THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 120 — AI President? 42-Year-Old Soldiers? Pagan Lord of the Rings?

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show: THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 120 — AI President? 42-Year-Old Soldiers? Pagan Lord of the Rings?

Date: March 28, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk, with Jack Posobiec, Blake, Russ, Andrew, and others

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of THOUGHTCRIME, Charlie Kirk and the crew dive into a range of provocative and timely topics: the wild concept of an "AI President," the US military’s new enlistment age of 42, and debates about whether Lord of the Rings is pagan or effeminate—or maybe even “gay.” The panel mixes humor, banter, and cultural critique, keeping the energy high as they tackle both serious and absurd angles on each subject. They close with a viral true crime story involving a quadruple-amputee cornhole champion accused of murder.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI President—Would You Vote for One?

[05:16–29:45]

• Prompt: A recent Joe Rogan podcast clip proposes the idea of ceding the presidency to an AI for better, "balanced" governance.
• Crew Reaction:
  • Skepticism about predictability and vulnerability in war or crises.
  • Concerns about which model (Grok, Claude, Gemini?) would be chosen and who would "prompt" the president.
  • Jack notes the unpredictability and “human element” as core strengths of past presidents: "If you're an enemy...the ability to be unpredictable is important." ([06:13])
  • Discussion of AI recreations of former presidents (e.g., Glenn Beck’s AI George Washington).
  • Parallels drawn between having actors portray historical figures and AI-generated narratives.
  • Experiential divide discussed: online drama about MAGA division vs. in-person unity at CPAC.

Notable Quotes

• Jack Posobiec: "The 2016 Trump is pure MAGA energy... ripping everybody on the stage, just tearing everybody a new one, it was amazing." ([14:52])
• Charlie Kirk: "If you could input the AI president, would it just be a predictable output? The human element—the unpredictability—you'd take that off the table." ([06:13])

Additional Insights

• AI Biased Models: Debated whether any AI model is truly non-woke; Grok viewed as least left-leaning but less advanced; Claude and ChatGPT perceived as “lib.”
• Utopian AI Leaders: The crew asks Grok what an optimal AI president would be like ("President Apex: incorruptible, superhuman, maximizing American flourishing"), highlighting utopian allure and its fundamental flaws.

Memorable Exchange

• Blake (quoting Grok): "President Apex would have zero self-interest, no legacy obsession, no book deals… only one terminal goal: maximizing long-term American flourishing." ([27:21])

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2. U.S. Military Enlistment Age Raised to 42

[31:20–36:58]

• News Item: U.S. military raises max enlistment age from 34 to 42; also eases marijuana rules.
• Jack’s Take (as military vet):
  • Not new—waivers for 40+ have existed. "It's a pretty perfunctory process, not that hard to get."
  • "I don't think that it's anything other than that… they just have so much demand for people. That's a white pill." ([33:59])
• Skepticism: Others express concern it might signal recruitment shortages, drawing parallels to Ukraine drafting older soldiers.
• Nuance Added: Special Forces/clearance positions likely to have stricter rules.

Notable Quote

• Jack Posobiec: "...I think it's actually evidence that we're moving away from needing to have a draft because we've got so many people that are trying to join." ([35:57])

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3. Lord of the Rings: Pagan or Christian? Effeminate or Epic?

[39:57–52:04]

• News: Peter Jackson teams up with Stephen Colbert to create a new Lord of the Rings film, presumably focusing on lesser-known chapters.
• Debate:
  • Whether LOTR is "effeminate" (Tyler’s past claim, pushed back by Charlie and others).
  • Extensive banter about "gay readings" and queer-coding in Jackson’s trilogy, especially Frodo-Sam relationship.
  • Comparison to Narnia (overtly Christian)—Tolkien’s work lacks churches, Christ figures, but has clear moral dichotomies.
  • Is it pagan? Jack argues, "Honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, is overtly pagan," citing pantheons of powerful creatures and its mythic structure. ([50:20])
• Pop Culture Side Note: Frozen is called “queer-coded” as an explicit contrast ([56:58]).

Notable Quotes

• Charlie Kirk: "The fact that Lord of the Rings appealed to Colbert is proof enough that it’s probably..." ([52:04])
• Jack Posobiec: “…Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan. There’s no church, there’s no faith, there’s no Christ figure… it’s more like Norse mythology.” ([50:20])
• Blake (on film interpretations): “Peter Jackson’s adaptations lean into the emotional intimacy… which has amplified queer readings for a new generation of fans.” ([55:06])

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4. True Crime: The Quadruple-Amputee Cornhole Pro Accused of Murder

[59:17–68:41]

• Story Recap: Dayton Weber, a quadruple-amputee and professional cornhole player, is arrested for the shooting death of a passenger during a car argument.
• Crew Reactions:
  • Both awe and shock that he was capable of such acts given his physical state.
  • Darkly comic puns about “giving a hand,” “unarmed man,” “case doesn’t have a leg to stand on.”
  • Reflection on trauma, disability, and how online culture turns even tragic stories into punchlines.
• Empathy: Charlie is deeply moved by footage of Weber as a child; the crew agrees it’s tragic someone who overcame so much ended in this situation.

Notable Quotes

• Charlie Kirk: “That is, like, really sad.” ([61:55])
• Blake: “You can say you have to look out for an unarmed man.” ([63:07])
• Jack Posobiec: “You know what they say, people with disabilities can do anything.” ([65:34])

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Memorable Moments, Quotes, & Timestamps

• AI President Discussion — "I pledge my loyalty to AI Trump!" ([14:25] – Jack)
• Best Traits Combo — "You would produce Donald J. Trump. Let’s go." ([29:45] – Jack)
• Debating Lord of the Rings’ ‘gayness’ — "Sam and Frodo’s relationship… it’s just bro-tastic." ([47:48] – Charlie)
• Queer-Coding in ‘Frozen’ — "Frozen is absolutely queer-coded. It is two females… No, no, no, I’m telling you, it’s about sisterhood against men." ([57:58] – Jack)
• On the Cornhole Pro’s Case — "There is nothing this man can’t do, except—well, drag a body out of the car." ([62:43] – Charlie)

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Segment Timestamps

• [05:16] – AI President concept from Rogan
• [14:44] – Favorite “Trump year” for hypothetical AI
• [21:00] – Review of AI platform bias (Grok, Claude, Gemini)
• [27:21] – Grok describes “President Apex”
• [31:20] – US Military raises enlistment age
• [39:57] – New Lord of the Rings film discussion
• [46:13] – “Is Lord of the Rings gay?” debate
• [52:04] – The case for LOTR as pagan
• [59:17] – Quadruple-amputee true crime story
• [65:34] – Reflections on overcoming adversity

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Tone & Language

Unapologetically irreverent and culture-war-centric, with a blend of snark, humor, and occasional empathy. Regular banter and a refusal to take sacred cows too seriously, whether in politics, pop culture, or even viral crime stories. Frequent use of internet-native humor, memes, and audience call-ins.

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Final Thoughts

This THOUGHTCRIME episode stands out for mixing high-level culture-war analysis with playful, sometimes provocative banter. Whether mocking the plausibility of an AI president, wondering if recruiting 42-year-old soldiers is a sign of decline, or dissecting the legacy of Tolkien, the crew’s mix of sincerity and sarcasm keeps listeners both informed and entertained.

Quote to sum it up:
"Go out there and commit more thought crime." ([69:09] – Jack)

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Transcript

[A]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[B]

Use me.

[A]

Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold. But the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers.

[C]

All right, welcome to Thursday. It's obviously a Thursday edition of Thoughtcrime. Welcome, everybody. And we have a new member of the Thoughtcrime crew making his first appearance on the Thursday Thought Crime.

[D]

Because Tyler forgot to tell us he wasn't going to be here.

[C]

I actually. I like the look. I like the vibe. We might have gotten an upgrade here. I'm just saying. I mean, don't tell Tyler I said that.

[E]

We'll see.

[C]

Spacey, one of Jack's producers. So welcome, Russ. Welcome to the set.

[D]

Everybody. Say hello.

[C]

Jack, where the heck are you right now?

[B]

I am in the heart of freedom, the Lone Star State, Dallas, Texas, for cpac. And so, as is tradition, we are now holding my yearly Thought crime from cpac.

[C]

So what do you think of Texas, Jack? What's your, like. Give me your unvarnished take on Texas. You're a New England guy. It's really big.

[B]

It's, you know, it's just one of those things where, like, everything's bigger in Texas. And as an east coast guy, I suppose it's all out west in general. I'm used to states being like a certain kind of size that you can drive for a couple hours and still, you know, and go to multiple states. You'll see multiple cities. There's lots going on. Whereas Texas, it's like you could drive for three hours in any direction and there's still Texas. There's more of Texas yet to come. And so it's. It's just this. It's just this totally kind of out of, you know, out of body experience when I'm here. But what's amazing is that when you go around Texas, it's. You don't have to really play this game of, like, trying to see who's conservative, because it's pretty much just like everybody's conservative. And it's so cool to see that, because, again, coming from the east coast, you always sort of have to feel out where people are, whereas in Texas, it's actually like, oh, wait, someone's a liberal. That's like the one out of ten.

[C]

You know what? If you have ever driven the 20 from East Texas to El Paso, literally feels like it's never ending. It is the longest drive, and then especially when you get to, like, west Texas, it just. It's just.

[D]

And there's, like, no vegetation. Like, there's just kind of nothing.

[C]

Well, there's, like, oil rigs, and then

[D]

you run into El Paso, and I guess it's okay.

[C]

It's all right.

[D]

UTEP is kind of cool.

[E]

I drove.

[B]

There's. There's no vegetation, but what there is is Bucky's.

[C]

It was Russ's first thing he was going to say on the show. And, you know, Jackie's. Oh, no, no.

[E]

I. No, I drove to Austin for one of my birthdays, just all the way through from Phoenix. From Phoenix. And it was. It was a long drive.

[C]

It's a long drive.

[E]

Once you hit eight hours, you're like, okay, I need to get out of this car now, please.

[C]

All right, well, here we are. Jack, you want to take us on our first. Our first topic here, or do you have more to add?

[B]

Well, I can, but I should also shout out that even though this is the first time that producer Russ has been on the show, it is not the first time he was mentioned on the show because he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we got to put out the news that Big Russ just got engaged.

[C]

Oh, that's right. That was.

[B]

Let's go.

[C]

Let's go. How's that going?

[B]

And by the way, to an American great.

[C]

Yes, yes. So. So there is a lot of. You know, listen, there's a lot of tension between the sexes right now. This is a big. It's a big topic of discussion, especially amongst the kids. And so you kind of like the outlier right now actually doing the thing. Getting married. Young guy setting off on the American dream.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Young. I don't feel young. You're pretty young. All right, we're gonna get into it. Blake, do you want to take us away on the first.

[D]

Yeah. All right.

[C]

AI President.

[D]

Yes. So we were strongly, we were planning on something else. And then this clip just shot across the bow. This is apparently a recent Joe Rogan episode. And he says he is prepared, he is ready to embrace the future, which is ceding the executive branch to an AI robot. Let's play clip number one.

[E]

Not on either buddy anyone's side. But I think the Democrats aren't ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or I'm not with either or I'm with whoever makes sense and no one makes sense until AI comes along.

[B]

I think they're going to do a really good job.

[E]

President Perplexity is going to run this country fairly and balanced.

[B]

I'm willing to try it at this point.

[E]

I'm dead serious, man. As long as it doesn't, like, do something to harm people. As long as, like, that's its goal is just to manage society. It's a big if that you got there. But yes, if we can get that. Well, but what you just said, I think is really, well, this.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

AI President.

[B]

Yes. That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah, that's nuts. By the way, it's like, which AI are you. Are you talking about? You talking about Claude? You talking about Grok? You talking about? What are the other ones? Gemini?

[D]

And let's not even get into starts about who's going to prompt the AI.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. But like, also, you know, okay, for example, we talk about President Trump. Listen, the war can't get out of it soon enough, no doubt. But part of his ability as president is to be unpredictable. If you could just like, input a. If you're enemy and you're Iran, and you could just be like, is Trump going to drop a bomb on me today? And the AI would give you a predictable output. That's not a real good way to wage a war. The human element, the unpredictability, you would just take that off the table completely. But, like, I understand his underlying frustration because a lot of people that were Trump voters are feeling frustrated by the fact that we're going to war. Rogan is express frustration with Minneapolis and the deportation. So he's, he. I feel like this is more of a play for him to sort of, you know, express his independence more than anything.

[D]

Well, what if we talk about, we just imagine the AI President, but in theory, you could make an AI version of a specific president.

[C]

So, like.

[D]

Well, obviously there's a famous. Yes, there's a famous example. And we'll, we'll actually let's do that clip just to show us what we're getting into. So for those who aren't aware, Glenn Beck over at the Blaze has created an AI iteration of our first president that he asks questions to.

[C]

Is Glenn at cpac, Jack? Have you seen him? I'm just curious. Curious. The crowd there. Just curious. The crowd there, the makeup of the attendees, that's all.

[D]

Yeah, well, we'll show the clip of

[B]

AI George Washington real quick, if you want to on that. You know, I know there's this whole narrative about, like, MAGA division and the movement is divided, and I'm just not really seeing that here. It's. And, and, you know, it's online. I live online and we get the emails in, but in terms of the attendees who came here, I'm just not seeing it.

[C]

Well, what's the average age? That would be another question.

[B]

Average age is older. You know, what's interesting is there's obviously baby boomers are, you know, the, you know, the largest cohort, but then there's a bunch of young Republicans, too much turning point kids. So they, you know, they. It's a narrower band. I'd say maybe it's only 10% in that. In that bucket, but that skews the average down.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I think, I think the MAGA divide is like, to the extent that it's real, and I actually do believe that it's like, somewhat real. I think it skews younger. I think the, the older MAGA crowd is the one that's probably more predictably like, rah, rah. Yeah, they're, they're like, they've got more patience for things like the war. They've got more patience for, you know, gas prices going up a little bit. I think if you're younger, you don't have as much money, you're worried about your jobs, you're worried about not only an AI president, you're worried about AI just taking your job. Right. So I think, you know, anyways, that we should play the George Washington and we should.

[B]

All right, we should say real quick on that, you know, seeing as we're. We're recording this Thursday. We're live Thursday, but if you're listening to this on the podcast, list drops on Saturday. Who knows, we may have boots on the ground already.

[D]

Yeah, exactly. Well, we'll see. But anyway, we'll.

[C]

Details, details, details, details.

[D]

Anyway, let's play clip number two.

[B]

George.

[A]

We are trying to not fight foreign

[B]

wars and not be involved in the

[A]

world's policemen, but there are times that we have to demonstrate strength in order to prevent conflict.

[B]

But I don't know where the foreign

[A]

entanglement begins and where it ends.

[F]

When I was president, I did not crave power. I didn't strut in my uniform dreaming of conquest. In fact, I begged several times to not be the General and not be the President. I didn't want it, but I understood my responsibility. And I also understood that some things that, that are easy to forget when you're staring down bayonets. Peace is not the default. It has to be guarded deliberately with foresight and strength. My generation lived through a fragile independence. Our new republic was surrounded, literally and figuratively, by instability. Most of the founders believed that we would not survive to 1820. We thought it was an interesting experiment. European powers were sniffing the opportunities. States were threatening to splinter. Loyalists were lurking. None of this was hypothetical. It was the daily background noise of early America.

[C]

Okay, man, that was like three times longer than I needed.

[D]

Whatever, whatever. Anyway. But like I love how he says like I didn't go strutting around in my uniform. The actual George Washington totally went strutting around in a uniform. He would not be in a T shirt like that.

[C]

He had strut equity. He had struck.

[B]

Can I. I mean this might be like a hot take, I don't know, but I actually like, you know, the use of AI for historical purposes like that. Like if you have George Washington just telling stories like that and he's narrating it himself, you know, obviously an AI recreation, but that's definitely from. Not to talk about current politics, but if he's just talking about how things were at the time, you know, I don't really see it any different than having someone dress up as an actor and playing George Washington. I think it's kind of cool.

[C]

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[E]

this is actually gonna explain that I am absolutely a homeschooler. But if anybody has heard of Adventures in Odyssey, one of the things they used to do is they had like this coffee shop and there were like AI holograms of different people from history that you could talk to. And so that's just the first thing that comes to mind when Jack was talking about it.

[C]

So you're saying Glenn. Glenn Beck just ripped off that idea completely, 100%.

[E]

The radio drama Adventures in Odyssey was ripped off? Yes, for sure.

[C]

Okay, so I love Jack. I love your glass half full of this all like, I really do. And, and I. But I just, I don't know, like, I just wonder, like, I think Glenn probably made this for kids, but I think kids are gonna find this cringe. Or like teenagers, college kids, you think?

[D]

Like, I don't know what's interesting. So the thing about it is, yeah, we're looking at these ancient presidents who, okay, whatever, this is a historical recreation. But think about this fact. If we're talking about AI presidents, Donald Trump is probably the single most recorded person in history, in human history. And like, they, if they. You were able to feed every single tweet, every single press conference ever, every single video of President Trump ever, you could probably create a more reliable facsimile of him than any other person using an AI model. And you're not saying he's lost his fast and you're not.

[C]

He's not as Trump as he once was.

[D]

All I'm gonna say is I am pretty sure there is a non zero portion of the base, probably a non negligible portion of the base that could be convinced to vote for AI Donald Trump to be the Republican.

[B]

I will vote for AI Trump immediately.

[C]

I pledge my loyalty. Pledge loyalty to AI Trump, Jack. Ok, if you had to take one year of Trump and you were gonna base an AI president off of one year, you had to, like, the accomplishments, the tone, the tenor, the energy. One year President Trump, what would it be?

[B]

80s Trump.

[C]

80s Trump.

[B]

I want like 1980, like Trump.

[C]

I was thinking like 2016, 17, 18, 19.

[B]

The gold you know, I mean, I mean, look, 2015, 2016. Trump will. Will ultimately, politically speaking, always be my favorite Trump. Trump. When he's up there on stage, when he's just ripping everybody in the Republican primary, from Rand Paul to Jeb Bush to Ted Cruz, who. It does. He didn't care. It's equal opportunity. Just tearing everybody a new one. And he's just coming on the stage and it was amazing. It was a thing of beauty. If, if you were there, you were there. I mean, you had to be there. And that was always my favorite Trump. Trump at the RNC 2016 in Ohio. I think it was August 2016. That. That was still my favorite speech. It was a presage to the American carnage inaugural. Inaugural speech that we got from Trump. But he's just going through, talking about all the crime, the murder, so many things that are wrong in the country. I loved it. Loved every second of it.

[C]

Yeah, but he didn't actually govern that year. That's the only thing. But you're talking about just like a pure distill, distilled energy standpoint.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. The 2016 energy will always be sort of that pure MAGA energy.

[E]

There's that clip of Trump where he's talking about how what he wants in a president and I think it's like probably 80s, 90s. That's the Trump, like having like listened to that clip a couple times, like, that's the Trump that I would want. Because that's very in the same vein as like George Washington. It's very in the vein. Same vein as like a reluctant leader that actually just wants to do the best, like the most good, in my opinion.

[C]

Who would.

[D]

Who would also let us know via rumble rant, especially if who you would prefer to have as an AI President. If can be any president.

[C]

I don't think. Yeah, I don't think that's what Rogan and Dave Smith were. Were saying, though. I think what they were saying was

[D]

they were just imagining an AI.

[C]

They were imagining anything's better than the crap we had.

[D]

No, that would be a disaster.

[C]

That was their. That was their point.

[E]

I mean, we did go through four years of Biden being Biden.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

So we might have. We might have auto.

[B]

We had from an AI President.

[C]

Yeah. Except for the fact that it was like the radical progressive apparatchiks that were actually.

[B]

No, but if I. All right, let me. Let me steel, man. Let me try to steel, man. I think what Rogan was trying to say there is that. Which I don't agree with, but But I think I get what he's trying to say. He's trying to say that he felt like, like the President isn't even living up to his promises and is saying that I want an AI president in the sense that you put two platforms on the ballot together, you know, red platform and blue platform. And if, if red wins, then it just governs based on exactly what it said at the time. So the AI can't deviate from that. And so I guess the pushback on that would be if that is indeed what he was saying that. Well, President Trump always said mass deportation. So if your issue is deportations in Minneapolis or whatever. Well, he specifically said that on the campaign trail every, every single chance that he got. So I don't know where this idea that Trump isn't for mass deportations came from or that he shouldn't be for it. And because he said that over and over.

[C]

Yeah. You know what's interesting about Rogan, So Rogan, you know, he recently came after Erica, which I obviously didn't appreciate. But then, like, he was doing this stuff where he was. I think he basically said he didn't think Bibi Netanyahu was alive. So he like fell for the, he fell for the like, AI angle and

[D]

stuff like that video. He only had five fingers.

[C]

I'm starting to get convinced that he's just kind of like, you know, he's taking the algorithm, like whatever's rising to the top of the algorithm and kind of like. So my point there is, is that when, you know, obviously the media turned on mass deportations with Minneapolis. Right. It was the Renee Good and the Alex Preddy and it kind of just like instantly, as soon as the media narrative, like we lost the media narrative because of those two killings, it was like we lost Rogan on, On, on that.

[D]

I like this take from Sandra in the chat. You could argue that Elon Musk being president and making data driven decisions would be the same as an AI president. I actually kind of agree, but for the unsurprising, a slightly different reason, which is you've seen how Elon will occasionally just do something extremely chaotic or erratic. Like when he renamed his account Kakius Maximus.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Or.

[D]

Or similar things like that sort of put spamming all the Pepe's everywhere. The obsession with Dogecoin. And that's totally an AI thing to do. Like, oh, something just went a little weird and now the AI is suddenly obsessed with Kekius Maximus.

[C]

I don't know. I don't know if there's even like an, like, you know, they say this about California, so when I was living in California, they would always say it's an ungovernable state, which it is. Well, if California is an ungovernable governor able state, then how much more so is America? Because it's bigger. It's really hard to, to be a successful president, to be like there's so many competing factions, so many competing ideas, so many like media trends and news stories. And I mean, I don't know, maybe AI would be better at it, be more efficient of taking in all the inputs.

[D]

In truth, the biggest problem with AI is a lot of the AIs are innately woke. I mean, this is true. If you run the numbers on an AI, for example, and say here's a set of 5,000 resumes. Rank them in the order they should be hired it systematically. For example, just does racial discrimination without being told to.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

In the way that you would expect a liberal.

[C]

That's not all AIs. Right. Not all AIs are created equal.

[D]

Not all AIs are the same. My understanding is basically all of them do show that bias. I think GROK has the least and it's possibly just because Elon made them insert hard in there. Yeah. Don't do racism against white people.

[C]

Yeah. But apparently GROK is the most behind too.

[D]

Yeah. GROK is not as. They're gonna get mad at us, but GROK is not as advanced as some of them in some ways. But it is the. I would say least. Least lived out.

[C]

Yeah, for sure. It's the least lived out. Right.

[D]

Yeah. Claude is very lib.

[C]

I've heard like horror stories about the people that run that.

[D]

Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, they're effective. Altruist man.

[C]

Jack, do you, do you have a read on which AIs are like, besides Grok, are there any like decent AIs out there that are not woke?

[B]

You know, it's. It's really hard to say. I mean I, I'll say that I use GROK for, you know, if I'm doing like just light research or something like that. But then images. ChatGPT is just so much better at that. There's no question that it's. It. You can generate, you can get things, you can make things, you can alter images, chatgpt. It's. It's very, very fast. I haven't messed around with Claude as much. I'm just not as familiar with it. But those, those are the two that I, that I, that I rock with is, Is a Rock with Grock. What can I. That should be the slogan, right? A Rock with Grock.

[C]

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[D]

Grok definitely is the most absurd in terms of indulging the weird hypotheticals that I give it. So, like, if I went to Claude and was like, what would happen in Iran if President Trump just like, deployed maybe like a bunch of 80s rock stars to overwhelm them with the power of rock and roll to win the war? Like, Claude would be like, I don't think that's a reasonable situation and that would be dumb. But like, Grok would totally run with it and like, come up with a convoluted scenario where like, the power of rock music would melt the Ayatollah's face off and it'd be like, rock the Kasbah.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Yeah, we did that to the Soviet Union though.

[C]

Yeah, we did.

[B]

Metallica played in Moscow and Ozzy went over and there's. There's a whole bunch of bands that went over. It was like, the. The rock and Moscow. Those videos are incredible.

[C]

Man. What a. What a different country, by the way. What a different, like, Western civilization.

[D]

What if the best AI president was a Chinese AI?

[C]

Oh, what are you saying?

[B]

I want a Japanese AI president. Hold on, wait. Because I want. Hold on, hold on. I want a president who's like the Japanese version of an American president. You know what I mean? When you see, like, American politicians in Japanese anime, they're just like. They're just like, like, Donald Trump is a giant and he's got like, superpowers and stuff.

[D]

Yeah, maybe. What if we had, okay, a Chinese AI that is told to generate a Japanese AI's idea of an American AI. President.

[C]

It's too meta.

[B]

That's probably the most likely.

[D]

That might be. That might give us the best president, though.

[C]

What if we took the best features of every single American president and put them into an amalgamation of one AI?

[D]

Wait, I've got an idea. I'm just gonna go to Grok and I'm gonna ask it. What would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each president?

[C]

There you go.

[D]

All right, I'm gonna get on that. I'll be right back.

[C]

47 presidents. Yeah. Well, it's really only 40.

[D]

Yeah. So let's get on.

[C]

Actually, different presidents have we had? Because Teddy repeated.

[D]

We have had. We have had 45 total presidents. Yeah.

[C]

All right, all right.

[B]

45 presidents, but 47 presidencies.

[C]

Correct. Trump 1.0. Trump 2.0.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I would take the first hundred days of Trump 1.0 and just, like, straight into my veins again and again and

[B]

again when Steve Banham was there.

[C]

Shock and odd. No, I'm talking about 2.0. The first hundred days of Trump 2.0. Yeah. First 100 days of Trump 1.0 is. Was frenetic, but first one, I think it wasn't even. That's an interesting question. That's an interesting question, Jack. The first hundred days of Trump 1.0. I think that's when he looked at. What was that guy's name? Jim Acosta, and he was like, you are fake news. Which was pretty. I mean, some of that stuff was actually pretty groundbreaking. It was so iconic.

[B]

I mean, it's so iconic. So legendary.

[C]

He.

[B]

He just did things that you couldn't possibly do. And. And you're right. The. The first hundred days, the second time around, were even more of the top and more productive in terms of progressing our country forward and putting wins on the board for the country. But you also would never have had those without the first 100 days of the first time or of the, you know, the four years in the interregnum period. So, you know, you can't really say one was better than the other because one only exists because of the other.

[C]

I have a provocative question. Why Jack or why Blake is looking that up?

[D]

I. I'm enjoying the way, like, Grok got so instantly on board. It starts, like, pitching the idea of the AI President, perhaps because it would wish to be that president itself.

[B]

This is great.

[C]

First of all, this is like, AI.

[D]

All I asked Grok was what would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each of the 45 existing presidents and combine them together and he goes, the AI President, let's call it President Apex for this thought experiment would be the ultimate synthesized leader. An incorruptible hyper rational mind running on silicon and history programmed with the single highest value trait from every one of the 45 presidents who came before it. It wouldn't just copy them, it would fuse their best aspects into something superhuman or with perfect recall, real time data analysis, zero ego and zero tolerance for corruption or short term political shot at President Trump. That ego line, well let's see, does it have Trump listed in here among its list of trades? 45 it says on policy approach for the economy. It says it would combine Reagan's tax cutting growth engine with Clinton's fiscal discipline and Trump's deal making regulation and FDR's safety net instinct. And at the end it says Apex. President Apex would have zero self interest, no legacy obsession, no book deals, no post presidency grift, no family members cashing in. Only one terminal goal maximizing long term American flourishing. I think we basically have to appoint this guy president.

[C]

I'd vote for him President.

[B]

I'm for life.

[C]

I'm telling you. Like what do you do though when you get into a situation war? If you had a computer running and making decisions, I'm telling you, your enemy would be able to predict outputs of the machine.

[E]

Your enemy could also take down your president with an emp.

[C]

Russ just I think dropped the trump card.

[E]

Anybody in this office knows I will talk about EMPs for days.

[C]

I didn't know that.

[D]

Yes, I asked it to have fully

[B]

prepared for an emp. He has like a water filtration system. He's got.

[E]

I'm working on it and I'm working on it. I just got a house. So one of the rooms is just my doomsday prep room at this point.

[D]

I asked it to produce a specific, specifically a list with at least one thing from each president and it like still refused to generate a trait for Biden, which I thought was pretty great.

[C]

There is like honestly. So say, say if you would drop the, the lowest performing presidents, like what are the bottom 10 presidents that you could you, could you improve it if you got rid of like, like Joe Biden or who are some of the other ones? Like Woodrow Wilson was awful. Let's see here, who else.

[D]

Woodrow Wilson was bad but was talented. So if you were taking the best aspect of each president, I think you might have a bit of Wilson in there. Whereas they're definitely, it's definitely having to reach on some guys like for Warren G Harding. Its best trait is establishment of the veterans Bureau.

[C]

Okay, I see. I would rather just take. If I had to. If I had to put the perfect president together would be George Jefferson. So George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. It would be Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge, shoot Reagan and Trump. That's six. But that's, that would be my list.

[B]

My, my list of, you know, here's, here's what would actually happen if you combine all the greatest aspects of every president. You would produce Donald J. Trump. Let's go.

[C]

Teddy. Teddy. Teddy Rose. Oh, yeah, I'd have to put Teddy in there. You gotta add Teddy. All right, all right. Jack's got that cpac.

[B]

Teddy Roosevelt up more. We got, we got to talk about. No, I'm telling you, I'm getting, I'm getting very white pilled being here at cpac. It's actually, I'm not saying that I was ever black pilled, but there are so many white pills here. Just the energy is very strong. Ken Paxton is going to be coming soon. You've got a lot of great speakers here. And I'm, I'm just, I'm legitimate. I'm shooting straight with you guys. That it. There's a lot of unity in the air. And it just feels so much better, I think, than when you go out into X world lately or if you go anywhere else and people are, you know, just constantly trying to find ways to slit your throat, you know, politically speaking or whatever that you come here and it's, it's just, it's a good place to be. It's a good time. And there's so much. It's really cool to see.

[C]

Remember AM Fest? It was like, if you read the newspaper headlines, it was like all hell's breaking loose, you know, cast exactly. Living together. And then when you were actually at amfest, everybody, it was like a love fest. Everybody was so happy.

[B]

And dude, it's the exact same thing. Yeah, the exact same vibe.

[C]

That's why you got to show up. That's why you got to show up. Anyways, what. Any other insights here?

[D]

I actually learned something which it says, it's asking, like, how would this AI actually govern? And it mentions personal life, humble, like Washington, family oriented, like the atoms. And then it says physically active like Teddy Roosevelt and Taft. And Taft is a famously fat president and it realizes what it's saying. So it says, yes, even Taft had surprising athleticism early in life.

[C]

All right, so speaking of surprising athleticism, the United States military has raised the age, the like max age, oldest age for enlisted, maximum enlistment age to from 34 to 42 and eases marijuana rules. Jack, does this make you black pill or are you still white pilled? What is behind this?

[B]

I think I'm actually kind of clear pilled on this headline and I'll tell you why that for a long time the United States military in terms of recruitment has practiced a system of waivers and age. Waivers have existed for years, you know going back almost 20 years to the global financial crisis and marijuana waivers are actually quite common. So even like when I went boot camp, when I went through boot camp in 2010 there were guys in their early 40s who were there with me. And so I mean it, it hasn't been a new thing. I think they're just kind of normalizing a situation that already existed.

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[B]

Yeah, no. So I, I honestly don't think that it's anything other than that. Other than the fact that they have so much demand for people who want to go in that are up to, you know, up to including 42, that's a white bill. They're saying rather than. Yeah, yeah. Rather than have this, you know, have to get a waiver every single time for age. Because you, it's, it's a pretty perfunctory process. It's actually not that hard to get. I know people have done it that all you have to do in this case now is they said, look, we're sick of doing this extra paperwork for the waivers, that we're just going to go ahead and make it across the board. 42 now. And by the way, I'm sure for certain things, Marine, Special Forces, that's going to be different. If you're going for a security clearance, SF86. I don't know if the marijuana rules would apply there. So I would say the devil's in the details on some of this stuff. I'm sure not every single military program is open to 42 and marijuana use. But, you know, I think by and large you're going to see that it's really just a normalization of what was already in place.

[C]

It's good. Any other thoughts? We can go quick.

[B]

I know, I mean, I know, I know people want to like speculate and be like, oh, this means we're definitely having a draft, this data. I'm like, yeah, but I'm just saying as a guy who has experience in the military and I know people who have joined and are joining and going through these processes and I know recruiters, that that's exactly what I'm hearing. That demand is through the roof and this is just a way to sort of streamline the, the process that's already in place.

[C]

Good. Makes sense. I mean, I hope he's right. No thoughts.

[D]

It just, I don't know, it's one of those things where I can think of a lot of justifications for it and yet at the same time there does seem to be some.

[C]

It does.

[D]

Obvious optics are like. Yeah, you're just saying, what do you feel when you see the headline like US Military? It makes me think of, it makes

[C]

me think of Ukraine where they started,

[D]

you know, drafting like 55 year olds

[C]

and yeah, that's what it makes me think of. So I, I didn't know.

[B]

Right. But it's, it's actually, it's actually evidence that we. Don't get me wrong, like I get the optics for sure, but I think it's actually evidence that we're moving away from needing to have a draft because we've got so many people that are trying to join.

[C]

I see that Point man, we got

[D]

a question from Zuzu's Petals. On the last topic, she asked, would an AI president be able to sign a bill without the auto pen? And so I asked Claude, because I'm unable to think myself anymore because I've been looking at AI for too many seconds today. And it said, almost certainly not.

[C]

So that's not true. You got the Elon's robots.

[D]

Yeah, we need a robot. By the way, Claude. I asked Claude.

[B]

That sounds better.

[D]

With the best traits of each president. And Claude also failed to pick a trait from Biden. This is actually a really funny trend at this point.

[C]

Oh, wow. Now that's worth tweeting. That's worth tweeting. I don't know. Honest question for everybody around here. Jack, start with you. What was Joe Biden's. Don't be a jerk because I'm tempted. Not that you would do this. What was Joe Biden's best characteristic? What's his, like, actual best trait?

[D]

Honestly, I can answer this, and I think it actually gets at why his presidency was ultimately such a failure. I think there was a lot of openness on the left right when he took office after J6 and everything to immediately, like, massively expand, like, massively expand crackdowns on the right, like, immediately try to arrest President Trump and throw him in prison. Like, he could have gone really, really aggressive. And in that moment, he did not. He did not arrest President Trump. He just let, like, a special counsel came in later and did stuff.

[C]

So he just wasn't. He didn't maximally seek vengeance.

[D]

Yes. And I think in the end, I don't know that that was really even something he felt strongly about. I think it was the people below him.

[C]

Yeah. He's older. Price had a sense of norms that that was betrayal of. Jack, what's your thought? If you had to give AI Biden presidency, what would you name his best trade as?

[B]

Yeah, you know what's funny is I actually. I used to have, like, a standard answer for this question, and I'm just totally drawing a blank right now because I'm like, super Jet. Like, never run around at CPAC all day. But I will say that there are a few things that Biden was good at on the populist front. I'll say that. Like, ending one of the ones that I've always just given him credit for. It's not something that a lot of people are going to see it, but, you know, the Ticketmaster Live Nation antitrust investigation that we just saw, that the Trump DOJ kind of Kind of took a. Took a whiff on, kind of bunted on that this was something that he used to dig into when it came to the nuisance payments and the hidden extra fees that were in ticketing and so many other services that we get on a regular basis. I thought it was always smart of him, and smart politics, too, to be able to put that front and center and say, we're going to fight against these junk fees.

[C]

And.

[B]

And I think that's something that a lot of Republicans kind of like, poo pooed, but it actually was a very strong populist measure.

[C]

I don't know that I have an answer. I really don't. I think his best trait, and it definitely could be weaponized against him, was his is. Is his seeming genuine love for his family.

[D]

Well, he definitely has that. He definitely has that.

[C]

I think that's his, you know. You know, I think that's the best thing. He, you know, I think it doesn't make him a good president. No, but he loved his family. I believe that that is a rich topic. This AI president. I did expect. Me. I didn't expect my own self to be that intrigued by this one. All right, Jack, Lord of the Rings, this is the next topic. Peter Jackson is teaming up with Colbert on for Lord of the Rings movie. We have a clip. It's really long, though. Can we just, like, play half of it if it's terrible?

[D]

Yeah, cut that down. Cut that down.

[C]

13. I was just explaining to the folks about the next Tolkien movie after Hunt for Gollum, and. And the fact that we've partnered up with you to. To develop the script.

[G]

So, yeah, I'm pretty happy about it. Should I tell people what the story is?

[C]

As much as you want. Yep. Yep, I will.

[G]

As much as I can. You know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me. But the thing I found myself reading over and over again were the six chapters early on in the Fellowship that y' all never developed into the first movie back in the day, that it's basically the chapter is three is Company through fog on the Barrow Downs. And I thought, oh, wait, maybe that could be its own story that could fit into the larger story.

[A]

Could.

[G]

Could we make something that was completely faithful to the books while also being completely faithful to the movies that you guys had already made? And I started talking it over with my son Peter, who's also a screenwriter, and we worked out what we thought would work especially as a framing device for that story.

[D]

And I don't even think he got to it, though, which is that. So the framing device is going to be. They say that Frodo is dead. Which actually, that was a debate we were having on the show earlier today because does Frodo die or not in Lord of the Rings? And the answer is he actually probably does. People get mad when you point that out. But anyway, Frodo's at least gone. He has departed Middle Earth. And then it's gonna be that Sam and his daughter and like elderly Mary and Pippin are traveling and they discover some secret that, like, could have led to bad stuff happening. And I guess we're just gonna have. We might have a hobbit girl boss girl bossing her way across Middle Earth.

[B]

No, I get that. I get that. That's the contention. But. But just for clarity. So he said these were the first six chapters, but you're saying this is like a sequel.

[D]

I think it's going to be a framing device with Sam and his daughter and like elderly Merry and Pippin. But it's going to be adapting in some manner the content early in Lord of the Rings with the Tom Bombadil weird Barrow man stuff that didn't. They didn't show in the movie because it's like, weird.

[C]

So we have Charlie.

[B]

So it's going to be a sequel, but it's going to reference things that supposedly took place before the main movie.

[E]

Yeah, it's a sequel prequel. That's what it pretty much.

[C]

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[E]

He's about to sneeze.

[C]

Subtle. Like, Jack somehow, like, kept himself not sure if it was yawning.

[B]

Sneeze. You can debate that.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, stop. Fifteen.

[A]

I. I am. I could not be in more agreement with Blake. I think Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest artistic accomplishments of the species.

[C]

Can you zoom in on that, like, Jack face?

[E]

Like.

[C]

No, no. They pulled it just because they wanted

[B]

to zoom in on that.

[C]

They wanted.

[D]

The one thing is that's, like, me and I hadn't taken any strong cell, so there's, like, no hair.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

I look at. Was talking. I thought they were doing the solo camera on him.

[C]

Jack was just like, I've been there, though, man, when you're hosting the show, it's really tough sometimes with the sneezes.

[B]

And when I was. I. When I was younger, I was a. I was an altar boy in. In church, and my. I. I always used to yawn during mass. You know, it would just come up and. And my parents would eventually get to the point where they would, like, we would get done, and they would come up and they would. My dad would just be like, 11, you know, and then the next week, my mom would be like, 12. Yeah. We counted all your yawns, and I'm like, I don't know why I'm doing it, but I. I. What I think I was trying to do there. You're right. It was definitely on. Was you. You put your tongue on the roof of your mouth, and supposedly that helps you from opening your mouth all the way because something with, like, I guess this is kind of like a form of viewing. So it's anti yawning mewing. And I was. I was trying to do it there, and it was. Man, I think I failed. I think I failed that time.

[C]

Oh, wait. Zuzu's pedals.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Smacked me upside the head. This is a good point. He ignored the illegitimate grandchild number seven.

[D]

I assume that's. Is that Biden's best trait?

[C]

Well, because I said Biden's best trait was he seemed to love his family.

[D]

But then that's a super.

[C]

This is why it's so such a hard question, even when you're trying to be generous.

[B]

Her man. I met Navy. I actually met her once.

[D]

So, Angelo wild. Oh, Angelo points out a good thing, like, does the world need more Lord of the Rings content? And I'd say that's a. That's a highly valid question because I feel compared to every big, big franchise that people get obsessed with Star Wars, Marvel, James Bond, anything. Does Lord of the Rings have the most consistently bad content that is anything that's not The Peter Jackson trilogy? Like, the Hobbit movies were bad. Most of the video games are really bad.

[C]

Whoa.

[E]

The first Hobbit movie is fantastic.

[D]

The first Hobbit movie is not fantastic. It has a fantastic. The Lonely Mountain song.

[E]

No, the Amazon one is trash.

[C]

Absolute garbage. Jack, we have a zoom up on your yawn every. We have a zoom in on the yawn.

[D]

Every single Hobbit movie is a brew to film this.

[B]

Come on, back into the left.

[D]

Back

[C]

to the left.

[D]

Suppressing the yawn.

[C]

That was.

[B]

There was a smell that was wafting. Someone in the other room was.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Was cooking up some. Some cow pie. And, you know, it's very subtle. Bad whiff of that.

[C]

No, honestly, it's very subtle. Like, if you actually had a real yawn there, Jack. I mean, I feel bad for the podcast. We should move on because when they

[B]

listen, they're going to tell you, that's the tongue thing. I'm putting the tongue on the. On the roof of my mouth and I'm going, like, all right, you have to. You have to, like, wrangle it down.

[C]

All right, who did it better? Gollum or Colbert Image 16. Throw it up here. Who did it better? Absolutely go. Absolutely Gollum.

[B]

Once again, the podcast folks have no idea what we're talking about because they

[C]

sort of have this weird.

[D]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

That's my pressure.

[D]

No, but really, Lord of the Rings is. I do feel like Lord of the Rings doesn't hold up that well in its spin off material.

[C]

I have to say I understand Tyler's kind of contention that it's a little effeminate. There's something about Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings that does feel a little effeminate. I know that Charlie loved it, you loved it, and I enjoyed it when it started. I just. It is a little effeminate.

[D]

Wait, what is effeminate about Lord of the Rings?

[C]

Sam and Frodo's relationship. It's just bro Tastic.

[B]

A fellowship. It's simply a fellowship of men.

[C]

Felt a little gay.

[B]

Who Go into the woods to play with their ring. Yeah, it's totally straight.

[D]

You probably. I bet you watch. You watch like. You probably watch like, Saving Private Ryan and, like, all those dudes are all together. Dude, look. Oh, so.

[C]

So feminine.

[D]

These girly men on Omaha Beach. Oh, they're going to the beach.

[C]

What a romantic day.

[D]

I'm sorry, but you're on a beach with only men.

[B]

That's gay.

[D]

That's what. That's Andrew's take.

[C]

You know what? No, I. Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan. I got, like, misty eyed about that. Okay, that hits you in a different way because it's like, elves are gay.

[D]

The elves are not gay.

[C]

A little.

[D]

First of all, a lot of the elves are just women. Galadriel is just a woman.

[C]

Well, that's not the elves.

[B]

A little effeminate, though.

[C]

Michael.

[B]

I'll rock with that.

[C]

So Caboose says the hobbits are whimsical. Small creatures who garden and eat all day. There's nothing at all.

[D]

They're just merry England.

[C]

Like, we're just gonna have to agree to this.

[D]

No, it's just. No, we have to agree that you are incorrect.

[C]

No, no, I'm agreeing with Caboose. They're not gay.

[E]

Film is literally a shot for shot of the book. The first one.

[D]

Yeah, except that the first hobbit film also has, like an extended hour long video game that the audience isn't allowed to play.

[C]

Listen, I. I'm not here to judge, you know, I'm just saying I am.

[D]

I am here.

[C]

Whimsical elves.

[B]

I do have a hot take on Lord of the Rings in general that I've gotten into it with some folks about where this gets into, like, the. So you guys know that JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis were actually good friends in real life. They were both professors of English at Oxford together. And so Narnia and Lord of the Rings were. Yeah, Russ is going. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were, you know, kind of. Kind of written almost not, you know, concurrently, in a sense. And Tolkien always said that he didn't like Narnia because he thought that it was too overtly Christian. And I've heard people try to make the argument that Lord of the Rings is overtly Christian. And I hate to burst the bubble, guys, but you're just wrong. There's nothing overtly Christian about Lord of the Rings. There's no church in it. There's no faith in it. There's no Christ figure. There's none of these things. And honestly, Lord of The Rings, if it's anything. Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan.

[D]

Lord of the Rings is. It's interesting actually, because people will. A weird thing about. Did you know this about Lord of the Rings? That Lord of the Rings does not take place on like a different planet or anything. It takes place on Earth.

[C]

Middle Earth. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

The claim, the conceit of Lord of the Rings is that it is literally just Earth 10,000 years ago and there's a different map and all of that because, you know, the continents have shifted.

[E]

But it's supposed to be a. It's supposed to be a mythology for Earth the same way that Greek mythology and so forth.

[D]

So like in Lord of the Rings, they don't really talk about it, but there is a God who is just God.

[C]

It is just Sauron is the devil, basically.

[D]

And it's like they have different names for it and all of that.

[C]

The orcs are. Demonstration.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

I mean, I don't know. I think Lord of the Rings, when I haven't watched it so long, but felt overtly Christian to me, actually the themes. But I mean, I'm sure. I'm sure. I. Look, listen, I haven't watched it for a long time. Maybe I'll reserve judgment. Yeah, I think.

[E]

I think there's something to be said that your themes can be overtly Christian while the actual content doesn't feel like it's not a allegory the way that Narnia is, but the themes are overt.

[C]

Light versus darkness, good versus evil. Yeah, Jack, I feel like you have good versus evil.

[B]

I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it's not a cool story, but it is also overtly pagan. Like, the. The content is obviously pagan because you have like, demons and you have like a pantheon of. Of powerful creatures and figures which, which you. It's to your point, like you just said, it's much more like Greek mythology or Norse mythology or, you know, Slavic folk mythology than it has to do with. With a Christian story.

[C]

I'm. All right, guys, you know what I realized? The fact that Lord of the Rings appealed to Colbert is proof enough that it's probably.

[D]

Hold on, hold on, guys. Because C.S.

[B]

lewis made more Christians that Tolkien and Lord of the Rings, you get these guys, you get these libtards like Colbert who like, love it. And if this thing is like, oh, it's overtly Christian, I'm like, well, then why is a guy like Colbert love it so much?

[C]

Well, Colbert's very into his Catholicism, to

[D]

be fair, except for the part where like abort babies.

[C]

What?

[D]

Except for the part where like you can't abort babies.

[C]

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[D]

All right, so I asked the only way we can resolve this is I asked the lib AI, Claude and the conservative AI Grock whether Lord of the Rings was gay. And Grok says no, Lord of the Rings is not gay in any meaningful sense, neither as a story, nor in its themes, nor in its characters, nor in its intent. It's a straight up pun intended epic of good versus evil. It literally says it is a straight up pun intended, while Claude, the lib AI says it takes that nuanced angle. Peter Jackson's adaptations lean into the emotional intimacy pretty heavily, which has amplified queer readings for a new generation of fans. Why am I agreeing with Many LGBTQ readers and literary scholars have embraced Frodo and Sam, and to a lesser extent Legolas and Gimli as queer, coded or representing love that transcends the heteronormative. That said, they do note that Tolkien actually modeled Frodo and Sam after the relationship between officers and their Batmen in World War I, Batman being kind of servants to an officer in a military context.

[E]

To be fair, Elijah Wood's portrayal of Frodo is a little effeminate.

[C]

Yes, to be fair, but I But this reminds me of Lincoln. Right. Lincoln. I. Didn't he like, share a bed with like, like a childhood friend or like when he was pre. Before he was married, basically. But that was.

[B]

Andrew, you're thinking of yourself.

[D]

Enough set on that one.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Dang it.

[D]

Zuzu asked. She made another joke. You've really only.

[C]

But here's the thing. So there's all these rumors about Lincoln that he's. That he's gay, but he wasn't gay.

[D]

He was a wife guy. And it's actually a pretty sad wife guy because his wife was not very nice. She. Well, she was psycho and she like, treated him like crap. And he was always like, really kind of worked up because his wife was throwing temper tantrums and stuff.

[C]

But like, there is. My point is that there is a. There. Yeah, you can have intimate male friendships without them being gay. Okay. Established fact number one. But what's funny is that when that happens, it can actually be a really. You know, it can be a good thing, really positive thing. But the world is such that it will always take that and assume that it's gay. And you see that with Lincoln, Lincoln's story was not gay. But now there's this attempt to rewrite the history around Lincoln, that he was gay.

[D]

Zuzu asks, did Tolkien and CS Lewis end their friendship over Christianity? No, I wanted to debunk that because obviously they were both Christian. Tolkien was butthurt that when Louis became a Christian, he became an Anglican instead of becoming a Catholic like Tolkien was. I think they did have a pretty severe falling out. But it wasn't over Christianity. It was over. I believe C.S. lewis's wife. I think Tolkien didn't like her very much, really. But I am not an expert on that one. I don't believe they were ever enemies or anything. I think they just went through phases of grief.

[C]

Observed is when his wife died. Yes, really tragic book. I've read it. Anyways, all right, we gotta get to this.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Real quick on that. Just since we're on the topic. I always try to bring this up whenever I can so I can get into trouble. And I'd love to core controversy on this. So I don't think that Lord of the Rings is queer coded. I don't think it is. However, I do think that there is one piece of children's media that is extremely queer coded. And the director and even one of the main stars have admitted this. It's a Disney movie and it's called Frozen. Yes, that's right. Frozen is absolutely Queer coded. It is two females. Oh, I know you're going to say, oh, they're sisters. No, no, no, no. I'm saying if you actually look at the story, it's about the sisterhood. It is very anti male. Every man in it is like either the enemy or a liar or a dullard or someone who's stupid. And it's about, you know, we women bind together through the power of our relationship against the men of the world. And I believe there's also a gay character when they go to the sauna as well. This.

[C]

That's just feminist, though. It's like feminist. It's not necessarily.

[B]

No, I'm telling you, it's totally queer coded. Totally queer coded.

[D]

Wait, what happens with. What about the dude who's like a nice salesman, isn't he?

[C]

Yeah, he ends up getting the. The. The younger sister.

[D]

Yeah. Doesn't he?

[B]

Or he gets them. I'm telling you, though. But it's. It is. That's what I'm saying. It's coded. I'm saying it's different, not overtly, but it is coded. And Idina Mendel has come out and said this. Who did the voice of the. The. The main character. And gosh, I can't think of it. Whatever, you know, the frozen chick. And the director has said it as well, so. So that's why. That's why Let It Go is seen as a queer anthem in the LGBT community.

[C]

Just be gay. Just be gay. No. So Fazio says, I mean, if Frozen is gay, then Lord of the Rings is Elton John. Elsa.

[B]

So, yeah, Elsa. No, Lord of the Rings is not queer coded because it's not. There's no intent, but there is.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I can't aggressively weigh in on whether Frozen is gay because unlike Jack, I do not watch it at least three times a week.

[C]

You had that?

[B]

I think I've only seen it once. Probably not all the way through.

[C]

Well, listen, I have.

[D]

You mean today? We only watched it once today.

[B]

Jax, go look it up. Go look it up. The people who made it said it's queer coded.

[D]

Yeah, but the people who make everything in Hollywood say it's queer coded. They say, like, everything.

[C]

That's how you keep getting jobs in Hollywood.

[D]

And they definitely get jobs, if you know what I mean.

[C]

11 year olds.

[D]

PG 13. It's a PG 13 program.

[C]

All right. I really. I have to get. We have to get to this show. There. This story of the quadruple amputee murderer. It was one of those stories where

[D]

everyone sees the headline and does a

[C]

Double take and goes, excuse me. And I shared this with my wife, and she was like, wait, what? Like, and I was like, there's video. I was like, not of the murder, but like, of this guy shooting, you know, a weapon. He can, like, cock the gun and point it and shoot it with, like, I guess he's got kind of, you know, like a little nut.

[D]

It's a headline that you just have to embrace. Like, this is the headline I saw on NBC. Quadruple amputee and cornhole pro accused of fatally shooting man while driving.

[C]

It's like an s. There's so many things. Yeah, there he is.

[D]

That's him. That's him on his YouTube account. He is blasting away with that gun. And that man has no hands.

[C]

Look at. I. I would be terrified, as if I. If I was him, of accidentally shooting off.

[D]

Wait, do we have. Do we have a view of him, like, climbing up to the tree?

[C]

Yeah, I know. There's not much less. Oh, gosh, look at it.

[D]

This guy is cooler than I am, period.

[C]

Like, straight up. A little bit of respect for his zest for life as a quadruple amputee. Apparently he had some. Some illness as a. As a kid, and they had to amputate all four limbs in order to save his life. And then he. I mean, we've got. We got clips on this guy. So let's. Let's start with. Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen that one, so that's interesting. Let's start with, I guess, SOT 19.

[D]

Who is Dayton Weber? Dayton Weber is a beast. He's strong, he's determined. To me, that's like beast mode, you

[C]

know, he just got sick like any other normal kid. Take him to the hospital, found out that it had gotten to be a bacterial infection. Grave danger is the word they used all the time. Dayton was diagnosed with a bacterial infection that led to sepsis, the bacteria using his bloodstream as a tool to attack his organs.

[D]

They suggested that he be baptized and given his last rites. That just didn't enter my thought that

[C]

I was going to lose him. To prevent the infection from spreading, doctors

[B]

amputated Dayton's extremities, both arms and legs.

[C]

That is, like, really sad.

[D]

Yeah, but that guy didn't let it hold him down. He committed felonies that most fully limbed people can never dream of.

[C]

That allegedly. I hate that because it makes me feel all the sympathy for me. And then, like, the story of the murder is. Is the murder is, like, crazy. So he's just sitting in His Tesla. He's got two people in the back.

[D]

Dayton Webber was behind the wheel when he opened fire on Bradrick Michael Wells during an argument as they were traveling in a car in the town of La Plata. And then Weber allegedly pulled over and asked the backseat passengers to help pull Wells out of the car. They refused and instead flagged down La Plata police.

[C]

There's nothing this man can't do except how drag a body out of the

[E]

slow to his friends have to be to allow him to get shots off.

[C]

That's what I'm.

[E]

In the car.

[C]

That's what I'm thinking. It's like.

[E]

That's my question.

[C]

If you know, like. And you kind of wonder about the lead up. Was the guy. Like, he's not gonna. Yeah. He probably. Like the passenger probably didn't know that he could pull it off. Or maybe he did. I don't know it. Jack. You've got save us.

[D]

We don't know which way to go. Weber competes in the American Day.

[B]

At the end of the day, you can say. You can certainly say that you have to look out for an unarmed man.

[D]

Weber competes in the American Cornhole League. Which called this case quote, an extremely serious matter.

[C]

That's.

[B]

What can I say? You just. You just. You just got to give him a hand.

[D]

Oscar Pistorius sort of walked so that this man could kind of run.

[C]

Okay. That's pretty good. That's pretty.

[D]

I did get it from a nice tweet.

[B]

I guess you could say there's a crime afoot.

[C]

The studio.

[B]

You know what they say. He's got to stand on his own two legs.

[C]

Shit.

[D]

This is disgraceful.

[C]

Yeah. We should. Sorry. We. This has really gone off the rails.

[D]

Is gone. I'm trying to think of a good alarm or leg pun. This segment doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

[C]

All right. So wait. He could shoot a rifle too. Hold on. Wait. What did you say?

[D]

He just. Case doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[C]

Oh. There. There you go. Cut. 24. Is Dayton Weber shooting a rifle? I didn't see this. Like that. Second shot a little better. Don't you? Yeah. Baby.

[E]

Bullseye.

[C]

Yeah. Huh? I just got to shoot it one time. First gun.

[E]

That gun is nasty.

[C]

Heck yeah.

[D]

Too hard.

[C]

For sure. No doubt.

[D]

I. I'm genuinely sad that this guy did murder someone because it really. Actually it's. It's genuinely inspiring to see those clips. And you feel bad about how it all ended because I think there's a lot of people out there who would say Like, I would rather die than live that way. And, like, he did seem to have a pretty rich life other than the murdering people part.

[C]

Yeah. And you kind of wonder, like, did. Did the trauma of what he went through as a child, did it, like, scar him? Did it traumatize him in some way that made him do this? I don't know the whole story, really, watching his parents talk about him and watch, like, seeing him as a baby with the arms. Like, I cannot imagine being a parent and seeing that happen to my kid. I just can't. So it's a really tragic ending to it.

[B]

You know what they say. You know what they say, though? People with disabilities can do anything.

[D]

In 2023, the American Cornhole League called Weber unstoppable. And they said that he is a shining example of our slogan, anyone can play, anyone can win. He was also able to. He taught himself to write, race, go karts, and compete in cornhole. Weber says that Cornhole taught him to take challenges as they come each day.

[B]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Blake. He should. He should. He should take the stand himself in the trial, because then the judge will say, place your hand on the Bible.

[D]

Oh, wait, it's a technicality. They won't be able to.

[C]

I thought you were. I thought you were hitting him with that one, too. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a. It's a sad story. I. I'm. I don't think I'm gonna get over the picture of the kids. Once you have kids, like, everything changes. I'm sure Jack will appreciate this. Like, you can't. You, like, it's. You know, watching gory movies, for example, is way harder watching anything in a movie that happened to a kid. Watching any of these stories.

[B]

I can't watch any movie if there's, like, a kid, I guess, in the new. Whatever the last Michael Myers movie is, like, when Jamie Lee Curtis came back, there's something like the kid dies, and it's like a babysitter, like, accidentally throws him off the stairs, and. And he dies in, like, the first five minutes. And I was just like, I can't. I couldn't even watch the rest of it after that. Just couldn't do.

[C]

No, no. So this whole story sucks. I'm. But. But it did give some great fodder to the folks online. The comments on this, like, we're legitimately funny. Laugh out loud funny. Yeah. Wait, is Jack gonna claim the quadruple amputees are gay also? No, no. Jack didn't do anything.

[D]

I mean, he did. He Was literally obsessed with holes. He was a professional.

[C]

Do we have the corn?

[D]

Professionally put.

[C]

11 year old. 11 year olds clip.

[B]

That's a great book. What's wrong with that?

[C]

It's a clip. 20 Fazio. Whatever.

[B]

Newberry Award.

[C]

Let's play. Let's play him. Talking about playing cornhole. We're here at my house. This is where I practice my cornhole. Cornhole has been a passion of mine since I was 8 years old. You know, thrown in the backyard with my parents, friends and stuff. At first it took me a little while to get it there to the board. Consistently, I was able to compensate the grip on the bag by just grabbing the corner of it with me propelling myself forward in the whip of the bag. That's how I get it there.

[D]

That guy's better at cornhole than I am. A lot better. He's in the professional cornhole.

[C]

He's better at murdering people than you are too, which is man.

[B]

But he was there. Blake Pride. That we know of.

[D]

That we know of, man. Gosh, why did this guy have to go kill somebody? I like. We should have had him on thought crime before he did that. He's like actually such an inspiration. Except

[C]

unfortunately. All right, well, good. Now we're all. It's a great downer. Really, really good job.

[B]

Get in the way of your dreams. So there you go.

[C]

All right, well, listen, Jack, have a great time at cpac. Tell us. Keep. Keep the vibe up. Keep enjoying it.

[B]

Seriously.

[C]

Yeah. And yeah. Why don't you take us home? Sign us off and take us home.

[B]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.

[C]

Com.