THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 67 — Saved By The Bell and the H-1B Debate

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show: Episode 67 — THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 67 — Saved By The Bell and the H-1B Debate

Release Date: December 28, 2024

In the 67th episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk engages with his guests Blake and Jack Posobiec to explore the intersections of popular culture, immigration policy, and their broader implications on American society. The episode delves into the critique of the H-1B visa program, the cultural significance of the iconic TV show Saved by the Bell, and the ongoing debate surrounding meritocracy and diversity initiatives in the United States.

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1. Introduction and Opening Remarks

Charlie Kirk sets the stage by welcoming his guests and briefly referencing the show's sponsors and affiliations. He introduces the main topics of discussion, highlighting Charlie's role in grassroots activism and the Influence of Turning Point USA.

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2. College Football Playoff Discussion

Timestamp: 02:04 - 05:12

The conversation begins with an analysis of the College Football Playoff system, specifically criticizing the challenging path faced by the number one seed, Oregon. Blake expresses frustration over the seeding and the pressure associated with playing in high-stakes venues like the Rose Bowl. Charlie and Blake discuss how the current playoff structure may be rigged to favor certain teams, leading to unfair advantages and increased pressure on top-seeded teams.

Notable Quote:

• Charlie Kirk (02:08): "We are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here."

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3. Saved by the Bell and Vivek Ramaswamy's Critique

Timestamp: 06:09 - 19:26

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Vivek Ramaswamy's controversial tweet criticizing Saved by the Bell. Ramaswamy argues that the show promotes mediocrity by favoring popular archetypes (jocks and preppies) over academically inclined characters like Screech. This critique sparks a heated debate among the hosts about the cultural impact of such portrayals.

Jack Posobiec clarifies that Ramaswamy's tweet, while not intended to be anti-white culture, taps into deeper resentments and cultural shifts that many Gen X and older millennials feel. The hosts discuss how Saved by the Bell represents a nostalgic yearning for a perceived 'simpler' American high school experience, free from the complexities of modern diversity and immigration debates.

Notable Quote:

• Jack Posobiec (12:25): "It's America before it became whatever we are now. And so attacking this, not only did it shift the, I think the current of the argument, but it just really hit on a nerve for a lot of people who are like, wait a minute, this was a beloved TV show."

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4. The H-1B Visa Debate

Timestamp: 06:09 - 44:18

The discussion transitions to the H-1B visa program, with Jack asserting a strong stance against expanding H-1B visas. He argues that the program often undermines American labor by allowing companies to hire cheaper foreign workers, which displaces qualified American professionals in STEM fields. Tyler adds that the H-1B system inflates grades and perpetuates discrimination against groups like East Asians and white males in both education and employment.

Blake expands on this by highlighting how multinational corporations have altered the cultural and economic landscapes of American cities, using an unnamed Arizona company as an example. He emphasizes that the influx of H-1B workers can lead to job displacement, cultural dilution, and political shifts in local communities.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler (26:09): "If you want America to get the most out of its people, we should encourage our companies to get the most out of Americans."
• Jack Posobiec (31:00): "This is like quote unquote, what Joy Reid would call white America and say, oh, we're against all of this. And it's like, guys, this is just the type of stuff that we're trying to get back to in a place where..."

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5. DEI, Meritocracy, and Cultural Impacts

Timestamp: 22:12 - 44:15

The hosts delve into the detrimental effects of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives on meritocracy in American institutions. Tyler criticizes how DEI policies lead to grade inflation and undermine standardized testing, ultimately disadvantaging merit-based hiring and admissions. Blake connects this to broader cultural issues, suggesting that DEI and H-1B policies contribute to societal fragmentation and the erosion of traditional American values.

They argue that these policies not only impact the job market but also influence cultural norms and familial structures, leading to increased social displacement and mental health issues among young Americans. The conversation underscores a belief that prioritizing merit and American talent can revitalize both the economy and societal cohesion.

Notable Quotes:

• Blake (36:36): "Arizona is in the place where it's in today. And that's not because of the foreigners that are voting in our elections..."
• Tyler (42:03): "DEI agenda... is saying we need race based school admissions, we need race based hiring..."

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6. Concluding Thoughts and Future Outlook

Timestamp: 44:18 - End

As the episode nears its end, Charlie Kirk encourages his guests to summarize their viewpoints. Tyler emphasizes the need for a "meritocratic revolution" to reclaim American talent and culture from what he perceives as harmful diversity policies. Blake reiterates the importance of prioritizing American workers and reviving traditional cultural values to ensure long-term societal stability and economic prosperity.

The hosts conclude with lighter banter about college football and well-wishes for the New Year, reinforcing solidarity among their conservative base.

Notable Quote:

• Tyler (44:18): "We need more of that college football. We need crazy people willing to kick on site kicks before halftime."

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7. Key Insights and Conclusions

• Cultural Nostalgia vs. Modern Diversity: The debate highlights a tension between nostalgic views of American culture, epitomized by shows like Saved by the Bell, and contemporary diversity and immigration policies.

• H-1B Visa Program Critique: The hosts argue that the H-1B visa program undermines American workers by allowing companies to prioritize foreign labor over domestic talent, leading to job displacement and cultural shifts.

• Meritocracy Undermined by DEI: There is a strong belief among the hosts that DEI initiatives and related policies degrade meritocracy in educational and professional settings, resulting in grade inflation and unfair hiring practices.

• Societal and Economic Impacts: The discussion extends to the broader societal consequences of these policies, including cultural dilution, political shifts in communities, and the mental health of young Americans.

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8. Notable Quotes

• Charlie Kirk (02:08): "We are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here."

• Jack Posobiec (12:25): "It's America before it became whatever we are now. And so attacking this, not only did it shift the, I think the current of the argument, but it just really hit on a nerve for a lot of people who are like, wait a minute, this was a beloved TV show."

• Tyler (26:09): "If you want America to get the most out of its people, we should encourage our companies to get the most out of Americans."

• Jack Posobiec (31:00): "This is like quote unquote, what Joy Reid would call white America and say, oh, we're against all of this. And it's like, guys, this is just the type of stuff that we're trying to get back to..."

• Blake (36:36): "Arizona is in the place where it's in today. And that's not because of the foreigners that are voting in our elections..."

• Tyler (42:03): "DEI agenda... is saying we need race based school admissions, we need race based hiring..."

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This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show presents a critical examination of how modern immigration and diversity policies intersect with cultural nostalgia and meritocracy in American society. Through engaging discussions and pointed critiques, the hosts advocate for policies that prioritize American talent and traditional values to address what they perceive as the root causes of current societal challenges.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. The mass migration debate with Jack Posobic and the gang. It is thought crime. You can listen to this live Every week on rumble.com download the rumble app. R U M B L E.com rumble.com youm can email me directly and communicate. Freedomarliekirk.com Become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charlieKirk.com get involved with TurningPoint USA at tpusa.com TurningPoint USA is the most important organization in the country. Tpusa.com that is tpusa.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Blake]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Tyler]

I want you to know we are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie.

[Blake]

He's an incredible guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we, we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show. A company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold [e-mail] that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com okay, everybody. It is thought crime. It's not Thursday. It's just a floating day here. By the way, before we get to Saved by the Bell, we have Blake who is an undisclosed location in South Dakota. Am I right that I guess the state. Right.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You are right, Charlie. We are in. We are in furthest South Dakota. And no one will find me from there because it's a big state. We very few people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Did you see the sun today?

[Tyler]

Maybe.

[Blake]

Well, you look like you've seen some sun. I was going to say you look. You're looking very tan.

[Charlie Kirk]

Great to see you. I don't know where Jack is.

[Blake]

He was just on. He's.

[Charlie Kirk]

In the meantime, can we talk about Tyler? By the way, Tyler's huge ASU fan. I totally support. I have nothing against asu. I'm cheering for ASU big time. By the way, they are the first game on New Year's Day. Blake, no eye rolling or interrupting, okay? We're going to have real men conversation here about college football. How screwed up is the College Football Playoff this year that Oregon has the hardest path despite being the number one seed?

[Blake]

So I'm torn because I love the College Football Playoff because for guys like us, love, love it because.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it's been a total failure so far.

[Blake]

ASU could, could not be in this position. Right. With a bye if it wasn't for all this. But I totally agree. I think the seeding for the 12 is so. So I like the expanded 12 team playoff. I like the general consensus of like, you take basically the four champions, the top rated. Like, I even think the buy schedule is kind of okay. Where it's like, usually it's going to be the four big four that get the buy, but Oregon is getting totally shafted.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's terrible. So if Oregon.

[Blake]

Oregon has the hardest, the number one team.

[Charlie Kirk]

So they have to play a team they've already beat in the Rose bowl in the hardest.

[Blake]

The venue, the Rose bowl, you could argue is the most difficult, most pressure.

[Charlie Kirk]

A lot of pressure. I agree. There's. It's not like loud. It's just like it's playing in a Super Bowl.

[Blake]

Well, the Rose bowl people are very happy because it may not have worked out that a Big Ten because they were going to try to honor a Big Ten team.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is all rigged. They did this to try to get ratings on New Year's Day.

[Blake]

Totally. So they're taking a former Pack team against a Big Ten team.

[Charlie Kirk]

So now it's two Big Ten teams in the Rose Bowl.

[Blake]

Like, this is what they wanted. And this is going to be the biggest pressure.

[Charlie Kirk]

If Oregon were to be successful, they go to Dallas to probably play Texas.

[Blake]

But maybe asu, ASU or Texas, they would get very.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you're going to the ASU game, right?

[Blake]

I'm going to Atlanta.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's hilarious.

[Blake]

Oh, it's front row seats on the Texas side. I bought them before we even knew they were cheap over on that side. So my whole family is front row. We've got eight flags. Oh, we're hanging over there.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're going to get on tv.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah. Because we're in the TV shot because it's on the side.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think that's great. And then Texas is 13 and a half point favorites on New Year's Day.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah. Which could happen.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it could happen. And so. But Arizona State will give it its best thing. So therefore scatter.

[Blake]

Boo.

[Charlie Kirk]

So get this. If Oregon wins, they advance to the Cotton bowl to then play Texas in Dallas.

[Blake]

So they played the toughest first round by game.

[Charlie Kirk]

Despite being the number one seed.

[Blake]

Despite being number one seed. Because Ohio State is arguably one of the best teams who they've already beaten. Yeah, Ohio State may be like the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Third best team in America, by the way. They might beat Oregon. Like, just be clear, they might be.

[Blake]

The second best team.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think they're the second best team in the country. They might beat Oregon. Like, no doubt.

[Blake]

It's like right in there. And then they're going to have to play like on fire Texas. In Dallas.

[Charlie Kirk]

In Dallas. In Jerry Stadium, which I will go.

[Blake]

To, which is going to be like 90% Texas fans.

[Charlie Kirk]

90%. And if they are lucky enough to win that game, they go to Atlanta to likely play Georgia. Georgia. In Atlanta.

[Blake]

In Atlanta.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is what the number one seed gets you. Does anyone else think this is pathologically insane?

[Blake]

Well, this is why with nil, it's like. And with the new playoff, like, you actually are at a disadvantage now being a team. You used to be an advantage being a team like Oregon in a small town. Yes, like Eugene, because you dominated. You didn't have competition, so you just got all the money. Now with nil, now it's shifted. So not only are you having to compete in a small town with big town people, with big town donors, but then you have big town fans that show up to these big town games. You, you're never going to have a game in or in Portland. You're never going have a game in Watt, in Seattle, like Oregon.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's a really smart point. So as far as a fan base.

[Blake]

We'Re cooked by the long term.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who's in the Fiesta bowl this year? Oh, it's Penn State. Boise State.

[Blake]

Penn State. Boise State.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was, I was ticked off that ASU didn't get slotted in the Fiesta Bowl.

[Blake]

Well, think about how great that would have been for us.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it would have been unavoidable.

[Blake]

It would have been us versus boys or versus Penn State.

[Charlie Kirk]

So in some ways you wish, you know, they would have been rearranged anyway. All screwed up, needless to say. Jack, should we have more H1B visas in this country?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, absolutely not.

[Blake]

The two most important things happening on the planet.

[Jack Posobiec]

Net zero.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, zero.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or at least net zero.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, Jack, for the audience that was enjoying their loved ones not staring at Twitter all day long, what happened? Did we experience Maga Chernobyl?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, we experienced a Maga dust up, but Maga Chernobyl is ridiculous. That sounds like something that some George Soros operative would want to put out into the ether to try to give the Democrats some glimmer of hope that this country's possibly interested in coming back towards them again. News flash. No, there was no MAGA Chernobyl, and no, the country is totally over all you the wokerati and the wokeness that got us into the situation that we're currently in. But what happened was, was a probably a predictable and generally, I think, forthcoming argument and debate between members of, shall we say, the tech right and members of the MAGA base as pertains to the level of immigration, particularly we're talking about legal immigration now to the United States, as pertains, interestingly enough, directly to the tech right. So do people remember that, that when, when Trump went on the all in podcast a couple of months ago, it was during the campaign and at the very end of it, he said, oh, well, you know, I think that when a graduate comes out of high school, we should staple a green card on the back of that diploma and then put them into college, et cetera. And I mean, you just saw people from War Room and Steve Bannon at the time completely, completely pushed back on that. And I believe Caroline Levitt had said something about like, oh, he was just making a suggestion and, you know, kind of never went anywhere from that. Well, we have another dust up around the very same issue of H1BS wanting to come in, or really tech CEOs wanting H1BS to come in because they're incredibly cheap, they undercut American labor, they undercut American tech workers, American STEM, etc. Etc. And then, you know, people are going back and forth with Elon, Mike Cernovich got involved, and then Vivek Ramaswamy put out a post saying that it's not actually economically based, that it is, in fact culturally based, and essentially that American culture is wrong. And since the 1990s, it has been wrong for favoring essentially entertainment and fun and life and, you know, kind of jocular culture and athletics and charisma over, like, I don't know, spelling bees and math studies. And he made some really, you know, just, just, I wouldn't say obscure, but really pointed and plucked out. 90s and a little bit of early 2000s TV and movie references like the film Whiplash, which is like, by the way, it's a film about child abuse, if anyone hasn't actually seen it, in regards to a kid who's at a school that's kind of like Juilliard. I've seen it, by the way, but then also talked about Friends, Boy Meets World and Saved by The Bell and essentially offered those as, as, as things that we should not emulate. And, you know, see here, more math tutoring, more sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, Fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less tv. More creating, less chillin. More extracurriculars, by the way, less chillin from the guy who can sing Eminem verbatim. Those. More. Most normal Americans look skeptically at, quote, those kinds of parents. More normal American kids watch those kinds of kids with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you achieve. Now close your eyes and visualize the families, you know, in the 90s or even now, who raised their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest. Yeah, I mean, so, so, so a.

[Charlie Kirk]

Couple things I need you to educate me on on Saved by the Bell, because I, I, I. Blake, how old are you again?

[Tyler]

I am 34 years old.

[Charlie Kirk]

And Jack, you're like 36, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

80,000.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're 80,000 years old.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, I am.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you not, do you not share your age? Is this some sort of woman thing? I'm, like, actually curious.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, no, I'm 40.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, you're 40. Tyler's right on the.

[Blake]

I'm on the bubble. I'm younger than Jack.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is not some sort of trick. I'm just saying I am. I'm 31. So the saved by the Bell thing, you missed it. And, like, you guys were kind of teasing me. It's legitimately wasn't my thing. So I need you to educate me on it. But let me just first to say to teen comedy. No, no, it's great. No, I'm not even criticizing, because we had our own stuff. We had Full House. Right? We had. I don't know if Full House was as much in your guys's demo, but we had Full House. We had even Stevens. Right? We had that. So, Raven, even Stevens is. Yeah. So that was my, like, strike Zone beans. But what I think Vivek was trying to say, which if I was advising him, I would have not sent that tweet. And, Jack, this is where I want you to go into explaining, say by the Bell, is that it could be read. And I don't think he meant it this way as he was crapping on people's beloved culture and country, especially the Gen X generation that wants America to get back to that reference point. Is that fair to say, Jack? Because the Gen X kind of the roar was the undercurrent of maga. Gen X was the most pro maga demographic this election cycle, and they look at that. America's like, no, that's actually what we want to get back to. Don't crap on that, Jack. Respond to that. And also explain what is Saved by the Bell and the cultural significance.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, you're, you know, you're generally accurate. So I think Vivek, JD and myself are all pretty much like within a couple of months of each other. So it. This is actually that really sweet spot of like, late 80s, early 90s. So it's technically like most Gen Xers probably didn't watch Saved by the Bell because it would have been considered too young for them, but. But also, you know, older than. Than yourself.

[Blake]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it really is that sweet spot. I call it Centennials. I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole. But essentially what you're saying, Charlie, is correct, is that it is not just the. And by the way, Mario Lopez, of course, is still, you know, pretty. Pretty much a mainstay of daytime tv. Somehow he still looks the exact same age. Got it, Got it. We all got to find his doctor. Right? And the. There. There is an aesthetic element here as well, because this is. It's not quite the 1980s. So Gen X would be more like John Hughes, which is something that got referenced earlier on War Room Today by, by Gavin Wax and by the way, John Hughes movies from the, like, 16 candles, like breakfast Club, like, these were all Home Alone. These are all movies that myself guys like, Still Boneless and others were making memes of in 2024 to describe the America that we were trying to return to. And so Saved by the Bell, yeah, it. It definitely kind of fits in that canon because it's America before it became whatever we are now. And so attacking this, not only did it. Did it shift the, I think the current of the argument, but it just really hit on a nerve for a lot of people who are like, wait a minute, this was a beloved TV show. And yeah, you know, Screech was the comedic relief or the Stephen Urkel character in Family Matters, I think they mentioned. But nobody hated Screech, right? Nobody. Like, like, he. He was always portrayed as a character that, like, was a member of the Friends. And, you know, even though he was kind of always getting into trouble, that, you know, people would always treat him with respect. And, you know, a lot of the episodes were like, hey, how do we help Screech out of a jam kind of thing. There was never like a, you know, this is the guy we pick on and hate. It was never like that at all. And, and I, I don't really think there were any of that, you know, those types of things in the 90s, even in the 80s with John Hughes movies. So there's anyway, there's this whole undercurrent of maga is like turning America back into this. And it felt like that was get what was getting attacked.

[Blake]

Well, well. And the history here too is like, I mean, there's so much sacred here. And Saved by the Ball because you, you, you encapsulated correctly, which is like it's tail and Gen X older millennials. So the old, the oldest millennials were the early 80s born millennials. Those are the ones that guarded Saved by the Bell like it's their life. All of us really, throughout our entire lives here at high school, modeled our lives basically after Saved by the Bell.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that right? It was that big of a deal?

[Blake]

Oh, that big of a deal. And our first grind, we were saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

In the chat, huge, huge premise of the movie. Well, of the movie, the TV show, it's.

[Blake]

It's slapstick. It actually started as a show called Good Morning Miss Bliss, which was Good Morning Miss. Started early in junior high. So you actually followed the character Zach as he kind of built this friend group throughout high school and it was the entire element of his entire high school. So you actually have an entire fake built high school culture that's an American, a centered American 90s high school culture that basically for over a decade, every American modeled themselves after your first crush. It wasn't Jennifer Aniston and friends. It was Kelly Kapowski in Saved by the Bell. Your friend that you knew.

[Jack Posobiec]

Kelly Kapowski. Let's go.

[Blake]

And by the way, Tiffany, Amber Thiessen, who has actually connection to Arizona, great person, great family. They're trying to raise their family the right way. Great example. But you have Zach, who's the guy, and then you have the jock, and then you have Screech, rest in peace, who's now dead. Which by the way, is also an element of this is like, how dare you incite the name of Screech who's dead? But everybody basically modeled their friend group. Friend groups, I would argue, in America became friend groups modeled after Saved by the Bell.

[Charlie Kirk]

Keep on educating me, guys. So what would be the cultural ethos? And Jack, let's connect to the H1B debate. What did Vivek say again? Vivek is a dear friend. I'm dialoguing with him right now as I'm doing this, kind of giving him my. And you guys know that I've been giving him fair and honest feedback on this. And he's. He's great. What did Vivek say in his tweet about Saved by the Bell? And why do you think that was a miscategorization? Blake? Jack. Whom?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I mean, I think it was a miscategorization. Big.

[Charlie Kirk]

What did he say first? Please start with the start.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, so he said that and. Well, prefacing that to explain why. What he said is. Is that he essentially was saying that we idolize or emulate the. So the two main characters are Slater and Zach. And, you know, Zach is sort of like the preppy. You know, the preppy collared shirt, pop collar, you know, cool kid, whereas A.C. slater is your typical athletic jock and he's on the wrestling team, etc. Whereas Screech is your geek. I mean, these are all archetypes. And, you know, the John Hughes Breakfast Club kind of plays into that as well. And then. But what Vivek was saying was that essentially he didn't view this as a. As a play on just a group of friends. And, hey, these are a bunch of different identities. He was saying that we are venerating, you know, the jock and the preppy cool kid over the, you know, the sort of nerdy, geeky character of Screech. And, I mean, I've never viewed Saved by the Bell that way, to be honest. I don't. I don't know that we. You know, And. And the. On the above hand, he says here, a culture that celebrates the qualm, the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. And so, I mean, I could go on about this, but, you know, I. I would also say that, you know, that really is American culture in a lot of ways.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, Neil Armstrong is perfect. Yeah. Let me just get to the nerd here. So, Blake, what do you make of this? Because, Blake, you're. You're the smartest person. That's why I had to interject.

[Jack Posobiec]

I was gonna be nice about it.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, no, no. Blake knows. I introduced him as the smartest person I know. He went to Dartmouth. No, no, seriously. I mean, but, like, what do you make of this? Because do you err on the side that, you know, we should. The. The spelling bee champion should get Pamela Anderson or. I mean, where do you stay on.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

On this whole.

[Tyler]

Definitely is. So first of all, I have to say I can't say too much about Saved by the Bell. I'm in that perfect age range where I Remember Saved by the Bell as it aired after Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, which is what I was watching when I was 4 years old, of course.

[Blake]

Wait, you saw. You saw Saved by the Bell? The new class? That. That. That's a totally different thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, the new class is totally. It did also have Screech, though.

[Blake]

Yeah, it did, but you're talking about something totally different.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sorry.

[Tyler]

Anyway, you know, I. I guess I don't remember. I just remember the voice that was like, Saved by the Bell. I can't remember how it went, but it went like that.

[Blake]

No. You want us to sing you the whole entire theme song like we. Jack and I can.

[Tyler]

No. No, I don't. I've heard you try to sing out of my head.

[Blake]

All right.

[Jack Posobiec]

When you wake up in the morning and you.

[Tyler]

But no, but culturally, I guess I think what really stood out, the reason that this went. And it got. We're currently at 73 million views on this tweet from Vivek. I think what stood out to people is it wasn't just. It was the fact that it was so locked into this 90s cultural thing. And I think what people pick up from it, it was almost this sense of. Honestly, the word that comes to mind is resentment. That there are people who are essentially. They're, like, angry that they weren't more popular in high school or something, and it's America's job writ large to be punished for this. And also this tone of, like, you watched Saved by the Bell, or your parents watched Saved by the bell 30 years ago, and as a result, America needs to have more H1B workers who will fill this or that job. And if you pause and think about that, that is completely insane and doesn't make any sense. But it's a type that you run into. You can see accounts like this where people will just overtly say, basically, we need to have more immigration because I am bitter and resentful towards you. There was this book that got profiled a few years ago in npr. It was called this Land Is Our Land, An Immigrant's Manifesto. And the author was an NYU journalism professor named Suketu Maeda. And he basically said, we need lots of immigration to America because the British colonized India. And basically, like, I'm angry about that. And this is a form of reparations. If you scratch at it, you can very easily run into this almost resentful attitude at ordinary Americans. And I think that is really what set people off with what they was saying. It's that you could pick up this thing of like, yeah, like, basically, why didn't we, you know, venerate people like me more when I was in high school? And that's a problem. And as part of it, he's also just indulging these weird myths because in real life, the jock versus nerd thing is not. Jack and I talked about this. The jock versus nerd thing is not really that real. I believe jocks, on average, actually, like high school athletes get better grades than other people do in college. Well, and that's, that's actually better grades than other kids in college.

[Jack Posobiec]

So there's. There's actually a plot line in Saved by the Bell that where the Zack Morris, who's essentially the main character of it, I think it's like towards the end of the run, because it's. He's. It's a senior year in high school and he takes the SATs, and it's, it's portrayed as kind of comedic, but he ends up getting like a 1500 on the SATs without even studying for it. So it's like, no, it, it actually does show things that can happen and that gets accepted to Yale and all this stuff. And it turns out that, no, as a matter of fact, there is high achievement and that's not necessarily tied towards per, you know, performing this specific set of way. Like, it's not an Excel spreadsheet, that you can be talented and you can be smart and also play sports, or like, you could play lacrosse or you could be track and field, you could play baseball, whatever. That doesn't. Like one doesn't negate the other. And this is kind of a strange sort of like very Hollywood imposed kind of identity archetype that, you know, we do then seek to use throughout society. But real life doesn't always match up with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now, now, just to steal man of a V's argument, for the record, I'm very much against H1BS and I think this tweet could have been worded differently. But don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying, and I'll start with Blake, that there has been this slow motion decline in the mediocrity, that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer gonna pursue excellence, that we're no longer gonna be the best at things anymore? Would you agree there's some truth in that, in the larger theme of what Vivek was trying to touch on here?

[Tyler]

Absolutely. I definitely think it's a big problem. And as conservatives, we've noted this over and over. Like there you know, a lot of liberalism is trying to convince people to accept failure and mediocrity. Oh, our cities are just supposed to not be well run. But what I will note is a lot of that is downstream of the same ideology that gives us massive amounts of immigration, which is, you know, the DEI agenda. It's like the H R ification of America. Like, why are we so okay. Why are we so okay with so much mediocrity? Well, one thing is we have grade inflation. Well, where's grade inflation coming from? So much of that is we're not able to handle the fact that different people have different amounts of talent. And this manifests in terms of people getting different grades, different test scores, and ultimately working in different jobs. And where have we seen this? Who's been most affected by this? Well, we know from the Harvard admissions lawsuit that went to the Supreme Court that probably the people who get discriminated against the most, we have a lot of East Asians and we just have ordinary, like nerdy white guys from Iowa or wherever who like engineering. Those people get massively discriminated against by colleges, by employers, by government for that matter. And so the DEI agenda, the same thing that says we have to have tons of immigration and we have to think, you know, that basically is going to vilify the historical population of America. That's the same ideology that's saying we need race based school admissions, we need race based hiring, we need to get rid of standardized tests because we don't like what standardized tests tell us. And I think the obvious downstream effect of that is you're getting jaded. People who aren't caring as much about success, they aren't getting the message that if I work hard, I will be rewarded. Because instead they're being told, if I work hard, I will still just be vilified for who I am. And preferences are going to be given to other people who work less hard, who have less ability because they're a politically favored group. And you can't just suddenly throw out that that happens and say, oh, well, no, we broke America's culture and the only way to fix it is we need just to have a bunch of H1Bs for, you know, my cousins from Bangalore.

[Blake]

I have a little bit of a thought crimey statement to make. I'm gonna be careful about how I say this so I don't end up, you know, causing everybody self harm. But it is that I actually think that the hypocrisy in the tweet is that Steve Urkel and Screech are both very American. They're not transplants, and they're not family members of transplants. They're not kids who are here on visa. They're not family members of first generation Americans. As far as we can tell, Screech is a very American nerd from Bayside High and Steve Urkel is. And they're both in love with very similar characters, which is really weird. Both named Lisa. So you have this whole situation. I actually think that by inviting in cultures that are outside of America, that are not integrated, you are actually displacing the Screeches and the Urkels of the world. And that's what's causing so much chaos, depression amongst young men and women, high school women, because they don't really have a place. And that's the whole point. And I actually think Nicole Shanahan's tweet that I think you retweeted Jack was so pertinent, which is like, hey, we should be really kicking the tires on Americans first. Who can do these jobs that can go into the STEM categories here. Should we not have the conversation about how many Americans we've displaced from high school and college that could be great, engineers that now are not? And then think about the societal effects. And I was saying this, and I won't be as cavalier about saying where I think that this has led to, but I think I'll just say straight up. I think part of the reason why we see so many trans kids and furries in high school and people who are socially displaced now from those friend groups. Think about it. In that very Saved by the Bell friend group, if all of a sudden you no longer have a Screech that has a place in that friend group. Right? Because you have people who are from various cultures that are now taking those spots. Because Screech's entire identity was becoming valedictory. Screech's entire identity was being good at school and being the nerd and doing all those things. That's really problematic from a cultural aspect. When you talk about. Yeah, we want to return to that. And to go back to Charlie's point, the Gen Xers want to go back to that. The Gen Xers want to think about high school. From, you know, fast times at Ridgemont High to through the time period of Saved by the Bell. That's the American that we want to return to. They want to return to. And part of this is the problem culturally. It's not just the fact that they're taking jobs, they're taking culture that seeps all the way down into the very element. That's what's so hypocritical about this entire thing that I think is kind of, I don't know, I want to say hypocritical. I don't think he was trying to be hypocritical. I think it's more of a curious point to this, is that those are Americans, those are American friend groups that are being destroyed. Those are American lessons and classes and identities that are being destroyed in this process and they should be looked at.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would even just go, I would go so far as to throw out that if you look and I'll even say, I don't think this is how Vivek meant it, but I will say that the problem with it is that it falls also, or I should say not the problem with it, but the reason that it made people so upset is that this falls into the exact same types of woke arguments that you hear as anti white culture, that they will say, oh, you know, the, the toxic white males fighting over a, you know, the cheerleader and the, the white student who goes on to become the valedictorian Victorian, like with Screech or, you know, and all the rest of it. You know, this is like quote unquote, what, what Joy Reid would call white America and say, oh, we're against all of this. And it's like, guys, this is just the type of stuff that we're trying to get back to in a place where, by the way, Saved by the Bell does, if you look at it as it turns out, have a, you know, fairly diverse cast, certainly for the early 90s. But also, nobody cares. Nobody's. There's no like, sit down episodes where we're going to be like, what is the ethnic background of AC Slater? Is, is Lisa Turtle? You know, like, where are her parents? Like, nobody cares. It's just everybody going through high school and being normal kids and going through it. You know, Charlie, you talk about this with your high school all the time, that it's like, it's like, yeah, you can have that stuff, but you don't need to make it your entire identity. That's what everyone in society does now. And it's just destroying everything. And that's why the tweet comes across as anti white culture too.

[Blake]

I got it wrong, by the way. It's Laura from Family Matters, not Lisa. Laura and Lisa.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, so Jack, Lisa is here by the bell.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Jack, then this, this only begs this then kind of goes into three or four different directions. This Was tweet was only one piece of a larger mosaic of chaos. What else was going on around this discussion? And where are we as of right now?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, so I mean, yeah, funny about. It's like Jack, do you plan to have a, do a podcast with Charlie about Saved by the Bell over Christmas break? And it's like, no. But here we are. This is really all about the H1B situation and that early on people are saying that and I guess there was this guy who was appointed to some AI position which isn't even like a real position, it's like an advisor thing. But people found comments of him saying there should be no cap on H1BS and that's what really pushed a lot of the MAGA base into high overdrive to say, wait a minute, President Trump campaigned in 2016 on ending the H1B immigration system because number one, it's not high skilled immigration, that's a lie. And number two, it's not immigration at all. It's this weird like indentured search servitude kind of system. And what I think got a lot of people really riled up is the fact that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and you know, sort of the tech bros, if you want to put it that way, they were throwing down hard saying you don't know what we're talking about. You don't know what this is all about. This is about the best and the brightest. You know, Elon has said over and over, we're going to lose, we're going to lose to China if we don't do this. We're going. Which it's interesting because of course China, as anyone knows, does not import foreign workers to do these types of things. They just invest in their own people or you know, like steal stuff from us that, you know, there are other way or Japan also by the same token is able to be in an absolute innovator without doing any of this stuff. And that there's this weird like, I don't, I don't know if you want to call it a bait and switch or a Martin Bailey that's going on where people are, you know, the tech bros side is saying like, oh, it's just the best and the brightest. It's just like, you know, the Einstein's, it's, you know, just the, you know, the, the von Brauns and Operation Paperclip has been talked about and it's like nobody's talking about that. Like, and so you know, Elon has posted another tweet saying maybe this is a helpful clarification. I'm referring to bringing in by legal immigration the top 0.1% of engineering talent island, which is like a huge difference from what everyone was talking about at first, because when you're talking about people that are at that level, we already have a visa category for that, and that's called the O visa. So Raheem Kassam, by the way, is is here on an O visa. And that's something where, yes, you do have to work for it. You have to show accomplishment. You have to show that you have received awards, membership and organizations, things like that. Look, there's but there's abuse in the osystem as well. But it's way, way different than this just flood of jobs that keeps the middle class out of these STEM fields and out of the tech sector and biotech as well. Like H1B is. And there's a slew of other issues here. It's, you know, H2B, there's J1. There's all sorts of things we could talk about. But the reason that this one has come UP is because H1B is a program that a lot of these tech firms really do rely on because it brings in the cheap labor.

[Blake]

Well, and Charlie, and another thing, and I'll just say this while on this, on this topic, hold it just for just one second, Blake. Here in Arizona, we have a company. I'm not gonna say the company's name, but the big company that brings in a lot of.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know, but I'm not gonna say it.

[Blake]

Yeah. I just don't want to get in trouble and, like, have to deal with people. But, like, but there's a company that has basically run roughshod over. This is part of the reason why Arizona is in the place where it's in today. And that's not because of the foreigners that are voting in our elections, although it is very clear that some municipalities are allowing foreigners to vote in our elections. But they have completely dismantled the culture of this given big city, large city in Arizona because they've brought in a ton of families. And this goes back to the cultural elements of it. So we no longer have, for example, there's unsustainable little league teams in certain areas because this culture has now invaded these neighborhoods. Right. And it's now. So you're talking about actual. You now have schools that are completely turned upside down because it changes the dynamics of the entire neighborhood and area. You now have different stores and shops. I'm not going to say anything that go into different. And again, and I'm not saying that there's not, you know, big cities. Arizona, Phoenix is a big city. So you're going to have different cultural pockets for sure. But we're talking about a one entity, one corporation that's a big multinational corporation has completely turned upside down the culture of this one city in basically the span of a decade. And this impacts politics. So now the politics of the entire city are different because people don't have homes and they. So now it's less conservative. You now have other companies that have come in like 10, 10 or 15 other companies that go back to Jack's point here with H1B visas where they're flooding jobs that are mid tier to really, you could argue, low paying jobs from international folks that are coming in that they're saying that we just need, we don't have enough. It's like Arizona State's the largest university in America. You don't have enough people that you can hire. Give me a break. This is the outcome that happens and it completely changes the dynamics of your entire community.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Tyler]

Well, so part of it is I think there are, you know, there's different universes of H1B and you think about where they come from in tech. I mean, some of these guys are very wealthy. They're a part of a literal global elite. And I think once you get High up enough into that sphere, you are a little detached from the life ordinary people live. Elon Musk, super talented person, has built some enormously successful things. But if you get down into the brass tacks of it, you could say Elon Musk is almost homeless. Does he even have a community that he lives in where he would have to reckon with the practical implications of extremely high levels of immigration from any place to it? Elon Musk is a guy where he gets fed up with California and he'll just, he'll just leave and he'll go to Texas and then he can go anywhere else he wants. He can basically be a true nomad. But ordinary people aren't like that. And also just a lot of H1B isn't like that. I've seen some interesting numbers. Like if you look at it, there's H1BS that are for US tech companies like Google, Facebook, Oracle. But then you can also look at what are the other companies that are getting it. We've had, if you look at H1B sponsors from 2013 to 2023 and you look at everywhere outside California, the number one sponsor is Infosys. They have almost 36,000 approved H1B visas. What is Infosys? Infosys is not SpaceX, it's not Tesla, it's not some advanced cutting edge medical research firm. It's an IT company. Infosys is an IT company and they're based in India. While we're at it, and they've had 36,000 H1B visas approved for the US and I believe like a majority of their overall employees in the US are just Indian H1B visas. So do we really not have the ability to fill IT jobs in the US? And even if the H1B people are slightly better at it, is it desirable to fill all of these jobs with H1BS? And I don't think there's much public discussion of this, but this is what people are seeing when they get set off by this, oh, we need more H1BS and all of them should specifically come from India is they've seen these operations where entire, you know, an entire company's department is actually just staffed with people from another country. And people are like, why do we need to staff any company, any department of a company with people who are not from here? And it's driven people up the wall. And I think if you're maybe Elon Musk, if you're, or if you're Jeff Bezos or if you're at one of These truly extremely cutting edge companies, they might be thinking in terms of who I hired for my genuinely cutting edge company, and they would assume I'm hiring the top handful, because they probably are hiring the top handful in their case. But this is a system that's let in hundreds of thousands of people, and most of them are not the absolute cutting edge. Most of them are rank and file employees in a major sector of the US Economy, where our priority should be. We think that that sector of the U.S. economy should primarily benefit Americans.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, is there enough brainpower to be able to staff our AI Manhattan Project domestically without having to go to foreign workers? Because they say no. The tech bros say there's not enough American brain power.

[Tyler]

Well, like I said, I think you could unleash a lot of America's brain power if you got rid of the stuff we actively do to sabotage us. We basically borderline use the DOJ and its civil rights division to make it illegal to focus entirely on merit in America. We actively egg on our companies and our schools and our government to not hire based on merit. We encourage them to have de facto, not public, but de facto quota systems based on race, based on sex, based on who knows what. I mean, we literally had the Department of Justice sued SpaceX for not hiring enough refugees, even though as a military contractor, they're really not supposed to hire non US citizens in the first place. But they're getting sued for not having enough refugees at SpaceX.

[Blake]

Blake. Blake. And so can I add to hold that thought, because it's not just the meritocracy of who they let in, but it's the meritocracy system that is our de facto college system, which is run like a socialist nightmare where they're incentivized to actually pump more useless degrees into the program instead of creating a meritocratic system around.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Tyler, you're on the Regent system. Explain how that works. International system.

[Blake]

I want Blake to keep going on his thing, but I just wanted to add in, to interject. It's also the fact that we don't prioritize even our engineering degrees. We say, oh, you know what? Oh, you want to. Let's create more social, democracy focused degree patterns. Because that way you get more money from the federal government because you have more students. So ASU is a great example of this, and I would love to have Michael Crowe, who has done this, come on the show. It's like in a real world, what you would do is you would set this aside and say, our business degrees are really great business. School, the degree is worth more, so we're going to charge a little bit more and we're going to give them the best resources that they possibly could have. Instead, what we have is all the degrees are all the same cost, so tuition is all the same whether or not you go get an underwater basket weaving degree or that we always use as the example, North African lesbian poetry. North African lesbian poetry. Or if you go get a degree in engineering or applied biosciences or whatever else it may be. In fact, oftentimes they'll actually. To your point, Blake, is they'll take the less capable person because of those quota systems into those systems. So it's a completely backwards operation that they have at the universities in America. Meanwhile, China's like killing children that don't fit into their Russia. This is what Russia was known for in the ussr, they would, they would force you your entire life to learn one skill. If and if you weren't good, they would just like, send you away and you'd never be seen again in Siberia.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, wrap it up here as we're running out of time.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I just. So to circle back, it's. If you want America to get the most out of its people, we should encourage our companies to get the most out of Americans. It's almost like we've. We've created a system where we tell companies it's basically illegal to focus on merit, but if you come out and say we just can't find anyone in the US who can do this and we have to go abroad, then we'll let you do it, almost because the powers that be are so pro. Great replacement, so pro immigration, that then we'll let you do it. Okay? We'll let you hire who you want to hire as long as they're not American, because then we can say it's for diversity or what have you, and that's how we'll do it. We're creating a sick system where we almost incentivize finding foreigners to do a job. And if we were just to say we should have a meritocratic revolution in America, throw out the HR parasites, throw out the DEI parasites, throw out that whole apparatus and say you're allowed to hire who you want to do the things you want to do and you don't have some BS quota to hit, I think you will suddenly find there is a huge amount of talent in America to go and tap. We went to the moon on a bunch of guys who went to Iowa State University to study aeronautics. All of our early astronauts were just these random dudes from Ohio. A lot of those dudes still exist and it's probably our most under exploited group of talented people. And to simply say that American culture is so rotten that that can't exist, I think is demented. I think we've done a lot of damage to America's culture with what liberals have done, but I think there's a lot we can draw on to revive that. And I don't think the solution is just this. You know, it's. I think Bill Kristol said this, where American culture is just so bad. We just need to import the people from abroad with better cultures. I think American culture has a pretty great legacy of success that we can draw on to revive our country, make it great again.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well said. We got a dash. Go Ducks. What do they say?

[Blake]

Forks up, forks up, horns down.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's going to be fun.

[Blake]

Forks up, horns down.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it'll be 60, 40. I think ASU is going to have a big, big presence there. Do you, don't you think?

[Blake]

I hope so. I mean there's a lot. I mean, I'll just say this. Shout out. I just, I know and love and want to believe Kenny Deliham's a great conservative. He's got to be.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think he's a winger.

[Blake]

He's got to be. He's got to be. And he's an incredible. That guy is an enigma. And we need more of that college football.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's okay. He's fine. He left Oregon, so.

[Blake]

But we need that college football. We need more of those type of guys that are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Anyone that leaves Oregon doesn't succeed. So we'll see.

[Blake]

We need crazy people willing to kick on site kicks before halftime. And byu. It's incredible.

[Charlie Kirk]

Keep committing thought crimes. Everybody. Have a wonderful new year. We'll see you guys in the new year. God bless. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Tyler]

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