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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 63 — Matt Gaetz’s Future? Jussie Smollett’s Jailbreak? War Fever with Russia?
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Charlie Kirk
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Tyler Boyer
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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Jack Posobiec
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake Neff
Tyler is literally just Blake and Jack right now. Tyler is getting your seat at this moment.
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Tyler Boyer
Just flew in.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake Neff
Oh, man, it's, it's wild. And we do have Tyler here. He just, he just flew in, man. So I guess summary in case anyone was under a rock today, you know, we warned people last week not every Trump pick was going to get through because he was doing what we wanted. He was pursuing an aggressive strategy. He was saying like, you know, he was going for it all with all of his picks. He was not making safe ones. He didn't, he wasn't worried about batting a thousand. And so he nominated Matt Gates last week for Attorney General. I think a lot of us were excited about that. We thought this is a guy who will have the right energy for what we need at doj. But it was not to be. He did pull back. He withdrew his nomination for Attorney General. He, it makes him, I believe, tied for the third shortest cabinet nomination in history. There was one person who was nominated for Secretary of war more than 100 years ago who was nominated for one day. I don't know the details on that, so I have to go look that up. And then also Bernie Carrick was nominated the same number of days and then I believe he had to withdraw due to those Bush's pick for Homeland Security and he had to withdraw. And instead we got, I believe, Tom Ridge, which forced us to endure 20 years of Tom Ridge as like a presidential nominee contender. But now we have to see.
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Jack Posobiec
He was my, he was my governor. The whole thing, it was a whole thing.
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Blake Neff
Gruesome, ghastly. So now we have to ask ourselves who Is the next, next AG of the United States?
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Charlie Kirk
That is the question. Jack, why don't you break down your opinion on all of this?
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Jack Posobiec
Look, so my opinion on all of this, I'll put it this way. When, when Matt Gaetz's name came out, I said, wow. Because that even go before that, right? So even before that we were all saying, so Donald Trump has won, we've got the majority, we've got the Senate, we've got the House. And people are all looking around saying, okay, what do we do now? We've got this mandate. And people are putting together their short lists. Obviously, in terms of the Cabinet, the probably the number one most important pick for the cabinet is the Attorney General. There was no question. And people were putting together their short lists. People were putting together the who's who. People were flying down to Mar A Lago. Charlie, you and I were there and we saw people doing the interviews and that Gates, his name was no. Was not on any of those lists. This was a total out of out of right field surprise pick. It was something that took D.C. by absolute storm. It was something that took, I think Trump world by absolute storm. And you saw everybody line up behind it because we said, you know what, this is the kind of guy who's a pit bull. This is the kind of guy who absolutely can do the job, knows what needs to be done and has the guts to do so. But I do think that there was that, that question in the back of all of our minds, that voice in the back of our mind saying, wait a minute guys, we have to live in reality. And we know, look, ok, we've got a bunch of really, really good senators elected. We flipped a lot of great seats. But at the same time, 50 votes is a tall order in the United States Senate. And a lot of us were thinking, is it possible to get him over that finish line? And we knew that we could lose three. But as it turns out, it turned out, and I figured those three would be Alaska, Maine and Utah. The, you know, the Mitt Romney clone who just got elected in Utah. But as it turns out, it was four. The magic number we needed was three, but we ended up with four because Mitch McConnell was a hard no. Which, which came out in Jonathan Swan and a bunch of people. And Charlie, you had tweeted about this as well. So the idea being that, you know, for people who've been in D.C. for a long time, for people who have been in the business or people who by the way, have been in the MAGA movement for a Long time. We know that things don't just magically appear for us. You got to work for it. You got to fight. And MAGA does not take days off. This movement does not take days off. And so essentially, it's like, okay, that's where we are. But we're in a much better position than we were beforehand, because now we've already gone through the process. Now we've already seen, you know, where the. Where the. Where the sleeping snakes are in the. In the field, and we can determine which way to go forward. And by the way, I know for a fact, and Charlie, I know you know as well that these are. These are all discussions and thoughts that President Trump himself and his team have had all along while looking at this.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so the question is, who's next? And there's a lot of names being floated there. I do want to say, though, that the deputy Attorney general that has been nominated, Todd Blanche, is terrific. This guy, when he represented Donald Trump personally, remember, in the civil trial, Todd Blanch left his very, very high white shoe law firm, you could say. Is that. Is that the right way to word it? White shoe law firm? Blake, there's some sort of saying there.
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Blake Neff
For, like, top law firms. That's kind of the slang term for it.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. And he represented Donald Trump in that criminal trial and was amazing, and he's a total fighter. He lost a lot. In fact, let me read this to you. Blanche left the law firm that he was at just to be able to represent President Donald Trump. He was a partner at Kalawander, Wickersham and taft, which has 400 attorneys and five offices and does $600 million a year in revenue. He left that because if you're to represent Donald Trump, you're not allowed to be at any of those law firms. He doesn't care. He said, I wanted to represent Donald Trump. And so following the May 30 conviction on 34 felony accounts, Blanche stated that to Trump's defense team obviously plans to appeal the verdict. So he has demonstrated that he is loyal to the president. And what he wants to do with the Attorney General's office, we shall see. But I think that's a very important name to consider. And you got to give, look, Matt Gaetz made this decision himself. I know Matt very well, and I've kind of been seeing his name throughout this process. And Matt was like, look, there is an immovable block of five or six senators. I'm not going to have the president spend all of this political capital if we can't move these senators. And I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. Tyler, your reaction?
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah, I mean, I was a little bit. I was hoping that what we had discussed before was going to happen, where this would go, it would force a vote. And for sure, I think this was going to be one of the first confirmation processes. Usually I think AG would probably be up there. So I'm wondering if a little bit of strategy changed a little bit within Trump world and thinking that this may have impact on other confirmations. And so maybe you never know what kind of horse trading is going on in the background with some of these things. It's likely that there was some significant horse trading going on which is good for other appointments, cabinet appointments here. And I'm sure that that's part of the process was like, hey, look, if you pull out now, figure it out, we'll sail some of these others through, which is good. But at the same time we just put up a turning point action, Charlie, and you know this. And we're going to be going very hard on this. TPaction.com NoExcuse which gives all of the voting records for every single one of the Republicans who voted to confirm all of Biden's appointees. And so it's just good for the general public to know, the more educated that the public is on these issues, on specifically which appointments that were approved by Republicans in your own home state, that gives you the wherewithal to call them, to talk to them, to create a hubbub, to get on X and other places and talk a lot more about this, because it is without reason to approve some of these, like Mayorkas, for example, but not be, you know, in, you know, in the saddle for Donald Trump's appointments.
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Charlie Kirk
Tyler, can you put, can you pull some of those up, by the way? So what Tyler's talking about is going to be one of the most ambitious grassroots efforts that we've ever done at Turning Point Action. And it's not an election focused one. It's about confirmation, which by the way, a 501 exists to help do lobbying of officials. And we are going to be directly lobbying people from senators from Idaho, senators from South Dakota, senators from Arkansas, senators from Mississippi, senators from Kansas. We are going to be involving the grassroots in holding these senators accountable. So Tyler, list off some of these votes. They're quite remarkable.
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah, grassroots lobby and Charlie is completely within the wheelhouse of every 5014 and every 501C4 that we have on our side should be doing this work and reminding people of this. So, yeah, again, it's tpaction.com NoExcuse. You can also find it. We're going to be putting this on our Cabinet website, which is tpaction.com cabinet which you can track all the Cabinet appointments. And then also we have this new campaign that's coming out that we'll talk a lot more about about getting all of Trump's mandate appointments through. But again, you go to tpaction.com noexcuse and if we look, just for example, let's just take a look at some of these bad ones. Merrick Garland had quite a few people that voted for Murkowski. Obviously, you know, the typical Murkowski Colin. So we won't mention them because we'll just assume they voted for every bad person. But Joni Ernst in Iowa, Chuck Grassley in Iowa, Jerry In Kansas, Mitch McConnell, obviously, who couldn't, you know, get through his press conference today. Senator Bill Cassidy in Louisiana, Tom Tillis in North Carolina, James Langford in Oklahoma. Oklahoma is, you know, arguably the deepest red state that we have in the country. And James Lankford was all about Merrick Garland. So, you know, Mike Rounds in South Dakota, John Thune in South Dakota, John Cornyn in Texas, Mitt Romney, obviously, Shelley Moore Capito. And in West Virginia, Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. I don't think we have a problem with Ron Johnson on any of the appointments. But yeah, he voted for that. And then you look over at Mallorcus, you had Dan Sullivan from Alaska voted for mayorkas. You had Shelley Moore Capito, also again voted for mayorkas. I mean, there's just a lot, if you go through all this, a lot of people who are not very friendly to us in any kind of way and have done a pitiful job in their positions that have all voted. So you can go to tpaction.com noexcuse to follow along and use that information. We're going to be actually organizing email and call systems that come out of that so we can make it easy to say, hey, all of you voted for this person. Why won't you vote for President Trump's appointment?
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Charlie Kirk
So, I mean, this is perplexing to me. And Jack, I want you to build this out. Why is it that so many of these red state senators are willing to vote for Joe Biden's nominees, but they drag their feet for Donald Trump's nominees?
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Jack Posobiec
Well, it really is amazing, Charlie. And you've got to go into the primary process for all this because, look, here's what here's what the dirty little secret is, is a lot when we say Rhinos, when we talk about a rhino, you have to understand the psychology of a rhino and what, what the makeup of a rhino is. So Rhino is an embarrassed Democrat. And a lot of the Republican senators who currently sit in the Republican caucus. Let's, let's not name names right now, but let's, let's, let's just say that I know them very, very well, a lot of them. And you see this, by the way, in pretty much every red state, they're embarrassed Democrats. What do I mean by that? That they personally are Democrats. They have the belief structure, the ideals, the ideology of a Democrat. And they also have the financial backing of whatever corporate interests are in their state. And so they will know that they have to be registered as a Republican if they want to run and win. Kind of like you have to be registered as a Democrat if you want to run and win in statewide California or New York. And so what will happen, by the way, the da, Nate Hockman, who just got elected in LA County, a great example of this, where he was a Republican who had to leave the party and run as an independent so that he could get elected in that state because they just won't do it. Well, the flip side also exists, boys and girls, and it exists in our, within our red states, because you have all of these, I don't know who's that guy, Dave Phelan from Texas that wrote the, you know, who ran the false impeachment on, on Paxton and some of these other guys where they just sit there and they are essentially Democrats, but because they live in a state where you have to be a Republican to get elected, then you go and run as a Republican. And every once, you know, John Tester was doing this for years, by the way, and he finally got called on it because you'll do a video even though you know he raised Democrat. You'll, every four years you'll make a video of yourself shooting a gun and wearing a cowboy hat or driving a tractor or something like that. And then you just walk back to Washington D.C. and do whatever big business, whatever your corporate interests want you to do. And then they'll come around, come primary time, and they'll say, you gotta reelect me. Well, I'm the Republican. I'm fighting for you, and I'm pro Trump. But when it comes down to issues like this, when it comes down to issues that actually matter, that could actually shake up the system in Washington D.C. that is when they show their true color. So I'll put it this way. Donald Trump just got a lot of clarity. He just, he paid a lot a high price for it, but he got a lot of clarity as to what's coming out of the United States Senate Republican caucus.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, so now let's go around the horn, guys. Which do you think, Blake, is going to be the toughest confirmation that is looming, obviously. You know, we can condense the list down. This will be an interesting thought crime panel discussion. Do you think the most difficult will be Bobby Tulsi or Hegseth? Which of the three, Blake, do you think will be the most difficult? I have a strong opinion on this. I will go last. Blake go first.
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Blake Neff
What feels weird to me is I guess intuitively to me, it feels like Heg Seth should be the toughest one. Like that's how it feels it should be to me, given I feel like we've sort of. It is weird to pick a TV host to run DOJ or not doj, dod and like, rationally, it's one where you would probably want the highest standards. Like, the stakes are really high. It's an enormously complex organization. It's almost like being the CEO of a company with 3 million employees. It's very huge. Whereas DNI or director of National Intelligence, you can, you know, you're just sort of sifting information. You're like preparing digest for the President. That said, it just does seem like the narratives have decided to solidify on. On RFK as the toughest one. The reason I think I am going to go with him actually being the toughest one. The reason I'm going to say that is RFK is the one where actual money is at stake, where you have very large industries with many billions of dollars that are 100% not going to want RFK in that job. And they'll go all out. They will research, they will bring up every single piece of hit piece material they can. They might like break the law. They'll break into a psychiatrist's office to steal his medical records or something. I've heard of that happening before. I can see everything being on the table because of the amount of money being involved. And you don't quite have the same kind of stakes there for DOD or for dni. And so I would guess that RFK is going to be the toughest one, even though it doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
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Charlie Kirk
Jack, which one do you think will be the most difficult? And then I will. I will close.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay. Yeah. So what I mean, is Tyler that. No. Blake, I just want to say that I agree what you're saying about, about Pete, that he seems to be the one that currently seems to be more of, has an easier path or at least seems to have an easier path than, than the others at the moment. Rfk, of course that's going to be a knockdown drag out fight. You've got billions of dollars on the line when it comes to pharma, when it comes to GMOs, etc. Etc. I honestly think it's going to be Tulsi because the Tulsi fight has already begun. Nikki Haley, and everybody was laughing about Nikki Haley said, oh, haha, she's putting out this little statement on her podcast nobody listens to and she's going after, you know, Tulsi. She's got sour grapes and she's jealous and all this because she got passed over. Look, look, listen to what Nikki Haley was saying in there. These, these statements regarding Saudi Arabia, regarding Iran, regarding different peace deals, things that Tulsi has weighed in on in the past, stuff that she may have said when she was a card carrying Democrat, by the way, before she had her conversion, before she came over as a Republican. They are going to use, just like, just like in Miranda rights, anything you say can and will be used against you. And so they're going to bring all that up. And then keep in mind folks, you've got the war party out there that is looking at billions of dollars coming down to the very end when it comes to the Ukraine war, when it comes to, when it comes to Israel, Gaza, when it comes to so many other things around the world. And so they want one of their people in there. And certainly, by the way, the intel community does not want someone up there who's actually going to declassify things and tell the truth about various operations that have been going on. Because the DNI actually does have budget oversight for the other agencies, specifically for the national, the, the. Oh my gosh. National Intelligence Program. The, the npf. So the, so the npf, which is the National Intelligence Program, no acronyms.
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Charlie Kirk
I'm acronymed out. I'm acronymed out. Jack. I can't. We literally talked about it.
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Jack Posobiec
Charlie and I were chatting about this. Charlie and I were literally chatting about this all day and I go and drop one on him.
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Charlie Kirk
It is just. It is, it is what are not qualified to be in charge of things. They do this to try and intimidate you as if they are.
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Jack Posobiec
It is the intel budget that's What I'm talking about, it's the intel budget. So it's, it's sort of like it decides what programs get funded, where at, what agencies. That's called the nipa. And the DNI does have to sign off on that. So that's a huge piece of it. And look, if she sits there and starts asking questions about, hey, what's going on with this, what's going on with that? That's going to lead to a lot of answers that people do not want out there.
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Charlie Kirk
Tyler, which of the three do you think are the most is going to be the hardest?
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Tyler Boyer
You know what? I actually think I have a different take. I think RFK is it. I think RFK is going to be the toughest. And here's the reason why RFK was banished from the Democrat circles because of the amount of. There's one thing that you can do that will tick off the Democrats more than anything else based off of their infrastructure that they have in the new Soros arrangement with everything else with Arabella, and that is to fundraise away from other Democrats. And so I actually think that there is the largest axe to grind and there's the most hatred and vitriol out of anybody, including Matt Gates is actually for rfk. So getting him across the finish line would be massive, would be huge because the Democrats are being told from the people who hold their purse strings that RFK is public enemy number one and this should have never happened.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, any thought there, Jack?
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Jack Posobiec
Well, one thing I like to throw out is, you know, do we think, as sort of a question for the bunch, do we think that someone like Tulsi or rfk, who. Tulsi was Democrat until five minutes ago. RFK is currently a card carrying Democrat. Do we think there's any possibility of Democrat votes coming over for them? You know, you look at something like a Bernie Sanders who Tulsi was instrumental towards in 2016. You look at someone like a John Ossoff who's in a state that Trump won decisively and he's up for reelection in 26, or even someone like John Fetterman who's trying to play this game of like, oh, I'm a moderate, I'm based Fetterman or whatever. I'm not saying that it's that I think it's going to happen, but I think, I also think why not target 3 or 4 and see what happens.
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah, I think it's highly unlikely.
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Charlie Kirk
My belief, my belief is this. I think Tulsi is by far the hardest and hear me out that Bobby Kennedy is going to be tough. However, he is so well liked by the base. Tulsi is too. But Bobby will get like fever pitch support from the base. I think Tyler agrees that there's Bobby energy that doesn't exist. Of all the other three, secondly with hhs, it's going to be a fight. There is a ton of money there. But of the three, I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. Of the three, the keeper of secrets, Tulsi Gabbard is going to be the biggest fight. You think about Pete Hegseth. Okay, so with Pete Hegseth, he'll make the military less woke. He'll make it more lethal. In some ways neocons will be okay with that. Right. And he will only be able to do as much as what the President does. Right. And there's not like mass amounts of like institutional long decades disruption to their plans that Pete Hegseth can do that the President is not already determining. Right. Because the President every single day is dictating the cadence of the foreign policy. Okay. Now Pete will be able to. You know, by the way, a lot of senators are coming out in support of Pete, a lot. Mark Wayne Mullen, like he's, he's gaining a lot of momentum on the Hill. More so than the other nominees. Now by the way, I love Tulsi. I was just with her today. Like I'm 100% behind Tulsi. However, let me build out the case. Bobby is interesting. I think Bobby is going to do very well in his confirmation hearing. He'll have depth of knowledge. And what is their excuse for Bobby going to be? That he's a vaccine skeptic? Okay. I think he'll actually be able to explain that pretty well. But with Tulsi, think about it, what Tulsi could do at the head of dni. We're talking about fulfilling the promise of the JFK files. We're talking about finding out potential foreign involvement in 911 beyond what we know like Saudi intelligence, et cetera, which Jack, I know you've been very interested in throughout the years. We're talking about getting to the baseline of the origins of COVID We're talking about the origins of Russiagate, the keeper of secrets. If I had to say where they're gonna fight the highest is the intel community. Does anybody disagree with that assessment? I'm not saying anyone is easy, but I think the easiest will actually be Pete and the hardest will be Tulsi. Feel free to disagree, guys.
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Tyler Boyer
Oh, and it would be fitting, too, if Tulsi got through that the former congresswoman who looks most like an X Men would release all the information about aliens.
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Blake Neff
Wait, which X Men Storm?
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Tyler Boyer
Well, no, no, she has the.
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Jack Posobiec
She has the white. Oh, no, no, you're right. It's a rogue.
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Tyler Boyer
That's rogue.
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Blake Neff
Yeah, she doesn't look like.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, rogue. And the white streak.
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Tyler Boyer
Oh, she has the white streak of.
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Blake Neff
The white streak, kind of. Rogue's like a Southern girl, you guys.
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Charlie Kirk
Wait.
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Tyler Boyer
She's a crossover. She's all of them folded into one. Okay, wait, wait, wait.
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Jack Posobiec
Here's. Here's a piece of it that I'd love to throw out, by the way, though, which. And I'd love to get into that later. But you know, Charlie, not only. Not only would she declassify that, she would declassify the wiretapping that's going on currently in our. You in the US Government or by the way, the wiretapping that goes on.
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Charlie Kirk
Correct.
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Jack Posobiec
When one of our friends, when we say, oh, we want to look into Jack Posovic and Tyler Boyer and Blake Neff and maybe even Charlie Kirk, and then you say, we can't touch that. So I got to call GCHQ or I got to call DGSE or call up. Are these are the five eyes partners in the English speaking world who can come around and say, well, you can look into them and so you tell me what they're up to and then I'll make some like, fake FISA case against them. Look, do we. Did we learn nothing in 2016 and 2017? No, I don't think so. So remember what they did to Flynn. Remember they did the Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. If you think that kind of stuff, inserting people, people being inserted from the deep state into. Into the administration or having the FBI run these operations on people inside the White House itself. If you think that they just stopped and they went away, like, is it your first day here? I'm confused.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so, so, Blake, what do you think of that assessment? Again, I think Bobby is going to be a fight, but I think of. I think Bobby and Trump are creating a very close relationship. What I'm seeing. And I think Trump is willing to go to the mat for Bobby for multiple reasons. And again, I am totally on board for Tulsi. Again, I'm trying to help her any way I can, but I think Trump looked to Bobby at an inflection point where that endorsement really, really made a difference. Remember, that was the day after the Democrat convention. It was at the Turning Point Action event in Arizona. There was a lot of momentum that came after it. So, Blake, what do you think of that assessment?
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Blake Neff
Yeah, I think that makes sense. And I think bigger picture, Trump does care kind of in this very direct businessman way about delivering on overtime promises that he made. And, you know, he very much considered that a priority with his first admin, like, you know, really saying, promises made, promises kept. Here's how I delivered on all the things that I said I would do when I was running. And I think he probably views this RFK thing the same way. You know, he had a businessman's deal. If you endorse me, I will let you take charge on this specific agenda. And I've talked to people who are just like, oh, well, RFK has served. He's not useful anymore. Cut him loose. Like, what? What sort of like weird HBO poisoned brain you have where he's just like, use them and threw them away. That's not how Trump operates. Trump does consider it. It's not that he, like, is incapable of saying, like, oh, this person, it's not working out. We have to pull it. But this was a direct promise he made. He got votes. He maybe won the election because he made this promise. And if he breaks it, it's like, what other deals can he propose for the rest of the next four years? He's a guy who breaks his deals. So I think you're very strong. You're very correct. He will go to the mat for rfk. I just, I personally wonder, will that be enough? Will you just run into that brick wall where you're going to have, you know, 15 Republican senators who say, sorry, Pfizer says it's a no go. We're not going to let it go. And then where do you go from there? Tulsi, I understand your argument, but I think about the fact, like, Meghan McCain has already endorsed Tulsi. I think that is easy to make fun of. Yet I think that actually could go a little bit of a ways where you'll have a few of those voices who will say, wait, guys, this Russian asset thing people say is dumb. She is literally a serving member of the United States Armed Forces right now. Like, if you think she's a Russian spy, why isn't she being investigated? Why isn't she undergoing a court martial? Oh, everyone knows this is bs this is just a thing they made up. And I think there's room for that narrative to expand and spread. Like, people are going to go, okay, this is a woman who was A member of Congress and she ran for president as a Democrat. She didn't win. But this wasn't considered a manifestly insane, treasonous thing. And combined with the fact that, as I said, dni, there's not as much money invested in it and like, if they, if they scuttle her, you know, Trump could easily just install someone else who might have the same agenda. I think she has better odds than Charlie rates it as. But I can understand the argument.
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah. And I'll just kind of give my take on Tulsi. I actually think that they're mishandling the Tulsi situation, you know, from a, from a typical Saulinski playbook type of an angle. I think that you brought up Charlie. I could be wrong. We'll see. But I think that the opening is there to try to attack RFK from a Linsky type perspective. But there's less of that with Tulsi. And I think that entire.
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Charlie Kirk
No, you're right. I mean, make the enemy live up to it's a book of its own rules type thing. The white talks a good game on healthy eating and on against corporate farming. Now I will say though, Tyler, Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden, they tend to be against the intel agencies, but there's not a lot of those Democrat senators. Not a lot.
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah, there's not. I mean, we'll see. I mean, and I could be totally wrong here. I could, you know, here's again, this is where I just always look to like, where are the purse strings and who poses the greatest threat to the purse strings within the Democrats? This is the reason why Bernie endorsed Hillary ultimately. And this is why Bernie endorsed Joe Biden. And this is why Bernie endorsed Kama. I mean, it was a lazy firm with Kama, but is that ultimately his access to the left's data and money pool and. Yeah, specifically Act Blue and all of that, even though he may not, you know, subscribe to every element of it, is dependent upon his willingness to play ball on these things. And again, that's why I think all these are going to be difficult with Democrats. The real question is Republicans and see if we can overcome and who can't get bought off by, you know, the, the center left joint in D.C. so.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, there's, there's a ton too. And by the way, you know, just to say, Chelsea is, is personally my favorite pick out of any of the cabinet thus far. And just as I say, as a guy who was in the intel community and understands how much reform is actually needed there, and I don't Know anybody else on the scene that's actually going to be able to do anything like she would, I mean, go in there and actually start shaking things up in the 18 agencies. That being said. Yeah. No, Tyler, what you were saying as well about the way it's being managed, I mean, Tulsi is someone who, what is the main thing that beyond her service and beyond her record, what is the main thing that people know about her is she is fantastic on camera, she is fantastic in interviews, she is fantastic. I mean, why not have Tulsi Gabbard go out there and respond to this latest, the long term, the long range missile thing in Ukraine. Why not have Tulsi Gabbard respond? You know, Putin just gave this huge speech throwing down in Moscow talking about, hey, if you want a war, you got one. If you, you know, we've got these, these long range missiles or I guess it's medium range ballistic missile with hypersonic glide, etc. Have Tulsi be the person responding on all of these various things empower her to actually be. And she could sit with, know, sit with Mike Waltz and figure out what they, what they want the response to be and then could actually be in a sense sort of setting it up. So that's almost like she's doing the job already. And I think she would get a lot of support, maybe not so much just on the inside game, but you've got to build up the outside game. And you're right, Charlie, she doesn't have that kind of Bobby Kennedy energy. But if you put her out there and actually have her start giving statements, she's going to be someone that's going to break, break out of the sort of MAGA silo and our silo is bigger than it's ever been. But she's going to reach out to independent, she's going to reach out to women. There's so many people are going to want to hear what Tulsi has to say. I think it would be a media strategy for her. Could be helpful if now, you know, if done properly. If done properly.
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Blake Neff
So I think we've, we've glossed over something that's important. What, what's next for Matt Gaetz?
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Jack Posobiec
So here's my question. Matt Gaetz resigned from the current Congress, right? So he resigned from the, the Congress of 2023-2025. That Congress hasn't ended yet and the next Congress is the one that he was elected to. So maybe this is a Blake question. Blake, does that resignation count for the seat that or the Session that he was just elected for, or. No, I don't even know how that works.
- [36:10]
Blake Neff
Wow. I. I've never thought about that.
- [36:14]
Jack Posobiec
I guess you get what I'm saying, right?
- [36:16]
Blake Neff
I get what you're saying. I. I wonder if it's like, you'd probably have to get into the technicalities. Like, he sent a letter to the governor saying he was resigning effective immediately. Maybe they. That, like, technically exclude. Like that essentially is him announcing he's forfeiting. Ah, we got him back. Charlie is back.
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Charlie Kirk
I've been answering this question. It's very simple. Yes. If Matt Gates wishes he could, he can easily resume the next Congress. He resumed. He resigned from this Congress just then. Tell DeSantis to cancel the special election. Very simple. It's still within the window. Candidates have not yet been filed. Until candidates are filed for that special election, the governor has the ability to cancel that special election. He has, like, a week and a half to decide.
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Blake Neff
No, that was simple.
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Tyler Boyer
Yeah. I mean, in his resignation letter, he said he did not intend to take his oath of office. So I guess.
- [37:08]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah. I mean, I do not think he's going to. I don't think he's going back to Congress. I don't think he's.
- [37:12]
Blake Neff
So he doesn't.
- [37:13]
Jack Posobiec
I mean, it certainly doesn't look like it, but.
- [37:15]
Tyler Boyer
But we could force him.
- [37:16]
Blake Neff
But we could grab. Put him in the van, drive him. He'll wake up in Congress. Welcome back.
- [37:22]
Tyler Boyer
Kick him out on the steps.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah.
- [37:24]
Tyler Boyer
You have to go back.
- [37:25]
Blake Neff
Yeah. I mean, we might need the vote. So the way these things are looking, it's very close. But assuming he doesn't go back to the House, some people have brought up. He could be appointed to the Senate vacancy, but you would need DeSantis to.
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Jack Posobiec
Go along with that.
- [37:42]
Blake Neff
And it just. There might be a lot of people who want that Senate seat, and he also just might not want it.
- [37:46]
Charlie Kirk
DeSantis will not give that to him.
- [37:48]
Tyler Boyer
And that's not happening.
- [37:49]
Blake Neff
The story was always that he wanted to run for governor. And when DeSantis was headed out, and there's no reason he still can't do that. That's only two years out. So he could pivot to campaign, by the way.
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Jack Posobiec
But if DeSantis. But if DeSantis gave and they've had a good relationship, they've always maintained a good relationship, even with the primary being notwithstanding that if DeSantis appointed Gates to the Senate seat, then that would clear the governor's seat for the 26 race. So DeSantis could kind of could Then maybe maneuver to get one of his people there. Over there.
- [38:23]
Blake Neff
Very true.
- [38:24]
Jack Posobiec
Because he's term limited.
- [38:25]
Blake Neff
Of course. A common sense. Yeah. Is the reason he would want the Senate seat to be open is that Desantis himself would want to get into it. Some people have even said he might, you know, appoint his wife, Casey. And you know, there's like. It's like Star wars. Only, like five families are allowed to hold offices.
- [38:41]
Tyler Boyer
And the biggest sign that, you know, that. That Matt's not going back to Congress. You want to know what it is Ginger posted on Instagram the end of it.
- [38:50]
Jack Posobiec
Yeah.
- [38:51]
Tyler Boyer
So when the wife says that it's over, it's really over. Right, Everyone, we know this.
- [38:58]
Jack Posobiec
Yeah. I mean, I need to.
- [38:59]
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Blake Neff
Oh, this is great. So Blue sky is. Let's see. Actually, let's bring it up on the other laptop so people can look at it.
- [40:06]
Tyler Boyer
People on Blue sky are like people in public who wear masks.
- [40:09]
Blake Neff
Yeah. So if you bring it up here, I have it on.
- [40:11]
Jack Posobiec
By the way, Blake, I happen to notice that Vivek is not a Mac guy the other day.
- [40:14]
Blake Neff
Oh, that's good. That's good. Because Mac Macs are bad.
- [40:17]
Tyler Boyer
That's.
- [40:17]
Blake Neff
Consider that my anti endorsement. Following that, can we get money for completely anti endorsement.
- [40:22]
Jack Posobiec
Completely agree.
- [40:23]
Blake Neff
But what's great about it, first of all, like, I don't bring it up. Bring up the computer here, guys. One of the things that's great about this is, I guess, like, there's no intellectual property at all in terms of how you make a website, because bluesky just looks exactly like Twitter. It uses, like, the exact same logo, except it's a butterfly instead of a bird. I don't know if people can see this easily. And it has the exact same feed structure. As far as I can tell, it even uses the same icons, like, oh, you got replies. You have your re skies. In fact, I think the lingo term they're going with instead of tweet is, I've read this. It's skeet, which one is exactly like tweet, and two, look it up on Urban Dictionary. There is a gross meaning of that that we're not gonna talk about here. But it's all. It's like, all just 100% the exact same thing as Twitter, except what it is is it's Twitter for people who miss old Twitter. Not really old Twitter when it was funny in, like, 20, you know, 2015, when Trump has taken it over, but oppressive Stalinist Twitter in 2020. Like, people who are mad that when people say things that I don't like about vaccines or about elections, it makes me so mad, I just want to go to a place where it can be censored. And so it's censored Twitter. It's maximum censorship Twitter. There's a great post by Nate Silver that he just made today, actually. You guys can put it up there. I would join Blue sky if it was, like, 2012 to 2015 Twitter, but the people going there seem to think 2019 to 2020 Twitter was good when it was the most miserable place on earth unless you happened to fit within a very particular lane. And that's the thought he's had. It's thought a lot of people are having. One of the funniest things is all these libs are joining Blue Sky. One of the funniest examples of this is all these sports journalists are joining Blue sky because they're all ideological screamer people, and the athletes are not. The athletes are just staying on Twitter because Twitter is bigger and more popular. But these are all zealots, so they have to go to Blue Sky. And I guess I should explain, the reason they're doing it is because they've decided that Musk is to blame. Like, you know, the evil orange Hitler came back, and it's because there wasn't enough censorship on Twitter. They could have censored this. So now they're finally voting with their feet, and it's all these, like, you know, The Steve, Stephen King, Boomer lib resistance types who are mad. And one of the funniest things that's happening is there's sort of a left wing, real raw news conspiracy thing that thinks like Musk stole the election by having Starlink satellite. Yeah, that's blue. And I'm like, they stole the election with the Starlink satellites and they're all getting banned on Blue sky because they auto ban all the Electricians.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, yeah. And so I think, and I think who are the Babylon Bee guys set up over there? And they started posting some articles and like every sing of their posts got taken down on Blue Sky. But one of the interesting things, I don't have any at my fingertips and I don't know any that I can actually mention here in polite comment, polite company with. Because Thought Crime is of course a family show. But there have been some, there have been some really funny anons going over and brigading Blue sky. And basically what they're doing is they're going over there and pretending to be leftist and just saying like the craziest stuff to, to troll them and let's just mess with them and see like, and see how they respond and see how they react to things like, like the one. I think there was one. It was like, I'm, I'm a proud trans woman and I'll use the bathroom wherever I want, not just whatever room it is, what wherever place I'm standing in. I'm going to use the bathroom right there. And how dare you tell me otherwise. And they're, and the, and they're going up against these like, you know, like, like Rob Reiner and Mark Cuban type people. They're like, wait, what are you talking about? They don't, and they just don't know how to respond to it whatsoever. This is similar to, for, for those who are familiar with their, with their deep lore of the movement. It's similar to back in the old days when 4chan used a brigade Tumblr in like the, the game, the Gamergate era and some of that stuff. And it's just been, it's been absolutely hilarious.
- [44:53]
Charlie Kirk
Let's go to Jussie Smollett in the time we have remaining, guys. So what is the news with Jussie Smollett? I definitely want to hit this. All right, this is MAGA country.
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Blake Neff
The juice is loose. Juicy Smollet, as Dave Chappelle called him. So Jussie smollett, that was five, five and a half years ago at this point. It was early 2019, I believe as everyone remembers, Jussie Smollett was attacked by guys wearing MAGA hats who said, this is MAGA country. And they hung a noose around his neck and did all this bad stuff. And it was all transparently fake. It was some bizarre attempt to boost his career by being the victim of a hate crime. And Kim Fox, the DA or whatever they call it in Chicago, dropped all charges against him for extremely obvious, politically motivated reasons. So they appointed a special counsel who investigated it, charged him. He was convicted in 2021 and sentenced to 150 days in jail. He never served a single day of that. Even though many people have gone to prison for lesser things, in my opinion, he never served a single day. It's been winding through the extremely glacial Illinois justice system for three years now. And the Illinois Supreme Court says actually it's double jeopardy that they charged him through a special counsel after DA Kim Fox dropped the charges because in the process he like, forfeited some $10,000 bond or whatever. Like, and so it was double jeopardy, they say. So the juice is loose. He is an innocent man, just like, you know, another famous person with juice as a nickname. And it's pretty wild. And I do think there's actually a serious takeaway here, which is it was always, to me inherently ridiculous that Smollett, like, he gets charged just for filing a false police report. Like, he called like, and you know, it's a 150 day thing. He was basically doing a blood libel against half the country. Like, if we believe the concept of a hate crime exists, a crime like, motivated by hatred against another group of people, what is not. What is more fitting than you make up a completely insane, salacious allegation against a group of people to encourage hatred of them. I think faking a hate crime should actually be a serious thing. Like federal government comes in, charge him with a civil rights offense and say, you're going to jail for five years, 10 years, because it is not acceptable to defame a group of people like this. That's my take.
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Tyler Boyer
He kissed. He could have started race riots in Chicago. Yeah, he literally could have started race riots.
- [47:22]
Blake Neff
This is what would start, like, pogroms against Jewish people is they would say, like, oh, we found evidence that the Jews did this evil thing and then they would murder them. That's what they would do in Russia. That is how bad stuff starts. This is not a. Okay, it is funny because he is specifically a stupid and ridiculous person, but what he did, it was really bad. Really, really bad. And I think a good A good thing for whoever the next AG is and following up on Gates is we should treat, you know, faking a hate crime is. It is the real hate crime, as it were.
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Charlie Kirk
Mm. It should get the correlated punishment. All right. This is one of my favorite clips ever, by the way. I knew this was fake as soon as. Because I know Chicago very well. As soon as Jussie Smollett said that these guys were walking around in negative 10 degree weather. If you've ever spent time in Chicago when it's negative 10 degree weather, no one is gallivanting around, you know, saying, this is MAGA country on the way to subway. And I know the neighborhood. It's right near Streeterville. This did not happen. Play cut 74.
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E
They took our beautiful bench. This is where we waited for Jussie to come before we attacked him. So we got here with 10 minutes to spare, and we had to plan our escape route to survey the land. His building is actually right here, right above the stairs that we're going to attack him at. We made sure we got there at 2am sharp. On the dot. On the dot. We had no phones because he did not want us to bring any phones. He said, so we don't lose them. I don't know if that's really the reason, but you can deduce your own reason. So 2am he was nowhere to be found. He was not there. So we were like, damn, what do we do? We didn't have no way of contacting him. He had no way of contacting us. So we waited here for about what, four minutes? It was about four minutes, but it felt like forever because it was cold is balls. So I saw him out the corner of my eye and I was like, okay, that's him. Let's go. We gotta go get this Empire. Yeah, that's him.
- [49:33]
Jack Posobiec
Fast.
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Tyler Boyer
Come on, let's get him.
- [49:34]
Blake Neff
Get that.
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E
Let's get him. As we cross the street, we said, hey. To get his attention.
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Tyler Boyer
Hey.
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E
Hey. He turned around, looked at us, and that's when we started yelling the famous slurs. He wanted us to yell, hey, aren't you that Empire? Empire F N. It's MAGA country. He said, what did you say to me? And then that's when I threw the first punch at him. I held the blow because I didn't want to hurt him, of course. So I made it look real.
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Charlie Kirk
This is so good.
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E
I held it. Then we started tussling, moving around, and then I threw him to the ground. He wanted it to look like he fought back that was very important for him because he said, hey, don't just beat my. Make it look like I'm fighting back and whatnot. So we did that. And then I threw him to the ground. And while after I threw him to the ground, I. He had no bruise. I wanted it to look more real. So then I threw him to the ground. After I threw him to the ground, I used my knuckle and gave him a noogie. So I went like this. Why did I do that? To give him a scar, to give him a mark. To make it look real, like he really did get his beat. After I did that, I fake kicked him. I don't know what he was doing. I wasn't paying attention. That's where I came around with the bleach, the infamous bleach in the hot sauce bottle, poured it on his shirt. Then I finally put the rope around his face. I did not put it around his neck. I just placed it on his face. And that's when we took off.
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Tyler Boyer
Charlie, isn't that like right by Trump Tower? Isn't that, like, right over.
- [51:15]
Charlie Kirk
It's a little ways away. It's about. It's about five or six blocks north, but it's. It's the general area.
- [51:20]
Tyler Boyer
The general area. Remember, you can walk around there pretty.
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Charlie Kirk
I know the street that. That happened. I know, like, I've been there many times. And yes, you can. Not only can you walk around there, this is right near the Gold coast neighborhood, a little bit south, actually, like Streeterville River North. And the idea that, you know, anyone back then would wear a MAGA hat. Now, mind you, I might believe the MAGA hat portion of this in 2024, now that we've brought the MAGA hat back. But the MAGA hat was like, verboten back when this happened.
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Blake Neff
Well, and like, everything about it is. You just remember. It takes me back to the UVA story. Remember the Rolling Stone story about the assault at uva? And like, the details in these stories are so ridiculous and everyone would believe them. So it's like, okay, that they would recognize this guy in the street at 2am yeah. While wearing their MAGA hats at 2am when it's 10 degrees out as one does. And then just think, yeah, let's assault this guy. What are we going to salt him with? The noose that we're carrying around at night and the bleach that we are also carrying around in Chicago in the middle of the night for some reason.
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Tyler Boyer
And it was probably in a Kirk's Hot Sauce. Bottle.
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Blake Neff
It could be.
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Tyler Boyer
It could. It probably was a Kirk's hot sauce. While. Did we verify which hot sauce this was that they poured out?
- [52:46]
Blake Neff
Keep in mind, Kamala Harris, I believe, still has her tweet up about what happened to Juicy.
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Tyler Boyer
She does.
- [52:52]
Blake Neff
And I don't think she's ever even. She was never even asked about it. I don't.
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Charlie Kirk
Who.
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Jack Posobiec
Who has the tweet up, comma.
- [52:57]
Charlie Kirk
Who?
- [52:58]
Jack Posobiec
Oh, oh, yeah.
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Blake Neff
President. Once it was. It was no.
- [53:03]
Jack Posobiec
Donald Trump is the president. Donald Trump.
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Tyler Boyer
You know what's crazy about this entire thing? 2019, everyone forgets this. It was never reported on. There were aggressive antifa people outside threatening people in Washington D.C. that walked out of the Trump Tower, out of the Trump Hotel. Every time they walked out of the Trump Hotel threatening. I witnessed it numerous, numerous times. And this was just before COVID happened. Charlie, you remember all this when things were going on down there, you could not come out of there and walk safely out of there because it wasn't that dangerous. Because they wouldn't actually do it, but they would actually threaten you for wearing a MAGA hat. It was the opposite. It was literally the opposite happening. No one ever reported on it. People got assaulted all the time, got pushed around. They would get in your face, they spit on you. They do all sorts of things. Nothing ever was done about it. And then meanwhile, this guy just makes stuff up that of something that never happened and it never would happen. It's crazy. I totally agree with what you're saying.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, I got a dash in just a second here, but. And I think if you guys can keep on going, that would be great. But one other topic here I do want to kind of introduce guys, which I think is important very quickly, is kind of around what we spoke about earlier with the administration. Anything that you guys are seeing on the Democrat side or on a subversion side, Jack, in particular, that we have to watch out for, for undermining Donald Trump's agenda and marching orders for our audience before I sign off.
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Jack Posobiec
I mean, subversion, yeah, there's. There's all sorts of subversion. There's no question about that. I'm not saying, Anthony, Democrat side, but no, it's, it's, it's Republicans, it's establishment types getting into the admin. Look, we won the war, but can we win the peace? Right? So we won the battle. We won the big fight. We won the election. Great. Awesome. But now the peace comes. And Charlie, you've been down there doing the yeoman's work, of course, really trying to Fight this out. Because, look, if we don't have the right people in the right positions come January 20, come January 20, then all of the gains that we have put together could all fall apart. And think about all of the threats that happened in 2017. People do not remember that. 2017 as a year was a year of pure hell. It was a year of hell. It really was. The entire establishment came after, every single person associated with the Trump campaign, every person that they were looking at, that they were going after. They had a special prosecutor. That one after Jeff Sessions, was like sucking his thumb in the corner crying about this. And all of which, all of which happened under the. Under the guise of the Trump administration, a lot of which, by the way.
- [55:42]
Charlie Kirk
This is such an important lesson. You're exactly right. No, keep going, Jack. So finish it off. Because they're going to try to do the same thing over and over again.
- [55:50]
Jack Posobiec
Yeah, yeah. So this idea that, like, oh, we're just. And you saw what just happened in Gates, like, that's real power. Okay? That's real power. And MAGA is going to come up against that the same way we did in 2017. And you noticed that. That in 2017, there were certain initiatives that never fell through or that never. That never kept up. Steve Bannon was bounced from the White House. A lot of good people were bounced from the White House. And you got people like HR McMaster in there, the town drunk, you got General Kelly in there, and you go, look at this guy. So again, you know, we saw so much subversion, even from people who, quote, unquote, look good on paper, that eventually turned around and started stabbing people. John. John Kelly was running around talking about Nazis and Hitler in the waning days of the election of 2024, just a couple weeks ago. And this was a guy who was Homeland Security Secretary and a guy who was Chief of Staff of the White House. So don't sit there for a second and tell me that, oh, we can just bring in anybody off the street who spent enough time in Washington. And by the way, John Kelly, I. When I was at Guantanamo, he was the Southcom commander. So he came in a number of times. Right? He was part of the system. I met him a bunch of times down there. But it doesn't matter. When you're part of the system, you're part of the system. And MAGA is not part of the system. MAGA is trying to take over the system. So you're going to see this. It's like. It's like an immune response. Right? You're going to see this immune response. And I hope people can just wake up, just wake up and realize you got to get ready for that before it comes. Okay, so Tyler is here, Blake is here. Myself, Charlie had to run. He's down there in West Palm. I'm going to be in and out a little bit. I have a war room hit coming up, but I will be coming back. But we got Tyler, man. We. And Blake as well. We've got to talk about this stuff with Russia. This was the big one. And before the Gates news came out and this, like, hoax story about Trump, you know, maybe having a heart attack or something, which totally fake. That came out of some, like, fake pool at Mar a Lago, which is just ridiculous. Ridonkulous. Actually. Tyler, did. Did. Did Ukraine get nuked last night? What's going on?
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Tyler Boyer
That was. That was about as close as the report was of what was going on at Mar A Lago. So the, The. The answer was that Ukraine got nuked and Donald Trump had a heart attack. So simultaneously. So that's what was coming out actually then. But you have. You have more of the intel on exactly what happened and then can get into the specifications. But look, I'll tell you right away. I mean, this thing is escalating quickly, and it's that at the cost of America, it's at the cost of the entire world for the Russian people, for the Ukrainian people, because, you know, Joe Biden is not, you know, not staying on his meds and not getting enough rest. And there's a little bit too much Jill going on over there, I think. And hence we're, you know, they're trying to escalate real quickly. This is their last chance at World War Three, you know, over the course of the next couple months, and they're seeing it slip away from them very, very quickly. And so hence, we have, you know, an. An obvious response for the Russians after what Joe Biden came out with last.
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Blake Neff
Week, this is the response. It always disturbs me when people in D.C. or in the defense establishment or on Twitter or I guess on Blue sky now, when they're very cavalier about the risk of this blowing up, we're like, oh, do I just say it's like it would be irrational for Russia to do something. Wait, everyone's 100% rational.
- [59:21]
Tyler Boyer
Do we. Do we have to go to Blue sky now to see war response?
- [59:27]
Blake Neff
I'll just see if, like, Vin Ben is on Blue sky doing, like, deranged.
- [59:31]
Tyler Boyer
Jack Posobic has to have a Blue sky account. Just to follow what the war mongers are doing.
- [59:37]
Blake Neff
Yeah, man. Oh, we should have done it. We should have set up.
- [59:40]
Jack Posobiec
I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll put an, I'll put an add on. On it.
- [59:42]
Blake Neff
We should have had Charlie account and then at the start of the segment we should have created a jacket.
- [59:50]
Charlie Kirk
Wait, wait, wait.
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Tyler Boyer
Jack has a non account.
- [59:51]
Jack Posobiec
Wait, wait, Tyler, what makes you think I don't have add on accounts on Blue sky already?
- [59:56]
Tyler Boyer
Sorry, go ahead.
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Blake Neff
I was saying we should have had Charlie create a Blue sky account and then we should have had to make one post which is that like only, you know, like trans, trans women are men or something and just see how long it would take him to get banned.
- [60:08]
Tyler Boyer
Let me tell you a story about Charlie Kirk. I watched Charlie. One of our earliest campus things that we did was we were trying to flip the student government at University of Oregon. His pride and joy. And Charlie was. This was early in the days before. It was like everyone in the world knew who Charlie was and he was bobbing up and down, walking through the campus, like campaigning and he got exposed like within five minutes. It was like not even close. This is like five seconds. That would be Charlie Kirk's, you know, his entire Blue sky exposure. It would be not even within a few minutes.
- [60:44]
Blake Neff
Holy cow. This is what, this is what Vindman is saying over on Blue sky, which. One of the funny things about Blue sky that I forgot to mention with Charlie is you'll totally see libs who think like this is our secret clubhouse where we can just say things and no one will know.
- [60:58]
Tyler Boyer
That's insane.
- [60:59]
Blake Neff
That's for all I know of Inman.
- [61:00]
Tyler Boyer
Also, that's why we need Jack. It's funnier to have Jack on there as an on because the Jack Anon account on there just like just tracking and responding. Yeah, yeah, basically like a, like a, like a trans Dem.
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Blake Neff
But anyway, Alex right below his post saying, five years ago today I testified in Congress heroically against Trump. He says, he says that Biden lifting the restrictions on the long range missiles so we can, you know, lob rockets at Kursk is not a big deal, especially as Trump will likely cut support. The most meaningful action Biden can take is to push as many resources as possible before January 20th. Empty the stores, send everything. Just every single weapon the US has. It's all going to tiny man in Kiev.
- [61:46]
Tyler Boyer
This is getting, all of it obviously a bad idea.
- [61:48]
Blake Neff
This is like, it's truly insane. And what I kind of the thought experiment, I like to tell people to do is think of the most deranged warmonger you've ever, like, met in. You know, if you're in D.C. or if you've been out in the political world. Like, there are those lunatics who are like, we should do a nuclear first strike because they can't hit us back. Like, there are people who think that way. Russia has those people, too, probably more of them. You know, a large share of Russians are inebriated on cheap, distilled spirits at all times. And, like, there are people. There are people in Russia who think, like, we're the biggest country in the world, like, we can survive anything, like, we can beat America, or like, Americans are weak. They won't be able to shoot back.
- [62:33]
Jack Posobiec
They're lame.
- [62:34]
Blake Neff
They're pathetic. There are people who think that way. And all these people are like, we need regime change in Russia to get rid of Putin, who is Hitler. It is very bold to assume the person who would replace Putin if you took him out now would be more hinged than. Than Putin is. He could easily be substantially less hinged than Putin could be. And they are just very quietly doing this because it's out of the news cycle. We're having more coverage on the transition. We're having less coverage on politics. Generally, a lot of people are tuning out. But there are these tedious, obsessed people like Mr. Vindman and his weird wife and his weird relatives who just. They want war forever. And they'll do their best to hand off as big a war as possible to Trump because we know Trump's disposition. He doesn't like to start wars, but he also doesn't want to, like, take a loss or seem like he's weak. So I think they may even realize if we can make this war as big as possible, Trump will feel somewhat committed to the status quo because he can't come in and immediately look weak by scaling things back. Yeah, it's very sinister, what they're doing, and it's very dark. To think of how many thousands of people are going to die because these lunatics are worked up about stuff they read on Blue Sky. To think that, oh, we need to send every single weapon in the US Arsenal to this kind of failed state in Eastern Europe makes. Makes me feel nuts.
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Jack Posobiec
No, it's. It's completely. It's completely nuts. But at the same time, we have to remember that, like you say, they have been using these weapons for a long time, these hypersonic missiles, by the way, which. What was really interesting was I was talking on. On human events earlier today. About IOC dates. And so that's initial operational capability. And so the fact that Russia did use a hypersonic glide vehicle, it seems I should say hypersonic vehicle. We don't know if it was actually glide or not. That this was. The idea being is that this is a medium range ballistic missile or even intermediate range, not intercontinental ballistic missile, which have never been used before, by the way, in a combat situation between two countries, even though a lot of ICBMs so like they are also dual use in terms of the space program because that's literally how powerful they are. So a lot of the Elon Musk stuff, these seeing the Starship and some of those launchers, they can even, you know, the Falcon Heavy and different stuff, they can be you. They could potentially also be used as an icbm. As and as people know the original history of the space program, that's actually how the rockets, the V2 and the Saturn 5 etc were created, were part of a war effort. We don't have time to go down that entire rabbit hole right now, Project Paperclip. But point being is the United States apparently had been monitoring these hypersonic, but didn't actually know that it was ready to go yet because they said, well, wait a minute, the Russians haven't actually tested this thing, so we don't know if it can actually work. And Putin said in his video, he said, look, this was the operational test of the hypersonic missile and it passed with flying color. So even he kind of admitted that they hadn't done the testing on it. And this was an operational missile, but something that was being intended to, you know, send a message, et cetera, et cetera, to the west to say basically, look, you know, either, either we can do peace or if you want a war, we'll give you a much wider war. And a lot of the hardliners, look, here's the thing too, and Tyler, you kind of, you kind of mentioned it. Blake, you mentioned it. Where a lot of the hardliners in Russia right now are saying, wait, why should we take peace when we're winning? Why should we take a peace deal when the US Just said they're not going to give the Ukrainians any more dollar bills. Why don't we just take all the rest of the territory from the border of Ukraine all the way out to the DNEPR river, maybe even Odessa? Why not? So the hardliners are sitting there saying, don't take the deal, keep going. That's the real danger.
- [66:28]
Tyler Boyer
Yeah, I mean, look, here's one thing I know about the Russian people. They are fully behind Putin. They are 100%, 1,000% dedicated to Putin. The entire country trusts his judgment and their strategy of what they're trying to do. I mean, and look at to this point, and again, I don't want to get too deeply into this and start a debate. And all this, this is just observational from what I've heard from my Russian friends that I still have over there and even Ukrainian friends that are over there is they, you know, Russia's been very clear about what they want. They want a specific piece of Ukraine. They have continued to just pummel that specific piece of Ukraine. And, you know, every. They've, they've kept everything else pretty darn stable with how they've interacted with the rest of the world. They've kept everything pretty stable with how other bordering countries that they've had. And this is like, they're not. I just, I don't see them unrelenting without some kind of, you know, peace brokering that's going to come from only a guy like Donald Trump at this point. And, you know, they're gonna probably want, you know, the US to go to the table for some of their interests. And, you know, whether or not the US has, you know, any interest in doing that, that's going to be, you know, a art of the deal type of a thing. I think there's going to be a lot, lot to gain in this future Trump presidency, both in the Middle east and with Turkey and with so many other things that we've discussed before. But, you know, I have significant trust that the President's going to be able to have the wherewithal to come out with a good deal that's best for us and probably de escalate where we're going. But what Biden's doing right now is clearly not going to help. It's going to escalate. We're getting nothing out of it. In fact, it's costing us billions of dollars. If we had elected Joe Biden for another four, or Kamala Harris, Kamala Biden for another four years, it would have been. It would have cost us. It would have bankrupt the country, would have probably spun into, like, massive debt, and not to mention probably entered into World War Three. And so I'm just very bullish on the outcomes here. I think that it's going to be a very positive outcome that's going to hopefully de escalate, save lives. And, you know, that may mean that, you know, Russia has a little bit more influence over Ukraine which they always have, basically anyways. You know, now they're just continuing to add to the rubble by, you know, providing more weapons to throw at Russia and forcing Russia to respond even more. Where they're trying to, you know, Russia ultimately wants to rebuild some of these places that they want to. They want to control. So, you know, it's the prolonging that doesn't seem like the best move for the people of Ukraine. Doesn't seem like the best. Best move for the people of Eastern Europe and certainly not for us as Americans who pay for all this. So. Or I guess we don't really pay for it. Just made up money.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, exactly. All right, guys. Well, I think that's. That's about the. I mean, we could, we could go in and debate that forever, but shout out your. Your socials unless people know where to follow you.
- [69:40]
Tyler Boyer
Yeah, you can follow me at Tyler.
- [69:42]
Blake Neff
Boyer and you can't follow me anywhere because social media is bad sometimes.
- [69:48]
Tyler Boyer
I'll tick tock star.
- [69:49]
Blake Neff
Don't let him.
- [69:50]
Charlie Kirk
Don't, don't.
- [69:50]
Jack Posobiec
Don't let him get away with that one, folks. Blake has got a massive TikTok addiction.
- [69:54]
Blake Neff
Whatever.
- [69:55]
Tyler Boyer
No, a girl messaged me on this week on Instagram. I think it's like, hey, is Blake available? And I said, I don't know. DM him.
- [70:04]
Jack Posobiec
Whoa.
- [70:05]
Tyler Boyer
I said, slide into his dms. Non existent dms.
- [70:09]
Blake Neff
They can't find me.
- [70:11]
Jack Posobiec
Gotta go through one of the gatekeepers. All right, guys. All right, guys. So that has been this week's Thought Crime Thursday. And remember, go out there and commit more Thought Crime Times.
- [70:21]
Charlie Kirk
Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.
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Blake Neff
Com.
- [70:24]
Charlie Kirk
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
- [70:27]
Jack Posobiec
For more on many of these stories.
- [70:29]
Blake Neff
And news you can trust, go to charliekirk.