the only way to stop a bus, deporting a bunch of people is put a car in front of it. The only way to, you know, block a road.

D (30:28)

It's.

F (30:29)

They're not going to do this with human change. They've done that before. You know how easy that is to get. They, they. They have trained people to put people in vehicles. They're going to. You're going to have crazier people than ever before in vehicles, doing more.

D (30:42)

But what I'm saying is they wanted somebody to die.

F (30:45)

That's what I'm saying.

C (30:46)

They're 100%.

F (30:47)

They want their own.

D (30:48)

They want. They want a few martyrs so that they can sort of now protest and do do their own. Chaz in Minneapolis, although it's freezing, but this isn't it.

F (30:58)

There's gonna be more.

D (30:59)

Yes.

F (30:59)

They want more people. They're gonna have a lot more.

C (31:01)

They'll want to. Yeah, I think they'll do more car. Certainly more car blockages, and they'll make a whole stunt out of. Are you gonna shoot me, too? And, like, frankly, ICE needs to plan now for what their plan should be. And I feel like the best plan for what they should do is if you are blocking ice, we are going through your car 100% of the time. You basically need to get mess around.

D (31:21)

With all the cars.

C (31:22)

You can't let yourself get bossed around by people who are willful disruptors of the social contract and willful Underminers of law and order. When people try to get hooked on these memes, they're trying to increase entropy. They're trying to obliterate the ability for ICE to do its job. The only way you can stop that is you just say nope every single time. Bam. Your car's gone, you're off to jail, you're getting a prison sentence.

F (31:45)

I have a theory though. My theory though is that they actually want white women being the ones driving these cars.

C (31:51)

Well, they certainly are the easiest ones to recruit to drive the cars.

F (31:54)

Well, they intentionally want white women to drive the cars. And they want. Because I think. Because if you look in the past, in the past they were kind of recruiting like Hispanic leaders to be involved with this. That doesn't exist anymore. And I think it's intentional. And part of the intent, the intentionality of that is I actually think they want to influence white women to feel bad for white women who become victims of their self created crime. Does that make sense? Yeah, Like I actually think that the insidious thing about all this is they're actually intentionally recruiting white females to get involved with this because they know that the white female vote in America is probably going to be more, more impacted by a crazy white female getting killed by Ice Age. I the sympathy, I'm telling you, I.

C (32:49)

Just don't think they need to be deliberate about it.

H (32:50)

There is infinite young white, they self.

C (32:53)

Select, but they do definitely want to.

D (32:56)

They want them as the martyr, bad drivers. And they're also like most likely to do something stupid. Think that they're like GI Joe.

C (33:03)

If you need to stick someone's face on a poster and like this is the martyr. You don't want to use those like antifa mutants that they get arrested in Portland all of the time. You want someone who has a face, ideally no tattoos, ideally no like weird.

D (33:17)

Middle girl next door. Yeah, exactly.

F (33:19)

But they don't want it to be a minority because that's unimpactful to the voter that they're trying to influence.

D (33:27)

Yeah, yeah.

H (33:29)

Charlie used to always talk about how we're team civilization and they're team anarchy. And so if their ultimate goal is anarchy, which is to make a new Chaz to burn down Minneapolis and burn down Wendy's. Well, you see two extremes here. You see George Floyd who was arrested and died doing something wrong, which was stealing, beating women, taking fentanyl and Derek Chauvin upholding the law, who should be out of jail by the way. And then on this case you see a woman who's interfering with an ICE operation and both of them get killed in the process. And so if the ultimate goal is anarchy in the world of fair and equitable, why isn't the white woman getting the exact same riots and burning in the streets and destruction of a city that the black man got? That's not very fair and equitable.

C (34:21)

Well, if the victim is white, you're.

B (34:24)

Not gonna get the Somali community to riled up about a white woman. You're not gonna get BLM riled up about a white woman. It's just not gonna happen.

D (34:31)

Well, but here's the honestly part of this. We're fortunate this didn't happen in the summer months because I'm telling you, it's cold in Minneapolis. Let's see how big this Maz Chaz community grows or how big it's cold. And I know that some will like most passionate will do it, but I'm telling you, the only thing that's saving Minneapolis right now from a, from A Florida Palooza 2.0 is the freezing temperatures.

C (34:54)

I disagree. I think it, I think it does matter that it was a white victim and so who.

D (34:58)

No, I agree.

C (35:01)

This is more radicalizing to the extremes. It greatly. Here's what's more likely to happen. You're a lot more likely after this to have like, I'll be frank, an antifa psycho with an AR15 goes and tries to ambush and murder ICE agents.

B (35:13)

That is a lot more likely than like a bombing. Yes. Firebombing or pipe bombing or something that, that type of thing. Sure, we, we do see that kind of like targeted leftist white violence. But targeted BLM violence. It's just wanton riots.

C (35:29)

You only get, you only get like the looting style riots, let's be frank, after a BLM coded event. And you can look back, we had them after Floyd, but we had lesser local ones. After Freddie Gray and Baltimore, you. You had Michael Brown and Ferguson. I guess those didn't boil over riots as much.

D (35:46)

Yeah, but you're right though, because it's kind of like the Cerno, Steve Cellier observation that, you know, if you're going to like. Cerno's always saying, and Jack, back me up on this, that when you get a white guy, not dissimilar from a Tyler Robinson person, right. Like silent but very deadly. When they get radicalized, they actually.

B (36:10)

It's not an impulsive violence. It's a, it's a meticulous, methodical, planned.

D (36:15)

Out type versus the spray and pray like Floyd of Palooza rioting, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (36:22)

Which Is, which is horrific. I said on War Room earlier today that it would, that it would not surprise me if one of the things that we see next is an attempt to assassinate Commander Bovino. He's walking around there all the time. He is a very well known target. He's on TV all the time. And as horrific as it is and as, as you know, obviously ghoulish as it is to talk about, you do have to actually point that out to say, look, you know, this guy is going to be a massive high value target for the left. And I guarantee you. And we just, we just saw them assault him once. So I guarantee you. What were they doing? They were testing security and they're going to, they just, they. The tranny just showed up at JD's house a couple of nights ago. Charlie, of course, is still no longer with us. And this is what I don't get when I see so much like, like infighting and like all the insanity going on in like the conservative media world right now. And it's like guys, they're, they're literally Bolsheviks at the door who are trying to kill us. They've killed one of us already. They are not stopping. They're trying to kill ice. They've got, they've got like middle America moms going behind the cars of suv fully radicalized. Blake, you and I used to talk about this. Radicalized to the level of ISIS charging at ICE officers. And we're sitting there still wondering like, oh well, you know, let's just talk about something else. Like, no, this is going on. This is real and it's happening in our country.

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C (38:58)

The right is very aware. Like, we'll brag about this. You know, you'll see those polls that say liberal women are way more likely to report having, you know, a diagnosed mental illness than conservative women. And also, liberal men are more likely to report a diagnosed mental thing. And the really insane people are more likely to be on the left. And as we've pointed out, like, you know, the trans epidemic that correlates with every single mental illness known to man, they're vastly more likely to have all of these. These are mentally unwell individuals. And yeah, sometimes that manifests as I post embarrassing things on the Internet, but sometimes that manifests as I try to do a mass shooting. We've had at this point while, like, over the holidays, we just, you know, we got additional confirmation that the Nashville shooter was actually motivated by, like, aggressive racial grievance just straight up in their notebooks. It's like, oh, I should target this school because it's white instead of black. And we saw transgender radicalism in the Minneapolis shooting. You just, you have all of these ingredients for lunatic people to express themselves in violence. And they're endlessly getting this media script from political leaders on the left, from Governor Walls, from members of Congress saying, yeah, let's play.

D (40:10)

May 2025, Governor Tim Waltz at some, At a college, by the way, at a college, at a graduation ceremony.

I (40:17)

342, Donald Trump's modern day scapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye. Just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans and disappeared. To be clear, there's no way for us to know whether they were actually criminals or not. It's not hyperbole to say we're not far from a world where anyone could get that knock at a door. And there's no guarantee you'd get your day in court or that you'd ever make it home alive from whatever corner of the world they stick you in. If Trump and his folks want to come for Minnesotans, we need to make sure that there's a firewall that they have to come through before they get to them.

C (41:00)

That range. It's so deranged.

F (41:03)

He doesn't even know history well enough to be able to pronounce Gestapo.

C (41:07)

Yeah, Gestapo. So. And like the specific precedents matter here, the Gestapo was declared a criminal organization after. After World War II. You just being a member of it made you a criminal. Same thing they did with the ss. And he's saying, oh, masked agents are going to abduct you from your home. He's basically saying, America is ruled by a criminal terrorist gang. That is not disagreement with immigration policy. That is not, oh, I don't. I think we should have amnesty for immigrants. That is, there is a criminal gang going around terrorizing people. And what do you do against criminal terrorist gangs? You shoot them. That is what they are communicating. That is what they are saying every day. They absolutely. They want. The thing is, is they want both outcomes. As we said on the show today. They want to stoke the lunatics who will get out a rifle and actually murder them because they think 1. It might force ice to dial things back. It might keep people from joining ice. It'll make their enforcement operations harder. But it also increases the risk for these Renee Goode type individuals who are just trying to get in the way, block things up, get in their face. Because it's that balance. It's that every ICE agent, when someone gets in their face, has to wonder, is this the lunatic with the rifle who's going to kill us? They get more nervous. They get more jumpy. They're more likely way more on. Way more, way more on edge. That's why. That's why cops are more likely to shoot someone in a bad neighborhood. They're terrified, oh, this guy in this traffic stop, they kill me.

D (42:35)

They just want to get home to their families at night. And mean, they put their bodies on the line during the day and, you know, somebody might kill them. And you're totally right. Like, all right, go ahead. Yep.

B (42:45)

No breaking out of Portland. They're saying that two people were shot in Portland by U.S. customs and Border Patrol agents breaking out of local ABC.

C (42:59)

We'll see how that one went down. Let's see.

D (43:04)

You know what's frustrating about this too, is that, guess what? We're not talking about as soon as this happened in Minneapolis. We're not talking about Somali fraud.

C (43:12)

Well, we're still in Minneapolis.

D (43:13)

Yeah.

C (43:14)

At least we'll have that. It's just Minneapolis is the number one content producing city in America.

H (43:18)

It really is.

E (43:20)

Yeah.

H (43:20)

Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing, is it? This happens clip that we just played this. Go ahead.

B (43:26)

I was just gonna say this happened like what, like four blocks away from where George Floyd died? Yes, like this, this shooting within walking distance of where George Floyd died. That is just mind blowing to me.

H (43:40)

How far away from the chief with the Tim Walls thing?

F (43:42)

Like, that's what I want to know.

H (43:44)

Yeah, this is all smoke, smoke and mirrors with him. Because if he can get you to spend all of your time thinking about the Gestapo and the Nazis and the fascists that are wrongfully arresting beautiful, kind, you know, participating members of society for absolutely no reason and sending them back to their country even though they actually broke the law, then he can get you to ignore the fact that under his administration there was billions of dollars that just disappeared through Somali fraud and daycare fraud and just fraud in general. And so I think it's really rich when this guy is talking about ICE agents that are actually doing their job. And because they're doing their job, they're getting docked, they're getting their addresses leaked, they're getting bricks thrown through their windows, they're getting their families threatened for doing their job and upholding the law. And so when this guy says, you'll have your day in court, it's just so sweet, so, so sweet. Such sweet justice. When we can say, no, actually, Tim Walls, you'll have your day in court for actually breaking the law and trying to get us to all look in the other direction, the wrong direction, to focus on things that are not the truth, to focus on people that are actually doing their jobs and upholding the law.

D (44:55)

Yeah. So FBI Portland is investigating an agent involved shooting that happened at approximately 2:15 near the 10,000 block of Main street in Portland involving Customs and Border Patrol agents in which two individuals were wounded. This remains an active and ongoing investigation led by the FBI.

C (45:12)

Follow this, My guess, just totally guessing here, most ICE people, most of these are going to be people they're trying to arrest. And so I would guess that's probably what the case is. I looked up the address that this occurred at. It's in a very bad part of Portland. The Glenfair neighborhood appears to be a frequent.

D (45:31)

Yeah, but if you're an illegal immigrant and you're getting, trying to, you know, ICE is trying to nab you and you've got this big story going on in Minneapolis and all the left wingers are all riled up, then you might think, oh, this is the time to really like press it and try and get away and flee so it's not to say that those two stories aren't disconnected, you know. Yeah. One involves a US citizen who's a white lady, 37 year old white lady and the other one's probably, you know, let's be honest, probably Hispanics or some other minority group. But it still increases the temperature in the country that listen, it's brazen anti law enforcement activity where everybody thinks that they have a role to play and standing up to law enforcement. No, whatever happened to what my dad told me was just like if a cop pulls you over, you go 10 and two, you take the keys out of the car, you turn it off, you roll down the window and you say, yes, Mr. Officer. Hi officer.

F (46:24)

Wait, you turn on worship music first?

D (46:27)

Yeah, you turn on worship music.

C (46:28)

It's just.

D (46:29)

No, but like this is, this is the world I was raised in and all of a sudden these people completely flip everything and think that they have some right to go play vigilante.

B (46:37)

I think there's a, I think there's a different song though that Andrew always makes sure is playing when he gets pulled over.

C (46:43)

Every time. It's true. Every time he walks into the office that starts playing and, and the weird.

B (46:48)

Thing is just starts playing.

C (46:49)

It's not coming from his phone or from any audio thing. Everyone just kind of hears it.

D (46:53)

It's like it's my DNA.

B (46:54)

It's just ambience.

D (46:55)

My DNA is just resonating.

B (46:58)

Yeah, that's right.

D (46:59)

Me and Maduro. Yeah. Even though Venezuela probably.

C (47:03)

But yeah, I think, I think that my most important takeaway on this is I do think we care about actually achieving the administration's goal, what it was run on, which is get deportations, mass deportations. And so they need to be thinking, they need to be strategizing now at DHS inside the White House. What is the left likely to do in response to this? And then what are we going to do in response to that? They can't be caught flat footed. So if they're as we predict, there's going to be more car blockages, they try to exploit this. What's your strategy?

D (47:36)

What I've seen some of them mentioning some of the political leaders, city council, local DA saying like come at us, we're gonna arrest you. Like they're gonna start trying to bend state law to be able to arrest some of these federal law enforcers.

C (47:50)

You have to be ready for that. Eventually someone is going to try to become, frankly someone's gonna try to make themselves a presidential frontrunner by being the one who pulls the stunt of trying to arrest an ICE agent while they're doing their operations. It might be Mamdani in New York. I guess he can't run, but he would still want that publicity. Might be Walls in Minneapolis. It could be someone, it could be in Seattle.

B (48:12)

Let's go through that for a second because. So Keith Ellison, we know, was the one who personally came in and oversaw the charges on literally Derek Chauvin himself. So not exactly known as being a bastion of support for police in Minnesota. Could the attorney general here, could the state of Minnesota bring murder charges on this officer?

C (48:34)

They absolutely could try. Well, there's nothing preventing.

D (48:37)

We talked about that today actually with Eric Schmidt, who's a former AG of Missouri. He said that that would, that basically the charges would get rolled into a federal, the federal supremacy would kick in and it would become a federal charge, basically because it's a federal law enforcement. That was his, that was what he said.

B (48:56)

I forget we were chatting about this earlier too, and I do agree that, I think with, with A.G. smith that the supremacy clause would reign here. This was a federal officer who was undergoing, undertaking federal duties. There's no question. And so, yeah, a federal officer could be indicted for, you know, all sorts of state crimes. Like you could, you could commit a hit and run or something like that. You break the law and get arrested. But if you're conducting your duties as a federal officer, then that would basically get thrown out in federal court. Like, it's just, it's just not something that a state can do.

F (49:31)

Well, this is, this is the whole thing that I'm dealing with right now. It's like the whole supremacy thing. Right? This is where the left wants to use lawfare to try to invoke state law to try to go after, I mean, think about like, what was going on with the elector stuff in Georgia. They try to go down to the county level to indict Trump at the state level. They're indicting political opponents at the state level because it's under, away from the federal government. So if Trump's in office, obviously they're going to try to do everything they possibly can to indict whoever using state powers. Right. And again, just to your point, Jack, the law is very clear that the federal government's in charge and where it's in charge, they have no say. But that doesn't solve the cheesecake incident from blm. The BLM rights. Do we have that clip.

B (50:30)

I got there, the cheesecaking?

F (50:33)

Do we, do we have that, Angela? Okay, they're still grabbing it. Oh, dang. All right. I teed that up.

D (50:39)

Cheesecake.

B (50:40)

He actually went to Cheesecake Factory.

D (50:43)

What is cheesecake thing? I don't get the cheesecake thing.

F (50:45)

It's. It's. We're going to pull it up. This is like, one of the things that was, like, hilarious while we were going through all this back in the BLM riots. So we were covering all this stuff when Minneapolis was getting, like, ransacked. And they were. Remember, they were like, ransacking every single city or every single store. They shut down everything. They boarded up all of downtown Minneapolis except. And they were covering this. And this clip came out on the news. Do we have it soon?

D (51:11)

Almost. Yeah. So soon.

C (51:15)

I'm looking now. It's actually. There's a long history. There's a lot of legal.

F (51:19)

All right.

D (51:19)

It's.

C (51:21)

It's back and forth. Specifically on the. Can they prosecute a federal agent who is doing federal action. There's some funny ones. Like during Prohibition or in 1898, Virginia charged a tax collector posse who shot and killed horses and cattle during a shootout. Who they claimed they were ambushed while trying to collect taxes. There's like, prohibition related cases. It would be interesting. But I would say before you worry about the charges, I think that won't be dramatic enough. Someone is going to want to try to arrest the agents.

D (51:54)

Yeah.

C (51:55)

While they're doing their thing. And you have to be ready for how you handle that. They should not allow that to occur without having a plan.

D (52:02)

Wonder what the plan would be because. Because that could devolve into sort of like a shootout. I mean, it could.

C (52:07)

And I think. I think you have to say, like, I think you have to hold firm on that sort of thing. Maybe make them have to. Actually, what I would say is you probably want to make them have to shoot first, but you cannot allow them to stop you.

D (52:19)

343 is the cheesecake clip.

F (52:21)

Yeah. Let's pull this.

D (52:22)

343.

G (52:23)

See someone actually walking away with a cheesecake there after the Cheesecake Factory was looted. Unclear where they may have gotten that.

C (52:30)

I think it's abundantly clear where she got the cheesecake. The Cheesecake Factory.

F (52:37)

It's the greatest clip ever this year.

D (52:39)

I never saw this. No.

F (52:40)

We were laughing about it on here.

I (52:42)

I don't.

D (52:42)

I see. I was only on for 50%.

F (52:44)

We had. We literally. They were robbing every store, including the Cheesecake Factory. This chick's walking out with a plated cheesecake. And the first out of the news in Minneapolis. This is how stupid these People are, they're like unclear where they got the cheesecake from. The Cheesecake Factory. They're the factory. You just said the Cheesecake Factory was looted.

D (53:03)

It's Minnesota. Nice. They didn't want to assume.

F (53:05)

I don't, I don't think that Cheesecake Factory.

C (53:07)

Maybe they left. Maybe they. Maybe they. Never mind. Can't have any good jokes.

F (53:13)

This is what I'm saying. Everybody needs to be on guard. Cheesecake Factory in Minneapolis because that thing could get looted at any moment.

D (53:19)

So wait, I, I want to like play this. This idea that. What. What's up, Jack? Before I get interrupted again.

B (53:24)

I know. No, I always do woes with the, you know, with the breaking and there's some people we're. It still remains to be seen. Caveat, Caveat, caveat. But I'm seeing some people in the chat and then I went back over to Twitter to check it out where they're saying that the ICE CBP shooting in Portland may also have involved a vehicle assault.

D (53:52)

Stop it. See?

B (53:54)

So not confirmed yet, but I'm seeing it in a couple of places right now.

F (53:58)

You're hearing it first. If you're watching live here on Thought Crime, you're hearing down to the. The second. And for new information, this is such.

D (54:08)

A fascinating like vein of thought though, what Blake was just talking about. So if you have, let's just say Minneapolis PD or what about its National Guard? What. Where does, where does that fall into?

C (54:22)

Well, the National Guard that's much state level that. I mean certainly if this good precedent for that from a place called Little Rock where if you muster the National Guard to try and say, I'm going to block the execution of federal law here, that is the clear. That is the clearest precedent in the world for where the President can step in over the head of a governor.

D (54:42)

And just commandeer the National Guard.

F (54:44)

Yeah.

C (54:44)

Like you could debate whether he's able to do it in a normal riot. But that is what happened in the infamous Little Rock case was Orville Faubus called out the National Guard and said, we're going to block the integration of our school. Eisenhower says, no, you're not. I'm federalizing the Guard and they will enforce integration. And so that is what you could certainly have here.

D (55:03)

Waltz has. Has he? Yesterday he gave a warning, which apparently is the first step, says mobilize, get ready. You might be mobilized. And he literally said in the clip, because I need to protect the safety of Minnesotans, including potentially from rogue ICE agents, which is a direct head to head between State and federal officials. Now, Trump hasn't federalized the Minnesota National Guard. I'm sure he's willing to Blake from a historical standpoint, then what about the Insurrection Act? People keep saying we need the Insurrection Act. Where would that play a role here?

C (55:41)

I think people just. I think that's a meme that's in people's heads.

D (55:45)

Okay, okay. You don't think it's practical here, but what would it entail? What happens when the President invokes it?

C (55:51)

I'm not sure. I'd have to reread it. I don't know off the top of my head.

D (55:54)

Let's look it up. Unless, you know, Jack, do you know.

B (55:59)

But what's the history of the act? I mean, the act goes all the way back. Yeah, I mean, it goes back as far as George Washington used it in the Whiskey Rebellion. I mean, what happens is the president. So the LA riots are like the classic example of this in 1992. So George H.W. bush at the time calls in the National Guard, declares an insurrection, and calls in not just the Astral Guard, but also even the Federal active duty.

D (56:29)

Active duty US Armed Forces. Yeah.

B (56:31)

I believe it was active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton who came down, as well as National Guardsmen, many of whom who had just served in units that had just been in like the Gulf War and Kuwait, in other spots that had just rotated back to the Los Angeles, California area then came in and they are ordered under the President, United States to conduct operations within the United States to put down an insurrection, put down these mass acts of lawlessness. So, yes, the Federal. The President can do this. We've been doing this since our very first President. And I always like to add that not only did George Washington order the. And use the Insurrection act or, you know, a similar, similar legal device, he actually commanded troops while, while sitting as President to put down the rebellion in Western Pennsylvania.

D (57:22)

So this is so. And yeah, so you're right, Jack. The act has been invoked about 30 times since the late 18th century. And it looks like. So it. So it can happen at the state's request or to enforce federal authority when laws are obstructed or to protect const. When unlawful combinations or conspiracies deprive people of them. So, yeah, the President can actually deploy active duty U.S. armed forces and or federalized state National Guard units. So that would be like the Little Rock incident. And then so we've got 1992 Los Angeles rights. Right. H.W. bush invoked it. California governor's request. You have the civil rights Era. Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson used it multiple times during school desegregation and then labor disputes. 1800s, early 1900s. That was suppressing strikes. Right. When they were striking against employers. Reconstruction era Grant invoked it multiple times in the South.

C (58:17)

Like I said.

B (58:18)

I think I was gonna say, was it.

C (58:19)

Don't focus on.

B (58:20)

Was it using Katrina?

C (58:22)

It might have been. I think people are demanding the Insurrection act because it was brought up a lot during, frankly, Floida Palooza, in the Flight of Palooza and also after, like January 6th. That was in. That was in the water as a thing to discuss. So I think it's. It's in people's vocabulary. So people are mad at tomb walls. So they're saying, invoke the Insurrection Act. I think much more than, oh, do you need to invoke Insurrection act or not? And I suspect the answer is no. There hasn't really been a riot in Minneapolis yet. Again, have that thought process of if someone is trying to. If they're. They're going to up their lawfare efforts against ice, against ICE agents, against ICE operations, and they just need to have a game plan for how they're going.

D (59:03)

I totally agree.

C (59:04)

Deportation ops continue.

D (59:05)

Well, what happens if there's a standoff if they try and arrest an ICE officer? That is a super interesting, like, and scary question.

C (59:13)

Do not allow them to do it.

D (59:14)

Yeah, but I mean, just imagine if local cops are literally exchanging bullets with federal cops.

C (59:21)

That's the thing. I, again, you kind of think about crises like this. Actually, you know what? People want to make the Civil War comparison. I'll get you a Civil War comparison. Fort Sumter. It's actually worth reading how that crisis goes down. So the south has seceded. And what they are doing is they are claiming ownership of all the federal forts in the south where the US Military is. There's several of them, and we actually evacuate most of them because we can't hold them. But Fort Sumter is off the coast of Charleston, and Lincoln refuses to evacuate it. South Carolina says, you have to leave. We've seceded. You don't own this anymore. Get out. And Lincoln refuses to do this. But what he very importantly does is he's also adamant we are not going to shoot first. We are not going to shoot first. We're not going to shoot first. I'm not going to send any munitions to the fort. I'm only going to send food to the fort as an example. He's only going to supply the men so they can remain in place. But without any addition. He's not going to, like, fill it up with gunpowder and shot. And he's very clever about doing this, because what Lincoln realizes is, if I have this fort open fire on the city of Charleston, we are the aggressors. We look like the bad guys. If the Southerners go up, fly off the handle and start shelling this fort that did not shoot at them, now they are in rebellion, and that will be vastly better for us, frankly, winning the Civil War. And he's hugely correct in this. The south cannot help itself. They open fire on this fort, there's massive rally around the flag sentiment in the North. Everything is different. So if you're going to have a showdown between Minneapolis police and ice, the number one thing is do not let ICE shoot a cop, make a cop shoot one of them if it's going to happen.

D (61:06)

Well, and there was.

B (61:07)

And hopefully that doesn't happen at all.

C (61:09)

Yes, 100% hope it doesn't happen.

D (61:11)

Check this out.

C (61:12)

But that's why they need to have that discussion now, because those lawfare attempts are going to increase.

D (61:18)

So this was actually a statement released yesterday by the. I'm just getting the graphic here by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers association. And they listen to this quote. So hopefully this would bode well for this scenario. Not happening. The Minnesota Police and Peace Officers association stands firmly behind law enforcement officers accountability under the law and the safety of every Minnesota community. Irresponsible, reckless rhetoric from political leaders attacking law enforcement. So they're standing with their ICE brothers is what this says has real and dangerous consequences for officers on the street. When officers are villainized, demonized, or used as political props, it fuels hostility, emboldens bad actors and put lives directly at risk. And they ask to stop using inflammatory language and respect the legal and investigative process. Boom. Hopefully that's a good. Hopefully that means that the cops, all the. All the law enforcement guys are on the same team and they know that. So hopefully that doesn't happen.

B (62:16)

But you get that brotherhood.

D (62:17)

Yeah, it still could, though. I mean, there's still gonna be. There could be bad actors, I bet. You know what? I bet somebody like Tim Walls or Jacob Fry, they have their, like, you know, Somalian, Somalian, like, police force unit that would go in there and do his bidding. It's got like, hey, you know, you gave me the political kickbacks, but I protected your fraud. Now it's time to call in the favor. I need you to go arrest an ica.

C (62:40)

I think we put a lot on this topic.

B (62:43)

What if. What if. So, because Tim Walls I guess he was in the National Guard. I don't know if he still is or not, but somebody was saying that they should recall Tim Walls to the National Guard and then invoke the Insurrection act, but just for Tim Walls.

C (62:57)

That would be funny. That would be funny. I don't know if we have the.

B (63:00)

Power, by the way, and make him have. And by the way, and make him have to go and the spot where the ICE agent was shot. So he has to be the one who has to stand there the whole time. And if he doesn't, he goes to jail, by the way. I did look up the Katrina response was not the Insurrection act, although active duty troops were used. There is another act called, I had to remind myself, called the Stafford act, that is used for when active duty troops come in for disaster response. So. Yes. Well, I love the 82nd Airborne were there, and they use these for hurricanes, you know, routinely.

D (63:35)

I looked up the Whiskey Rebellion, Jack, and that was actually the militia act of 1792. And it was because in those days, right after the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, it was like all the states had militia as local militia groups. And so it was essentially the same thing, but it was, you know, for local militia groups. So.

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C (64:38)

All right, we got an hour. Guys, guys, guys. We have a topic that we have to hit because you won't let us hit it next week. Guys, we have to talk about a different immigration topic we need to talk about.

D (64:49)

This is how.

C (64:50)

Jack, we need to talk about the horse.

D (64:54)

The horse?

C (64:55)

No.

E (64:55)

The whores.

C (64:57)

Andrew. No. Only fans.

D (64:58)

Maduro's wife.

C (64:59)

So this is an un. This is unbelievable. No, you guys are killing me. Oh, yeah, Quick. Mikey, can you stick the mustache back on?

D (65:09)

Yeah, real quick.

C (65:11)

No, this is a headline that was.

B (65:12)

In also here before that was someone else.

C (65:15)

Oh, you're right. You're right.

F (65:16)

So four doors.

C (65:17)

This is Financial Times earlier this week. Influencers and Only fans models dominate us Extraordinary artist visas. Now this is like a hall of fame, somewhat misleading headline because they don't really back that up in the substance. But it's come up. We've talked about the O1 visa on this show and on the O1 visa. So that's kind of the. In short, it's like a genius visa. It's what the people think the H1 visa, H1B visa is. This is what it actually is. It's for supremely talented people who have world class abilities in science, athletics, the arts. You know, supremely talented people. And you just need to have them in your country because they are world class at something and it's long existed. It was created apparently in response to the Nixon administration tried to deport John Lennon, which they should have, but they were apparently unable to do so. But then later, in 1990, Congress created this O1 visa and it includes. It's a visa you can just get if you're a top artist. But instead of giving this to, I guess, top classical musicians or, you know, Olympic caliber athletes, apparently we now give them to social media influencers and only fans models. Basically, if they have millions of followers and a lot of engagement on social media, you can qualify for an O1 visa and come to the United States.

D (66:45)

This is insane. So only fan models and social media influencers are claiming half of coveted US Visas meant for movie stars?

C (66:53)

Yeah.

B (66:54)

So what you're saying is, what you're saying is that it's no longer the O1 visa, it's now the HO1 visa. Immigration, ladies and gentlemen, to be fair.

D (67:08)

What got me laughing more was, was Angelo. I could hear him in the studio cracking up like a beat ahead because it's just the audio gets them.

C (67:17)

It's bad. The best part really like.

D (67:19)

Very good, Jack, Very good article. I'll give you your flowers.

C (67:21)

What's amazing is in the article they have some lawyer complaining and it's not that, oh, we shouldn't have only fans visas as a concept, it's they complain. New York based attorney Shervin Abachi, founder of Abachi Law, warns that there is a risk that artists whose work is not engineered for online hits will be disadvantaged as the immigration officials will just narrowly focus on their number of views and subscribers when granting these. So, like, what if we have the auteur onlyfans whores who have a more niche, a more niche community? What if we're not having enough of these auteur onlyfans whores and we're just getting the, the Most popular ones and the most crass populist way.

D (68:03)

Well, we're getting rid of DEI in just about everything. So, you know, if we're going to take the. Take them, we got to take the best.

F (68:10)

Everything. Everything.

B (68:11)

I mean, guys, like, let me just, let me just say, like, what are we talking? I mean, look, obviously, you know, we don't want. We, we wanted. We want to get rid of the HO1 visa program. There's no question about that. The H1B, the HTV, the J1 and the HO1, they all have to go. But, but you know, when it comes down to it, like, I feel like there should be some kind of, I don't know, like a, like a. Perhaps a some sort of review, you know, situation, perhaps a board. And I think we should point Blake to that board to determine whether or not the hoes are allowed into the country.

D (68:47)

The ho.

F (68:48)

I would really simple, all right.

D (68:50)

There's a really 11 year olds.

F (68:51)

Listen, there's a really simple way to solve this problem with the HO1 visa. It's just they have to have a recommendation letter from their dad in order.

D (69:00)

To get into the country.

C (69:02)

That's a good idea.

D (69:04)

There'd probably be a lot of dad.

C (69:05)

Now if I was on the board, I would accept my position.

F (69:07)

It's only 5% recommendation.

B (69:12)

How would you run the review board?

C (69:13)

How would I run the video? What I would do is I would go to the Bureau of Printing and engraving and I would say you need to make a nice federal seal or stamp, probably a stamp. And they'll make a nice official US government stamp that says on it begone thought. And I will stamp every single application with that stamp and I'll have a great day every day.

D (69:36)

No exceptions. No exceptions.

C (69:37)

No exceptions.

D (69:38)

So wait, what are we talking about? We're talking about foreign visas. I think we should bring in resident expert on foreign travel. President Maduro. What's your take on the HO1 visa?

E (69:50)

Yeah, ain't no problem. I come because they take me. My wife Celia, she come on whole one visa and she didi are number good, number one friend. They like this Celia Hoan you like?

C (70:13)

Maybe not.

F (70:16)

She is not muy bien.

C (70:18)

I could. I think she probably could have been muy bien like 30 years.

F (70:21)

Yeah, 30 years ago for sure. Yeah. She could have got.

D (70:23)

We have some images here.

F (70:25)

She could have got the HO1 visa 30 years ago. Did you know? Wait, this brings up that topic that we talked about not that long ago there. Did you know there's only under the age of 30 there's only 43 million women under the age of 30 in America, and there's 1.33 million on only fans.

D (70:44)

Stop it.

F (70:45)

1.4 million.

D (70:45)

Wait, is that all domestic?

F (70:47)

Yeah, that's America. There's 1.4 million US women creators and there's only. So, I mean, obviously there could be some older, but the swath.

B (70:57)

3%.

F (70:59)

Literally, like one in every 30 women that you. You walk if you come across one out of 30, are like one out of.

C (71:08)

Okay, that just. That just doesn't sound accurate.

D (71:12)

How many women.

C (71:14)

There's a point to this.

F (71:16)

There's a point to my point.

C (71:17)

There's a point.

D (71:18)

There's a point.

F (71:19)

There's a point to this, which is we don't need any international people.

D (71:25)

They're taking jobs away from Americans.

B (71:29)

Listen, he did not go there.

F (71:33)

No, but you have to reserve this for all the American women.

D (71:36)

Okay.

F (71:37)

Like that We.

C (71:37)

We have enough of the.

B (71:39)

One of the things that I wanted to add to that, though, is that I did actually hear this before that apparently, like, only the top 1% of the only. I don't know what you call them. Only fans creators are actually making digital products a living off of that like everybody else. Like, the other 99 are like, very, very. They're just scraping by. They're.

C (72:06)

So.

D (72:06)

Okay, well, there's one.

F (72:07)

There's 1,000 people.

D (72:09)

1.6 million pennies together.

C (72:11)

No.

F (72:13)

Our livestream on Rumble right now. And obviously we'll have a lot more, but I mean, there's a good chance that we have some only fans models that are listening right now.

D (72:20)

Just people really want to hear the percentage on this show.

F (72:23)

Statistically, listen, statistically, we've got one in.

B (72:26)

The top right corner, which.

F (72:27)

Which our. Our argument would be is like, look, we've got plenty of jobs to go chase ballots this year. We. Yeah, we come work for. Do that. Don't do only fans.

D (72:38)

We do not need any HR problems with our ballot chasers.

F (72:41)

No. They work amongst themselves in their own community.

D (72:44)

Okay, right, so they ballot chase on.

F (72:46)

That's better than OnlyFans. No, that's better than only. So what's bad if you're a beautiful person legal, we want you going to chase ballots.

D (72:53)

I'm looking at some of the images of these women that got the visas. We could throw one of them up. Do we. I don't know if we need to blur it.

B (73:01)

I think we need. I think we need.

D (73:02)

These are not.

B (73:03)

They're not sending their best word right now.

D (73:05)

They're not sending their best. Okay. So.

C (73:11)

We need to say.

D (73:15)

Oh my gosh.

B (73:16)

Let them in or be gone. Need to say let them in or be gone.

D (73:20)

Yeah, throw that up. Go ahead, Noah, throw that up.

B (73:23)

What do we got? What do we got?

D (73:25)

This is what we had to do to share it on. On this program. They're not sending their best. This is your new neighbor.

B (73:32)

No, can't do it.

D (73:33)

Complicated.

B (73:34)

No, I'm not in. Be gone. Be gone.

C (73:37)

Yeah. No. Reject. Reject. Reject.

B (73:40)

Reject. Be gone. President. President. President. Maduro. Do you have only fans in. In Venezuela?

E (73:48)

No, I shut down. I shut down. They do it for me for free.

B (73:55)

Oh, for you for free. I see. Interesting.

D (73:57)

Oh, wait, I heard. I heard you anti gay marriage. I heard that was your. Your big selling point.

B (74:02)

Point. Wait, you don't have gay marriage either?

H (74:03)

Hey, no problem.

E (74:05)

But why you say my Celia not beautiful? Can you.

B (74:09)

Oh, that was a picture of Celia.

E (74:11)

Three, four, eight.

D (74:12)

Yeah, see?

B (74:14)

Oh, that was Celia. Guys, I didn't realize that was a picture of his wife. Andrew, why. Presidente. You're out kicking your coverage. You married up. You married up.

E (74:34)

See, I did. She isn't bad at all.

B (74:38)

I'm into it.

E (74:39)

I love you.

F (74:41)

Oh, yeah, no, Maduro's got.

D (74:45)

She's apparently a real like, real harsh woman. Like she's the muscle behind the. The regime.

F (74:53)

Look at her face.

D (74:53)

She was. She worked for Hugo Chavez too.

B (74:56)

Madam.

D (74:58)

Okay, she worked for Hugo. That's how. That's how. And she's. She apparently wields quite a bit of power. Wheel did. That's why they arrested her. She was a. She's. She looks.

F (75:08)

She looks mean.

B (75:09)

Gen Z baddie. Baddie, though. That's a different kind of baddie.

E (75:13)

She a baddie?

C (75:16)

Oh, no.

D (75:16)

Yeah. Madero was happy to spend a night in the. The cell because he didn't have to deal with Celia. I don't know, Jesse.

E (75:26)

She spank me if I not do good communism.

D (75:33)

Well, listen, in general, I think we should get rid of the H1B. I think we should go full. We could do 25, 50,000 genius visas. No social media influencers. Maybe like 100. But they have to be like really good.

C (75:50)

No, no, no. I think the best way to. The best research we can do on if you want to understand social media influences, our policy should be. There's a thing you guys can read. We were talking about history on this episode. Let's do it again. So in China they had a thing called the Cultural Revolution. And they took their, you know, they took people in their cities, they took their educated elites and all of that. And they trucked them into the countryside and they made them work as agricultural laborers. And they would humiliate. They would like ritual. They would, you know, humiliate them and berate them and beat them and treat them like crap. And occasionally they basically get murdered and all of that. And I only cite that as an example because that's what you. We should do that to the influencers.

H (76:31)

Keep the hookers and the hoes out of our country. I don't want any of them.

B (76:36)

There's my mass struggle sessions.

F (76:39)

1.4 million women on only fans is a lot. And I do think that this is a real problem. This is like a bigger problem that I've just. I may be thinking about. The monetization of influencers has created a whole new channel of a different kind.

D (76:56)

Of lazy mental illness.

F (76:58)

Mental illness. And like.

B (77:01)

And again.

F (77:01)

And in part this is part of the media just kind of slowly destroying itself. And so now people are going to individuals and they're getting paid to say things. But I think that's created a whole, a whole new situation where you have a lot of people saying just crazy stuff on the Internet. You have a lot of people just posting crazy stuff on the Internet. And genuinely, it's not healthy for society. Society needs people who are productive and doing things that are contributive. And we don't have a lot of that on the Internet. And that's a problem.

C (77:31)

Apparently in China they make the state media makes rom coms about like industrialists who are trying to develop new power plants and such.

D (77:40)

Really?

C (77:40)

I, they, I guess they just, they have the order from on high. You guys have to make it cool to be a scientist and a manufacturer.

F (77:47)

This is why we're losing.

D (77:48)

Yeah, we have King of Queens. What do you do? Like sell insurance or something like that.

C (77:52)

At least that's a real job insure, like influencer. That is. I want to be famous for existing. That is a bad thing to aspire to.

F (77:59)

Jerry Seinfeld kind of is the blame for all this, right?

D (78:02)

How so?

F (78:03)

His whole. I mean, he was a comedian.

D (78:06)

Yeah, he was comedian. That's a real job. I just watched Ricky Gervais last night.

C (78:11)

That's entertainer. At least people have to pay to show up.

D (78:13)

At least he has to write jokes and like and you know, gig out. He has to do gigs and work, refine his craft and his sets. I mean, it's not something better.

F (78:22)

It's not assembling a powerful.

C (78:23)

Also in the show version, in real life, Jerry Seinfeld was a Rich comedian in the show. He's like a failing comedian.

D (78:29)

No, he's not failing. Remember, he buys his dad the Cadillac and it was like a big deal. I mean, he shows how much you get made, how much. How much you.

C (78:36)

But he's not big time. He's like a normal.

D (78:38)

But he's. He has money, remember? And, like, Elaine looks him like all. Like, she gets all, like, hot and bothered because she finds out he's got money. He's got more money than the rest of confession.

C (78:47)

I've only seen about five Seinfeld.

D (78:48)

Oh, my goodness. What?

C (78:50)

I'm younger than you guys. Seinfeld got canceled when I was, like, seven.

F (78:52)

You didn't watch all of Seinfeld during. During COVID No, you're.

A (78:57)

I don't.

C (78:57)

I don't even.

B (78:58)

You're allowed to.

C (78:59)

Not subscribing to social media or not subscribing to streaming.

D (79:04)

Yeah, because Netflix has. Has all sides.

F (79:06)

No, but I just buy them.

D (79:07)

No, after. After Charlie died, I literally rewatched all of Seinfeld. Yeah.

F (79:11)

Yeah.

D (79:12)

Well, I'm Seven season in seven season.

F (79:15)

I watched it, I think at the same time that Charlie was watching it.

B (79:18)

On during COVID Who will not wear the ribbon. But the question is, are you going to watch Kirby enthusiasm?

F (79:26)

I can't. I can't get on board.

D (79:28)

I like her. I do. But you know what? I would watch it because RFK's wife. That's what I'll do.

B (79:34)

Yeah. And be well. But also because, like, there's a season of Kirby Enthusiasm, which is kind of like the Seinfeld reunion season as well.

D (79:40)

Yeah. Oh, it is. I didn't realize that I'm not a huge.

I (79:44)

Yeah.

B (79:45)

He brings all of the cast back and they, like. It's like a show within a show. So it's like, it shows how the Seinfeld reunion takes place, but because it's Larry David. It's like you're watching a show about Larry David trying to do a Seinfeld reunion. And then so through the course of the whole season, you see basically, like, one Seinfeld episode, but, like, you know, whatever.

D (80:07)

15 years. I'm still pretty upset that Steve Bannon figured out how a way to get some money out of the Seinfeld show that was, I mean, good for him.

B (80:15)

It's true.

D (80:15)

Not upset.

B (80:16)

It's true. Bannon still got a piece of it. To this day.

D (80:18)

He's got a piece of the Seinfeld.

I (80:20)

Yeah.

D (80:20)

Isn't that wild?

C (80:21)

Hey, we're almost about to end, but we have to Read a rumble rant before we go because we got one. This is from Sandra Gebhart. Everyone needs to read. Can you guys guess the book that everyone wants to read? It's Jack Poso's Brave book, the island of Free Ice Cream.

B (80:39)

Oh gosh.

C (80:40)

My 7 year old overheard Mamdani promising free bus rides and he said, that man won't give those people free bus rides. So thank you, Sandra. Jack is super hype. Thank you very much for that. And yes, everyone go check it out. I didn't even know that book existed. But it exists.

B (80:59)

Yeah. So in 2021, I put out with Brave books. Love Brave books. An anti communist children's book called the island of Free Ice Cream. And it's sort of a way to begin to teach little kids, you know, and it's a great series in general. Is also the introduction of one of the characters in the series. But this book is all about teaching you how if somebody walks up and starts promising you all sorts of free stuff like, I don't know, an island of free ice cream, that maybe, just maybe they're lying because they want something from you and they want you to give it to them.

D (81:34)

Sweet. That's actually really cool. Good for you. I'm so glad that something you did a few years ago, Jack is bearing fruit today with the younger generation.

B (81:44)

No, my, my kid love. My kid loves the series. Like we don't do. We don't because there's like a, like a larger story to the series and this is just like one part of it. You can read them individually. But my kids, like we don't do Star Wars, Harry Potter or any of that like demonic stuff. So we just do, you know, like for them, Brave books is like their, their like Avengers, Star wars kind of stuff.

D (82:10)

Maduro Presidente. Maduro. Gracias, porvenir. Thank you. Thank you, Mikey.

E (82:17)

Thank you.

C (82:19)

All right.

E (82:19)

Thank you very much.

C (82:21)

We've been, we've been going. I think some people want to watch the college football playoff.

D (82:26)

It starts about three minutes.

C (82:27)

Our team here in Arizona. I remember Charlie playing this all the time. They found one of. They found Charlie's favorite Seinfeld bit. So how about we just close with that and then let's do it and the show.

F (82:38)

So who is everyone? Who's everyone pulling for? Hang on.

C (82:41)

I don't.

F (82:41)

Miami or Ole Miss.

C (82:43)

I don't care.

D (82:43)

Ole Miss, we had that big event there. Yeah.

F (82:46)

Let's go ahead and play Elaine Kiffin.

D (82:48)

List Ole Miss and keep committing thought crime.

G (82:53)

You're checked in.

D (82:54)

Thank you.

B (82:54)

Here's your AIDS ribbon.

H (82:55)

No, thanks.

G (82:56)

You don't want to wear an AIDS ribbon?

D (82:57)

No, no.

G (82:58)

But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.

B (83:00)

I have to?

H (83:01)

Yes.

D (83:01)

Yeah. See, that's why I don't want to.

C (83:03)

But everyone wears the ribbon. You must wear the ribbon. You know what you are?

D (83:08)

You're a ribbon bully. Hey.

B (83:11)

Hey, you.

C (83:11)

Come back here. Come back here and put this on.

I (83:13)

Hey, where's your ribbon?

D (83:15)

Oh, I don't wear the ribbon. You don't wear the ribbon?

C (83:17)

Who do you think you are? Put the ribbon on.

E (83:20)

Hey, Cedric, Bob, this guy won't wear a ribbon.

F (83:24)

Who?

E (83:25)

Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon?

B (83:28)

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