THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 65 — CEO Assassins? Best Christmas Movies?

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Thoughtcrime Ep. 65 — CEO Assassins? Best Christmas Movies?"

Release Date: December 7, 2024
Podcast: The Charlie Kirk Show
Host: Charlie Kirk (Absent)
Guests: Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Matthew Martinez

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1. Introduction and Apology

The episode begins with an apology from Charlie Kirk for missing the recording due to an important dinner in Palm Beach. He directs listeners to enjoy the discussion led by Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, and Matthew Martinez.

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2. CEO Assassinations and "Thought Crime"

Incident Overview

The primary focus of the episode is the shocking assassination of the CEO of United Healthcare in New York. The guests delve into the details of the murder, highlighting its calculated nature and the perpetrator's apparent motives.

Key Discussion Points:

• Motive and Symbolism:
  Blake Neff discusses how the assassin left bullet casings inscribed with "Delay, Deny, Defend"—a direct reference to the book by Jay Feynman, which critiques insurance companies for denying claims.
  [05:11] Blake Neff: “The words on the bullet casings were a direct reference to this book that was anti insurance companies.”

• Ideological Underpinnings:
  Jack Posobiec connects the violent act to broader leftist revolutionary ideologies, drawing parallels with historical communist revolutions. He asserts that such actions stem from deep-seated resentment and a desire to dismantle existing structures of power.
  [17:14] Jack Posobiec: “They take grievances and then they decide that they can just kill, maim, steal anyone who is on the other side of the grievance, whether perceived or not.”

• Societal Impact and Reactions:
  The guests express concern over segments of society, especially younger generations, who may sympathize with or celebrate such acts of violence. They argue that this reflects a dangerous shift towards endorsing revolutionary violence instead of seeking systemic reforms.

Notable Quotes:

• Jack Posobiec emphasizes the seriousness of condoning such violence:
  [10:18] Jack Posobiec: “You cannot condone wanton, leftist revolutionary violence... It is the path to absolute societal destruction.”

• Matthew Martinez highlights the generational divide and the troubling attitudes among youth:
  [12:51] Matthew Martinez: “These are the same people who are against all these gun controls... It's a gross mindset to have.”

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3. Historical and Ideological Context

Comparisons to Past Revolutions:

• The discussion draws parallels between the current assassination and historical events like the French Revolution, where revolutionary fervor led to the violent overthrow of established institutions.
  [40:15] Jack Posobiec: “We saw this in the Spanish Civil War... they find someone who is an unsympathetic target and they say, we're just gonna go after them.”

• References to the Bolshevik Revolution and the Red Guards illustrate how grievances can escalate into widespread violence and chaos.
  [32:07] Jack Posobiec: “Any time you support anti elite ventures, you're paving the way for similar violent uprisings.”

Impact on Modern Society:

• The guests argue that allowing grievances to fester without addressing them through peaceful and legal means can lead to an environment where revolutionary violence becomes normalized.

• They discuss the role of media and cultural narratives in perpetuating these ideologies, citing examples like the movie "Parasite" and its reception as reflective of an "eat the rich" mentality.

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4. Transition to Christmas Movies

After a deep dive into the serious topic of CEO assassinations and ideological violence, the conversation shifts to a lighter subject: the best Christmas movies.

Key Discussion Points:

• Debate on "Die Hard" as a Christmas Movie:
  The hosts engage in a playful debate about whether "Die Hard" qualifies as a Christmas movie, ultimately concluding that while it is set during Christmas, it lacks significant Christmas themes.
  [53:07] Blake Neff: “It's a movie that takes place during Christmas, but it doesn't have important Christmas themes.”

• Favorite Classics:
  "Home Alone" is hailed as a favorite Christmas movie for its emotional depth and portrayal of family values, while "Elf" is appreciated for its cute and heartwarming elements.
  [47:50] Blake Neff: “Home Alone has a lot of emotional oomph to it.”

• New Christmas Films:
  The hosts mention newer Christmas films like "The Star," an animated retelling of the Nativity from the animals' perspective, praised for its strong Christian themes and notable voice cast.

Notable Quotes:

• Jack Posobiec advocates for traditional Christmas values depicted in classic films:
  [51:10] Jack Posobiec: “Imagine if you could just live in one of those worlds where all you had to worry about was, oh, the town Christmas party needs a fundraiser to save the old inn.”

• Matthew Martinez emphasizes the importance of maintaining Christian elements in Christmas media:
  [51:02] Matthew Martinez: “All the new Christmas movies... have that, the Christ element to things they actually talk about.”

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5. Concluding Remarks

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter about Christmas movies and the importance of maintaining traditional values both in media and society. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with their content through social media platforms and promote upcoming discussions.

Final Quote:

• Jack Posobiec underscores the significance of upholding societal values against rising chaos:
  [60:41] Jack Posobiec: “You cannot condone wanton, leftist revolutionary violence... It is the path to absolute societal destruction.”

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Thoughtcrime," the hosts tackle the grave issue of ideological violence exemplified by the assassination of a healthcare CEO, linking it to historical revolutionary movements and contemporary cultural narratives. They caution against the normalization of such violence and advocate for maintaining traditional societal values. The discussion then transitions to a festive debate on Christmas movies, balancing serious discourse with seasonal light-heartedness.

For more insights and discussions, visit charliekirk.com.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk show, thought crime, but I'm not there. I actually missed this one. I was having a dinner with somebody important. You can guess who, and I missed it. So I apologize. I was supposed to be there, but couldn't miss this dinner in Palm Beach. And I think you guys would understand if you knew the whole story. So apologize for that. Enjoy. Blake, Jack and the team talk about many different things. Email US as always, freedomarlykirk.com that is freedomarlykirk.com Become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com Members.charliekirk. com Get involved with Turning Point USA at tpusa.com that is tpusa.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack Posobiec]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Thought Prime Thursday. I'm here. Jack Basobic coming to you remote this evening. I'm down here in Palm Beach, Florida. I've been conducting a number of, well, let's just say, activities inside and outside of the transition team. Also doing the show from down here, watching as the greatest government that the United States has ever seen is being put together before our very eyes. Charlie Kirk also intimately involved in said activities. And in fact, one of those activities is currently taking up a little bit of his time tonight. And so not actually sure if Charlie is going to be joining us. He was supposed to be here, but he may be flying in if he's able to do so. But do not worry, do not fear, because we've got a fantastic thought crime lined up for you tonight and a list of fascinating and wonderful crimes of thought to commit. And joining us as well is Blake Neff. What's up. Blake.

[Blake Neff]

Howdy, Jack. Good to have you. You look like you are inside the sun right now, but I'm sure it's all for the best. And I've got like a. I've got.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like a. I've got, like a light. I've got, like a light on my thing. I could turn it down. Is that. Is that. Am I still inside the sun? How's that?

[Blake Neff]

You're still someone.

[Jack Posobiec]

You look. As opposed to you who looks like you've never seen the sun.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, you know, it's. It's just part of. It's just part of the color, as it were, or the lack of color we might say we have today. Because I think Andrew's on a plane, and I think Tyler was like, I have to help some Republicans or some lame excuse like that. Whatever. We have one of the men who made our victory in this election possible. This is Matthew Martinez. He is with Chase the Vote Turning Point action. I would visit him every day before the election. I would go in and I would say, are we going to win? And he would be like, 110%, Blake, we're going to win.

[Matthew Martinez]

And look at what happened.

[Blake Neff]

And we won. So if we'd lost, we might have thrown him off the building, but we won. So he doesn't have to get thrown off the building, and instead, he's the hero. That's. That's the stakes of winning and losing.

[Matthew Martinez]

Thanks, Blake. Thanks for the introduction. And you know what? I do have a little bit more sun. We're calling here at Sunny Phoenix, Arizona. Spent a lot of time outside of my life, you know, and actually, when I. Before I got into politics, I actually did a lot of AC work on roofs and attics. Right. So spent a lot of sun. So that gave me, you know, a little bit more of my complexion. Right. Being here in Arizona. But, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Welcome.

[Matthew Martinez]

Thanks for having me on the show.

[Blake Neff]

Of course. Of course. Thank you. Thank you for stepping in. Well, the first topic we have, I think we were all in agreement, we had to hit this. We have armed lunatics murdering CEOs in the streets of America. The CEO of United Healthcare, that's one of the nation's largest health insurers, was, you'd say, gunned down in the streets of New York, but that's kind of selling it short. He was basically assassinated.

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

A guy came up, pulled up a suppressed pistol, shot him, made a planned getaway, it seems.

[Matthew Martinez]

Yep.

[Blake Neff]

It seems. Police are closing in. They have a photo of him. They seem to even know where the suspect Kind of how he traveled up to Central Park. Yeah, he traveled there on a bus from Atlanta, by the sounds of it. Now, they haven't released a name for the person, so my guess is maybe they were able to. Have they. Have they released.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I mean, I have to imagine they have a name by now. If you've got that much information. You know which bus he took, you know which they're talking about, the hostel that he stayed at, they have that they're talking about, I guess.

[Blake Neff]

I'm sure they.

[Jack Posobiec]

I guarantee.

[Blake Neff]

I'm surprised. Give out the name then. So people could ask for information potentially, like if they. If they know who they're looking for. But I guess now that I think about it, they don't seem to do that in a lot of other cases.

[Jack Posobiec]

One of the things was that apparently the guy was traveling with a fake id. So it could be that the name they currently have is the fake name that he used to check into the hostel. And then if he was traveling on the bus, then potentially, yeah, he wouldn't need, you know, wouldn't really need to buy a ticket in name if you, you know, if you paid cash, if you did it in a smart way. So it's possible that they have a name, but it's just fake name and they're just kind of, you know, whittling down. I mean, either way, here's what I want to say. So I understand we probably can't. Can we play the video or, you know, we're on Rumble, right? I don't know if that's. If that's. If that's doable or not. But the question is, though, the first thing I want to say is that when this video first dropped, I remember it was going viral. People were looking at it. Charlie was looking at it. He was asking me about it, and people kept saying, oh, this thing is so professional. It's a professional hit. This is the real deal. This is what it really looks like. And I remember watching it going, this is a joke. This guy's a larper. This is a guy who's just like, watched too many Liam Neeson movies and, like, too many Jack Reacher episodes, Jack Ryan, and thinks he knows, you know, what he's supposed to do. And it was hilariously sloppy, hilariously bad. And I think that the more he's like, his gun jams at one point and then he slaps. Are we playing the video right here? It is. I mean, this is just despicable stuff. Just straight up despicable. Evil, disgusting. I've Stayed at that hotel. This is the Midtown Hilton. This is where Trump had his first victory speech in 2016. This is where Trump's victory party was. It was the same. If it's the same Midtown Hilton, which I think it is, this is where Trump held his 2016 victory, was in that very same hotel. I stayed at that hotel. I was there that night. I was standing right. I remember at one point standing right there as Trump was walking in down that very same sidewalk. When was that? November 3rd of 2016 and 4th, you know, like 3 in the morning, walking by. And I watched. There was a fire truck there and I watched John Podesta's speech, like on this, like, little TV that was in the side of the fire truck and. Sorry, yeah, no, I mean, it doesn't. It's not connected to what happened. It's just my memory of that sidewalk, that very same stretch of sidewalk is so vivid. And then to think that there was this murder that took place there was crazy. But what was the. Late Blake. There's another piece of it where we also apparently found out how it is that this guy slipped his mask.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, yeah. So just breaking. Now, we were seeing this. The. We have a photo of the shooter where his mask is down. And apparently the way they got this was a woman was flirting with him at the hostel that he said and asked him to pull down his mask while she was flirting with him. And then you can see there, he's got his mask pulled down and is smiling at her.

[Matthew Martinez]

Wow.

[Blake Neff]

So got that back in, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Face like I'm macking, like, you know, I'm something of an assassin myself, you.

[Blake Neff]

Know, and, you know, you see it. A pure. A pure, like, you know, hideous incel. Shooter would have never. Would have never made that mistake. He would. He would still be on the run, like, no clues left behind.

[Jack Posobiec]

But so there were some clues that were left behind. And this was, you know, apparently was done. So I remember one of the first things I said was, you know, why leave shells? You're leaving shell casings everywhere. They're going to be able to identify the gun and it turn that the shell casings were left on purpose with a sort of message. Do you have that?

[Blake Neff]

I don't know if we have photos of it, but the actual words were. It was delay, defend, and depose. I think depose, probably referring to, like, depositions that you would do in a legal case. And so that gets into the second part of this, which is so interesting, is he was. He's a health insurance CEO, health Insurance companies are not super popular in America because they're the ones you have to interact with and are very expensive healthcare system, healthcare costs a lot. They sometimes deny claims or contest claims. And, you know, the claim is especially that this company in particular allegedly is maybe more aggressive in contesting claims. And so what you have on the Internet, if you check Twitter or if you check the liberal haven of blue sky, you have people just overtly celebrating this murder. They're saying, this is great. He got what he deserved. I hope this guy makes it out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Those words apparently are reference to a title of a book. Right. This. This book that was written Jay Feynman, Delay, Deny, Defend, which is. It's exactly what you're talking about. It's a book that was written about insurance companies who don't pay the claims, what you can do about it. So it was this whole, like, famous in those circles, cut off of the insurance agency. A real grievance, by the way. A true grievance. I'm not saying it's not a true grievance, but apparently the words on the bullet casings were a direct reference to this book that was anti insurance companies.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, precisely. It's a valid critique to say that these companies deny too many claims, but it's very dark that you're seeing this pivot towards people just overtly celebrating a. What is an appalling murder in the streets. And I'll be honest, I'm a little upset. I think even on the right, I don't see people quite as opposed to this as they should be. You're young. You might have a good. I feel like there's a lot of pro. There's a lot of sympathy towards, like, underdogs, however defined. Even if they're criminals.

[Matthew Martinez]

Sure.

[Blake Neff]

Or just this sort of chaotic element among young people where they think America's a scam or America's rigged, and it makes them inclined to cheer for people who are violent criminals.

[Matthew Martinez]

It depends on the side of my generation. Right. For these younger people, among students, if you're attending all these woke colleges, they're probably gonna be parading a little bit more about this shooting, unfortunately. Sickening. It really is. It's a. It's a gross mindset to have. And this is. It could be anybody. Right. These are the same people that were parading when President Trump got shot. Right. Who. They were just all excited. Right. This is disgusting.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Matthew Martinez]

But these are also the same people who are against all these gun control or for all this gun control people. So it doesn't make any Sense. It's a oxymoron, frankly, amongst these people. But there's also another factor or I guess, set of people my age who. Who are recognizing what's going on. Right. And they're seeing that this is. This is sickening. Regardless of political size or whomever it is, even if it's the most. Although he is the CEO of the eighth largest company in the world, I believe.

[Blake Neff]

Maybe the eighth largest. Health.

[Matthew Martinez]

Health. Yeah, something like that.

[Blake Neff]

The eighth largest overall. Now, I don't know. I don't know my. My companies.

[Matthew Martinez]

But regardless, even if the Robin Hood idea, right. What we care about, and a lot of my generation is justice. I think my generation is probably one of the largest, has this mindset of justice needs to be served with whomever. Right? That's why you see my generation protests at the drop of a pen sometimes because they want to see justice. So it is weird seeing a mix in my generation. But I have also seen some things too. Some I think I did. I saw it on Blue Skies. The Democrat little organization. The Twitter of Democrats.

[Blake Neff]

Democrats and pedophiles.

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Those are the two groups on Blue Sky.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know what maps make sure to say right there? Maps. Minor attracted persons. Blake, we don't want you. Ms. Ms. Even called it misorienting. Misorienting the pedos. No, we can't have that. This is thought crime, after all. This is a very classy production. No, but here's the thing with what's going on. So, Blake, you and I did Chronicles of the Revolution last year, the podcast series, which then we turned into the book the Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them. And this is specifically the ideology that we wrote about in the book with Joshua Lysak came in and was the co author of it. And we talked exactly about the ideology of communists and how this stuff spreads. They take grievances and then they decide that they can just kill, maim, steal anyone who is on the other side of the grievance, whether perceived or not. So either a perceived false grievance or a real grievance. And sure, these are real grievances. I'm not saying they're not. We've all had all sorts of issues with health insurance companies, but that doesn't mean you can just pick up a gun and go start murdering people on the street. And the problem is that when I see conservatives going in and saying, oh, yeah, you know, take it to the elite. You know, take it to. Take it to the man, et cetera, guess what? They view you as the man, too. They view you and Donald Trump and your family and anyone else as this because they see you as unhuman. They see you as an invasive species. They see you as standing in the way of their utopia. And ultimately it's not about justice and social justice and equity and all these fancy window dressing words that they use to kind of, you know, church it up, to try to dress it up. No, it's about envy, it's about grievance, it's about petty resentment and hatred. And so rather than do something to fix the situation, they just want to rob, kill and destroy. And guess what? If these things are allowed to continue, they will rob, kill and destroy everyone until they are the only ones standing. And look, you know, I hate to say it, but, you know, we took a lot of crap when we put that book out and it did very, very well. And look, we saw this coming and it actually doesn't surprise me at all. And Taylor Lorenz, by the way, is someone else who she posted, I don't know what they call them on Blue sky, but she posted it, made a post on Blue sky where she was saying that, oh, and they wonder why we want to kill healthcare CEOs the day after, I guess, the day of an assassination. Cold blood like this. And so people saying, wait a minute, isn't this miss, you know, Covidia and Taylor Lorenz? And she's so, so worried about COVID and she spent months planning this, like, book launch so it would be Covid friendly and Covid safe. We'll say, wait a minute, how could she be so worried about that and about getting one person sick. But she's totally cool with cold blooded murder. Again, it's because they don't view you as human. They view you as something that is, that is sub, Something that is lesser. And they want you out of the way. And their reasons for it at that point actually don't matter because they will condone any level of violence in order to achieve their ends. It's all based in resentment. And by the way, it's the same thing that's been going back since the French Revolution.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, you know, you mentioned the Taylor Lorenz thing. I think we should highlight what she actually said since a lot of people can't actually see it. So, like, first, right after this happened, there was a news story with a separate healthcare company, Blue Cross Blue Shield. There was a dispute. I don't know the full details on it, but I guess Blue Cross was saying they were not going to pay for like the full Cost of anesthesia in some surgeries. And they backtracked on this because there was a lot of backlash to it. All I would say is I, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out there's like scumbag doctors out there who keep you under too long because then they can bilk insure there's a shocking amount of medical fraud in America. But whatever that case, even if they're really bad. And she replies to this, this is right after the shooting and people wonder why we want these executives dead. And then she does various tweets. She like, does all these various other posts on Blue sky where someone said, like, you're posting your own sentiment. Don't. She tries to backtrack. Later, he says, don't backtrack. People shouldn't celebrate murder. And she replies, murder. Like what happens every year to thousands of innocent Americans killed by greedy insurance executives denying their coverage. You should probably understand this because Taylor Lorenz is approximately your 80 and 50.

[Matthew Martinez]

These people are the same people who say, eat the rich. They've been saying this for many, many, many years. And it's been subliminal. This is absolutely subliminal. So when you have that same mindset, that same campaign of attack, the rich eat the rich despise those who make more. Right. It's. It's going to cause motivation. And this is what we're seeing in New York. This is what happened just a few days ago.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And what I remember that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hey, do you remember that movie Parasite? Parasite, the Korean movie years ago. Yeah, yeah. So that movie is. And it won like Academy Award or something. And that was a movie where the left was loving this thing. They thought it was so wonderful. It was like, oh, it's this great, you know, this great, you know, this great film, blah, blah, blah. And that's exactly what it was about. It was about a group of people who go to work for a family. And yeah, it won best picture at the Academy Award. So it won the Oscar for best picture, best director, best original screenplay, best international feature film. It won a ton of things. And it was the first non English film to win the best picture at the Academy Award. So the first foreign film to win or non English foreign film to win the Academy Award for best picture. This movie, Parasite. And what was it about? It was about a family that essentially hires a rich family that hires a working class family to go and work for them. And the working class family eventually just murders everyone in the rich family and ruins their lives. And it's the rich family doesn't actually do anything wrong to the working class family. But we're told that like the working class family are the heroes because they rose up and killed the rich people who like hired them. And I remember sitting, watching this movie, getting all these accolades, saying, what's going on? Why are we supposed to hate these people? Who, okay, yeah, sure, they maybe they have this privileged life in terms of wealth and in terms of how well they've done for themselves in their lives. And yet they don't really get into how hard they worked or any of the sacrifices they had to make to be able to get to that level, etc. Where we're just told that you're supposed to hate them because they're rich and they're therefore the working class family is justified in killing the rich family because of the wealth disparity. And it was crazy. And this won the Academy Award literally like five years ago. And I remember sitting there watching this going, why is nobody else talking about. You're right, it's this eat the rich mentality. And yet it's totally been mainstreamed.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. I mean even I'm looking at our comments on the stream and we have purple daffodil saying it's like when people aren't sad when child murderers get murdered in prison. Well, okay, but a guy who runs an insurance company, that is not, it's not, it's not a child murderer. They are a person who runs a controversial business and that may require a policy action. But what I've been warning, because I've, I've talked to people relatively on our side who didn't care about this, were blase about it, thought it seems like this guy deserves it. And all I have to say is the people who are defending this would defend any other like unfamous white guy CEO getting shot. They would find a reason to justify it. They'd say he, he pays a low wage, he doesn't pay workers enough. There was a sexual harassment lawsuit as company, his company is racist. They don't hire enough diversity. They would find that he outsources to this or that country. That's bad. They would find a reason to hate this person. Because what this is really rooted in is a fundamental resentment. They are, they're basically happy that a white male CEO got shot.

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And they would find a reason to celebrate this because white male, not famous CEO is a, is a kulak class to reference that if you're familiar with it. The kulaks where we've talked about it on the show, they were the targets of the Bolsheviks. It was like the prosperous peasants of early Soviet Russia. And that's kind of what the antifa wing of America wants to expropriate. And it's, they're not just focused on billionaires, they're very much focused on anyone who owns a company, is the head of a company, is conventionally successful in America, who doesn't entire, who isn't entirely subsumed into this left wing apparatus. Purple daffodils fighting back. He says that has nothing to do with him being a white male. Well, yes it does. It absolutely does. For a lot of.

[Jack Posobiec]

It really does.

[Blake Neff]

Maybe not you specifically, but for the bulk of people celebrating this.

[Jack Posobiec]

Absolutely, absolutely. And I'm not seeing the chat, I don't have it up. But look, here's, here's the issue, right, is you think it's not that big of a deal. It was just this one guy. Well, guess what, guess what? If you don't crack down on things like this, guess who they're going to come for next and they're going to keep going. And then they'll go for what else? The Trump family. They've already taken what, two shots at Donald Trump or the guy tried to over here in West Palm. A couple of weeks, literally a couple of weeks ago, Donald Trump almost was killed. And then a couple weeks before that his head was almost blown off on stage. Do you think, oh, he deserved that too? No, you have to crack down on this stuff in every single instance that it takes place because if you ever open it up, it doesn't stop. And you hear this all the time. I hear people on the right, they say, oh, you know, like they'll say the, the Romanov family, well they deserved it. You know, they did World War I and that was stupid. And you know, the czar was, was committing troops against the Kaiser and it was, you know, it was just really bad. And you cares. And he forced people to be serfs even though serfdom had actually already been outlawed at that point. But they'll just go in on all this stuff and we'll never actually consider the consequences of where it leads. It always leads to piles of skulls. And guess what? You think, oh, I'm cool, I supported it. I went in on your little anti elite venture. Well guess what? That's not going to save you when you get lined up at the trench with your family and you get the bullet, you get the muzzle of the gun pointed at the back your head. Sorry. Oh well, you know, it's just another white CEO no, like you, you really need to stop and you really need to wake up and grow up right now because this stuff is incredibly serious.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's just I. And another thing pointed out is just someone says it's just surprising the guy didn't have security. And I would like to fight back against that too. I don't think we should consider actually everyone in America, he had, they did.

[Jack Posobiec]

Say apparently that there had been some like, I don't know all the details yet because it's still shaken out. We're in the fog of crime on this. But they said that he did actually have home security because I think there had been some threatening messages or something that had come out. And so he had home security, but for some reason they weren't with him at this hotel.

[Blake Neff]

Even that I don't want us to turn into South Africa where every person who has a net worth over a million dollars needs like a special dedicated, full time private security person. I think that's deranged. I don't think that's a good way to live. And as I've warned people, if that is the way of life people end up having to live in, that is what will make people pro gun control. If they feel I need to be armed at all times because it is like constant threat of violence against me. That is what is going to make people say, screw it. Police state, like take away everyone's guns. Like it. It's not good if tons of people are living in constant terror that they will be assassinated. That is a path of, a path of decline. I think we're all in agreement on this, but I would encourage everyone who's watching who disagrees to change their minds.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because what else are they saying? What else do the disagree or saying?

[Blake Neff]

Oh, they're just going, yeah, I like that. We can respond to the comments today. You know, obviously a lot of people are.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're live, by the way. So if you want to, if you want to comment, please do.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, just a lot of people are saying insurers ruin people's lives. What I will also say here, okay, I'm not. It feels awkward to do this, but within the grand scheme of the American health care system, within the grand scheme of the American healthcare system, insurers are the meat shield. They exist to take the hate of everyone for a system that is created by a lot of people. Like hospitals inflate healthcare costs, doctors inflate healthcare costs, the government inflates healthcare costs, pharmaceutical companies inflate healthcare costs, everyone inflates healthcare costs. And if you completely got rid of the cut taken by insurance companies, took them out of the picture, and we just imagined there was a 0% profit on all health insurance and that was what it was, we would still have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and all those procedures that you want to get would still be monstrously expensive. And it's not that healthcare insurance companies are always great because they do have this sinister incentive to try to deny care when they can. But the system itself is enormously messed up and you would still be having to pay way too much for tons of procedures if the insurance companies didn't exist. And I think people are afraid to confront this because they want to imagine that the American healthcare system is easy to fix. And unfortunately it's such a calamity that it is almost impossible to fix. It would be like popping the world's largest tumor or something. Can you pop a tumor?

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know. I guess I'll just say, look, this came up when we were doing young humans book so many times and you see communists and far leftists using actual grievances over and over in order to fuel this type of revolutionary violence. And unfortunately you get a lot of people who will start saying, oh well he deserved it. And you know, don't worry that it's happening to that guy. And you know, I see people in the chat right now saying, you know, it's no, it's their fault, you know, they chose to be victim. Someone is saying people are treated badly and it shouldn't have happened. You know, he shouldn't have done that. Let's see, you know, the corruption, helplessness. Look, look, look, Number one, number one, it is, it is, it is absolutely sinful. And it's completely sinful. It is a direct violation of the ten Commandments. And it's unquestionably, unquestionably breaking one of God's commandments to do this type of activity, as is all communism by the way. Then when you go beyond that, if you're condoning it, that means you're actually condoning the breaking of a commandment. So it's completely anti Christian to support any of this type of activity. That's a huge just basic like 101 level thing. Number two though, for people who say, okay, this is legitimate grievance, it is, and that's why you have to, as a government, you have to come in and find ways to meet that grievance, find some kind of compromise to bring down whatever. Look, we didn't have a revolution in The United States when there were communist revolutions all over the world. Why? Because the government did come in and institute reforms for the working class. They introduced the weekend. They introduced the 40 hour work week. There were so many things, fringe benefits, which became benefits of which, by the way, health insurance was one of the things that was interesting. I mean, Blake, from a historic perspective, you're talking about insurance companies. The idea that your job gave you insurance is actually, like, in the grand scheme of things, a fairly new type of just this facet of having employment, because this was never originally considered something a job was. Here's your wage and have fun. Go to the hospital if there's some issue with you. So even the whole system of health insurance and tying of that to the employment system was something that was brought in as one of these compromises, historically speaking, going back about 100 years ago or 80 years ago in the progressive era, and then in the 1930s as well. And again, I'm not defending any of it, obviously. Like, I stand for all sorts of government reform. Look what we just spent the entire last year doing. You know, this is the populist movement, after all. But I'm saying what I'm very, very emphatically saying is you cannot condone wanton, leftist revolutionary violence, which is what it does seem like this was.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. In the end, violence, chaotic violence, always favors the left. There is a reason the left has used it throughout its entire history. Jack, you want to read our ad?

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Blake Neff]

This, Jack, or we could go to one of the second topics. We could talk about what we want to do on day one. Of Doge. Or we could talk about Bitcoin hitting 100,000.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, my gosh, look at this. It's not a thought crime to not be sad when evil people are murdered. Oh, my gosh, look at this. Look at this. I'm not defending a murder, but this. This is like a. This is like a revolt in the chat. You know, the chat's like, rising up.

[Blake Neff]

Against us, and it's thought crime versus the thought chat. Oh, man, I've got.

[Jack Posobiec]

People are great.

[Blake Neff]

People are sharing their stories, which I don't want to discount any of those things. You know, saying insurance refuses. Texas Cat 117, he's saying insurance refused. $3,000 of anesthesia on his knee. I refused after paying $20,000 in premium and deductible. It's a scam or a crime. And I think, you know, big picture, what you can say is it's definitely worrisome whenever you have a system that is making a lot of people defend violent murders. And it's sort of. It's what Tucker would say on his show. He would talk a lot about in his book Ship of Fools, he would say, you have, you know, as a leader, you have a responsibility to not let the system go until it sparks a revolution. And so we've very much set our piece on that. Murder is bad, but you definitely have to think it is a red flag if there are all these people online who are celebrating it or defending it or justifying it or at least indifferent to it. For me, this goes back to. I was talking to Matthew before. He had never heard of Occupy Wall Street. Jack.

[Matthew Martinez]

I had to look it up.

[Blake Neff]

He had to look up what Occupy Wall street was.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just never heard of it.

[Matthew Martinez]

Now, I was in elementary school, when.

[Blake Neff]

Elementary school, I didn't watch the news.

[Jack Posobiec]

I always do this when someone says, though, have you heard of Star Wars?

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah, of course. All right, I see where you go.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay. And how old were you when Star wars came out?

[Matthew Martinez]

I wasn't even. I wasn't born. Wasn't born.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, that's not actually an art. Okay, go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

But, yeah, so, yeah, so, you know, you do have. This is what I. This. So the thing about Occupy Wall street was it was very cringe. It was very bad. It actually was a proto element for so many very annoying things in what would be the politics of the 2010s. But it was also just an ominous sign generally for America that you have this level of populist anger against a relative engine of American prosperity. And similar to that, the anger at the American health insurance system is not just. It'd be one thing if it was just a threat to the healthcare system, which is frankly, mostly bad, I think. But I think it's the sort of thing that if it. If it's not ultimately solved, it will be what justifies just abolishing everything that makes America successful. Like healthcare is their Trojan horse to just say, we're going to do socialism on the entire economy, we're going to do leveling on the entire economy. We're going to go full Bernie Sanders, full aoc, full Green New Deal. And the justification is going to be that your health insurance company sometimes, you know, screwed you on fees. And it does. There is this nihilist impulse that we. That we do have to worry about.

[Matthew Martinez]

So what was the goal of the Occupy walk?

[Blake Neff]

That's a good question. We never found out really. That was part of the gimmick of it was they showed up in Walt. This was. They'd say. They would say, what is our 1 demand? And they didn't know. The idea was they would gather in their sort of populist commune in Zuccotti park and then they would decide what their 1 demand would be. And they didn't get around to figuring it out before they sent in the police and cleared them out. It was all a very entertaining spectacle, which I remember because I was in college when it happened and you were in third grade or something somewhere around there. Yeah, you know, I was in. Oh, you were in fifth grade. I was in fifth grade when 911 happened. I noticed 9 11. I'm just, just.

[Matthew Martinez]

I'm just saying, you know, that's what separates.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'll tell you one, though, I was so obviously a little bit older than that, but I was alive for the LA riots. And I would have been, I guess, in second or third grade. And I didn't know anything about them until now. Keep in mind, this is pre Internet era, so it was hard to kind of like know about history unless you had books or listen to conservative talk radio. This is why, by the way, the conservative talk radio was so subversive, because they would just simply bring up things that you wouldn't hear anywhere else. And we still have that. But it's way more prevalent because of social media that back at the time, you know, there were no alternative forms of media that you would ever hear any of this stuff. And pre Internet, it was very hard. So I had never heard of the LA riots until I was like in college, I want to say until. Yeah, it was definitely until I was in college that I heard about it, and I was like, I can't believe this all happened when I was a kid. And I had no idea that it even took place.

[Blake Neff]

Let's see, have the masses yelled at us further.

[Jack Posobiec]

So do people understand what we're saying? Do people understand what we're saying is we agree, we totally agree that there are actual issues with the healthcare system that's vetting the healthcare system. I'm not defending rich people. I'm not defending any of those things necessarily. But I am, number one, saying that you can't just hate someone for being rich. And number two, I'm also saying that you can't just live. You can't just live in a society where you go in to wanton mass murder like this, of people who are in cold blood, because that is the path to absolute societal destruction. It is absolute societal destruction to continue down one of these paths. Spanish Civil War. In the Spanish Civil War, when the revolutionaries got power, they killed 10% of the clergy. 10% of the priests and nuns in the entire country of Spain were murdered in the Spanish Civil War when the communists took over. So again, guys, this is where that stuff goes. It's Bolshevism, it's Chairman Mao, it's the Red Guards. And this is what they do. This was the metronome in our book. This is what they do. They find someone who is an unsympathetic target and they say, we're just gonna go after them. We're just gonna do this. But again, we're not gonna use prosecution, we're not gonna use FBI. By the way, Blake and Matthew, how funny is it. How ironic is it that the same people who say, oh, well, we can't let Cash Patel conduct an investigation into people who have committed government wrongdoing, but it's totally fine to just go and murder somebody on the street?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, yeah, that's very much a real thing. The same people who will attack any, like, organized use of justice that might be reasonable, that might be under control, are the ones. They will celebrate any unhinged form of violence, a chaotic form of violence, like the left is fundamentally the party of entropy. They are. They benefit from chaos. That. That's why 2020 worked the way it did, that you would just start tearing away elements of civilization and let people just go. Maximal, primal, destructive urges. And then they torch Minneapolis, they torch D.C. they torch America itself.

[Matthew Martinez]

This is right from the prince. Yeah. Machiavelli writes, in order for you to. To be the prince or the ruler you need to first burn the farms and then be the hero of the farms. This is exactly what we're seeing on the ground. We're seeing these. And you saw this. The BLM riots. You saw this with even the LA riots, right? I know that was before me, but I did do my research. Right. That's where we get the. Going back to the Korean side.

[Blake Neff]

You heard of the riots?

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah, I have, I have.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, we're being careful.

[Matthew Martinez]

I read a couple of.

[Blake Neff]

This guy helped us win the election. And did you know we had elections?

[Matthew Martinez]

You're telling me now for the very first time. Right. But going back to Machiavelli, he writes this, Right. And we saw this in Minneapolis. You mentioned this, right, where they started rioting, they burned down their cities. And it just so happened that the social justice warriors of the BLM movement were also the heroes in that situation. This is straight from their playbook. This happens time after time. But we have to be aware. I mean, this goes back to George. Sorry, go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

We have a guy in the comments, Mel. 6000, 591. Says he was there at the Watts riots. Wow, Watts, man, that. One, that's a historically important riot. And two, remember, that was a while ago. God bless you.

[Jack Posobiec]

The peaceful lake. The peaceful 60s. Right. The peaceful. The non violent, peaceful, nonviolent movement of the 1960s. And you say, what about all this violence? No, no, no, no, no. That violence is separate. Those riots, Watts riots, or the Newark riots where they had snipers on the roof shooting people at random. I mean, for people who think that it's okay to condone something like this, I'm just going to say, you know, again and again, this is. It leads to again. We wrote a whole book about it. You know, it's Christmas time, so. Yeah, you know, onhumansbook.com, go check it out. Go read the book. And you will see, you will see that any time. Look at this. Oh, look at that. You're defending greed. You are defending greed, right? No, we're actually opposing murder and we're opposing chaos and we're opposing communism. It's possible to pose greed without just murdering people wantonly in the streets, as it turns out. In fact, I don't recall any time where Jesus, it called for us to just go and rise up and start murdering people for being greedy. In fact, no, he requires us to go and try to pray for them, to try to work on them, to convert them, to get them, to see the error of their ways. Yeah. Maybe drive them out of the temple or something like that. But you'd be hard pressed to find any example of Jesus Christ condoning murder in the New Testament. It is simply, again, it's just completely un Christian. It is. It is, in fact, the antithesis of Christianity.

[Blake Neff]

Amen. Amen. Do we have anything else we want to say on this? Do we want to go around the horn on Doge or on Bitcoin? I think we have 12 minutes left before Jack has to evacuate by helicopter.

[Jack Posobiec]

I do, yeah.

[Blake Neff]

What do you prefer, Jack? You get to pick. Or you can pick something entirely unrelated. Or we can just keep. We can just keep arguing with the thought Crime chat.

[Jack Posobiec]

I love this. The chat's going, man. The chat is going. Look at this. Read about the French Revolution, the murder of the Hawkeye 102. Read about the French Revolution murder of aristocrats, some of them for themselves was conducted gleefully. Yeah, Blake, you know, that's for anyone who wants to read more. The book is unhumans. Or you could go, Blake and I did whole podcast series on this right around this time last year regarding. And we had a whole episode on the French Revolution and it was horrific. The French Revolution and the reign of Terror of Robespierre, when the, when the Jacobin Club basically took power of the state, there didn't. It didn't end with King Louis and Marie Antoinette. Remember, by the way, Marie Antoinette was murdered simply for being married to the king and he was killed for the crime of being the king. They decided that to be the king was a betrayal of the French people. And therefore he was murdered for being the king. And she was murdered for participating in that by being married to the king. And know the quote about let them eat cake was never actually uttered by her. It was uttered by her opponents. And this kept going and the guillotine kept swinging down until the very last one was the nun, the Sisters of Copenhagen, this group of, I think, 12 nuns who lived in a cloister who refused to renounce their vows and even they were executed right in the center of Paris, where, by the way, President Trump is going to be traveling this weekend. That's another example of the French Revolution, by the way, because the Notre Dame Cathedral was, yeah, we know it was burned in 2019, but did you know that it was also raised during the French revolution? And the 12 statues on the facade of it, the 12 Kings of Israel, were smashed by the revolutionaries. The stained glass windows, many of them were smashed as well. And in fact, the temp or the cathedral itself was deconsecrated and it was turned into a temple of reason by the cult of reason, this sort of atheist science based ideology. But I, you know, that doesn't. Doesn't sound like anything that's going on anywhere today, right, guys?

[Blake Neff]

Jack, we have a very important counterpoint that was brought up by someone in the chat, individual thinker mentions why is it illegal to fly over North Pole or to go to Antarctica? What do you have to say to that, Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, I'm just going to say if there's any Santa deniers that want to step to me in the next 20 days, you're going to get the horns. Right. There will be no Santa denial going on. It is illegal to fly over the North Pole specifically and Antarctica, which of course is part of his flight route, because you would be disrupting Santa Claus and his North Pole Christmas time operations. And if you were to do so, then in that case I would support prosecution. Absolutely. And incarceration.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, people, people, Attorney, you know, younger people that they are denying Santa over there. Are they?

[Matthew Martinez]

There are a few, unfortunately.

[Blake Neff]

Wait, hold.

[Matthew Martinez]

There are a few.

[Blake Neff]

We need to talk to Tyler about this. This is a big problem.

[Jack Posobiec]

I brought this. This is actually a question that I've been asking candidates who come in through the transition process for the Trump administration. You know, what are your, what are your thoughts on Santa Claus and Santa deniers? Straight out the door. Straight out the door. And it's a great limits test. Just out. Get them all out.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, out the door. Out the, out the sleigh. Like they might.

[Matthew Martinez]

You know, I think buddy, the elf said it the best. The best way to spread the Christmas cheer is to sing out loud for all to hear.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, exactly. I actually only saw that movie for the first time recently.

[Matthew Martinez]

No way.

[Blake Neff]

But apparently that's like a big wait.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm the same way, actually. I saw it for the first time last year.

[Blake Neff]

It's. Is that the most recent Christmas movie? That's like a canonical Christmas movie.

[Matthew Martinez]

Do you think, do you like Home Alone to say the Home Alone.

[Blake Neff]

Home Alone is my personal favorite.

[Matthew Martinez]

Or Elf.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, Home is great.

[Blake Neff]

Home Alone is great. Home Alone is definitely better than Elf.

[Matthew Martinez]

Really?

[Blake Neff]

Elf is cute. But Home Alone has a lot of. Has a lot of emotional oomph to it.

[Matthew Martinez]

You got President Trump in, by the way.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way, my kids, My kids like Home Alone better too.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. The Wet Bandits would support CEO assassination. That. That's what our audience people are voting elf in the chat. I'm a little surprised. I think Home Alone's really good. I don't feel like. I don't feel like Elf has anything comparable to like Sean Hughes.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm sorry, no.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And like meeting, you know, meeting the dad who's estranged from his son in the church. I don't think Elf has anything quite like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way, Home Alone also is one of the last movies that you can see. Not maybe not last, but it certainly is towards the end of movies that were huge tentpole mainstream movies that feature scenes inside a church and nativity scenes. And these were just inserted into movies that were non religious movies. But the idea that a main character or there's a whole subplot. There's a whole subplot that revolves around the next door neighbor going to see his granddaughter who's estranged. Well, the son is estranged and he wants to go see her at the church and he goes there. And this is just something that's been totally excised from all of mainstream media, particularly Hollywood media. The idea of a character just going to church on a regular basis. And don't tell me for a second that that hasn't had an effect on the broader society because I absolutely believe that it has.

[Blake Neff]

Absolutely, absolutely. And John Hughes was just a great American, I think. He's not. He's not fully appreciated for that. Just being like an earnest pro American. Like all pro. All of the good things in America. You know, civic Christianity, patriotism. I will never forget how in Uncle Buck you can tell that Uncle Buck is a somewhat disreputable character because he comes home and he has a bag. That's for the Chicago Democratic Party. That's how, you know, not everything is quite right with him. Great guy. Recommend all of his movies, but yeah, Home Alone is my. Is probably my personal favorite. Obviously there's the old classics. You'll see people say Christmas Story a lot. I think I'm a bit over A Christmas Story. That might be because it's on 24 hours a day every Christmas and I love Christmas. That just gets really tedious after the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Third and the new one. They did a sequel to it. They did a sequel where Ralphie is grown up and he's the dad and then it's with his kids. And almost the entire cast returns. At least the surviving cast. And they actually, for movies like that, which are usually horrible, this one was actually pretty good.

[Blake Neff]

Does your generation still watch A Christmas Story?

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Okay.

[Matthew Martinez]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's a Christmas classic.

[Blake Neff]

I'm glad you weren't going. I've never heard of that one.

[Matthew Martinez]

No. My generation movie.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think it's so funny.

[Blake Neff]

Is there any, like, new Christmas movie that I'm. Is there something like this come out in the last 10 years?

[Matthew Martinez]

Young people, like, it's all secular, unfortunately. All the new Christmas movies. Right. But the classics at least have that, the Christ element to things they actually talk about. What, why we celebrate Christmas, the purpose of it.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, man. And just, just remember, guys, Polar Express. Polar Express.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is that Polar Express, like, kind of tried.

[Blake Neff]

That one was a little weird. That was.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm just. I'm looking at. I'm looking at Christmas movies now, actually, for anyone who's got kids or grandkids. There is a movie that came out. Yeah, I just found this for my kids a couple years ago. It is an animated film and it's called the Star. And the main character is the donkey from the actual Nativity story. So it's the donkey that Mary rides on to Bethlehem and it's this animated film of the Nativity story, but told from the perspective of the animals. And so it's like, it's kind of cool and it's great for little kids and it's just really well done. It's obviously full on Christian and it's. It's got a really randomly incredible cast. It's got like Kelly Clarkson, Keegan. Michael Key is in there from like Jordan Peele and who else? Zachary Levi is in there, who, by the way, just recently came out as a big Trump supporter. Chris Stanfordson is in there, Mariah Carey's in there, Tyler Perry, even Oprah is in there. So it's just Kristin Chenoweth from the original Wicked. It's so bizarre that this movie came out and is like unapologetically Christian and it has a really strong Hollywood cast and it's just a great movie.

[Blake Neff]

Now we have all of the people. Now we're going to end up closing this. We have all the people in the comments are saying that Die Hard is a Christmas movie. Did we debate this a week or two ago? I don't want to rehash it if we did.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. No, we mention it. And look, it's. I mean, it's very played out as a meme. Like, it's definitely, definitely a dead meme. It's, it's like very 2018. And honestly, it's like, it's just something that it's, it's. It's like, I don't know, like some people have found it recently and they're like, oh, yeah, it's so cool.

[Blake Neff]

It was funny like the first time someone said, like, actually Die Hard's a Christmas movie. Like, oh, it takes place on Christmas. But. But no, it is not. It is not a Christmas movie. It is a movie that takes place during Christmas.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's.

[Blake Neff]

It's really not important distinction. It is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is Batman Christmas movie.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Like it didn't come out during Christmas. It doesn't have important Christmas themes. It's just a movie where Christmas is occurring in the background. Like it's an exciting. That's. That's why there's a party at the building.

[Jack Posobiec]

That.

[Blake Neff]

That's the only reason for it. And then they play like, you know, let it snow at the end because it's funny.

[Jack Posobiec]

It could be. It could be at any other time of year and still be the same exact story. And therefore it is. It doesn't pass the Christmas.

[Blake Neff]

The Christmas related to that. Are we all taking part in Whammageddon this year? Whammageddon is where you try to go all of December without hearing the song Last Christmas by Wham. Which is a useful thing to do because Last Christmas isn't a Christmas song. You could just change this. Every use of the word Christmas in that song to Tuesday. It's just. You could just change the word Christmas to Tuesday and it would be the same song. Like last Tuesday I gave you my heart and the very next day you gave it away. Same thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

No Christmas themes, no Christmas. Christmas is definitely a Christmas. No, it's a Christmas song because number one, it has the word Christmas in there. And as a song, it is evoking the emotion of Christmas. Christmas is an incredibly emotional time. And so, you know, last Christmas I gave you, I gave you my heart for Christmas. That is the giving of gifts. Gift giving, of course, an important Christian tradition to celebrate the birth of Christ.

[Blake Neff]

Is it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I think it's the very next.

[Blake Neff]

Day they gave it away. Which means they gave it away on Boxing Day. Is it an anti Boxing Day?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, they were British, right? So wasn't George Michael's British? So I don't know if that's.

[Matthew Martinez]

Is he British? Canadian, Australian Boxing Days.

[Blake Neff]

Australian and British. British definitely has boxing.

[Matthew Martinez]

Canada too.

[Blake Neff]

I think all of the like limey countries have.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's like a common. Well, there you go.

[Matthew Martinez]

Then there is a line in here that says Happy Christmas.

[Blake Neff]

Happy Christmas.

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah, Happy Christmas. Not Merry Christmas, but Happy Christmas.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, that's definitely pretty ridiculous.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, so here's. So the one. The one interesting thing for me when it comes to the die hard debate is so, you know, I was getting way down the weeds on this A couple years ago. And I was saying, look, it's not central to plot and it has all, you know, it's just right there. It just happens to take place around Christmas. And then someone threw back at me, they said, well, what about the movie White Christmas then? Wouldn't the movie White Christmas also not actually fall into that as well? Because it has to do with a hotel and some World War excuse. Yes, World War II veterans and all of this. World War II versus a Korean War.

[Blake Neff]

What year was 50 to 53?

[Jack Posobiec]

50. Yeah, but it's when the movie was.

[Blake Neff]

Set that I don't know that I don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so anyway, point being is, is, you know, does that actually constitute a Christmas movie by that same test?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. You know, I know you have a heart out here, Jack. I want to just. Yeah, I just want to say Michael. Michael says, apparently the hip new Christmas movie is Violent Night, which is John Wick with Santa. And the theme is getting home. I haven't seen it.

[Matthew Martinez]

I haven't seen that either.

[Blake Neff]

I. I worry that after what we just said, it might be against the spirit of Christmas to watch and to watch a Christmas movie about that. But, yeah, there's a bunch of these.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, no, I do watch, like, I watch the new crop of Christmas movies every year. And just because there are popular Christmas movies that come out that don't necessarily make them, as you say, canonical Christmas movies, It's a Wonderful Life, like that that will be watched every year in my house. There's no question. It is in my mind by far the best Christmas movie and really, really strikes a heart of what we were talking about earlier. You know, by the way, I will also point out that in It's a Wonderful Life. Oh, here we go. Like, I just figured it out. This is how I'm going to tie together the whole thing. And It's a Wonderful Life. Well, why doesn't Jimmy Stewart, why doesn't George bailey just murder Mr. Potter? Why doesn't he just shoot him in the street? Why does he just take that wheelchair and push him off the bridge into the water? Wouldn't Clarence the Angel love that?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, right.

[Jack Posobiec]

So that's a good point, Jim. Would you want Billy to do that?

[Matthew Martinez]

He would be screwed.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I bet he exploited at least as many people as the United Healthcare allegedly possibly did. And I don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was the point of the movie that he was exploiting. And he was taking people's houses away and he was, you know, foreclosing and then he was turning them all. And then in by the way, in the dystopian version, of course, he turned the entire place into, what? Gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex. And in the dystopian version, I'll never forget this, that Mary, who I believe is, I guess, you know, in her life, like, 30s, right? If you understand. Blake, you know where I'm going with this. Mary is in her 30s in the dystopian version. And he says, where's Mary, Clarence? Where's Mary? Show me Mary. And he goes, no, George, you don't want to see that. She's closing up the library, George. She never married. She's a spinster. She's a spinster. She's a cat lady, George. She's an unmarried cat lady. No.

[Blake Neff]

And this is what causes him to psychologically break. Like his. His brother being dead didn't shatter him. His town looking like it's, you know, 2024. America didn't shatter him.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the ship that his brother saved in the war, all the sailors were killed.

[Blake Neff]

None of that mattered nearly as much as. As his wife becoming a captain, as.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mary being a captain at a library. And by the way, so in the 1940s, when that movie came out, everyone understood that there was something wrong with that, and that should not happen. Okay, now we're getting real trouble right now. But I will say that, J.D. vance, if you look at the exit polls, did you see that poll that was going around of pet owners? And it was like every single pet owner demographic went for Trump except for one. And which one was that?

[Blake Neff]

I think we know Jack. I think we know godless cat ladies.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which did. Did he say that in an interview with Charlie? I feel like it was. It was either Charlie or Tucker.

[Blake Neff]

I can't. I can't remember at this point. I think it was Charlie.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ah, classic.

[Blake Neff]

Good times. Good times. Do you have a heart out, Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

No. Well, I thought I was, but I can. I can do like 10 more minutes.

[Blake Neff]

Alrighty. Alrighty. Oh, this is great.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Loving this chat right now. People are. People are men with them with triples. The Life of Brian is not a. Someone saying Life of Brian is a Christmas movie. No, Life of Brian is not a Christmas life. O'Brien is hilarious. Life of Brian by Monty Python is amazing. I'm sure Matthew has no idea what that. Matthew, you know what Life of Brian is?

[Matthew Martinez]

Love is blind. I'm sorry, what?

[Blake Neff]

Life is Life of Brian. Have you heard of that? No, he hasn't heard of Life of Brian.

[Matthew Martinez]

When did that come out? I'll look it up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Before I was.

[Blake Neff]

Have you Heard of Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Okay, he's heard of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[Jack Posobiec]

So it's another Monty Python. It's about a. Yeah, exactly. Just lived a cloistered life, so a shelter childhood. So Life of Brian is a movie where this guy is born in a similar way to Jesus and in a similar place and time as Jesus, but is not actually Jesus and keeps getting accidentally mistaken for Jesus.

[Blake Neff]

Someone says the bet their favorite. Their favorite Christmas movie of the last 10 years is Fat man, starring Mel Gibson, which I have never heard of, but it does honestly look pretty remarkable. It is an unorthodox slant on holiday traditions that follows a jaded, gritty Santa Claus played by Mel Gibson, who struggles with ennui, production issues, government interference, and an embittered assassin sent by a vengeful, naughty child. The film received mixed reviews.

[Matthew Martinez]

I'm just seeing the COVID of this.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is by the Way is. By the way, is Gremlins a Christmas movie. Because he gets the Gremlins for. He gets Gizmo for Christmas.

[Blake Neff]

Does it otherwise have Christmas theme? Okay, I'll confess I've never seen Gremlins.

[Jack Posobiec]

But he. I mean, not. No, it doesn't. But it is the beginning of the movie that he get. He receives the first, you know, Gremlin as a. As a Christmas present.

[Blake Neff]

Someone says plane strains and automobiles. That is a Thanksgiving movie, as we discussed. That's, like, the only Thanksgiving movie ever made.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Other than that crappy slasher.

[Matthew Martinez]

What about Charlie Brown?

[Blake Neff]

That's not like a theatrical television special. It's totally different. There are a lot of television specials about Thanksgiving.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I know. So in the last 10 years, you either get the last 10 years or so of movies, you either get, like, a Hallmark kind of Christmas movie, or you get this, like, gritty kind of Christmas movie. By the way, I will say that I am unabashedly supportive of all Hallmark movies. I love Hallmark movies. I think they're fantastic. I think they're wonderful. I don't care that it's the same plot every time. That's not the point. The point is that's the world we're fighting for. That's the world that, you know. Imagine if you could just live in one of those worlds where all you had to worry about was, oh, the town Christmas party needs a fundraiser to save the old inn or something, and you've got this wonderful community where people join together. And then, you know, Sarah is back from the big city, and she's still single because she's Working so hard and then she meets the guy who runs the inn and they fall in love and off you go. And it's like, it's like that's the world we're fighting for. And that's why I like Hallmark.

[Blake Neff]

What's the better Hallmark movie where the man from Business city learns how to like, let go and reacquaint himself with rural life? Or the woman who's gone to the big city? Because we have both versions. Is it better when the woman learns to like, go small town life or when the guy is like, hooked by a cute girl next door type in the small town city to rule?

[Matthew Martinez]

I think that's the better story.

[Blake Neff]

But who should be going from which one has the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Which one has the character art?

[Matthew Martinez]

I think the guy. The guy going to the rural part, right? Because he. There's a sense of retaining all this masculinity kind of traits of helping out the city or the town. Carrying trees, right. Chopping down trees. I like that sense of movies bringing that back. I just don't like the soft.

[Jack Posobiec]

I like the ones I take the opposite route. I think it's the ones that are sort of. Most media out there promotes the girl boss lifestyle and promotes the Sex and the city lifestyle. And it's like the career woman, you got to do this and you've got to eschew childhood. And this is, by the way, where you get the childless cat ladies from. And instead you, you have these, these great Hallmark movies that come out every year that are like, hey, there's more to life than that and there's good things that you're passing up on. And you know, that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with that. But, but maybe, you know, maybe there, maybe Christmas means just a little bit.

[Blake Neff]

But does it maybe set up a misleading expectation where you could be a girl boss and then you just go on a vacation and like, whoops, swept off your feet and you still get your like, whirlwind romance. Whereas if it's the man in Business City having that happen, it is mostly women who watch these movies, then you are communicating really like this is actually what men find most desirable. Like these traits, like the, of the girl next door small town girl, you might be sending a more useful message to them. Whereas if it's the like girl boss un. Girl bossing, it might sort of fly over their head and they'll just think, wow, I can, I can hook this amazing small town guy after I've done my like, career stint in the big city.

[Jack Posobiec]

You can almost like the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey thing, right? Like Taylor Swift is like, oh, I dated all these guys and you know, I put off marriage, but I still ended up with, you know, super bowl champion.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. We have Thor. Thor Colonel says girl boss returns to her hometown to take care of her sick father and falls in love and leaves her career behind. Is 75% of Hallmark movies. Admittedly, I don't watch these movies. I love it. I hope they're actually like, you've seen.

[Matthew Martinez]

One, you don't need to see the others. They're all the same, just different.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, you do. Yes you do. Over and over and over. But by the way, they do have some that are actually kind of cool because they're like, you know, they go and film on location. So they go show you. Like, we just watched one the other. We actually literally, Tanya and I just watched one the other day where they were doing a river cruise down the Danube, which Blake, you would like that. And they go and visit like different cities and castles along the Danube. The only issue is that. So the guy of course is like a, you know, secretly a prince, of course. But it's like a fake country, you know, that's sort of like a, it's sort of like a stand in for like Lichtenstock. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, now we're gonna have work, Mr. Mr. The cause of all the problems in Europe for the last 150 years. Okay, okay. No, it's, it's, it. No, those are cool. And ah, someone just, someone just put it out in the chat. Royal holiday. That's right. It's royal holiday. That's what it was.

[Blake Neff]

One royal holiday. The Netflix like Christmas prince was really funny because they have like, it takes place in like an entire Christmas themed country called like Aldovia. Look at this, look at that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look. Thor Colonel is with me. I'm with Jack on this. When I was caring for my grandma in hospice, she left it on Hallmark and all the movies were low key grade. Yeah, they are.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because. Because what it is is like, yeah, that's tame. I get it. But it's like there's so much garbage out there anymore that like you just turn on a Hallmark movie and you're like, oh, yeah, this is what life used to be like. Hey, I'm hitting my heart out, guys. So I do have to, I do have to cut it short here. You guys can feel free to keep going, but I do have to bounce.

[Blake Neff]

No, I think we can just head it out. Close it out now. But thanks. For coming on.

[Matthew Martinez]

Thank you.

[Blake Neff]

We were short handed and we'll see, everyone.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is a fun episode. Do you have social? Matthew, do you have social?

[Matthew Martinez]

Yeah, I do.

[Jack Posobiec]

I was going to say you have a social media for people to go by.

[Matthew Martinez]

I do. It's. It's universally on all platforms. MC Martinez. MC Martinez. AZ as in Arizona. And I also just downloaded Blue sky, so you'll see me start ripping. I'm posting like a lot of Republican stuff on there. I want to see how long I can stay on Blue sky without being kicked off.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, say I give it another one. By the way, guys, Matthew did a ton of work with Turning Point Action. He really did. I remember going to visit over there when Tyler was, you know, just kind of cracking the whip and he was like, matthew, get back to work. Get back to the whiteboards. The whiteboards need updating. You were like, tyler, please let me eat, please. It's been days. And he's like, no, no. But, no, you did an incredible job over there and crunching all the numbers. And I know we weren't really doing. You know, we'll have to do like a separate episode where we kind of like explain all of that.

[Matthew Martinez]

Sure. Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jack.

[Blake Neff]

Got the song on?

[Jack Posobiec]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarlykirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Blake Neff]

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